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Guest Post: Ready For The Apocalypse?

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics blog,

I am not really a doomer. But I do think that societies and individuals that do not prepare for the worst (and hope for the best) are needlessly endangering themselves. Tail risk events happen. An MIT study earlier this year predicted that the global economy would collapse by 2030.

A new national survey by National Geographic and Kelton Research finds some interesting results:

Which cataclysmic movies do Americans worry might come true?

7% of Americans think the Planet of the Apes might come true? Really? 30% of Americans think that the events of Roland Emmerich’s 2012 might occur?

And how prepared do Americans think they are for such events?

But in reality — in terms of what people have actually accomplished — few people seem ready for anything:

9% of people have alternative power sources? 21% have made some attempt to grow their own food? Only 43% have a spare supply of drinking water?

Not prepared at all.


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Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:07 | 3024698 idea_hamster
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7% of people -- 1 out of 15 -- expect a "Planet of the Apes" scenario?  Umm...right.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:11 | 3024713 NewThor
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Did you see ORION last night?

He held the Moon in his right hand,

and Jupiter as the arrow in his bow in his left hand.

Yo, evil ones.

You'd better shape up and even keel your souls now.

You're about to eat a Karma singularity,




Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:40 | 3024851 CH1
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The #1 survival tool: Good neighbors.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:45 | 3024873 francis_sawyer
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francis_sawyer warns:


ZOMBIES... u need to prepare for ZOMBIES... [oh wait!]...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:12 | 3024985 midtowng
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Good point. Zombies are probably more likely than a serious foreign terrorist attack (domestic is another story)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:11 | 3025186 prains
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I've heard Simon Black is renting rooms out in cheapenzuela for the apocolypse as long as you "till" his soil and shave his alpaca you're good to go, no worries

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:17 | 3025206 pods
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God I hope that "shave his alpaca" is NOT a euphemism!

Hell, might use that one tonight on Mrs. pods.  Hey baby, why don't you come over here and shave my alpaca?


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:21 | 3025222 prains
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when it starts to bleet you know you're to the wood_word of caution before trying at home

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 03:53 | 3026089 Half_A_Billion_...
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I know theguy's a no-no here; but he's right about Chile.  <10%debt/gdp = small gov = no demagoguery.


He's wrong about argentina, of course.  Thats a shithole

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:52 | 3024911 Winston Churchill
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#1 survival hazard;Bad neighbors.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:07 | 3024975 NotApplicable
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Them's the ones we eat!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:12 | 3024986 Fedaykinx
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the good ones know who the bad ones are.  problem gets solved, problem stays solved.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:21 | 3025224 aerojet
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Fuck.  Most of my neighbors are liberal pussies who voted for Obama.  I'll be barbequing them...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:44 | 3025290 prains
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because voting for Romney was the "smart" choice. you have completely missed the point in your left/right paradigm, time to wakey wakey sleepy head

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 02:54 | 3026064 glenlloyd
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ditto on that, two sides of the same coin...

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 05:25 | 3026117 Urban Redneck
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If he'd said shooting them he would have been correct.  Just because those who wield real power manipulate the masses through PERCEIVED difference between ANY two groups, doesn't mean that there aren't any ACTUAL differences between the two perceived options presented.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 12:31 | 3026415 Bag Of Meat
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I "neighbours" as in state

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:10 | 3024715 knukles
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Well, just take a look at....


(I'm gonna go to hell for that one....)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:17 | 3024751 NewThor
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Millionaire - "I could have you killed for $5000."

Me - "I recommend you hire a $100,000 dollar guy,

because if your guy doesn't get me, 

I'm coming for you and neither your money or

baphomet will protect you."

It's good to be Thor.

This ain't my first Ragnorak. 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:16 | 3025004 cougar_w
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You know a millionaire? Don't kill the stupid fuck, kidnap his dog. Should be worth couple hunnerd grand.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:24 | 3025024 Cognitive Dissonance
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I LIKE how your mind works cougar. :>)

<Anything new on the girls?>

You need to update that link with your latest bro.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:00 | 3025150 cougar_w
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Dammit you are right, I never did update. Here's the link in case you have a few minutes later today and want to visit Crazy Town:

There's plain crazy, and then there's really crazy, and then there's over-the-top totally-deranged scary-assed fucking crazy. The latter often comes with teeth -- lots of really long really sharp teeth. Honestly, it's got to be the best kind of crazy there is.

And it's only at ZeroHedge.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 02:16 | 3026029 Errol
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Cougar, I enjoyed the stories about da girls, thanks! : )

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:11 | 3025610 Zap Powerz
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You might like this:

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:51 | 3024726 LFMayor
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Been to East St Louis much?


Hey Hey, we're the monkeys.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:15 | 3024740 unununium
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You don't have to go to the fringe, to find doom scenarios.  The well-informed and well-reasoned opinions to John Williams at SGS are published on a regular basis.

You know him as the author of the respected CPI inflation index that uses the methods that were in place before the government reporting agencies were slowly corrupted.  The true current rate of inflation is 6%.

The consequences -- and they are quite dire -- are detailed here.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:20 | 3024760 Tom Servo
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Hmmm I would pick these movies instead:

The Road

Book of Eli (if you cut ou the religious crap)

Threads or The Day After


I mean 2012? LOL

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:31 | 3024804 stormsailor
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  Now, I suggest to you that America needs a prophet today – a prophet that will set before the nation the essential choices. In the words of that great poet and essayist, J.D. Holland, God give us men – men whom the lust of office does not kill – men whom the spoils of office cannot buy – men who have honor – men who will not lie – men who can stand before a demagogue and damn his treacherous flatteries without winking – tall men, sun-ground who live above the fog in public duty and in private thinking.
Millions of people in America live in moral fogs. They move in a sort of spiritual twilight. Modified morality; modified dishonesty is the practice of millions more. Surely the time has come for us to be honest about it. If we have thrown away our national heritage. If we no longer believe that this nation was founded under God. If contrary to what is stamped upon our coins, our trust is not in God, but in Baal, LET US SAY SO!
Let us at least not be hypocrites. Yes, like the ancient Hebrew nation, America needs a prophet like an Elijah – a prophet who will have the ear of America and will say to her now:



Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:53 | 3024882 Popo
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You should read a little more history.   Ba'al was a very commonly worshipped middle-eastern god that preceded "God"  (Yahweh) by a couple centuries.   In fact, anyone reading the Ba'al theology for the first time would probably be a bit confused, because the Jews and Christians ripped it off completely.   Then in an effort to discredit Ba'al  (also known as Ba'al Zebul, or "Lord of Princes") the ancient Israelites referred to him "BaalZebub" or "Lord of Flies" as an insult.   (Basically equating Ba'al with shit).  Centuries later, in an increased effort to discredit the competing religion, the Christians equated Ba'al with Satan -- despite the fact that Ba'al was a benevolent universal creator almost identical to Yahweh.

Propaganda.... it ain't new....


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:28 | 3025048 stormsailor
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i don't normally use wiki as a source.  dead sea scrolls

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 20:52 | 3025570 Cathartes Aura
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co-opting belief systems is as old as History, and includes re-naming and claiming ultimate truth.

research can be fascinating if one doesn't get stuck in a belief paradigm.


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:54 | 3024920 Piranhanoia
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Are you talking about the star of that cheap novel?  You know, the jerk that killed anyone that didn't act like a slave?  Not even Jesus had anything to do with the creep until the Pope had the whole story rewritten to scare the stupid. Honestly.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:59 | 3024937 Darth Mul
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" the ancient Hebrew nation, America needs a prophet like an Elijah"


Hardly.  The ancient Hebrews were dicks.


Those that, mostly incorrectly, think themselves the descendents of those same Hebrews certainly seem to have themselves an Old Testament state in Israel.


I'm not sure we should be looking for the off-ramp to the Bronze Age, but if we do, might I suggest the Greeks or Egyptians or Chinese are less deleterious role models than the so-called Hebrews?


By the way - as to ancient ruins - in Greece and Egypt and Crete - you trip over the stuff.


So what's the deal with the very sparse non-bible evidence of a Kingdom of David, or a first temple?


Strangely, there are more attested Egyptian artifacts to be found in Israel than artifacts associated with the Kingdom of David.



Bullshit - it ain't new....




Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:43 | 3024866 Citxmech
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I'll put my vote in for Soylent Green (minus the crackers).

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:11 | 3024982 NotApplicable
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Logan's Run!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 20:04 | 3025487 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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we're living in 'Bernanke's Run'


Sat, 12/01/2012 - 02:57 | 3026067 glenlloyd
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How about Mad Max?

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 12:01 | 3026378 Citxmech
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Only with bicycles instead of cars. . .

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:31 | 3025063 grid-b-gone
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I pick Pearl Buck's The Good Earth.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:22 | 3025229 aerojet
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The Road was so depressing, had I seen it in a theater, I might have left there and just walked in front of a bus.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:24 | 3025231 Zymurguy
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The Road.... fucking chilling.  I'm almost afraid to watch it again, simply brutal and probably the most realistic depiction of what is coming our way.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 19:06 | 3025347 HelluvaEngineer
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I never saw the movie (reminder: check Pirate Bay), but the book is extremely well written and short.  If you can stomach it, try that version.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 19:10 | 3025359 Citxmech
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The basis for Soylent Green wasn't any joy either.  See:  Make Room Make Room.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:02 | 3025593 perchprism
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I grew up reading the Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison.  Make Room! Make Room! came out in 1966.  Harrison just died this past summer, pushing 90.   87 actually, I think.  Pretty ripe.  He died in August, so we've probably all had a taste of him by now in our Post Toasties...



Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:56 | 3024823 HelluvaEngineer
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So I actually came here to see the cool looking infographic on the teaser.  Any links to that?


Edit: I found it.  Teh internets are amazing. It has everything.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:40 | 3024854 zendome
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Or it could just be 7% of people have that kind of sense of humor.  My kind of peeps actually :)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:47 | 3024884 NotApplicable
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Yep. Put an idiotic survey in front of me, and I'll make all of the wildest choices possible.

John, you shouldn't give ANY credence to this stuff.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:11 | 3024981 midtowng
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Planet of the Apes would be cool

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:11 | 3024983 NotApplicable
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Get your hands off me, you damned dirty ape!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:25 | 3025237 aerojet
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Escape from New York would have at least been plausible.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:28 | 3025050 vast-dom
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fuck and look at the stats for, say, where I reside: NYC! 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:45 | 3025288 Dugald
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Phew! that's a relief I though it would happen before I die.....

time for a another barrel of single malt then..

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:07 | 3024704 cossack55
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I don't see PMs, booze, tobacco or ammo on the list.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:18 | 3024753 semperfi
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and viagra

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:20 | 3024759 Flakmeister
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Speak for yourself....

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:00 | 3025153 pods
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To SELL Flak, we all know you are strong like bull!



Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:07 | 3025170 Flakmeister
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Aint' much of an apocalypse if anyone is worried about boner pills...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 20:21 | 3025506 Hulk
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I don't know about that Flak, blue balls are a powerful driver...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:09 | 3024705 Badabing
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 I'm outta here!




  [/ \__/  ()III()

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:16 | 3024709 Ignatius
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The Omega Man.

Wanna pull up a chair and watch the show, or be the show?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:10 | 3024714 Milton Waddams
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Pot containing 'frog' begins to boil :  0%

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:12 | 3024722 tenpanhandle
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frog containing pot croaks.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:27 | 3024779 Dr. Richard Head
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Finding a psychoactive frog to lick as a pot chaser.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:40 | 3024853 Cognitive Dissonance
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I want you as my neighbor. :)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:49 | 3024890 Dr. Richard Head
Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:55 | 3024924 Cognitive Dissonance
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Less chance of them visiting my place then if they're extra busy with you. :>)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:22 | 3025023 cougar_w
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But doesn't this undermine your fool-proof plausibly deniable plan for growing all your pot in the neighbors' basements?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:25 | 3025037 Cognitive Dissonance
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I don't know WHAT you're talking about.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:44 | 3025107 cougar_w
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Did I say something? Oh and hey what about the weather today I thought the rains never would arrive.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:33 | 3025074 Parrotile
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Toads are better . . .

(especially Cane Toads!)

Might be a one-way journey if you lick too much though -

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:02 | 3025156 pods
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Had more fun throwing up on mushrooms thanks!


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 20:58 | 3025585 Cathartes Aura
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fast for 24 hours prior, and do 'em with intention.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 19:37 | 3025419 New World Chaos
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For the Maya, psychoactive toads were symbols of transformation and rebirth.  They help you realize that any experience of your separate identity is an illusion, because you are really just a drop in an infinite ocean of cosmic consciousness.  Your real identity is your higher awareness.  When you realize this, you are reborn.  Also helps that the toad starts as a tadpole, and as an adult, it periodically eats its own skin and appears reborn.  Mayan priests may have got the whole 2012 thing while tripping on toad juice. 

A toad in Arizona has the same venom (5-MeO-DMT).  It inspired the Church of the Toad of Light:



Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:16 | 3025619 perchprism
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You guys need to seek an audience with Mescalito.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:10 | 3024716 slow_roast
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Complete bullshit.  8% of Americans have not built a bomb shelter or safe room.  These numbers are pure lies.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:15 | 3024738 tenpanhandle
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Give people the benefit of the doubt.  I have an excellant bombshelter built right in my own house.  Of course, its made of legos and will only shelter my lego humvee.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:16 | 3024746 TrumpXVI
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Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:24 | 3025033 cougar_w
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A lot of modern homes built in the last 10 years in or around Tornado Alley probably have safe rooms (by some definition) as a code requirement. I know there are contractors who specialize in building them as retrofits.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 07:13 | 3026147 Cosimo de Medici
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After extensive research I built a nuclear bomb-proof room in my house.  It's constructed entirely of Elementary School desks.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:59 | 3025328 Matt
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37 percent do not expect a significant Hurricane anywhere in the United States within the next 25 years. I wonder as to the exact wording used, and how they define significant.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 20:38 | 3025537 Parrotile
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With the increase of hurricane-related devastation in the US ALONE over the past decade, just what are they smokin'???

25 years is a heck of a long time. Unbless there is a significant change in weather patterns, one of more significant events is an almost certainty.  From MAY this year -, and note also for the historical record.

The combination of ageing population. ageing infrastructure and complacency ("It'll NEVER happen HERE" mindset) seem certain to provide the seeds for further significant loss of property and life even with a relatively modest event.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:05 | 3025596 Cathartes Aura
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erm, 8% of those surveyed.


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:12 | 3024721 slow_roast
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24% of respondents said they had substantial cash on hand?!?!!  This is clearly not a survey that broadly agrees with most Americans. 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:21 | 3024755 TrumpXVI
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The word "substantial" bady needs qualification here.

My guess is that the majority of people can make it until they can get to an ATM machine or until tomorrow; whichever comes sooner.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:19 | 3024756 walküre
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50 bucks in coins in a cookie jar may have come to their minds when responding ...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:32 | 3024789 Dr. Richard Head
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$10K in hondos bitches.  Mattress's not just for your gramama anymore.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:40 | 3024847 Cognitive Dissonance
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If it's stuffed in a mattress it's just a useless relic. You can't eat it and it doesn't earn interest.

Now Gold on the other hand.......... :>)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:48 | 3024880 walküre
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the number of Americans holding 10k or more in cash in their lifetime, let alone stashed in their house is about 5%

the top 1% and 4% casino and drug dealers

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:52 | 3024909 Dr. Richard Head
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I fall into neither the top 1-4%, nor deal drugs.  Just became frugal after stumbling about this ZH site.  ZeroHedge - It's better than crack.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:14 | 3024992 NotApplicable
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You'll still be labeled a terrorist for it, cuz as we all know, only criminals keep that much cash outside of the "safety" of the "banking" system.

I'm thinking 10,000 nickels. That'll confuse the hell outta 'em.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:32 | 3025013 FEDbuster
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What if the $10K is in $50. 1 oz AGEs?  Don't you love the mint and treasury's sense of humor?

Mark Dice trys to buy a taco at Taco Bell with a $50. gold eagle:

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:57 | 3025142 walküre
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Between you, me and the fencepost. I forgot the prepper category. Make it 10% then. Top 1%, 4% casino and drug dealers and 5% preppers. But the preppers all seem to have boating mishaps. So they're not showing up on any statistic.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:50 | 3024895 Dr. Richard Head
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Gold and silver too, but that would be utilized after the cash.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:13 | 3024724 JohnG
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Road Warrior isn't on the list. :)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:17 | 3024737 magpie
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Yes must be under 'other', am also missing Escape from NY and The Road. Most likely younger respondents also had the Hunger Games in mind.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 20:13 | 3025500 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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let's not forget 'Deathrace 2000' = Obamacare

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:16 | 3024744 cossack55
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Neither is "Kelly's Heroes"

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:37 | 3024837 JohnG
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Wanna sack Ft. Knox?   :)

(just kidding NSA snoops we know you are here)

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:06 | 3024969 Jonas Parker
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"Wanna sack Ft. Knox?   :)

(just kidding NSA snoops we know you are here)"


Yes... go long on titanium!

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 23:32 | 3025848 mkkby
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That's tungsten, you mope.  Just waking up, son?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:38 | 3024839 oddball
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Where is the gold?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:05 | 3024966 ZeroHour
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I'm in need of 60 feet of bridge.  Don't want to lose that gold trying to ford the river.

Woof. Woof.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 07:06 | 3026144 theprofromdover
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enough with them negative thoughts Moriarty

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 07:18 | 3026148 Cosimo de Medici
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Nor "Lifeboat" with Tallulah Bankhead.  With a name like hers, one might have expected she would be the Patron Saint of Zerohedge.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:13 | 3024727 harami
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Because Americans think "It could never happen here" and the kicker is even after experiencing a natural disaster most people still don't plan. 

The recent round of Colorado wildfires that threatened all of Colorado Springs proved even if you're prepared mother nature can still take your whole house.  Know your neighbors and have a strong community or all the preperation in the world on your end can still, literally, go up in smoke.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:14 | 3024734 Flakmeister
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The Day after Tomorrow is the right genre, but making a movie about a drought and the collapse of the food suppy ain't that interesting.... Note that in TDAT that the real fun started after the movie ended....

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:16 | 3024735 Cognitive Dissonance
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We are all just three meals away from choas.

<No problemo. Food comes from supermarkets silly.>

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:17 | 3024747 Karlus
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Here here. This is the issue, its not guns or anything else. When Kroger dies, you die.

Google "Sure-Pak" and get nice with some MREs.

Remember, you dont need to outrun the bear, you just need to outrun the slower campers

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:26 | 3024775 Tom Servo
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Sure Pak MREs are better than nothing.  You have to get the near authentic military grade ones though...


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:42 | 3024865 JohnG
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You can get them on ebay, they are expensive.  Not really "legal" to sell, but it's not enforced.  MREStar is about the best value.

I've eaten waaaaay too many Meals Rejected by Etheopians though.  Only as a very last resort.  I'd really rather choke down a Datrex bar.  Tastes better, doesn't make you want to barf, and no intestinal problems, smell better (MRE's suck), can carry many more of many advantages.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:06 | 3025167 pods
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So how are the "four fingers of death?"


Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:26 | 3024776 MachoMan
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You need to outlive the bear...  outrunning the bear is simply praying for an intervening miracle.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:14 | 3025616 Seer
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No, you just have to out-run one person that's close by.  Hint: always go hiking with someone who is slower than you...

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:22 | 3024766 knukles
Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:29 | 3024792 imbrbing
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or one empty unfillable gas tank, like what happened with sandy

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:51 | 3024903 NotApplicable
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Unfillable gas tank?

*head asplodes*

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:24 | 3025031 RichardP
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I think he meant there was no gas to put into it - therefore, unfillable.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:28 | 3025250 aerojet
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There was plenty of gas around in all those washed up boats, you just had to be a little clever to get to it.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:16 | 3024743 alien-IQ
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Has anyone considered the possibility that some people do not prepare for a"post apocalyptic world" because they simply do not want to live in such a place and thus, would rather just die and be done with it?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:19 | 3024754 Spacemoose
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those people do not have children... 

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:22 | 3024767 alien-IQ
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And precisely what kind of life would children have in such a world?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:39 | 3024843 Spacemoose
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and you are obviously not a parent.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:44 | 3024870 JohnG
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That Catch-22 is some bitch, eh?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:14 | 3024995 Citxmech
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As an avowed prepper - I can say that actively confronting what it would take to survive a global supply chain break-down is quite depressing.  Essentially, you need to become a homesteader - which is just too much for most folks to wrestle with mentally and emotionally.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:17 | 3025008 dexter_morgan
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Yep. Just like freedom, liberty, responsibility, it's just too damn hard for people today. Oh well, can't say it won't be interestin.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:52 | 3025305 css1971
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Only if there is no local trade.

Might be worth thinking ways to encourage local trade.

Honestly though. It's only money. It's a concept, if it breaks down another will replace it.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 19:32 | 3025413 Citxmech
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I am convinced that localization will be the way of the future.  For now I'm content to not have everybody looking for their 40 acres.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:36 | 3025654 Seer
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Resources are going to be WAY more scarce.  And as things break down it'll only get worse.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:43 | 3024867 kaiserhoff
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Hopefully, one free of Stalinist file clerks.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:07 | 3024972 Spacemoose
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also, sorry i'm wordy but i'm curious as to whether others have thoughts with respect to the below:

things zh'ers believe

to assign probabilities to the future of gold we must look at the history of gold.

to assign probabilities to the future of fiat we must look at the history of fiat.

to assign probabilities to the future of "democracy" we must look at the history of democracy.

now, it seems to me that the same intellectual disipline is not being applied when examining societal collapse.

to assign probabilities to the future state of society after collapse, we must look at the history of societal collapse.

what does history tell us of the time line of collapses? what are the historical antecedants of rapid collapse? a proper analysis suitable for personal planning must ask some questions. for instance, how often and for how long does the "roving band" or "golden horde" scenario occur and what does a typical collapse look like?

IANAH (i am not a historian and i'm not at all certain of my conclusions) but it seems to me that:

1. there is a natural feedback mechanism whereby, as society descends into chaos, calls go out for a strongman. these calls are almost always granted (ceasar and hitler come to mind). thus, in most cases, descent into chaos is stopped by authoritarian rule.

2. starvation and poverty or competition for power and resources are often accompanied by an increase in inter-ethnic violence but rarely intra-ethnic violence. (lebanon, yugoslavia, almost all of africa). where intra-ethnic violence occurs, it is almost always inter-cultural (northern ireland).

3. intra-ethnic violence, when it does occur, is most often conducted in a large scale and well organized manner (first world war, american civil war).

4. chaotic intra-ethnic violence most often occurs when there is a wide economic gap between opposing forces and when the numbers of those in the "lower" classes reach a critical ratio (vis a vis the upper class) (french revolution, russian revolution).

5. during a severe crisis, imposed by external events, human beings show a remarkable propensity to self organize and co-operate, even when from differing ethnic and cultural backgrounds. humans are biologically hard wired to co-operate (for obvious reasons, natural selection has not favored non-cooperative humans [although many still exist today as truck drivers -- just kidding]).

6. it seems to be a rare occurance, that members of the same ethic and cultural group kill other members of the same ethic and cultural group in a mad max scenario. perhaps someone with a greater knowledge of history than i could help me here. what historical antecedants exist for mad max scenarios?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:24 | 3025032 Citxmech
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Start with J. Tainter. (The Collapse of Complex Societies).  He goes into excruciating detail on many of these points.

For me, the big question is whether a global collapse becomes more analagous to the collapse of an isolated group like the Easter Islanders - because in a true global collapse there are no "outsiders" who are experiencing stability to moderate the effects.

While history informs, you will also need to assess whether the best analogy for our current predicament is the fall of Rome or, instead, one of the global mass extinctions (or both concurrently).

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:30 | 3025057 Spacemoose
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thanks citxmex.  it looks very interesting (although pricey at $40).  i've added it to my amazon wish list.  maybe santa will bring it.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:42 | 3025100 Citxmech
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Be warned - it is an "academic text" in the worst possible sense - eg extremely dry, overstated, and redundant - but it is a very interesting and well supported read, nonetheless.

PS If you PM me, I'll see if I can get you my loaner copy from the last person I forwarded it to.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 23:27 | 3025840 sullymandias
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Collapse by Jared Diamond is decent.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 23:35 | 3027447 imbrbing
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I have a question, we have collapse of societies documented and detailed, but what about global collapses, uncharted territory.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:14 | 3024998 dexter_morgan
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Terrible. Except they may learn to be self-sufficient and responsible, and develop survial skills and conservation skills. Othere than that, just terrible.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:32 | 3025067 cougar_w
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They'll also spend more time out doors, more time thinking about solutions to problems, and more time performing labor that results in real and sustainable economic growth. But only if they can first learn how to live without 500 channels of cable TV and iTunes downloads. Honestly, I am not confident.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:42 | 3025667 Seer
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"sustainable economic growth"


Have we not learned anything?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:23 | 3025027 Hi Ho Silver
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The same kind of life children enjoyed for thousands of years prior to the last two centuries.


And there will be a lot less competition for resources after 75% perish due to starvation within the first 3-6 months.

Embrace natural selection. Let's clean the gene pool.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:45 | 3025085 cougar_w
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Just to be clear, there would be nothing natural about the process. We might end up with a lot of really weak, diseased, mentally deranged rich fuckers making up the balance of the species while all of the people with natural talent, survival skills and relevant racial memories are forced to perish.

Doesn't bode well for continuity of the species, actually. Without sensible poor people threatening to kill them, the idle rich will likely end up blasting each other into steaming ashes with nuclear weapons in a close fight over the last of the gold stores.

Maybe a small tribe of Abos living in the outback of Australia will pick up the slack. Hard to say. If it comes to that I hope they make some early choices to keep this sort of crap from happening again in another eight thousand years.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 21:45 | 3025672 Seer
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Who is left in the gene pool isn't going to be the natural selection process that you may have in mind.  TPTB have had more to prepare with (courtesy of ripping actual workers off).

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:47 | 3025270 css1971
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What do you think the world looked like for the last 4 billion years? Pretty shitty till Apple invented the iPhone eh?

Some perspective. You have an unbroken 3 billion year history of children behind you up to this point in time.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:34 | 3024815 harami
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If those people found God and learned of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ they would have hope and would understand that even in the bleakest of circumstances life is still worth living, that everyone has worth, that people aren't just a collective to be sacrificed at the whim of the elite.

Satan is real and he's working hard to lead the children of men down the path of destruction with him.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:54 | 3024912 walküre
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I love Jesus too and I'm gonna ask him one day, when I see him (God willing) .. why he didn't cure stupid. He cured about everything else.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:33 | 3025075 Hi Ho Silver
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Stupid is a choice. You don't cure a choice.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:17 | 3025202 walküre
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If you mean being ignorant is a choice, I agree with you.

Some people are born stupid and they can't think for themselves - ever. They make mistakes and we have pity on them. I guess they fall under the wide spectrum of poor and hapless souls that God has mercy on by default?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:30 | 3025255 css1971
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It's sadder than that. People are made stupid by their parents & the people around them.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 20:45 | 3025553 FeralSerf
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If He had cured stupid there wouldn't have been anyone stupid enough to go to church.  Who would feed the preachers?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 16:58 | 3024933 Ms. Erable
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Everyone has worth? Justify Jon Corzine.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 17:28 | 3025045 NotApplicable
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Why, he massively reinforced my belief that the world is run by the mafia. As an added bonus, when I tell people the story of MFG, they no longer argue with me about this fact.

That my friends, is value.

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