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Chart Of The Day: The Unprecedented Implosion Of European Car Sales

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The graphic below, which presents an unvarnished picture of Europe's true economic state, needs no explanation:

Source: FT

In the context of the above, no explanation is also needed that quietly, and without much fanfare, French car-maker, Peugeot, and Europe's second largest after VW, was recently GMed, and received a government bailout.

Carmaker Peugeot gets $9.1B government bailout

 

The French government has agreed to underwrite up to €7 billion ($9.1 billion) of bonds issued by Banque PSA Finance SA, the financing unit of carmaker PSA Peugeot Citroen SA, allowing the French automaker to offer low-cost credit to its dealerships and clients amid a slump in sales.

 

Peugeot announced the deal on Wednesday, Oct. 24. It also said it had agreed the basis of a €10.5 billion restructuring of existing loans and asked banks to provide a further €1 billion of new debt to its finance unit.

 

The deals effectively immunize Peugeot's credit unit against recent downgrades of its parent's debt rating. That had threatened to drive the lending arm's rating to junk and would have forced it to increase the rates on loans to its own dealerships and to clients, hurting car sales that are already suffering from a Europe-wide slump.

 

The government, in return for the debt guarantees and its role in cajoling the banks to extend new loans to Peugeot, has demanded that Peugeot pay no dividends, undertake no share buybacks and issue no new share options to its managing board until the debt guarantees expire. Family-controlled Peugeot also agreed to add a workers' representative and a government appointee to its board.

 

"The government has no intention of making gifts without demanding anything in return," French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault told France Inter radio on Wednesday. "We ask the PSA group not to pay dividends, stock options or buybacks - that would be scandalous - and to concentrate on turning the company around."

Expect many more such bailouts as a relentlessly socialist and protectionist Europe does all it can to preserve much needed votes jobs in the critical, if greatly uncompetitive, carmaking sector, and all other sector, soon to follow.

 


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Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment schatzi
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I blame lack of parking space at European dealerships. Channelstuffing for the win!

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:34 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Expect quick action.......almost everyone in Congress drives a BMW or a Merc.

 

Hell.....word is even the UAW has a fleet of them. They've been expanding.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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In the meantime, the sale & heavily subsidized leasing (another form of a "sale") of cheap & small vehicles (many of which are made by still massively subsized and even outright owned in significant portion by Timmay-Sold-To-You-Mr./Mrs. Taxpayer) in the U.S. to warm bodies with a pulse and a FICO in the 500 range is continuing to rise, allowing for unicorn sharting skittles Main Stream Media headlines to pronounce that all is well & good in the U.S. hood, despite what's happening on the other side of the pond.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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It's an exhilarating feeling flying by the broken down Merc on the side of the road in my Kia.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Fahrvergnügen bitchez!

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Peugeot 309, the best Front Wheel Drive car in the world, ever, period. Just for that, they deserve a bailout. (Disclaimer: I own one :-)  )

And as usual, the unreported part, since it might get the proles angry is that all these guys are ramping up their operations in the "3rd" world like crazy.

Huge core investment in manufacturing locally, sourcing locally, massive tax write-downs by a bought and paid for Indian government for CKD kits being assembled here... on and on.

GM is doing very well here, so is VW. MBZ even sold over a 100 Maybachs here in the past few years.

Tectonic shift in where the Connedsumers are.

That is the story behind this story.

the EU's commie-i-zation of the EU is marching on, clearly.

ori

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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All I can say is that I give thanks that I don't live in that old school bastion of socialism that is Europe, where the government intrudes endlessy into the affairs of private enterpise and tramples on the markets on a daily basis, thus distorting all market functions and introducing massive inefficiencies:

Fannie, Freddie Halts Foreclosures For the Holidays

Happy Holidays, bitchez!

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:20 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Happy holidays to those in that new school bastion of socialism...

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment smiler03
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Admittedly from August 2012 but the UK is doing well. UK car industry enjoys 22% rise in production:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/aug/16/uk-car-industry-rise-prod...

Nissan’s plant in Sunderland produced more cars in 2011 than any UK car factory has ever produced in a year before. (480,000 cars):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/8992045/Nissan...

Sales boost for Jaguar Land Rover, sales up 34.4%

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19193124

 

 

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment Freddie
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I was driving last night and saw a newish dirty 3 series BMW with an Obama sticker.  One headlight was out and an Obama type woman talking on a iPhone.  What a joke.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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It was Trav who put her headlight out with a crowbar...

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 12:01 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Automatic +1 for the "JFC People!!!" Trav reference.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment negative rates
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That's great, cause once you finally drive your beamer into the ground and have to leave it on the highway. You can always return to the orignal meaning of the company logo and, Break My Windows, as you thumb for a ride back home to......buy another beamer, Washington city style. 

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:29 | Link to Comment resurger
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 Seriously WTF!!!!!!!

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:33 | Link to Comment CPL
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I know...Renault gets a bailout.  Like bailing out the maker of the yugo.  Nice engines but they are fucking U G L Y cars.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment Cypher_73
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Peugeot, not Renault. You are car maker fail.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:16 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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the iran embargo cut big time into the P&L of Peugeot. most foreign brand in iran. When will the people overthrough their government?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Absolutely, the best way to tell the difference between the two is how large their smoke plumes are after the first couple laps of the F1 race...  (peugeot besting all other manufacturers, ever).

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment smiler03
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Peugeots are smoking?

 

Nor surprising considering that they haven't made an F1 engine for 12 years.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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were...  it was a joke...  but I never underestimate the ability of people to ignore the obvious.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment northerngirl
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Will the insanity ever stop?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:34 | Link to Comment CPL
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We'll pencil in lunch hour, but it'll have to continue right afterwards.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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Will it stop?  Hell, I'm about to get naked and start the party.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment timbo_em
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Of course not. After all they are politicians and socialists. Hollande, Montebourg and Moscovici have just begun their journey.

Save financials 1.0: check. Save automakers 1.0: check. Save unviable steel producers: check. Save unviable shipyards: tbd. etc.

France is knee deep in doo doo while the French people still think France is going to save Europe. 2013 will be a very interesting year for the Grande Nation.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:53 | Link to Comment CH1
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Will the insanity ever stop?

I dunno. Reality has been suspended, leaving those of us with functioning minds feeling almost sick.

Where IS reality? Will it never return? Has evil replaced good forever?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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Where was reality?

 

Even those with functional minds in western society have been "mislead"

for a considerable duration. 

No worries needed. Regression to natural selection reality, about to ensue.

 

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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Look, if you’ve been unsuccessful, you didn’t get there on your own. If you were unsuccessful at opening or operating a business, some government official along the line probably contributed to your failure. There was an overzealous civil servant somewhere who might have stood in your way with unreasonable regulations that are part of our system of anti-business red tape that allowed you to not thrive. Taxpayers invested in roads and bridges, but you might have faced city council members who wouldn’t allow you to use them. If you’ve been forced to close a business – it’s often the case that you didn’t do that on your own. Somebody else made that business closing happen or prevented it from opening in the first place.

Stolen and slightly edited from: http://thewhitedsepulchre.blogspot.de/2012/08/if-youve-been-unsuccessful-you-didnt.html

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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What's good for the goose...

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment phalfa5
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you didnj't build that .....

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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Well, seems due to rising exports the displayed car sales inside the EU had to be lower.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:31 | Link to Comment Capitalist
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Where is Daimler AG? People buying Mercs?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:31 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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I wonder - are sales of Lamborghinis and Ferraris up or down? That would show the health of the people who count, the .1%.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:36 | Link to Comment CPL
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Saudi' princes need something to drive their children to school as the fuck around toy. 

 

I would be interested in seeing Range Rover sales.  Hard to find an inch on the planet where there isn't one because of their tonka tough reputation and an engine that can run off a hobo's piss..

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:46 | Link to Comment resurger
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my friend almost died in a Range Rover accident, his Auto Driver malfunctioned on 70MPH ... he sued them and won

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:16 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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and I'll bet his jew lawyer made away with all the settlement fiats...

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment CH1
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(Breaking my own rule on trolls, but once in a while...)

Fuck you, you biggoted piece of shit. Deal with your own goddam sins.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment resurger
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lol , no he was not a kyke

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment DavidC
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They were good until they became bloated bling mobiles driven by arseholes.

DavidC

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Cypher_73
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This ^

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment smiler03
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 "They were good until they became bloated bling mobiles driven by arseholes"

 

OMFG!! Are you suggesting British Royalty are arseholes?

Be right back, there's a knock at the door. The Police are outside...... in a Range Rover?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/policeblue999/6922666850/

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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I was visiting the Range Rover production line the day the first model

being exported to the US came off the line.My host,the line manager,

put me in the first car off to try.It had just passed QC.

Most everything in the car didn't work.Hope they got better.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment smiler03
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@ CPL

 

August 2012. Jaguar Land Rover has increased sales by a third.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19193124

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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are sales of Lamborghinis and Ferraris up or down?

 

Those guys only sell their cars to people that have atually earned their money.....and they don't have to report crap to the public.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Rip van Wrinkle
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Bankers EARN money??

 

Please, do fuck off. Steal more like.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Dude we don't steal it.....we print it. Then we leave for home in our Ferrari's.

 

Instructional video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q6VsR_4PuQ

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Buy American

Those guys in Brunei do.

 

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment ali-ali-al-qomfri
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I was working in Switzerland when a new Ferrari engine and mechanic came in from Italy on a 767 Royal Brunei flight just for this mission, (I got on board to look at the aircraft it had gold faucets and was pimped liked I’d never seen). The story was that the Ferrari that was shipped just 3 weeks before was unloaded and driven right away,before oil was added and the engine seized on the tarmac, hence 'Fabio' was being picked up and flown personally to bring a new engine to install. 

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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I figure their sales have to be skyrocketing to the 'need to make a quick trip to Switzerland' crowd.  Of course, they might need a little more space for 'junk in the trunk' on the return trip.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:50 | Link to Comment moriarty
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Lambo’ is part of the VAG group (apparently that why they are more reliable these days, sadly not that I am in a position to know) and the prancing horse is owned by Fiat.

 

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment forwardho
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 GG, Will try to find link for you, In Italy, ferraris are being stoned, keyed and vandalized. There is a glut of used high end cars on the market. This is the natural conclusion to the all pervasive "class warfare" meme that has been promulgated by the Govts and media of the world. What has been sown, will reap but a bitter, meager yield. This misdirection has become a part of your very being. The ignorance of our people, will in the end, destoy us.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment desirdavenir
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PSA should really try to sell cars in the US: around 60 miles/gallon, price around 15000€ for standard cars...

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:42 | Link to Comment CPL
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The Ford fiesta and the Nissan swift get 70 and they cost 13,500 Canadian, or 10,000€, plus they come with options.  They don't last very long in a hard winter though.

 

They are very cute cars though.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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I don't understand the collapse in GM Europe sales. I thought the Euro crowd would be tickled to death to get a nice green Volt  with a 20 mile operating range for only about €30,000 plus 21% VAT and "We Hate Everything American" tariff. Maybe it's the occasional unexpected 4th of July fireworks display.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Cypher_73
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Meh Europe already has a slew of great looking subcompact cars. Wish they'd come to N. America but they never will whatwith str8 men here being size queens and all. Like a full sized pick up *really* makes up for a teeny tiny schwanz.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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What? You're not happy with a Smart For2 to go along with the tiny todger?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:26 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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That and american men are not midgets...  when we ride in compact cars it's like a bear riding a unicycle.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment zkay
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Your estimates are quite high.

 

http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/fiesta

 

Avg: 35mpg

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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toyota iQ or in the US called Sion has an even better mpg ratio, but the latter a horrible name attached to it ......

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment CPL
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No they aren't. 

They are coveted for their after market parts hacking because of that VTEC engine and the FACT it's a Toyota echo with better aerodynamic body design.  Unless the US build is different than the Euro/Canuck/Indian version.  You couldn't sell a sub compact with under 40 MPG in any country with the fuel premiums here and anywhere not the USA.  It's marketed at 58 MPG, with $800 in after market parts, tunes and rechips and easy installation (like you can do it yourself in a morning).  I can promise you either car listed above will, not MIGHT, will give you another 25 MPG minimum.

http://ecomodder.com/ 

If you don't feel like buying a new car.  (lol, why would anyone)  Search your car name you have and you'll find the average out of box MPG.  Then the mods you can do in ten minutes with a basic toolset and the specific after market parts listed.  The grand in mods will boost that models fuel economy by 80-200%. 

Best car for the buck if looking at eco modding isn't the ones I've listed.  It's the Caveliers, G5's and Chevy Blazers.  First the cars are cheap and the engines have power, just really, really baddly designed airflow, ECU and AC systems.  Putting $800 in a decent CAI, header extension, AC replacement (huge fuel pig), a tuned ECU plus you get to keep the power of the engine. It's a no brainer when owning a car out of warranty.

ROI period if you match the average driver is 4 months for an investment of $500 that will keep 2000 dollars a year of after tax money in your pocket.  That was calulated on a toyota echo.  On a truck, I bought my blazer for the reasons above (plus it's sweet looking), put in the $800 in parts, I get around 39 on average on highway AND I get to keep the power of the truck when I need it.  There are more things I can do like gear replacements and exhaust system, but they can be complex to do and costly (margin of error and all that).  Anycase, check it out.  Something as simple as removing the roof rack can improve fuel consumption by 15-25%.  Nitrogen in tires is another.  Weight reduction kits (some are so cool.  Spring can't come soon enough to work on it.)

There are guys on there that do the 1 gallon test, I believe some guy got to 75 with his documented and filmed list of mods.  Any performance modification that keeps RPM's low and power high...of course if you drive like a nut it doesn't matter the technology used.

 

 

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment semperfi
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Sandy's fault. If not, then Bush's fault.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment BraveSirRobin
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Sandy is Bush's fault

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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And Bush is Bush, Sr.'s fault.

We're not sure whose fault Barack is, but we suspect Frank Marshall Davis. They're trying to blame Barry on some goatherd.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:36 | Link to Comment youngman
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Mercedes lost a bunch on the east coast....bring em over baby....Johnny Pocketchange needs a new one..and they want the Federal Government to cover it all

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Rainman
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Something is interrupting the consumer debt flow. If it's consumer common sense, the state must do everything in its power to subvert it.  

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment reload
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Car sales may be cliff diving - but Bicycle sales in the UK are on a tear. Both as `lifestyle/sporting` gadgets but also as ways to get to work. The sunday times has 2 online cycle retailers in its fastest 100 growing business list. Suprise suprise - both the listed firms offer credit to purchase their goods. Obviously most of the goods are not made in the uk. Import shit and sell it on credit the UK business model in a nutshell.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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How about sales of scooters?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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At little or no cost to you!

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Casey Jones you'd better watch your speed! Operating your free scooter while on your Obamaphone is highly discouraged.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Here's the story about the scooter, and the scooter motor. Motor on scooter  : > )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrOek4z32Vg 

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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In the US anyone making $300wk before taxes can qualify to buy a $45k car.  Maybe the EU should consider this as well.  Of course you may have to get used to smaller living quarters but at least you did your part.  Nothing like seeing 20 somethings living with mom and dad with 30k or so of college debt, a job at home depot and a brand new camaroGT sitting out front.  

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:47 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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As I said in my post, they are offering 84 months to pay it back.  Buy one next year and your last payment will be in 2020.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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I hope you mentioned to your daughter that the insurance companies will love her also. Full coverage for 7 years.  Not to mention jacked up rates for being so young but not to worry if you can get thru the 7yr probationary period with zero tickets or accidents will give you a 10% discount on your next car purchase which will be immediately after this one because no plastic piece of shit is going to last longer than that and combined with wage stagnation and/or declines the next note will probably be for 10years.

Speaking of which I just about have my '55 chevy ready to roll as a daily driver I thought that would be funny.  Oops, I just bought a fully rebuilt 350 with moderate mods for a few k and installed it myself and it's good for at least a 100k.  Of course I admit the new wingding models are better suited for $8gallon gas.  Still not sure how people with $500 month hybrid payments are saving money.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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I have a 10 year old truck and a 30 year old motorcycle that don't owe me anything.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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"We ask the PSA group not to pay dividends, stock options or buybacks - that would be scandalous - and to concentrate on turning the company around."

Well, at least there's some common sense attached to the bail-out...

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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"Well, at least there's some common sense attached to the bail-out..."

Rare, but someone will complain bitterly about it.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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Some students can afford autos...

Students and the Sex Industry: Empowering or the Last Resort of the Debt-Ridden?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/students-and-the-sex-industry-empowering-or-the-last-resort-of-the-debtridden-8376363.html

Sex always sells...

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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Yeah, right. I haven't been able to sell any for over 30 years. My wife is such a tightwad.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:28 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Better than a loosewad I guess...

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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Society's decay starts with monetary debasement....  Lenin said something about it

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Midas
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I am the walrus.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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At least Euros have an option; they can take the public transport. Try that in USA.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 13:25 | Link to Comment Tsunami Wave
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Touche.  In England, tt might be pretty damn slow and often expensive when using public transport, but it is cheaper than owning a car.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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if you are not selling bullet/bomb proof cars..you got nuth'n..the new hot item. the 1% have spoken.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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So my 20-something daughter went car shopping over the weekend.  They offered her an 84 month loan on a $15k car.  That is not a misprint.  Fortunately she has been listening to my debt is bad rants and is still looking.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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Ask her, "Which would you rather do: Pay the car lot $15k, or pay the banker $20k for the same car?"  That's what I asked all my kids.

You know, it's a funny thing. They all moved out early.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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15K, or 20K for that matter, may as well be 16T for most of the eighteen year olds I'm familiar with.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:03 | Link to Comment edifice
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Soon it'll be 10-year loans, designed to mature when the car expires. This way, everyone will have a perpetual car payment.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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The never never.

Never worth its cost,never yours until its worthless.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Apperently Obama couldn''t save their auto industry and make it flourish like he did ours. Now if he will just get on to that lowering of the seas thingy.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Now if he will just get on to that lowering of the seas thingy.

 

Umm......where will all the fish live?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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O likes picking winners and losers.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment knukles
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Which have the big butts?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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I wonder how the sales of car tyres, of car washes and panel beating shops are going.

This crisis is being wasted by not allowing new paradigm shifts to develop. We are still obsessed with resurrecting the excesses of yesteryear. The demise of the car should have been met with greater investment and efficiencies in public transport.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:50 | Link to Comment BraveSirRobin
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Does anyone actually think we will ever run out of money?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment madcows
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nope, we can borrow forever.

YES WE CAN!

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment BraveSirRobin
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"YES WE CAN!"

Now say it in Spanish, and your transformation will be complete.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment BraveSirRobin
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Car sales by brand can be volitile month-to-month. If you exclude sales of Ford, GM, Peugeot, Fiat, Renault, BMW, and "others", sales were really quite stable from last month.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 12:59 | Link to Comment knukles
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We're elated Ferrari, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce and Lamborghini did so well?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:55 | Link to Comment topspinslicer
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in europe do they provide for zero percent financing on the $8 a gallon gasoline (substitute liter and petrol -- I don't want to be considered the ugly amerikan after all)

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment smiler03
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In the UK you certainly can get 0% finance but a substantial deposit of 20% and upwards is normally required.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment new game
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wish/think/realization(we are fucked), is now classified as a mental disorder.  think accordingly...

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment forwardho
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NG, do you have facts to back this up? I've long held suspcions of this. You may not be doing anything "wrong" now, but what is concidered "wrong" can change in an instant. Everything is being stored. You cannot take back your words. Be assured, they will be reassesed when the "definition" has been changed.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment knukles
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So does that make "We're not all fucked, just screwed forever." OK?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Ox
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Must be the only place in the world that's cutting back on Fiat...

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment farmerjohn2112
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<groan>

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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Invest in shoe companies.

We all, shall soon be walkin'... or standing in line.

 

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:20 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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A sound strategy indeed.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment lindaamick
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Just tack on another subsidy this time to the European auto industry.  More extraction from workers to prop up a model that siphons monies from workers to elites.  Have to pay those auto industry execs big bonuses. 

Look at any big institution...corporations, churches, military and you will see top heavy structures with top brass making millions with fewer and fewer workers making crapier and crapier products.  

Another day in the zero sum capitalistic universe.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment madcows
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well, the autodealer bailout , er vote purchase, worked for Obama, so you had to think they'd implement their own soon after.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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BTW you have to hand it to the bankers for figuring out a way to enslave young people with right from the get-go.  Why wait around for them to buy a house, we want your servitude now!  It's just a race from one group of thugs to another to who see can fuck them first.  You can get a student loan and a car loan and now be fucked for life.  Soon I suspect legal age parameters will have to be dealt with so they can go after the high schoolers. Surely you could handle 29.5 hrs a week working at Mcdonalds so you can buy that new mustang, no cosigner needed for anyone over 12.  Of course so that colleges can keep plowing it in also they will have to lower admission standards drastically.  No GED, no problem!  Sounds crazy but don't think for a moment that psychopath CEO's don't have these thoughts.

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:53 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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Accurate portrayal of the bankers credo.           Noble, green 4U

 US bank earnings up 6.6%, most in 6 years - @AP

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Tue, 12/04/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Well I take it Mercedes is doing quite well ?

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:03 | Link to Comment Super Broccoli
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It's so bad in europe that noone respect H. Ford predicables : make a car your workers can buy ...

 

since they are all relocating outside europe right now !!!!

Tue, 12/04/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment smacker
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The French Govt bailing out Peugeot? Erm...didn't anyone tell them that bailing out any corporation is prohibited across the EU? Or does that only apply to other member states?

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