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When Work Is Punished: The Tragedy Of America's Welfare State

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Exactly two years ago, some of the more politically biased progressive media outlets (who are quite adept at creating and taking down their own strawmen arguments, if not quite as adept at using an abacus, let alone a calculator) took offense at our article "In Entitlement America, The Head Of A Household Of Four Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000 A Year." In it we merely explained what has become the painful reality in America: for increasingly more it is now more lucrative - in the form of actual disposable income - to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work. This is graphically, and very painfully confirmed, in the below chart from Gary Alexander, Secretary of Public Welfare, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (a state best known for its broke capital Harrisburg). As quantitied, and explained by Alexander, "the single mom is better off earnings gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income & benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045."

We realize that this is a painful topic in a country in which the issue of welfare benefits, and cutting (or not) the spending side of the fiscal cliff, have become the two most sensitive social topics. Alas, none of that changes the matrix of incentives for most Americans who find themselves in a comparable situation: either being on the left side of minimum US wage, and relying on benefits, or move to the right side at far greater personal investment of work, and energy, and... have the same disposable income at the end of the day.

Naturally, the topic of wealth redistribution is paramount one now that America is entering the terminal phase of its out of control spending, and whose response to hike taxes in a globalized, easily fungible world, will merely force more of the uber-wealthy to find offshore tax jurisdictions, avoid US taxation altogether, and thus result to even lower budget revenues for the US. It explains why the cluelessly incompetent but supposedly impartial Congressional Budget Office just released a key paper titled "Share of Returns Filed by Low- and Moderate-Income Workers, by Marginal Tax Rate, Under 2012 Law" which carries a chart of disposable income by net income comparable to the one above.

But perhaps the scariest chart in the entire presentation is the following summarizing the unsustainable welfare burden on current taxpayers:

  • For every 1.65 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance
  • For every 1.25 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance or works for the government.

The punchline: 110 million privately employed workers; 88 million welfare recipients and government workers and rising rapidly.

And since nothing has changed in the past two years, and in fact the situation has gotten progressively (pardon the pun) worse, here is our conclusion on this topic from two years ago:

We have been writing for over a year, how the very top of America's social order steals from the middle class each and every day. Now we finally know that the very bottom of the entitlement food chain also makes out like a bandit compared to that idiot American who actually works and pays their taxes. One can only also hope that in addition to seeing their disposable income be eaten away by a kleptocratic entitlement state, that the disappearing middle class is also selling off its weaponry. Because if it isn't, and if it finally decides it has had enough, the outcome will not be surprising at all: it will be the same old that has occurred in virtually every revolution in the history of the world to date.

But for now, just stick head in sand, and pretend all is good. Self-deception is now the only thing left for the entire insolvent entitlement-addicted world.

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Full must read presentation: "Welfare's Failure and the Solution"

 

Some other thoughts on this topic: DOES IT PAY, AT THE MARGIN, TO WORK AND SAVE?

 


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Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Work ruins your life.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:22 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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"... for increasingly more in America, it is more lucrative to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work."  

This has been going on in social democratic Europe for decades.  Even in countries with alleged work ethics like Germany.


Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment fonestar
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I sense a 50% correction in the population of T-Bill bubble babies coming on...

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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This article should be titled, "Fuck You, That's Why!"

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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Exactly.  And in any bracket, if your taxes end up being 60% or higher when you combine income, sales, property taxes and other fees associated with government, who wants to work for 10 days and give 6 or more of those days of work to the government?

Some idiots propose a 90% income tax on the highest earners.  Who is going to work 10 days so that you can keep one days pay?

Time to tell the parasites to get off their dead fat 400# asses and get to work.  Time to tell single mommy that if you can't afford the 4 kids you have, you shouldnt be having a fifth.

If you are on a government program, you shouldn't get to vote.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:22 | Link to Comment Real Estate Geek
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If you are on a government program, you shouldn't get to vote.

+1, and I'll raise you one:

Here's a quick, easy, and relatively cheap way to get this country better positioned for the future, both financially and genetically. 

 Give a free iPhone / iPad and, say, $5,000 to anyone who: (i) is in the bottom 25% of the IQ distribution; (ii) is fertile; and (iii) is willing to be permanently sterilized. 

Participation would be purely voluntary. 

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 21:34 | Link to Comment my wag
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I'll raise you 1:

If you get govt contracts or work for companies that get govt contracts: NO VOTE

If you are an elected govt official: NO VOTE

If you process bonds or other monies for govt: NO VOTE

If you are married or family of any of the above: NO VOTE

 

How you like them apples?

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 03:49 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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How about everybody gets 100% sovereignty over their own person and property but not over anyone else or their property?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:02 | Link to Comment darteaus
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And, if the politicians can't balance the budget, they - and their immediate families - should pay an immediate 20% wealth tax.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:05 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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"If you are on a government program, you shouldn't get to vote."

This should include include defense contractors and people who work for bailed out banks.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment OutLookingIn
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Excuse me.

Lovta chat, but gotta go.

I gots to get me one o them Obama phones.   

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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Will work for food...not!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Will vote for food, phone, housing, energy, utilities, healthcare, education, and cash.

 

http://www.benefits.gov/

What type of benefits are you looking for?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Is there financial assistance for me to pay someone to wipe my arse for me? Surely that has to exist.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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...someone to wipe my arse for me?

Living Assistance

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Sweet...

Living assistance surely includes cooking, cleaning, etc. Are you telling me that signing up for this program means a chef, a janitor, and a professional arsewiper will assist me with my living? This welfare stuff sounds better and better each day.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:01 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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I do not know about a chef, a janitor, and a professional arsewiper, but I can absolutely guarantee a Community Organizer will be available to assist you come election time. 

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Ah, I was going to reply to your earlier comment of Environmental Sustainability / Conservation. That's a nice one to get free money for. I recycle my paper and plastic... that's worth $300 a month in welfare, right?

And I did think about the tax one... now I can't function for the rest of the day. Let's see here... take taxes from private sector employees, go into debt at the national level on the order of tens of trillion dollars, and give free money as negative income tax to welfare recepients...

p.s. how do you display images? There's a tiny little smiley gif that really needs to go in this post.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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And I did think about the tax one...

Consider how a house-trained dog will whine and beg to have its collar and leash put on.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment SMG
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This is all by design.  Sheep being herded and fattened for the slaughter.  It will painful to watch when the end comes.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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Hi, Gold Bitchez?

We, FSA MoFo's are coming for your gold. GRILLZ is a right!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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The illusion of political choice.

It's not complicated despite the government's and their Main Stream Media Propaganda Outlets' (whether Faux News Corps or msnBSc) best efforts at telling the sheeple otherwise:

 

If you're an honest, ethical person, who is running a productive business and playing "by the rules," and EVEN IF you are doing well (and that's a big if that depends on many factors, including skill, competency, what you do, make or provide, and yes, luck - timing isn't everything but it can be critical), you are getting a giant dildo shoved up your ass daily and deep, to compensate for the Deeply Captured, 100% corrupted political & judicial (same thing, really) puppets, who are doing everything in their power to see that more and more of your revenue, sweat, toil and labor is being sucked away to fuel the giant mammary gland that is paying for and subsidizing:

 

1)  The too-big-to-fail banking/Financial/Wall Street/Defense Contractor-Firm/Government Union (where 1 in 11 Americans works for federal, state or local gov't, NOT including "contractors) cocksuckers that not only don't create value or "wealth" that benefits society, but that suck away productivity and wealth with wealth destroying "products," financial or mechanical (think nuclear subs and defective wunderjet-fighters we don't even need, and think of ETFs and CDOs and other financial "products" that not only re-shuffle funds, due to TBTF politics, but suck it up and vaporize it);

 

and

 

2)  The do-nothing welfare class, that gets SNAP-EBT, Social Security, Social Disability Insurance (for injuries that are probably at least 50% fake), Medicare, Medicaid, taxpayer "benevolent" gifting of student loans to Everest University et al., extended UI, aid for this-that-and-the-other-things for filling out county department forms, etc. etc. etc.

 

Sell your soul and join either 1 or 2 above, or if you're still making money running an honest, productive business despite Deep Capture's best efforts to suck all the life out of you, see how long that lasts and run with it, or shrug and go back to essentials and self-sufficiency as a moral and practical stance against the deeply sick, corrupted, Roman-esque Empire rot we're living through, bitches.

 

p.s. - Prepare for the ultimate BOHICA-FUBAR if you're a person who works for revenue or owns a business that generates revenue and productive, society-beneficial services/products once the "new moar better" tax structure is implemented, because rest assured it will brutalize the actual producers that remain, while giving even more preferential treatment to the CronyKomradePlutocracyClass AND the welfare class, while reaming the remaining productive class even more thusly.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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"taxpayer "benevolent" gifting of student loans to Everest University et al"

Yes, how would Tylers chart look if you overlaid a full ride college education for a welfare baby or 2 or 4 look?  That is a huge expense that isn't even included in that chart.  Say $100k/kid for a 4 year education.  Have 2 kids, thats $200K.  Over 40 years thats $5k/year to add to welfare mommies income.  More kids?  No problem, thats even MOAR money for said welfare queen.  And thats not factoring in any kind of inflation.  The government will shield her from the effects of inflation, they will just pay the higher tuition costs.  Meanwhile, the couple making $150K/year won't get any freebies, and will have to pay for their kids college with after tax dollars that are depreciated every year by inflation.

Time to go Galt?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:42 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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I swear one day I'll wake up and the world will have reverted back to normal - where a man goes to work, keep the fruits of his labor and not worry about an IRS or some or Government scumbag letter in the mailbox demanding money. I've been waiting 15 years for these -uckers to die or be killed off in a crisis. I'm content to wait, but like many, there is a tremendous anger inside me. I think he's really pissed. And you know who "he" is. Hurricane Sandy was a warning, I do not believe in coincidence. Greg Hunter says we face a financial Noah's Ark of Biblical porportions. That will be interesting. Yes, grandkids, one day I woke up and the entire planet was broke. Except for the lucky few who stashed physical Gold and Silver. They were the new elite rich.  I'm dreaming right?

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:30 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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OT, but another piss&vinegar subject for me - Cuomo requested 42 billion USD and Bloomberg a separate 19 billion for New York State & City Sandy relief.

It only took them a few weeks to tabulate those highly accurate numbers that are reflective of actual damages, cuz' that's how they roll.

 

WHY NOT JUST MAKE IT AN EVEN TRILLION BENBERNAX FIATSKIS, BITCHES???

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I go John Galt as often as possible. I've fucked over a dozen of my employers over the past 30 years by up and quitting on them with no notice. I usually pick the busiest time of season to stick it to them.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 21:23 | Link to Comment Umh
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Giving Galt a bad name; that's what you're doing!

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 01:59 | Link to Comment John Skookum
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"I go John Galt"

"my employers"

Not clear on the concept I see.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment boogiedown
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sounds like you have a qualifying mental disability, so yes

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:08 | Link to Comment marathonman
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Welfare is the political stabilizer that greatly accelerates the theft of wealth via the central bank.  When properly understood it is a great invention for holders of government bonds.  It also lets you know when to trade out of your government bonds for hard assets when it all inevitably goes FUBAR.  When sovereign debt/GDP ratio goes north of 90% time to load up on hard assets cause you know the gig is up and the SHTF.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:33 | Link to Comment in the dark
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Is there a box that simply says " All of the Above" ?

 

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:03 | Link to Comment bigdumbnugly
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i love to work at nohting all dayyyyy

we be takin care of bizness every day

...and workin ovetime

yeow

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment IBelieveInMagic
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Now you understand the power of the reserve currency! 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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Fiat paper is the astroglide of socialist confiscation.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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I was unaware that people without jobs could get over $15k for daycare.

But hey, in government, that's a win-win. Destoying the home and the workforce at the same time!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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"Hi, we're from the government and we're here to babysit your kid."

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:32 | Link to Comment optimator
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And when he goes to school we'll feed him two meals, bus himto a nice school too.  At this rate it'll be cheaper to keep the kid 24 hours a day..

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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Once he gets out of school (functionally illiterate, unskilled and unemployable, with low IQ and low impulse control, steeped in a toxic culture glorifying violence) and commits a crime, we'll feed him 3 meals and indeed keep him 24 hours a day at a cost of $45,000 per year.

Of course the Prison Industrial Complex is happy about this arrangement, as are the Public Employees' Unions, and every lawyer and judge he will meet along the way. This dysfunctional cycle is truly institutionalized in the USSA today. The Plantation System gone federal.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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It's worse than you know:

In California, we pay upwards of $800.00 per kid per month, and the money goes directly to the daycare provider (with no payroll taxes whatsoever since it's contract labor).

Here's the rub: since there is a shortage of daycare providers in California; we pay the money to RELATIVES of the children. That's right; grandma/grandpa/aunt/uncle (usually welfare mother's new boyfriend) gets $800/month per kid to sit around with the kids while mom (allegedly) looks for work, gets her GED or flips burgers.

Here's the ugly part: there is no oversight in the daycare program. Grand jury estimates put the amount of fraud in the program north of 60% (either the kids aren't being watched, or the welfare mother isn't actually working/looking for work.

We are so screwed...

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:48 | Link to Comment darteaus
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That comment is RAYCYST!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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and also true. And thus a doubleplusungood thoughtcrime in our PC marxist collective.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment hapless
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We are so screwed...

Pussy = Profit Center

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:08 | Link to Comment centerline
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Previously for things going in, now for things coming out.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Abiotic Oil
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"If I just have another kid I'll qualify for a new free minivan and a new free house. And my oldest is almost old enough for her own Obamaphone.  Now all I need is another baby-daddy."

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:38 | Link to Comment Aloha
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Who's the kill-joy that seems to have a problem deciphering sarcasm today (thumbs down)? OR are there this many

progressive/marxists that frequent ZH?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:16 | Link to Comment U4 eee aaa
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and i'll bet you don't even need to be a US citizen to collect ;)

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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No hablo ingles hasta la vista.

Donde esta la biblioteca?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment darteaus
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That is so productive they may get in trouble with AFSCME!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment brady
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$15k? My wife looks for responsible parents when she enrolls children in her daycare. Apparently we've been leaving thousands of dollars on the table by not targetting bottom feeders. Looks like I get to tell her SHE was wrong tonight!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Grinder74
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Let your wife know I'm available for "services" since you'll be sleeping on the couch tonight.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:42 | Link to Comment reload
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QUITE SO - but it is often overlooked that large corporations which employ low skilled or unskilled labour are the major beneficiaries. Here in the UK for example emplaoyers can keep workers on (iirc) sub 24 hours per week, thus avoiding any obligation to sick pay / holiday pay / redundancy or pension contributions and hey presto: the tax payer makes up the difference to `a living wage` via the `working families tax credit` - which is a welfare payment by another name. The supermarkets, Tesco, Asda (walmart) Sainsbury, Morrison etc etc who are highly profitable are probably the biggest beneficiaries but there are many others, call centre operators etc.

A friend of my wifes recently quit her full time college lecturer job to take up a post as a 2 day a week classroom assistant - net difference in take home: Zero.

p.s -  great market calls / sentiment of late. Many thanks.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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There's no difference between college students and middle schoolers these days (with the exception of sex, drugs, alcohol, and $50k of undefaultable debt).

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment CrimsonAvenger
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In some places, the only difference is the debt. Those middle schoolers are getting biz-zay.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Augustus
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To state that "large corporations which employ low skilled or unskilled labour are the major beneficiaries" of childcare credits is poor analysis.

There are people who MUST have employment or they will otherwise starve.  Children or no children, these people must work to have income, no different than it has always been,  In earlier times the children were placed with elderly family members or with some stay at home neighbors who provided the attention for little direct payment.  Now the government is paying someone else to perform that service.

The large companies are not the beneficiaries as the workers must show up somewhere to get the cash.  Possibly the beneficiaries are those who were not compensated before.  However, the poor care offered by the paid services may be so poor that the net result is that government is spending and paying for a worse result.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment VisualCSharp
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When does government spend and pay for a better result?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
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Not to worry Crony Capitalist Uncle Warren has the answer (read the comments)

http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/11/27/warren-buffett-betrays-hs-fathers-memory-again/

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Blankenstein
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This tax dodger needs to shut his Dilly Bar hole.  Uncle Warren is one of the biggest Crony Capitalists.  He was all for the bailouts and made billions.  I guess he feels that he should always have a win-win situation because he is special, like his favorite Goldman Sux.  There are so many that qualify, but he is high on the list fighting for the spot of public enemy number one.  

 

Here is an excellent video someone posted yesterday.  They don't mention Warren, but I couldn't help but think about him when they are talking about the bailouts.  

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJVDTA0uHsA&feature=youtu.be

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:36 | Link to Comment Incubus
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I had this little thing called pride that stopped me from taking any welfare shit when I was unemployed.

 

I just couldn't imagine myself presenting a cashier with some welfare card, or whatever it is they use.  Some people have no shame.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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They cashed in their shame for "social justice." It's so much more... "empowering."

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment phyuckyiu
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Pride is for chumps. This is America bitchez!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:11 | Link to Comment brady
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I feel poor when I use a coupon.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:29 | Link to Comment bankerbackbacon
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Pharoah tier: Gold and Silver

Fat Cat tier: Fiat, bullshit financial instruments and market making

Slave tier: Coupons, Canadian tire money, Food stamps

 

:)

 

 

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Bob Sacamano
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"Shame" went out of style about 20 years ago.  It is a large part of the cultural problem in the US (and elsewhere).  Similarly "personal responsibility" is also out of style.  

Everyone is a victim.  Everyone is entitled.  Entitled victims are everywhere.   This culture will demand massive government (even more massive than its current enormity).  

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:34 | Link to Comment SILVERGEDDON
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" I see you are a mamber of the family Jackinoff. "

Folks, no problem here. It eliminates competition for the slippery slope of success.

 

Not enough room there for the few ambitious folks willing to scale the heights even with a lot of the contestants diverted by the prison of entitlement.

Stay independent. The sheeple are in for a rude awakening. 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment prains
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0,1%-1%  to the  99%   "CHECKmate"

 

 

 

 

BOHICA 2013 here it comes

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Chuck Norris
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Time to rewatch Mo Money with the Wayans where he so wisely states: "A Job Ain't Nothin' But Work"

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment overbet
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My friend told me yesterday that he kept getting telemarketing calls with automated voice message saying "Are you currently recieving government assistance for your electricity bill each month? If not press 1 to see if we can help you qualify" 

 

WTF

 

If you never seen this give it a read if you really want to get pissed off.

 

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/pressreleases?ContentRecor...

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment optimator
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I love work!!

I could sit for hours watching people do it.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:24 | Link to Comment U4 eee aaa
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boooooorrrrrrriiiiiing!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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The Bernanke should just funnel the QE $$$ to the unemployed to daytrade on some Schwab or E-Trade account.  Obama daytrade bucks.  

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:05 | Link to Comment q99x2
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I cannot afford to work and although I have lots more time to spend money I have adapted by going to college. I used to be unhappy because work was ruining my life not anymore. If you are an American you don't have to work and aren't expected to work. Rothschilds and Rockefellers are not going to let the revolution take place until they are ready and until then whose complaining.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:26 | Link to Comment AGuy
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"I cannot afford to work and although I have lots more time to spend money I have adapted by going to college."

<SARC>Skip the middle part! Just go from school and college straight to retirement. Why waste 40+ years of your life at a job you hate!</SARC>

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:18 | Link to Comment phyuckyiu
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"I cannot afford to work"

The post should have ended there.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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oops.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:08 | Link to Comment Chuck Walla
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Work ruins your life.

But it sure pays off for Progressives... until it doesn't.

FORWARD SOVIET!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:33 | Link to Comment meizu
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In a technologically advanced society, where more and more work are done by machines, there is simply not enough jobs for everyone.  In the not too distant future, 70% of the population will live on a welfare, only 10% of the population, who are either highly educated or have skills that cannot be automated by machines, will have jobs.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 04:00 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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In societies which do not ship cheap currency overseas for real products technology has historically increased the need for labor.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:19 | Link to Comment seek
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Reminds me of the bumper sticker: "Keep working, millions on welfare are depending on you."

The great reset can't come quickly enough.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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Reminds me of the bumper sticker: "Keep working, millions on welfare are depending on you."

Wow: I didn't know that Goldman, JPM, and BAC employed that many people!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment tickhound
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THAT welfare, as it pertains to this article, is considered "private sector." 

But you highlight just how skewed, and generous, the above statistics really are...

List the disproportionate amount of dollars redistributed to the financial and government support classes as "welfare", and the 1.65 to 1 becomes a wish.

Then we have those "private" industries and contractors sponging directly off the government teet.  The government contracted "private sector" in the DC area is just trickle down welfare... With "support waste" being distributed to entities like KPMG paid $millions for fancy accounting and bloated practices.  Anyone who has seen the "billing" knows this game. 

List all these small and large "private sector" entities and DCgov contractors as "works for the government" and the 1.25 to 1 becomes another wish. 

Just as the women making 29k, Fannie Mae is bOOOOOMING.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Work for walmart, you get paid and you are eligible for food stamps, best of both worlds.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:13 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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I'm sorry, whale watching is not a favorite pastime of mine. =\

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:09 | Link to Comment phyuckyiu
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OH SNAP!! I MEAN OH CALFRESH!!!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:25 | Link to Comment Sokhmate
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I take offense, unless you meant land whales.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:45 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Morons who shop at Walmart thing they're getting a great deal.

They are subsidizing that corporate welfare queen through tax increment financing, tax abatements and in the past, industrial revenue bonds...not to mention subsidizing food stamps and health care for the poorly paid employees...all the while the scum family in Bentonville make billions.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 04:02 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Walmart is the only place in town with unscented kitty litter. A 25 pound bag costs $3.65. I am bad.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Zap Powerz
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"The great reset can't come quickly enough."

It will come quickly enough and it will be excruciatingly painful too.

Western societies, the US in particular, are so broken and corrupt that the societies themselves are no longer capable of fixing themselves.

The slow march toward totalitarianism and wealth destruction has been going on for so long and at such a slow pace that not many have noticed and by the time they notice its too late to do anything about it (like now, for example).

Just think about how god aweful things are now compared to just 20 years ago with regard to debt, moral decay, illiteracy, illigetimacy, criminality, corruption etc.  If the American people are not completely pissed off now and marching on Washington with the proverbial pitch forks now then they never ever will be pissed off enough to fix their shitty country.

Nope, friends, the only thing that will fix this cluster fuck of a society we have is natural law.  Mother Nature is going to cull this herd soon and its going to hurt.

Have a great day.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:31 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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Look out with that cull the herd argument.

Idiots around here like Pants McPants will go nutz and tell you to start with yourself.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:14 | Link to Comment centerline
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Precisely.  Shit storm coming.  Enjoy today.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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The collective apathy (from a false presentation of reality from MSM, TPTB, etc.) is greater than the collective decay. When the opposite is true is when you will see the crumbling of our social structures.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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Don't be so pessimistic. We all know the answer to all our problems. All we have to do is gut Medicare and loot Social Security and everything will be fine.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:04 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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'Tis a tangled mess, to be sure.  Who doesn't know that the so-called system is broke?  All this article does is point out the obvious and stir up the already pissed responsible citizens.   No need for more shit stirring at this point.  Yeah, it's a mess.  Looks like your proposed reset is the only way out.  Congress sure as hell ain't gonna "fix" anything, especially as some of them don't see the defects.  It is those very conditions that keep them in office.  Whole lot more broke than just the welfare, taxation, etc. systems.  The election process is the starting point.   How 'bout term limits and an easier path for 3rd party participation?  Go to the root of the problem, not just treatment of the symptoms.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Reset is inevitable since the Government won't fix anything. I do think the calls for a Constitutional Convention, as dim as they sound now, will be heard very loudy after everything collapses in a giant mess. 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:58 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Does this apply to Ben Bernanke???  1792 Coinage Act

 

Penalty on debasing the coins.

 

Section 19.   And be it further enacted, That if any of the gold or silver coins which

        shall be struck or coined at the said mint shall be debased or made worse as to the 

                    proportion of the fine gold or fine silver therein contained, or shall be of less weight

 

                    or value than the same out to be pursuant to

 

                    the directions of this act, through the

 

                    default or with the connivance of any of the

 

                    officers or persons who shall be employed at

 

                    the said mint, for the purpose of profit or

 

                    gain, or otherwise with a fraudulent intent,

 

                    and if any of the said officers or persons

 

                    shall embezzle any of the metals which shall

 

                    at any time be committed to their charge for

 

                    the purpose of being coined, or any of the

 

                    coins which shall be struck or coined at the

 

                    said mint, every such officer or person who

 

                    shall commit any or either of the said

 

                    offenses, shall be deemed guilty of felony,

 

                    and shall suffer death.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:33 | Link to Comment AGuy
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" If the American people are not completely pissed off now and marching on Washington with the proverbial pitch forks now then they never ever will be pissed off enough to fix their shitty country."

Based upon the November election 95% of Americas are satified with the current system. If they voted for the DNC or the RNC they support the currency system. One wants to Tax/Spend/Borrow/War and increase entitlements, the other wants lower Taxes/Spend/Borrow/War and sustain entitelements. Neigther side is interested in fixing the systemic problems.

Its going to be a long time that Americans show up with Pitch forks, and they will only show up with Pitch Forks when the dollar has collapsed and they can no longer get thier entitlements.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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@Seek

Simple.

Create a dependent class and a working class and put them at each other's throat.

When do corporations ever turn down corporate welfare?  They don't.

You wanna destroy a people, kill 'em with kindness.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:26 | Link to Comment Mercury
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In it we merely explained what has become the painful reality in America: for increasingly more in America, it is more lucrative to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work.

Sit, do nothing, collect and vote.

 

The rest of you suckas can expect this:

Dear Taxpayer: 

Yesterday we had a meeting about your money. When you get home from work please read the enclosed 4000 page document which explains what we're going to do to you next.

                                                         -Uncle Sam

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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''Collect and Vote'' 2 Party 666 Borderless Global Crypto Fascism 

               Your first vote is ''on the money'' 

 

Ah, the goal of Nimrod, AKA Lucifer; put the image of the Great Seal with the name and number of a man (as a god) sealed to 666 in the right hand of all that accept and agreee with the mark of the beast, and give them a universal REAL ID account number to go with their personal bank account number in their forehead. 

The fact is, if you show up to work, or accept the gains of this market, all you are doing is committing an act of murder suicide. SO TAKE A GOOD LONG HARD LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND ASK YOUR DUSTY ASS THIS QUESTION, ''AM I THE BLACK HOLE?'' ...and when you find yourself at work, screwing the Whore of Babylon and aborting your own labor at the same time, YOU WILL CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE A SEALED HELL-BOUND WHORE OF BABYLON RIDING THE BEAST. 

...so if you are going to continue to ''chase the drangon'' and ride the Great Wal Mart of China, freemason based on eternal ''hopium'' injections from fallen angels and the Suicide Vampire Scuids, I have some bad news for you. You are sealed forever and you shall surely die because not only is your own judgment sealed upon you, but, this entire generation is going straight to Hell on Earth with you.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Mercury
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And...let me guess: God has chosen you to build an ark to house and save you and your family who, along with the innocent and ignorant beasts, are the only worthy souls remaining on this great earth?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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Building your own ark beats collecting welfare or being ridden by the whore of Babylon anyday.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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Mercury, I get your message, lol. The reason the words ''The Truth is not a choice'' came upon you is because, ''let me guess'', lmao, your boat don't float? Bla haa haa. Use your head their boy and smell the flower you are charged to deliver. 

Yes... brother, I'm just a messanger like you, but, I am compelled to labor the Harvest that is risen out of the flood and the fire of the Phoenix that is risen upon this generation. The number(s) of the beast is clear enough to see, as with the rider on the Black Horse now, we would not be on this page and witnessing the numbers message confirming the image if that was not the case. Mystery Babylon is not written on your forehead, you are ''knowing'' both good and evil. You are fallen in contempt or you are risen in agreement, not because the Truth is a choice. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPulElNl8Yk

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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...oops, that's Suicide Vampire Squids, lol, don't know why the ''c'' rose up and burnt that offer, and the ''edit'' time ''ended for me to be able to go back and correct the error. Hey, lol, now that is ''ironic''. What is it, 2012 or something? LMAO. Yeah, better hope these numbers don't go with the 2012 Aztec prophecy those Mason boys painted inside their Capitol ''Temple'', with old George Washington as a god inside the Capitol Dome, known as the womb of Isis. Now that would be ''ironic'' huh? Their dead man, or ''aborted'' image of God is to show up on 2112 and look like the President of the United States. Now that is weird. Lol. I wonder what the Antichrist looks like in the Book of Revelation, AKA the Bible? LMAO, maybe they match?  

P.S. It's ''time'' for their Temple tatoo 2112 Graffitti Bomb, but the invocation for their (g)od to enter the new Pharaoh, the host of Lucifer, AKA Mr. Down Arrow, is not sealed to the public until 1/21/13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHCY-1NkXao

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment pragmatic hobo
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it's pretty simple ... if a government can't pay for entitlements via way of tax receipt, then the entitlement has to get cut. It's not austerity. It's common sense.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:25 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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If by "entitlements" you are including corporate subsidies, bailouts, and unfunded wars, then yes, you are correct.  That which cannot be sustained, won't be, regardless of what any of us think or believe.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:05 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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Why do you have 9 downticks? Am I missing something?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:15 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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A psychological phenomenon, not unlike hysterical blindness.  There's a lot of hostility here towards the idea that big gummit money giveaways to rich guys are a bad thing.

Obviously, SMALL money giveaways to the poor (and especially poor MINORITIES) are a bad thing, but if it's trillions to protect banker bonuses and failing defense-contractors, it's rationalized as "free market capitalism."

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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In other words, cognative dissonance.  Many people rail against this fascist kleptocracy, then after careful reflection and examining the facts realize that they are in fact dependent on that government largresse.  See Tom's comment below.  America is in fact now more socialist/communist then Russia was pre-collapse.  The outcome will be no different.

I remain long black markets and anything that The Fed cannot devalue or steal.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:03 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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The empire will certainly end when the checks stop flowing, but it will be VERY different than the collapse of the Soviet Union. 

Americans have a romantic fascination with dying in a blaze of glory. 

Eastern Europe hasn't has much in common culturally with "the West" since the Catholic/Orthodox schism.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:46 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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The major difference is that Soviet Citizens knew their system was corrupt, broken and had at its heart a fear-driven paranoid core.

 

America? Not so much. Imagine the affront that will occur when the (invisible) hand is revealed.

 

(They also had a fully-formed grey economy, but now I'm stealing other people's ideas; Orlov's 5 stages and all)

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I got yer cognitive dissonance:

voting to enForce childbearing, and simultaneously voting to remove any assistance the precious baybee might need to survive.

right, Right Team?

it's all about the precious baybee BEFORE birth. . . or wait, is it about control and punishment??

hmm. . .

and if you want to argue abstinence, make the story fit the sperm donor, who is absolutely ignored in the equation.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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***if you want to argue abstinence, make the story fit the sperm donor***

 

Wait a minute. Are you challenging my right to ride bareback. How dare you!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I reckon you could ride bareback through your neighbourhood/town, and few here would do more than cheer your rights and riding skills.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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Trying to escape the image of the woman and the man risen in the mirror cannot be done by aborting yourself, but you will die trying. LMAO. Yeah, the new CNBC fiscal cliff dive motto ''Rise Above'', LMAO, they forgot to put ''Made In China'' next to those lofty words. How many people ''labored'' so they could buy that Black Friday lie with their own earning? LMAO. Hmmm, earnings in the black hole, wonder what that looks like? Maybe as dark as the womb where the little chinese girl was aborted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8qRBkGxZ14

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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Also, some on this board take a shoot the messenger approach for posters that have pissed them off in the past.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment nantucket
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because wars aren't paid for with cash on hand; and the fact that defense of the nation is a constitutionally defined legitimate function of the federal govt, while redistribtuion of wealth is not.  that's the something.

 

i don't support bailouts.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:32 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Where the fuck is America geographically asshole?  Now where exactly are the majority of our forces stationed again?

Don't bring that weak ass shit around here and talk about the constitution.  Where in the fucking constution does it say America must be the world's fucking police?  You weak little pussy, I'll take care of my security just fine you dumb fuck.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment viahj
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he didn't say that they supported the wars, you're just being your typical asshole self.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment CaptainObvious
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LawsofPhysics is absolutely correct in this.  The USSA has over 900 foreign bases that cost god knows how much, because it's all part of the black budget we simple taxpayers don't ever get to see.  The Constitution mentions defending our borders and maintaining a militia/army for that purpose.  It says nothing about empire building and murdering hapless brown peoples throughout the land.  Go back and reread the document.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 03:42 | Link to Comment Navymugsy
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They murder non-white people too as our government is all about equal opportunity.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment Zap Powerz
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Waging illegitimate wars for the MIC is not a legitimate function of the federal government because its redistribution of wealth from future generations TO the top .1% living now.

Im all for self defense, but blowing countries up all over the globe so a few dicks can make a shit ton of money seems immoral to me, but I could be wrong.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Incubus
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But when you need a perpetual war for a military-profit-machine that needs conflict, and you have religious nuts who'll fight for thousands of years, is it not a match made in heaven?

 

They need each other. Sheep just need purpose.  Manufacture purpose and send them to fight.

 

We're going to get our manufactured purpose soon enough.  And all of you will love it, too. 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:12 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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"manufacture purpose" is a very descriptive meme.

give 'em a belief system to defend, a flag to wave while playing with their guns - that's a culture that will work for you, eh.

hero-ick.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:23 | Link to Comment oddball
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Go Bears?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:09 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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    that defense of the nation

When was the last war the US engaged in that was defensive?

The War of 1812, maybe? 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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And how will the bankers and politicians carry on with their bonuses and cushy income, healthcare, and retirement if they aren't keeping the masses complacent with food stamps and welfare?

Riots aren't good for maintaining the kleptoligarchy, therefore the bread and circuses will NEVER be cut.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:09 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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If the bankers can park their wealth off shore, what makes you think that they can't park their asses off shore.

BTW if the USA government wanted to tap some of that wealth, I suspect a Caribbean island or two could be invaded by the Marines.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Could be, but if it's ethereal and digital, then it can probably be transferred quicker than boots can be on the ground...  not than any secret of that size would be kept from the money.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:33 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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If it's so simple, how come that's the exact opposite of what's happening?

The Bernank, that's why.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:39 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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End the fucking Fed.  There is a very real cost for capital.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment PGR88
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Indeed.  The FED is the first pillar of progressive plans for Gov't.  With out the ability to tax through inflation, debasement and ZIRP, the entitlement and welfare state would be completely impossible.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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Hah, common sense. You are one funny, little hobo. The 2012 election cycle sealed the deal. The strip-mining of the working middle class will continue by the oligarchs and the welfare class until there is no more wealth in the working middle class to stripmine. My take home pay just went down by $800 a month due to health insurance premium increases for 2013. In 8 or 9 months I start paying for my oldest son to attend college, which will literally take all of my non-food/utilities/tax/insurance income to avoid student loans.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:12 | Link to Comment EndTheMedia
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Word of advice. Stop wasting money on a worthless degree.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Easy for you to say. It's his kid that's gotta try to find a job in four years, and a bachelors degree is the new high school diploma, except now it costs two arms, two legs, and your life savings.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:48 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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Oh believe me, I've vetted his degree choices. He wants to major in either chemistry or physics. If he wanted to study Contemporary French Literature, that would have been fine, but he would have gone to community college.

BTW, my wife has a relative who not only majored in Contemporary French Literature but got a PhD in it ... from Harvard.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment babylon15
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There are no jobs for chemistry or physics majors.  70% of 2012 physics PhDs (YES, PhDs.  Not undergraduates) went on to do low paying post-doctoral work which pays about $15 an hour and is a TEMPORARY POSITION.  And it often requires moving to the middle of nowhere.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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"And it often requires moving to the middle of nowhere."

You say that like it's a bad thing...

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:07 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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ssshhhhhhhhh!!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:46 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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oops. sorry.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment CaptainObvious
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You'd be better off to send him to trade school, and once he is earning a living wage, then he can piss away his OWN money on a college degree if he so chooses.  Keep your fiat for yourself and use it to buy something useful for the upcoming collapse.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Gunsmith.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:20 | Link to Comment catacl1sm
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If he's not getting a degree in agriculture or husbandry then it's a waste to send him.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Agree with the sentiment, but those "degrees" are best done through apprenticeships from old school farmers.  The school of hard knocks is vastly better than any university.  School would probably give someone a better idea of the theory behind what they're doing (why X chemical causes Y plant to do Z), but it's really not necessary to have a theoretical understanding in order to be a successful farmer. 

I'd also add repairmen and vocational skills of virtually every sort to the list, e.g. HVAC, plumbing, mechanics, welding, etc.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:42 | Link to Comment OpenEyes
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MachoMan I don't think there are very many 'old school farmers' left anymore and even fewer opportunities for a young person starting out to become an 'old school farmer'.  The reality is corporate agri-business for the vast majority.  So, in that reality, I would encourage a young person to look at a technical degree in agriculture so that they might have a fruitful career working for one of those hideous agri-business conglomerates like Monsanto or Archer Daniels Midland etc. These companies normally have minimum educational requirements for any position above janitor and they will be where the jobs are.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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This is complete and total nonsense.  Does a corporation ride a tractor?  Dig spillways?  Disc the field?  There are a lot of old school farmers...  however, there are not a lot of replacements.  This provides an opportunity for enterprising lads.

People have to separate the owners of the land as well as those who own intellectual property rights on the seed...  from the people that actually work the soil and grow the crops.

Look at it this way, you have to pay to waste your time in school...  what if you agreed to tag along with a farmer for free as an apprentice?  Sure, some have children that are farmers too and are expected to take over the family business, but I'm confident you'll find someone to put you to work and give you an education.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Chaos_Theory
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Mechanical engineering and chemistry will always be of value, even in Bartertown.  Two big dogs weren't Farmer Ted and Rancher Rick; it was the Amazon military leader and the midget engineer/oversized down-syndrome muscle!

Note to self...study engineering, marry Amazon with mad ninja skills and a mohawk

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:12 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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It's good to have goals.  I think I'll set up a stable of window-licking retards and rent them out for transportation.  Sort of the Avis of the new era.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Oh, so you're going to head up the government workers?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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first go I read that as "goats" - they'll lick yer windows too, and you can rent them out to clear brush, etc.

soo many uses for goats. . .

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Just make sure the Amazon is not a guy before sealing the deal.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:15 | Link to Comment darteaus
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In the same boat.  All I hear from the Obamunnists is: "Shut up and work harder.  You owe me."

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