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The Counter-revolution Spreads: First Egypt, Now Tunisia

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Several months after the world rejoiced following the 2011 Arab Spring took the world by storm, and replaced one dictator in the MENA region with what appears to be another now that the US-endorsed "democratically elected" Mursi is better known as Morsillini, having granted himself "temporary" dictatorial powers, we warned that it was only a matter of time before the Arab Spring turns into an Arab Thermodorian Reaction, aka an Arab Counterrevolution. And this time the world is devoid of such romantic concepts as a season of the year to tie this logical reaction to, as it now appears certain that this is going to be a long and drawn out process, lasting not only longer than just one season, but stretching years. Sure enough, after Egypt succumbed to the inevitable power vacuum response, it is now the turn of the place that started it all: Tunisia, where the local national guard is firing against its own people once more.

Reuters reports that "Tunisian security forces fired tear gas and live rounds into the air on Saturday to try to disperse thousands of protesters in a town that has seen days of clashes over economic hardship. National guard forces belonging to the Interior Ministry fired tear gas and rounds from inside armoured personnel carriers in the town of Siliana, southwest of Tunis....At least 252 people have been wounded by birdshot, according to state news agency TAP. Medical sources say 17 have been blinded." Sadly, when violence leads to hope and the hope fades, it is time to revert back to the violence.

From Reuters:

"Get out, get out!", "With our blood and soul we sacrifice ourselves for you, Siliana" and "Siliana will be the graveyard of the Ennahda party" the protesters, who numbered about 3,000, chanted while throwing stones at security forces.


Police chased protesters down streets.


The Islamist Ennahda party that won Tunisia's first post-Arab Spring election last year is struggling to revive the economy of the north African state due to lower trade with the crisis-hit euro zone.


Disputes also continue between secularists and hardline Salafi Islamists over the future direction of the country.


Tunisian President Moncef Marzouki asked the Islamist Prime Minister Hamadi Jebali in an address on state television on Friday to appoint a new cabinet in response to the protests.


On Saturday, Jebali seemed poised to remove the controversial Siliana governor to ease tensions. A statement on state news agency TAP said a deputy had been put in charge of the governorate's affairs pending a "final decision".


The protests are the fiercest since Salafis attacked the U.S. embassy in Tunis in September over an anti-Islam film made in California. Four people were killed in that violence.

And in a complete shock to everyone who believes in the now defunct concept of democracy, it appears that one dictator is no beter than another, in a world in which cheap plantiful credit is no longer available for anyone and everyone to emulate that much vaunted American lifestyle where the average credit card debt is tens of thousands per capita:

Navi Pillay, U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, said on Friday authorities must stop using firearms against demonstrators, in some of her harshest criticisms of the government elected after veteran ruler Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali fled was overthrown in January last year.


The tactics used to put down the protests have stirred anger among secular politicians in Tunisia, who say the new government is adopting the kind of harsh policing employed by Ben Ali.

So much for the Tunisian revolution. One can only hope that the CIA is more adept at placing a replacement puppet dictators who does  a better job than the previous guy.

As for Egypt...

Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi called a Dec. 15 referendum on a draft constitution and urged a national dialogue on the "concerns of the nation" as the country nears the end of the transition from Hosni Mubarak's rule.


Mursi was speaking after receiving the final draft of the constitution from the Islamist-dominated constituent assembly.


"I am issuing my decision to call people for a referendum on the draft constitution on Saturday, Dec. 15," Mursi said in an address to the constituent assembly that approved its final draft on Friday before handing it to Mursi.


Mursi hopes approval of a full constitution approved in a popular referendum will end a crisis over his assumption of sweeping powers by decree.

Mursi may want to learn a lesson or two from the Eurozone: when usurping supreme control from the people, demanding a popular validation of such a fresh dictatorial aspiration is probably not a good idea. Recall how quickly poor former Greek PM G-Pap lost his job when he threatened to ask his people directly if they wanted to be part of a grand technocratic monetarist experiment lead by unelected central planners.

Which only means that the Egypt conflict will get even more acute until one day in the next 1-2 weeks someone remembers, as in 2011, that the Suez Canal is a rather critical point of geographic interest in times when political control in Egypt is falling apart.


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Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:16 | 3026787 zilverreiger
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"Mursi is better known as Morsillini, having granted himself "temporary" dictatorial powers,"

how modest, POTUS has permanent dictatorial powers

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:23 | 3026797 knukles
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So Masters of the Western World.... 

How's this Arab Springie Thingie you so graciously engineered workin' out for ya'?


Ya' know, couldn't have manufactured a better "Permanent Enemy" against which that Conduct of the "Long War" can Continue.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:46 | 3026828 Supernova Born
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America declared independence in 1776 and it has been smooth sailing ever since. [Other than that bloodiest war we ever fought that we fought against "ourselves" and that forgetting how to read the "archaic" English of the Constitution.]

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:50 | 3026862 kaiserhoff
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Funny.  I just read in Andrew Mueller's book I Wouldn't Start From Here, that Tunisia is one of the few places where Arabs and Jews have lived peacefully together for centuries.  Another one bites the dust.

Published by Robert Pelton Young's imprint, the dude who wrote The World's Most Dangerous Places.  Seems to be a lot of competition for that honor.  Gawdhelpus.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 19:45 | 3027069 Cathartes Aura
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possibly because the people are not the nationstate, unless they identify with it - add to that, "Jews" are not necessarily "Zionists" - a different flavoured beast.

from the article:

Tunisia, where the local national guard is firing against its own people once more.

the clue is in the naming:  the local national guard - the guardians of the nationstate - firing on the people, who are NOT the nationstate, they are who the nationstate rules over & seeks payment from.

when people divorce themselves from their masters the nationstate, stop identifying themselves as "nationals" then what is happening now begins to make more sense. . .

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:22 | 3027742 strannick
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Habib Bourgiba, bitchez

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 15:29 | 3028260 saturn
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Will NATO aid with bombing?

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:36 | 3026830 PersonalRespons...
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WAY OT! Please forgive:  I was about to buy, for the first time (scary), some silver from APMEX.  I figure, on here, that many people buy all of the time.  Is there a better method to remove the "over spot" cost?  If not, are they trustworthy?  I'm also going to buy some equipment to check the content, since I'm not going to blindly trust the coins.  Bring on the junking!

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:48 | 3026857 Supernova Born
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Does any outside force have an interest in keeping Egypt chaotic?

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:18 | 3026914 reload
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Is real.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:03 | 3026875 SilverDOG
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Buy local coin shop(s).

Buy constitutional coins, aka junk silver. No need for testing equipment.

Buy with cash, no tracks.

Need volume?

No order of preference, support privately owned.


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Monarch precious metals

Quality Silver Bullion

Boston Bullion

Miles Franklin

Stay away from Apmex, owned by the enemy.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:27 | 3026892 Supernova Born
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As in this thread, chaos was the goal and chaos is what they have.

Bernanke does chaos better than any Bond villian.

What would Bernank's Bond villian name be? Mr. BAnZai has probably already come up with at least a few.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 22:50 | 3027391 americanspirit
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I would add CNI - California Numismatic Investments - to the safe and reliable list. And 100% agree - buy bags of junk silver US coins over everything else. It won't be around much longer.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:48 | 3026967 SilverDOG
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Silver based question however.

Save $$$$$ now, make far more profit later, buy silver!


Gold as well, I agree.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 01:00 | 3027528 PersonalRespons...
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Wish you wouldn't get junked without an explanation why.  Thanks for the link, very interesting.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 20:03 | 3027097 markar
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Apmex may not be the cheapest but they're fast & reliable. Buy small bars or 1oz or less coins. You won't need testing equipment. Send them a check for the cheapest way to purchase. You lock in the price so it's essentially yours while you're waiting for clearance & delivery.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 23:49 | 3027451 James
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Buy Silver Coins, Silver Bullion and Buy Gold | Gainesville Coins

I've also had very good luck @ local pawn or coin shops.


Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:50 | 3026856 macholatte
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How's this Arab Springie Thingie you so graciously engineered workin' out for ya'?


Arab Spring? Wasn't that a jingle invented by an advertising company to promote manure and other forms of bullshit to get those green shoots to sprout Sharia Law all over north Africa and Europe?  No need to worry. Central Banks have been installed and cannot be uninstalled since the Iceland virus has been neutered.


The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country - I know, because I am one of them.
Barack Obama


Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:59 | 3026989 Urban Redneck
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The CIA could replace the puupet dictator in Washington DC, it would be meaningless as long as the Great Satan's printing press is free to export inflation to the already impoverished MENA masses.


Sat, 12/01/2012 - 19:17 | 3027021 knukles
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Oh pshaw Macho...
He wuz referrin' to hiz hun-E, Moochelle.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:56 | 3026981 butchee
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Get ready for Arab Winter.......the feel good story of brutal repression replacing brutal repression.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 19:39 | 3027054 CPL
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To have a war you need oil.


Lots of it.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 20:42 | 3027175 lincolnsteffens
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Nah, Stir them up and let them annihilate each other so we don't have to

spend money and time to do it. Or, stir them up so bad that the whole region

blows up driving up the price of oil etc. The  bankers can reap big profits in the oil

patch. It's just business after all.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:07 | 3027779 midtowng
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the revolutions aren't over. Hopefully the people of the middle east can achieve real democracy before long.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:18 | 3026792 aymankkhlifat
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Mursi try to do somthing deff for the egypt .

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:19 | 3026794 I am Jobe
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Nice going Amerika. Thec clusterfuck of all countries USSA is the best to fuck it all up.


Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:21 | 3026799 PaperBear
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Say hello to the new guy, just as bad as the old guy as it turns out.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:24 | 3026802 knukles
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Absolutely No Freedoms for Women  (chattel)

And Slavery is Legal.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:50 | 3026825 Kitler
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Bastards! (And plagiarists!)

Looks like they were using the Old Testament when they slapped that sucker together. Reads just like the U.S. Constitution before those pesky "amendments" were made.

Even allows military courts to try civilians without having to present evidence. I wonder where they harvested that pearl from?

- An article preserves the right of the military to try civilians before military tribunals in cases for crimes that harm the armed forces without restrictions, despite an outcry from activists who were calling for the abolishing of such tribunals. More than 11,000 civilians were tried before military tribunals during the post-Mubarak transition overseen by the military.

Next thing you know the President of Egypt is going to have his very own "Kill List".

The Mursi things change the Mursi they remain the same...

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:32 | 3026943 Yen Cross
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  This man Kitler  is talking some sense.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:03 | 3026886 PaperBear
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Morsi promises to eliminate constitutional declaration

"Morsi has said that protests on the streets of Cairo and elsewhere around the country were a positive sign that Egypt is on the path to independence asserting that his responsibility is to protect all Egyptians and to safeguard the best interest of the country."

I hope this guy is not a globalist puppet and who will punish him if he breaks this promise ?

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:35 | 3026949 DosZap
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Say hello to the new guy, just as bad as the old guy as it turns out.

Oh,no..............FAR worse, the old guy did not let the Brotherhood run the show.

As I posted here 1-2 weeks ago, the NEW IRAN.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:24 | 3026803 NidStyles
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Haven't the Tyler's read anything written by the Communists/Socialists??? The Revolution doesn't end, it exists merely to perpetrate itself.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:11 | 3026804 Yen Cross
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 I'm delving into, risk off today. I got a few " nuggets" last week. It was painful with the carry costs.

  Something is brewing, and I like it!


   Hey? Where is Tommy Stolper?  squid meister extraordinaire/

     The squidmanite lives/ hey "Tommy Boy" lets sell some brake pads?

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:30 | 3026817 dbTX
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Obama's foriegn policy has just struck one for the little guy. What a sham.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:30 | 3026818 falak pema
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total "surrogate" third world regression is the sign of the circle of destruction moving out. Tipping times.

The "male" civilization wil have to come to terms with "female" civilization the hard way; the ship of gender war is now having to face this choice : in confrontation. AS the Abrahamic culture is now hitting its asymptote. 

The first world exported obscurantism to ensure its "extractive empire"; the chickens come home to roost now for both  : against the artificially resuscitated shadow of the past in third world as against the real beast of hegemonic corruption in first world. 

tipping times chimes. The symmetry is perfect. 

Those who are NOT in the surrogate loop will have the initiative when the curtain falls.

Unless first world reforms in new renaissance! 

But Pax Americana is not on THat page; when you hear the Secratary of State say : Palestine vote is regression as it destroys the ONLY way to ensure true resolution : face to face, one on one, direct negotiation between Israel and Palestine...

That is the give away logic : how can A nuclear armed Goliath negotiate against a David without his sling, on one on one basis? A negotiation to be honest has to be on equal terms on human rights issues. 

For the so called greatest nation to use such shallow logic shows us the First world of Pax AMericana is not in Renaissance mode; its in the very opposite.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:41 | 3026840 Spastica Rex
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The Enlightenment is over, time to move on. Or back. Back, probably.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:00 | 3026878 falak pema
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more like a circle provided we don't fall off the ecological cliff. The rest we know how to handle.

We refound the greek ages; no reason why we won't refind "enlightenment"; temporary breakdown. 

Just keep Don Quichotte handy; it nice for a good laff like a lot of others. 

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 20:10 | 3027116 Cathartes Aura
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in the long term, it will be healthy, but short term, very painful,

The "male" civilization wil have to come to terms with "female" civilization the hard way; the ship of gender war is now having to face this choice : in confrontation. AS the Abrahamic culture is now hitting its asymptote.

in order to come out from under the image-inings of Man, centuries of taking their points of viewing as normal, "women" will need to fight for their own definitions, and this will only happen over time, it's an evolutionary imperative.

the struggle has gone on for centuries of course, but observing the current obvious and apparent shifts backwards towards more men/state control means the fight is intensifying. . . I believe this is also necessary, to find ones strength, and know where one stands.

but yes, it does appear we're in for another religion flavoured Dark Ages, before any Enlightenment will occur. . . we shall see.

birth pangs ^^

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 00:32 | 3027499 magpie
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Hillary, Lagarde and Merkel: Your gender utopia is here and has already fucked things up.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:39 | 3026837 Rogue Trooper
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I, for one, blame BushTM

Gore/more Gore 2016

..let's get this over with!

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:13 | 3026908 kaiserhoff
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Uh, Dude, if you can trade mark blame Bush, I'm going for edumication.

Could we get a ruling on point of order from the lawyers and other cockroaches?

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 17:44 | 3026843 Atomizer
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Attention Comrades:


We've got to pony up your fair percentage to redistribute wealth in anguish of US government subsidized sectors. We've plumb run of revenue and want to reach out to other taxpaying/working Americans to accumulate the slack. Families should never be confronted with a catastrophe of having no food or housing. American workers must Rise Above by cooperative efforts in supporting all new income tax levels alike.


[No CNBS, someone trademarked on Wednesday, November 21, 2012.  SOYEUN D. CHOI of 350 CAMBRIDGE AVE, SUITE 225, PALO ALTO, CA 94306.


Let’s get Choi on TV. Producers/teleprompter anchor staff can line up his exercising equipment, viewers can watch you jog over the fiscal cliff.]



Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:13 | 3026906 Yen Cross
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 Great work as always/

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:25 | 3026926 JR
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“So much for the Tunisian revolution.”

Is that Reuters talking? Did Netanyahu just say that? No. Tyler Durden said that; and as usual, it has become a Zero Hedge tradition that on weekends, economics often takes a backseat to Middle East politics. And more than often, it’s a pro-Israel slant.

Sometimes it’s George Friedman (Stratfor providing tactical strategy on how Israel can best handle Gaza or bomb Iran); from time to time Nazi symbols are used to keep the German-Jewish WWII story alive; lately the Egyptian revolution has been a favorite weekend topic with every effort to support the voices that express a pro-Israel regime to oust and replace Morsi.

The Egyptian revolution is in process with some free elections already held. Additionally,  efforts for peace already have begun in Gaza. Though there is turmoil, protests and unorthodox measures being taken in a very difficult climate with many opposing factions involved (including operatives from Israel and the US) only a fool would predict that more free institutions are not in Egypt’s future.

Would Zero Hedge actually favor a counter revolution bought on by the CIA and Mossad to topple elected governments in Tunisia and Egypt and replace them with US/Israeli puppets?

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:28 | 3026933 Yen Cross
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You are not forgotten J.R.  (Central Africa) is a tinder box!  The Middle East is going to implode, and it's sad/

  That bone head in Egypt can make things right.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 23:24 | 3027426 tip e. canoe
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a suspicious mind might surmise that Morsi got okie-doked into proclaiming those "dictatorial powers", sort of like Saddam got bamboozled into invading Kuwait or Mubarak did for that matter.

p.s. a cure for the weekend warts is not to bend over for the soap above-the-line and go straight for the dirt below.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:34 | 3026944 jonjon831983
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Found where I first heard of Mursi: "Egypt's new president: U.S.-educated Islamist"

via CNN back in June 24, 2012

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 21:17 | 3027224 Offthebeach
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If you want to learn
to hate the west.
US schools are
The best!

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:34 | 3026946 Joe A
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The Arab spring is either a huge fuckup or everything is going according to the plan of domination of Eurasia.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:44 | 3026962 DosZap
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And more than often, it’s a pro-Israel slant.


On the anti Semite Nation Blog??.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 19:11 | 3027010 Yen Cross
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 One of J.R.'s most special traits, is his ability to discuss facts, without being judgemental/ The man is an absolute paragon of justice...

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 18:44 | 3026963 JR
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If Zero Hedge reserves its weekends for Israeli-related material, I’d like to suggest the Egyptian-brokered ceasefire in Gaza or Palestine’s successful U.N. vote as timely topics, rather than a recollection of Mussolini. Then, today, ZH could have recorded Israel’s response to the Palestinian peoples’ effort to reclaim a part of their country as their own -- MASSIVE NEW ILLEGAL EXPANSION OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL.


Israel Authorizes Controversial New Settlements in Revenge for Palestine’s UN Bid

The location of the new settlements are intended to break the contiguity of Palestinian territory in the West Bank, negating two-state solution

by John Glaser, November 30, 2012

Following the overwhelming UN vote for implicit recognition of Palestinian statehood, Israel has authorized the construction of 3,000 more housing units in East Jerusalem and the West Bank and is also speeding up the processing of 1,000 additional planning permissions...

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 19:33 | 3027038 Aurora Ex Machina
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Yeah, it's trending, and not polling well. Multiple threads up all over the sphere, twitter etc, all negative towards Israel, despite counter-influence attacks going on.

Israel has about ~10-20 years before American support drops to a level where it ceases to be important, perhaps less before MIC funding gets pulled. Millenials start voting as a larger block than Boomers, they're fucked. Oh, and in that time-span, a large percentage of the Miami retirees die off, making things Cuban / Latino. Bummer.



Sure, if you can usher in the End Times before that you're gravy, otherwise, this is just madness. Hint: Israel ain't Sparta in this scene.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 22:24 | 3027350 TahoeBilly2012
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Have you lawn jobbed a boomer neighbor latelly? You should!

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 23:00 | 3027393 Aurora Ex Machina
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I'm confused. Is this what you Americans call "Red Neck Humour"? A simple play on "Blow-Job" and menial work?

I apologise: if you want me to break down the voting % of pro-Israeli by age group, in a specific region, I can. I assumed you'd all be sophisticated enough to pull this data yourselves (given your Government gives it out for free). Hint: Miami has a large retirement % of Jewish voters: it's not a racial secret, no-one is setting up camps. And they're dying out, naturally.

The Red-neck thing is really trite unless you're going to reference some David Lynch by the way. Being boring isn't being special or annoying.


I've been told off about snapping at the dogs before, but here you go.


Canis Lupus Lupus. Why should I deny their use? They're loyal, and helped us here, so bleh to the watchers. Their bond is more loyal than the dividends and poison you've spilt; a pox upon your ability to view them as objects.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 22:01 | 3027315 Bear
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Stop the rockets and start negotiating

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 22:36 | 3027366 Jack Burton
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Negotiate what? Israel does not negotiate. They bomb and kill and conquer. Once they have got what they want then they claim you need to negotiate a deal to confirm their conquests.

I suggest Israel thinks they have won big and that the USA will always fund them, arm them and support their nuclear attack force. Well, never say ALWAYS.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 19:12 | 3027012 toomanyfakecons...
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Obama... making the world safe for Islamic dictatorships, one nation at a time.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 19:59 | 3027089 JR
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Is that why Obama’s Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, “fresh off the US vote against Palestinian statehood at the UN General Assembly” is “reiterating that the US ties to Israel are 'stronger than ever' and that they remain committed to Israel"?

Is that way, also according to Jason Ditz yesterday,  AIPAC is predicting “dire consequences” for the Palestinians for having won the vote, confident that Congress will retaliate against the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) for the vote?

In that why, “In the past 10 years alone (written September 2011), Americans have given Israel the equivalent of approximately $200,000 per Israeli family of five. In addition, there have been weapons subsidies, loan forgiveness programs, special trade preferences, and other generous gifts from American taxpayers to Israel. In fact, despite being one of the world’ smallest nations, Israel receives more U.S. tax money than any other country”?

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 21:51 | 3027291 Notarocketscientist
Sat, 12/01/2012 - 21:59 | 3027311 Bear
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And Egypt, Tunsia, the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas are not? The enemy of your ememy is your friend?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 04:56 | 3027661 Zwelgje
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false choice.

it's the same shit.


Sun, 12/02/2012 - 13:30 | 3028159 BraveSirRobin
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It is not a false choice. Go to Gaza or the West Bank and hang out a while. There is so much the media here does not show. Political and gang murders are common. People are routinely tortured, executed, and dragged through the streets. They deliberately target civilians in Israel. The hate mongering indoctrination is sickening. They tie bombs to their children and have them self-detonate on buses and in pizza parlors. They use schools, hospitals, and mosques as military staging areas and as human shields so that if Israel responds, they can parade around dead civilians. They oppress women, non-Islamic peoples, homosexuals. They ban books and literature. They kill each other will glee and abandon. They steal from one another, and intimidation and bribery are a way of life.

If they resorted to non-violence, I could support them, but as is, they are barbarians and evil. I see so much anti-Jewish bigotry on this site, it is really quite frightening and sickening. If the Jews were nurdered in mass, I am quite sure many here would rejoice with glee. Quite disturbing, indeed.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 19:23 | 3027026 Aurora Ex Machina
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Anyone commenting really needs to look into SCAF and what they're thinking.



'Just sayin'

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 21:08 | 3027213 Offthebeach
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It's Springtime in Libya
for the Brotherhood.
In Tunisia they're
happy and gay.

It's Winter in D.C.
and Langley.
Hilery and Hussein
Are sad.

Look out Riyahd, Amman
You're next.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 21:44 | 3027275 Aurora Ex Machina
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So, the CIA is writing off bad tax returns now?


So confuzzled.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 21:56 | 3027305 Bear
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They may be happy ... but I bet they are not very Gay

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 21:56 | 3027304 Bear
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"Tunisia, where the local national guard is firing against its own people once more" ... Different people, same guns

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 22:06 | 3027323 Aurora Ex Machina
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Same Tear Gas[made in USA] I think you meant.

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 22:25 | 3027354 TahoeBilly2012
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Lyndsey Williams said the Arab world and Isreal would left to destroy themselves by the Cartel. Sometimes I wonder if that guy is going to be right in the end...

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 22:45 | 3027382 Sextus Empiricus
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For every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

I've learned that this applies to humans, as well.  The patterns can be detected and predicted before they occur. 

Sat, 12/01/2012 - 22:56 | 3027399 americanspirit
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At least these people are actually in the streets doing revolution. Here in Amerika we're just bullshitting each other and jerking our weenies. When bankers and politicians start falling down with big red third eyes I'll believe all the revolutionary crap - until then its meaningless noise.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 00:10 | 3027477 A Middle Child ...
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Where is Woggie and his beast on the gobble youtube link? I feel cheated!

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 03:04 | 3027622 AnAnonymous
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Bits of difference though.

'Americanism' turns the police, the military and the rest in middle class institutions.

A difference is introduced: in dictatorship, the rulers have to order the Police to shoot on the opponents.
In 'american' societies, the managers often try to rein in the Police so they do not shoot on opponents, by putting more entitlements on the tray.

And 'ameiricanism' has not completely hit the shores of Tunisia, unfortunately for 'american' tunisians who should phone their lawyer, write their congressmen on this obvious double standard treatments.

Usually, when stuff like that happens, 'americans' grace themselves with reaping humanity from scum, rag tag and the rest.

Report that the tunisian police shot on its own people is bad sign. When 'americanism' transformation is complete, the free press shall report about the same incident as shooting on the dregs of humanity or whatever, something whose elimination will end the shame that those sub humans and non humans used to shed on humanity.

So 'Americans' in Tunisia should work their propaganda better, require from their fellow 'americans' a fair and square treatment from the free press. So they can perform their 'american' job under the same light.

JKC, working in such conditions is part of the unalienable human rights: when you eliminate an opposition, you do a favour on humanity, get ridding of lowlifes who should never have been born anyway.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:43 | 3027807 Sandmann
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Hardly Counter-Revolution as it was only a Palace Revolution anyway as in Romania when they shot the Ceausescus. The US has made a mess just as France made a mess in putting Khomeini into Iran to remove US/UK influence. The real turnoil is coming in Europe when Spain expels North Africans and Greece kicks out Syrians and Iraqis and Pakistanis. Then when France explodes.  Be interesting to know how many US troops are earmarked for Counter-Insurgency inside the EU.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:43 | 3027882 Oldrepublic
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See this article by Pepe Escobar of the Asia Times from last year

The cold hard cash counter-revolution


Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:43 | 3027900 falak pema
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Age old policy of divide and rule around the Oil patch, playing on regressionary trends. 

Remember one generalisation of the human trend in the age of obscurantist dogma : all progression of theology is chronological regression of humanity's cause.

Pax Americana like PAx Britannica loves to fester Mahdis to their own cause; even if it backfires from time to time its considered a useful opiate against overt, concerted political patriotism, the true enemy of external hegemony.

Blind the adversary, keep him in opium house. 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 13:11 | 3028136 BraveSirRobin
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Did anyone really ever have any doubt this is how it would turn out? Even the dim bulbs occupying the Oval Office anf Foggy Bottom must have known. They cannot be THAT stupid, can they? Notice too, that the administration is not decrying the use of violence against protesters or condemning the move towards Islamist dictatorship.

Remeber when the people in Iran rose up. Silence.

But secular and pro-western regimes, they have to go.

Don't listen to what they say, boys and girls, look at what they do. The administration is either vastly incompetent, or attempting to support the Islamist revolution.

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