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Doug Casey: The US Is Now The United (Police) State Of America

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Submitted by Doug Casey of Casey Research,

Louis: Doug, after conversations like the one we had last week, we often get letters from angry readers who accuse you of hating America, disloyalty, and perhaps even treason. These people don't know or understand what I do about you – that you love the idea that was America. It's the United State it has become for which you have nothing but contempt. Perhaps we should try to explain this to them?

Doug: I doubt it would work; it's a tough row to hoe, trying to explain things to people who are so set in their thinking that they truly and literally don't want to hear anything that might threaten their notions. A person who feels threatened by ideas and who responds with emotion is acting irrationally. How can we have a discussion with someone whose emotion trumps their reason? How do we even begin to untangle the thinking of people who will gather this week to give thanks for the bounty produced by freedom and hard work – the famous puritan work ethic – by eating a turkey bought with food stamps?

But we can outline the ideas, for the record.

Louis: I'll bring a copy if they ever do put you on trial for thoughtcrime – which is frighteningly close to being real these days and called treason to boot.

Doug: It's not just close; it's here. Just try telling an unapproved joke in a security line in an airport these days.

Louis: True enough. Where to begin?

Doug: At the beginning. America was founded as a confederation of independent countries – that's what a state is. Or was, in our language. The original United States of America was a confederation of countries that banded together for protection against larger and more powerful countries they feared might be hostile. This is not a disputed interpretation of history, but as solid a fact as the study of history produces – and yet a largely neglected one.

Louis: We did cover this ground briefly in our conversations on the Civil War and the Constitution.

Doug: So we did... the short version being that the US Constitution was essentially a coup; the delegates to what we now call the Constitutional Convention were not empowered to replace the existing government – only to improve upon the Articles of Confederation between the then-independent states. The framers of the Constitution drafted it with the notion of a national government already in place, but calmed fears of loss of state sovereignty by calling the new government the "United States of America" – a verbal sleight of hand that worked for over half a century. Then the southern states decided to exercise what these words imply, their right to leave the union. While slavery was and is a wholesale criminal activity I object to in every way possible, the southern states did have the right to secede, both legally and ethically. But the question was settled by force, not reason, and the wrong side won.

Louis: Another coup?

Doug: More like an exposure of the first one for the whole world to see. But by then it was way too late. Despite this, the relative freedom of the US – because it was for many years far freer than other countries – made it possible for artists, engineers, inventors, and businesspeople to flourish and create a society more wealthy and powerful than any the world had ever seen. This is what I call the idea of America – the America That Was.

But the seeds of destruction were already sown at the very beginning – with the Alien and Sedition Acts being perhaps the first highly visible step in the wrong direction. Then came the forceful assertion of one national government, with states reduced to administrative regions via the War of Southern Secession, from 1861-'65. I'm no fan of state governments, incidentally, but at least they're smaller and closer to their subjects than the federal government. Another major step in the wrong direction occurred with the Spanish-American War of 1898, where the US acquired an overseas empire by force. The next major step downhill was the creation of the Federal Reserve and the income tax, both in 1913, just in time for World War I. It took time for these things to make the system crash, because it was still a fairly free economy.

Louis: But crash it did in 1929…

Doug: Yes. And it led to the Great Depression of 1929-'46, which lasted so long entirely because of the unmitigated disaster of the New Deal (which we discussed recently). The New Deal injected socialist-fascist ideas into mainstream American thought like a poisonous acid, corrupting the heart of the idea of America that once made the place great. The process was completed with Lyndon Johnson's Great Society, which really established the basis of the welfare-warfare state. It truly set the stage for the total ethical, economic, social, political, and even military disaster now unfolding before our eyes.

Still, the beating heart of the idea of America – which is to say both social and economic freedom – took time to corrupt. Like a strong man who doesn't know he's headed for a heart attack, American culture didn't really peak until the 1950s. The bullet-finned 1959 Cadillac is a symbol of this peak, in my mind.

Louis: Then we had Johnson and his "guns and butter" policy – War in Vietnam and War on Poverty at the same time – followed by tricky Dick kicking the last leg out of under the stool by taking the dollar off an even theoretical gold standard.

Doug: Yes. Nixon was arguably even a worse president than Johnson, with the devaluation of the dollar in 1971 and his creation of the War on Drugs. Things have spiraled out of control since then. In The Casey Report, we've written reams about these last decades and how they led to and shaped what's happening now. But I have to say, the focus has been largely financial.

Louis: Which is as it should be, in a publication designed to help investors navigate these turbulent times.

Doug: Yes, but the corruption goes way beyond that, beyond even the senseless wars and idiotic foreign policy we discussed last week. America, once the land of the brave and the home of the free, is well on its way to becoming a police state – worse than any we've seen in the past, including the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

Louis: How could it get worse than that?

Doug: Because Big Brother has better technology now, allowing possible manipulation and control of the population that Stalin and Hitler never dreamed of. And because the US used to be such a great place, a lot of people have been tricked into believing it's the same as it was. But there's no more resemblance between the America of old and the US of today than there was between the Rome of the Republic and the Rome of the later emperors. Furthermore, most Americans have conflated the government with society. They're not only different things, but often antithetical.

Louis: I thought you said you're an optimist!

Doug: I am. But that's for the survivors who make it through the wringer the global economy – and every person on this planet – is about to go through. I keep telling you that the coming Greater Depression is going to be even worse than I think it is. You may think I'm joking, but I'm not. I do think that, primarily for reasons we discussed in our conversation on technology, what comes next will not only be even better than I imagine, it will be better than I can imagine… but first we have to go through the wringer. I see no way around it. I truly don't.

Louis: Okay, I know you believe that. Can you substantiate the police-state claim?

Doug: Well, rather than give you anecdotal evidence – of which there are masses more each day – let me refer to a rather perceptive blog post by a George Washington law professor named Jonathan Turley, titled 10 Reasons Why the US Is No Longer the Land of the Free. I'm sure I don't see everything the way the professor does, but the list struck me as quite accurate and very important for people to understand.

Louis: I'm sure I don't want to hear this, but okay, shoot.

Doug: [Chuckles] Maybe you don't, but I know you value the truth. These points underline something I've said for years: the Bill of Rights is a completely dead letter. It's essentially meaningless and rarely even gets the benefit of lip service. Quoting it will result in derision, if not arrest as a dangerous radical.

Frankly, I didn't think the civil liberties situation could get worse than it was under Cheney-Bush, but it has. Obama has repealed none of what they did – and added more. So, let's go through the list. First:

Assassination of US citizens: "President Obama has claimed, as President George W. Bush did before him, the right to order the killing of any citizen considered a terrorist or an abettor of terrorism."

Of course the very concept of terrorism is highly malleable, with over 100 definitions floating about – as we've discussed. But apart from that, it's now accepted that the president and his minions have the right to kill almost anyone. This conceit will get completely out of control after the next real or imagined major terrorist incident.

Louis: This reminds me of the extraordinary powers given to government agents to battle the War On Some Drugs – like the RICO statutes – which have now been turned against ordinary citizens who have nothing to do with the drug trade.

Doug: Exactly. Once you give the state a power – for whatever good reason you imagine it needs it – it will use that power for whatever those in charge feel is in their interests. And those in charge are never saints.

Next:

Indefinite detention: "Under the law signed last month, terrorism suspects are to be held by the military; the president also has the authority to indefinitely detain citizens accused of terrorism."

This was a precedent set by Guantánamo, where scores of the accused continue to rot without even a kangaroo-court trial.

Arbitrary justice: "The president now decides whether a person will receive a trial in the federal courts or in a military tribunal, a system that has been ridiculed around the world for lacking basic due process protections. Bush claimed this authority in 2001, and Obama has continued the practice."

As the government becomes more powerful, it's completely predictable that everything – including the justice system – will become ever more politicized. And government very rarely relinquishes a power it's gained. I particularly like the Supreme Court ruling in April 2012 that allows anyone who's arrested for anything – including littering or jaywalking – to be strip-searched.

Louis: Note to readers: you can't hear Doug's voice, but I assure you that his use of the word "like" is sarcastic.

Doug: Just so. Moving right along:

Warrantless searches: "The president may now order warrantless surveillance, including a new capability to force companies and organizations to turn over information on citizens' finances, communications and associations. Bush acquired this sweeping power under the Patriot Act in 2001, and in 2011, Obama extended the power, including searches of everything from business documents to library records."

Privacy is now a completely dead concept, from both a legal and a practical point of view. If you want to retain privacy, you now have no alternative to relocating outside the US.

Louis: Or any advanced Western country. I've read that there are more surveillance cameras per square mile in London than anywhere else.

Doug: I've heard that too. The opposite being true in rural Argentina is one of the things I like about it. Back to the list:

Secret evidence: "The government now routinely uses secret evidence to detain individuals and employs secret evidence in federal and military courts. It also forces the dismissal of cases against the United States by simply filing declarations that the cases would make the government reveal classified information that would harm national security…"

"National security" essentially amounts to nothing more than government security, which amounts to cover for the individuals in the government. Nazi Germany and the USSR were national-security states. As I've tried to explain in the past, once a critical mass is reached, it's impossible to reform a government. I believe we've reached that state in the US.

War crimes: "The world clamored for prosecutions of those responsible for waterboarding terrorism suspects during the Bush administration, but the Obama administration said in 2009 that it would not allow CIA employees to be investigated or prosecuted for such actions. This gutted not just treaty obligations but the Nuremberg principles of international law."

Torture by field operatives under the stress of combat is one thing; torture as official policy is something else again. But torture is now accepted in the US. Worse, there are far more serious war crimes than torture being committed in the name of the US that are going unpunished.

Louis: This is, after all, a far darker version of the same US government that deliberately infected black US citizens with syphilis just to see what would happen, and sent US citizens of Japanese descent to concentration camps during WWII.

Doug: Exactly. The next point is:

Secret court: "The government has increased its use of the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has expanded its secret warrants to include individuals deemed to be aiding or abetting hostile foreign governments or organizations. In 2011, Obama renewed these powers, including allowing secret searches of individuals who are not part of an identifiable terrorist group."

You no longer live in a free country when there's zero privacy for citizens, but 100% secrecy for the government and those it employs.

Immunity from judicial review: "Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration has successfully pushed for immunity for companies that assist in warrantless surveillance of citizens, blocking the ability of citizens to challenge the violation of privacy."

The government has outsourced some of its functions – not least the use of contractors in war zones. Increasingly, being associated with the government gives you a "get out of jail free" card. In the USSR they called this a "krisha" – a roof.

Continual monitoring of citizens: "The Obama administration has successfully defended its claim that it can use GPS devices to monitor every move of targeted citizens without securing any court order or review."

Bad as this is, it's just one example. There's also the use of domestic drones, and hundreds of thousands of cameras that take pictures of everyone everywhere.

Extraordinary renditions: "The government now has the ability to transfer both citizens and noncitizens to another country under a system known as extraordinary rendition, which has been denounced as using other countries, such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan, to torture suspects."

Yes, if someone is kidnapped, there's plausible deniability if the torturing is done abroad by a third party. And they're likely to have even fewer compunctions.

Louis: That's a pretty depressing list, Doug.

Doug: And this is just the beginning. As I've said before, I don't call the shots – just try to tell the truth as I see it. The point is that you couldn't assemble a list like this even 15 years ago. But now it's part of the firmament. Worse, it's going to grow. As the economy turns down over the next few years, the people – acting like scared chimpanzees – will ask the government to "do something." And it will. The trend is going hyperbolic.

Louis: I can't argue… and I agree it is not likely to be stopped. So if this is a sure trend, are there investment implications?

Doug: This just goes to reinforce what I've been saying for some time. As great as a US citizen's risk is in the marketplace these days, the greatest single risk to their wealth and health is the government. People simply must internationalize to diversify their political risk. I can't stress that strongly enough.

Louis: Would you go so far as to say that being a taxpayer in the US now is like being a Jew in Germany in the mid-1930s?

Doug: That's a good analogy. It's costly and upsetting to uproot, but the risk if you don't is unimaginably worse. And I would warn people in other countries to take the same precautions. All of these nation-states are dying dinosaurs that will cause a lot of damage as they thrash about in their death throes. No place is completely safe, but you improve your odds by not putting your eggs all in one basket.

Louis: Okay, I guess we've covered that plenty of times. Is there a "police-state play" – any investments one could make before the new Iron Curtain slams down? Handcuff manufacturers?

Doug: Nah – they have those plastic zip-binder things now; they're so cheap that I doubt the manufacturer can even make big money in volume. But I do remember a speech I attended in the '90s given by William Bennett, the ex-Drug Czar, who recommended investing in prisons. I excoriated him as a sociopath at that meeting – but he was right. However, that ship has sailed; it's hard to believe the US can incarcerate more than the current 2.3 million people. Besides, I find it morally offensive to capitalize on what I consider to be criminal enterprises. No, for now the only absolutely crystal-clear imperative is as above: You've got to have a Plan B ready in case you need to get out of Dodge – and you need it pronto.

And to those who celebrate Thanksgiving, I urge you to remember that it was hard work and the freedom to profit from it that created the bounty the pilgrims celebrated. It was this enterprising spirit and the liberty to exercise it that was the heart of the idea of the America That Was – the idea that made America great. Those corrupt politicians who have been undermining these values for so long and the willfully ignorant ideologues who support them are responsible for turning this country into the United (Police) State of America. They should be criticized and opposed at every opportunity.

Louis: Okay, Doug. Thanks for another challenging but enlightening conversation.

Doug: My pleasure.

 

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Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:09 | 3022685 Insideher Trading
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98% of black women disagree with you Doug.

Perhaps you're just racist.

oh, and the comment about buying a turkey with food stamps was off color and bigoted.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:23 | 3022688 Michaelwiseguy
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Not so fast Doug, your hopes and dreams are crashing down.

A person who feels threatened by ideas and who responds with emotion is acting irrationally. How can we have a discussion with someone whose emotion trumps their reason?

Government employees need Role Models. Here's the newest Role Model Sensation;

Here's how we did it Doug;

‘First Amendment Cop’ Becomes Internet Icon

Paul Joseph Watson Infowars.com November 29, 2012

“I am supposed to protect the Constitution,” says Deputy Sheriff Lenic

Deputy Sheriff Stan Lenic, the cop who stood up for the First Amendment by refusing to impede the free speech rights of activists at Albany International Airport, has become an Internet icon, with messages of support flooding in to the Albany County Sheriff’s Office and Lenic being honored with a commendation.

A video that has now gone viral on You Tube shows Lenic refusing to follow the demands of Albany Airport’s PR director Doug Myers in having activists Jason Bermas and Ashley Jessica identified, detained or removed for handing out flyers warning travelers about the dangers of airport body scanners as part of the Opt Out and Film campaign.

“Obviously this is your constitutional right, OK? As far as you’re concerned, you’re not breaking any laws. That’s what we want to get across to you guys,” Lenic told the activists, dismissing efforts by Myers to have the two kicked out of the airport.

 http://www.infowars.com/first-amendment-cop-becomes-internet-icon/

 

Illinois Police Recording Law Blocked By Supreme Court

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/illinois-police-recording_n_2191800.html 

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:37 | 3022721 JohnG
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Officer Lenic is a bona fide hero, and I cannot say that about most LEO's.  Albany Sherrif's Dept. is considering him for special commendation.

I think they should give him a medal.

I can't find an email for the Sherrif (Craig D. Apple, Sr.).

Here's a link:

http://albanycounty.com/sheriff/

Make a call.

 

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:43 | 3022734 Michaelwiseguy
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Deputy Stan can run for Sheriff some day and win easily. The Sheriff is the most powerful person in your county. This trend will sweep our entire country in every county in America and set it free again.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:51 | 3022743 JohnG
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We can hope, but that is a tall order friend.  Very tall.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 06:21 | 3023028 Kobe Beef
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It is one place the Liberty Movement can make drastic and immediate impact. You have to do more than hope. You have to organize and act. It's hardly a tall order.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 10:27 | 3023416 CH1
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We can hope, but that is a tall order friend.  Very tall.

Actually, John, they shouldn't hope. That's what keeps their chains in place.

"Don't worry, we just saw a tiny flicker of light - the system will magically fix itself! And save us from having to put our asses on the line! HOORAY!!!"

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:55 | 3022747 infinity8
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Lay off the meth, Michael. The Sheriff has been the most powerful person in a lot of (especially small) counties for a very long time and has not been a good "trend" in many cases. Elected like judges, nobody that isn't in or really had to deal with "the system" knows anything about.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:16 | 3022781 Michaelwiseguy
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Local offices like the Sheriff's Office are the offices most easily fixed by the people's vote. Lay off the childish sophomoric ad hominem insults infinity8.

And we just WON another biggie that grabs our country back from the tyrants and dictators.

Sen. Paul Declares Victory for Americans’ Right to Trial by Jury Passage of Feinstein-Lee amendment underlines Constitutional right against indefinite detention Nov 29, 2012

WASHINGTON, D.C. - This evening, the U.S. Senate voted on Amendment No. 3018 to the National Defense Authorization Act sponsored by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mike Lee (R-Utah), and co-sponsored by Sen. Rand Paul, which protects the rights prescribed to Americans in the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution with regard to indefinite detention and the right to a trial by jury.

The amendment passed, 67-29.

http://paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=645

112912 Sen. Rand Paul speaks in support of Feinstein-Lee amendment to NDAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Os5fEaT-vQ

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:35 | 3022813 infinity8
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"The people's vote" - you make me laugh now. Read my down-thread comment. I know a couple of good guys in law enforcement. They (among other factors) had a hand in forming my overall shitty opinion of the modern version of the "Justice System".

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 06:45 | 3023036 10mm
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Feinstein want's your guns.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:14 | 3022777 Ident 7777 economy
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" The Sheriff is the most powerful person in your county. ..."

 

I think the DA is going to disagree ... while the Sherriff may arrest, the DA prosecutes OR dismisses ...

This old saw makes its way 'round the internet every so often ... and still doesn't make it true.

 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:31 | 3022786 Michaelwiseguy
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If the DA violates a persons constitutional rights, the Sheriff fixes the problem.

That's why I have the Sheriff's phone number on my speed dial, especially if my local cops get out of control on me.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:20 | 3022793 infinity8
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The DA's are a bunch of shitty assholes too. There is no "Justice System", it's the "legal system" and most working, law-abiding folks are completely in the dark (and don't know and can't afford a decent LAWyer). It's all keeping track of the "wins".

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:40 | 3022820 Michaelwiseguy
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In my city, I helped get voted out every city council member, Mayor, and had the City Manager fired in the span of 4 years. I'll do it again if I have to.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:49 | 3022830 infinity8
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Do it - we need men (and women) of action. I just greened you. Don't stop what you're doing. I just don't think it's so easy for a lot of people. You gotta have time AND $$ to play that game - speaking as a normal, working, law-abiding citizen who never had any experience with "the system" til I was in my 40's except for a lot of speeding tickets, you might as well give up 6 mos. pay and throw a fucking dart at the yellow pages.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:55 | 3022834 Michaelwiseguy
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I lived in my city since 2004 and had two traffic tickets, stop sign & speeding since then. I took both to court, no lawyer, and won both. My driving record is still pristine.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 01:00 | 3022843 infinity8
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You got more down-time than me. Congrats.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 01:11 | 3022855 infinity8
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and, if you failed to stop or were speeding, and got busted, why not pay the fucking ticket? Get away clean is get away clean but, you get the ticket. . . you sound like a professional ass pain.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 02:04 | 3022906 Michaelwiseguy
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The customer is always right. Especially when there's no egregiousness involved.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 10:08 | 3023351 sessinpo
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I think sheriffs often answer to the Mayor in most cities that have the concentration of population. I may be corrected on that statement.  But my point is you may have counties with sparce population where the Sheriff has lots of power. But in cities, that isn't so. Sheriffs are most often tax collectors in cities until you reach the point where the cities is huge like NY city.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 12:40 | 3023936 Thisson
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The sheriff has many powers beyond "tax collection."  In particular, sheriffs are usually involved in the enforcement of legal proceedings: collecting on money judgments, garnishing wages, confiscating property for creditors, evicting tenants, etc.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 10:25 | 3023412 CH1
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Deputy Stan can run for Sheriff some day and win easily.

You want to ruin the poor guy? He does one good thing and you want to corrupt his soul by making him chief overseer?

Politics? Are you freeking nuts?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 01:25 | 3022870 RafterManFMJ
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Officer Lenic is a bona fide hero, and I cannot say that about most LEO's

 

He's a Hero for doing the job he's paid to do, and following his fucking oath? I'd say if that makes one a hero these days, we are in a world of shit!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 01:45 | 3022886 PersonalRespons...
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This seems staged to make airports seem safe.  They don't even need the body scanners anymore. There are new x-ray laser scanners that can scan a huge room from a tiny device mounted up on a wall to get the reading they need.  Just don't fly.  The lack of disclosure has almost proven it by default.

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/galleryh/id87.html

Just open your eyes and look up at a wall.  Who needs their retinas anway.  Cancer?  There'll be a cure any day now.

 

 

 

 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 08:55 | 3023169 TraderTimm
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You're correct that Genia Photonics is in talks with DHS about their CARS (Coherent anti-Stokes Raman Spectroscopy) equipment, however there seems to be very little detail about the actual range of these devices.

Instead of linking to some tripod.com page, here's the actual sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherent_anti-Stokes_Raman_spectroscopy

http://www.geniaphotonics.com/business-markets/defense-and-security/ds-c...

Under the "News" section of the Photonics website:

http://www.geniaphotonics.com/news/2012/03/genia-photonics-interview-wit...

http://www.geniaphotonics.com/news/2011/11/genia-photonics-is-mentionned...

It remains to be seen whether the effective range is "an entire airport" or merely a few meters. Anyone familiar with the operational capability of these detectors?

 

 

 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 02:20 | 3022917 Daily Bail
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Here are 2 GREAT clips on this subject.  Some of the best I've seen anywhere.

Both are worth seeing.

'Open Carry' Law Student Puts Cop In His Place

MUST SEE: 'Mind If I Violate Your 4th Amendment...'

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:26 | 3022800 Jreb
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Call me crazy but I think it was an exercise in irony. Nothing at all racist, biggotted or "off color" about it.

Sorry - but no thought police allowed here...

 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 02:22 | 3022918 ilovefreedom
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About which part? That Obama has eroded more rule of law than GWB ever did?

 

It's also interesting that you personally know 98% of black women, that must be quite a mailing list.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 02:58 | 3022934 AnAnonymous
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How could an 'american' manage to erode the rule of law? Rule of law under 'americanism' is always about selective application from the beginning.

'Americans' are mighty but how could they manage to erode the rule of law?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 04:34 | 3022963 Seer
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Nice attempt at sarcasm...

About Thanksgiving (http://www.infowars.com/the-real-story-of-thanksgiving/):

In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared “A Day Of Thanksgiving”

 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 07:03 | 3023058 Seer
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Perhaps a more even-handed assessment is this:

http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html

It claims that perhaps the number was closer to 300, and that it was the result of self-protection rather than intended all-out war/genocide.  Though I can see the reasoning here I still struggle to recognize this as being as innocent as it sounds given the simple question: who has the right to intrude on another's land and expect the other to not be hostile? the stage was set for this to occur; perhaps the "settlers" (isn't that a nice name/label/classification) were horribly naive, if so, then what of "ignorance is no defense?"  I see the very same setup in Afghanistan and Iraq.  If people came around to my land poking around and looking to take from it as though it is theirs, no matter what their real intent is, well...

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:14 | 3022691 Enslavethechild...
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Hey Doug - Blow Me!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 10:17 | 3023376 sessinpo
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You just asked a dude to blow you. You're the type of person I'd ask to eat this because I want to see if it was poisonous. And you'd agree to do it. The world needs cannon fodder like you for experiments so the rest of humanity can go on. This is a positive post for you as I just explained your existence.

 

BTW, I might agree with you. Doug is a dollar short and a day late on this post. The US has grown to a police state for years now. It's just done it in a fashion that people have gotten use to each new intrusion over time - conditioning. But what we need to solve problems is intelligent debate and decisive action. "Hey Doug, blow me" doesn't seem to add much.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:16 | 3022696 buzzsaw99
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...the wrong side won the civil war. lulz lulz lulz

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:18 | 3022703 DoChenRollingBearing
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Wait until the Utah Data Center is up & running...

Back to hand-delivered messages.  Or steganography.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:43 | 3022732 JohnG
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography_tools

Can be done with Sudoko puzzles as well.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:21 | 3022794 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

Nice link!

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:20 | 3022704 Zer0head
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two things

first check out Drudge amazing image of Timmay

second

by accident I clicked on cnn and up popped airhead but the video is apropos to PS America

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/bestoftv/2012/11/28/exp-erin-...

 

 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:19 | 3022788 lakecity55
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That's not Timmaay, it has to be a pic of the guy who shot up the movies in colorado.

 

maybe it's the same guy.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:29 | 3022714 A Lunatic
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Run away from my problems and hide myself or my money in the land of rainbow skittle shitting unicorns fatigue........

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:43 | 3022733 Doctor Who
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I agree with you.  However, I see his point  being that we are a nation sitting on our asses while this all plays out.  If you have a whole country willing to let this happen, what is the point in waiting to see what happens when the axe falls. It will probably be so horrific you won't want to be around.  If the majority is fed, housed and unwilling to provide for themselves, the next government won't be a return to our founding roots.  I'm just rambling here, but I don't see this headed in a good direction.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:15 | 3022778 A Lunatic
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Then all who have gone before died in vain. The sacrifices of old were for naught. Articles like this encourage fear of the government. Well fuck that. I am the the fucking government and I do not consent to be treated as a servant to a false master. The difference between me and those like Doug Casey is I've done my time in the fucking trenches and I do not fear losing all of my shit. My life is not defined by my country, wealth, or my profession. If people can't find anything worth fighting for in this country then good luck finding it anywhere else.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:27 | 3022803 Doctor Who
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I think there is plenty to fight for in this country.  Don't get me wrong. I'm not leaving.  I don't think abandoning America is the right answer.  I just can't ignore the laws being put in place by the highest up, that turn all of our countrymen into prisoners to be, on the whim of someone elected on a slim majority.  The country is split and unless the actual masses of people who depend on its laws come together as a whole, we will continue electing bi-polar polititians who drive any hope for a move forward into the ground.  We are at an impasse.   It is a place that this country should have never come to.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 07:06 | 3022972 Seer
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Yup... though I'll disagree that "I am the government," if it implies that this brings MORE power than a single human being ought have: I'll accept this statement if it means one is the governor of one's own life.

It's like this, people should be willing to fight for LIFE, for theirs and for those around them.  That's IT!

Really, why do we feel it necessary to bring in some umbrella, "country," "nation," "government" etc., as a cover?  These things make it EASIER to create enemies and to justify their (premature) extinction.  Labels make big, bright bullseyes; no labels results in people taking a bit of time to assess things, to better understand, to be LESS a product of propaganda (a servant of that propaganda, and it's controlling masters).

People complain that things are distorted in today's world and they fawn over days past as though those days weren't also the same as today- full of distortions.  The victors write the story.  The victors have been the same for hundreds of years now...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:17 | 3022785 New_Meat
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"...I see his point  being that we are a nation sitting on our asses while this all plays out."

OTOH: 2 + 2 = 4

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 01:04 | 3022848 Doctor Who
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We are on a list of 2+2=the whole world.  Buckle up.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:42 | 3022731 alfred b.
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    In the 1990's, Democracy in America was wounded....and died very early in the 21st century.   All that remains is the debauchery of the bankster ruling class.  

    Buy physical gold and silver!

 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 05:03 | 3022975 Seer
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Never such a thing...

History always seems to smell nice when you're not standing in the shit...

Debauchery has always existed.  The current excesses WILL cease, entropy assures it.

Invest in a future that better assures that you are not linked to those who wield controlling power: it's up to each individual to chart out their own course for this.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 10:24 | 3023411 sessinpo
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Nice post Seer. Up arrow for you.

 

And as for alfred b., democracy was wounded way before 1990. And if you really educate yourself truthfully, you'll realize even democracy is flawed from its beginnings. But every system is flawed. My only reason for pointing out that democracy is flawed is so that others might not see democracy is the solve all system.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:47 | 3022738 fourchan
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doug is my brother from another mother.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 23:59 | 3022751 Boxed Merlot
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Maybe I've missed it in the past, but on tonight's NFL football game in Atlanta, the halftime aerial photography is brought to the viewers by "America's Navy".  (As opposed to what,  "Canadian" or "South American"?) 

Is this the new Navy?  What happened to using commercial enterprises covering commercial activities?  How many jobs did they take by not using commercial private sector personnel to do the job?  Who paid for their services?  Are we that paranoid in this country that we can't trust each other to fly over our own land?

 

Just wonderin.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:07 | 3022759 CunnyFunt
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There is no division now between the state and private enterprise.

Anyway, America's Navy needs more cannon fodder.

"You're either wit' us or again' us."

Vorwärts!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 01:41 | 3022862 CunnyFunt
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And while I'm on my rant, I would like to recall the ideas of a Joe Sobran article I read in the '90s which described the income tax economy.

The summary is that there are three sentiments:

     NEED: the want of someone's wealth

     GREED: the want to keep one's wealth

     COMPASSION: the action of the politico who facilitates the transfer

Next, why does the term "business cycle" not appear as much as it used to? Does this have anything to do with the fact that it has been undeniably placed at the door of central banks?

Continuing, if tonight I posted a sign at the end of the driveway advertising "Black Jack, Cash Only, $1, $5 & $20 tables", I would be shut down and receive a summons almost immediately after sunrise. Meanwhile, XYZ gaming corporation donates six figures to the governor, key reps and the local yokel board and we have a state-sanctioned monopoly, enforced through police powers. Eminent domain will likely be used in multiple cases to secure the most desirable properties for all those "interested".

Don't kid yourselves, people, the threshold has been crossed, de facto fascism is here.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:27 | 3022801 New_Meat
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"Is this the new Navy? "

Yep, this is the new, trans-gendered navy that will have all kinds of social engineering goin' on.

King, Nimitz, Burke, Halsley, are turning in their graves.  Boorda has no comment.

How many jobs?  Why, these were .gov jobs, just doin' the jobs that they select out of the dreaded private sector that the illegals won't do.

- Ned

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 05:24 | 3022988 Seer
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I hope folks realize how well this conditioning works.

Pat TIllman might possibly have been taken out (the govt finally admitted that he was killed by friendly fire) because he was starting to turn against the propaganda campaign that was leveraging him to the hilt.  Consider that TIllman became an avid reader of Chomsky; consider what would happen if all those folks on the cannon-fodder construction conveyor belt were to start questioning things?

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2007/07/30/who-killed-pat-tillman/

Just how would any of you "small govt" people guard against this kind of thing happening (propaganda etc.) w/o also eliminating the military altogether?  I'm not seeing how things wouldn't creep, evolve, into just what we have now.  As Edward Bernays helped TPTB realize, govt might not need to be the main propaganda driver, that business could do it; and, as we see, many businesses profit off of war (the big powerful ones, ones that are almost guaranteed by the very notion of the US Constitution authorizing armies).  The true nature of the beast is visible- POWER, and POWER will ALWAYS seek to concentrate (if you give people power to HAVE power and NOT actually produce, be busy working (idle hands and all), then that means that others HAVE to pick up the slack and give these people some of their power.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:00 | 3022752 Bansters-in-my-...
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The American gov. sprays me with chemtrails every day....

YOU too....

They have not missed a day in at least 3 months now where i am.

Do you like being sprayed...???

Lets wake everyone up to this before it is too late...

Real nice goverment you got there.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 05:37 | 3022998 Seer
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How does the "gov" keep from spraying on itself?  How does one control air currents (through thousands of feet of atmosphere) to such precision as to avoid contact with only certain individuals?  I've got a bit of a meteorological background, which predisposes me to question this premise.  I'm serious about asking this question.  I believe that the only way to expose this claim is to be able to understand the mechanism by which the ill-affects are dodged by the select few (TPTB).

That govt is conspiring I have no doubt.  That they've thought about aerial dispersions of various toxic substances isn't in question.  That aerial dispersions have been used cannot be questioned (they most certainly have).  At some point the efficacy of such a mode/method needs to be questioned, and I'm not seeing aerial dispersement being controllable, being effective, otherwise we'd see it being deployed in the various "theatres" of war.

Govt had programs to see if they could control people through LSD.  This doesn't mean that all LSD producers since these programs took place have been agents of the govt, or that the govt is behind LSD in any way: I wouldn't dispute that govt leverages its existence in some way or another, ala a "Dark Alliance" (Gary Webb).

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 11:39 | 3023677 blunderdog
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How do you know the government's doing it?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:12 | 3022773 New_Meat
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"How can we have a discussion with someone whose emotion trumps their reason?"

Hmmmm, that leaves out a largish class of U.S. voters, don't cha' know.

- Ned

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 05:56 | 3023009 Seer
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Does someone have to be recognized as a legal voter in order to have a rational discussion?

It's the SYSTEM!  It never was meant to have an informed populace (despite all the platitudes spoken by the Founders).  And even if it was, the control for POWER would always result in such an imbalance.

Deception is foiled by reason.  Look around and you'll see that everything is built on deception (that's how ALL of nature works, so it should be no surprise that humans do it- we just deceive ourselves that we do not [we're caught in our own web of deception]).  I add the very idea/notion of "government" to exist in the field of vision.  I find that those clamoring for a "change" are only looking to alter the existing in such a way as to get a bit more, and that "bit more" is always in some way a "bit more" than others (because those "others" are <lazy, a different color, a different mindset, etc etc, the rationalization/justification/deception uses all kinds of things>.

Meanwhile Casey, and all the others who "manage," don't actually PRODUCE anything necessary for the fundamentals of life.  Just as I can spot reason in what he (and others) might say, I can also spot deception.  Face it: if we were all "smart" we would have NO use for him or anyone else who is a "manager," and that includes government.  So, again, slapping others as being lesser, when one him/herself doesn't actually produce anything essential, is rather hypocritical.  We've picked up a bad habit of throwing rocks in this here glass-house (virtual) world that we've locked ourselves in.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:16 | 3022782 TeddyBear
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I keep telling you that the coming Greater Depression is going to be even worse than I think it is. You may think

 

So Gold down.

 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:16 | 3022784 Seal
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They chafe impatiently at the least touch of authority and at length, as you know, they cease to care even for the laws, written or unwritten; they will have no one over them….such my friend,…is the fair and glorious beginning out of which springs tyranny.” pg 615, The Portable Plato

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:27 | 3022796 stormsailor
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We know, our Father, that at this desperate hour in world affairs, we need Thee. We need Thy strength, Thy guidance, Thy wisdom


There are problems far greater than any wisdom of man can solve. What shall our leaders do in such an hour?


May Thy wisdom and Thy power come upon the President of these United States, the Senates and Congressmen, to whom have been entrusted leadership. May the responsibility lie heavily on their hearts, until they are ready to acknowledge their helplessness and turn to Thee. Give to them the honesty, the courage, and the moral integrity to confess that they don’t know what to do. Only then can they lead us as a nation beyond human wisdom to Thee, who alone hast the answer.


Lead us to this high adventure. Remind us that a “mighty fortress is our God” – not a hiding place where we can escape for an easy life, but rather an arsenal of courage and strength – the mightiest of all, who will march beside us into the battle for righteousness and world brotherhood.


O our God, may we never recover from our feeling of helplessness and our need of Thee! In the strong name of Jesus, our Lord, we pray. Amen.-Reverend Peter Marshall

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 05:58 | 3023011 Seer
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Gott Mit Uns!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 00:49 | 3022831 uncle reggie
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 As great as a US citizen's risk is in the marketplace these days, the greatest single risk to their wealth and health is the government.

You forgot to finish off the sentence. It should read, As great as a US citizen's risk is in the marketplace these days, the greatest single risk to their wealth and health is the government which is owned and operated by corporate America. 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 01:05 | 3022849 Opinionated Ass
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I told my sister-in-law, "Taxes for government handouts are collected under the threat of jail at gunpoint. Are you ok with that?" She looked me in the eye and said, "Yes." I felt like she had just jammed a gun into my stomach.

This is what America has come to. The police state is the government Americans asked for to sustain the welfare state. It is the perfect vehicle for pillaging through fear and violence.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 06:08 | 3023018 Seer
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And what would you do if you had a contract in which someone refused to pay?  What if there was no government.

Not in defense of government, but one has to realize that it's not as superficial of an issue as you make it out to be.  All too often people are targeting one or more elements of "handouts" and not ALL.

Here's a test of the "ALL" that I'm referring to... Approach your sister and ask: "Taxes for government bailouts of corporations (I'm thinking banking and "defense" sectors, that's MY underlying bias for attack) are collected under the threat of jail at gunpoint. Are you OK with that?"  Report back on your results.

In conclusion, yes, I've always argued that I cannot find any way in which there could be some enforcement power vested in any entity other than myself that could kill others but not me (unless I controlled it! [TPTB]).  This is THE sticking point for why I am unwilling to accept the premise that a "small" govt can be made good, could be held in check.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 10:18 | 3023333 Opinionated Ass
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Walmart Arbitration Courts. MetLife Security and Enforcement Services. The profit motive would drive the best judges to rise to the top. If you were looking at a condo from a developer and he advertised "all disputes will be arbitrated by my brother Guido", you might not buy.

 

When you say "I cannot find any way"  other than what we've got, you're not using your imagination very well. What we've got doesn't make sense. If you and fifty families poplulated a new planet, would you argue that the Jones family should be given all the guns and a monopoly on violence to keep "law and order"?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 02:15 | 3022911 CABill
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A representative government used to protect us from mobs voting to give government more power to tax, more power to infringe on constitutional rights, more power for unreasonable search and seizure, and more power to mistakenly raid and kill us in our homes without repurcussion.  

Now the mobs are manipulated to change government into a totalitarian dictatorship.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 06:19 | 3023025 Seer
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"A representative government used to protect us from mobs voting to give government more power to tax, more power to infringe on constitutional rights, more power for unreasonable search and seizure, and more power to mistakenly raid and kill us in our homes without repurcussion. "

When was That?

It's ironic that we have both the problem of too much govt and too little representation.  Several years back the ratio of citizens (voting only?) to representatives was something like 435,000:1.  Would significantly reducing this ratio have any real affect?  Would it just end up that we'd have more Party heads lurking closer to our homes?

I'm thinking that this is all simply explained through my simple formula:

BIG = FAIL

And if there were no govt, big OR small, to "protect" us, then we'd have to protect ourselves.  The whole "voting" thing is really only deception, a cunning virus afflicted upon us by TPTB (just like the polio infested blankets handed out to Native North Americans, only it was a mental infestation rather than a physical one- mental programming keeps on giving generation to generation and is much less sightly to perform).

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 02:30 | 3022923 Joseph Jones
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Even after 150 of years of reflection the average person still holds to the lie that it was worth the lives of about 1m fellow citizens to maintain one USA rather than split the S from the N.  Abraham Lincoln attained God like status because he over saw the tortured murder of almost 1m humans. 

Tell me again how the world would spin off its axis if the S was allowed to annex?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 06:31 | 3023033 Seer
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As Power ALWAYS does, the "South" would have become its own fucked up entity/govt.  It's a good bet that had the "North" not done it that the slaves would have, would have struck back against their human captors.

In NO way am I defending the Federalists.  I'm just stating that it's easy to paint a wonderful ending (or projected ending) to a story line that did not happen, alternate universe thing and all...  I'm all FOR SMALLER (and there to be no central authority- no masters, no gods).

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 09:46 | 3023307 snaphooker
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Lincoln emancipated blacks and made us all slaves.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 02:47 | 3022929 are we there yet
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I have read that Most Internet Traffic is routed and archived in a Wister State I think it's Utah this blog itself is likely stored there. Maby It is good that technology gives new tools for the police, but it is very different from when I was a child. I hope we get our constitution back one day.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 07:12 | 3023063 Seer
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Technology is an enabler of speeding up time on the exponential curve.  It AIN'T going to turn out well; and, the Constitution was never endowed with any mechanism with which to deal with this (and, unfortunately for all the pro Constitution folks, likely helps contribute to the very problem).

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 07:30 | 3023079 overmedicatedun...
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everything man touches turns to shit...just an observation.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 03:29 | 3022943 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' piling on fabled past.

You know, 'americans' follow so often this pattern:

-'Americans' come up and tell they are going to report about facts (already a big sign as it is no longer 1777 and that the eternal 'american' nature is now well known)

-They think that debunking the cheap propaganda and fantasy of some other 'americans' will do it.

-As soon as it is done, they start to congregate around themselves by filling the gap with their own cheap propaganda/fantasy.
'Americanism' is all about submission. Every time one 'american' expresses himself, she will require submission to her fantasy/propaganda from the listeners. 'Americans' seem unable to produce any other sort of patterns. It is impressive. The group is all for 'americans' to such a degree it is baffling and probably unknown in any previous human eras. The 'american' age is the supreme rule of the group as it has never been experimented through before.

So this 'american' author states that he loves the idea of 'america'? Good for him because that idea has never changed a bit since the beginning of its implementation of the US.

______________________
with the Alien and Sedition Acts being perhaps the first highly visible step in the wrong direction
_________________________

Here's a manufacturing of the fabled past as so needed by 'americans'

The thesis of 'americans' as shown here is that 'america' went wrong along the way. Which is not of course as 'america' is the same as it was in 1776.

So this 'american' needs to manufacture a fabled past.

Now taking a factual look at 'america' in its US embodiement.

'America' is that thing that started by hijacking humanity, ascribing foul human rights to every human beings through the 'american' natural rights theory and only abolished slavery by accident.

Admitting that the US, while founding the cause of their existence on a supposed unalienable human rights like freedom, started as a slaver nation, forces to admit that the sedition and alien acts was nothing but a continuation of 'americanism' as it was supposed to be.

No devolution here, no degeneration here. The alien and sedition acts were natural consequences for an 'american' nation. This is the kind of stuff that one can expect from 'americans'

But admitting that would destroy the thesis that this 'american' author while loving the idea of 'america' is forced to intervene because something has changed around the way.

'Americanism' has always been about masquerading coercion for freedom, propaganda and fantasy for truth and injustice for justice.

No change since 1776, July, 4th.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 04:23 | 3022960 bunnyswanson
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Americans are who they are.  This ongoing persecution of the people who came here, while fleeing religious persecution, is an easy way to dismiss the creation of a functional society out of nothing.  Canadians did the same.  Spaniards as well.  It's just the way it is.  There are laws of the land and when it comes to survival, the strongest rules.  All is fair in love and war.  Deal with it.

At a time when those who arrived on this land, and labored with the barest essentials to far the land, create an infrasture (hospital/school/commerce) and build roads, homes, justice to keep lawlessness from interfering with progress, and protect the weaker in socidity - patients, the children, women and old folks.  That is quite an accomplishment. 

America is a land of opportunity, or was.  America was a place where one could come and live without fear of being persecuted for their believes.

John:  ..."they were trying to avoid the institutionalized religion of the British Empire. This included, among other things, people being taxed by the Anglican church, even if they didn't belong to it.

"the praise of affording a just securing to property, should be sparingly bestowed on a government which, however scrupulously guarding the possessions of individuals, does not protect them in the enjoyment and communication of their opinions, in which they have an equal, and in the estimation of some, a more valuable property.

More sparingly should this praise be allowed to a government, where a man's religious rights are violated by penalties, or fettered by tests, or taxed by a hierarchy. Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that, being a natural and unalienable right"
--James Madison; from 'Property' (1792)"

 

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110701104547AAKavjZ

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 03:43 | 3022946 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' have some other obsessions like naturalizing their cultural ways.

'Americanism' is human nature, the whole of it. It is not a cultural product.

'Americans', in their desesperate attempt to evade 'americanism' as it closes its jaws on them, reject the idea of culture.

And once again, shown by this 'american' author with his stance that slavery in the US would have died a natural death soon after 1880s.

It is so true that actually convict leasing developed so fast in the US as a substitute.

Slavery in the US suffered an accidental death.

When it comes to a thing, you can support it, wishing for it to develop and expand, you can favour a status quo or you want to diminish it up to elimination.

'Americans' while proclaiming themselves stalwart proponents of freedom managed the high deed on splitting themselves in one side that supported a status quo on slavery (the Union) and a side that supported the expansion and development of slavery (the Confederation) Not a small achievement.

Under these circumstances, natural death of slavery could have waited a long time, knowing that convict leasing was abolished in the US in the 1950s.

But as 'americans' wish for confusing culture and nature, 'americans' love to ascribe natural causes to things that happened due to cultural causes.

Fact is that slavery was abolished in the US and it is from that point easy game to claim that slavery would have disappeared naturally. It costs nothing to claim that since slavery was abolished in the US.

'Americanism' at work.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 06:51 | 3023048 BigJim
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Have you run out of Tibetan children to shoot, Han citizenism citizen?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 10:33 | 3023438 sessinpo
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Derranged liberal communist tend to abort their children, thus their only outlet is to spout drivel to others. AnAnonymous has been doing this for months. That is all they have in life since they don't value life itself. Spouting hatred and lies makes them feel better and important. But only breifly. We all see em for the clowns they are.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 03:43 | 3022947 BlackholeDivestment
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This post is one of the best posts, one among so many Zero Hedge has delivered with great care. The points of order defined within this discussion are perfectly describing facts at hand that speak to the heart of not only Americans, but everyone among all nations. We are all now faced with a mark in time, this time now upon this generation, where we all as individuals must deal with these grave facts now at hand, these grave facts that perfectly define the reality of the wine of wrath that has filled the cup bywhich all nations have been made to drink from. This is defining the prophetic strong delusion among all the nations and tongues, from the fiscal and economic to the religious reality of everyone including atheists. The facts at hand now point to the Writing On The Wall, because, this generation not only has the greatest access to information but, as a result, this generation has heard the revelation of God in Christ. It does not matter what foundation anyone bases their standing upon or if anyone disagrees with the image of God in Christ, the fact of the matter is this image is not out of order or in contempt of life, it is the revelation of the sustaining Mercy risen in agreement as the full law that is sustaining life. Everyone must agree with the law that perfectly provides mercy by proving it through their own life. We cannot stand in contempt by saying we agree with the principle of life and in order to defend that principle we would sacrifice life, liberty, freedom, independence and justice for all. We cannot stand out of order and in contempt and thereby escape the reality of that new world order which is death. Judgment shall fall upon everyone now risen in contempt, the proof for this defines the past. Take a look over that shoulder, through the window of time and see, everyone is dead. So it goes, with all the nations and tongues that are now risen in agreement with the image and act(s) of contempt now risen in disagreement with these sustaing principle(s) of Mercy and life. Noone needs to call it a conspiracy when the power of the nations depends on the willful act of killing people that agree with the sustaining law of mercy, it is a criminal act of murder that also declares the prophetic reality of the judgment that shall come, which is death. Life is not risen from that foundation and it shall never sustain anyone risen in agreement with death. 

The self evident reality of having mercy for your own life, in agreement with the law of mercy that is sustaining life, is the image of humanity looking in the mirror and witnessing the revelation that is risen. This is not the image in the reflecting pool in D.C., for instance, It is not the image over the President's shoulder, through the White House window. That is the design and work of masons who's image is death, not life. It is the reason why there was an Antimason political party risen in disagreement that rejected the offensive people that built their image of death and have mapped out their goal to be a global one, a new world order, without respect for mercy, without respect for the borders which are risen in agreement with mercy, through the law and the people that stand as the human border of mercy in defense against the foriegn and domestic threat that agrees with the same spirit and graven image apposed to mercy. 

It is clear to see the contempt risen in people and in any nation, as clear as the clock on the wall. It is not an act of treason to bare witness against the enemy of life, it is an act of treason not to. I agree with the spirit of what these writers have laid down and the facts that clearly point out where we are as human beings, within America, and all nations. Our best defense is to fear not, stand fast and do no harm, and with prejudice, remain risen in agreement with Mercy. If we do not do this now, then the builders of contempt will be successful and the whole world will reflect their goal. In case you missed it, their goal is not to sustain life, it is to secure their own image which is risen in contempt of mercy, which in the end is death, having willfully commited crimes and acts of murder in order to complete their mission. This has been done in every nation. Now, all people must rise in judgment and look through the eyes of mercy and ask, does this agree with life, liberty, freedom and justice for all, and if it does not, then now is the time to speak out against all enemies of mercy, be they in the name of a Nation, the United Nations, or any individual standing in contempt. It's time to not only rise up and speak the Truth, in the spirit of Mercy, but it is time to act in full agreement with the way of mercy. We need healing and we need it now. We cannot afford war. We cannot afford a tax that has no relation to our labor, and that tax is now a borderless market reality that is now sealed and that fact is a clear and present danger to all humanity. The leaders of the nations are not standing against this, they do not love the Truth and they are offering their own strong delusion. This is clear enough for anyone with ears to hear and eyes to see, but most importantly it is clear enough to feel in the heart. 

I do not have any hope that we will overcome the power of contempt that is reflected in the Middle East and in the market. I do know that everyone risen in agreement with the mercy of our Father in Christ will escape the judgment that is about to fall upon this generation. That escape is reflected and risen in the mirror and is the foundation of eternal life in agreement with the Cause bywhich we are now all risen.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 03:52 | 3022949 AnAnonymous
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The points of order defined within this discussion are perfectly describing facts at hand that speak to the heart of not only Americans, but everyone among all nations.
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That can easily be believed.

How could 'americans' manage without hijacking the whole of humanity?

And yes, by 'american' standards, this article is very good.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 04:26 | 3022961 BlackholeDivestment
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To your question, take a look at Americans and America, what do you see? Is it not evident that ''Americans'' reflect people of all nations and tongues as the point of order? Damn it Jim, I'm not a novelist, lol, just a country doctor. LMAO. Is ''America'' not a country that reflects the power and contempt of a government that has a great global affect just like cheap made in China goods? Lol. Is the American government not ''UNbecoming'', having lost the spirit of distinction and set laws in place that look like any socialist crime scene of a country? LMAO. Is America hijacking the whole of humanity or is the point of order within your question answerd this way, the whole of humanity that is UNbecoming has overcome America ...and the nations and tongues.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 07:21 | 3023070 Seer
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FAIL!

"Go forth and multiply" is where it all went wrong...  never were given a brake handle.  Exponential function would ALWAYS guarantee this outcome.  A design flaw, or a failure to intercede (so far, which seems kind of cruel).  Of course, if a "god" gave us another planet (ASAP), one with lots of resources to consume, then maybe humans could avert disaster for a while: if so, then the phrase "on earth as it is in heaven" is going to need revision.

Sadly, the only "tool" "given" us is to declare that "god is on our side" and commence paring down the numbers of the "other" side (which is also declaring that "god is on our side).  Seems like a poor solution as far as moral clarity is concerned.

You all keep try'n, ya hear?!

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 03:10 | 3025498 BlackholeDivestment
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Seer ''FAIL!'', that is your image in the mirror. Why do you use the words ''given'' ''design flaw'' ''failure to intercede'' as the accuser? Are you blinded by Mercy? ''You all keep try'n, ya hear?!'' is on the other side of life, and just as every Hell bound idiot like you, you STILL LACK CAUSE AND FOUNDATION, idiot. All you see is darkness, and that is all you have offered. Peace for you is death, ''Go forth and multiply'' defines that fact. You Just aborted life, your own existance, moron. That image does not agree with the Cause and Foundation for life and your existance, you pathetic dipshit. 

''You all keep try'n, ya hear(?)! ...to your question of hearing, Seer, did I hear you wrong? ...and to your offer, why would anyone like you even try? Why would anyone like you care about anyone ''interceding'' to preserve life when you have no cause or foundation and have rejected ''Go forth and multiply''? Is it not so dark where you are that you cannot see Seer? Obviously you do not see Seer risen in agreement with the Cause and Foundation defining agreement with eternal life. You do see the Seer as the Accuser of the sustaining Mercy, the intercession risen in agreement with God in Christ, Lucifer. 

Nice try asshole.

...give you a brake, LMAO, you are funny. You could not see a brake and your life (was)is depending on it. ''Planet Seer'', AKA Hell on Earth, um yeah, I can see those pyramids on the next planet you would have humanity destroy, asshole. Riiiight. You assholes just love to measure time by how long tempted and unsealed hosts last before destroying life on the planet. I can see the builders of ''Planet Seer'' have so great vision they would even construct their pyramids to measure the begining and end of time for destroying all flesh. You sick twisted bastards. 

P.S. ...well Dickhead, am I on the money? or are you? Your silence certainly matches your graven image. I will not be waiting forever, dipshit, your time is ending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZ5MoUXKgc

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 03:50 | 3022948 AnAnonymous
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Another funny thing. When reading this 'american' author, one might see an emerging trend among 'americans': stealth does not make the stealer richer.

Due to their situation (established 'americans' have stolen nearly all possible things), established 'americans' are in urge to demonize stealth by any means possible.

So you will hear uncanny thesis like the US did not grow richer thanks to slavery, or that the US would have been so much richer without slavery. Same will apply to the indian land transfer as 'americans' call it. The US would have been so much richer if they did not steal at all from the Indians or stealing the land from the Indians did not make US Americans richer etc...

Last point: all these funny things come from a rather old, highly educated, well off 'american', starting with a preamble that he was to think on facts. This 'american' is a poster child to illustrate the state 'americans' have put the thinking act into.

This guy has no excuse: he is experienced, he has received education, he is well off. He has no excuse to explain how weak his thinking ways are.

Save he is an 'american' of course.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 07:41 | 3023091 Seer
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You describe the disease but fail to properly identify it.

This is NOT the sole domain of "Americanism."  It's human nature, and one can find these things occurring over the course of human history.  The whole of "China" did not just spring into existence.  I very much doubt that everyone signed on to some comprehensive nationalistic treaty, as there are ALWAYS "recalcitrants."

No person, no group, can claim the absence of deception.

Just as I bias all my writing against GROWTH, you seem to bias all your writing against only ONE government*.

* Anyone claiming there's any unity within the US have never traveled throughout it.  I've been to major cities as well as backwater places as the Smokey Mountains- views on things are anything but the same, and, well, I thank our lucky stars (kind of a play on the flag theme, though I'm not a supporter of nationalistic stuff; trivia point- US has 50 stars on its flag, China only 4; more lucky starts in the US?).  Nature always does test the most powerful, and ALWAYS the most powerful is replaced: perhaps China will be the replacement? perhaps China will become the top deceiver? in that case I give an early "fuck Chinaism!"

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 05:10 | 3022981 Wakanda
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For a revolution to be successful there must be a transformation of both our inner and outer experiences.  If we do not re interpret what it means to be a human being, what emotions are for, what our unusual genetics are about, what our religions hint at but never fully explain, we cannot successfully transform our politics - how we interact in the outside world.

The Second American Revolution, from within and without.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 06:20 | 3023026 Sandmann
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Plato's Law of Revolutions is that one cannot occur without a split in the Ruling Class. That split is evident in the USA and the Federal Structure is becoming increasingly Unified States of America with a central authority building upon work started by Woodrow Wilson in WW1. The Power of the State was expanded in USA and UK dramatically to match that of Prussia just as the USSR was based on the World War One German Economic Dictatorship under Ludendorff.

The fact that Britain had a Liberal Government intent on war with Germany and the USA had a Democrat President keen to expand power led them both to copy the centralised authority and power of the Prussian State. In Russia's case the State collapsed and the Communists had to rebuilt it as a hyper-centralised structure which the West copied after 1950

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 06:20 | 3023027 Sandmann
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Plato's Law of Revolutions is that one cannot occur without a split in the Ruling Class. That split is evident in the USA and the Federal Structure is becoming increasingly Unified States of America with a central authority building upon work started by Woodrow Wilson in WW1. The Power of the State was expanded in USA and UK dramatically to match that of Prussia just as the USSR was based on the World War One German Economic Dictatorship under Ludendorff.

The fact that Britain had a Liberal Government intent on war with Germany and the USA had a Democrat President keen to expand power led them both to copy the centralised authority and power of the Prussian State. In Russia's case the State collapsed and the Communists had to rebuilt it as a hyper-centralised structure which the West copied after 1950

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 06:30 | 3023032 Wakanda
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Are you trying to say that you have no context or language for your inner reality?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 07:21 | 3023069 toomanyfakecons...
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Unlike every other facist police state in the history of facist police states, Americans are armed to the teeth. They fear us. From your local zoning board nazi and city council punk, on up to your power-mad state-level regulator and crony capitalist governor, and all the way up to the halls of the White House and Capitol Hill... make no mistake, they fear us.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 11:55 | 3023731 blunderdog
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Nice to see he remembers the recent history.

We see the elegance of the highly-polarized 2-party system.  The PREVIOUS administration opened the door to a lot of abuses we'd never anticipated--from warrantless surveillance to imprisonment without due process to institutionalized torture to the murder of citizens.

Now, the CURRENT adminstration, elected partly due to PR backlash against the previous administration, comes to power and formalizes all the same abuses committed by the previous administration, but because the individuals who were outspoken against the abuses before "support" this new President, they are able to ignore the same policies as now practiced.

The supporters of the previous administration now find that they have no credibility when complaining about the current abuses because they didn't raise the same objections when it was "their guy" in power.

It's obviously very difficult to escape institutional encroachment of illegitimate power in this environment.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 12:54 | 3023984 BlackSunshine
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I'm so tired of my fellow "Americans" thinking that the United States of America of today roots back to the Continental Congress of 1776 or there abouts. No, today's America is a result of the civil war of the 1860, in which the United States went from a loose collection of states to a country, united under threat of force and violence of the Federal government in Washington, D.C. I like Ron Paul, but any American historian would agree that the civil war is a major defining moment in American history, and is basically equivalent to the Christian's "New Testament" relative to the "Old Testament".

My point is that all the talk about restoring America back to the original intent of the founding father's idea is tantamount to saying "bring back slavery" and "remove women's right to vote" and "states can still 'leave' the union" and other such idealogy that has long since been settled as anachronistic.

For real analysis, we should speed up to 1913, the establishment of the 3rd Federal Reserve Bank of the United States. Citizen rights that had been eroded to that point have no real chance of being restored. A political movement representing such principles is non-existent. No political movement exists to restore the United States back to 1912, 1859, or 1776.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 19:43 | 3025434 woggie
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the beast is on the gobble
and all that matters is we're all headed for it's belly
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