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"Capitalism" And "Socialism" Are Most Looked-Up Words Of 2012

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In what is a modestly surprising development, Mirriam-Webster has reported that "socialism" and "capitalism" are the two most looked-up words of 2012, and thus, the words of the year. All we can say is, it is about time people learned the difference. And now that they know how the two differ on paper, they will get a front row seat to experience it in practice too.

For those still confused, here it is:

so·cial·ism, noun, \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

 

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

 

2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property; b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

 

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

And...

cap·i·tal·ism, noun, \ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm, ˈkap-tə-,

 

an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

More from AP:

Traffic for the unlikely pair on the company's website about doubled this year from the year before as the health care debate heated up and discussion intensified over "American capitalism" versus "European socialism," said the editor at large, Peter Sokolowski.

 

The choice revealed Wednesday was "kind of a no-brainer," he said. The side-by-side interest among political candidates and around kitchen tables prompted the dictionary folk to settle on two words of the year rather than one for the first time since the accolade began in 2003.

 

"They're words that sort of encapsulate the zeitgeist. They're words that are in the national conversation," said Sokolowski from company headquarters in Springfield, Mass. "The thing about an election year is it generates a huge amount of very specific interest."

 

Democracy, globalization, marriage and bigot — all touched by politics — made the Top 10, in no particular order. The latter two were driven in part by the fight for same-sex marriage acceptance.

 

Last year's word of the year was austerity. Before that, it was pragmatic. Other words in the leading dictionary maker's Top 10 for 2012 were also politically motivated.

"Malarkey" almost stole the show:

Harken back to Oct. 11, when Vice President Joe Biden tangled with Mitt Romney running mate Paul Ryan in a televised debate focused on foreign policy — terror attacks, defense spending and war, to be specific.

 

"With all due respect, that's a bunch of MALARKEY," declared Biden during a particularly tough row with Ryan. The mention sent look-ups of malarkey soaring on Merriam-webster.com, Sokolowski said, adding: "Clearly a one-week wonder, but what a week!"

 

Actually, it was more like what a day. Look-ups of malarkey represented the largest spike of a single word on the website by percentage, at 3,000 percent, in a single 24-hour period this year. The company won't release the number of page views per word but said the site gets about 1.2 billion overall each year.

 

Malarkey, with the alternative spelling of "y'' at the end, is of unknown origin, but Merriam-Webster surmises it's more Irish-American than Irish, tracing it to newspaper references as far back as 1929.

 

Beyond "nonsense," malarkey can mean "insincere or pretentious talk or writing designed to impress one and usually to distract attention from ulterior motives or actual conditions," noted Sokolowski.

 

"That's exactly what Joe Biden was saying. Very precise," especially in conversation with another Irish-American, Sokolowski said. "He chose a word that resonated with the public, I think in part because it really resonated with him. It made perfect sense for this man to use this word in this moment."

But at the end of the day, the two words of distinction rightfully go to those explaining where the world has been, and where it is headed.

And now at least the general population will be somewhat educated on both.

 

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Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:49 | 3035460 quasimodo
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"Imposter" is # 3?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:51 | 3035471 SeverinSlade
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Socialism = no private property

Gimme sum of dat! ...Is what an Obamanoid would say.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:54 | 3035482 GetZeeGold
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....and some mo dis!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:03 | 3035524 Enslavethechild...
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Socialism is when the less fortunate are assisted.

Capitalism is when the less fortunate are raped, pillaged and plundered.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:15 | 3035567 foodstampbarry
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Witness the smug, bloated, ugly face of the entitled socialist/communist. What also brings communism/socialism to it’s knees is the inevitable contempt for one’s fellow human beings.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:28 | 3035647 GeorgeHayduke
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"What also brings communism/socialism to it’s knees is the inevitable contempt for one’s fellow human beings."

Right, Capitalist never look at people as pure consumers or a source of profit or as cheap labor as mine owners with their machine gun wielding guards did in the past. When everything is view from an economic perspective, everything gets commoditized, no matter what they call the system.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:05 | 3035726 Stackers
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Now if we can just get people to start looking up the definition of "Cronyism" we might make some progress

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:45 | 3036017 NooooB
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And Oligarchy!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:37 | 3036475 Anusocracy
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It's past the time to flush the term capitalism down the memory hole.

The term free market is more useful and less ambiguous.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:37 | 3035686 Nothing To See Here
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Oh and what are we under the current system, if not units of consumption force-fed with cheap credit in order to stimulate the banks who must finance their master the State?

Capitalism may look indifferent on paper, but it does force people to respect the lives of others, equal or not.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:45 | 3035721 GeorgeHayduke
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I think you missed the point I was making.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:49 | 3036289 midtowng
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I beg to differ. Capitalism forces everyone to treat everyone as a stranger that can't be trusted.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:30 | 3037214 MeelionDollerBogus
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Economically everyone IS a stranger who can't be trusted - their needs & methods are secret & harmful at all times unless you force a deal, where one harm leads to a mutual harm & agreement is to do no more harm

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:20 | 3036163 foodstampbarry
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Capitalism? Where?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:57 | 3035773 GeorgeHayduke
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That's an assumption based on your biases. Many countries that are more socialist than the US, like the Scandinavian countries, have quite polite societies where people respect one another, and people outside their boarders. Perhaps the problem of treating people like crap lies outside the purely economic realm of labels like Socialism and Capitalism. Or maybe it's realted to materialism, and I've got mine screw you attitude or even religion as Scandinavia is less religious than the US.

It's easy to speculate and blame anything negative on things you dislike.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:10 | 3036121 Nels
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Socialism works passably in monocultural countries, where everybody pretty much believes that having a job and paying taxes is the way to live.  It doesn't work so well in Greece, or in other places that think that living on the dole is a job, and not paying taxes a right.

The Scandinavia you are thinking of isn't the Scandinavia of today's Malmo.  They've imported the same problems the USA has with their own new permanent underclass of welfare recipients.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:39 | 3036242 AnAnonymous
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'Americanism' has increased cultural diversity...

Ummm, well, joke.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 20:13 | 3037682 akak
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Invading peaceful and non-threatening neighboring nations, and gunning down Tibetan protestors and Tibetan nuns and monks, is what passes for 'cultural diversity' in the People's Republic of Blobbing-Up and Public Defecation.

Umm, well, not such a joke ... to the remaining Tibetans (for however long their culture manages to survive).

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:12 | 3035572 Shell Game
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Socialism is when parasites are assisted and crony elite bathe in wealth.

Capitalism is when parasites are shed and TBTF collapse.

Collectivism (i.e. socialism, facism) is when all are raped, pillaged and plundered and a crony elite bathe in wealth.

 

Fixed!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:52 | 3036307 midtowng
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In other words you are saying that socialism/liberals/and everything I hate = bad.

While capitalism/conservatives/and everything I love = good.

Nothing of your favorite ideology could ever deliver something bad, because if it did then you would disown it and claim that it isn't part of your favorite ideology...even if your favorite ideology consistently delivered bad things.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:17 | 3035595 Sockeye
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You clearly didn't even read the article.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:21 | 3035614 SheepleLOVEched...
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ummmm dont you mean to say socialism is when the less fortunate are raped pillaged pludered?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:34 | 3035679 HungryPorkChop
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Mussolini:  "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:42 | 3035999 Taterboy
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Obambi voters only look up two words: 1) free 2) shit.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:36 | 3036753 F. Bastiat
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"Socialism in Our Past and Future", Igor Shafarevich

http://www.savageleft.com/poli/hoc.html

Required reading, along with "The Socialist Phenomenon".

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:53 | 3035487 Stoploss
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Now search FACISM.

You know your fucked when a young history teacher doesn't even know what the fuck it is..

 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:02 | 3035521 Navigator
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The word you and your young teacher are looking for is Fascism.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:05 | 3035534 Sudden Debt
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THANK GOD FOR THE NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND PROJECT!!!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:30 | 3035654 DaveyJones
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it's easier to just spell thieves

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:01 | 3036585 holdingontomypants
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Under the definition of Fascism wouldn't countries like Iran be considered that with the additional inclusion added of "religious Fascism"?

Or the standard terminology used "Religious Fanatics".

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:07 | 3035544 Woodyg
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Exactly!   And how is "Capitalism" at all possible with a Federal Reserve weilding political power?
Its not.

And lets look how 'socialism' and 'capitalism' actually work in reality - both are in fact redistributionist in favor of the Robin Hood for the rich 1% policies.

Anything 'given' to the poor was already stolen from them by fixed markets and governments. 
One only has to look at the percentage of income that goes to each segment of society.  In the usa the vast majority of new income is going to the top 1% - they Captured that new income by gaming the political system using Fake Money to buy real influnce and assets.

Most Americans think 'Socialism' when what we really have is 'Fascism'.

http://www.custermen.com/ItalyWW2/ILDUCE/Mussolini.htm

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:11 | 3036635 holdingontomypants
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Now that you mention History teacher I am going to have to look at my sons 8th grade history book to see if that word is even in there.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:02 | 3035522 Sudden Debt
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and BUTFUCKED isn't in the dictionairy AT ALL?!?! GO FIGURE!!!!

 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:07 | 3035814 Ruffcut
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The least looked words are constitutionism and denialism.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:12 | 3036642 Anusocracy
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Slavery, which, thanks to the omnipotent State, is more common than ever:

Definition of SLAVERY (Merriam-Webster)
1 : drudgery, toil 2 : submission to a dominating influence 3  a : the state of a person who is a chattel of another

and freedom:

Definition of FREEDOM (M-W)
1 : the quality or state of being free: as a : the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action b : liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another : independence        

Which, thanks to the omnipotent State, barely exists in the modern world.  

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:53 | 3035483 Dr. Engali
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The very fact that they have to be looked up speaks to the economic illiteracy of the American public.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:55 | 3035490 Rearranging Dec...
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If we had a smarter less corrupt media I think the word "FACISM" would have been looked up most. Government for the corporations, by the corporations and of the corporations.

 

 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:14 | 3035582 Nothing To See Here
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Oh dude, like so many others, your conception of fascism is upside down. Fascism is not corporations controlling government, it's government controlling corporations. Ask former German or Italian industrialists wether they were really controlling their business when they were asked to produce this or that for the State...

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:24 | 3035632 Rearranging Dec...
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Regardless of who is pulling the strings there certainly is a symbiotic relationship to the detriment of the general American public.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:59 | 3035786 Nothing To See Here
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But "who" is pulling the strings is of crucial importance if we want to sort this mess out. I don't see a real symbiose here. There is an illusion of private owners working with the State, but all they are is a bunch of government-appointed bureaucrats robbing shareholders in what is still called the private sector. There are no longer real businessmen in large corporations, as the first skill a CEO must possess nowadays is lobbying. All that remains of the entrepreneurship spirit is in the small business sector, and it is dying a slow death under the costs of bureaucracy and regulations designed to protect the State's businesses.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:28 | 3037204 MeelionDollerBogus
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NO it is not - they pull the strings together and we are the puppets - that alone matters

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:29 | 3035651 Colonial Intent
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I wanted to give you an up arrow then you mentioned italy

Italy was

"corporations controlling government"

Private Facsism

 

Germany was

"government controlling corporations"

State Facsism

 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:55 | 3036314 midtowng
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And yet in fascism those coporations made ungodly amounts of money by cooperating with the State. This wouldn't be true in socialism.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:56 | 3035494 machinegear
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People might be surprised through their extensive research of the dictionary that they are not synonyms. 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:59 | 3035502 pepperspray
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Malarkey!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:28 | 3035497 foodstampbarry
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What's capitalism? America hasn't been truly capitalist in over a 100 years.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:00 | 3035505 blunderdog
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You can't really understand the meaning of either word by looking up the definition. 

Not to mention that we've got an enormous industry which is literally devoted to blurring the meaning of the terms.

In a lot of places in the US, we call clear plastic tape "scotch tape."  The company that managed to dominate that product market is pretty happy with that.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:00 | 3035506 homersimpson
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Looks like all the Barack voters are finally educamating themselves.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:00 | 3035509 Tsar Pointless
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Fascism. Corporatism. Private-public partnerships. That's what we have, and have had for quite a while.

We haven't had "capitalism" for a long, long, time.

And we've NEVER practiced socialism. Or communism, for that matter. Contrary to what a multitude of ZH-ers believe.

Yep - it's fascism.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:19 | 3035606 Nothing To See Here
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Fascism is an offspring of socialism. All fascists are socialists at the core. Hitler and Mussolini never tried to hide this. Historians did.

Nazi : nationalsozialismus (engl : national socialism)

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:15 | 3036140 Eddy Vluggen
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"Fascism is an offspring of socialism."
Wrong, you'll find my argumentation in the Constitutio Politeia from Plato. Yes, it's THAT OLD.

"All fascists are socialists at the core."
Wrong again. Fascism is often presented as a "socialist" society, but that doesn't make it one. The world has lots of "republics" that are such in name only, and are outright dictatorships at every other level.

"Hitler and Mussolini never tried to hide this. Historians did.

Nazi : nationalsozialismus (engl : national socialism)"

Strike three; they're an extreme right-wing party, socialists being left.

That too, was a fascism.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:24 | 3036693 Anusocracy
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Fascism is conservatism's version of liberalism's socialism.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:37 | 3036762 F. Bastiat
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National Socialist German Workers' Party, NSDAP - national socialism.

Marxists, Soviet Bolsheviks - international socialism.

They're essentially the same thing - totalitarian collectivism.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:57 | 3036321 midtowng
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Wrong. You need to study what happened and why. The first people in the concentration camps were socialists and communists.

You need to educate yourself.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:13 | 3036380 tsuki
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Reading Jonah Goldberg will rot your brain.  Fascism is the merger of corporate and state.  You can call yourself anything, that does not mean you are what you call yourself. 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:42 | 3036253 AnAnonymous
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We haven't had "capitalism" for a long, long, time.
_______________

The world has been having 'americanism', starting from 1776,July,4th.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 20:14 | 3037685 akak
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The world has been having screamingly high levels of hypocritizenism, starting from your birthday.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:01 | 3035513 luckylongshot
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When you consider that the October revolution in Russia was funded and openly celebrated by the Morgans and Rockefellers, the difference between capitalism and socialism becomes blurred. The real difference seems to be between countries where governments own the right to create money and those where private bankers have taken over this right.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:08 | 3035550 Tsar Pointless
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You can add the rise of Hitler and the support for Mussolini to the list, too, luckylongshot.

And FDR's ascension to the presidency was greatly funded, of course, by Wall Street interests.

Go read Antony Sutton for more, detailed and graphic, information.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:59 | 3036327 midtowng
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Britain and America invaded Russia in 1919 to try and overthrow the Bolshevik government. OTOH, many capitalists were saying right up until the start of WWII that we should allie ourselves with the Nazis.

History disagrees with you.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:58 | 3036572 luckylongshot
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The February revolution in 1917 saw a democratic government take power peacefully. The problem was the banksters were going to be sidelined and so theyy funded the bloody October revolution. There were photos of JP Morgan celebrating thjis shown in the papers. What happened afterwards was that the USSR did not go along with the banksters and thus an invasion was threatened...

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:01 | 3035515 Life of Illusion
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By the time they get to debase and monetizing debt, you’re too late.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:02 | 3035517 Justlookatit
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Im sure the definition of capitalism was the spark for the OWS movement.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:04 | 3035525 PaperBear
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In a socialist world nothing gets done because there is not a sufficient incentive for getting out of bed

 in the morning.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:10 | 3035568 Dapper Dan
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In the sweet old country where I come from, Nobody ever works, Yeah nothing gets done/We hang fire, we hang fire.

Mick Jagger/Keith Richards

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:26 | 3037193 MeelionDollerBogus
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Collective ownership, yields & security is all the reason one ever needed - met fully buy socialism. Only some are driven to innovation, not all - the benefit of capitalism

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:08 | 3035552 Inthemix96
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Socialism is what we have had here for nigh on 30 years peeps.

I am busy writing a paper on it for the government, who are paying me rather well to comment on it.  It should take another 15-60 years to finish it.  I'll let you all know how I get on, in due course, of course.....

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:11 | 3035569 Tsar Pointless
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An example of a ZH-er who doesn't understand or know political/economic thought and theory.

Please, educate yourself before you provide further comment on this subject in the future.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:14 | 3035581 Inthemix96
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Erm, sorry, its meant to be dry humour??  Promise I wont do it again though....

:-)

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:19 | 3035604 mckee
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This forum is for serious discourse and silliness will not be tolerated or understood!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:33 | 3035665 stormsailor
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No more shenanigans. No more tomfoolery. No more ballyhoo

 

 

 

so you putt from the rough?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:52 | 3035752 Tsar Pointless
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Normally, I'm quite astute at noting sarcasm/dry humour. Sorry for not being able to do so this time.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:09 | 3035561 mckee
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"Molotov" And "Survivalism" Are Most Looked-Up Words Of 2013
Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:31 | 3035663 DaveyJones
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I vote for "inflation" and "hyperinflation"

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:42 | 3035714 mckee
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"Molotov" And "hyperinflation" Are Most Looked-Up Words Of 2013

 

all good now

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:29 | 3036718 Anusocracy
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Lockdown and curfew.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:53 | 3035757 GeezerGeek
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Did you omit the cocktail part of Molotov? Or are you suggesting that our Dear Leader resembles V.M. Molotov, the commie functionary?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:01 | 3035793 mckee
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I assumed readers would be intelligent enough to catch the subtlety of a person who had to look up what a molotov coctail was may ommit the "cocktail" part since V.M. Molotov would be much more obscure.

 

Guess what?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:18 | 3035575 brodix
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Socialism is an organism. Capitalism(actually "free markets") is an ecosystem. Organisms live and die, while ecosystems regenerate, as their components live and die.

The problem is that capitalism isn't really about free markets, so much as it's about the production and storage of capital, ie. the product and business of the financial system.

If we want a market that is not just an internal ecosystem of finance, we need to start treating money as the contract it is, not the commodity we have been taught it is.

 There is no such thing as a level playing field, when one of the players own the field. Government used to be private. It was called monarchy. Anyone really want to go back there? Does anyone want to live in a society where the courts, police, roads, etc. are all privately run corporations? Society needs both public and private functions. Too much government and you have North Korea. Too little and you have Somalia.

 Money is a public utility. If people understand that, they would be far more careful how much value they take from resources and social relations to put in banks. This would create a healthier environment, stonger society and more stable monetary system.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:26 | 3035639 NidStyles
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Money is both. Rothbard extrapolated as such.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:44 | 3035720 mckee
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-1 for using "extrapolated"

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:58 | 3035783 brodix
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Yes, so we have a financial system that churns out enormous amounts of these fiduciary obligations by peddling them like candy to any fool or public official(not to repeat myself), as well as creating vast bubbles of mutually supporting promises. For what? So they can skim the cream off the top.

 Money is a commodity to bankers just as legal contracts are commodities to lawyers. Both are necessary to a modern society and economy, but certainly not in excess.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:28 | 3035645 LawsofPhysics
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"money" is a human construct and the laws of Nature and physics really don't give a shit.  A stable monetary system (one that can't gamed by a relative few) allows productive trade and innovation to occur which is what a productive economy is really about (not some bullshit "rentier" society).  Let the bad ideas and poorly run companies fucking die already.

Address the moral hazard and so much of the shit fixes itself.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:33 | 3035670 DaveyJones
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well said

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:03 | 3035806 brodix
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The problem is there is limited investment potential in what is truly productive and innovative. Trying to store excess notional wealth above and beyond that natural limit only creates speculative bubbles and in the process diverts wealth from valid, but not immediately productive investment toward short term speculation. As well as burning off resources that can't be easily replaced.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:40 | 3035988 blunderdog
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     Trying to store excess notional wealth above and beyond that natural limit only creates speculative bubbles and in the process diverts wealth from valid, but not immediately productive investment toward short term speculation.

That right there is where some politician or pundit would jump in and say you're engaging in class warfare. 

It's funny, if it doesn't make you weep at just how effectively the discourse has been derailed.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:24 | 3035626 LawsofPhysics
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Apparently the word "fascism" has been removed (along with the expression"free markets")

Long black markets and personal security companies.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:35 | 3035681 Urban Redneck
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Can there be a greater testament to the illiteracy of the masses that they even need to look that shit up?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:37 | 3035690 debtor of last ...
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I don't care what it's named. Get it off me.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:41 | 3035706 Zerohedge fan
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Socializm-wealth transfer pyramid.

Capitalizm-social system profiting on usury

Communizm-final stage of both

 

F**K--I have to live in all 3 of them

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:43 | 3035715 Nothing To See Here
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What I find bizarre about today's socialists and fascists, which is verified by reading posts above as there are many of them, is that they put a lot of efforts into ignoring their own nature and pretending that they are NOT socialists or fascists.

Well, as for myself, I'm a capitalist and I SAY IT OUT LOUD.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:46 | 3035727 Ricky Bobby
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UH OH the evil word CAPITALISM has been written in a blog somewhere. The NSA scanner alert is flashing, unleash the Bolshevik Bots.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:46 | 3035730 JOYFUL
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Although "socialism" is widely represented to be the antithesis of "capitalism," there is in truth no wide gap between the two ideologies, as evidenced by the fact that the founders of both were identical, and by the further truth that all C20th century bolshevik\communist style 'revolutions' were originated and founded by the very fount of so called "capitalism" - the Wall Street financiers and their Frankfurt co-conspirators...

the original Communist International was composed of Lionel de Rothschilds, Heinrich Heine, and Karl Marx. Marx wrote his manifesto in collaboration with the industrial scion Engels. As Mullins most carefully explains in his Curse of Canaan, the twin forces of sionism and socialism were put in motion by the frankist-sabbatean moneypower in order to effect a transfer of wealth and power from the existing landed classes to the nouveau riche hebraic bankster class, who used their financial leverage to marry into their enemies and destroy their influence from within. The ideology of capitalism was their method of subverting the productive elements of goyish middle classes into acceptance of their program of seizing social and political power and re-ordering western society into a neo-feudal plantation through the old carrot and stick approach.

The fiction that so-called capitalism somehow represents an alternative to statist power monopolies is the biggest stumbling block to effectuating a real challenge to the power of the fascisto-communist kleptocracy which has usurped power at all levels of the western states.  There is a pressing need for otherwise intelligent people to throw off the shackles of their indoctrinated acceptance of this sio-nazi BIG LIE and begin to examine the evidence empirically...

efficient and self sustaining systems based on entrepreneurial  values and the production and distribution of real goods for real people do not in any way require or depend upon capitalists, or their misappropriated capital...in a free society wealth flows freely as a consequence of the role of money being the means of measuring value, rather than a store of value...and quality of life overcomes the quantitative fixation of the material-obsessed cabbalist and his compulsion to acquire at the expense of enjoy.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:12 | 3035838 Nothing To See Here
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Huh? Who founded capitalism??!

Capitalism is the natural economic order. Nobody invented it, but every society tried to hold it back. That's because we are tribes and we feel the urge to follow a "leader".

Socialism, fascism and other forms of collectivism have all been founded by some luminary who had the pretense to hold the truth to all of humanity's problems. And people listen.

But as is the case for all such luminaries, there's always this little something which escaped their attention and unfortunately invalidates their whole theory... But people won't listen.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:51 | 3036042 blunderdog
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"Dividends" are about as closely related to a "natural order" as polyethylene recycling is.

Very complex abstract structures and relationships have to be maintained in order for "capitalism" to exist.  Ignore this fact only at great peril.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:06 | 3036108 Nothing To See Here
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What's the relationships between dividends and capitalism? Because stocks give dividends and people believe that stocks are a capitalist item? They are not.

True capitalism requires personal responsibility, and thus rejects the idea of corporations ("moral persons" behind which real persons hide their responsibility).

In a capitalist system, you could invest in a venture, but not through stock exchanges since nobody would be fool enough to invest in a venture whose leadership they don't personnally know.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:34 | 3036218 blunderdog
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You can make whatever claims you like about "capitalism" as long as you never define it.  That's the beauty of the current situation.  You're in love with a word that can't be defined.

It's just like "God."

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:23 | 3037178 MeelionDollerBogus
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investing in a farm, hunting grounds or a garden gets dividends in food returns continuously - it's 100% natural. Even ants farm aphids, you dolt

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:38 | 3037255 blunderdog
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Taking a term out of context by changing the working definition doesn't change the point, fuckhead.  If you've got a brain, go ahead and demonstrate it by answering the *point* rather than misapplying the word "dividend."

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:03 | 3036094 Ghordius
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"Capitalism is the natural economic order". Well, I wish it could be proven, somehow

But all humans ever found in a "natural order", i.e. "primitive", or better, in the hunter-gatherer stadium have this pesky social habit of disdaining any accumulation of "goodies" (aka capital) and a strong social pressure to share everything between the tribe (gasp! communism!)

in fact it looks a bit like the common progression as seen in history would be

hunther-gatherer (over 100'000 years) communist: nobody accumulates, everything is shared, pure collectivism

farmer & early city builder (since 6'000) tribal fascist, including "great works", be them walls, roads or pyramids

if you read carefully Plato you'll notice that he was describing the transition from a tribal-fascist system (as his uncle, one of the Thirty Tyrants tried to conserve) to what we have today, beginning with Athens-the-State granting some individual rights for some of it's dwellers, called citizens - though note that in this system the citizen is a stakeholder of the City-State, with duties that correspond to rights

it was only in the context of this stakeholdership that the ancients granted to the individual the previously unheard-of right to accumulate capital without restrictions, and usually this in the context of the census of the wealth classes that were asked to contribute to the state's efforts accordingly

And all ancient civilization had - often all 50 years or so - redistribution "revolutions", like the Babylonians or the one of Athen's Solon or as described in the Bible

Themistocles, for example, asked the 300 richest citizens to pay for a warship each during a Persian War. A Greek or Roman knight was someone in the second highest wealth class, a Roman senator one in the highest, and both classes had heavy military duties, among others

so you could say all those socialists and communist are responding to an atavic call of earlier times

communism is the mother of fascism and fascism is the mother of capitalism, and capitalism is sometimes the mother of free markets systems

I know, I know, this grates against the great tale of the individual fighting and achieving a livehood all alone - but I'm sorry, we had individualism (for more than the rulers) only twice in history: during the ancient age of the city states and since the end of the Middle Ages

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:39 | 3036769 F. Bastiat
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Check Shafarevich's brilliant work on "socialism":

http://www.savageleft.com/poli/hoc.html

 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:07 | 3036875 Anusocracy
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Very good explanation.

Most people aren't interested in where their belief systems come from, much as a computer isn't interested in where its operating system comes from.

Just as humans transitioned from a hunter-gatherer culture to a sedentist culture, they are attempting to transition to a freedom culture.

Hopefully the transition won't be as violent (or as prolonged) as the transition at the hunter-gatherer sedentism boundary. Ten thousand years is a long wait for freedom.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:43 | 3036262 AnAnonymous
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Capitalism is the natural economic order.
_____________________

'Americanism' is also human nature. Make a pick.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 20:16 | 3037692 akak
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Public roadside defecation is also Chinese Citizenism nature.

Make a nose pick.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:38 | 3036765 F. Bastiat
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"Capitalism" is a marxist word. The very use of it implies acceptance of false marxist premises.

There is no reason to accept false marxist premises.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:22 | 3037174 MeelionDollerBogus
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Capitalism - consenting trade & private ownership is equal to socialism - collective ownership without a required central and/or government control - as natural order and built before language even existed.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 21:59 | 3041360 Meta Fundamentalist
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Heinrich Heine
Scources please.

Schwöre nicht und küsse nur,
ich glaube keinem Weiberschwur.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:55 | 3035741 BlackholeDivestment
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 ...this ain't Heaven on Earth and we ain't in Kansas no more, dipshits.

Socialism 101=666, the name and number of a man in the image of the false and fake (g)od of Sirius, supposed to be the elder of man before the human race and Earth existed, and creator of a monkey rising from the sea and evolving into man, then rising up into space where this (g)od of Sirius came from. LMAO!

...if you have been watching then you ''know'' when I tell you it's TRUE that there is always a number that points to the time that defines the historic mark on the chart declaring ''PEAK CORRUPTION'', and it ALWAYS MEANS DESTRUCTION WAR AND DEATH, and we all have no choice but to agree on that number as a result of the fact that it is proven and written in the past ...over and over and over again. The Historic PEAK NUMBER.

The City of Babylon is fallen and the WRITING ON THE WALL declared the ''WANT'' of CORRUPTION, which defines the END RESULT, WRATH! So, even if we do not agree, the CHART NUMBER MAPPED OUT FOR US IS DEFINED BY THE PATTERN OF THE SAME OLD CORRUPTION. You can look back and see Sodom of Hussein, with an eye full of desire, or, you can look ahead and see where this ship of fools is going and get the hell off, because; if you don't, YOU KNOW WHAT SHALL HAPPEN, THE CASE IS CLOSED. It's not new, it's not news, and that is THE WHOLE TRUTH. 

So ask yourself this question, if you will:

If I told you what number I know this current market flow is defining, even if we do not agree on the root meaning of the ''Symbol'' of this number, which I claim is equal with the historic face of everyone who is AntiChrist, you still know the market number for PEAK CORRUPTION. SO! ...with this in mind, would you not agree at this point, if you were to put a SYMBOLIC NUMBER on what we all can see, coming or going, with this BLACK HOLE OF A MARKET, and I said ''666'', would you disagree with that number being perfect to define the CURRENT global reality for PEAK CORRUPTION THAT MATCHES THE PAST and FUTURE? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQru7oCdYXA 

P.S. 666 101= You shall surely die if you accept the lie that you will not perish if you accept the mark of the beast. LMAO ...bitchez.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:56 | 3035770 Colonial Intent
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BD, you forgot to take your meds today.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:03 | 3035800 BlackholeDivestment
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Colonial Intent, LMAO, go straight to Hell. 

 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:31 | 3035929 waterhorse
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If we get there before you do, we'll save you a seat.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:40 | 3035967 BlackholeDivestment
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''If'', LMAO. Man you are stupid. Just what do you call a place where everyone has died in the past? You are home, dipshit. Maybe you should consider that before you kick your own ass again, idiot. LMAO. Think about Christ, go above and beyond the call of duty, moron. 

P.S. ..or just carry on, buy sell and trade. LMAO, the number of the beast, 666. LMAO. Siriusly, you must be joking. LMAO.

 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:49 | 3036012 Colonial Intent
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BD, Is it your fear of hell or your greed for heaven that makes you believe?

P.S.

You shall surely die if you accept the lie that you will not perish if you accept the mark of the beast.

Barcode? fuckwit, its on nearly everything you bought today.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:50 | 3036037 BlackholeDivestment
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I fear not, and walk through this hell hole, dipshit, and if you have a clue, Treasure in Heaven is defined by your dusty ass risen in agreement, moron.

 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:53 | 3036053 Colonial Intent
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Perhaps you should try taking some responsibility for your actions instead of blaming it all on supernatural beings.

Not saying the world isnt fucked like you say, just saying prayer aint gonna help coz no one is listening*.

* except possibly the NSA.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:00 | 3036078 BlackholeDivestment
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Yeah, to your P.S. ...no shit Sherlock, you can't buy sell or trade without the mark of the beast, Duh.

Responsibility, yeah, who escapes death, dipshit? 

NSA, LMAO, good one. They must have been working over time on 911 this time too huh? LMAO. Morons. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqUa_G1h3pw

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:17 | 3036114 Colonial Intent
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I agree, death is the end.

 

Red rider? how did i miss them in the 80's, didnt get em in the uk.

 

NSA, KGB, It's all the same conspiracy

http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858484038/
Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:53 | 3036051 blunderdog
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You're being trolled by a lunatic.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:55 | 3036062 Colonial Intent
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Sounds like my first wife.

 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:06 | 3036099 BlackholeDivestment
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Well at least she's not married to an idiot Colonial anymore, or some General BetrayU.S. moron. LMAO. .

..so you are married to your foot, and yer in the Fight Club. LMAO.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:16 | 3036134 Colonial Intent
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BD, I think you'll find 'General BetrayU.S' membership of the 'club' was revoked cos he refused to run against O'bama.

Why the hell didnt the repubs run ron paul, do they not get new media, oh wait the election debacle.

I guess the repubs dont get new media, RP could have stopped the demographic rot even if he had lost, whats more important winning an election or keeping your party relevant?

Repubs ran on a policy of hoping the enemy would run out of ammo if they sent enough troops 'over the top' If they had changed their policy instead of doubling down on it.....

Improvise, adapt, overcome.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:25 | 3036189 BlackholeDivestment
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General BetrayU.S. defines the President and all his men, lol, including the dead Ambassador that called 911. The Red pill freaks love the shit out of that Adultress Ass, like a Four Star Whore House on the Jersey Shore. 

Inlist, assume the post, 666 ...and you shall perish on 911 2012, like trillions in the Pentagon or in WTC 1 Cantor Fitzgerald. It never mattered what party was in charge, they are compromised by the same deadly corruption. Open your eyes a little wider than wide shut, Stanley. LMAO

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:34 | 3036204 Colonial Intent
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"I can figure this out. This isn't even real, You're not real, that gun... That gun isn't even in your hand, The gun's in my hand"

"Good for you. It doesn't change a thing, Why do you wanna put a gun to your head?"

To change the world?

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 03:46 | 3038480 BlackholeDivestment
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LMAO, ''To (change) the world(?), LMAO, you sound like POTUS sealed after election. LMAO, and you offered ''gun'' ''gun's'' ''to your head''.  

Colonial Intent, you are in deep shit, there is no doubt. LMAO. Siriusly, bla haa haa haa. You are funny. You are a Suicide Vampire Squid that buys sells and trades 666 and aborts labor. No need to ask who you work for at this point. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwajC55T8vE

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 09:06 | 3046658 Colonial Intent
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BD, I'm pretty thick skinned, but please do not confuse me with the 1% er's on ZH who think money still has value.

The only currency i value is trust.

The quote was a reference to the fact that people could change the world if they realised they have the power rather than fearing their govt who they believe has the power.

My extra line was to show that sometimes you cannot reform the system you just have to allow it to die.

Sorry if it was too obtuse for you, you obviously aint as smart as your posts suggest.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:05 | 3036101 blunderdog
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She was probably great in the sack, tho...no such satisfaction can be derived around these parts.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:55 | 3036060 earleflorida
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capitalism = fortified statism = anti-capitalism  [1930's -?]

socialism = a marxist on the fence = latent neurosis in communism [buyers remorse without a contract?]

republic = freedom to choose your poison... 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:21 | 3037167 MeelionDollerBogus
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A republic is the loss of all rights & freedoms by government decree.

Freedom to CHOOSE is Democracy

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:57 | 3036069 Eddy Vluggen
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Socialism isn't the same as communism. Plato six types of government, not simply two.

Are Americans binary, that everything has to be reduced to a choice between two items?

 

Seriously, Plato would cry.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:00 | 3036083 Colonial Intent
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Machiavelli would cry tears of joy.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:45 | 3036269 blunderdog
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One of our more recent Great Leaders made very clear that if you're not for us, you're against us.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 13:13 | 3036135 Radical Marijuana
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This surprising statistic confirms that even those who attempt to become educated still continue to be too shallow.

IF the most looked up word was PLUTOCRACY, then there might have been some progress in deeper understanding, while those two words being looked up most reveals yet another false fundamental dichotomy, which indicates a too superficial understanding of the problems.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:58 | 3036840 holdingontomypants
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RM-you are absolutely correct we are in a plutocracy. Also well on our way to socialism, dictatorshipism, Fascisism, depressionism, and all the other ISM you can throw in the mix. It is enough to give you a serious headache. These last 30 years has been so messed up I forgot what we started out as. It is apparent on our current track what we are going to end up as.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:53 | 3037049 smacker
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And to the millions of people out there who have been brainwashed by Lefty educationalists and MSM into believing that fascism is "far right" -- as in the BBC, who always preface any use of the term fascist with "far right" -- do they honestly believe that Mussolini and Hitler fitted Webster's accurate definition of capitalism? No way, in both cases they controlled and directed industry. The commies go one step further and confiscate private property. Fascism is most certainly a totalitarian ideology of the far left.

The important question today is where American politics now fits...hhmmm.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:20 | 3037161 MeelionDollerBogus
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Hitler & Mussolini were far right, not far left - not that today uses left or right, just words. It's all fraud

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:54 | 3037316 smacker
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Wrong. You'll be telling me next that Musso and Hitler were believers in free market capitalism and liberty. lol. Like I said, there are millions who've been brainwashed into this misguided belief by the Lefty Establishment. Then of course there's the other millions of Lefties who claim it, to distance themselves from fascism which has a bad name.

And read the Mises long analysis of fascism from a few years back, in which it conclusively demonstrates that fascism is socialism.

--shrug--

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 23:33 | 3044873 MeelionDollerBogus
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Wrong. There is no lefty establishment. Nor right. There's puppets & puppeteers. The shit-show is just which puppet is put on which hand.

You'd be a fool to think that changes the purpose of having a puppet show.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 06:32 | 3046601 smacker
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You're wriggling and conflating issues. In the UK where I am, there is zero doubt among genuine political analysts that our Establishment (ie the Civil Service including educational establishment et al) is Lefty; what my American cousins call liberal. And I have lttle doubt that something very similar exists in the US. Give these apparatchiks a uniform to imply official authority and a departmental name tag, and they're off. Years ago in Britain they used to be called 'little Hitlers'. These people would be failures if they worked in the private wealth-producing sector.

If you think that Mussolini and Hitler believed in free market capitalism (distinct from crony capitalism), liberty, individualism, small government, Rule of Law etc, please produce credible evidence of it. Good luck with that. Because Mises and many others have spent decades deconstructing the actions of these fascists and concluded they were revolutionary, totalitarian socialists. Without evidence to the contrary, you have to accept that. And totalitarianism sits very clearly on the far Left of the political spectrum. Their MO is to introduce the police state, countless anti-liberty laws, endless rules/regs to control anything that moves, and of course crony capitalism.

HAND :-)

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 04:13 | 3048082 MeelionDollerBogus
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Hitler & Mussolini believed in the farthest right-wing central control of big-brother with mandatory executions, back when left & right-wing actually had meaning. The far-right police-state with mandatory executions is a right-wing 1940's phenomenon. Nothing left-wing about it. Not one socialist either: Hitler was staunchly anti-socialist & so was Mussolini.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 14:35 | 3049145 smacker
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I disagree with everything you've writen, but then I usually do disagree with socialists. It's the same old pap brainwashed into people by the Lefty Establishments and Lefties. {shrug}.

Fear not! Here's several documents for you to learn some actual truths about Mussolini, Hitler and their beloved socialism:

http://files.aracari.warpmail.net/Misc/Mises-why-nazism-was-socialism-an...

http://files.aracari.warpmail.net/Misc/Hitler-and-socialism-original-v20...

http://files.aracari.warpmail.net/Misc/Fascism-is-Socialism.pdf

**All above available during UK office hours**

Here's another website piece:  http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_nazis_were_maxists.html

Enjoy :-)

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 14:58 | 3052609 MeelionDollerBogus
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I'm not a socialist.

I'm firmly capitalist but understand where socialism has benefits it should not be misunderstood. Socialism with no government or central control is useful. It lacks innovation but provides stability. Capitalism provides innovation & depends on personal rights so naturally I support it first. Hitler killed the socialists early - that's one "love" I think doesn't fit the normal definition.

Mussolini's Fascism is the merger of corporation & state, entirely non-socialist.

What Is Fascism?

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:18 | 3055061 smacker
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You say: "I'm not a socialist".

If I had a dollar for every time I've heard Lefties claim that, I'd be a very rich man! What is it about Lefties that they're sooo proud to be Lefties that they deny being so?... ... Is it because socialism is the biggest political fraud foisted onto ordinary people and always results in the destruction of everything it touches? hhmmm.

No, Hitler didn't kill the socialists per se; he killed the communists who were a power-threat to him and his Nazi Party. Although of course communism is just a logical extension of socialism. The Reichstag fire was blamed on the commies by the Nazi Party, although many historians believe it was actually started by the Nazis themselves to justify Hitler's clampdown and elimination of his adversaries.

A feature of all socialist totalitarian despots is that they fight among themselves for supremacy, not because they have different ideologies (see Hitler vs Stalin); you can't get a fag-paper between the two in terms of their policies, tactics and aspirations for totalitarianism.

Edward Griffin produced an excellent video on this subject...it's available on YouTube and it's worth watching.

Apart from that, I note you didn't d/l and read those documents I posted links to earlier. I assume that's because you have a very long held fixed idea of what socialism/fascism is and are not prepared to read material from some of the world's leading analysts which will open your mind. I can't change that.

These Left/Right debates usually come down to how each person chooses to define the terms. I see it on a "%age of government" scale, where 0% sits on the Far Right (ie anarchy) and 100% on the Far Left (ie totalitarian). And the entirely false belief that capitalism only fits on the Right, even though as we see all over the world for years and since at least from 2007, socialist governments are very happy to create crony state capitalism. eg: see Banana Bernanke and the Bank of England & ECB. What none of them like is free market capitalism.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 04:13 | 3048085 MeelionDollerBogus
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And before you even dream of translating "Nazi" to "National Zocialist" just remember the Democratic Republic of Congo & the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK = North Korea). The name is the propaganda used because without it no one would even dream of calling it that thing. Hitler executed the socialists early to have his eugenics-dream. Mussolini was purely Fascist which also requires that all the socialists be jailed or executed.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:19 | 3037154 MeelionDollerBogus
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What Is Fascism? | by John T. Flynn - YouTube

maybe this would be more appropriate as it is the current system in most world governments

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