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Cliff-On Or Off As Obama And Boehner Take Turns Again - Live Webcasts

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S&P 500 futures are at 1412 as our leaders address the nation (or each other)...


Obama's Approach...


Boehner's Rebuttal...


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Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:07 | 3024017 vast-dom
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clap sheeple muppets, clap.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:08 | 3024025 PUD
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The Obama zombie clap

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:10 | 3024036 ACP
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It's all pops & buzzes from here.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:36 | 3024114 Popo
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Oh please, it's "Cliff Off".   Who are they kidding?   The whole thing is political theater.   In order to believe that it's "Cliff On" you have to pretend that the Republican party is the party of "fiscal responsibility" like it says in their propaganda.    Everyone knows that the US has one-party rule that comes in two mildly-different flavors.   The Republicans are no more able to spend responsibly than Obozo.   They'll talk about "making cuts" for a while, just to give everyone the idea that there's an ideological difference between the parties, but in the end they'll fold like a cheap suit because both parties are filled with spend-happy political whores.  

Save yourself the anticipation.  It's "cliff off".  Both parties can't wait to resume spending money they don't have.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:29 | 3024307 caconhma
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I am surprised that ZeroHedge and its readers are even talking about "Cliff Off".

It is a Kabuki theater. At the end, the Congress will cut government expenditure in 2025 and, in a mean time, FED will print more funny money. It is all. There is no any mystery. The ending is well known in advance.


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:58 | 3024400 twinsdad
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Look into Modern Monetary Theory, you'll understand Obama more...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:05 | 3024688 RopeADope
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Masturbatory Monetary Theory, its why central bankers don't have children.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:14 | 3024054 smlbizman
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shouldnt our lord and savior get back up on that cross?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:17 | 3024062 pods
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We're running a bit low on wine too!


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:30 | 3024100 smlbizman
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would that be M.D. 20/20?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:15 | 3024056 vast-dom
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notice the box behind bummer stamped TOYS? the infantilization of citizenry reinforced in inane nanny state speeches.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:09 | 3024034 nope-1004
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Obammy got his jacket off.  Shirt sleeves are up.  He's ready to do work for the American people..... which doesn't include upholding the law and prosecuting white collar crime, but anyway, he's ready to do that work!  I'll wait and watch until he picks up a hammer and starts building a Chevy volt.


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:12 | 3024043 Quinvarius
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I suppose a racist comment would appear here on some websites.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:14 | 3024055 economics9698
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You mean like NWA?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:19 | 3024064 vast-dom
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it's all the evil white people's fault! white people had to go fuck everything up for everyone.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:23 | 3024082 Bawneee Fwank
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Obama Set to Unleash Lawsuits to Mandate Racial Preferences

"It is set to become more defining in his second term, especially in light of a federal appeals court ruling two weeks ago. Obama, by various accounts, wants to be more aggressive about suing banks, employers, schools and other institutions whose practices, however unintentionally, adversely affect "disadvantaged" (read: nonwhite) populations. This is the doctrine of "disparate impact."Attorney General Eric Holder (see photo, to the left of Obama) already has used it to extract hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements from Wells Fargo and other major banks. Its widespread application is further evidence, as if any more were needed, that "civil rights" has become a well-organized shakedown racket."

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:24 | 3024086 vast-dom
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just cause i'm white don't mean i'm not black. you follow?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:26 | 3024093 Bawneee Fwank
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Indeed, you and me both.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:38 | 3024121 pods
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Locally we had a story about how a Kroger was closing a store on MLK blvd.  And how much it would impact locals.  Local leaders were going to talk to Kroger execs to make them keep it open, blah blah blah.

Comment by the exec was that the store in question has not turned a profit in 10 years no matter what they did.

I guess wanting a profit is racist now?

Or are supermarkets now simply non-profits that sell food instead of give it away?


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:26 | 3024297 LFMayor
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All they had to do was:

1) put in a half dozen or so of those rotisserie chicken roasters. 

2) grape-drank and oran-pop stocked up.

3) profits!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:31 | 3024562 Zymurguy
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Same thing happend here in the 'Lou... Schnucks Stores owners couldn't make a profit and every day it rained or snowed they'd have half a dozen people "slip" and fall in their entry way and sue them.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:40 | 3024586 Cathartes Aura
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I guess that oft-imitated corporate competitive model of opening loss-leader stores near their rivals to draw business away isn't quite the note we're hitting in the circle-the-drain "downturn" - wonder where the locals do shop?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:18 | 3024261 LFMayor
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you mean like "Fear of a Black Planet" type NWA?

Oh....  the other NWA.  

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:31 | 3024312 I Got Worms
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Hate to split hairs, but that's Public Enemy. NWA was more "Fuck tha Police".

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:07 | 3024703 LFMayor
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You got me man... I'm even more white bread than Vanilla "Robby VanWinkle - OG" Ice.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:13 | 3024049 Bawneee Fwank
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He has already picked up a hammer...and a sickle

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:13 | 3024053 buzzsaw99
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don't be hatin' on the black man

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:22 | 3024081 Nadaclue
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I don't hate him because he's black, I hate him because his heart is.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:55 | 3024168 BandGap
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Dude, his DOJ doesn't prosecute blue collar crime, either! They are colorblind!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:14 | 3024052 slaughterer
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Classic ZH: it is like the Brady Bunch split screen.  

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:26 | 3024092 Ruffcut
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Boner verses O'boner. Would the best bone, leave my butt alone.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:14 | 3024480 DosZap
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Boner verses O'boner. Would the best bone, leave my butt alone.

That's the entire point, THEY will not.Matter of fact it get's worse by the hour.No live and let live,follow the 235yrsr + laws of the land,it's a frigging coup.

And we just THOUGHT they were against slavery!!!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 19:44 | 3025439 NidStyles
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The Progressives were never against Slavery. They were against not having power and control over the way things were ran. They took the Abolitionist movement and distorted it to their own benefit. They are not against slavery so much as they are against there being slave owners other than themselves.


They are Leninists of the worse kind, because they hid behind the Liberty groups for nearly a century in order to destroy it.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:07 | 3024022 PUD
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He's got his sleeves rolled up. Must mean business now. I want my phone.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:11 | 3024026 Cognitive Dissonance
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When one is unwilling to actually work to earn that weekly paycheck one is obligated to at least put on a show of work-like activity.

<Thus all the useless political eaters talkers.>

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:08 | 3024028 lizzy36
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What the hell is obama running for now?

Pretty sure if he wants to be "head of the union" it is his for the taking in 4 years and 2 months, until then why doesn't he go to work and quite fucking campaining.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:09 | 3024029 jekyll island
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Good theatre.  Let's distract everybody from the REAL problem.  

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:19 | 3024067 DaveyJones
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Cliff Clavin on the cliff

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:39 | 3024123 max2205
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the black prezz wants to kill or starve 100 mill white's that simple

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:43 | 3024602 Cathartes Aura
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yes, you are, apparently.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:09 | 3024030 LFMayor
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Now I know what all the Nascar fans are jonesing for:   They watch simply for the crash.

That's all I'm wanting to see now too.  The crash.

it's like a drug!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:20 | 3024070 DaveyJones
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with really bad side effects

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:09 | 3024031 russwinter
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Pig men have a new term for the inevitable do nothing fiscal cliff can kicking scam, "the baby grand bargain."

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:10 | 3024032 Bawneee Fwank
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Im so sick of this fucking subject...both these assholes can kiss my ass, tired of both democrat and republicans!

bread and circuses bitchez!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:10 | 3024037 Quinvarius
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See you December 21 when you decide to announce what we all know is going to happen.  More money printing.

BTW that is also the Mayan calander date for when the world changes.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:20 | 3024072 Renewable Life
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I'll pass out cold in my cereal, if Boehner gets another blank check bill, out of the House by Dec 21st!!!!!!! But who knows, they only need 40 republicans to defect and Nancy coud get her day!!!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:11 | 3024042 RopeADope
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Hold on Mr President...I thought if Americans were not spending on Chinese consumer crap they were saving to make up for government's broken promises on Social Security.


How is that a bad thing?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:21 | 3024076 pods
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No YoY increase in debt=Crash.


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:39 | 3024120 RopeADope
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There is a solution to that. Just get Al Gore to start a morality deficit futures exchange. Instead of increasing money via debt instruments you replace it with money created from corruption.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:12 | 3024044 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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I'm happy he has such a strong mandate, as Congressional Democrats are saying !

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:12 | 3024047 buzzsaw99
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You lost Boehner, time to kiss ass.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:12 | 3024048 sharky2003
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The more I hear this guy speak, the more I'm convinced he's a sociopath.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:20 | 3024068 RopeADope
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As opposed to all the non sociopath politicians?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:17 | 3024059 fonzannoon
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He should bring Buffet out in leather ass cheekless garb and whip him around the stage as he speaks. The key to a successful speech is using metaphors. I learned that at a conference at the Holiday in Newark airport 10 years ago.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:23 | 3024087 Renewable Life
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Ohhhhhhhh my god, I'm laughing so hard I can't type!!!! That was the funniest mental image I've had in a long time!! Thanks

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:25 | 3024088 pods
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I am a fan of analogies.  Our current one at work is that we are living the movie The Bad News Bears if you play it backwards.

Guess you could apply it to the country as well?


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:14 | 3024241 LFMayor
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So we're the karate guy getting nut-sacked off the top rope?  Wait, sorry, that was the 2nd movie, "The Bad News Bears go to Japan".

Feels like that, though.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:46 | 3024363 DaveyJones
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I was thinking more clockwork orange run sideways. The old are trying to brainwash the young and the young will strike out possibly in psychotic malicious ways.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:52 | 3024643 Cathartes Aura
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I was going to go with a sober'd up Walter Matthau increasingly drunken as his team/kids deteriorate - but a quick search threw up *cough* yet another remake, with Billy Bob - one can only imagine how the story goes. . .

In a case of life imitating art, in 2012 a Los Angeles-area little league in financial difficulty received a donation from the owner of a local strip club in order to continue operating.[8] Comparisons were immediately made to a scene in Bad News Bears in which the team received a donation from "Bo-Peeps Gentlemen's Club" and is required to put the logo of the strip club on their uniforms.[9]

but in the end, yeah, that most likely works as a metaphor - go team!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:33 | 3024108 Renewable Life
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I'm crying, I'm laughing so hard now!! That would have went along nicely with his jacket off and sleeves rolled up imagery he already was going for!!

Not to mention the priceless and timeless "post racial" full circle imagery it would have been to see a fat, aging, billionaire white guy, in ass chaps, being whipped by our black President!! After that a whole generation of black and Latino kids could see themselves differently!! Victimization will be over, they will have become the fucking "Man"!!!!

Ohh damn it that was funny!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:53 | 3024152 Renewable Life
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Oh down arrow motherfucker, are you serious, I was joking Saturday Night Live/George Carlin style, you no sense of fucking humor, stick in the mud assholes!! Don't worry, we already know in this Country, we could elect a Black, Asian, or Latino President for the next fucking 60 years straight, and it won't make up for slavery and manifest destiny having occurred!! I Know, it's the fucking subject that can't be laughed about, talked about, acknowledged, or moved beyond..........unless your a black comedian or entertainer, then you can make millions laughing about it on Comedy Central, Fox, and every fucking stand up show all day, then slavery is the fucking funniest thing anyone's seen! Otherwise, your a racist, your fired, and shut the fuck up, right?

Lighten up people, or start mining diamonds from your tight puckered asses, to make up for it!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:18 | 3024061 Mike2756
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Paying people not to work is fair and responsible. ;)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:19 | 3024066 Hetty Green
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No sound here.  Probably for the better :-)


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:45 | 3024137 pods
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Sheesh, I hit pause as soon as the page loads.  I get the cliff's notes version from commenters.


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:20 | 3024071 IridiumRebel
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"Honey? We cannot keep dropping $2000 bucks a month on the credit card. Anyway we can trim some stuff cuz our credit is going to be hurt really badly and our house could go into foreclosure if we miss payments?'s not like I can just print money in the basement." 

"Well, I will tell you what. I will knock off a couple hundred a month by not going to the hair salon so we should be good from there, ok?"

"So go from spending $2000 a month to $1800......ummm....."

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:21 | 3024074 ZackAttack3
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How does everybody realize what "else" is in this agreement passed by the Senate?  There's a reason the Health Care bill is over 2,000 pages long, its contains so much crap that has nothing to do with Health Care, just as this does.  Im am going crazy with all these Obama followers that think he is Jesus Christ.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:22 | 3024079 Iam Yue2
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Long hopium.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:23 | 3024083 slaughterer
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Get Boehner on, my shorts need payday.  

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:27 | 3024090 benbushiii
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The jacket comes off, the emporor has no clothes.  He continues perpetuate the myth that his plan will save the middle class; when in reality it will further enslave the middle class.  The financial elites are controlling the puppet's string; increase the tax on the rich (this will not impact the wealthy in the least), keep up the entitlements (these are the sheeple that voted for him), and lower corporate tax rates (this will allow the wealthy to increase their incomes even more).  We have been off the cliff for years now, the trashing of the dollar by the Treasury and the Fed has provided an updraft to prevent the economy from entering terminal velocity and crashing.  Though we are still falling and getting close to the flames.  Ask anyone in the U.S. if prices have gone up in the last 4 years?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:14 | 3024243 Sextus Empiricus
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The cliff was years ago, and it was more like Mt. Everest.  Right now, we're just hitting the bumpy part on the way down off the summit. 

But as I learned a long time ago, what goes up must come down.

As my son would say as he watches the Little Einstein's getting ready for their mission... "Hold on tight 'cuz here we goooooooooo!"

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:33 | 3024319 HurricaneSeason
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When he says middle class, read double paid and double pensioned government workers that produce little.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:26 | 3024091 Iam Yue2
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S&P up 5 on back of Obama chats to crowd scene.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:34 | 3024112 RopeADope
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S&P is back up in anticipation of a drop during Boehner's response. This way bad news is good news as a selloff tests support levels prompting a new algo buying frenzy.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:27 | 3024096 Joe moneybags
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The Demos are in the driver's seat, as the Fiscall Speed Bump, should the gov do nothing, will result in the higher taxes and cuts in defense spending that they want.  The only downside is some cutting of social spending, but it's a drop in the bucket, and the Dems won't have to take any heat on it from their constituents in the future.  They get credit for doing the right thing.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:33 | 3024109 Joe moneybags
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Obama's foreplay hasn't worked as of 12:32 EST.  , i.e. no Boner.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:34 | 3024111 kralizec
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Cliff?  Jump!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:35 | 3024113 SmoothCoolSmoke
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SP 1414.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:39 | 3024124 mdtrader
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The algos are all waiting to buy a cliff resolution and the humans are all waiting to sell it lol.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:52 | 3024150 Iam Yue2
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Tomato Man says yes!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:53 | 3024161 The Gooch
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"Almost nowhere"- Mr. Tang

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:54 | 3024163 RacerX
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Boehner..  Boehner..  Boehner..

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:55 | 3024170 ZackAttack3
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Anyone else getting deja vu?  I hear d the same he said, she said yesterday.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:58 | 3024180 Biggvs
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Now that everyone's gone short on Boehner's "we're almost nowhere" comment, it's probably time for Kevin Henry to fire up another stop hunt.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 13:58 | 3024181 Benjamin Glutton
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cut the budget to 2001 level, rescind all legislation post 2001 that requires spending and fire everyone hired with new Federal spending since 2001.



Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:02 | 3024199 RacerX
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so when do we get our bread?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:11 | 3024227 1fortheroad
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I want my cake


and edith to

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:03 | 3024203 Lewshine
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Boehner comes out and says Obama and Democrats are NOT serious, NO deal!! Where are the headline reading algos?? Market actually improved on the release. Could those running this corrupt system be anymore obnoxious??? Ben is now safe guarding any chance of a pullback. Until the boys in charge decide their shorts are nicely in place! 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:04 | 3024213 ekm
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As I've alwasy said, this casino is 'news proof'.

News have no effect, none whatsoever on the the market, zero, zilch, nada.


The reality is that the Primary Dealers have become the greater fool and have only one option left:

Push the buy button with Fed's money until the casino runs out of chips (stocks).

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:07 | 3024216 1fortheroad
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The Barry-Boner shit show again.


Im sure Boner got his fudge packed last night and Barry was the packer.


Its the same shit every day, just going down a different toliet.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:11 | 3024229 Sextus Empiricus
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So let's see, we're going to have negotiations on the fiscal cliff except each side has given the other the ultimatum that they will not accept the one thing the other person wants to do. 

Ready, set... twiddle your thumbs!!!!

What's frustrating is all of these clowns in CONgress are making over $150,000 per year (just in salary) to carry on this charade.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:49 | 3024328 ATG
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The Speaker, aka Mr International Lobby (Goldman Sachs, Google, Citigroup, R.J. Reynolds, MillerCoors and UPS), second in line to Presidency, makes $223,500. He can earn another 15% from other sources, has up to 21 staff aides earning up to $156,848 each ($3.3 M total). He can cut staff and use that money plus expense allowances that include free mail, gym restaurant, travel. He can retire at any age after 25 years seniority, or after 62 with five years, at 80% of final salary, while the current Speaker advocates delaying Social Security Retirement age to 70 without means testing. But the real money was funneled in by AT&T, Murray Energy, First Energy, SLM and Paulson Corps (some $21 M this campaign) plus hundreds of millions from tax-exempt 501 (c) orgs to the Party:

The President, funded my the same international lobbies, draws a $400,000 salary, plus free room and board, free travel on Air Force One and 20 day multi-million dollar family vacations to Hawaii, India, Spain andother exotic locations with aides and security. 

What was that in our Constitution about no foreign emoluents that was watered down?:



Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:59 | 3024386 ATG
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More unproductive idiot vandals who can't comprehend, read or think and have no assets or income to protect, allowed to misuse red markers on the internet psyop...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 14:11 | 3024230 Bastiat009
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Will stock outperform PM again today? This year? Will the US$ finish the year much stronger than it was at the beginning? I can't wait to find out if all the pundits were wrong ... again.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:13 | 3024494 madcows
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Does anyone else get the immediate urge to scream or punch someone when you see a politician's picture?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:21 | 3024527 DosZap
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GOP needs to shut up, and refuse to co-operate period,let HIM and them OWN it.Allow them to do what they are going to do anyway, leave their finger prints off 100%.

All the indigents that put this clown back in, cannot blame anyone for whats next, they OWN IT.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:40 | 3024585 RopeADope
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All the Americans that put these political clowns in office for the past 30 years cannot blame anyone for whats next, they OWN IT.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:41 | 3024594 Zymurguy
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Give a man some money and he'll be paid for a day

Teach a man to print money and he'll be paid for a lifetime

(Instead of all the bullshit QE and deficit shit and debt cliff crap we really should have just given every household in the US a computer w/ a printer so they could just print their own stimulus dollars and buy, buy, buy - I mean really, what difference does it make any more how much the debt is.  It'll never be paid down - some other grand write off program will have to occur.)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:48 | 3024622 tongue.stan
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These pieces of shit get to frontrun every pronouncement. They get off the phone with their brokers, and proudly step up to the mike.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 15:59 | 3024664 Cathartes Aura
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dude, it's like television - the most you can do is touch the screen while watching your show unfold.

or wise up, turn it all off, go outside.

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