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A FLiNG Ain't What It Used To Be

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There was a time when flings (insert personal contextual experience) used to be simple, impromptu, largely trivial things seeking instant gratification. That was until Shell's Floating Liquid Natural Gas facility, or FLiNG, came along: currently being built in the South Korean shipyards (largely unoccupied in the past several years after a surge in dry bulk container ship construction left the industry with a massive inventory glut and little demand for its precision engineering), this behemoth of a ship, measuring nearly half a kilometer in length, and displacing 600,000 tonnes of water, will be the world's largest offshore floating facility when deployed 200 km off the north-west coast of Australia in 2017 to process the recently discovered Prelude and Concerto gas fields. It will also likely revolutionize the field of Liquified Natural Gas extraction.

Natural gas is one of the cleanest burning fossil fuels, in relative abundance, extremely versatile and energy rich, and in a world in which reliance on foreign crude, much of in inhospitable hands, will likely play an ever greater role in energy production. It is also very "green", as it consumes less fresh water and takes up less land per unit of energy delivered. Yet one of the historical drawbacks is that traditional transportation options are limited, and extraction facilities are very bulky and complex, highly engineered and not geared toward deep sea exploration where environmental and extraction costs are prohibitive, requiring subsea pipelines traveling hundreds of kilometers to a mainland LNG facility, thus curbing one of the largest potential sources of natural gas in the world: those located underwater. All this may change with the arrival of Floating Liquid Natural Gas facilities, such as Shell's 488 meter FLNG.

The FLiNG in context:

Developed after 10 years of research, using 600 engineers, and 1.6 million man-hours (182.5 years equivalent), Shell has manged to compact the size of a traditional LNG plant to a quarter of its land size. As Wired explains: "by stacking components vertically and using deep-sea water to cool the gas to its liquid state, the FLNG saves dramatically on deck space and enables the whole facility to occupy an area of roughly 4 football pitches: 28,500 square meters. One of its most innovative features involves the the plant's unique location: an assembly of eight one-meter diameter pipes will extend 150m below the ocean's surface, delivering around 50 million liters of cold seawater an hour, used to cool the gas."

Another cool feature: the "anchoring" mechanism. "The FLNG is set to remain on location for 25 years before returning to dock, in which time it can expect to meet its fair share of stormy weather. Although its sheer size will help in coping with the high winds and giant waves, one of the largest mooring systems in the world has been designed to help guarantee safety. A 105-meter turret will run through the facility and secure it to the seabed using mooring chains, while three 6,700 horsepower engines will turn it according to wind conditions."

Good: because if the tiny by comparison BP Deepwater Horizon rig caused such catastrophic environmental havoc after one mishap, the last thing nature will need is half kilometer large flaming barges, floating out of control in the deep seas.

The bottom line: one FLiNG can produce 5.3 million tonnes of LNG, Liquified Petroleum Gas and condensate per year. Once operational, it, and its peers, will have a decided impact on the logistics, infrastructure and geopolitical balance of power in a world in which energy (and food) will continue to play the most dominant marginal role.


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Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:15 | 3027668 Catch-22
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Soon to be the worlds biggest submarine...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 07:24 | 3027721 Bicycle Repairman
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" Shell's Floating Liquid Natural Gas facility, or FLiNG [...] will be the world's largest offshore floating facility when deployed 200 km off the north-west coast of Australia in 2017 to process the recently discovered Prelude and Concerto gas fields. It will also likely revolutionize the field of Liquified Natural Gas extraction."

Uh oh, time for yet another rewrite on Hubbert.  Peak oil by 2050, bitchez!!

Unless the oceans rise another 20 feet first. 

Can this "Fling" handle another 20 feet of ocean?

What about the polar bears?

Everybody turn your thermostats to 63.  NOW!

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:36 | 3027748 Dr. Sandi
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Uh oh, time for yet another rewrite on Hubbert.  Peak oil by 2050, bitchez!!

Hubbert was writing about oil. This is not oil.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:43 | 3027754 GetZeeGold
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Peak oil by 2050, bitchez!!


Naw, there will still be oil....but your grandkids will be to poor to afford it.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:32 | 3027878 CPL
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Most people can't afford it now.


Long horses and oats.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 14:32 | 3028219 A Nanny Moose
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Horseshit is renewable.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:21 | 3028429 Manthong
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JHC, that thing is big.

“A FLiNG Ain't What It Used To Be".. at sea.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:39 | 3027751 Reformed Sheep
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Why a rewrite on Hubbert? Seems we're moving to extract difficult NatGas preciseley because Hubbert was right...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:06 | 3027949 Spastica Rex
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You're just picking nits.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:12 | 3027961 FeralSerf
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If I turn my thermostat to 63, my A/C goes on.  How's that going to help?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 14:35 | 3028223 A Nanny Moose
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Sounds exactly like a typical gummint solution to the problem.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 07:43 | 3029152 mind_imminst
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Funny, my thermostat is on 63, right now, has been for years.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:34 | 3027746 jekyll island
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I'm not buying the propaganda.  Is there a sunken Russian nuclear sub off the coast of Australia close to the NG fields? 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 13:44 | 3028172 AmericanFUPAcabra
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Anyone have ol' Howard Hughes on speed dial.... Oh wait

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:46 | 3027811 cossack55
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Rather than FLING, how about MOAFB (Mother Of All Floating Bombs).

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 13:48 | 3028180 AGuy
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About 75 years ago, the Germans built the biggest ship in the world. I was an ship designed to carry a volatile gas too. In 1937 when it docked in NJ it suddely exploded. "Oh the humanity!"


Hint: Hindenburg.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:49 | 3028385 Urban Redneck
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A picture of the proposed FLNG next to one of the LNG tankers it would load

CFR (Terrorist Briefing Book) Liquefied Natural Gas: A Potential Terrorist Target?

SNL (Sandia Nerdspeak) Guidance on Risk Analysis and Safety Implications of a Large LNG Spill Over Water

Youtube - a 34,000 gallon train tank car going boom (imagine over 1,850 of these going off simultaneously)


Sweet dreams.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:55 | 3027818 Long-John-Silver
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Soon to be the worlds biggest submarine...

After it becomes the worlds largest fireball.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:28 | 3027872 CPL
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World's biggest floating bomb more like.


Could you imagine if it was loaded with NG and it went up in smoke?  Ecological disaster aside, you'd be able to see it from space if someone fired a bunch of stingers at it..


Hope they build a couple of naval carriers to defend it.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:35 | 3027881 Stuck on Zero
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Renamed: The FLamiNG.


Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:28 | 3027994 CPL
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It would be a prize for a pirate as well.  Hope they don't intend to float anywhere near Somalia. 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:39 | 3028007 Money Squid
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" Ecological disaster aside,..."

The engineers thought this through - the fireball will be so large and so intense that it will sanitize everything. Nothing will be left, therefore no ecological disaster.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 23:19 | 3028832 Illusory logic
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Ever see the movie "Syriana"?  Nuff said.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 13:30 | 3028156 GottaBKiddn
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Brilliantly designed unmissable torpedo target.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:18 | 3027669 Poor Grogman
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"The FLNG is set to remain on location for 25 years before returning to dock"


Almost worth giving it a proper name and its own government and postcode.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:25 | 3027670 AUD
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It'll be the new Christmas Island.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:31 | 3027676 Catch-22
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Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:38 | 3027679 Catch-22
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...I gave you up arrows just for participating...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:58 | 3027694 bank guy in Brussels
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And after that it will become Kevin Costner's boat for Waterworld Part II

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:45 | 3027757 GetZeeGold
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When reality sucks even worse than the movie.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:04 | 3027945 GMadScientist
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Waterworld Part II: Golden Showers

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 06:58 | 3027715 savagegoose
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people will  be crashing into it, and asking for asylum

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:04 | 3027943 GMadScientist
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More like boarding it and demanding ransom, but yeah.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:53 | 3028035 Pool Shark
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More like sneaking onto it and demanding welfare benefits and free tuition...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:37 | 3027750 Dr. Sandi
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Can they open up their own central bank?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:15 | 3027968 post turtle saver
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Biggest... floating casino... EVAR...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:38 | 3028006 BurningFuld
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That's why it stays at sea. No country of origin = NO TAXES   Brilliant, it can sneak around the world and steal off shore gas.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:26 | 3027671 Catch-22
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Fling? More like a commitment...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:41 | 3027680 BattlegroundEur...
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ppffft.   nothing a "terrorist" speed boat, filled with explosive material, could not take out.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 15:05 | 3028247 mkhs
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By terrrorist, are you referring to Michigan militia, Tea Party, gold and food hoarding libertarian, or average US citizen?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:41 | 3027681 BattlegroundEur...
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ppffft.   nothing a "terrorist" speed boat, filled with explosive material, could not take out.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:46 | 3027682 Catch-22
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Sun, 12/02/2012 - 07:25 | 3027722 Bicycle Repairman
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Yeah.  I agree.  And my "green" energy investments can't go any lower, can they?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:36 | 3027747 jekyll island
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Sun, 12/02/2012 - 12:03 | 3028057 garypaul
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Yes it's true that the "green" stuff is just BS, but that does more to prove the Peak Oil theory not disprove it...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:34 | 3028679 NidStyles
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Does more to prove that Mises was correct than anything.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:49 | 3027685 Catch-22
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Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:49 | 3027686 gratefultraveller
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"Petroleum" in the last paragraph would have to be "Natural". Just saying.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:54 | 3027691 Catch-22
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...very perspicacious of you...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 05:59 | 3027693 balolalo
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Perfect.  Exaclty what the oceans need, more heat.  And what the air needs, more greenhouse gases.  All to prmote a suicidal paradigm.   It's like hitting the gas when approaching the cliff....   

By evolutionary standrds, this would be called maladaptive evolution.

There wll be a price to pay for this.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 06:07 | 3027702 UP Forester
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Wow, you really got me thinking with that one.

Good thing undersea volcanoes are a myth....

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:14 | 3027964 Urban Redneck
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and methane clathrate

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 14:58 | 3028242 Flakmeister
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And your point being??

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:35 | 3028682 NidStyles
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That you should just end your life willingly rather than telling us to end ours.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 01:11 | 3028958 Flakmeister
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Do you always deliberately misrepresent people?

I admit that on occasion I am guilty of telling asshats to go fuck themselves here at ZH, but as a rule I don't tell them to go kill themselves...

In fact unless you can link a post that backs your claim, it would  be best if you simply STFU or better yet go off and join the Ron Paul pity-party circle jerk... That is more your style, really...

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 04:58 | 3029075 NidStyles
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I've read your posts long enough to know what sort of person you are.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 09:59 | 3029375 Flakmeister
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Just like you "know" about global warming..

Yeah, sure, anything you say....

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 06:10 | 3027704 Spitzer
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Its almost 2013

Global warming was a hoax.

Get over it

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:26 | 3027795 stant
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global warming was a distraction while they were causing global poverty

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:26 | 3027869 GetZeeGold
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Al Gore has a fever.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:11 | 3027959 Urban Redneck
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Krugman is envious (on multiple levels)...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 07:18 | 3027719 Bicycle Repairman
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balolalo, no worries, I've got a snorkel.   Oh and then theres this: go fuck yourself.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 07:30 | 3027727 overmedicatedun...
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well this proves the end of oil is near...LOL as nat gas gets cheaper and more and more is produced and we do not have to guess if this data is right for some one is spending $$$$ to build this ship..

to the end of oil types you just got blown outta the water by the methane whale which is the source of our oil not dead organic energy just got cheaper ...there are so many on zh who screamed and fell silent ..

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 18:11 | 3028485 Matt
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Since when is natural gas getting cheaper and cheaper? Remember, these guys are working on the global scale, not the local market of the United States. The price spread between markets is getting wider and wider.

Does this thing only do extraction, or can you hook it up to existing pipeline and have it harvest cheap American nat gas and transport it to Japan? 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 09:04 | 3058793 Bicycle Repairman
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"Since when is natural gas getting cheaper and cheaper?"

Since the last 5 years.

"The price spread between markets is getting wider and wider. [...] can you hook it up to existing pipeline and have it harvest cheap American nat gas and transport it to Japan?"

There is no pipeline to Japan.  That's the beauty of Nat Gas.  It can't be transported economically except by pipeline.  North American gas stays in North America.  And shithead "traders" and their enforcers get cut out of the action.  Fuck the global "price spread".  It can't be arbitraged by shithead traders.

And in conclusion, fuck energy "traders".

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 06:00 | 3027696 Boxed Merlot
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It certainly answers the perennial problem of nimby attitudes current facilities face, especially when they are of neccesity required to be placed near coastal and well populated areas.  I do hope it's powered by its own nuclear reactor. 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 06:09 | 3027703 Catch-22
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Done with offshoring jobs... Now its facilities...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:53 | 3027817 css1971
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Move entire factories to the highest bidder.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:30 | 3027995 GMadScientist
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If you had angry Nigerian rebels blowing your shit up daily, you'd probably move production offshore too.



Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:43 | 3028018 Money Squid
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"Done with offshoring jobs... Now its facilities..."

If I understand this article correclty the boat is offshore. So, these jobs will be offshore. The workers can now be from any country, no passport, no papers.....right? The ship can be registered anywhere. Will there be a point of entry with TSA agents jamming their fist up your ass to see if you are hiding anything? Giant offshore facilities will be there own little countries.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:38 | 3028686 NidStyles
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It was bound to happen eventually.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 06:04 | 3027699 Catch-22
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...did it really need to be that big... Or is it one of those dick thing?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 18:12 | 3028487 Matt
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Sun, 12/02/2012 - 06:11 | 3027705 Spitzer
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I guess $1.50 nat gas didn't matter...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 12:30 | 3028097 Terminus C
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maybe they know something...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 18:14 | 3028492 Matt
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Maybe they know that if natural gas is $2 in one place, and $17 in another place straight across a body of water, then an opportuniy exists to profit.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 06:12 | 3027706 Mentaliusanything
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Finally something I can partisipate in. yes it is huge but do you know that under the blue sea is so much gas that we (Australia) is giving it away at pennies on the pound. for example Japan has long range contract for supply that make it appear that we are giving it away. yes we are. the amount of gas available is beyond comprehention. however Woodside( Who I am an original stockholder @ $2 at float) knows that to develop the third train is very expensive. beware this thing is so massive it makes fracking for methane appear as it is, a road to broken dreams. beware this gas thing is in a bubble that makes the housing bubble look like a walk in the park. a lot of frakers will go broke very quickly when faced with the cheaper and 30 year developed NW Shelf. Those who came first and develop to this degree will be in front. How do I know. Well it has been my worst investment ever

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 07:11 | 3027716 Mentaliusanything
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Up Forester, 

 go fuck yourself ..If you capable of the reach around

I stand as a person who warns you of yet another bubble and you direct me to a dictionary of English... wtf

go and stick your very short dick up the first available hole you can find.Ive been here since God found reality.

P.s use lots of lub because your as tight as a fishes ass and remember to relax as you stick our pre pubesant dick up what ever you find makes  you think your a man child. Tyler the trolls are out of control. I read a reply from someone today about a women with a 100 inch ass which sickened me. you have my complete sanction to pull out your not conciderable fire power and dispatch the haters 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 07:27 | 3027725 Dapper Dan
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Smashing good reply Mental,  green arrow up for you!

For the record I hate hate.

"The only way to fight hate is with even more hate" - Eric Cartman (South Park)


Sun, 12/02/2012 - 12:01 | 3028046 Pool Shark
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 [P.S. I can't stand intolerant people...]

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 13:52 | 3028169 AssFire
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RE: The 100" ass comment.

If you are a woman with a 100" ass you are unemployable.

If you are of her race there is only a 25% chance you have a spouse... then there is only a 25% chance he has an non-government job that requires work doing something that actually creates wealth (in the Austrian sense of the word).

Too many white apologists want to kill the messenger about the 800 lb elephant (literally) that is that spewing out more takers which she is physically, or economically incapable of providing for.

The above progressives demand taking from people who have done everything right in life- (those who studied, saved, and played by the rules) so that they can feel better about the artificial guilt created by years of indoctrination from the progressives.

To ignore this class of people and the illegal immigrant problem is to ensure the destruction of this country.

They don't want the destruction these groups create mentioned anywhere: from a description of suspects in crimes in the media to here on a blog...They can't handle the truth and want it suppressed, even though we clearly see the elephant.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:11 | 3027840 Karlus
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"I read a reply from someone today about a women with a 100 inch ass which sickened me. "

Hit a little too close to home, eh?

This is the Fight Club, man up and rub a little dirt on your butthurt, or hush up and know your role.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 13:03 | 3028129 literarybeer
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what is this shit i hear at zh from time to time about this being Fight Club? dillusions of granduer come to mind when hearing that. this is a silly website where people can come act pissed about politics, central banks, fiat or whatever is the flavor of the day. this will change nothing so calm down.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 13:58 | 3028181 AssFire
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To discuss it and prepare for it is what we are doing. You, like the other apologists, stick your head in the sand and we will be the catalyst that brings about the demise of the sick reward system that our goobermint has imposed upon us.

Your 16 weeks here is a short time to categorize this website as silly- it is one of the few places where people can slug it out without moderation. It is precisely why progressives lose every fight here: the truth can be stated, not moderated to fit the nanny state lies.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 14:46 | 3028231 Karlus
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Im going to take a wild leap here that you dont know the meaning of the website creator's psuedonym. Nor the porpose of his forum.

Let me also enlighten you with a story about some fat old white rich guys that got sick and tired of takers in England and George robbing what they built. As a Texas school properly labled the original Boston Tea Party participants terrorists, I will even agree to call the founding fathers criminals from the perspective of England. They certainly didn't need to start what could be called their own "Fight Club" and would have been treated as criminals if they lost. They put everything on the line for their principles. They did indeed built this.

What the "Progressives" seem to feel is an outdated and racially biased document, literally set in motion the culture that the rest of the world seeks to emulate.

Your smug superiority believes war cannot happen here as we are too advanced for it. Your "everyone gets a trophy" mindset does not teach the values that made this country great. Your normalcy bias forces you to think that things will not go wrong and we will be alright.

Much like George poked the bear over and over again, once you wake the sleeping giant that are those with true American values you and your hundred inch ass useless eater brethern will pay a terrible price.

We are coming, expect us. Or don't.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:10 | 3028414 Urban Redneck
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yet lacking the sEcret decoder ring
to knock the secret Societies they emUlate
by Some failure of smUg superiority to Comprehend something
right before you eyeS


Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:17 | 3027849 Vlad Tepid
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Up Forester has a point in that people who use grammar and diction like you do are usually either idiots or 7th graders...neither one of whom are very good at breaking down complex ideas.  

Your anal fixation leads me to believe you're a member of the latter.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:10 | 3027958 Spastica Rex
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Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:31 | 3027998 FeralSerf
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It's a form of artistic license.  Americans, especially those from the Appalachians and Texas, do it too.

Buggering is an ancient English tradition, practiced especially on long sea voyages and amongst the ecclesiastical crowd.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 06:13 | 3027707 A Middle Child ...
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Or the FLiNG is the beast on the gobble and all that matters is we are going to be in it's belly. Come on Woggie, post your shit link to youtube.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:50 | 3028030 shovelhead
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Don't encourage the intellectually limited.

I do hope they have somebody watching that won't let him wander into traffic.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 07:29 | 3027726 Mentaliusanything
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oh and up forester I live as an  X USA person ( Thank you Dad) in a Place voted the #2 place in the World to have a child. also ranked # 5 for the best education. Also ranked # 3 as the happiest place on Earth. What I earn is a secret but I paid a 6 figure sum in tax.That is great because if I get sick I dont have to pay a thing to get the # 4 health system in th World. now you have something to do...... go Fuck yourself you hillbilly wanker. ( apoligize to the good old boys you know what end of a gun gets you grits and a grin.......... we are still free down under..... no fell ups at an airport no drones and as Im especially thankfull no YOU.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:04 | 3027737 Dapper Dan
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Speaking of drones,

Thousands of people killed by drones? Don’t know if I wanna go out today…

October 23, 2012

Here’s a little globule of info that I discovered today and thought I should share with the blogosphere:

Between June 2004 and September this year, according to research by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, drone strikes killed between 2,562 and 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom between 474 and 881 were civilians, including 176 children. (Guardian, 23 Oct 2012).

So many civilians… so many children… and this is supposed to be targeted strikes of known insurgents? We need to stop the use of drones, now. The operators back in America obviously have a problem remembering that they’re killing real people, that it isn’t a video game. Yet the RAF are planning to acquire more drones. Insanity.

The drones have a 25% fail rate on killing the intended targets, well, actually it's not the "drone" but the operator.

Collateral truth my friend.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:42 | 3027756 Dr. Sandi
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The operator probably doesn't care. They're only pixels he's blowing away. Just like a video game.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:02 | 3027768 Samsonov
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Drones are the future, bub.  Get used to it.  The answer to your moral squeamishness in fighting terrorists is not to get rid of the drones, but to make them better.

Oh, and by the way, I wouldn't put too much stock on what The Guardian says.  They have a well-established record of propoganda supporting all manner of anti-British and anti-western attitudes.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:33 | 3027801 Shell Game
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Fuck you and your hobgoblin fetish. 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:47 | 3028023 BurningFuld
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Wait until they are circling over your town dude, oh and someone has decided he is god and doesn't like you.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 12:04 | 3028061 Samsonov
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That's a people problem, not a technology problem.  Follow your logic ad absurdum, or even not to absurdum, and there'd be no Air Force.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 23:37 | 3028862 ForTheWorld
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Unfortunately, it's people who create the various devices that are then picked up by other people who see a people problem, and combine this technology created by people to make a further two (or more) problems - drones and indiscriminant killing of people using drones. Then we have the people controlling those drones being variables in the problem that don't see it as a problem to kill people using devices designed to make it all seem like a computer simulation. It's all very problematic, you see.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 04:48 | 3029068 NidStyles
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Oh my I think you're starting to understand it.... Keep following it, I'm serious, maybe you'll get it.


Sun, 12/02/2012 - 15:01 | 3028243 StockProdigy
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Who would have thought it, Mel Gibson posts on ZH.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 07:44 | 3027730 Mentaliusanything
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Dapper Dan, They have gone to far. 3000 new settlement... WTf. Someone is a little pissed they lost a clear mandate. so what do they do..... escalate. I know that the majority of jews wants a clear and lasting peace but are randsom to a Government who is run by blood thirsty Hawks.

 we shall see if they are brought kicking and screaming to a realisation that that place still breathes even with a hob nailed boot apon its neck. Such short memories of 1948.  perhaps they forget what it was like...... displaced as are the ones who cry for Freedom without conditions.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 08:23 | 3027743 Dapper Dan
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You may find this of interest,

Weekend Edition Nov 30-Dec 02, 2012

The UN and Palestine by URI AVNERY

It was a day of joy.

Joy for the Palestinian people.

Joy for all those who hope for peace between Israel and the Arab world.

And, in a modest way, for me personally.

The General Assembly of the United Nations, the highest world forum, has voted overwhelmingly for the recognition of the State of Palestine, though in a limited way.

The resolution adopted by the same forum 65 years ago to the day, to partition historical Palestine between a Jewish and an Arab state, has at long last been reaffirmed.

I hope I may be excused a few moments of personal celebration.

During the war of 1948, which followed the first resolution, I came to the conclusion that there exists a Palestinian people and that the establishment of a Palestinian state, next to the new State of Israel, is the prerequisite for peace.

As a simple soldier, I fought in dozens of engagements against the Arab inhabitants of Palestine. I saw how dozens of Arab towns and villages were destroyed and left deserted. Long before I saw the first Egyptian soldier, I saw the people of Palestine (who had started the war) fight for what was their homeland.

Before the war, I hoped that the unity of the country, so dear to both peoples, could be preserved. The war convinced me that reality had smashed this dream forever.

I was still in uniform when, in early 1949, I tried to set up an initiative for what is now called the Two-State Solution. I met with two young Arabs in Haifa for this purpose. One was a Muslim Arab, the other a Druze sheik. (Both became members of the Knesset before me.)

At the time, it looked like mission impossible. “Palestine” had been wiped off the map. 78% of the country had become Israel, the other 22% divided between Jordan and Egypt. The very existence of a Palestinian people was vehemently denied by the Israeli establishment, indeed, the denial became an article of faith. Much later, Golda Meir famously declared that “there is no such thing as a Palestinian people”. Respected charlatans wrote popular books “proving” that the Arabs in Palestine were pretenders who had only recently arrived. The Israeli leadership was convinced that the “Palestinian problem” had disappeared, once and forever.

More at link below

(must scroll down @ link for Uri's story)

URI AVNERY is an Israeli writer and peace activist with Gush Shalom. He is a contributor to CounterPunch’s book The Politics of Anti-Semitism.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:37 | 3027875 Sanksion
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Come on, it is a war of religion, peace hadn't happened for 1 400 years (since 637, Siege of Jerusalem by Khalid ibn al-Walid), why it would happen today or in the next thousand years ? 

Jews want their land back, and muslim want them all dead. 


"Only the dead see the end of war."

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 04:48 | 3029069 NidStyles
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Oddly it wasn't a war before 1947...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:03 | 3027770 Samsonov
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Are you two arguing about Pakistan or Palestine?  Not the same, although I can see why the confusion since they both start with P and they're both terrorist breeding grounds.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:06 | 3027828 Dapper Dan
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Sam,  I am leaving this link for you, as I sense you are looking for feedback,

The following link will  provide you a Conducive atmosphere for further discussion.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 12:31 | 3028095 Samsonov
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"Conducive" atmosphere for "discussion"?  Quoteth Mr. Dan, "The operators back in America obviously have a problem remembering that they’re killing real people, that it isn’t a video game."  Those "operators" are soldiers fighting a war.  Our soldiers.  Fighting for us.  And you essentially pronounced them murderers based on propoganda from a socialist rag.  I've got your "link" right here.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 14:57 | 3028241 Karlus
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Progressives have always wanted the big tent and consistantly fail to understand what is our culture and what is not. That there are good guys and bad guys.

In the politically correct world, our enemies have the moral high ground and America is the cause of all of the worlds problems as they pull up to Kroger sipping a latte in their leased Lexus.

Our country and are values are truly exceptional. We are the shining city on the hill. We do have the right to smite our enemies and remove their ability to harm us. In short I believe our values do make us better than everyone else. Im an American, and that used to be and will be special again.

The tree of liberty is periodically watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

Just because you will not life your pale soft skinned pinkie from your starbucks does not mean that we will not. You and your kind do not deserve to share in the rewards of this great country.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 04:53 | 3029071 NidStyles
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It's not "OUR" country. It's a piece of fucking land that someone decided to trademark out with lines on a map.


To be honest, only progressives believe in that nationalist crap. The difference is whether you are an internationalist or a nationalist. You're both considered Progressives to the rest of us that don't want any part of your idiocy.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 07:51 | 3027732 slackrabbit
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then one day a spark....or a bomb........oh right this is already a floating bomb...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:35 | 3027804 Burticus
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So Shell's new ginormongous floating facility extracts & liquifies the gas at sea.  Thanks for the intel.  But wait, there's more:

As I understand, the LNG must then be transferred to other specialized vessels that deliver to specialized ports or offshore facilities, who regassify and pipe it to customers.  Keep in mind that the whole time, this super-volatile $#!+ is under very high pressure and very low temperature.  You figger all this will cost a helluva lot o' FeRNs.  Plus, (as piled on above) if even one moron  **cks up...BOOM!

Another vessel is planned for receiving and regassifying LNG off shore from the Port of Tampa:

"A new and specially designed Höegh LNG liquefied natural gas (LNG) regasification vessel will be moored at a submerged buoy in the Port Dolphin deepwater port. Conventional LNG carriers will transport LNG to Florida and transfer their cargo to the custom-built Höegh LNG vessel, which will in turn convert LNG to gas by processing the LNG at an onboard regasification plant. The natural gas will then be transported from the deepwater port to shore at Port Manatee through an undersea pipeline. The pipeline will extend inland for about four miles where it will connect with other interstate and intrastate pipelines to supply muchneeded natural gas..."

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 04:56 | 3029073 NidStyles
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Liquid Natural Gas isn't pressurized.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 09:59 | 3027822 Yellowhoard
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LNG is the future and it can be safe.

Some of these massive LNG tankers should be prevented from docking in busy harbors.

But, if facilities are built a few miles off shore to convert LNG back into NG, there is no danger to the general population.

No doubt, there are oil interests around the world that would just love to see one of these LNG carriers explode in Boston harbor and bring on an end to LNG competition.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:36 | 3027885 THE DORK OF CORK
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How large is the smoking room ?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 10:38 | 3027890 squexx
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I used to live in the place in Korea they made them. Koje Island, not too far from Pusan. Nice little place, always liked it there.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 11:07 | 3027951 ian807
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World's biggest floating bomb?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 01:52 | 3028033 Money Squid
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This ship should be named the Hank Hill

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 12:40 | 3028107 americanspirit
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That mooring device better work perfectly. There are some Mondo cyclones in that part of the world. Also they better have some in-depth defenses against air, surface and sub-surface attack because that is one hell of a trophy. Irresistable I would venture to say.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 13:10 | 3028135 Schmuck Raker
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I bet Simon Black already has a Shell passport and a FLiNG-PM account.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 15:25 | 3028257 bilejones
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Anybody know what these babies cost?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:36 | 3028363 KingTut
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Basic science for commenters;

  • It takes about 1-2% of the energy in NG to convert it to LNG.  
  • 1000 cu ft of NG (10ft x 10ft x 10ft) reduces to 12 gallons of LNG.
  • Note that 12 gallons of LNG has the energy equivalent of 9 gallons of gasoline ($3.75 vs $25.57 wholesale)
  • Gasification plants are fairly simple, because you don't need extra energy to gasify LNG.  Heat energy must be taken from the environment in a controlled way.
  • LNG is not explosive or combustable by itself, you have to mix with air at just the right ratio for it to even burn.  
  • However, a high volume release would mix with air and the ratio would happen in the dissapating cloud. It would burn prodigiously at these regions.  The heat from the fire would accerate the boiling of the LNG into more NG to burn even more intensly.  Very dangerous in a port esp with hgih winds.  Could catch a city on fire.
Sun, 12/02/2012 - 23:52 | 3028880 Oh regional Indian
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Tut, good information, thanks,

This monsterosity sounds like a bad idea overall.


Sun, 12/02/2012 - 18:09 | 3028482 mezurak
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So if they build these types of factory ships to process US LNG fields for direct export, won't that blow the Jones Act out of the water?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 00:35 | 3028926 jonjon831983
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Aka massive floating fuel-air bomb.


There was a disaster scenario tv show that proposed an accidental LNG tanker leak could cause LNG to float across water surface into port area/a city and then re-gassify... wherein a spark could ignite it... and... BOOOOOOM.  Hence fuel-air bomb.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 05:15 | 3029085 cynicalskeptic
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Didn't the movie 'Syriana'  end with a terrorist attack on an LNG tanker using a 'disabled' stolen missle?    


Guess the guys behind this project missed that movie.   I wonder how far away you'll be able to see this fireball?

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