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The Shocking Statistics Behind The Pentagon's Revolving Door 'Policy'

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Via Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

High ranking generals and admirals earn their stars.  They earn their stripes.  Then, they earn their cash.  New research by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) found 70% of the 108 three-and-four star generals and admirals who retired between 2009 and 2011 took jobs with defense contractor or consultants.  In at least a few cases, the retirees have continued to advise the Department of Defense while on the payroll of defense contractors, suggesting the Pentagon may not always be receiving unbiased counsel.


A Boston Globe investigation revealed the number of retired three-and-four star generals and admirals moving into lucrative defense industry jobs rose from less than 50% between 1994 and 1998 to a stratospheric 80% between 2004 and 2008.

- From Strategic Maneuvers: The Revolving Door from the Pentagon to the Private Sector, a report by CREW

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) has just released a fantastic new report on the revolving door between the Pentagon and the private sector, which raises serious concerns not only about ethics and corruption within the defense sector, but also raises issues of national security if retired generals are merely acting as mercenaries once they retire.  Meanwhile, these are the folks we are supposed to allow to read all of our emails and communications without warrants??

When I first figured out the gigantic ponzi scheme, theft and fraud within the financial system, centered around the Federal Reserve system and the TBTF banks, as well as the revolving door between the SEC, Treasury Department, etc and Wall Street firms, I never imagined the same thing goes on in virtually every sector of our corrupt crony capitalist economy…including the military.

One of the prime examples of the dangers of this activity outlined in the report revolves around Lt. Gen. Robert Dail.  He retired from the Army in January 2009 and by March 2009 had become the president of Supreme Group USA.  Supreme Foodservice had been paid at least $6.8 billion to provide food to U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, but then the Pentagon accused it of overcharging by hundreds of millions of dollars.  Despite this, the contact was renewed during Lt. Gen. Dail’s time there and in June 2012, the company was actually awarded an additional $1.5 billion contract to ease the transition to a new vendor.

Absolutely incredible.  Other key findings in the report are:

  • Retired generals can make more than their yearly military pay by serving on corporate boards
  • Contractors have increased spending on lobbying for 40 percent in the last five years
  • The U.S. government paid the top five defense contractors $113 billion in 2011
  • As of early 2012, 68 percent of lobbyists for the top five defense contractors had prior public sector experience
  • Pentagon rules prohibiting the revolving door are riddled with loopholes

A brief summary of the 'ponzi' here:


The entire report can be found here.

CREW Strategic Maneuvers Pentagon Generals Revolving Door 11-15-12


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Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:49 | 3030089 doomandbloom
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Thats why most of these guys want status quo....and will get a suitable candidate to do so..

Democracied, bitchez

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:59 | 3030128 Manthong
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Oh heavens to Betsy!

Senator and Congressmen going to work for special interest donors and all the while their wives and family raking in billions form connections I can understand.

But this?  Say it ain’t so!

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:03 | 3030142 Jonas Parker
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All the flag rankers I knew were Coast Guard Admirals, and I can't think of one who got a hot deal from a defense contractor once he retired. Coastie Admirals must not be democrats...

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:06 | 3030153's picture

Military-Industrial Complex.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:50 | 3030484 AnonymousAnarchist
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Major General Smedley Butler was trying to tell everyone 80 years ago. It should have already been obvious to them as well.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 16:05 | 3030523 The Alarmist
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Earn strikes me as a particularly strong term for a definition of careers that essentially involved punching the right squares on their tickets and regurgitating the appropriate PC buzzwords to show they were with the program.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 19:13 | 3031072 Harlequin001
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Ok so where's the revolving door.

I never knew that as an executive ar Boeing I could get a job as a 3 star general. Sign me up...

This is about senior military personel selling their expertise to the highest bidder, real free market economy stuff. WTF 'revolving door'.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 20:00 | 3031139 Cathartes Aura
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the "revolving door" meme came up a few years ago, here's a link to a list, by no means complete,

good examples are Dick'd Chain-e and Michael Taylor. . . but this is a global list, interesting.

maybe you could be a "lobbyist"?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 20:03 | 3031146 Harlequin001
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Maybe if I had the connections and the expertise I would consider it my god given right.

The problem lies with those being lobbied, not those doing the lobbying...

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 20:51 | 3031239 Cathartes Aura
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they're simply two halves of the same parasitical meme, without one, the other ceases to be of importance.

"god given right." . there's the rub.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:08 | 3030160 CrashisOptimistic
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The senior officers I know/knew who went to work for a defense contractor (and note that pretty much all do and will, and must -- that's their expertise.  A 3 star Air Force general is not going to be an executive at Procter and Gamble selling toothpaste), when they were asked an opinion by DoD on some matter, would scrupulously not consult on subjects relevant to their new managed projects.

Meaning, if an Air Force general retires and goes to work for Lockheed as an executive managing a drone program, he will not consult with the Pentagon on drone subjects.  He may consult on airman base housing or even transport aircraft, but not drones.

It looks worse than it is, in this article.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:44 | 3030277 cossack55
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I would strongly encourage you to remove your head from your anus. The "perfumed princes" (the late David Hackworth) run the puzzle palace and the US is doomed.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:00 | 3030314 upWising
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CrashTestDummy:  Please provide the readership with a step-by-step procedure for sticking both feet in your mouth while your head is embedded deep in your colon.  Inquiring minds want to know.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:15 | 3030384 formadesika3
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You seem to be saying that all they're being hired for is their influence/political connections since they're not consulting in their area of expertise.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:50 | 3030169 TruthInSunshine
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Pretty soon, there's a real risk that a good chunk of the trillion USD+ spent annually on the U.S. Military (more than is spent on the next largest 18 militaries, COMBINED, annually) will be used to purchase completely unnecessary and/or  partially or wholly defective armaments, thus egregiously harming the interests of the (remaining) American Taxpayers!



Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:17 | 3030196 redpill
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The Coast Guard doesn't bomb people, that's where all the money is.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 08:53 | 3031946 Lord Koos
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Get real with the two party shit... you really think the top brass are all democrats?

The Coast Guard is small potatoes.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:17 | 3030164 mikla
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This is normal.  This is fascism.

I'm not talking about the "emotionally-loaded-term".  Rather, when the government/business partnership ensures that only a few very large "companies" make all the decisions on the creation and spending of money, disallowing participation by entrapreneurs and small businesses, then we have:

  • No more wealth creation (it doesn't make financial sense to build anything)
  • No more (small) business (it is illegal for them to operate)
  • Lots of printing (it forces economic transactions)
  • Lots of mal-investment (you need a destination for the "printing", especially since this permits you to seize all resources)

In short, the government and oligopolies own everything.  This should not be a surprise to anyone.

The curious question is, "Why do people put up with this?"  Quite simply, all these actions are already illegal, already outside the charter(s).  Assertions that, "loopholes exist" are technically true (loopholes do exist), but irrelevant (the behavior is already illegal for other reasons).  We merely do not follow our own laws.

You are merely seeing "local organized crime".  These are "local warlords" in Gotham City.  Everything they do is illegal, but they have bought and co-opted everyone in positions of power, that they are all pretending that they are allowed to do these things.

The very simple answer is:  They are the mob.  They will implode throught that process that is already well-tread when the people realize they have no legal, moral, nor technical authority.  They exist at the moment merely because the 99% allow it (e.g., the 99% subscribe to the system.)

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:47 | 3030279 upWising
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"Follow the money and you will find the answer."

––Deep Throat in the parking garage at 2 a.m. (All the President's Men)

(Perhaps this should be the new National Motto :: more truthful than "In Gawd We Trust")

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:00 | 3030311 mikla
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Agreed, but that is only part of the issue.

Everybody knows the system is corrupt.  Following the money merely gives specifics to people that feel general disgust about the systemic failure.

However, the issue is more structural:

It is easier and more efficient for the "real" decisions to be made in the oligopolies.  Those "Executive Board Rooms" are beyond the annoying influences of the meddling public, or the accidental/occasional elected official that has a conscience.  So, in fascism, the government is really the "sub-contractor".

We all see this through regulatory capture (e.g., SEC, Treasury) and through the "Big" decisions shifted into private board rooms (e.g., Fed).  We now also see this, sickly and sadly, through the Courts.

Elected officials are merely middle-level management, as is most of the appointed and/or professional bureaucrats.

Because it is a structural issue, we have two things to address:

  1. Corruption is so rampant, we need a "step-function" in societal expectations (e.g., it's hard to know where to start with corruption of the entire Mexican Police, or the entire government offices in India, because the scope is so large.)
  2. Humans like granting blind deference to central, hierarchical authority; as a result, they created this problem directly, and would again if this problem did not exist now.

The first can be fixed by realizing that Government cannot fulfill this role, and by disallowing all the money to move through it (then businesses would have no oligopolic "favored role" with government, because the money would not be there).

The second can be fixed through people becoming adults.  This is not possible under a welfare state, where individuals do not feel the consequences of their bad behavior; and where child-like belief in a parental institution permits these children to be abused by psychopaths in central authority positions.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:10 | 3030359 upWising
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"Elected officials are merely middle-level management, as is most of the appointed and/or professional bureaucrats."

I think you give "selected officials" far more credit as "middle-level managers" than they deserve.  I equate them more to "Assistant Manager - French Fries & Onion Rings" at the local McBurgerWhopper.  They get a different coloured paper hat, longer hours, a chance to talk over the loud speaker ("number 420, your order is ready"  vs.  "filibustering") and the illusion of "power."  In reality, all they do is dish out empty calories, get zits and a droopy stomach.  "Officials" get driven around in black SUV's and McBurgerWhopper Ass't Managers get driven around in Transit buses.  In all cases, they are all nothing more than slaves to the Corporate Policies & Procedures Play Book.

"Washington is Hollywood for Ugly People."

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:16 | 3030389 Popo
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We need two things:

1)  A massive financial collapse to destroy the bullshit within the financial system.   How many banks only exist because the artificial economy trends upwards?

2)  A massive war, to destroy the uselessness in the military.   How many useless aircraft, weapons systems, ships, etc. only exist because they haven't seen combat?


Get the shit show started already.   We all know it's coming anyway.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 02:25 | 3031744 prains
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I wish you were right but unless this goes planet of the apes the 1% have it in the bag.  going dirty harry on them with a plastic spoon unfortunately won't work. For your premise to work this has to go dark ages and we all know how the working man got absolutely fucked then.


the best structural fix is pull the money out of the system, starve them. and yes it can work, it just takes being organized, at least it did in "Bug's Life".

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:41 | 3030467 PlausibleDenial
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Simply well thought out and well written.  Unfortunately, they have the bigger guns right now.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 18:45 | 3031032 spooncutter
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how are the extrememly small portion of individuals that run the oligarchies and the gov't the "mob?. aren't the rest of the people (the 99%, whatever) the mob? 

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 21:11 | 3031061 mikla
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In this case, "the mob" is an American name for "Organized Crime Family", or "Organized Crime".  In Southeast Asia, it is common to have a local "Warlord", and that would be the same thing (e.g., an individual that operates with total authority, without concession to any external power structure).

A different definition would be "large collection of people without central organization", which wasn't the intended use of the term.

Apologies for not clarifying.  In this case, substitute "organized crime" for "mob".

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 20:44 | 3031227 BigJim
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He didn't mean the mob. he meant da mob... capiche?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:09 | 3030166 Rathmullan
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Everything is for sale in jonnie horzine's casino, "Step right up"

Get your own guns and ammo before it is too late. Protect yourself and your loved ones as you are the only one who ultimately can. Resist the U.S. war machine which is owned and contolled by the euro elite and banking cartel (think the prune christine lagarde). Sleep not so tight.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:56 | 3030293 upWising
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Whore-zine's New "undertaking" : The Vaporize Fund  ("Steaming Hot Deals")


Returns on
Investments in

(Since this is Whorezine's "undertaking," does that make him an "Undertaker"?)


Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:58 | 3030309 Chupacabra-322
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The stage is set for complete, total full spectrum World domination from The Global Elite. Understand the core reason these Criminals continue to rape, pillage and steal wealth is though Illusion/Cover. We are not THE UNITED STATES but we are The United States of America. It is not The Constitution of The United States, it is The Constitution For The United States of America. Notice the difference. Do you see the Cover/Illusion.

These Criminals have been hiding behind the Corportate version of The Constituiton. Get it? That's the Cover and the reason behind their Crimes Against Humanity and The American People. Ask yourselves, why CIA propaganda, misinfomation/disinfomation is so good? Because it works. And the Elite own the media and have it staffed with their CIA agents/Council of Foreign Relation stooges like Andersen Cooper and Dianne Sawyer. The PsyOp runs deep, very deep.

The American people can continue to stay divided and blame the puppets Obama/Bush. Like they have any say in the matter. Both parties are the same sides of the same coin, bought and paid for a long time ago by The Elite Orligarchs. These Criminals sold their souls long ago.

So, continue to follow their lies, cover stories and false narratives such as Osama Bin Laden. A convenient CIA funded and trained Operative, code name Tim Osman. Sorry, But I digress.

Divide and Conquer. That's the Elite's game.  Total Complete Full Spectrum World Domination.  Via The City of London. The financial location of The Banksters, which Wall Street is just an extension. They own the Military, Media and have put forth hundreds of years worth of planning to complete their goals of the aforementioned.

It began with The Fascist Patriot Act which morphed into The Military Commissions Act, John Warner Defense Act, NDAA, PD51, Torture, Illegal Wire Tapping etc..etc... You get the picture? We're dealing with pure Evil, which cannot be reasoned or negotiated with. Their goal was to break the sovereignty of The United States along with our good men and women of the Military while simultaneously ushering in their NWO protective force of Their Global Military/Police Force to protect their Corrupt system/Crimes Against Humanity. We're just their Debt Slaves. Divided and Conquered.



We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions…we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted.”

-Dwight D. Eisenhower


Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:04 | 3030328 LawsofPhysics
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I suggest you read the Federal Reserve Act.  If you are born an American "citizen", you are in fact a tenant in the Corporation of the United States of America.  The shareholders at the Federal Reserve (a private bank) own your ass.  Tell us, how much does the American tenant/taxpayer pay in interest alone to the Fed?  Why hasn't the U.S. treasury coined it's own money (debt free) like it use to?

In the absence of a real revolution, the only thing you should be worried about is what your real owners are going to decide to do with their property.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:28 | 3030426 Disenchanted
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We are the chattel of the money changers...Where's Jesus and his whip when you really need him?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 17:07 | 3030733 Henry Hub
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He's coming man, He's coming!

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 16:07 | 3030516 earleflorida
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@ -322

FWIW Dept.:

Quote:  " When Truman entered the Korean War, he created an Office of Defense Mobilization to run the domestic economy during the war. The first director was Charles E. ("Electric Charlie") Wilson, president of the Morgan-controlled General Electric Company, who also served as board member to the Morgans' Guaranty Trust Company. His two most influential assistants were Sidney J. Weinberg, ubiquitous senior partner in the Wall Street investment firm of ^Goldman Sachs & Co., and former General Lucius D. Clay, chairman of the board of Continental Can Co., and a director of the ^Lehman Corporation. **[^ Investment Banks^]

    Succeeding McCoy as President of the World Bank, and continuing in that post throughout the two terms of Dwight Eisenhower, was Eugene Black. Black had served fourteen years as vise-president of the Chase National Bank, and was persuaded to take the World Bank post by the bank's chairman of the board, Winthrop W. Aldrich, brother-in-law of John D. Rockefeller, Jr.

      The Eisenhower Administration proved to be a field day for the Rockefeller interests. While president of ***Columbia University***, Eisenhower was invited to high-level dinners where he met and was groomed for President by top leaders from the Rockefeller and Morgan ambits, including the chairman of of the board of Rockefeller's Standard Oil of New Jersey, the presidents of six other big oil companies, including Standard of California and Socony-Vacuum, and the executive vice-president of J.P. Morgan & Co."  __ End quote--- M.N. Rothbard [1984]

Please note:  Both Truman and Eisenhower were soft on communist China. Why? John D. Rockefeller Sr. was king of the world, regarding his families fortune and [$$$] worth! He wanted China's market-entry to be opened for U.S. commerce at any cost! Think Japan/ korea?  

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:11 | 3030365 dugorama
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I know it's fashionable to blame O for everything, but in the stats presented above ask yourself, "Which party was in charge of Congress and the White House in those two time periods?"

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:50 | 3030098 ItsDanger
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EVERY industy is the same with regards to government contracts.  People leave the public sector and are employed with various companies on a board or full time positions in order to leverage their influence and networks.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 19:21 | 3031090 manich
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But every industry isn't the same when it comes to dollar amounts of those contracts. Military exceeds all others combined.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:52 | 3030105 Northeaster
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Didn't Ron Paul just give an interview last week which stated ostensibly the same thing? The Military lobby is right up there with the banking finance lobby.

Seriously, once these guys reach "Full Bird" and are on a career track, they know the system and not who to piss off and are rewarded handsomely during/afterwards (apparently).

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:57 | 3030125 LawsofPhysics
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Correct.  The bankers need the protection, but the heart and soul of the military personnel is changing and has been for quite some time.  Based on what I have seen, many private security firms have better personal gear for their "employees" then the U.S. military.  No question the government agencies have the "big" toys, but even this is changing.  The sheep will always be lead to slaughter and the human world always remains at war of resources.  Same as it ever was.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:01 | 3030138 AnAnonymous
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Yep, 'americanism' is no novelty in the course of humanity.

Surprising that out of 5,000 years of recorded human history, only the 236 years show 'american' genes...

But hey, 'americanism' is human nature, so say 'americans' and any specificity of 'americanism' has to be diluted, claiming that it has always been the same situation.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:04 | 3030149 LawsofPhysics
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Yep, that must be why the Chinese have abandoned their culture for americanism.

Sad really.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:08 | 3030347 AnAnonymous
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How so?

The Chinese as everyone else live in an 'american' world.

'Americanism' is all for uniformization of the world.

'Americanism' spreading in China is just the sign of it.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:22 | 3030410 LawsofPhysics
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Right, because the Chinese have never been about uniformity <  Sarc off >

Thanks for the laugh!

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:04 | 3030148 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The biggest welfare queens are the defense/military contractors. They will also be the last freeloaders kicked off of the welfare gravy train.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:36 | 3030453 Cathartes Aura
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much easier for the hive mind to point fingers at "fat black woman" than "man in uniform" - well trained by their me-duh.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:52 | 3030106 SilverDOG
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Crime PAYS.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:57 | 3030122 AnAnonymous
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It is the substance of 'american' societies.

Move anywhere and criminals are always very attracted to the 'american' civilization.
Criminals are always among the first people to join the ranks of the 'american' world gang.

Go figure.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:09 | 3030167 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous knavery, propagangnam style.

Chinese citizenism cuckoo clockery.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:25 | 3030180 The Gooch
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"Chinese citizenism cuckoo CROCKERY"

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:42 | 3030270 Crisismode
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AnAnonymous lives in the PRC,


And submissively trolls ZH at his master's bidding.


Troll on, AA, your Chinese wall has been penetrated.


Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:59 | 3030312 lakecity55
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Cause in PRC, the Generals OWN the MIC.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:09 | 3030349 AnAnonymous
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Nah, I live in an 'american' world.

Trolling? That is an 'american' activity. Good for consumption.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:14 | 3030183 formadesika3
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<<But hey, 'americanism' is human nature>>

So what are you complaining about?

<<Criminals are always among the first people to join the ranks of the 'american' world gang.>>

I get it now. Chinese Communist Party is a criminal cartel.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:13 | 3030373 AnAnonymous
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Made me laugh.

'Americanism' is human nature, so 'americans' say.

'Americans' prefer propaganda and fantasy over reality.

In 500 years of recorded human history, only the 236 years show the development of the 'american' spirit.

Quite late for something supposed to be human nature.

But hey, one could bet that 'americans' are willing to label the other 4764 years the expression of sub/non humane nature.

After all, one legacy of 'americanism' to humanity is that story of subhumanity and non humanity.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:29 | 3030429 formadesika3
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So you resent what has been called American "exceptionalism".

Get with the program. President O already torpedoed it.

In all fairness - and all you asswipes who down-arrow me can bite it - there is truth in what you're saying. Except that comment aboiut subhumanity and non humanity is just wrong.


Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:49 | 3030455 akak
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In 500 years of recorded human history, only the 236 years show the development of the 'american' spirit.

Made me laugh!

Bad enough that the Chinese Citizenism troll continually rewrites history, but that was evidently not enough for him --- now he is negating history itself!  Must have been learned in his time-traveling cosmonaughty exploits while on the 'american' Easter Island of the 16th century --- a blobbling-up thing, the crustiest bit of a particular insanitational something.

Alas, alas, alas, alas, pentuple alas.  Just have to bear with it.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 16:59 | 3030707 TheFourthStooge-ing
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In 500 years of recorded human history, AnAnonymous has rewritten 4764 years of it.

Of course, that figure is cumulative. He has rewritten the history of many of those 500 years repeatedly, frequently based upon whether or not he is taking his prescribed antipsychotic medications, as well as whether he's been self-medicating at his neighbourhood Peoples Liberation Opium Parlour.

It's all just a part of the book he's working on, The AnAnonymous Fabled Past.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:52 | 3030108 BattlegroundEur...
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The bankers can hide behind this story for a few days atleast.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:14 | 3030379 Disenchanted
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Militaries and intelligence agencies are the goon squads of the banksters...


btw I posted a link to Strategic Maneuvers in another thread almost two weeks ago. What's all this about a "new report?"



Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:53 | 3030110 max2205
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This used to be a no no...when did it change

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:54 | 3030112 LawsofPhysics
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Isn't fascism great?

Same as it ever was people, hedge accordingly as the underlying energy complex simply isn't there this time around. Nothing changes until the supply lines for essential goods (i.e. commodities) start to break. 

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:55 | 3030114 the not so migh...
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Military-banking industrial complex cabal.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:01 | 3030136 tickhound
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Exactly!  I mean WTF, Mike?

It took you THAT LONG to lump military 4-stars in with the "lobbyists?"  sheesh.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:56 | 3030117 The Gooch
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So much for that coup fantasy.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:59 | 3030118 Cognitive Dissonance
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...."I never imagined the same thing goes on in virtually every sector of our corrupt crony capitalist economy…including the military." - Mike Krieger

"In this one deep the conditioning is." - Yoda

For the heavily indoctrinated and conditioned (which means the vast swath of the "new" world) it is the process of unlearning that is so difficult. On a dialy basis it is not the learning that I struggle with.....but the unlearning.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:03 | 3030144 JailBank
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This is no secret in the military. Saw it all the time. Dude retires/separates on Friday in uniform comes back to work for a contractor Monday.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:12 | 3030179 MachoMan
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Bingo.  Mike, this is what is commonly referred to as "moral hazard".  It isn't compartmentalized...  it can't be contained...  it permeates everything, eventually.  Of course, the neat thing about consumptive forces is that they eventually run out of resources to grow, thereby hard coding constraints...  the down side being what happens when the juggernaut becomes aware of its limitations...  or that the free lunch is but a myth.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:57 | 3030119 buzzsaw99
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he must be an idiot if he didn't already know that. that's why people who think a military coup is the answer crack me up. a military coup by who, the privates?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:59 | 3030127 AnAnonymous
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It is another example of "americanism for the dummies" as 'americans' picture themselves discovering what 'americanism' is all about.

Added to fabled past etc

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:24 | 3030212 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It is another example of "Chinese citizenism for communauties" as 'AnAnonymicans' picture themselves knowing what everything is all about.

Addle-brained rewritten fictional Easter Islandism past etc.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:14 | 3030381 AnAnonymous
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Absolutely. The article is about Chinese generals.

'Americans' as usual displaying their 'american' contempt for reality at hand, preferring fantasy and propaganda over it.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:33 | 3030440 akak
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Then that clearly makes you the world's #1 'american'.  Which of course is the mattering thing, the crustiest bit of a Chinese Citizenism trolling something.

Alas, al, sesquituple alas, just have to bear with it.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:01 | 3030137 Robot Traders Mom
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What do you mean "he must be an idiot" -who are you talking about Buzz?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:10 | 3030165 buzzsaw99
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Mike Krieger notes: "When I first figured out the gigantic ponzi scheme, theft and fraud within the financial system... I never imagined the same thing goes on in virtually every sector of our corrupt crony capitalist economy... including the military." Absolutely incredible...

Either he is a naive imbecile or I am just genius level beyond his wildest imagination because I have known this fact since I was a very young mutant.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:32 | 3030233 Robot Traders Mom
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I think he just meant going back on his learning curve (years ago). It definitely isn't a new revelation for Krieger, he's written about the military industrial complex before.


I also came from finance and I connected the dots with the financial market to the military at one point, just like he did. I know people in the military that connected the finance industry after they learned more about it in the opposite order. 



Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:50 | 3030286 The Gooch
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Better late than never.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:20 | 3030407 Disenchanted
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USMC Smedley Butler(Ret) connected the dots way back in the 1930s...


"War Is A Racket"

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:00 | 3030123 AcidRastaHead
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On Jan. 17, 1961, President Dwight Eisenhower gave the nation a dire warning about what he described as a threat to democratic government. He called it the military-industrial complex, a formidable union of defense contractors and the armed forces.

Too bad he didn't see the Banksters up to the same tricks, although would it have mattered?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:52 | 3030288 viahj
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all lobbyists want to suckle at the front teat, the problem is how easliy they can "purcahse" access from those who were "entrusted" to defend the Constitution and the Amerian people.  why we don't have a desparate shortage of tar and feathers, I do not know.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 13:58 | 3030124 ptoemmes
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What was it Willie Sutton and John Dillinger said?  

A major difference is what these generals do is not illegal.



Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:00 | 3030131 ILikeBoats
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Watch "White Christmas" from 1954 - the old general who has invested in a privately run business that is failing, is helped by former soldiers who he used to command.

Quite a contrast to today.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:02 | 3030141 AnAnonymous
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'American' works of fantasy stick so much to reality they can be used to draw conclusions on the real world, all this is well known.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:15 | 3030187's picture

Fa ra ra ra ra, ra ra ra ra...

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:00 | 3030133 Super Broccoli
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nothing new under the sun really ...

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:27 | 3030223 Dapper Dan
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Ain't that the truth Broccoli.


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Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:56 | 3030300 lakecity55
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Hey, all they have to do is use Kaddaffy-Duck's stashed CW, set them off, and claim Bashar did it.

Just quietly transfer them from Libya to Turkey and kill the witnesses.

You could even watch the transfer in real time at the White House and the Pentagon!

Then, you could claim the witnesses were killed by zealots angered over a TV show or movie or something.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:02 | 3030139 JailBank
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10 year Air Force vet here, and I can tell you everyone knows about this already in the military. This is no secret at all. Had a Capt pal of mine assisted out the door of active duty for refusing to sign off on a contractors work. His boss was retiring and angling for a position with that company and used all of his ability to drum out the guy attempting to do the right thing.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:04 | 3030145 dick cheneys ghost
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12 yr long wars are by design, not accident.....................does afghanistan even have a standing army?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:12 | 3030178 Widowmaker
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We ain't afraid of no ghosts [in the desert]!

And in other news greed runs deep in the military, too.

To think, citizens get to pay these ass-fucks twice, once for service and once for contracting on top of paid retirement.   This is easily remedied by Congress, mandating that our lucky stripes choose one or the other.

Bravo, General Fuckoff, you have sucked your last tit.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:53 | 3030291 lakecity55
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Yes, it does. It's called "NATO."

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:57 | 3030505 Disenchanted
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Remind me again which part of the North Atlantic Afghanistan is in... /s

North Atlantic Treaty Organization

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:09 | 3030146 NuYawkFrankie
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Re "The Shocking Statistics Behind The Pentagon's Revolving Door Policy"


That the Military Brass is "on the take" is shocking???  Maybe to a 5-year old, I guess.

(Pssstttt.... That' why it's called The MILITARY/Industrial Complex!)

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:57 | 3030302 aheady
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Seriously. Shocking? What is this bullshit?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 17:53 | 3030903 Henry Hub
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Sure, everyone knew about this. The shocking thing is that it is seldom mentioned in the media. A cone of silence has prevailed on the subject of out control military spending and the general's gravy train.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:06 | 3030150 ebworthen
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Eisenhower farewell speech warning of the military industrial complex:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist..

...The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded...

... We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow."

Insolvent phantom indeed.


Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:06 | 3030154 rayduh4life
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Sat in a conference next to an Admiral's wife.  She was bitching about having to pay a co pay for some medical expenses for her daughter.  She said she couldn't wait for him to retire so he could go and make some real money. 

Now there's an "entitlement".

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:15 | 3030189 Widowmaker
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Don't tell me you hesitated telling her she was welcome, and how about jerking you off.

Last I checked, decorated CEO's of war made over $200k/yr.

War is business, and business is good!

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:25 | 3030418 10mm
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Smedely Butler knew about the war racket for sure.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:15 | 3030190 MachoMan
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What are you talking about?  Public employees completely sacrifice themselves for the benefit of the country and care nothing about their pay.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:07 | 3030155 kevinearick
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amazing how the same eunuch algorithm is hidden under each dress, which are simple inverse abstracts from a common algorithm themselves...things you learn about black holes as a the black widow's connections become transparent...

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:08 | 3030159 AnAnonymous
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The dichotomy between public and private is so 'american'ish.

Soldiers stealing? That would be a surprise.

Who could have thought that 'american' military personal would be attracted to stealth jobs? It is well known that 'american' armies have been working relentlessly for 236 years ongoing to protect unalienable 'american' human rights like freedom and property.

The sad state of facts for 'americans' is that the world population is now massively 'american'. And you cant bamboozle an 'american' on the content of 'americanism'

Next big reveal: many 'americans' join the military to kickstart their life, living off blood money and getting entitlements in return.

Newsflash as delivered by 'americans'.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:06 | 3030326 akak
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Steaming roadside pile of kneejerk hate and bigotry as delivered by AnAnnoyingUs.

Alas, alas, alas, alas, alas, alas, septuple alas, just have to bear with it.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:08 | 3030161 4exNinja
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Explains why time and time again they won't do anything to stop pointless wars...there's just no incentive of doing so...that is, if you leave ethics and patriotism behind (which they are). 

It's all about the money Lebowski!! 

If you serve the US government, you should be automatically barred from lobbying work for 10 years. Want to work for a defence contractor? Fine! But you shouldn't be allowed to work as a lobbyist. 

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:08 | 3030163 AnAnonymous
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To the generals:

thank you for serving. Dont forget to help yourself.

Signed: an American.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:39 | 3030461 akak
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To the dedicated anti-American trolls:

thank you for serving up insanitation and offuscation.  Don't forget to relieve yourself on the side of the nearest road.

Signed: The Chinese Communist Sharty Central Committee.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:10 | 3030170 Dr. Gonzo
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I imagine this is how they did most of their business in the former Soviet Union as well...except not quite as blatent and corrupt.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:11 | 3030173 Milestones
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"Thoose who are ignorant of their history are doomed to repest its' failures" A paraphrase of Santayna's quote.          Milestones

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:12 | 3030182 Milestones
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Poorly edited by me.       Milestones

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:14 | 3030185 CrimsonAvenger
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Just one more by-product of our efforts to replace the concept of citizen with consumer.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:20 | 3030199 garcam123
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This ought to be pretty straight forward.


Where's Ahnold when we need him?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:20 | 3030201 notadouche
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But the only way to manage this fiscal cliff is to raise taxes on the productive citizenry and if you are productive you are considered "the evil rich"  meanwhile one hundred thousand more boondogles just like this exist and will not be considered or mentioned by the political elites.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:35 | 3030242 LawsofPhysics
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Please define "productive".  What thing of real value does a fucking banker produce exactly?  fuck the motherfucking paper-pushers.  Before we tax anybody, how about we make sure compensation is going to people who's labor is actually worth a shit first?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 16:27 | 3030606 notadouche
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Who said anything about a banker?  So now you seem to be in favor of defining what everyone on the planet makes in some sort of social justice move.  Who gets to decide?  Nice to know that you believe you know best of what other people should earn.  The market dictates what people make.  Take banker's out of the equation for a moment.  Fascists much?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 17:23 | 3030802 LawsofPhysics
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A banker is but one example douchebag.  Look at what "professions" spend the most on lobbying for your answer as to precisely who the fascists are.  Won't matter either way when the supply lines break.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:20 | 3030202 Pairadimes
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Now that any pretense of accountability to the taxpayer has been dropped over the last few years, this will only worsen rapidly, as every newly-minted crony fights for a spot at the trough. And it takes place at every federal agency, it just happens to be especially consequential at this one.

It seems hardly worth worrying about, since no one seems to care that all the federal bureaucracies are self-governing runaways, the currency will be destroyed before too long anyway, and purchasing power will evaporate across the board.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:23 | 3030205 JailBank
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If you guys think these dudes are abusing shit when they get out of the military I have tons of stories of abuse while these generals are in the military that are worse. I am not kidding you while I was in the Air Force we joked about the things these generals did and expected, but really when you think about it, it is sad.

1. A general visiting a delpoyed location demanded that half the chow hall be shutdown while he and his staff ate three times a day.

2. A general demnaded two fully armed security force troops stand guard at his house 24x7. His house already on a secured base AND a road secured at the entry points so only he and guest could drive down the road.

3. General demanded pealed oranges and diet coke be made available to him at every destination he visited and every building he walked in to just incase he wanted them IN A WAR ZONE.

4. General kept his personal F16 fighter jet at a heavy base so he could continue to get flight pay. Brought in other jets from around Europe to fly with him. Most dangerous pilot in the skies according to my ATC pals.

5. General shutdown a flight line a few times a month so he could jog around it wiith his staff. You know what it costs to dever planes to other air bases so a guy can jog?

Cripes there are so many more, and the wives of most of these dudes are even worse.


Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:50 | 3030485 Cathartes Aura
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amrkn royalty.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:21 | 3030206 mrktwtch2
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why is this news..

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:37 | 3030250 lostcause
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Why is this shocking? The quickest way to become a millionaire today is become a; background-attachment: scroll; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; background-position: 50% 100%; background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">politician. Look at all those on the left and right that went in with nothing and have become millionaire's while in office.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:51 | 3030251 haskelslocal
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How many of you Ron Paul loyalists went to page 8 to see his receipt of canpaign contributions from Boeing?


Top congressional recipients of campaign contributions during the 2012 election cycle:

-     Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA), Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA)

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:40 | 3030263 Joebloinvestor
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The old joke over 40 years ago was " Why do you think they call it "General Dynamics"?"

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 14:48 | 3030282 lakecity55
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Contracting rules have been tightened over the last few years. Having a flag officer (ret) is a must-need in some cases to get your foot into the door for bidding.

There is a lot of crony-ism and some waste, but the MIC is a dog-eat-dog bidding maelstrom.

Contracting is saving a lot of bucks. If you let only lifetime bureaucrats hire out, it would be a nightmare.

A good IG Corps should use precision strikes to weed out the jerks. We have fielded a lot of junk that did not work.

 The greatest problem facing Defense is our lack of Domestic Manufacturing. It is a risk to National Security!

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:06 | 3030342 Vooter
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Yeah, real shocking....

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:09 | 3030352 farmerjohn2112
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Move along... nothing to see here.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:10 | 3030358 Vooter
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Yeah, gee, I'm just shocked--SHOCKED--that the U.S. military is full of trash...

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:16 | 3030388 AnAnonymous
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full of ameritrash...

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:30 | 3030432 akak
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Go wok your dog.

And be sure to use LOTS of MSG --- superstitious dragon-bone-grinding quackpottery of 'Chinese traditional medicine' of fabled Middle Kingdom past says it is very healthy for you, make much strong the tiny Chinaman pee-pee.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 17:07 | 3030739 dogbreath
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AA is at least entertaining in a mildly unpleasant way.  you Kakster are just pathetic

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 17:40 | 3030862 akak
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Actually, there is nothing more pathetic, and disgusting, than dog breath.

Bravo on a name well chosen.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 06:03 | 3031835 dogbreath
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blow me

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:27 | 3030423 JailBank
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It is people taking advantage of the system. Happens everyday everywhere in the US. It is the culture we built.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:17 | 3030394 WallowaMountainMan
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so let's see...continue to fund the military industrial complex to the tune of more bazzilions per year than the rest of the planet put together or fund medicare and soc security?

oh, that's right....medicare and soc security are bankrupt.


forest trees forest trees....

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:19 | 3030398 JamesBond
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looks like they have more to fear from senators than generals...



Mon, 12/03/2012 - 15:42 | 3030465 Miles Kendig
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Hey Mike, you didn't really think all those trillions were washing around without a parasitic infrastructure, did you?  These processes are endemic throughout.  Perhaps the basic structures of social interaction will have a heart attack carrying all this extra weight before Ben ever prints enough to back fill all the pie holes

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 16:10 | 3030537 nah
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Mon, 12/03/2012 - 16:53 | 3030696 Nassim
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This is the American version of what went on in the City of London:


1- Get Rich

2- Get Honest

3- Get Knighted

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 17:30 | 3030824 Joe A
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Same thing with FDA people and the biotech industry.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 17:32 | 3030833 ReligiousAtheist1
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Excellent post

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 17:58 | 3030919 IamtheREALmario
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When are we going to start calling the "defense sector" by a more accurate and appropriate name, such as the war and "murder for profit sector"?

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 17:59 | 3030924 dolph9
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Try to understand that ponzi schemes have dynamics on the way up, and dynamics on the way down.

The very guy who benefits from the scheme may turn out to be the patsy in the end.

This is why it's absolutely crucial that if you know in your heart of hearts that you will never reach the upper echelon...that the protected positions or the "golden parachute" positions are out of your reach...then stop striving for them.

Because at most you will make it to the middle or upper middle, and those will end up being the patsy positions, the fall guys on the way down, after the top guys have made out with the loot.

Educate yourself about the way America works, don't rely on your traditional schooling or the media because they won't tell you anything.  At the very least, you can save your soul.  At the end of the day, very few will make it off this Titanic.

Mon, 12/03/2012 - 21:05 | 3031256 Bluntly Put
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Although I respect their efforts, the conclusion at the end of the video sort of says it all: "Clearly we need some new laws to address these problems."

Like the millions of laws we have already have helped in any way whatsoever with the plethora of cronyist problems we see destroying our form of government.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 03:26 | 3031779 nastaking
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LG has brought out two new personal video recorders (PVRs) with 2D and 3D Blu-ray playback and recording, targeting buyers who want an all-in-one digital video player for their SKYTABS V700D.

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