First Japan, Then India, Now Vietnam; China Unfriending Everyone

Tyler Durden's picture

Yesterday we noted that India was preparing to send its Navy into the South China Sea - defending its mineral rights from China's increasingly vociferous presence. The Philippines also expressed concern. Today, it's Vietnam's turn as Reuters reports the nation is condemning China's "serious violation of sovereignty" as Chinese boats sabotaged Vietnamese State oil and gas company - PetroVietnam's operations (by severing a seismic cable). The actions stem from China's 'belief' that two Vietnamese-owned archipelagos (Spratly and Paracel Islands) are theirs. While China (who oppose unilateral oil and gas development in disputed waters) argued somewhat comically that "Chinese fishing boats were operating normally," the Vietnamese saw it as "blatant violation of Vietnamese waters," and are deploying marine police and a border force to stop foreign vessels. As one analyst noted, "It's going to lead to friction."


Via Reuters:

Vietnam condemned on Tuesday China's claims to disputed South China Sea islands as a serious violation of its sovereignty after saying it was setting up patrols to protect its fisheries and accusing Chinese boats of sabotage.




Claims by an increasingly powerful China over most of the South China Sea have set it directly against U.S. allies Vietnam and the Philippines, while Brunei, Taiwan and Malaysia also claim parts of the mineral-rich waters.


Vietnam's condemnation came a day after its state oil and gas company, Petrovietnam, accused Chinese boats of sabotaging an exploration operation by cutting a seismic cable being towed behind a Vietnamese boat.


Vietnam's Foreign Ministry spokesman condemned the cable cutting as well as some recent Chinese provincial regulations that identified the disputed Spratly and Paracel islands as Chinese, and a map that did the same thing.


"The actions of the Chinese side have seriously violated Vietnam's sovereignty over the two archipelagos," the spokesman, Luong Thanh Nghi, said in a statement.




Earlier, Vietnam said civilian-led patrols, backed by marine police and a border force, would be deployed from January 25 to stop foreign vessels violating fishing laws in Vietnam's waters.


A decree on the Vietnamese patrols was signed on November 29, the day Chinese media announced new rules authorizing police in the southern Chinese province of Hainan to board and seize foreign ships in the South China Sea.


"It's going to lead to friction," Carl Thayer, a Southeast Asia security expert at the University of New South Wales in Australia, said of China's new rules that take effect from January 1 on boarding ships which "illegally enter" waters it claims.


"If it begins to assert these rights and isn't challenged, over time it becomes customary, it becomes practice."


On Monday, Petrovietnam said the seismic vessel had been operating outside the Gulf of Tonkin when the cable was severed on Friday. It had earlier been surveying the Nam Con Son basin further south - an area where Indian state-run explorer Oil and Natural Gas Corp (ONGC) has a stake in a Vietnamese gas field.




"The blatant violation of Vietnamese waters by Chinese fishing vessels not only violates the sovereignty ... of Vietnam but also interferes in the normal operations of Vietnamese fishermen and affects the maritime activities of Petrovietnam," Dung was quoted as saying.




"Chinese fishing boats were operating in normal fishing activities," Hong said.






"China opposes unilateral oil and gas development in disputed waters of the South China Sea. We hope that concerned countries respect China's position and rights, and respect efforts made through bilateral talks to resolve disputes."


Singapore, home to the world's second-busiest container port, joined the Philippines on Monday in expressing concern at the prospect of Chinese police boarding ships. The Philippines on Saturday condemned the Chinese plan as illegal.


Estimates for proven and undiscovered oil reserves in the South China Sea range as high as 213 billion barrels of oil, the U.S. Energy Information Administration said in a 2008 report. That would surpass the proven oil reserves of every country except Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, according to the BP Statistical Review.


On Monday, China's National Energy Administration said China aims to produce 15 billion cubic meters of natural gas a year from the South China Sea by 2015.


It said the sea would "form the main part" of China's offshore gas exploration plans.

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knukles's picture

They didn't unfriend me  :)



molecool's picture

The dragon is spreading its wings.

walküre's picture

I wouldn't be so sure.

This has however the foot prints of our very own State Department all over it. The US needs to exercise some control over China. What better way to do that than turning everyone against China one by one. It worked well against Germany which became a threat to US imperialism and hegemonial status.

The eagle is spreading his wings.

N. B. Forrest's picture

Nah...  I just say is ChiComs acting like ChiComs. 

walküre's picture

ChiComs would still be pissing in their rice cookers if it weren't for our corporates going there and discovering the cheap labor pool. The rest is corruption.

We built them up and now it seems we're starting to take them down. The Yids are in control and they don't give a shit about inflation in China or what happens to China when the American and European consumer is tapped out and can no longer support the manufacturing there. The Yids can't put their banking foot print on China until they decimate the Chinese Politburo and bring in Yiddish banking.

If the Yids can't take China down, their gig is up.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

"...they don't give a shit about inflation in China or what happens to China..."

I don´t care much what happens to China.  They made their own bed, they can sleep in it.

gmrpeabody's picture

"This has however the foot prints of our very own State Department all over it."

Didn't take long for the tin foil crowd to jump on this...

Rakshas's picture

Ya know it may just have been an accident, yah and axident i tells ya.....


I know China has an impressive military as evidenced by.......


anybody got anything on Vietnam military or the phillipines?


oh they may have a navy and some airplanes too not sure never got that far....

Ignatius's picture

Vietnam has expelled everyone including the Chinese through the millenia.  I guess this is why we call them Vietnamese.  That said, millions could die over this.  Oh, empire....

Mentaliusanything's picture

Can someone explain to me why I fought that frigging War in vain. The Vietnamese have a short memory. Wish I could loose mine.

I hate Leaches & mosquitose, the smell of cordite and the smell of any burnt flesh.

The_Dude's picture

Ugh...stop with the video...please...or at least warn me.

CPL's picture

Nope, it's a Oil driven pissing contest.  Everyone needs an oil patch to sip from regardless of intention.  Although it's appearent that the US no longer requires the Pacific for anything anymore to hold the ever shrinking well output (just noticed an article on Lybian oil stating the point of the fuel being pumped which wouldn't run Ottawa on a weekday.)

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Ha ha!

- 1 to you, China!

A Nanny Moose's picture

Appears two Chinese Citizenisms didn't appreciate your humor.

kaa1016's picture

At the end of the day, no one is going to do shit. It's all posturing.

Global Hunter's picture

You're right it is posturing, but the posturing will may lead to more posturing, and then de facto alliances and actual written alliances...

Urban Redneck's picture


The tension lies in the adoption of a bilateral vs. multilateral approach to a solution.

Ironically, if it is the Chinese who are aggravating the situation- by agitating all the bilateral participants simultaneously, they are in effect advancing the case for a multilateral resolution mechanism.  All of which begs the question as to who exactly is stirring the pot?

The end result is the same- JDA.

Since the US won't be a party to the JDA or a beneficiary, if they are responsible for stirring the pot, then it to draw focus and attention from elsewhere where the US has a conflict with China.

"The actions of the Chinese side have seriously violated Vietnam's SOVEREIGNTY over the two archipelagos"
"China opposes unilateral oil and gas development in DISPUTED waters"

three chord sloth's picture

China may start something, but if they do, it will be short-lived. Nations full of one child families do not engage in long wars, as the death of a soldier equals the end of a family line. And nations with two generations of only children get two family lines dead-ending with a single death. Even rabid nationalism cannot overcome that kind of self-interest for long. "Bring the Boys Back Home" would be the Chinese national anthem within a year of the start of hostilities.

N. B. Forrest's picture

You nailed that one TCS.  That's the one reason I don't worry too much about the military ambitions of the Chinese Communists. 

gmrpeabody's picture

I recall China's blackeye the last time they had a spat with their smaller neighbor.

akak's picture

An Oriental with a black eye --- how can you tell?

Mad Max's picture

China doesn't have the resources to take on the whole world, or even the whole world ex-Russia.  They should be choosing their battles more carefully and taking on nations one at a time.  Their current trajectory is to take on the whole rest of Asia, which will bring in, at the minimum, the US, UK and Australia, and they don't have nearly the ability to battle that coalition.

It is looking a bit like Germany's territorial excurions c. 1938... one little adjacent country may be easy to take, two may be possible, three including a big bear or lion is an overreach with fatal consequences.

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

China thinks everything is their's.  They must understand what it takes to become the next superpower.

SheepDog-One's picture

Very easily, just dump $1 trillion worth of UST's on the open market overnite and watch the US implode to ruble....anytime they feel like it. You think China really gives a fuck? They let 50 million Chinese starve to death in the 1960's and said 'Oh well!'. 

Ookspay's picture

Except for the fact that China needs us far more than we need them. We are their best customer. Without us buying their widgets and trinkets they have a billion hungry peasants armed with pitchforks to deal with. China is learning that the customer is always right.

ItsEvolutionBaby's picture

lol you moron

the chinese can just consume the shit they make instead of sending it off to america 

Ookspay's picture

Lol moron? Have you ever been to China? 700 million are still waiting for flush toilets! They're 40 years from a robust consumer economy, like ours, LOL!

SheepDog-One's picture

China doesnt give a americans imagine they're trying to form a 1950's style Ward and Cleaver society? Dream on.

jumbo maverick's picture

Chinese citizenism need not frush toilets when loyalist citizenism can squat on roadside and rereive oneself on side or road. Grorious number one Chinese infrastructure ensures all citizneisms utilize roadway ditches for strong communist party crapping.
NOODLE-glorious Chinese citizenism
GUNPOWDERS-glorious Chinese citizneisms
Apples-glorious Chinese citizneisms
Rafable wrestreners and you silly frush toilets

akak's picture

The Chinese Communist Sharty Central Committee salutes you!

LFMayor's picture

yeah!  All that rubber dog shit they make they'll just keep at home.  That'll learn you bitches.

A Nanny Moose's picture

Psh....5 easy steps that any ruler knows about controlling the mob.

Step 1 - Create Strawmen.

Step 2 - Put Cheese in maze

Step 3 - Wait for cheese in maze to result in crisis.

Step 4 - Blame crisis on Strawmen

Step 5 - Watch rabid mob PRAY for gummint to coerce said Strawmen

Step 6 (optional) - Kruggybear blows his load because of all the jobs created by this gummint "activity."

Works every time. A frightened population is more....pliable.

Ms. Erable's picture

Reads like a translated stereo manual, with the original written in...



Mad Max's picture

Yeah, China has that weapon, just as they have some nukes - but doing that dump is financial MAD, China would be destroyed in the resulting chaos, while the US would be damaged but not destroyed.  They most likely know this.

Dollar Bill Hiccup's picture

Benny is a buyer. That's already a done deal with the Pentagon and State Department.

ElvisDog's picture

Bernanke would simply immediately buy the $1T in UST's that the Chinese dumped and problem solved. What's the functional difference if the Chinese central bank or US central bank holds that $1T?

ltsgt1's picture

QE under Bush - $600B, TARP - $700B, QE1&2 under Obama - $1.2T.

We had printed more money, $2.5T not including Operation Twist and QE to infinity, in the past 4 years than what we owe the Chinese.

Most Americans have no idea we are digging our own grave.

What save us is that the Europeans, Japanese and Chinese are just as stupid as we are.

toady's picture

If the Chinese stay focused south maybe the US. can stay out of it this time. If they look north to Taiwan, Korea, or Japan ...

Flakmeister's picture

The dragon has an unquenchable thirst for oil....

Jethro's picture

China and Vietnam fought as recently as the 1979.  China has had border skirmishes with India as recently as the late 1980's. 

China can't depend on the tired old argument of historical hegemony, and demand "respect".  If China wants something, it should go ahead and try to militarily take it.  China will face a steep learning curve in any military conflict with it's neighbors.  Please, please, please let China stop acting like a bully, and actually try to be one....

toady's picture

I wouldn't be in a big hurry to fight the Chinese. Sure, they may not have the most technological advanced weapons, but what they have should be good enough. Their tremendous advantage will be sheer population numbers. Take a look at some Chosin reservoir data and plug in today's weapons. Any China opponents better have the air power and will power to burn millions of them.

MachoMan's picture

In modern warfare, large numbers of troops are simply cannon fodder...  the days of conquistadors getting exhausted hacking the natives and eventually becoming overwhelmed are long gone.

toady's picture

It would need to be a hell of a big cannon. Even limited nukes wouldn't slow down a few hundred million.

It's a classic go big or stay home situation. India may be able to go big enough, the Russians too.

Everyone else better stay home, unless big brother is standing behind them.

Ms. Erable's picture

'A few hundred million' Chinese soldiers in the field at one time is the politburo's wet dream; very highly improbable, logistically speaking.

toady's picture

Who said soldiers? All they need is a small army to push a city or twos population toward the front.

In Korea they had one weapon for every three conscripts. They told the ones without weapons to pickup up what they could off the dead. A third of the conscripts didn't have shoes, even in 40 below temperatures. The ones that did have shoes had cheap sneakers that fell apart. Still, they wiped out two marine and one army division with all the wonderful equipment and logistics everyone quotes.

Basically, when the rubber hits the road, numbers matter. 120K will kill 15K. A million will kill 150K The only equalizer will be to burn them with nukes.

Mike Cowan's picture

It pays to have a navy.

LongSoupLine's picture

Sun Tzu just hit the crack pipe...

Dr. Engali's picture

China isn't going to do anything. It's just a little muscle flexing and a distraction for the masses.