Ron Paul: "Why I Don't Run As An Independent"

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Many have wondered if Ron Paul would have run as an independent. Here is his answer: "[I didn't consider running as an independent because] it is absolutely not practical. This would have been a good year to have an alternative and you can't get much of a showing either on the libertarian side or the green side".... the Republican and Democratics "parties are going to linger because they are locked in by law. The laws are biased against us from competing." So how does one change the two-party system? "You go to the campuses. You rally the young people. You stir up a whole generation of people. Ideas do have consequences and that's where the good news is because the campuses are alive and well with these views and they know the system is bankrupt. And there is this illusion that you can spend endlessly and print endlessly and there will always be credit out there. And so far, so good, but credit can end quickly, the dollar can crash quickly and a new system will have to be developed."

And some parting words on one of Ron Paul's favorite topics: Freedom, or at least the myth thereof:

"The concern about freedom was lost because Freedom creates so much prosperity. People get complacent, then they become materialistic. They find the government: you can make more money by getting a contract from government, than being a genius and being productive. When I first came here in 1976 I was under the impression that if you talk about welfare you talk about those people who won't work and get foodstamps. But have a completely different opinion now: that exists and it's not healthy, but that's minor compared to the "foodstamps" the wealthy get. The wealthy get the contracts and the special deals and that's where the biggest turmoil is." On the future of the Republican and Democrat party: "the parties are going to linger because they are locked in by law. The laws are biased against us from competing.

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Aziz's picture

Tree of liberty, bitchez.

Mae Kadoodie's picture

Young people are Zombies.

Atlas_shrugging's picture

Campuses are indeed alive and well with alternative views...they are also overridden by status quo ivory tower shmucks and debt zombie kids who have already been brainwashed in school before college how to think...correctly

vast-dom's picture

OT: breaking the taboo on war on drugs:


Jones on JPM ads for the drugged on turkey sheeple holidays:


“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” -
Thomas Jefferson


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing
power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

—Thomas Jefferson, 1802

“Paper is poverty,… it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself.” –Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788.

“Experience has proved to us that a dollar of silver disappears for every dollar of paper emitted.” -Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1791.

“The trifling economy of paper, as a cheaper medium, or its convenience for transmission, weighs nothing in opposition to the advantages of the precious metals… it is liable to be abused, has been, is, and forever will be abused, in every country in which it is permitted.”–Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813.

“Scenes are now to take place as will open the eyes of credulity and of insanity itself, to the dangers of a paper medium abandoned to the discretion of avarice and of swindlers.” –Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814.

“It is a cruel thought, that, when we feel ourselves standing on the firmest ground in every respect, the cursed arts of our secret enemies, combining with other causes, should effect, by depreciating our money, what the open arms of a powerful enemy could not.” –Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, 1779.

“We should try whether the prodigal might not be restrained from taking on credit the gewgaw held out to him in one hand, by seeing the keys of a prison in the other.” –Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Pleasants, 1786.

“That we are overdone with banking institutions which have banished the precious metals and substituted a more fluctuating and unsafe medium, that these have withdrawn capital from useful improvements and employments to nourish idleness, that the wars of the world have swollen our commerce beyond the wholesome limits of exchanging our own productions for our own wants, and that, for the emolument of a small proportion of our society who prefer these demoralizing pursuits to labors useful to the whole,
the peace of the whole is endangered and all our present difficulties produced, are evils more easily to be deplored than remedied.” –Thomas Jefferson to Abbe Salimankis, 1810.

“The banks… have the regulation of the safety-valves of our fortunes, and…condense and explode them at their will.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1819.

“I sincerely believe… that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816.

“The incorporation of a bank and the powers assumed [by legislation doing so] have not, in my opinion, been delegated to the United States by the Constitution. They are not among the powers specially enumerated.” –Thomas Jefferson: Opinion on Bank, 1791.

“It has always been denied by the republican party in this country, that the Constitution had given the power of incorporation to Congress. On the establishment of the Bank of the United States, this was the great ground on which that establishment was combated; and the party prevailing supported it only on the argument of its being an incident to the power given them for raising money.” –Thomas Jefferson
to Dr. Maese, 1809.

“[The] Bank of the United States… is one of the most deadly hostility existing, against the principles and form of our Constitution… An institution like this, penetrating by its branches every part of the Union, acting by command and in phalanx, may, in a critical moment, upset the government. I deem no government safe which is under the vassalage of any self-constituted authorities, or any other authority
than that of the nation, or its regular functionaries. What an obstruction could not this bank of the United States, with all its branch banks, be in time of war! It might dictate to us the peace we should accept, or withdraw its aids. Ought we then to give further growth to an institution so powerful, so hostile?” –Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1803.

“If the debt which the banking companies owe be a blessing to anybody, it is to themselves alone, who are realizing a solid interest of eight or ten per cent on it. As to the public, these companies have banished all our gold and silver medium, which, before their institution, we had without interest, which never could have perished in our hands, and would have been our salvation now in the hour of war; instead of which they have given us two hundred million of froth and bubble, on which we are to pay them heavy interest, until it shall vanish into air… We are warranted, then, in affirming that this parody on the principle of ‘a public debt being a public blessing,’ and its mutation into the blessing of private instead of public debts, is as ridiculous as the original principle itself. In both cases, the truth is, that capital may be produced by industry, and accumulated by economy; but jugglers only will propose to create it by legerdemain tricks with paper.” –Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813.

These international “banksters” finally succeeded in 1913 with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act. This bill, previously orchestrated by Nelson Aldrich, was soundly defeated under President Taft. In order to defeat Taft, the banking community backed Woodrow Wilson, and, to ensure his victory, encouraged ex- President Teddy Roosevelt to run again in order to siphon votes from the popular Taft. Wilson won by 42%, then slipped the Act through a bare quorum of Congress on December 23, 1913 after most of the opposition had gone home for the holidays.

Race Car Driver's picture

I junked you for the thread-jack.

Tho, it's prolly better to read your post than some inane blather about Ron Paul's credibility. Go to the campuses, indeed... what a laugh.

How many millions has Ron Paul collected for his own private use from people who want to believe? He sells his own brand of snake oil.

Poetic injustice's picture

I nuked you for being total nihilist and overall douchebag.

Race Car Driver's picture

Lol... 'nuked' - I like it. Good on you for at least owning it. :)

mjcOH1's picture

"Campuses are indeed alive and well with alternative views...they are also overridden by status quo ivory tower shmucks and debt zombie kids who have already been brainwashed in school before college how to think...correctly"


I made it to Paul's Michigan State rally leading up to the primary.   My wife and I were among the older attendees.   The crowd, as you'd expect, were mostly students.

Although they obviously did NOT have opinions typical for their age group....they got it.   They know they're screwed.   And although they're racking up debt at the same rate as their peers (and will probably default on it at the same rate as their peers given the economic realities), there is a percentage of young people who want their country back.   Not the "I'm entitled to whatever I say I want" fantasy of America shared by most of their peers, as surveys show.   But a country that doesn't hand them an extra $1.5 trillion in new debt every year in exchange for the votes of the entitled.

It was both an interesting and a sad experience.   I wish them all the best of luck.   They will need it.

ArsoN's picture

Recently spent a little time on couple of college campuses picking up 19 year old girls a grad degree.  Really felt like the mainstream doesn't quite appreciate how much support Ron Paul gets in that age group.  It's not just the legalize marry-j crowd either (although they're there too).  Saw plenty of type A personality worker bees types with plenty of interest in politics.

It seems that once someone really understands the libertarian point of view it tends to stick.  Will be interesting to see what happens 4, 8, 12 years from now.  

SeattleBruce's picture

"Tho, it's prolly better to read your post than some inane blather about Ron Paul's credibility."

I'm sure you would have, and are doing so much better than Paul did and is going to do.../s 

Paul aint perfect.  But we can only play the hand we're dealt.

LeisureSmith's picture

Bill Clinton speaking against The war on drugs...Is that like Al Capone speaking against the Volstead act? Having the president of Coke in a film on drugs prohibition. Wow. Bill the shill, what a confidence man.

A Nanny Moose's picture

...who "did not inhale." At least thats the line we were fed when he was campaigning. He's got an angle on this for sure.

LeisureSmith's picture

He's got an angle allright...He's also got more skeletons in the basement than the fucking Vatican. The (aledged) bodycount and kilos in transit from his days as the Gov. of Arkansas is pretty impressive.

earleflorida's picture

 @ vast dom

"The major fruit of the Norman [Gov. BOE _1918-28?; worked at Brown Brothers/Wall Street Firm// later to merge with Harriman,ie. #41 & #43 family ties?], and Strong [Gov. N.Y. Fed.: Ny Fed controls the Central Bank, period!; ~1913-1928;deceased/ J.P. Morgan puppeteer?] collaboration was Strong's being pressured to inflate money and credit [J.P.Morgan & Co. in 1914 had secured priority of being the sole fiscal agents' for the warring British and French Gov't., ...virtually monopolizing the underwriting for their war bonds in the United States- besides the central authority of organizing and channeling war purchases for the two Allied nations] in the U.S. throughout the 1920's in order to keep England from losing gold to the U.S. from its inflationary policies.  Briton's predicament came from its insistence on going back to the 'Gold Standard' after the war at the highly overvalued pre-war par for the pound, and then insisting on inflating rather than deflating to make its exports competitively priced in the world market. Hence, Britain needed to induce other countries, particularly the U.S., to inflate along with it.  The Strong-Norman connection did the job, setting the stage for the great financial collapse of 1929-31."

Note:  This current scenario is playing out in the world today... in particular the U.S. and U.K.! There's a tightly woven political collaboration today... since its inception, beginning in 1913 at Jekyll Island and including pre-WW1 too the present day [jmo].

Ps. I'd like to thank you Vast-Dom for all the labor you put in your comments :-))

Important: From "Wall Street, Banks, and American Foreign Policy" by Murray N. Rothbard... this quoted paragraph is from pg 16; Sect: 'The Fortuitous Fed'

thankyou Tyler 

piliage's picture

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” -
Thomas Jefferson

 I don't know where you found this quote, but it certainly isn't Jeffersonian. It doesn't sound like anything he would write, he is far more articulate than that. There are a lot of BS bumper sticker soundbites being ascribed to the founding fathers, duping people on the internet. Jefferson didn't write slogans, and this sounds like five or six of those strung together.

This is a quote by Jefferson from his letter to John Taylor. The letter is fantastic, as it also lays out Jefferson's reasoning behind a republic, and the impracticality of direct democracy in America.

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale"




caconhma's picture

You people are not very bright. There is no way the present political system/environment can be changed and/or modified by talking and talking and talking.

Look at Ron Paul. Did he achieve anything except some excitement on a few websites? No. He is gone and forgotten.

The political system that kept him feeding at the government trough for the last 30 years just got rid of him. All these primaries were bogus. The owners of this country just conducted another public show making people to believe that they have a choice. Well, they don’t. Ron Paul was another actor (even if he thought differently). This is all. He never had a prayer of being elected or for this matter being heard by millions.

The present political situation in America is simple: the political system is utterly corrupt and the economy is going down a toilet. We are just following Greece, Spain, Italy, etc.,  What will be next? More military adventures and more military & economic failures with economy started to disintegrate and collapse. Then there will be infightings inside the owners of this country and this will be the real thing. What will follow? Nobody knows but it will be brutal and bloody. Very bloody.


icanhasbailout's picture

I love people who have gotten so old they forgot what it was like to be young.


May I never become so crochety and amnesiac.

Contemplate_'s picture

I can't say your pessisism is undeserved. But hold out a little hope. I am a young college student and I am aware of the matrix my parents and most of my generation live in. But for every leader, there are legions of followers.

It is up to us young champions of liberty to wake up our fellow humans and articulate our cause properly. I am doing that, and I know others are too. The enlightened will rebuild a world that cherishes freedom, responsibility, and compassion. There will be great obstacles to overcome, and many minds to change, but I swear to you it will be accomplished.

juangrande's picture

"young people are zombies"... by design!

juangrande's picture

"young people are zombies"... by design!

fonzannoon's picture

The republican party is done. The democrats are enjoying their time in the sun and will most likely be in power when everything comes crashing down. At that point either some semblance of a group of reasonable people will form a new party and we can start over or it's the dark ages again.

machineh's picture

The democrats are enjoying their time in the sun and will most likely be in power when everything comes crashing down.

Hey, it worked for George W. Bush. He even got re-elected after everything came crashing down.

Worked for Clinton too [WTC round 1 and OKC].

What'll our imaginative leaders demolish this time?

So much infrastructure, so little time! ;-)

nmewn's picture

The Grand Old Party was done a long time ago..."Read My Lips".

You cannot bargain in good faith with known thieves...this latest MSM driven tripe is an example. Why are we talking about a "fiscal cliff" in terms of a tax on "the rich" which will amount to 70-80 billion a year when the annual deficit ALONE is over a trillion?

Look!!!...over there!!!...its a shiny penny!!!

fonzannoon's picture

You said a few weeks ago nmewn 'lets just call the whole thing off". I am in complete agreement. this mess is too big. I almost trust no one to come in and clean it up.

nmewn's picture

I trust no one currently in DC to clean up anything.

Let it burn...its very cleansing ;-)

And on that cheery note, I'm going to hang up Christmas lights.


centerline's picture

Damn.  That reminds me I have to do the same thing tomorrow.

As far as RP is concerned, he never expected to win.  Not a chance.  He knows the system is going to break and wanted to leave a legacy of having pointed it out.

I am a RP fan, but I will probably get bashed for this...

If RP really challenged the status quo in a dangerous way, he would have been out... one way or the other.  So, he played within the boundaries.  His position is something that could give the Republicans credibility at some point depending on how the game goes down.  Following in this train of thought, RP has voiced his opinion quite strongly about "sound money" (whatever that is) and opposition to the FED.  Since I am a believer that the FED was built to be dismantled, RP's serves purposes for both himself and system.  The truth being stranger than fiction, nothing suprises me anymore.  "What a tangled web has been woven" is a analogy that comes to mind.

koncaswatch's picture

+1 centerline : "...he played within the bounderies".

Those that complain that RP "never did anyting" or "never accomplished anything" miss this entirely. He was  efficacious; we will see the results after the collapse in the form of a group of knowledgeable people driving the subsequent reform.

Cathartes Aura's picture

RPaul did some of his work behind the scenes, on behalf of his party, whether acknowledged or not.

that he also spent a lot of time rallying the "youth vote" could be seen in many ways, including setting up the future voters to rally round the Rand when the time comes.  he was always in it for the long haul, baby steps along the way.

brand name, that's how the corporations work isn't it?  get 'em young.

if he "woke up" some people along the way, as many here say they feel he did, then great - just don't sit back and think you know the whole game - Paul shows clearly he's a team player, so keep thinking, keep your minds open, and keep learning - if you truly want to know what's up in this system, don't take sides within it!

FreedomGuy's picture

Although there is not a lot of legislation with his name on it I think he has had major influence on the platform and the debate withing the Republican party. He is the "outlier" in the Rebublican party but every other candidate feared his enthusiastic followers and the chastisement contained within his messages.

Cathartes Aura's picture

as long as you include the caveat "within the Republican Party" then yes, I agree with you.

he's been excellent at keeping his flock inside the pens. . .

The Story of Your Enslavement


the final words should resonate.

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piliage's picture

How soon people forget that bill clinton didn't win because of the republican's implosion, but because of the success of Ross Perot, who in the summer before the election was leading in the pols and took votes away from Bush the elder.

My feeling on this has always been that Ron Paul wanted to play spoiler similar to Ross Perot, and have an impact on the content of the election. Why did bill clinton cut welfare? Because Ross Perot forced fiscal restraint as a key part of the election debates.

Cathartes Aura's picture

the Billy goat was a Rhodes Scholar, and handpicked by the burger-builders.

he had a script, as do all of those narcissists chosen to be the Face of the Przzydent

RPaul had his own part in the Play, and keeps to his script, even now - and his Son will do the same.

juangrande's picture say fiscal,

I say fiasco.

Fiscal, fiasco. Let's call the whole thing off!

quasimodo's picture

Sadly, my fear is it will be the dark ages first, then maybe...just maybe, reasonable heads will prevail--and even that is a big damn maybe.

The system will need to be purged of the "me first" mindset that is stuck in the heads of so many sheeple, be it a change of attitude or "other". The fact it all comes crashing down with the dems behind the wheel would be the icing on the cake(if only for fucks like pewlosi, harry etc) but there are plenty of drones on the other side-goes without saying.

dark pools of soros's picture

If there is another dark age, reasonable heads will roll

11b40's picture

The problm is, once it all tumbles down, the forces who come out on top will probably not be very democratic. 

Now, once a strongman siezes control, and one will, the tools he will have to STAY in control are so much more immense than is the past, it will be almost impossible to maount a meaningful resistance.  Monitoring communications, GPS pin-pointing, Drones, etc., are things that tyrants of the past did not have.  George Orwell was right.  He just had the timing wrong.

Urban Redneck's picture

There is a flip side to that- the ease of organization and information dissemination.

Technology has reduced the operational overhead for both sides.

If we had to go back to a secret society communication model with today's unenlightened airhead masses, we would be screwed.

11b40's picture

I agree that the Internet and other technologies have provided great tools for spreading information and resistance.  However, there is a kill switch for the Internet, and all electronic communications seem to be able to be monitored. 

My concerns are when a strongman does finally get control.  Never have the tools of control been more effecient than they are today.  The power of the state is long as those in control can keep the army and police on their side. 

To me, that is still a big question in America.  We may fuss and fight about the particulars, but there is still a huge amount of patriotism here.  We mostly still agree that men should be free and individual liberty does have meaning.  There is a Constitution whose fine points are arguable, but the main constructs are deeply ingrained.  Would you betray the Constitution and turn on your fellow citizen?  Of course, some will, and some won't.  The questions is, how many of each are there in the Military and Police forces?

Urban Redneck's picture

My impression is that by the time the current and recent despots have gotten around to throwing the kill switch, the shit has already hit the fan.  However, for places with existing and extremely active internet "filters" such as China and to a lesser degree Iran- the case is much more murky.

A strong man coming to power doesn't worry me so much, since there are too many people who know too many weak points of critical systems, and there is not enough State manpower to defend them all, much less simultaneously oppress to the masses, even without the expected significant defections.  My concern is what the human cost of that battle would actually be, since the under-engineered system that is critical to supporting life for 300 million people could never withstand a few good brains with a few thousand good bodies returning fire against tyranny, much less Civil War part 2.

Applying a historical population curve for the city of Rome to just the major urban population centers of the US would be horrific.

Maghreb's picture

Who says it hasn't already come down? Just because the cult of personality hasn't formed doesn't mean someone isn't there or being groomed for the position. You don't think the Fed's don't have a list of Ron Paul supporters being cross checked with a list of Gun Owners. A little project under the working title of "willing patsies". You don't think Ron Paul isn't smart enough to know that?

Bobbyrib's picture

"The system will need to be purged of the "me first" mindset that is stuck in the heads of so many sheeple, be it a change of attitude or "other". "

This is going to have to be some dark age.

HurricaneSeason's picture

We need to vote more directly on issues instead of people represeting "us" that we don't know and don't know us. Eventually, that is sure to happen. If media wasn't so owned, they could try and promote polls on issues that would poll millions of people instead of 1000. Not registered voters wanting to vote themselves a raise but EVERYBODY that has a unique internet identification. It wouldn't be hard to prove the representatives don't represent the people at that point. Instead of a childish 100,000 signatures to secede maybe 100 million votes for a real issue. I don't take any prescription medication, but Canada pays about 1/3rd the price for prescription medications we do, even though the pharmaceutical companies live here and other countries pay less. There is nobody in congress to represent Americans on an issue like that because the congressmen are bribed and there is no lobbying group to represent Americans on that issue. Change social security to begin at 70? Why should they "represent" us on an issue like that? We aren't capable to vote on an issue like that? Just vote for a person we don't know to make the decision?

dark pools of soros's picture

You are suppose to be concerned on either gay rights or gun rights - stop over thinking it

HurricaneSeason's picture

I don't think it takes a congressional genius to decide those issues either, just bribes and campaign contributions that are all wasted funds. There could be a forced film on the pluses and minuses of gayness and gunness and a pop quiz prior to casting a vote to insure an informed electorate that we don't have now. I doubt congress can do any better at selecting the right aircraft or tank than a general vote if 10 million votes can be tabulated. The first country to do it using the internet will be the first democracy.

Charles Bishop Weyland's picture

 What about GAY gun rights? CAN'T FORGET THOSE.