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When Work Is Punished: The Tragedy Of America's Welfare State

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Exactly two years ago, some of the more politically biased progressive media outlets (who are quite adept at creating and taking down their own strawmen arguments, if not quite as adept at using an abacus, let alone a calculator) took offense at our article "In Entitlement America, The Head Of A Household Of Four Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000 A Year." In it we merely explained what has become the painful reality in America: for increasingly more it is now more lucrative - in the form of actual disposable income - to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work. This is graphically, and very painfully confirmed, in the below chart from Gary Alexander, Secretary of Public Welfare, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (a state best known for its broke capital Harrisburg). As quantitied, and explained by Alexander, "the single mom is better off earnings gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income & benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045."

We realize that this is a painful topic in a country in which the issue of welfare benefits, and cutting (or not) the spending side of the fiscal cliff, have become the two most sensitive social topics. Alas, none of that changes the matrix of incentives for most Americans who find themselves in a comparable situation: either being on the left side of minimum US wage, and relying on benefits, or move to the right side at far greater personal investment of work, and energy, and... have the same disposable income at the end of the day.

Naturally, the topic of wealth redistribution is paramount one now that America is entering the terminal phase of its out of control spending, and whose response to hike taxes in a globalized, easily fungible world, will merely force more of the uber-wealthy to find offshore tax jurisdictions, avoid US taxation altogether, and thus result to even lower budget revenues for the US. It explains why the cluelessly incompetent but supposedly impartial Congressional Budget Office just released a key paper titled "Share of Returns Filed by Low- and Moderate-Income Workers, by Marginal Tax Rate, Under 2012 Law" which carries a chart of disposable income by net income comparable to the one above.

But perhaps the scariest chart in the entire presentation is the following summarizing the unsustainable welfare burden on current taxpayers:

  • For every 1.65 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance
  • For every 1.25 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance or works for the government.

The punchline: 110 million privately employed workers; 88 million welfare recipients and government workers and rising rapidly.

And since nothing has changed in the past two years, and in fact the situation has gotten progressively (pardon the pun) worse, here is our conclusion on this topic from two years ago:

We have been writing for over a year, how the very top of America's social order steals from the middle class each and every day. Now we finally know that the very bottom of the entitlement food chain also makes out like a bandit compared to that idiot American who actually works and pays their taxes. One can only also hope that in addition to seeing their disposable income be eaten away by a kleptocratic entitlement state, that the disappearing middle class is also selling off its weaponry. Because if it isn't, and if it finally decides it has had enough, the outcome will not be surprising at all: it will be the same old that has occurred in virtually every revolution in the history of the world to date.

But for now, just stick head in sand, and pretend all is good. Self-deception is now the only thing left for the entire insolvent entitlement-addicted world.

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Full must read presentation: "Welfare's Failure and the Solution"

 

Some other thoughts on this topic: DOES IT PAY, AT THE MARGIN, TO WORK AND SAVE?

 

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Tue, 11/27/2012 - 15:57 | 3015098 yogibear
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Politicians know it's a cheap way to buy votes.

With more and more people getting on the government tab it's a self-enforcing voter base. The FSA votes for those that offer more free stuff. 

EVentually everyone will be on the government payroll.

Presto-chango we have the Soviet Union. Socialism wins slowly.

Beating down capitalism one public union party-member at a time.

So when does the US celebrate May Day? Obama on the podium reviewing all the union party members marching?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:04 | 3015105 Waterfallsparkles
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Maybe they should take the children of the Welfare Moms and place them with families that can take care of them without the Government support.  That way it would not be an incentive to have children you cannot afford.  It would also be an incentive for the Women to work for a living for survival.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:05 | 3015125 yogibear
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Put them into day care where the young are trained to be socialist.  Just like the old communist day care.

Start young when molding socialist.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:17 | 3015107 Monedas
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Niggers have never been niggers .... even when they were slaves .... the white boss provided everything for them, the livestock and the crops .... they have atrophied under welfare .... but the working poor have fared much worse !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:42 | 3015236 jomama
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who pissed in your cheerios this morning?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:27 | 3015372 Colonial Intent
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Hamas probably, he's an israeli shrill.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:53 | 3015691 Monedas
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I think Hamas got their butts kicked so bad .... they pleaded for a truce .... that's why the IDF didn't have to invade .... it seems the rockets from Gaza have stopped .... for the meantime ?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:56 | 3015653 Monedas
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I'm just tired of smug bureaucrats practicing Tax Genocide on good people who try to make it working for their daily bread .... and not stealing from others !  The racial jargon I use is for effect .... to make a point .... after all .... we are the real niggers .... we own that word now .... we earned it .... it's ours, now .... those who work ! I'm retired .... but I did work in the private sector !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:54 | 3016299 spooz
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Oh, retired, huh? Now I get the...

ALZHEIMERS.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:00 | 3015112 SmoothCoolSmoke
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My son has a BS in Molecular Biology.  Hard core science.  Calculas and Orgranic Chemisty out the ass.  3.88 GPA.  Graduated with honors.  Got a job (after endless interviewing) at Johns Hopkins Hospital.  He works in one of their genetics research labs.  He makes a lousey $28.5K.  $28.5 K !!!!!

That, is a joke. He'd be better off on welfare + waiting tables for cash tip.

All these Republican wing-nuts bitch'n about people who do not work.  Why not find some real work for the people who apply themselves, work their asses off, and achieve something?  

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:22 | 3015174 Shell Game
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"All these Republican wing-nuts bitch'n about people who do not work.  Why not find some real work for the people who apply themselves, work their asses off, and achieve something?" 

Besides the self-contradictory content, think about it for a second.  What is the trajectory of a society that doesn't work?  What is the trajectory of a society that offers no real work?  See? You share some bitchin' with those 'wing-nuts'...

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:31 | 3015387 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Coprorate America bitches and moans ALL THE TIME that they cannot find enough hard science degree grads to fill all their needs.  Have you never heard them?   135 (135 !) people interviewed for the job my son got.  Is Corporate America living in a different country thatn the rest of us?  Or are they just greedy, lying, self-serving, mofos? You tell me.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:41 | 3015231 jomama
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i suggest you learn to read between the lines regarding your partisan illusion.

my reaction could be best described as someone who just voted for obama, then complains about the shitty job market, Wall St. CEOs wanting to cut more from the poor, and endless wars. 

this is simple cause and effect, and only requires looking at the root of the problem.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:08 | 3015118 Monedas
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Once mutilated and AIDS infected Africans kids are dumped on the American tax payers .... they never go back !  Mommy, look what I found in Afrika .... can I keep him ?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:52 | 3016296 spooz
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Future brownshirt thug...hired by the elites to beat down those who dare to defy.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:07 | 3015133 Venerability
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The "Welfare Problem" is the Welfare reaped by Hedge Fund Short Sellers and their groupies at the expense of everybody else in the country.

I'd bet that in the past few years, far more of America's wealth has disappeared into financial Dark Pools than has actually been spent on various "safety nets" for the poor.

In fact, we would have almost NO really poor people left in America, if the Shorts of various kinds - including Downsizers, Outsourcers, Derivatives Mongers, and Financial Engineers of all sorts had not been left unfettered to sell out their country and their fellow Americans.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:14 | 3015150 Monedas
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The problem started a long time ago .... hyennas and vultures scavenging on the roadkill of liberalism .... although, not a very attractive sight .... are opportunists in the death rattles of freedom .... the problem started a long time ago !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:51 | 3016294 spooz
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Your problem began at birth...morphing into a lemming-like follower of corporate media...death rattle of clear thought...ignorant, unthinking herd.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:38 | 3015223 Diesel Seven
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WTF? Is there a link to ZH from the Huff Post site?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:01 | 3015710 dapper_dan
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HAHAHAHAHA.  LOL. You made me spit my coffee up, and now I have to get up and get another cup  

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:11 | 3015146 Translator
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"Democrats reward failure and penalize success"

 

 

I've known it for years, but it seems many are very slow to catch on.......

 

 

Apparently, the same types who voted for Obama by casting their votes for Ron Paul

 

 

 

Only idiots still insist "bopth parties are the same", or "Romney is exactly the same as Obama"

 

 

 

You know who you are, and thanks to the internet, so do we!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:22 | 3015167 falak pema
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what success. 700 trillion tickets of undoubted success in private banksta world derivative soup all waiting to be put on the collective state's balance sheet? Is that the measure of true wealth creation? 

Is that your idea of magical successful formula?

The ratio of corporate US profit to salaried mass has never been higher, and the wealth pyramid never been more skewed.

Do you know how to count when you make that affirmation? 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:27 | 3015193 pherron2
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So you know who we are, big deal.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:40 | 3015228 CaptainObvious
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If Romney was better than Obama at governing, why doesn't Massachusetts have a giant surplus of cash? 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:08 | 3015550 crzyhun
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Hey, do you even know that Mass had a dem legislature when he was Gov there?? The dems have run great state into the bay! 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:25 | 3015359 Colonial Intent
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Hey David Lightman, your mum just called, she says to stop goofing around on that computer and empty the bins.

Joshua5

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:15 | 3015153 falak pema
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when work is punished, the tragedy of US oligarchy state; the most corrupt use of capital world malinvestment on a globalised mayhem scale. 

What is the crime of labour in this incredible rip-off of world 1%, short term, casino destructive capitalism?

When the elites turn  into rabid pitbulls and blame the victims for  being butt-bitten and complaining of their victimisation!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:22 | 3015175 Monedas
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Falak, you are the stage smoke in your own theatre of the absurd !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:24 | 3015182 falak pema
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no kidding there is no malinvestment in this world? Been long at ZH?

What have we learnt here apart from that ONE truth at this financial blogsite? 

Its ALL top down, not bottom up.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:23 | 3015181 docj
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Meanwhile... http://nation.foxnews.com/leftist-protesters/2012/11/27/naked-protesters...

You know, I'm beginning to think life in the FEMA camps won't be half-bad - if it separates me from morons like these, that is.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:26 | 3015191 MrBoompi
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We basically give $23 TRILLION of support to the banking system, yet we sit here and bitch about welfare for poor people?

WTF?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:38 | 3015222 Monedas
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This thread .... has posited for our consideration .... the possibility that the Welfare Poor are not the really poor .... the really poor are the working poor .... the car wash attendant .... the 7-11 graveyard clerk .... the jizz mopper at the porn shop .... the free lance internet programmer ?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:45 | 3016282 spooz
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Your inane comments...shitstream of consciousness...wheezing train of thought...drug addled brain perhaps?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:13 | 3015577 moroots
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It is possible to be outraged about both.  Recognizing that entitlements and welfare for the poor are damaging to the economy and the country's long-term prospects is not an endorsement of the financial ponzi known as the global banking syndicate. 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:30 | 3015194 Monedas
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Falak Baby ! You are the wind in the pants of a Roxy usher ! You're the top ! You're mayonaise, you're Goofy ! 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:30 | 3015202 mccoyspace
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"I may live badly, but at least I don't have to work to do it."

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:35 | 3015216 aerofan3
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You think you have problems in USA - check out UK - you couldn't make it up!!

 

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3234/muslim-polygamists-welfare-benefits

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:55 | 3015697 Shigure
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And don't forget that The Queen received £7 million over the last 10 years in EU income support - sorry - "agricultural subsidies"

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:17 | 3015220 Supernova Born
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If women were liable to the taxpayer for "child support" costs, as fathers are (if they have any money), this "cash for bastards" insanity would stop right quick.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 01:53 | 3016592 Cathartes Aura
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Sanctity of Life proposed Constitutional Amendment.

make up yer minds.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 03:34 | 3016661 Kobe Beef
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Keep kicking that strawman, Cathartes.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 17:10 | 3018456 Cathartes Aura
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I will if y'all will.

this topic that few will acknowledge is real, it's research-able, and could be a topic to discuss if anyone would care to.

but the demographic here does NOT care to, and yes, I'm boring with this - but I was also "boring" with the notion that folks should stop with the military "respect" story, and after months of downticks, I see some are agreed that sending their kids into the military, or encouraging other kids to do so, to fight on behalf of the corporations, might not be so respect-full.

so yeah, downvote me, or troll me, or whatever - I'm looking for a good argument as to why the Sanctity of Life proposed amendments can be considered ANYTHING but the desire for control of female reproduction, aka bodies. it would also be satisfying to find a few minds that can see the agenda that's been kept alive since RayGun, the baton passed from politician to politician, never dropped, always tweaked a bit, added to - and currently a flashing red light behind Paul Ryan's eyes.  if people are so set on voting, then maybe they can LOOK at the damage.

I'd like new labels too - not "libertarian" or "godly" or "just" or even a governments business in any shape or form - some critical thinking, that's all I'm after.  a few have approached the subject, but in the end, all I get are "but what about the BAYBEE" or "religious fervour" - and those aren't arguments that I can go near.  this is about basic rights to body sovereignty, something taken for granted by many here, and those same will shrug when another's liberty is threatened.

if you'd care to argue, see ya round.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:39 | 3015226 harami
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My parents were born into two poor families and worked their asses off to reach that elusive American Dream where they could do more than just survive.  My dad has two masters (I always forget in what, he works at FEMA so take a guess) while my mother is still plugging away at her bachelors after all these years. 

Between the two of them they have a combined total of 49 years serviced in the military.  My father retired E-9 and my mom hit twenty and said her goodbyes.  They now have a huge house in an upscale neighborhood and all the glamorous debt that goes along with it.  I guess growing up poor meant they had to give the finger to poverty by filling the house with expensive shit we didn't need (a 10k oak table from Belgium for instance) so they're successful in many ways I suppose.

But they're also barely into their 50s and they each have one foot in the grave and I can't help but wonder what the fuck the point was.  They may have been in the military but there are plenty of private sector jobs out there where hard working people quite literaly worked themselves to the bone and are so broken before the age of 60 they can barely get around.  Couple that with the horrendous amounts of debt we've been told for +50 years is normal and they're going to continue to work to sustain that lifestyle well into their early graves.

They tried to give me and my siblings better alternatives but unfortunately we were left in a similar predicament.  Our parents were too 'wealthy' for government assistance and didn't save any money for college (not that our self-entitled asses deserved it) so after all that time, all that hard work for a better life, presumably for us, their kids, we're back at square one.

There is nothing wrong with hard work and making your own way but the illusion we've been sold is that we deserve that car, that big house, all that nice shit to fill our houses with.  We grew up with it our entire lives so why not continue to enjoy it?  Debt is money!  You can 'own' (and by that I mean rent a house from the bank and pretend its yours) a house or two and easily maintain several credit cards that probably have a balance close your annual income if you want!

For those that don't even have that as an option the government trough is readily available and if you have half a brain and no morals (because morals are for stoooopid people that believe in Sky Gods after all) you can actively game the system and it is factored in that you're going to!  Take advantage of as much as you can, because after all, you deserve because you're American!

The system is so beyond broken it is upon all of us now to focus inwards to protect our own families as much as possible, stop blaming and judging others (Buddha said it best, hanging onto anger and hatred for someone is like holding a scalding hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else) and to strengthen the communities in which we live.  People are willingly jumping off the cliff to enjoy the ride while all the while being convinced to not look down at the impending realization that will come when they collide with reality. 

Have faith in God and Jesus Christ, but if reading that fills you with anger ask yourself is it worth holding onto those bitter emotions and who is it benefitting to do so.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:50 | 3015254 Helvetico
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My dad is on a federal pension and gets subsidized health insurance through the federal government, yet he's upset that black people somewhere might be getting food stamps. He loves Fox, which tells him greedy niggers are to blame, not incompetent white guys using tax dollars to pay for pacemakers and retinal replacement surgery.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:08 | 3015296 Monedas
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Although your dad is a government worker .... he seems more likeable than you !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:07 | 3015725 goodrich4bk
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He sounds like a friend of mine who just retired from the D.A,'s office at age 56 with a $200,000 annual pension with healthcare and COLA increases.  He rants that the State of California is going to hell because of Latinos.  He's moving to Nevada so that his consulting income is free of state sales tax.  But he wants to keep his million dollar Orinda home as a "vacation" home.  In other words, he's living off taxpayers like me for the next 30 years and defrauding the taxing authorities at the same time.

Oh, and he votes straight Republican.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:12 | 3015739 Monedas
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Your parents prospered working for the government .... we all can't work for the government .... that would be like everyone being drug dealers selling to each other .... it's not a real economy !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:55 | 3015251 Titus Flavius C...
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Reading the comments to the story from 2 years ago, I have decided, gentlemen, that "progressives" are hipper-than-thou, unremitting fatheads who will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.

When about half of what you earn already goes to federal, state and local taxes - you're already paying for the 'entitlements' of location.  The fucking problem fucking progressives fail to fucking grasp is that when you only know how to pay Paul by robbing Peter... eventually Peter's going to stop wanting to be a target - one way or another.

Decline and fall, bitches... and today's barbarian hordes are a rich tapestry of central bankers, government contractors, neocon think tanks, and fat chicks who wear tube tops.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:56 | 3015269 Helvetico
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What you fail to grasp is that the barbarian hordes will be unstoppable. They want all your pretty, shiny stuff, and they'll jam a gun in your mouth before you can tell them your political affiliation. And no, having your gun permit and all your NRA buddies with you won't make a bit of difference when you're dealing with a hardened ex-con. 

The USA: a good place to be from, but not to be in.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:56 | 3015270 Slightly Insane
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This is exactly why the system needs a "Complete Reset".  Those who cannot handle the absence of a "hand-out", will likely starve.  The "makers" are starting to "quit".  I see a "strike", and it won't be by the union militia.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:05 | 3015542 hawk nation
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You are right i just spoke to a client who sold all their real estate in chicago and have decided to opt out of doing any more business. this is the second client who has decided to retire for a spell

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:57 | 3015271 Colonial Intent
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Slightly O/T

Some Fuckers just nicked me motorbike from outside me house while i was on ZH, so i went looking for em and found it on the path by the canal 300 meters away being dragged by three chavs, the chavs just ran away when they saw me run towards them, didnt catch em tho.

(I must be getting old, LOL)

Not sayin they were definitely on welfare (dole as we call it in the UK) but they probably were.

Bikes ok just need to rewire it.

Rant over.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:32 | 3015394 blunderdog
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If you were 'Merkin, you coulda shot at 'em.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:42 | 3015419 Colonial Intent
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Scary thought.

 

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 02:06 | 3016603 Cathartes Aura
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your "rant" put me in mind of the Mike Leigh film Meantime. . . a young Gary Oldham playing a wanna-be skinhead, hanging out down the canals. . .

you'll most likely have seen it - but if you haven't, get it in for the long winter. . . hilarious, and certainly shows the cycles of "culture" as we revolve back to those "lifestyles"

glad you got yer bike back, sorted.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 06:08 | 3016737 Brixton Guns
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sounds like someones in denial over taking accountability for failing to protect his own shit.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 06:27 | 3016748 Colonial Intent
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Denial?

How exactly?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 16:57 | 3015273 lakecity55
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This is what happens when the State bcomes god.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:01 | 3015282 Monedas
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"The real Privileged Class .... who have the luxury of unhurried dignity and the smugness that comes with total security .... are the government workers and the welfare wards !" .... Monedas      1913-2013     Comedy Jihad Ponzi Of Plenty World Tour  

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:09 | 3015299 Dingleberry
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Any woman can make more than 60k per year......if she loses some inhibitions.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:11 | 3015300 mt paul
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MNST 

 

ate their twinkies today...

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:12 | 3015305 MedicalQuack
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Algorithms are taking over the world...great video here that explains...when do you cross the line of when an algorithms (aka business models and formulas) cross the line and instead of being a "utility" they are now a "menace" and futhermore who gets to control their use...

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2012/11/algorithms-are-taking-over.html

No pity on the banks as they designed it with greed and they knew it and took advantage of the consumers and created this.  When the arrays of data can no longer be queried to create realistic numbers, it all falls out the bottom.  Blankfein at Goldman has a lot of nerve last week. 

Now... Jamie Dimon to Congress...is the Dodd Frank Law working...Dimon:  I don't know...

Great documentary:  Quants, the Alchemists of Wall Street, they talk here and tell you about the fiction they add to business model formulas, can't get more blatant than this.  They keep doing it because we allow it, but again the formulas and the fiction is getting tight here...IT infrastructure of some type runs everything today. 

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.hk/2012/09/quants-alchemists-of-wall-street-v...

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:58 | 3015511 YearZero Institute
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Heheh. You guys are such fucking idiots. You rambling lonely right wing extremist cunts, clutching to your feeble memories, made up histories which never existed, blaming everything except yourselves for your failures.

You are the reason your lives are shit. You want different tax structures, different laws, different economics. You are no different to anyone else, cap in hand, demanding hand outs, subsidies for your useless lives.

I fucking love your despair.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 06:13 | 3016740 Brixton Guns
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Wow what a great comment.  You should send this to the editor who will likely wish to post this on the homepage.  The easiest most direct way to do this is to select all on your post, then hold Alt key down while hitting F4.  This will take you directly to the Editor's private chat where you can submit your post directly to Tyler.

Have a nice day!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 17:58 | 3015512 YearZero Institute
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Heheh. You guys are such fucking idiots. You rambling lonely right wing extremist cunts, clutching to your feeble memories, made up histories which never existed, blaming everything except yourselves for your failures.

You are the reason your lives are shit. You want different tax structures, different laws, different economics. You are no different to anyone else, cap in hand, demanding hand outs, subsidies for your useless lives.

I fucking love your despair.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:02 | 3015526 hawk nation
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Most of us just morn our loss of freedom and by your statement our countries loss of a moral compass

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 21:57 | 3016183 Monedas
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I smell your liberal compassion .... it stinks !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:02 | 3015529 waterhorse
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Ah, AEI.  How ever could I have guessed...

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:07 | 3015549 foodstampbarry
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Forward!!!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:10 | 3015562 hawk nation
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Whenever i read about government entitlements i am reminded of a phrase my priest used to repeat and that is "the road to hell is paved with godd intentions"

Anyone doubt based on this article that things will get very bad very quickly

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:26 | 3015609 FunkyOldGeezer
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If ZH was the official mouthpiece for the Tea Party I might understand this article being published here.

So, virtually no-one thinks wages are simply too low? Governments are not exactly well known for giving away more than they need to and welfare is normally meant to provide a standard of living just above subsistence level. The government is clearly saying what they think that level is, so yes, they're in effect saying that wages are generally too low.

Zero tax paying US companies have a LOT to answer for, no?

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:30 | 3015619 hawk nation
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Do the math you fucking idiot its a spending problem not a revenue problem

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:39 | 3016272 spooz
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Its both, shit for brains.  The low tax rates we've had for the last 20 years allowed the elites to accumulate vast stores of wealth, much shuffled into offshore accounts, while the average Joe's real wages decreased.  Not to mention the globalization issue, where big corporations make it hard for small businesses to stay competitive, while they hoard their cash overseas, waiting for our owned legislature to declare another tax holiday so they can bring it home to buy back shares and pay dividends to support stock prices. (They say its to create jobs, but they lied before, they'll lie again)  And then there are all the loopholes lobbyists inserted into our tax code, again to benefit elites, who can hire accountants to get their tax rate as low as possible.  Meanwhile, the average shmuck has no loophole to get around payroll taxes, state/local taxes, sales tax, excise tax, even though they are not earning a living wage.

The spending problem began with two unfunded wars and continues with military expenses for a bogus war on terror.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 21:39 | 3019144 Amagnonx
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"Zero tax paying US companies have a LOT to answer for, no?"

 

How the hell is making corporations or companies pay more tax going to make things better?  Seriously.  Taxes on businesses should be ZERO.  The reason is so obvious, so inescapable I absolutely cannot believe anyone is stupid enough to claim it as a solution.

 

If a producing company pays taxes, that comrpesses the margins - they become less competitive - they will make this up by increasing the prices of goods sold, cutting jobs or lowering salaries.

 

Explain to me how higher prices, less jobs and lower salries are a solution?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:05 | 3015719 Monedas
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Let's all go down to Social Services right now .... and see what we can get .... field research ?    We are the niggers now .... we own that word .... and can use it just as much as Richard Pryor ever did !  

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:38 | 3016271 spooz
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Do you look like an idiot too?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:06 | 3015722 woggie
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the beast is on the gobble
and all that matters is we're all headed for it's belly
http://youtu.be/ntmthFyaYzY

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:06 | 3015726 Crash2012
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Just think for one more second!

Obamacare will be SUBSIDIZING people making $90,000 a year in 2014!

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:09 | 3015730 batterycharged
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This bullshit gets dragged out every few years. And believe me, it's complete BULLSHIT.

Maybe you folks that eat this shit up are too far removed from poverty to know that welfare is pretty limited and not the giant handout that your simple minds create.

I make less than $18K per year, no paid vacation, no health care, no pension.

Based on this bullshit article, I should be rolling in gov't dollars, right?

I qualify for NOTHING. Not food stamps, not medicare, no housing subsidies, no federal tax credits. NADA.

Not only do I get zero gov't dollars, I am paying FICA, so while I have NO health care, I am paying so some retired rich fuck can have theirs.

Nothing is more disturbing than seeing some rich asshats hating on the poor. But I understand why it's done....CLASS WARFARE. I mean if the middle class are mad at the poor....they'll ignore Mitt Romney making $25 million/year and paying a lower tax rate than them.

My suggestion is, if it's such a good deal DO IT YOURSELF. No one is stopping you from quitting your job and living on subsistence. THen you can stop complaining about the poor, become one. OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP and be happy you're not poor.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:20 | 3015763 Monedas
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Government workers and welfare recipients are laughing at your predicament ! You sure drank the Kool Aid !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:09 | 3016210 spooz
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Clueless idiot.  Glazed over eyes, soaking up the corporate media, no need to check facts.  Sheeple.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:22 | 3015770 Monedas
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I don't believe you !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:07 | 3016206 spooz
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You obviously bought the propaganda spewed by the fascists hook, line and sinker.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:51 | 3015856 moroots
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"Maybe you folks that eat this shit up are too far removed from poverty to know that welfare is pretty limited and not the giant handout that your simple minds create."

Per the census bureau, in 2009 .gov made over $2 trillion in transfer payments.  

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0539.pdf

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 20:29 | 3015970 batterycharged
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Uh, did you read your own link?

Those payments are RETIREMENT (read SS) payments and maintenance payments, medicare/aid, unemployment,  veteran benefits, and federal aid for education.

Where was the part about food stamps and housing subsidies?

Seriously, someone point out where all this cash is. I can't even get food stamps.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 20:45 | 3016018 thomasincincy
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ask around. someone will give you 200 in ebt for 100 bucks. probably more and try to negotiate

and NO TAX! lol

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:04 | 3016200 spooz
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I doubt many are stupid enough to give away half their food subsidies.  They still have to eat, and will end up paying double. Idiot.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 21:37 | 3016144 Monedas
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The cash is walking around money and drug money and press release data to cover the enormity of the total benefit package ! You are obviously a troll !  Happy as a pig in mud with your $18K and paying FICA .... really ?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:06 | 3016204 spooz
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What the fuck are you talking about.  Simpleton.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:16 | 3016227 noname
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Amen correct

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 21:31 | 3019124 Amagnonx
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Why would be people be blaming poor people?  People dont chose to be poor - it is policy, taxation and regulation that creates poverty. 

 

However, taking money from those who are producing, and using it to paper over poverty and pretend it doesnt exist is extremely expensive.  The people who caused it would rather make the middle class pay for it - which is of course unjust.

 

If you are poor, then once again the reason is due to those are the top who are taking all the cream - dont blame the middle class who are victims also.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 20:44 | 3016019 uncle reggie
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Such bullshit! How about doing a side by side comparison with the welfare sucked up by corporations. It dwarfs what the peons get. This article is authored by those who are simply throwing out raw meat which many fools are eager to devour. Why? To keep the masses pitted against each other and pretend that lazy fucks are all to blame when in fact the real problem lies at the top of the food chain, not the bottom.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 21:25 | 3016058 thomasincincy
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and that's why it's called a welfare state. it's at the top and bottom. everyone in the middle feels the squeeze. you have to game the system and/or evade taxes to live or you're a chump

edit: as that old saying goes... "shit rolls down hill" it had to start somewhere so you're more so right

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 21:51 | 3016156 Monedas
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DAs retiring at 56 on $200K per year should be in jail .... someday it may be a firing squad !  The oppressors are as always .... the ruling class .... government workers and their paid off voters ! Workers of the world unite against your Socialist masters !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 21:18 | 3016106 IQ 101
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So Poverty is growing ? Poverty is the result of decreasing opportunity, jobs gone away, big government needys and all their licenses,permits, zoning and anal retentive paper pushing,people pillaging,pestilence propagating,producing nothing peasantry.

Darkness is the lack of light, it does not grow.light a candle.

Poverty is the lack of opportunity, build a Hot Dog cart.

But you can not because of 9 million government regulations push your cart down the road and sell your wares.

I would like to see a chart or 5 measuring the causes of poverty exclusive of fiat currency, for example, a chart demonstrating the negative effects on growth of government interference, from basic zoning laws to molesting citizens going about their free,peacefull business.

If these parasitic government fucks got it Half Way right they would be greeted cheerfully about town but are soon to become moving targets because they can not stop regulating and being the smart posh girl who got a job in an Orfice.

Poverty is not growing. Opportunity is receding.

 

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 21:53 | 3016171 noname
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I think we all know the system is broken,but do we let the 29,000 a year working mother,who has been left to fight on her own,in jobs that require her to spend most of her 29,000 on just basic needs,rot to death with her children or do we as a moral nation,with more money than God himself,give without argument something to help the less and IMO benefits us all.We have ways to do this but we get to bogged down on feeling sorry for ourselves,because someone needs the system and we cant handle the truth of this broken system.We have it and have had it for too many years so lets make it work to everyones benefit,it can be done.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:04 | 3016199 Monedas
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You didn't read it right .... her total benefit package is slightly more than the stiff making $69K !  Both are at around $57K net !

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 22:21 | 3016232 noname
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I read it right and I have no problem with it because I know the reasons why its needed.I lived it.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 21:56 | 3016180 Gimp
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Idily passing your time away in the grassland of hay...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqlsVZ1zxMk&feature=fvst

The welfare population does not give a SH*T what u think...they are comfortable numb..

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 23:08 | 3016326 Monedas
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It's really no mystery how Obama won when half the posters on a business blog have the nanny state state of mind ?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 23:49 | 3016436 spooz
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Who here voted for Obama?  Who here was stupid enough to think it would matter whether they punched D or R?  Oh, right...Alzheimers.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 05:54 | 3016731 Brixton Guns
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ok.  first go study up on hegelian dialectic then look up controlled opposition, finishing up your studies with vote fraud.

then maybe realize republicrat demopublican dont make a diff.

any way you slice it comes up AIPAC.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 06:02 | 3016692 Brixton Guns
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"Tyler isn't home right now."  [exit Marla stage left]

 

I read this article, and I am impressed by an image of a formerly-authentic and respected peer group of integrity attempting to uncover actual truth no matter how brutal the process hence the Fight Club theme, but it is but only a fleeting image as it splashes away revealing what I now see as a poorly executed ruse: proliferation of heady word strings accentuated by ego-driven "we told ya so"'s sprinkled with pungent gatekeeperdom, and dipped in a thick layer of intentional censorship, by not covering fundamental yet controversial issues which are taboo among all msm channels.  Then I see something shiny, and nothing else matters.

 

Soap, bitchez.

 

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 07:47 | 3016830 Shigure
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Masses of people on benefits is a symptom, the cause is fractional reserve banking.

To those calling for mass sterilisation, creating ghettos of benefit recipients, and work camps - my grandfather fought in the trenches against that sort of thing

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 21:55 | 3019175 Amagnonx
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I'm fairly stunned at the number of comments a post like this achieves, I would have thought it was completely uncontroversial - obviously I'm out of touch.

 

Taxation destroys the real economy, it doesnt matter how its spent.  The answer is not in trying to justify where the thieves might spend the loot, but rather that stealing from people with the threat of violence is just wrong, and if it becomes institutionalized leads to poverty and social distress.

 

The welfare money spent is an insult because if the tax had not been taken in the first place, those people would not generally need any welfare - because they would have have access to high paying employment, or their families would have enough income to support them.

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