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Originally posted at Monty Pelerin's World blog,

The world no longer makes sense to most people over forty years of age. Much of what we thought was true is now denied. What to us is obviously false (or at least always was) is now accepted as being true. Here are examples from Frick at Bias Breakdown that show obvious contradictions between popular belief and what we hold as reality:

If every Arab in the Middle East laid down his weapon, there would be peace in the Middle East. If every Israeli laid down his (or her) weapon, Israel would be annihilated.

 

Likewise, if government stopped all spending, the deficit problem would be solved. If government confiscated the gross annual income of every individual in the country making over $66,193, the deficit would destroy our country.

 

In a sane world, politicians would cut every last dollar of government spending they could in order to bring financial order back to an entitlement-happy society. After government’s debilitating spending habits were slashed or restructured, only then would the conversation shift to taxes and revenue to make up the gap.

 

Of course, this isn’t a sane world. It’s the world in which it’s Israel’s fault for every ill in Palestine and Republicans are evil and stupid for wanting to cut spending.

Fantasies like these might are satisfying to many, but they are ultimately destructive. Truth cannot be changed by repeating falsehoods. Nor can it be altered by more people believing untruths. But, when these fantasizers overwhelm society with their false beliefs, society will no longer function. Society cannot invent its own truth based on convenience, prejudice or popularity. Truth, not manufactured myth, is key to survival. Societies which deviate from it, don’t survive.

As Ayn Rand stated:

You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.

The avoidance of reality has overtaken our society. The consequences of doing so have been building for decades and will soon overwhelm us. On our current path, much of what we knew and cared about will be destroyed.

 

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Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:16 | 3028337 thesecondslowes...
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Zombie school...and oh by the way, you are paying for it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU&feature=g-high

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:27 | 3028340 dolph9
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What a fucked up piece of Zionist shit this is.

Nobody believes the Jewish lies anymore and people "over 40" complain about it.

Sorry, asshats, we can think for ourselves.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:22 | 3028342 the iD
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if the consequences of avoiding reality are a still a construct w/i reality and one can avoid said reality then said consequences can also be avoided. perception = reality.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 23:10 | 3028817 A Nanny Moose
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sure...you do a little heroin, think you can fly, then proceed to step out of a 10th story window. So much for the constructs of your mind.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:54 | 3028344 Insideher Trading
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The world has never made sense to anyone with a brain conducting properly functioning synapses. The course of civilization has always been pure chaos and war with very brief periods of peace and stability (a decade or so at a time, *if that*). I personally find supreme tranquilty in accepting the fact that nothing will ever make sense to me on the sociological hemisphere of thought. The only truth I know to be self-evident is that shit has, is, and always will be fucked up.

People fall into the trap of trying to rationalize and understand questions to which have no answers.

Take a bong rip, or drink a beer, or a pop a xanax and just enjoy the collapse. Take the shoes off, throw on some slippers and kick those feet up onto something comfortable.

This shit happens from time to time.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:25 | 3028345 Supernova Born
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Kick the can?

Ha, ha.

It's a bucket.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:28 | 3028349 cherry picker
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I no longer "own" anything, have no retirement parachute and am a boomer.

Does any of this matter to me anymore?

Not really.  I live, eat, help others if I can, work and and enjoy liberty.

Need little, want less is my motto :)

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:20 | 3028427 Waterfallsparkles
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How on earth did you find your way to zero hedge?  Sounds like you do not even have a computer.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:40 | 3028373 Acet
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Talk about masturbatory post. I feel like I've just been spewed over ... metaphorically speaking.

It's not even good enough to be called intellectual masturbation: it just starts from some axiomatic (i.e. the author thinks they are) "truths" and then with no proof widelly asserts that people under 40 don't believe them, hence they are avoiding reality. It's not even circular logic, it's down there in the pit of ridiculous and absurd along with things like "the world is pink and anybody that doesn't believe it is avoiding reality" and "I saw it once in a Donald Duck comic, so it must be true".

By the way, is all Arabs put down their weapons, the members of the Israeli settlers lobby and the right-wing religious xenophobes would find a reason to expand into other countries since "what God really promised us was greater Israel" or some other excuse - you see, there are assholes in every ethnic/national group, that's why the conflict in the Middle-East has been going for so long: armed assholes on both sides.

 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 16:45 | 3028379 Venerability
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Reposted from a typical Kill Gold! Kill Oil! Dollah! Dollah! Dollah! thread at Seeking Alpha:

Shorter Distorters think they can make one more Pre-Positioning Move because there are two Treasury Note Auctions this coming week. (Two Auction Weeks are better than Three Auction Weeks, but they can also be destructive.)

Shorter Distorters KNOW that PMs and PM stocks - and Oil and Oil Stocks, irregardless of the Middle East - are likely to embark on a beautiful Rally next week because of the Fed meeting and what it will confirm.

But there are two incredibly big IFs for the Shorts this week, occurring early, not late, in the week:

*** The Middle East is a horrid, convoluted mess again. Israel has, as per usual, acted very stupidly - read Haaretz, not just the Jerusalem Post - by both announcing major new settlement initiatives in disputed territories AND once again "sequestering" hard cash owed to the Palestinian Authority.

Something major can break out any ole moment. And also note, in terms of Black Swan geopolitics, that the North Koreans are doing another missile test this week, which the Chinese will exploit propaganda-wise, even if the Rose Colored Glasses crowd does not.

*** I believe Nancy Pelosi's bold Discharge Petition move on Tuesday will actually work, greatly embarrassing every single Republican House member who votes against it.

Speaker Boehner will NOT keep his rank and file from devolving into chaos this time.

In fact, I think Dems, via the unions or however, should organize demonstrations both in Washington and outside the district offices of every single House member who might vote against the Discharge Petition.

Make sure local and state press coverage is heavy. And ask every recalcitrant House member voting against the Petition how he or she - mostly he - dare vote against taking "The Cliff" for 98 percent of all Americans off the table, in order to protect the 2 percent?

Push hard, and ask why said House member considers that 2 percent more important than that 98 percent.

Ask if said House member and his/her immediate family is PART OF the 2 percent.

Start asking - they should have done this a long, long time ago - whether said House member suffered at all during the Market Crash of 2008 or whether his/her "blind trust investments" were 100 percent Short.

Ask whether his/her CURRENT "blind trust investments" are NOW 100 percent Short, so that he/she is actually rooting for a repeat of 2008.

Ask how many of his/her leading campaign contributors are part of the 2 percent and if that fact might be impacting his/her legislative votes now.

That's just for starters!

 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:00 | 3028399 groundedkiwi
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Ayn Rand. The final reality of her life was that she ended up on Social Welfare and Medicare.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 23:11 | 3028821 A Nanny Moose
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After she was forced to pay into Social "Welfare." Nothing wrong with victims reclaiming their stolen property from the theives.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:13 | 3028411 Waterfallsparkles
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The same with not making a decision.  Not making a decision is a decision.  Every decision or non decision has a consequence.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:10 | 3028413 Jugdish
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The world no longer makes sense to most people over forty years of age.

You must be on acid. The over 40 crowd is the most spoiled, entitled, naive, complacent group of mental children of any other group. Children under 12 are more astute, having not been completely used to lies and in your face corruption and theft by individuals esteemed as great like your master Barry Soetoro and Ben Bernanke. What I often hear from the over 40 crowd are things like "we are doomed if Obama/Romney isn't elected" ; "Obama saved the economy" ; "every so often a guy like that gets elected, its just a cycle" ; "a bunch of tribesmen who shit in buckets without electricty pulled off 9/11" ; "social security is a good idea" ; "always leave your money in the stock market cause it will always go back up" ; "the federal reserve is a federal bank." ; "working a job 50hrs a week for a psychopath is a noble life choice, everyone has to kiss ass and take it up the butt, that's the way it is" ; "you need to plan for retirement (401k) so put your money in the fake casino rigged stock market" ; "bailouts were a good idea" ; "killing women an children is ok as long as they are muslim" ; "I watch the news on television all the time so I know what's going on."

Fuck you idiots. Watch as you move into your old age as your healthcare, assets, and entitlements are stripped bit by bit beneath your spoiled eyes. Your baby boomer generation is the defining picture of everything that has ruined the potential of the USA. You are the generation that lit the match and burned away the constitution in favor of liberal collectivism, crony capitalist - fascism, and an artless, politically correct culture, that looks, tastes, smells, and feels like a smelly piece of shit. You are Jon Corzines. You better get on your knees and pray that this fake ponzi scheme holds up because if it doesn't you will quickly find out your true worth as a human being. Your entitled attitude, your prescription drugs, your lawyer, your fat gluttonous fast food filled body, will be the soylent green of us 20 somethings.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:16 | 3028420 Waterfallsparkles
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Sounds like your are jealous.  Why have you not worked hard to acomplish your dream?  Do not forget you will be 65 one day too.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:45 | 3028556 Jugdish
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Ya. Jealous. That's it. I don't plan to be 65. I'll be in a Max Security Fema camp long before then if I'm lucky.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:25 | 3028431 Venerability
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I think you should emigrate.

Get your Buddies the Koch Brothers or Joe Ricketts or Sheldon Adelson or Donald Trump to set up a New Colony of Disaffected Birchers - excuse me, Extreme Supply-Siders - on an island somewhere - or just take over a "failed state" like Somalia or maybe even Greece.

Certainly, the money they've amassed over the past two or three decades and kept in their Dark Pools would enable them to establish their own True Freedom Country.

Call it Kochitania or Trumpland. Make it the best little Tax Haven on the planet. You could even elect - by unanimous decision! - a Ryan-Whatshisface ticket.

Mr. Adelson could establish the biggest, most luxurious casinos in the world. And you'd have zero percent unemployment, because everyone would have one kind of casino job or another.

Meanwhile, you can abandon the Poor Deluded United States and all us Poor Deluded People over 40 you hate so much to our own devices.

Oh - do make sure to take Grover Norquist with you. I'm sure he'd make a wonderful manager for one of Mr. Adelson's hotels. Certainly, he'd attract the Alternative Lifestyle crowd.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:00 | 3028573 Jugdish
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You are some sort of left-wing loser trying to coax a left/right argument. Fail.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:53 | 3028470 Mr Pink
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Very well said Jugdish. I guess Im the only one here who agrees with you. Its a tough crowd here on Sundays....mostly boomers Im afraid. lol

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 18:11 | 3028486 Mr Pink
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Try having an intelligent conversation with these zombies sometime! The election came up at Thanksgiving and I scoffed and said I refuse to participate in their phony election and I actually got a cane pointed at me with the customary " if you don't vote you have no right to complain"!

I swear its like arguing with a recording of soundbites from the evening news.

I guess , what can you expect from a generation that saw the back of a presidents explode and believed the shot came from the rear?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:50 | 3028564 Jugdish
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Thx for the props. I'm just glad the fuckin nightmare election is over so I can stop hearing all these idiots' opinions especially the completely asinine over 50 crowd. Sickening.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 00:48 | 3028889 CrockettAlmanac.com
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what can you expect from a generation that saw the back of a presidents explode and believed the shot came from the rear?

 

A plurality or majority of Americans have doubted the lone gunman theory since at least 1966.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/pdf/937a1JFKAssassination.pdf

 

The Zapruder Film was not released to the public until 1975. That was the first time regular folks saw Kennedy's head explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DwKK4rkeEM

 

The public's response and outrage to that first television showing quickly led to the forming of the Hart-Schweiker investigation, contributed to the Church Committee Investigation on Intelligence Activities by the United States, and resulted in the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigation.[13]

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapruder_film

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:40 | 3028689 AllWorkedUp
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Well if it's any consolation I'm over 40 and I don't think like that, but you're right alot of people do. Unfortunately I don't have alot of hope for the younger generations seeing the truth much either - especially young women. (not trying to pick a fight with women)

My hope is that the 12 million fewer votes cast were Ron Paul supporters that couldn't hold their noses and vote for either one of those idiots, and are starting to wake up.

We need to face reality though. As a nation we're pretty well forked.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 10:46 | 3029500 lakecity55
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Younger generations are no longer taught common sense/critical thinking.

Some of them stumble upon it, others learn it from responsible parents.

Those are a minority.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:11 | 3028415 Black Forest
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Good post.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:19 | 3028426 Uncle Remus
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WTF. Is this Shark Jump week?

The world is a clusterfuck people. This is what a global clusterfuck looks like. Deal with it. You don't like it, fix it. But be advised, talking about it won't do.

[walks off mumbling about cretins, barbarians and who the fuck drank all the gotdamned coffee!!]

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:13 | 3028502 knukles
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Just about the only voice of reason, sound mind, clarity of thought in this whole thread.
Thanks, Unc, I thought I was loosing my mind.
It was tough on Friday when by accident when I hit CNBS (my fault, my own fault, my very own fault) to hear Santelli and listened to Leisman convolute everything proving his own  objection wrong, Kiernan talking about soem horseshit rising above and finally Becky "please Quit" talking and all of a sudden there was noise but no words, sense, ideas, no communication.  Might have been listening to chimps or parrots noising. 

I thought I'd lost it.
And then today....

Muchas grasias...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:31 | 3028659 Uncle Remus
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de nada ese.

EDIT: Although, "reason, sound mind, clarity of thought" are generally not words commonly associated with the ol' uncle. Jus' ask Mrs. Remus...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:25 | 3028433 Waterfallsparkles
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We cannot control what others do.  Like the Government, Bernanke, Banks, etc.  We can only control our own lives and how we live them.

If there are things in your life that you can not live with then you need to change them for yourself. That can take many forms.  From relocation, not earing as much money, not spending money, not putting money in the Banks, not participating in the Stock Market.

We all have choices but most of us do not want to make tough choices as most of us do not like change.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:34 | 3028443 TheObsoleteMan
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Spot on with the over 40 crowd walking around trying to make sense of things nowdays. But the orgin of the falicy began with the Federal Reserve, and the abandonment of the hard currency requirement set forth in the Constitution. The "Something for nothing" mentality is based on the "something out of nothing" monetary creation. It just kept growing after that. Now we are told we can have an economy without an industrial sector {that is SOOO 20th century!}. We are to believe we can police the world, and mold it to "our" vision, bringing de-mock-racy to everyone and all that. We are told we can print to infinity and keep inflation within "expectations", whatever that is suppose to mean. Hold rates at near zero without any consequeces. Men marrying men, and women marrying women. What an upside down world! Animals will soon have more rights and protections than humans, they already do in the case of a fetus. You see, the puppet masters know this is all smoke and mirrors, they are just counting on the masses being fool enough to buy into them. And so far, they have not been disappointed.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:33 | 3028446 americanspirit
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When I was twenty something I was certain that the older generations had completely screwed up the world. And they had.

Now that I am seventies something, I see twenty somethings certain that the older generations have completely screwed up the world. And they have.

When those twenty somethings are seventy somethings, there will a whole generation of twenty somethings convinced that the older generations have completely screwed up the world. And they will have.

So?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 18:00 | 3028477 Insideher Trading
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There is a sperm about to penetrate an egg (or two gametes) creating a zygote as we speak.

That motherfucker is already responsible for shit going wrong and he hasn't even made it to the womb yet.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 11:20 | 3029599 Incubus
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Shit.  Could be in my never-to-be-written autobiography.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:41 | 3028449 Radical Marijuana
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I have spent 40 years attempting to understand WHY the world was controlled by huge lies.

The first 20 years or so, I was educated to respect evidence and logic. Of course, when I was that young, I tended to believe what I was being taught, and that understanding problems by respecting evidence and logic were good ideas, which were generally respected. However, starting in the 1970s, I realized more and more that evidence and logical arguments were being deliberately ignored, pretty well everywhere I examined, in everything that mattered.

Therefore, I spent the next 40 plus years attempting to apply an appreciation of evidence and logic to try to understand how and why society actually was controlled by huge lies, backed by lots of violence.  From a theoretical point of view, I believe I have made substantial progress in doing that. However, that makes no practical difference, since the real world keeps on being controlled by frauds, backed by force. I have managed to systematically regain an attitude whereby the world still makes sense to me. However, that has no other effect upon the trajectory of events to continue being controlled by force backed frauds. It only enables me to have some philosophical solace and consolations, as I wait and watch the spiral of social storms spin out of control.

What made War King, then made Fraud King. However, when Fraud is King, the violence can never make the lies become true. Instead, the whole society is driven towards increasing insanity, and inevitable psychotic breakdowns.

REALITY IS STILL THERE! However, social reality dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit constantly diverges more and more from any relatively more objective reality. I think that the single simplest symbol of that collective social insanity is the official story about the events on 9/11/2001. Those official stories require believing a series of absurd conspiracy theories, which depend upon totally ignoring common sense and the physics of subtances like steel, in the steel frame building that suddenly collapsed.

9/11 is the starkest symbol of society going insane, because it is dominated by huge lies, backed by violence, spinning out of control, and automatically making everything worse and worse, faster and faster.  That perspective is relevant to judging the quoted examples from Frick at Bias Breakdown. Since the real world is controlled by the people who are the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, but that violence can never make those lies become true, we are living in a Bizarro Mirror World, where everything is backwards and proportionately distorted. Of course, therefore, everything someone like Frick says is almost perfectly backwards!

After spending several decades studying these phenomena, I now believe that these kinds of tunnels of deceits are almost infinitely deep. There is no way to know how far down the rabbit role Alice goes, or how far up the tornado Dorothy goes! The real world is effectively "controlled" by a group of trillionaire mass murders. However, in reality, that world is now going more and more out-of-control, faster and faster!  I find that it makes perfect sense, according to energy laws and general systems theory WHY that is happening. Like I said, that does not change anything real, except it allows me to feel like I understand WHY.

Of course, it is my own far-fetched flight from reality to fantasize that, if only enough people would understand this enough, then we might be able to do something more scientific to resolve our real social problems. However, that appears to be ridiculous, at the present time. Currrently, the world is totally dominated by those groups who exploit impossible ideals, in order to accomplish the opposite of what they say they intend to do, while those groups are opposed by those who similarly propose the same basic impossible ideals, as somehow going to finally provide the miraculous solutions to the problems that were created by advancing those impossible ideals in the first place. Impossible ideals actually make the opposite happen in the real world. The elites appear to know that, and deliberately deploy those means to accomplish their real ends. Their controlled opposition appears to not know that, and so, ineffectively oppose what continues to happen.

My view is that:

REALITY is always organized lies, operating organized robberies.

Some corollaries are that money is based on robbery, backed by the most extreme form of robbery, which is murder. There is a combined money/murder system. Those who were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence built the entire Neolithic civilization social pyramid system that we are living in now! Everything we are doing is directed by a fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting system! Therefore, every decision we make is increasingly insane, with no end in sight, other than some eventually psychotic breakdowns of that entire global system of electronic fiat money frauds, backed up by weapons of mass destruction.

Unfortunately, at the present time, the only way that "reality" can emerge is through genocidal world war, and democidal martial law, which use weapons of mass destruction, to demonstrate what reality really means. Other than that, the runaway triumph of the Fraud Kings will continue to grow and grow, at an exponential rate, towards collapsing into chaos beyond our ability to imagine. The longer the current systems are able to continue to back up their lies with violence, to keep their force backed frauds going, the further from more objective reality the social stories will become, and the more egregiously insane our civilization will become. We are going deeper and deeper into the profound paradox of final failure from too much "success" at controlling society with LIES.

Like I said, 9/11, more than anything else, symbolized the kinds of publicity stunts that the trillionaire mass murders can get away with, in order to advance their agenda. Those trillionaire mass murders overwhelmingly hold all the carrots and sticks, with which to reward and punish those who either agree with or disagree with the LIES. Therefore, people, like Frick have "successful" careers being incompetent, while benefiting from their participation inside of the established systems of organized lies, operating organized robberies. However, the overall trajectory of being able to stage one false flag attack, after another, in order to start more genocidal wars, and prepare for more democidal martial law, is that will eventually play through. Then, the reality of weapons of mass destruction will finally manifest, as the "market correction" for our runaway social delusions.

Of course, meanwhile, I continue to indulge in my own set of day dreams, that "we" could and should stop believing in false fundamental dichotomies, and relying upon the related impossible ideals, as the source of any real solutions to these runaway social insanity situation. For more than 40 years, I have been attempting to imagine some kind of social psychiatry, to deal with the runaway social insanity that dominates our entire civilization. However, the return to reality that would require goes off the scale of anything I can believe in, at the present time! Like I said, a realistic view of reality would require almost everyone accept that reality is ALWAYS organized lies, operating organized robberies. Of course, that is NOT going to happen. Instead, the ruling elites will keep on pumping their immaculate hypocrisy, through professional liars like Frick, while the various reactionary revolutionaries, that are the controlled opposition, will keep on pumping their same old silly bullshit ideologies.

The LAST thing that I expect our society would ever do is base its behavior on a more scientific understanding of reality. Instead, as I said, I just watch and wait, as the runaway established systems of frauds, backed by force, in their current forms of electronic fiat money, backed by atomic bombs, eventually gets insane enough to destroy itself, and pretty well everything else, include me too, of course. At the present time, the ONLY way that "reality" would be allowed to correct our collective social delusions is when the science and technologies that made weapons of mass destruction are resorted to, as the last gasp effort to keep our fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems going ... There are no good reasons to believe that people will pay attention to scientific realities, other than through backing up bigger lies, with more violence, ending with weapons of mass destruction wiping out civilization.

THAT will be how the avoidance of reality overtakes our society. ... much of what we knew and cared about will be destroyed. The only issues appear to be when and how much?  Since the entire social system is built on foundations of fraud, backed by force, all notions about fixing those problems appear to be non-starters. The ONLY thing that those systems can think of, and will do, is back up bigger lies with more violence ... which means runaway financial frauds ending in insane economic situations, that provoke wars and martial law, which go out of control.

ONLY more radical truth about reality provides genuine solutions, BUT THOSE ARE NOT REALISTIC! What is "realistic" is that the I believe that the return of reality will be out-of-control in direct proportion to how insanely out of touch with reality the force backed frauds are.

Our civilization has applied science and technology to become more insane, on an astronomically amplified scale. Our civilization was made and maintained in ways that enable it to continue to deliberately ignore any and all evidence and logical arguments that the ruling classes do not like, including that the only visible opposition is controlled to operate within the same bullshit frame of reference as the ruling classes do. Although it SEEMS like obvious common sense that we should develop a more scientific society, what we have now in the insane oxymoron of a scientific dictatorship, which deliberately destroys true science, while advancing fraudulent science. Therefore, the only things that are big enough to correct that are to make sufficient real tests of weapons of mass destuction, to conclusively demonstrate just how insane and out of touch with reality our civilization actually is!

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:43 | 3028461 vato poco
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tl; dr.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:48 | 3028474 knukles
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Once awake we can never sleep again.

The future is veiled by an Angel of Mercy.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:45 | 3028695 Future Jim
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Do you think that the coming apocalpyse is exactly what is desired in the end by those who promote all that  force backed fraud?

They're already building their redoubts, but I am more optimistic than RM that an apocalypse can be avoided, and I don't think RM is exactly right when he says that reality would then hit those who ignored it. This is because the perpetrators would then have a lot fewer people to control, and they would wipe the Internet clean, and rewrite the history books, so we can't let it get that far.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 00:45 | 3028923 knukles
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What is coming will be that what comes, what shall be heard necessary to hear, to be said shall be so.
Man may plan his day and actions but is by his very nature prone to plan outcomes which is by definition, impossible.  For man neither gifts life nor manages the time/space continuum, the finality of his actions remain a mystery, the province of Nature and Nature's God.
Those who wish chaos can bestow such, but the order to follow remains unknown, alwys the 'morrow.
Man has not the curse of either seeing or controlling the future.
That is not to suggest by any stretch that karma is not real, people are not judged, for the revive that which they sow.
There is good and evil; man has the power of choice.
He has impressive capability to influence, but does not control people, places or things.
He merely controls himself.
And every man has a Higher Power, even if in the final analysis, it be his very own Ego.
Grand plans of universal domination and control have never in the history of man succeeded.  Nor ever shall they, for they remin the province of misogynistic narrow poorly learned men deviod of any spirirtual guidance for ther moral and ethical compasses.
The path may be hard, crude, cold and fraught with misery and death, but it shall never prevail as within the wild dreams and visions.
For man is hostage to distractions for money, power, property and prestige failing to establish firm ethical and moral philosophical foundations for living

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:47 | 3028549 Ignatius
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+911

9/11 is not the biggest crime, but the compulsively repeated official narrative is propelling the current international crime wave.

I have to admit that, personally, I am stunned at how effectively this comic book narrative (literal: they put out a comic book) has dominted science, reason and common sense of the public.  We're talking basic Newtonian principles here people, accessible to anyone who made it through high school physics, and yet we're impolite 'nutballs' for having the audacity to mention it.

"...since the real world keeps on being controlled by frauds, backed by force..."

Exactly.

Nice post, you Radical.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:26 | 3028603 toomanyfakecons...
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The Murrah Federal Building, Timothy Oswald... errr Timothy McVeigh, and the Mannlicher Carcano bomb give 9/11 a run for it's money in terms of riduculous suppositions  and contradictions.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:26 | 3028669 Ignatius
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"...but the compulsively repeated official narrative is propelling the current international crime wave."

9/11 is the excuse for all of the current attacks abroad and the attacks on liberty at home.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:59 | 3028571 americanspirit
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Well reasoned and well-said Radical Marijuana. However I not only believe that there are workable solutions, along with others I am working on them. We are pretty far along on model projects in a couple of off-the-radar locations that, once they are up and running, will offer people a chance to see a future that works - in energy, in food, in a reasonable standard of living, in environmental remediation, and most important - in return on capital investment. Capital is the primary tool for building the world - how that capital is invested is the key to determining the outcome. For the most part, owners of capital who would like to build a better world have few if any options today. I believe that the task of those of us who, like you, envision a future that is filled with the quality of life for everyone that only socialist utopians have dreamed of ( quite ineffectively may I add), have the responsibility to articulate an alternative model of how this can be made to happen and then to go on and build a working model that others can come and see and evaluate and, if they like what they see, replicate.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 22:00 | 3028716 tip e. canoe
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here's something inspiring on that front from the Basque Country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91pBFyLWIx4&feature=plcp 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:59 | 3028572 Bansters-in-my-...
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Wow...Radical Marijuana,was that a comment or an article?

Keep them comming,good comments.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:42 | 3028626 toomanyfakecons...
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The stuff you speak of, especially the "...society is driven towards increasing insanity, and inevitable psychotic breakdowns." line, is extensively examined in two masterpieces that I hold near and dear.

 

Piece 1... Zeitgeist Moving Forward http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

 

Piece 2... The Wilcock-Drake Interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4s24QXWdo6o#t=3...

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:42 | 3028629 Pareto
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My forty years of observations boil down to simply this: One segment of society seems to get a lot of shit for free, while the other segment works their ass off providing it.  I thought, over the years, that sooner or later this all might change.  In fact, its gotten worse.  Maybe the real reality (if that makes any sense) is somethng else, but, right now, in my face, everyday, its the only reality I see.  Eventually the lies and the confiscation ends, but, that is little solace to the guy who is trying to save and eek out a living.  So, lets give Nyah Nyah Nyah a pass. Tthey know not what they do (or in this case think).  And lets pound the table on those shorting the world.  i for one, would love to see a do over, demarcated by property rights and voluntary exchange - free and unfettered exchange.  And oh yeah.  I get to keep my own shit.  

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:16 | 3028666 Optimusprime
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RM:  I really appreciate your postings.  Have you ever read Guy DeBord?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 01:18 | 3028961 Radical Marijuana
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Yes, a friend gave me Guy DeBord's book Society of the Spectacle several years ago, recommending that I read that.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 01:39 | 3047998 honestann
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Yikes!  Where to begin?  And how to keep my reply shorter than yours.  Sigh.  Very good message, but I offer a few thoughts to ponder.

First of all, the predators who control the world are masters of their modus-operandi.  They know exactly what they are, and exactly what sheeple are and how sheeple malfunction intellectually.  In fact, their main tool to advance their plans is to encourage sheeple to malfunction intellectually more extremely every day.

Do not bother to look for social psychiatry.  Not because one doesn't exist (because it does), but because you cannot implement one.  If you found something that might work, the predators would wipe you and your operation out of existence within 24 hours of them becoming aware of it.

There are only two solutions to the problem you identify.

The first is theoretically possible, but very unlikely, because too many people would need to "wake up" and "act".  This solution is for producers to stop producing in the commercial realm (where the predators can tax it, regulate it, abuse it, misdirect it, etc).  Sure, producers would grow food in their gardens and perform other productive acts, but would only consume what they produced, or directly exchange their goods with other producers for goods they produced.  If enough producers did this, the predators would starve, as would parasites not willing to become productive themselves.  Like I say, this is a vanishingly unlikely scenario, though not quite impossible.

Much more likely, though perhaps still very unlikely, is for some tiny group of individuals to discover, develop and implement some breakthrough science and technology that lets them escape into outer space --- where at least a tiny fraction of mankind can live an honest, ethical, productive, benevolent life.  Obviously this doesn't help mankind at large escape the predators, but it does at least let a tiny subset of mankind splinter off and advance as they could and should if not for the predators-that-be and predator-class.

This second alternative is very compatible with your desire for a society that gains and lives by a scientific understanding of reality.  Open the wrong door and the release of air pressure pushes you out into outer space, where you very soon distort and die from lack of air-pressure and oxygen.  Cluelessness and belief in insane fiction is NOT compatible with living in space.  Neither is a predatory modus-operandi.  Why?  Because space is vastly too large for any predatory modus-operandi to pay off sufficiently.  The energy required to find someone and chase them down (to steal or tax) costs far more than anything you could hope to steal or tax once you got there.  PLUS, it is trivial to hide in outer space.  PLUS, anyone in outer space will see the predators coming, and will lead them on a pointless chase, or be waiting for them with multiple surprises.  EVERYONE in space has the "high ground", though some more than others.

As bad as the current situation IS... and it really IS, and I'm not saying it isn't... it only works in certain contexts.  No mosquito has much noticed the scams and atrocities the predators have been practicing.  Neither have most fish swimming in the ocean.  And so forth.  My point is this.  YOU can take actions that largely remove you from the context created by the predators and the parasites and other clueless producers who are manipulated by their scams and atrocities.

But to do that, you must act as an individual.  In theory you can work with a few other individuals, but in my many years of experience, that doesn't work.  Other individuals are either without resources (savings) to work with (and are thus convinced they are stuck in whatever neighborhood generates a paycheck for them), or they have too different an idea of how to change their context.  Note the articles about preppers for examples of this, and note how these "extreme individualists" think exactly like collectivists... even as they call themselves individualists, and even believe it to their core (without ever asking what individualism means).  Do not think like a collectivist --- in any way.  If you do, they almost surely gotcha... or at least disabled you, or made your progress so inefficient as to be pointless.

You have gotten yourself totally wrapped up in the observation that you cannot escape the insanity.  And you are correct... but only as long as you stay connected to society.  The escape is possible.  It is practical.  It is feasible.  It is doable.  For example, I did so, and I did so on my own, with only my own resources.  3 years ago I moved to the extreme boonies in another country, and built up a pretty much self-sufficient existence.  20km from the nearest human being, not 100 people within 120km, and not even a dirt road to where I now live.  Which is why I purchased a tiny (250kg dry) 2-seat aircraft that can fly 285kph, 4000km non-stop, and gets 75mpg (32kpl)... that's how I "run errands" once every 3 or 4 months.  Setting myself up cost me virtually all the gold I saved during the past 3 decades of very frugal living, about $350K (actually a bit more now that I think about it).

But my point, and the point you and others who think like you need to understand and take to heart is... I did this alone, on my savings, and entirely with my effort.  Well, I didn't build everything, of course I purchased solar-panels, wind-turbine, battery-banks, DC-to-AC converters, and had my dwelling constructed and then moved out to the boonies in pieces (after which I removed the long structure I had to build to get vehicles across a narrow but deep canyon, so now my place cannot be reached).  Frankly, I suspect that last effort was a waste of my time and effort, since my digs are invisible from anywhere on the ground, and virtually/practically invisible from above.  Nobody "around here" (as if there was anyone around here in the sense most people mean it) is gonna find me, much less try to steal from me.  Pretty much everyone within 120km is at least as self-sufficient as I am, and vastly more experienced in being so (from ancient times).

To put my reply in your terms, the way to escape the destruction of society... remove yourself from society.  It is utterly corrupt, and utterly unsavable, as you so clearly show.  So it shouldn't be surprising that "removing yourself from society" is the way to survive.  But you know what?  I have never been as happy anywhere as I am here.  It is simply wonderful here, far, far away in the extreme boonies.  Do you want peace, quiet, simplicity, rationality, and lack of chaos or worry?  You can have it too.  I'm not the only one who has done something like this, but apparently there aren't very many (I don't know of any).  Probably most individualists who did what I have don't have satellite internet like me.

Finally, though I'm a pretty extreme individualists as you can tell, I am also part of a small private group of individuals who are working on a breakthrough that can indeed solve the problem you worry about.  No, not defeat the predators, though I suppose that might be possible if were stupid enough to have any such inclination, but instead to escape them, permanently escape the predators and their lies, threats, control and destruction.

Your post has the tone of hopelessness.  Well, the situation is pretty damn horrible, and for most humans on earth today, beyond their ability to solve.  But you CAN escape if you are dedicated enough, but you can only escape as an individual.  You must drop your collectivism in all its forms, and this includes worrying about the whole world or "society".  The only individuals who will be saved will be individuals who make very serious efforts to save themselves.  To hell with society.  To hell with what is called civilization today, because that is, in fact, the least civil construct that mankind has ever seen.  Ditch it.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:41 | 3028453 israhole
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Who needs Israel, or any of the rats and traitors among us that support it?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:35 | 3028618 toomanyfakecons...
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Good question. The nearby rats and traitors concern me more than some far away contrived nation state.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 17:53 | 3028472 Peter Pan
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In general terms you cannot avoid reality...you can only delay it.

To avoid reality you must create a new set of cirumstances by effort or luck that will then constitute a new and altered reality.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:20 | 3028514 Venerability
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When you can't fight back with words, fall back on Malware!

If this is what Your Side stands for - punishing anyone who refuses to drink the Nihilist Kool-Aid with Blaster virus after Blaster virus - is it any wonder there is pretty much no one left on Your Side?

That a woman of my intelligence and talent should have to suffer assaults on my eyesight - my eyesight! - because I DARE to fight the Koch Bots - it's too much at this point.

Anyone with even an iota of basic sanity or humanity should step in to stop it.

What you Ninnies are basically positing is:

Short the World and Everything In It, Dollah! Dollah! Dollah! Dollah! Dollah!

. . . Or we will send you Virus after Virus after Virus, no matter how painful, because 2008 was the high point in human history and if we manage to cause another Great Crash and Worldwide Depression, the World's Wealth will ALL be in the hands of One Percent of One percent of One Percent of One Percent. . . .

Our Masters - or at least our Botmasters - will reward us by giving us 2 million acres apiece of fertile farmland, 10 prospective oil properties of our choosing, 4000 virgins, 40,000 non-virgins, and 400,000 tons of virgin olive oil. Nyah, Nyah, Nyah!

 

 

 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:28 | 3028606 vato poco
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Good Lord, woman, where on God's green earth did you ever get the idea you're 'intelligent'?? Reciting Teacher's dogma back to him word-for-word perfect - or, let's face it, you more than likely just slept with him/her to get an "A" - does not, here in the real world, equal "intelligence". If all this is confusing to you, or is damaging to your sacred state-installed Self-Esteem....I refer you to the last 3 words of your devastatingly intellectual post immediately above. Ta, luv. Best wishes chanting your single-syllable slogans. Let us know how far that goes towards paying your rent.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 22:04 | 3028720 Venerability
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Everyone knows who I am and what I stand for. My intelligence and abilities are well-documented. Self-esteem is not only a good thing, it is necessary in times like these. 

No one knows who you are, however, other than a Script Kiddie, because you choose to post anonymously.

(Re the Blasters: They don't harm most people. They harm ME, because of an eye condition. Some malicious hackers know that and choose to fight me with malware rather than words.

(Whenever this happens, it shows I'm winning the debate. But I can't fight the malicious hacking, so decent Internet monitors and/or police organizations should do it for me.)

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:30 | 3028611 Pareto
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Fffff,,, What.....in the fuck.....are you talking about?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 22:17 | 3028741 forwardho
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At the risk of sounding like a pig... I think it may be PMS

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 00:46 | 3028932 Creepy Lurker
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That's not PMS, it's schizophrenia.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:33 | 3028523 NuYawkFrankie
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Re The world no longer makes sense to most people over forty years of age

 

Yes the Old Reality is being phased-out.

Welcome to the New & Improved Reality!

Oops! Almost forgot - Have a NIce Day ;)

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:30 | 3028526 earleflorida
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ironically the same system that ayn ostracized... in the end she capitulated too?

how humane...

 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:06 | 3028655 NidStyles
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So her demanding her money back is counter to what she was saying?

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:33 | 3028532 Voamerica
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I just finished watching Tim Geithner shimmy and shake on Fox sunday with Chris Wallace.
I think you should be very afriad with some one like him with his hands on the printing press.
He was evasive and blowing smoke most of the time.

Be very afraid...............

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:33 | 3028534 ahb
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Once again, anybody with a straw man and a quote from Ayn Rand can get a guest post on ZH. Fucking morons.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:41 | 3028540 knukles
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OK.

24/7/365 forced speeches from Timmah G for you while duct taped and Crazy Glue-d to a dirty ratty old orange McDonald's booth chair.

Many worse things.
Hell, you might even win an unwashed electric purple thong from Mochelle that they'd make you wear on your head.
Or a Ziploc full of French women's leg and armpit stubble.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:42 | 3028536 Aurora Ex Machina
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To exist is to be something, as distinguished from the nothing of non-existence, it is to be an entity of a specific nature made of specific attributes. Centuries ago, the man who was—no matter what his errors—the greatest of your philosophers, has stated the formula defining the concept of existence and the rule of all knowledge: A is A. A thing is itself. You have never grasped the meaning of his statement. I am here to complete it: Existence is Identity, Consciousness is Identification.

Want to know the problem with this?

It. Is. Total. Bollocks. TOTAL BOLLOCKS.

Plato's Laws of Identity don't include "A=A", because formal logic didn't exist then. You might note his pupil, Aristotle came up with some of them, and not during Plato's lifetime. The entire point of Plato's "Shadow / Cave / Light / Sun" analogy is that while there is an "ideal form", there are multiple ways to view it (yes; some more authentic than others, thus the progression from Cave > Sunlight), and the Platonic Ideal of an object is expressed through Arete towards its imperfect expression in reality. There's NO WAY A PLATONIC "IDEAL" CAN EXIST IN REALITY.  And while we're at it, he didn't use the word IDEAL or EXIST, he used FORM.

That's the fucking point of Plato.

 

Ahem.

 

Next point.

 

Rand attempts to be clever and grabs A=A which is indeed the first Axiom of formal logic [the rule of Identity]. But she missed the second Axiom - The rule of Negation. A /= -A. Now, this might sound trivial, but it's actually far more important than the rule of Identity - because the -A immediately leads to the logical conclusion that "A thing is NOT JUST itself, but it is a thing AMONGST OTHERS".

Without both rules, you cannot form the structure of formal logic. This is Formal Logic 101. Which Ayn Rand missed.

In fact, this very rule DEMANDS [using the rules of Objectivism itself] that Identity is defined by Negation. The "Not Identity". "That is not me" being a pivotal stage in young babies. Know what else? Defining your "self" purely by the "Not Identity" [the Other] is infantile and leads to infantile minds. "Oooh, I hate the <X> because they're NOT LIKE ME". Ring any bells, Mr & Mrs Fundamentalist?

Hint mother-fuckers: Heigegger, Frege, Sartre, Russel and so on didn't "miss the point of Plato", or the other 3,000 years of Philosophy inbetween, they actually understood him (and the other 3,000 years).

Ayn Rand did not. But sure; if believing in Unicorns, the Divine Magnitude of the ONE RAND who understood Plato when no-one else did in the prior 3,000 years, and wanking about how smart that makes you feel go ahead... As long as you live on Mars and don't pollute the rest of the gene-pool with your asinine, myopic nonsense. Seriously. Grow up: only angsty teenagers take Rand seriously.

 

 

<Now back to our normal programming: Note the management apologises for the extreme use of BOLD and Italics, but this is akin to listening to your average MSM commentator explaining "the economy" and how "everything is fine". Yes, it's that annoying>

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:44 | 3028554 knukles
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Ayn so?

(I couldn't help myself because I am)

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:08 | 3028559 Aurora Ex Machina
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Yep, of course I gave you a +1, amusing.

 

Outside of Silicon Valley, it's rare to find anyone under the age of 40 taking Ayn Rand seriously, and I spotted a A=A comment above.

 

Count this as a response to this, with a mis-click Drone attack wedding delivery.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:31 | 3028677 Optimusprime
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Thanks.  A couple of quibbles. 

As to your statement, "Consciousness is Identification." being bollocks.  This is open to serious objection.  As presented in this terse form, it risks overlooking the problem of the "sign of the self" (certainly an integral aspect of the situation of consciousness).  See Peirce, or Walker Percy in Lost in the Cosmos for the essentials.

Hegel had some interesting observations on the relation of being and nothing in their relation to determinate being (a being among others, as you put it) in his Science of Logic

None of this is to be construed as a defense of Rand against your perfectly justified criticisms.  She was a vulgarian who on occasion depicted scenarios interesting to contemplate.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 00:58 | 3028874 Aurora Ex Machina
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Ok, two things:

1) I love philosophy

2) ZH hates philosophy

There's a bit of an issue here, in that if we do engage with this, expect a lot of flak (and if it gets too technical, the Tyler's will just decree: just fucking fight already)

 

Ok, the simplist refutation of "Consciousness is Identification" is simple:

Animals self-identificate.

 

That's it. Unless you're a muppet stuck in the mechanistic or behaviouralist models [and trust me: you don't want to be there] then the obvious part of hierarchical pack structures is that it's complicated [be it in herbivores where the male dominates a hareem against other males (deer), or herbivores where the females rule [meercats]; an omnivore partnership for life (otters) or an omnivore where male hierarchy dominates (chimps) or a carnivore pack where the male rules a hareem (lions) or where mating is for life and the alpha female controls the pack (wolves)].

 

The simple point is that - by <<your>> sorry, Rand's standards, all of these creatures are aware of their existance, and they're aware of their existance in a <model> of social behaviour. Consciousness is Identification - Ok, so A. Rand is arguing that these are all "rational beings engaged in a rational model of self" and so we should expect them to start their own Capitalist self-interested firms or "Go Galt" when the top stag is a druggy, right?

 

This is not how we define "existence" or "Consciousness". For the very reason because it's bollocks. A. Rand was an idiot.

 

QED.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 20:25 | 3031195 Uncle Remus
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Well, THAT explains all the vegan crap. Oh, looks like the BBQ is ready.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 22:54 | 3028792 void_ptr
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Plato's Laws of Identity don't include "A=A"

You might have a point if Rand had ever said they did. The philosopher being referred to in the link you provided is not Plato. "A=A" was merely a shorthand paraphrase of Aristotle's observation, something like (from memory): "That which he must know, who knows anything, is not a hypothesis, but is the most certain truth of all. What this principle is, let us proceed to say. That a thing cannot both be and not be, at the same time, and in the same respect."

the Platonic Ideal of an object is expressed through Arete towards its imperfect expression in reality. There's NO WAY A PLATONIC "IDEAL" CAN EXIST IN REALITY.

You seem to think that's a point in your favor. Plato's theory entails a transcendent world of Forms which are super-ordinate to matter. Rand's materialism explicitly rejected any such supernaturalism, as do any number of other naturalist philosophers (e.g. Quine). The "problem" of Universals is not resolved in any "theory of Forms." It can be properly understood as a purely natural processes of abstraction formation from percepts. The people who are doing real work on this topic are not the obscurantist philosophers. It's the machine learning researchers in the math and computer science departments who are putting the mathematical underpinnings under the processes of inference and induction.

"A thing is NOT JUST itself, but it is a thing AMONGST OTHERS"

As if Rand didn't think that a thing is amongst others.

Hint mother-fuckers:

There you see him baring his teeth in undisguised hostility. Hostility is a response to fear. What are you afraid of? I think I know.

In fact, this very rule DEMANDS [using the rules of Objectivism itself] that Identity is defined by Negation. The "Not Identity". "That is not me" being a pivotal stage in young babies. Know what else? Defining your "self" purely by the "Not Identity" [the Other] is infantile and leads to infantile minds. "Oooh, I hate the <X> because they're NOT LIKE ME". Ring any bells, Mr & Mrs Fundamentalist?

No, it doesn't. Nothing in your statement bears any resemblance to what I know about Rand's philosophy. Whatever Objectivism is, it's not what you think it is. Or maybe you know better, and you just don't want people reading to know. You're trying to peg Objectivists as "fundamentalists" and "haters" but what is there in your sneering snarling screed but hate. I'd point out the irony but I'm sick of irony. All I want is discursive clarity. I'm no Objectivist, but I despair of ever reading an honest, intelligent critique of Rand. All I ever see is this crap from people who can't be bothered to understand what she wrote, or maybe more to the point, wouldn't tell you if they did. They just want to caricature it.

Rand's essays untangle confusions and nonsense to be found in the cultural status quo, whereas all I ever got from philosophy classes in the universities was the pet existentialist or german idealist fantasies infesting the academic departments. I think the political crisis that Zero Hedge is chronicalling pretty well is merely a consequence of the more basic philosophical erosion of the status quo. In my experience the academic philosophers, far from defending reason, the enlightenment and its political expression in the American revolution as they should have been, are a pack of rats busily eating away at its foundations.

 

 

 

 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 23:22 | 3028839 Pareto
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Excellent.  Rand's quote referenced above, in my opinion, simply points to the absurd idea that we can continue to print and spend our way to prosperity without conequences.  And the one identity Rand is referencing (IMO), is that there is no free lunch.  Scarcity implies that somebody, sooner or later has to pay.  I mean really pay.  Or that fiat, sooner or later, disintegrates and gives way to some honest alternative.  Or that the state, sooner or later ceases to be a representative of the people and instead becomes the people's oppressor.  Or that the unjustifiable regulation of human action eventually takes wealth and the accumulation of it, to zero..........all consequences of avoiding reality.  cheers.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 00:06 | 3028898 Aurora Ex Machina
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Yes, and you're a chimp.

 

OOK.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 00:57 | 3028943 Pareto
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And you are a fucking idiot you arrogant piece of shit.  You know what you're problem is?  Nobody has a fucking clue what you're talking about, because you need fucking bread crumbs to find your way back from your chaotic off the rails fucking thought train.  You're exactly why higher education isn't worth a fiddler's fuck anymore because it can't communicate anything of value to anybody ANYWHERE.  So go pontificate your adolescent command (that's right my friend, your drivel dstands on pegged legs) of the philopher kings someplace else, because you sure as fuck aren't fooling or impressing anybody here.  fucking pinhead.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 01:04 | 3028951 Aurora Ex Machina
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Great.

How's that working out for you?

 

Oh, and I greened you just for the shits n giggles.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 00:50 | 3028895 Aurora Ex Machina
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Oh God, do I have to cut a Randian to bits?

Really?

 

1) No, she wasn't referring to Aristotle. Go read her. She only respected three philosophers. Plato in the Greek tradition was her reference. Want to fight about this? Hint: The Objectivist website proves you wrong, since they hate Aristotle over many other issues.

2) WHOO-WEE, we got a live one here:  

Plato's theory entails a transcendent world of Forms which are super-ordinate to matter.

No, incorrect. You're missing what Arete is doing. Arete was:  "In its earliest appearance in Greek, this notion of excellence was ultimately bound up with the notion of the fulfillment of purpose or function: the act of living up to one's full potential."

Plato only argued for Forms to argue for a theory of excellence. His philosophy wasn't really concerned with transcendent forms [although, sure, later on in Kant etc, it became important] but the actuality of how to justify a (primitive) sense of striving to both art, work and politics.

Arete is the core of Plato, not Forms. You're reading it wrong - I suggest grabbing onto The Republic again.

Rand's materialism explicitly rejected any such supernaturalism, as do any number of other naturalist philosophers (e.g. Quine).

No, that's not what either Rand or Quine is doing. Rand is not doing philosophy, Quine was a logic guy who did shitty ethics, which was useful to the RAND corporation. His logic was good; his forays into everything else is painful. If you understand logic, equating Rand <-> Quine is like shoving a fork into your brain and claiming that that's the same as inventing eating. Hint: they are NOT synonymous.

Hint: Quine was a behavouralist. This is now totally discredited.

3) The "problem" of Universals is not resolved in any "theory of Forms." It can be properly understood as a purely natural processes of abstraction formation from percepts.

Oh God. No. You know that "3,000 years of Philosophy" I mentioned? Yep, that'd be it.

And no, you fool, you CANNOT determine "Universals" from Rand's "percepts", or, like DURRRRRRRRRR, why would Russel, Frege et al have to invent set theory? Hint: Because a) you CANNOT INFER IN LOGIC. And b) That shit is complicated. And GOD NO, DO YOU NOT REALISE THE CORE OF PHILOSOPHY IS THAT YOU CANNOT INFER ANYTHING FROM AN EMPIRICAL TO A UNIVERSAL??!?? ARRRGH BRAIN MELTING, SERIOUS LACK OF HUME OR ANY PHILOSOPHER EVER...

 

Yeah. You sound that fucking ridiculous to anyone even with a basis in logic, thought or philosophy. Seriously. Get a brain implant, soon.

 

4) Oh GOD OH GOD OH GOD:

The people who are doing real work on this topic are not the obscurantist philosophers. It's the machine learning researchers in the math and computer science departments who are putting the mathematical underpinnings under the processes of inference and induction.

 

Given I know a lot of them, I'll bet you $1,000 right now to name me an algo that's "trying to solve inference and induction". There are NO algos that are "trying to solve" this issue; they're trying to move around or skip or trick or jump or avoid this issue, but they're not trying to SOLVE it, you fucking muppet.  Oh, and yeah. Don't push it, or I'll get bored and contact your University Lecturer and demand you read out this tripe in front of 300 of your peers. Shame on you; if you're paying for your course, stop now, you're wasting money.

You might notice a lot of "slang" and "OMGAADTASR!!" language in here: that's because your crap is so bad, I can't give a serious response. No really, it's illegal in Educated-Land where I live.

 

You're stupid. Stop. Or Darwin it. Don't care. Just stop typing.

 

p.s

 

Love your use of obscurantist when trying to name philosophers - instantly shows you're either a 1st/2nd year in some minor university or a "HACKMASTER" wannabe in Silicon Valley. Top tip: you're bantha fodder either way.

 

Next installment: boy claims to have read "Godel Escher, Bach" in interview, hasn't understood it. Me, as interviewer, has. Boy doesn't get job: then posts on 'Hacker News' how business doesn't 'get hackers'. Rest of world thinks: what a twat.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 00:13 | 3047863 honestann
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It is strange that so many of us "non-objectivists" must set the record straight about Rand.  She most certainly WAS referring to Aristotle, and she totally loathed Plato.  I'm pretty sure she considers Plato the foundation of Kant, and you must know how totally she hated Kant.  I don't know the specifics about everything you mention, but you totally discredit yourself about Aristotle vs Plato, so I'll just ignore much of the rest.

The reasons people concocted the insanity that is "forms" or "universals" is that reality has a nature, and that nature is not "an infinity of chaos".  Pretty much everything in reality is composed of 92+ "elements", and those elements are rather similar to each other because they're more-or-less composed of 3 "sub-elements" (electrons, protons, neutrons) plus electromagnetism.

As a result, all those 92+ [so-called "natural" or "stable"] elements share properties (like "mass" for instance).  That does NOT make "mass" some sort of super-real "form" or "universal", it is simply a consequence of the fact that everything in reality is in fact just different configurations of a single underlying field (similar in many ways to the electromagnetic field).  So something like 50-million pages of philosophical babble is completely clueless, because for some reasons philosophers tend to go so far off the deep end that nothing makes any sense after a short while --- yet so many seem to pay attention and take them seriously!  How strange.

BTW, the individuals I work with solved the "inference" and "induction"... and a great many other silly epistemological confusions (like "mind-body" and "determinism vs volition" and endless others) decades ago.  And yes, they are solved in the context of implementing inorganic consciousness, which is indeed a completely scientific endeavor for us (though admittedly more like a brand of mysticism or wishful thinking for most others).

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 01:59 | 3028985 Cathartes Aura
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Mon, 12/03/2012 - 08:25 | 3029197 slackrabbit
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Plato's 3rd law: Enough talk, lets get pissed!

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 19:49 | 3028551 Bansters-in-my-...
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...So whats up with all this chemtrail spraying going on, that most people don't even know is going on? Is it denial or dummied down,or both ? It spooks the fuck out of me.

 

It's like seeing an bad accident about to happen with everyone watching but your the only one who sees it .

 

Please take time to inform your friends and family of this CRIME against humanity,and our mother earth,that is taking place right now....

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HAARP

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Wake the people up......Please....

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 22:10 | 3028731 TerraHertz
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"...So whats up with all this chemtrail spraying going on, that most people don't even know is going on? Is it denial or dummied down,or both ? It spooks the fuck out of me."

 

It's _partly_ dummied down, since most people never look up, while of those who do most have no ability to tell the difference between normal contrails (ice crystals from engine exhaust water vapor), and chemtrails (there are some subtle visible differences. Not to mention finding Aluminium and Barium nano-dust everywhere.)

Still it appears that chemtrail spraying does occur, and very widely across the planet.

Here's my take on why.

We know the Elites have been working for many decades on various means of achieving a radical global population reduction. There are ways of doing this slowly and quietly (eg increasing death rates via poisons in food and water, cancer epidemics via oncogenes in vaccinations, etc), and decreasing birth rates (eg infertility induced by HPV vaccines, hormones in food and water.)

And then there are fast, brutal ways - such as a sudden massive global epidemic with a very high fatality rate. The Elites have been researching this for a long time too. The big problem with this method is that people could easily figure out what was happening and who did it. In which case the Elites would be massacred. So they need a way of doing it that acts fast - too fast for any kind of organised public retaliation.

The only way to achieve this would be to air-deliver a fast-acting bioagent world wide, simultaneously. And to do that would require a _lot_ of infrastructure. A whole fleet of tanker planes, their crews, ground support, and so on. All of whom would have to think they were doing some mundane daily job, that they'd been doing for years. Otherwise they might just refuse to do it.

And so.... we have chemtrails, for years. A program that on the surface is denied, but with a next-layer down' cover story that it's a secret weather modification program. Even deeper and it's an attempt to dump down people and weaken their immune systems with aluminium and barium powder. And so on. Maybe it even does also have those aims, but as side benefits for the Elites.

But really, it's an exercise in maintaining an operational world wide fleet of tanker spraying aircraft, and staff who'll do as they are told and keep quiet about it. If the Elites ever decide they have produced a usable mass-cull bioagent, and they 'have to' use it, then somewhere in the chemtrail spraying infrastructure someone will just pour a few litres of 'special additive' into the storage tanks. None of the general crews will know anything different is happening.

Then 6.5 billion people will die over a few days or weeks.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 02:08 | 3028991 honestann
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Interesting speculation that certainly fits the thinking patterns and modus-operandi of the predators-that-be.  If this speculation is correct, finding those places in the world where chemtrails are not layed down might be a clue to where the predators plan to hang out during the die-off --- unless, of course, they all intend to hang out underground at "continuity of government" facilities and equivalent ("Valhala Sector").

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 18:32 | 3030995 TerraHertz
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Hi Ann!

About the 'chosen retreats' - my thinking exactly. And you know what? I've never seen an abnormal contrail here in Sydney Australia. Unlike most I tend to actively observe and admire sky-scapes, and have since I was a child. Always was interested in contrails, and have an eye for detail. I understand the temp/pressure/humidity factors that determine whether ice crystals form from a jet exhaust, and the subsequent drift/dissipation factors. Have watched many a normal contrail develop over time.

But I've so far never seen one that behaved like the photos of chemtrails I see on the net, from USA and other places. So I don't think there is any chemtrail spraying here.

Something I'm very glad of. But it does lead to some interesting lines of speculation about Elite plans. I've read various commentators claiming to have evidence Australia is one of the 'lifeboats' chosen for a retreat in case things go wrong for the Elites. Maybe it is.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 05:55 | 3031833 honestann
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Without a doubt, southern hemisphere seems like a much better bet.  During the time I spent exploring the Andes and high deserts in South America, I rarely saw even normal contrails, and don't recall any abnormal ones - though I doubt I'm anywhere near as expert as you.

I've been thinking southern chile and/or argentina might be one place they hide out.  NZ seems like another obvious choice.  But the ultimate choice depends a lot on what kinds of horrors they ultimately choose to unleash (biological, chemical, nuclear, etc).

For being so smart, sometimes I find I've been very dumb.  Recently I recognized that my long held tendency to discount EMP might be very stupid.  Just think how effective well distributed high-altitude EMP bursts works for them.  No worries about some unstable or unfortunate biological mutation to get out of hand and perhaps kill everyone (or everyone over 13 per the TV series "Jeremiah").  No yucky chemicals to screw up infrastructure or equipment, perhaps mutate some normal organisms into something nasty, or have other unintented consequences.  No nuclear fallout to increase their chances of cancer or cause unpredictable mutation.

Nope, no danger of any of the usual nasty possibilities.  Just the entire set of productive equipment on earth stops working and can't be booted back up before 90% starve to death and/or kill each other off for dwindling food and water.

I tend not to think very much about this issue any more, probably because I already made my choice 3 years ago, and established my self-sufficient digs somewhere extremely remote.  But this EMP issue makes me want to figure out just what components of my self-sufficient systems I should keep multiple backups for to protect against the EMP possibility.  Fortunately I have a pretty significant storage setup well underground where I already keep some equipment.  But maybe I should carefully stock up on crucial spare parts, and slowly accumulate spare solar-panels and wind-turbine generators under ground, just in case my above ground units get fried.  My batteries and DC-to-AC and most other main components are already underground, but I'm not sure my systems are adequately protected against EMP propagating through the systems and reaching just about every active or connected element.

Never ends, does it?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 21:26 | 3034207 TerraHertz
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I don't have the financial resources to even contemplate such a move, plus my primary project requires I remain in an urban center, with access to the various resources. So a 'remote retreat' is out. Perhaps fortunately, events in my personal life and the even more revolting political developments over the last decade reduced my incentive to live to below zero, so now I'm just sticking around to see if I can get the project working. It's a very abstract attachment to life, but it does allow for a kind of 'neutral observer' viewpoint that makes the observing much less painful. Also mostly eliminates the personal fear factor - I just don't care. If I felt there was any chance of succeeding (in time) with the path you & I both know, it would be different. But I don't.

 

As for EMP, yes you're right. But you know TPTB may not even need to commit an _actual_ EMP event. They're setting up for a fake one - same general result of permanently taking down the power grid, but without having their own equipment damaged in the process. Here's how:

  http://everist.org/archives/links/!_Power_grid_takedown_links.txt

There are other, very easy ways to take down entire city power grids, but it would be a foolish to advertise them here. Though I noticed recently an official exercise that was effectively advertising one of them. So stupid - unless it was a pre-false-flag publicity exercise.

Is your old email working? Check it.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 05:34 | 3038552 honestann
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Yup, but I don't check it often, so good you mentioned.  I found your messages and sent replies.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:32 | 3028614 BullionBoy
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this post is total crap.  Tyler should not accept more crap from this chump whoever it is.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:32 | 3028615 j8h9
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"Republicans are evil and stupid for wanting to cut spending"... BS they dont want cuts to defense or corporate subsidies, or tax break loopholes to huge corporations. Bush/Cheney put two wars on the credit card and never raised an ounce of effort to offset these gigantic costs--Cheney even sent the exclusive contracts to this Haliburton cronies-- all at the expense of American citizens. 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 20:32 | 3028616 j8h9
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"Republicans are evil and stupid for wanting to cut spending"... BS they dont want cuts to defense or corporate subsidies, or tax break loopholes to huge corporations. Bush/Cheney put two wars on the credit card and never raised an ounce of effort to offset these gigantic costs--Cheney even sent the exclusive contracts to this Haliburton cronies-- all at the expense of American citizens. 

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:00 | 3028650 NidStyles
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This reads like Neo-Con Zionist worshipping bullshit.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:34 | 3028680 c-rev with a twist
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I think I read the same thing on a fortune cookie. I guess when things are light, the path of least resistance is to cater to the extremists in the room.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 21:35 | 3028683 TerraHertz
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http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/bernprop.html
Propaganda (1928)   (Includes text of the book, supposedly. But is it true?)
by Edward Bernays

(review by Chomsky)
         [The] American business community was also very impressed with the propaganda effort. They had a problem at that time. The country was becoming formally more democratic. A lot more people were able to vote and that sort of thing. The country was becoming wealthier and more people could participate and a lot of new immigrants were coming in, and so on.
         So what do you do? It's going to be harder to run things as a private club. Therefore, obviously, you have to control what people think. There had been public relation specialists but there was never a public relations industry. There was a guy hired to make Rockefeller's image look prettier and that sort of thing. But this huge public relations industry, which is a U.S. invention and a monstrous industry, came out of the first World War. The leading figures were people in the Creel Commission. In fact, the main one, Edward Bernays, comes right out of the Creel Commission. He has a book that came out right afterwards called Propaganda. The term "propaganda," incidentally, did not have negative connotations in those days. It was during the second World War that the term became taboo because it was connected with Germany, and all those bad things. But in this period, the term propaganda just meant information or something like that. So he wrote a book called Propaganda around 1925, and it starts off by saying he is applying the lessons of the first World War. The propaganda system of the first World War and this commission that he was part of showed, he says, it is possible to "regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies." These new techniques of regimentation of minds, he said, had to be used by the intelligent minorities in order to make sure that the slobs stay on the right course. We can do it now because we have these new techniques.
         This is the main manual of the public relations industry. Bernays is kind of the guru. He was an authentic Roosevelt/Kennedy liberal. He also engineered the public relations effort behind the U.S.-backed coup which overthrew the democratic government of Guatemala.
         His major coup, the one that really propelled him into fame in the late 1920s, was getting women to smoke. Women didn't smoke in those days and he ran huge campaigns for Chesterfield. You know all the techniques—models and movie stars with cigarettes coming out of their mouths and that kind of thing. He got enormous praise for that. So he became a leading figure of the industry, and his book was the real manual.

    —Noam Chomsky

    (From Chomsky's "What Makes Mainstream Media
    Mainstream": a talk at Z Media Institute, June 1997)

 

Interestingly, if you wanted to buy an original 1928 - 30 edition of Bernays' Propaganda (you know, if you wanted to know for sure what he wrote, in case recent printings are redacted), it's going to set you back between $1000 to $3000.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 22:05 | 3028724 bunnyswanson
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/01/cia-trolls-infect-the-net/

 

by Susanne Posel - Occupy Corporatism

 

In July of this year it became apparent through a flood of mainstream media reports that the National Security Agency (NSA) was “desperate to hire new hacking talent to protect the nation’s critical infrastructure” yet the NSA is notorious for its surveillance programs on American digital activity.

By collecting intelligence on every American citizen, the US government is treating everyone as if they were a potential foreign or domestic terrorist. Whether this assumption is valid or not, under the US constitution, Americans are supposed to be protected from intrusion of government; even if that government is their own.

At the same time the NSA spy center was being constructed, Attorney General Eric Holder new guidelines for the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC). These guidelines will allow the NCTC access to data on American citizens once held under right to privacy. The NCTC will focus on collecting and sharing information; regardless of whether or not there is the threat of terrorism. The will collaborate with local state officials, tribal courts and private partners; as well as the FBI and DHS and other federal agencies.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 08:04 | 3029171 AnAnonymous
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But this huge public relations industry, which is a U.S. invention and a monstrous industry, came out of the first World War.
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But, but, but, this "invention" is human nature. It could not be an 'american' legacy to the world.

'Americanism' is human nature. 'Americanism' is the natural system for humanity.

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 22:17 | 3028739 CheapBastard
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Zero down houses handed out to people who canot afford them never made sense to me. Reminds me of the "free public housing projects" with the same consequences---deterioration of the neighborhood.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 02:32 | 3029000 bunnyswanson
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Collapsing the US housing market was a goal.  The loans handed out were designed to fail.  Refinances as well.  It was planned.  It was designed to shift the equity back to the banks.  Irresponsible lending practices were promoted, and bonuses given. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TzEEgtOFFlM = Agenda 21 - for the 21st century.

Globalization is behind every decision being made.  Call it Sustainable Living - Green being the tantalizing key word - if you'd like but it is more than sustaining vital resources.  It is eliminating property rights. 

 

http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/commissioners/Ranzau%20Readings/Sustainable%20Planning%20Grants%20and%20UN%20Agenda%2021.pdf

Sun, 12/02/2012 - 22:20 | 3028747 egoist
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At the bottom of it all, the biggest problem is evasion or ignoring reality. This adherence to reality is why Ayn Rand named her philosophy Objectivism. (There were other fitting names, but they were already tied to other [bad] ideas.)

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 00:10 | 3028900 JustACitizen
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My opinion - The biggest problem is a whole bunch of people who are fearful that they will not get what they think they deserve. This is closely followed by a whole bunch of people who are fearful that "someone" is going to take what they already have whether they earned it or not.

At the end of the day - we are all going to die - some of us sooner than others.  It seems like there is an absolute crapload of people who are afraid of that (and perhapsfor some - rightly so).

There is a common thread.

It would be much better to enjoy your family, your friends and that one thing that you cannot buy - no matter how much material goods you possess - time.

 

 

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 02:46 | 3029013 bunnyswanson
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Time becomes a torture chamber when a person is unable to provide for themselves or their families.  People who have nothing grab onto religion or extreme ideas as hope for a better day.  Drug/alcohol abuse are the medications many turn to as well when the dull monotonous days are nothing but drudgery year after year.

Human beings require more than a concrete blonde existance for the entirety of their lives.  It inspires artists, breakthroughs of every kind in research.  Dehumanizing the masses will be hell on earth for everyone but those in the castles. 

What is a life when all one can do is worry about affording health and auto insurance, cost of food, utilities.  An education, a vacation and a home.    Owning a piece of land can allow one to not have to prepare for the unexpected - landlord raising the rent or changing the terms.

 

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 11:24 | 3029618 Incubus
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Atleast someone gets it.

A lesser life is one spent with the mind focused on the tangibles.

 

"Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives."

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 06:53 | 3029126 fijisailor
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" Republicans are evil and stupid for wanting to cut spending"

 

More political propaganda.  The Repubs had record deficits under Bush and now we have new records with Obama.  Neither party offers a solution.  It's only a matter of where the trillions go.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 10:10 | 3029410 Toolshed
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I think the author was attempting to use sarcasm, or something, to make his point........whatever his point was. The article is so poorly written it is really hard to tell though. I would like the 5 minutes or so it took to read this drivel back please.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 11:32 | 3029648 Incubus
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It took you 5 minutes to read that?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 07:22 | 3029136 Lebensphilosoph
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[quote]Truth, not manufactured myth, is key to survival. Societies which deviate from it, don’t survive.[/quote]

 

I take issue with several matters in this piece, like the modern misuse of the word myth and the conflation of truth and reality, but this really takes the cake. In all of the historical record, has it not been precisely the most 'advanced' and 'civilised' and 'enlightened' societies, the ones that have abandoned their myths and their fanatical belief in themselves in the face of all 'objective' evaluation, that have crumbled to dust?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 11:30 | 3029640 Incubus
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We're not quite there yet.

All great societies up until this point have facilitated sorts of freedoms.

We've got the physical freedom thing down, for the most part.  We're still working on the "free mind" thing.  Maybe in another two or three "advanced civilizations" we'll figure it out.  A truly advanced and enlightened society would be a place without a need for laws, or coercion. 

Despite my optimism, I don't think we'll ever be able to realize such a society, because frankly, at our core, we're just animals that succumb to our instincts.  We'll die on this rock, chasing delusions and thinking ourselves something great.

 

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 07:57 | 3029164 AnAnonymous
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As Ayn Rand stated:

You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.

___________________________

Another piece of 'american' genius.

As shown by 'americans', you might prefer propaganda and fantasy over reality (as proven by the statement of this 'american' philosopher) and avoid the consequences of prefering fantasy and propaganda over reality.

'Americans' have been doing this for centuries now and such have proven the possibility of doing it.

Will they ever succeed into doing it? Maybe not.

But 'americans' have proven you can do it. All it takes is to find people to foot the bill of consequences of avoiding reality.

But as this 'american' thinker is 'american', she had to prefer fantasy over reality and claim that the 'american' experiment is not enough of an evidence of the possible evasion from the consequences of avoiding reality.

'Americans', their nature is eternal and they consume, consume, consume...

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 10:30 | 3029465 d edwards
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Reality avoidance: think bread and circuses in the crumbling Roman Empire.

Today, far too many people avoid reality with modern bread and circuses: fast food gluttony and distractions such as mindless TV shows, movies, sports obsession, video games, etc.

Have you seen the Person on the street interviews of people who are totally clueless about current events? Welcome to the new empire in decline: the US.

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