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Guest Post: The Obesity Puzzle

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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

Obesity and well-being are not just a matter of carbs/no-carbs; the causal chain is not that simple.

There are almost as many theories about why obesity has exploded in America and the world since the 1980s as there are researchers compiling data.
The rise in Body Mass Index (BMI) appears to correlate with the rise of high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), a simple carbohydrate.
Let's begin by comparing two charts from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) which depict obesity levels on a state by state basis: the first in 1985 and the second, a generation later in 2008.
Clearly, obesity has exploded into a pandemic in just a single generation.
Interestingly, all the usual explanations--the rise of fast foods, women joining the workforce and thus the decline of the home-cooked meal and the decline of physical labor jobs--fail to explain the dramatic increase for the reason that all these conditions were already present in 1985.
Women had already joined the workforce en masse, fast-food outlets were already on every corner and jobs requiring hard physical labor had already dwindled to a small percentage of our post-industrial, service-dominated economy.
So what is different between 1985 and the present? At least one factor is the increased consumption of sugary beverages--soda, specialty coffees, iced teas, fake "juices" (colored sugar water with 10% actual fruit juice)--and the addition of HFCS to everything from snacks to breakfast bars to canned soups.
As a consequence, consumption of fructose (both "natural" and high-fructose corn sweetener, HFCS) has skyrocketed.
Reader R.W. recently submitted this account of his own family's experience, and what they discovered by consulting with one of the nation's leading experts in Pediatric Endocrinology.

I’ve attached a YouTube film of a lecture by Dr. Robert Lustig, head of Pediatric Endocrinology at UCSF Medical School. This is an explanation of the biological--and political--mechanism that causes obesity and Type 2 diabetes, and why they’ve become an epidemic.We were fortunate to find Dr. Lustig when my younger son, Pat was an adolescent. Pat was a very heavy boy who gained weight despite being vigorously active (for example, he played water polo year round) and really not eating that much. I finally persuaded Pat’s pediatrician that there was something wrong with the boy’s metabolism. Pat’s blood test showed he had cholesterol and triglyceride counts that would be extreme for an obese 60-year-old--into the high 300’s. 

There were no pediatric endocrinologists in our area at that time, so we were sent to UCSF. Dr. Lustig enrolled Pat in a study which I think is still ongoing. The upshot: cut out all fructose, and obesity and all its symptoms subside.
Pat, now 20, weighs 25 pounds LESS than he did in the 8th grade, although he is six inches taller. People literally do not recognize him. It is a very gratifying and amazing transformation. It was simple, but not easy. Pat worked very hard, and for a while was assisted with metformin. (He is now off the drug, and shows no ill effects or relapsed weight gain or high cholesterol or triglycerides.) But mostly it was about shunning all fructose, especially in drinks. 

Fructose is addictive for the same reasons, by the same mechanisms, and producing many of the same pathologies as alcohol, as Dr. Lustig explains in the lecture. One of his catch phrases is: “Fructose is alcohol without the buzz.”
It’s 90 minutes. Stick with it. It’s a little dense in spots, but overall, it is a compelling story. Dr. Lustig puts it all in context. I know he and Michael Pollan are aware of each other, though when I asked him he said they haven’t had any formal collaboration. But their views of our food delivery system are totally aligned.
I’m hoping that once you see this, you will feel that it deserves a wider audience.

Sugar: the Bitter Truth (University of California TV)
Here is the puzzle: Everyone agrees that "empty calories" contribute to obesity, and many see simple carbohydrates as the key cause of obesity.
On the other hand, I personally know many slim, healthy Asians whose diet is based on white rice and processed-flour noodles--the very sort of simple carbs that are supposed to make us all fat. Yes, they also eat small portions of fish and meat and significant quantities of vegetables, but you can't get away from the fact that much of their caloric intake comes from processed carbohydrates.
The famous Mediterranean Diet is based on pasta as well as olive oil, fish, vegetables and wine: The Island Where People Forget to Die:

She found that her subjects consumed about six times as many beans a day as Americans, ate fish twice a week and meat five times a month, drank on average two to three cups of coffee a day and took in about a quarter as much refined sugar — the elderly did not like soda. She also discovered they were consuming high levels of olive oil along with two to four glasses of wine a day. 

Social structure might turn out to be more important. In Sardinia, a cultural attitude that celebrated the elderly kept them engaged in the community and in extended-family homes until they were in their 100s. Studies have linked early retirement among some workers in industrialized economies to reduced life expectancy. 

In Okinawa, there’s none of this artificial punctuation of life. Instead, the notion of ikigai — “the reason for which you wake up in the morning” — suffuses people’s entire adult lives. It gets centenarians out of bed and out of the easy chair to teach karate, or to guide the village spiritually, or to pass down traditions to children. The Nicoyans in Costa Rica use the term plan de vida to describe a lifelong sense of purpose. As Dr. Robert Butler, the first director of the National Institute on Aging, once told me, being able to define your life meaning adds to your life expectancy.

If carbs were the sole cause of obesity, then the Asians I personally know who probably get up to 60% of their calories from white rice or white-flour noodles should be grossly obese--instead, they're thin. (They only get fat if they live in the U.S. and start eating an American-style diet.) How do we explain this paradox?
I recently corresponded with David B. Collum, Professor of Chemistry at Cornell University, who noted two potentially important factors:

I was in Germany a month ago and noticed (1) the grocery stores no longer look like markets but rather supermarkets with all the brightly colored packages of processed food, and (2) the Germans are getting fat. 

I am wholly convinced now that hidden carbs--not the potatoes and rice but the carbs in the processed foods--are what is putting on the pounds. After months of pondering why I was struggling to control weight despite some effort and listening to an econtalk podcast on the evils with carbs (and containing a nice dose of real biochemical flavor to the discussion), I dropped the carbs and dropped 30 lbs within 6 months. 

In this Econtalk podcast (time: 1:20) Taubes on Why We Get Fat, author Gary Taubes presented some interesting rat studies along with the following model: (1) carbs trigger insulin, (2) insulin triggers fat deposition, (3) insulin with carb depletion triggers carb craving (after dinner foraging). I think the complex vs simple carb issue finally makes sense to me also. Simple carbs spike the insulin but the complex carbs are released more slowly and thus spike the insulin less. We eat carbs AND fat with the carbs sending the fat to the muffin top. The Asian diet may be carb-rich/fat poor.

I think there is plenty of evidence to support these two points:
1. That there are significant amounts of simple carbs (HFCS etc.) "hidden" in the processed foods Americans consume in quantity, and
2. It is the ratio and type of fats and carbs that generates weight gain, not carbs alone--that is, a carb-rich, low-fat diet based on legumes and vegetables typical of traditional Asian diets does not lead to obesity, even though the carbs consumed are simple/processed white rice and white-flour noodles.
I would add a third factor, which is the paucity of vegetables, fruits and legumes in the American diet. Just avoiding carbs does not make one healthy.
It's not just avoiding carbs that counts, it's avoiding all processed foods and sugar-laden beverages.
Lastly, let's not forget exercise, which dramatically alters our metabolism, blood sugar and psyche. Cutting our processed foods and simple carbs (empty calories) is only the first step--the second equally important step is getting fit via daily or almost-daily exercise of the sort that builds muscle mass and endurance. People who live long healthy lives are always on the move, and are doing so with purpose.
Gary Taubes' books:
This book presents evidence that vegetables and complex carbs are essential, meat less so:
These articles were written by a physicist who decided to investigate/experiment via his own weight loss program:

My new book Why Things Are Falling Apart and What We Can Do About It is now available in print and Kindle editions--10% to 20% discounts.


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Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:28 | 3036436 edifice
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Two words: Corn, Soy.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:31 | 3036446 zuuma
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I was just eating my last twinkie with lunch as I read this.

The flavor was exquisite.

And now to wash it down with some corn-syrupy Dew of the Mountain.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:37 | 3036463 MillionDollarBonus_
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Michelle Obama is committed to the war on obesity. The goal is to eliminate global obesity by 2014, with a series of educational programs in schools, regulations restricting the sale and purchase of unhealthy food, and inspiring media appearances by the first lady herself. I'm optimistic about the future of health in America - with the guidance of responsible, healthy eaters in congress and the media, Americans will inevitably derive the courage to create a healthier, hipper, more progressive society.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:38 | 3036482 magpie
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Does this mean the American applepie is politically incorrect ?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:50 | 3036546 Almost Solvent
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Gluten Bitchez

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:16 | 3036652 Buckaroo Banzai
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MSG is a huge factor in obesity as well. The fact that MSG makes you fat is WELL KNOWN to biologists. In fact, if you need to make lab mice fat quickly and reliably, you feed them MSG. It's the standard protocol. MSG is in virtually every processed food that you eat, check the label. Don't see MSG listed? Well, guess what... MSG has a bunch of aliases that food marketers use to disguise its presence: hydrolyzed vegetable protein, yeast extract, autolyzed yeast, autolyzed vegetable protein, calcium caseinate, sodium caseinate, glutamic acid and many others.


Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:34 | 3036984 TheCanadianAustrian
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I see nothing in this article that refutes the simple "obesity is caused by carbs" theory in any way.

The main counter-argument seems to be this:

"On the other hand, I personally know many slim, healthy Asians whose diet is based on white rice and processed-flour noodles--the very sort of simple carbs that are supposed to make us all fat."


Nobody said that a high-carb diet guarantees weight gain. Just as some people are naturally immune to certain diseases, some people are spared from the fattening effects of carbs. This is simple biological diversity, a normal part of human evolution.

The whole point is that people of European descent simply have not have enough time to evolve and adapt to our newfound high-carb diets. Asians have been eating rice for millenniums. Europeans have relied on hunting and animal farming to a much greater degree.


So pointing out the existence of skinny carb-eaters is completely missing the point. We have an obesity epidemic. People who aren't part of that epidemic are irrelevant. Just to pull numbers out of the air, it's possible that 60% of the North American population is susceptible to obesity through carbs, and that the number is 20% for Asians. Given our dietary history, this might make sense. In this sense, carb-eating does not guarantee weight gain. However, it does explain the obesity epidemic.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:17 | 3037150 TheCanadianAustrian
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Further, it's important to understand not just that obesity is caused by carbs, but why obesity is caused by carbs.

I think the easiest way to explain it is this: Your body is evolved to do things that increase the chance of survival. The body gains weight if it perceives an increased chance of survival in doing so. However, the body can't just "know" what's best the way the rational mind does. It relies on signals. The first signal is when you start to eat food that the body doesn't prefer, since this can indicate a food shortage. This might mean less animal fat and more bread for Europeans. It might mean less rice and more fruit and berries for Asians. Another signal can be simple stress. Financial concerns would elicit the same emotions as a primal fear of running out of food, and this can cause weight gain. Regardless of what the signal is, most humans will begin to produce the hormone that causes fat to be stored.

Long story short, if you don't want to be fat, you need to figure out the false signals that makes your body want to be fat, and then you need to reverse those signals.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:45 | 3037283 TBT or not TBT
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That signal would be insulin production, in almost all humans(there are some with diseases and severe abnormalities of course), and certainly across all cultures/races.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 18:20 | 3037379 TheCanadianAustrian
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Not quite. IMO insulin is the 2nd stage in the causal link, the body's way of sending the weight-gain signal, not receiving. Carbohydrates and stress are two common ways that the body receives the weight-gain signal, the 1st stage. But yes, I think you're right that the insulin component is universal across all races, just not necessarily the carb component.

It's an important distinction, because I think it makes sense of why Asians don't seem to get fat from eating carbs while Europeans do.

In a few hundred years, our obesity epidemic will likely be gone regardless of carbs and sugars, but in the meantime, I think you're better off sticking with fats.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 18:37 | 3037441 TBT or not TBT
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Another way to spike insulin production is eating whey protein, even the concentrated stuff without any added sweeteners.   Of course the classic way is taking in carbs, but there are lots of surprises here:    Sweet TASTES also trigger insulin production.   Drink a diet coke one empty stomach with nothing else at all, and you'll both store fat and have a blood sugar crash, without any carbohydrate intake at all.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 18:42 | 3037455 TBT or not TBT
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Which is to bring the focus back to insulin, of course, because that is what lays down fat, just about uniquely.    Carb intake stimulates insulin production, but that's not the only thing that will do it.   Insulin also upregulates the production of the toxic fatty acid that is the unique precursor of the immune system's strongest inflammatory compounds, in every cell, not just some kinds of cells.    Look up "delta-5-desaturase" in connection with "arichidonic acid" and "insulin".    

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 23:36 | 3038150 zerozam
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Fuck carbs - it's all AAPL's fault. In 1984 ppl didn't sit in front of computers growing their asses...

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 02:48 | 3038437 TBT or not TBT
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Sure they did, as far back as the commodore 64, the TRS-80, and those command line adventure games.   Before that people played freakin CARDS for centuries, to the degree they could afford the candlelight.    People don't need as much sleep as there is darkness at night.    They found all sorts of sitting around things to do.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 23:50 | 3038187 mjcOH1
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1985- walked several miles to school
2012 - door to door school bus pickup, excluding 50' waddle to the curb

1985 - running on grass
2012 - thumbing the obama-phone

1985 - 23 million on foodstamps
2012 - 46 million on foodstamps

Purely coincidental .......

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 02:45 | 3038432 TBT or not TBT
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Increased consumption of carbs and cheap vegetable oils = inflammation and fat deposition, regardless of excercise.  

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 10:32 | 3039047 TheCanadianAustrian
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You have the causal link backwards. It's because our parents are lazy and our kids are fatasses that we want the government shuttle them everywhere.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 20:00 | 3037652 TBT or not TBT
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To which I'll add, that the primary stress reaction is release of adrenaline, which signals fat cells to RELEASE, not store fat.    "Cortisol" is often brought into the picture as a fat storing stress hormone, to which, well OK, only insomuch as it modulates the LOCATION of fat storage preference amongt the body's very wide distribution of fat cells.   Remarkably, more cortisol is associated with a greater tendancy to store preferentially, and not release as easily fat around the viscera.   Storage tendency in a particular location as opposed to all and any fat storage.   Fat around the viscera is ASSOCIATED with lots of disease processes, with some theories and research to be found about how fat in the viscera are more active at producing endocrine hormones that cause bad stuff to happen elsewhere in the body.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 18:54 | 3037471 TBT or not TBT
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CanadianAustrian your are approximate there on the genetic selection forces.    The genes evolve in reaction to selection pressures, including in humans social and cultural factors, that favored NOT "survival"(*) of any individual body, but rather success of the genes passing to successive generations.   Mere "survival"  of a body through some hard times is insufficient to transmit genes to future bodies.   The body must mate well and bring offspring along to also mate well, and beyond some point "survival" of the aging, damaged indvidual body is not just superfluous but probably problematic for the next generation ultimately, because the older bodies use resources, compete with genes they've already passed on(if they've succeeded in the Darwin sense) with radiation and oxidation and replication error infested DNA that really needs to just clear on out...

(no bodies survive in fact.   There is a systematic 100% mortality rate, which seems to be as much programmed by selection(!) as caused by wear and tear.)

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 22:59 | 3038064 Lost My Shorts
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I propose an experiment.  We will lock you in a cage, and I will feed you a no-fat vegan diet.  Quantities decided by me.  Do you think you will gain weight because of the carbs?  I doubt it.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 10:27 | 3039037 TheCanadianAustrian
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I doubt it too. However, starvation and malnutrition is not part of a good weight loss plan.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 22:59 | 3038066 Lord Koos
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Bullshit. The Chinese consume a lot of MSG and they are not nearly as fat as Americans.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:17 | 3036658 r101958
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Another case of 'unintended consequences' - Hate to say it but one of the main causes is the other great government health crusade of the 90's. The campaign against smoking. Smoking is not good for you either...but I wonder which is really worse...smoking or obesity?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:34 | 3037230 Socratic Dog
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Unintended consequences?  Try government subsidies for corn.  Or taxes on sugar imports.  Outcome, inevitably: hifh-fructose corn syrup in everything. has been pushing the same line on fructose for a long time.  This isn't news... or it shouldn't be.  He also talks about Big Sugar, and draws parallels with Big Tobacco.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 23:49 | 3038181 BooMushroom
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No shit. I'll believe Mooshell is genuine on health when she starts advocating for the end of food subsidies on wheat, corn, hamburger and soy, and starts pushing for them on the consumer end for fresh produce, organic or 100% natural fresh meat, dairy and tree crops.

Fresh green salad with fresh honey-glazed chicken pan-fried in olive oil, and fresh peaches on a bed of cottage cheese.

Or a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese.

They say they want us to eat the first, but they are paying for the second.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 05:54 | 3038575 StandardDeviant
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Smoking.  Obesity affects only yourself.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:21 | 3037170 TuPhat
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The real cause of obesity is actually a gland problem.  The mouth gland takes in more than the ass gland puts out.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:43 | 3036508 redpill
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Nice one MDB


Even within the realm of carbs, not all are equal.  Natural complex carbs get handled differently by the body than HFCS or other forms of refined sugar.  The simpler the sugar, the faster it gets to your bloodstream and causes your blood sugar to spike, which then triggers immediate fat storage.  The notion that eating fat makes you fat is a fallacy, it takes much longer for your body to process and has almost no impact on your blood sugar at all.  At that point it's just a matter of caloric intake.

The only thing your body metabolizes faster than pure sugar is alcohol, so the next time you wonder why your GF's ass is so big, look no farther than the 3 cloyingly sweet cocktails she had at the bar last night.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:02 | 3036589 MillionDollarBogus_
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Well, she does have a lot of junk in her trunk.

Don't tell her I said that...

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:08 | 3036614 James-Morrison
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Easy to fix:  disable "Sugar" on the EBT 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:18 | 3036664 redpill
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Mayor Bloomberg, is that you?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:14 | 3036910 Rusty.Shackleford
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I love a big ass

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 23:51 | 3038188 zelator
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Like um... KimK?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:17 | 3036923 Ballin D
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He said EBT, not everyone

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:41 | 3036779 Abiotic Oil
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You know there are women who have a nice big, round, shapely, healthy ass made of firm glutes from doing heavy SQUATZ under the bar with a wheel or two on it and keep their body fat at around 24% or below.  That's hot.


Then, like you said, there are just plain fat asses with a lot of junk in their trunk.


Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:44 | 3037019 Grinder74
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I'll be taking lunch in the bathroom stall...

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 09:39 | 3038882 Col_Sanders
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Nice form in the second photo...

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:17 | 3036611 El Viejo
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"Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.", Ogden Nash

Few people grow  up. Most just become more "sophisticated" in their desires. If our mothers were here they would be spanking us for writing on the walls.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:31 | 3036725 _ConanTheLibert...
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I used to have an annoying lunch dip every single day. I could hardly stay awake.

I just recently started eating part of my lunch already at 10am and the remaining 2 hours later. Lunch dip is 90% gone.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:41 | 3036777 El Viejo
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That phenom is mentioned in one of Dr. Barry Sears books on Balanced Diets. He says that if you dose off at 3:00 pm you had too many carbs at lunch.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:56 | 3036835 Commander Cody
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What if you dose off at 1230?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:04 | 3036861 El Viejo
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Ha! +1 Eat later.

His book is "The Zone Diet"

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:20 | 3036938 dearth vader
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Skip breakfast and rise at 1230.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:44 | 3037017 knukles
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Wake and Bake
Doobie doobie do.....

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:52 | 3036819 Abiotic Oil
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I've been on the Warrior Diet for a long time (Ori Hofmekler).  I eat very little if anything until dinner.  Nothing that will release insulin.  No crashes and even more alertness and energy than I ever had before.  Then massive evening feast followed by food coma.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:03 | 3036862 KidHorn
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I kind of do the same thing. I eat a banana and cup of tea for breakfast at 6:30, eat lunch at 10:30 and then eat a big dinner at around 5:00.

Whoever said breakfast is the most important meal is full of it. Dinner is by far the most important. Try getting a good nights sleep on an empty stomach.

Cavemen didn't eat breakfast. There's no way they left food sitting around overnight. It would attract animals and the mice would eat it.

I'm 5'11' and about 160 lbs. Most people think I'm too skinny.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:50 | 3037297 TBT or not TBT
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False, false, false.   BREAD HAS A HIGHER GLYCEMIC INDEX THAN TABLE SUGAR.    Go look at a table that has the two on it.    The reason is that the "complex" carbohydrate in bread is a glucose polymer that splits up into individual glucose molecules in the small intestine very rapidly, and absorbs rapidly.   Also table sugar is only 50% glucose.   The other 50%, metabolically speaking, is fructose, which doesn't count in the "glycemic index" measurements because it is doesn't raise "blood sugar".....     Still, wheat carbohydrates are "complex" and "natural" and DEADLY serious blood glucose hammers.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 18:27 | 3037422 TheCanadianAustrian
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Agreed. More than anything, people should look at glycemic index and glycemic load tables to find out what not to eat. I really think that people are barking up the wrong tree when in comes to HFCS. Not that it's good for you, I just think that sugar and white bread are worse.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 20:17 | 3037693 TBT or not TBT
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Hmm.    I'm saying HFCS and "sugar" are about the same, with HFCS being just a little worse than "sugar"(which is say cane or beet sugar, the familiar granulated crystal stuff).

All bread made from wheat, not just white bread, is a glycemic index and glycemic load terror...

but, those two measures of unhealthiness of foods come purely from an obesity/diabetes/diabesity view of health, ignoring the crystal clear hard science knowledge of what fructose does, starting with its first step in the body, processing in the liver.    Few cells can do anything with fructose directly.   The liver's handling of fructose involves producing lots of LDL cholesterol, the "bad" cholesterol, so there is apparently very good reason to maligh fructose from a circulatory system health standpoint(but you won't hear that from the ADA or sugar industry).   

Back to bread(any kind based on wheat, whole grain or white)   Yeah, sugar and HFCS are less bad on a glucose only scale, but they are both infinitely worse than bread on the fructose scale of things, because bread classically contains no fructose or just meaningless amounts.

But, but, but!   Neither HFCS nor "sugar" contain GLUTENS, and modern wheat glutens are very problematic for their interactions with our immune systems, and also for their addictive side effects.    Pepsin + acid environment + glutens yields peptides that cross the blood-brain barrier and stimulate the same brain receptors that lots of narcotics hit.   People are behaviorally and chemically addicted to wheat products.   Wheat is very very cheap as a food ingredient(thank you Norman Borlaug and the "Green Revolution" post war), stores very well(shelf life!), and can be eaten in huge quantities because satiation from it doesn't last long(the blood sugar emergency it causes brings on a spike and crash in blood sugar) and last but not least is addictive.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 13:46 | 3039687 Socratic Dog
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I seem to recall that fructose is metabolized to methanol, which crosses the blood-brain barrier, where it is metabolized to formalin, which does you not a lot of good at all.  Fructose ain't too good for you.

Antidote to methanol poisoning?  Ethanol. Which may be why drinkers live longer than non-drinkers.  They don’t get their brains poisoned by their morning OJ.  Might also be one of the benefits of the Mediterranean diet.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:07 | 3047054 MeelionDollerBogus
Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:49 | 3036538 edifice
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Michelle Obama is committed to the war on obesity. The goal is to eliminate global obesity by 2014, with a series of re-education programs in FEMA camps, regulations restricting the sale and purchase of unhealthy food, general food rationing, forced-work programs, and inspiring media appearances by the first lady herself. I'm optimistic about the future of health in America - with the guidance of responsible, healthy eaters in congress and the media, Americans will inevitably derive the courage to create a healthier, hipper, more progressive society.

There, fixed your post for you.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 00:02 | 3038210 BooMushroom
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And may the odds be ever in your favor!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:54 | 3036559 robobbob
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so does that trolling money come from a stimulus grant, or is that out of the spying and surveillance budget?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:01 | 3036583 Jonas Parker
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"Michelle Obama is committed to the war on obesity. The goal is to eliminate global obesity by 2014..."


Mass starvation was always popular with Communists...

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:12 | 3036633 Pairadimes
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You're right. After all, how many fat North Koreans have you seen lately?

Well, maybe one.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:15 | 3036650 Stoploss
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They are right where we want them..


That way you don't have to walk so far for dinner..

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:17 | 3036654 azzhatter
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How about Facebook MDBoner? Is that helping?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:55 | 3036812 TheObsoleteMan
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You phukking bootlicker. The only thing politicians {and make no mistake, she is a politician} care about is CONTROL. They could give a shit about about your health, BMI or anything else. All they want is your $ and control of your life. Sure, they dress it up as wanting to eradicate this, or "raise awareness" of that, but these are just cover for their true agendas. Whenever you hear about a "compassionate & caring" politician, watch out! A power and/or money grab is soon underway.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:58 | 3036842 knukles
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If the Goobermint is involved it's the problem, not the solution.  Just ask any city, state, county or federal retiree.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:15 | 3036912 Aegelis
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War on obesity?  Is this the government's new target?  Overweight people = terrorists.  We need cameras in every home!  Heaven forbid we go after something evil like debt.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:26 | 3036961 Anonymous peon
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And with a little help from her husband making sure that by the end of 2013 no one can afford to eat, her 2014 goal shouldn't be a problem.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:41 | 3037006 RafterManFMJ
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Trapwire says, "CITIZEN! Put down that Twinkie!!"  

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 20:44 | 3037744 masterinchancery
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This is sarcasm, right?

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 08:09 | 3038694 jekyll island
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It's quite simple really. People who are obese eat too much food.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 13:51 | 3047028 MeelionDollerBogus
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a large factor may be hormones put into cows producing not only the meat but the milk consumed - whereas in Europe & Canada we have laws banning this so we don't see the same situation.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:44 | 3036490 GAAPpreNixon
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And Madison Avenue, armed with a plethora of ethics free psychologists and food corporations with a plethora of ethics free scientists perfecting flavonoids are WEAPONS OF MASS HEALTH DESTRUCTION!

And don't forget that the "conditions" AFTER 1985 WERE DIFFERENT because corn syrup became a  GMO product!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:11 | 3036636 Perpetual Burn
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Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:41 | 3037009 RafterManFMJ
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I like my moderation, but only in moderate amounts.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:19 | 3037157 mick_richfield
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“Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.”

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:08 | 3037085 TBT or not TBT
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Another word, vegetable oil.    Take a look at Dr Sears' technical sections and referenced research behind The Zone Diet.     The issue developed there is "hidden inflammation" caused by insulin spikes coupled with overconsumption of foods heavy in the omega-6 polyunsaturated fats that are precursors to a toxic fatty acid called AA that is then precursor to all of the worst inflammatory compounds our bodies produce.

Now, put that into your high carb asian diet paradox:    Sure, rice is a glucose bomb, but do they consume a lot of modern vegetable oils with that?

Re your "simple carbs" story, do keep in mind some of the biggest glucose polymers are by definition "complex", and yet they break down VERY quickly into glucose in the small intestine.    A great example is the amylopectin A that is the primary calorie source in WHEAT.    Because of this complex carb, bread has a higher glycemic index than table sugar.   Whether "whole grain" or wonder bread, makes no difference.

RE fructose, keep in mind that table sugar "sucrrose" is 1/2 fructose, 1/2 glucose.    HFCS is barely different being 55% fructose 45% glucose.    The rate that the component fructose and glucose absorb in the small intestine is something to look at, but my understanding is there is just about no difference in a standard issue human small intestine.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 18:28 | 3037423 lasvegaspersona
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as a scientist (physician, MD) I'll say Dr. Lustig (in the sugar video linked above) talks like a sounds legit).

Watch it.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 06:01 | 3038578 Breaker
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Three words: calories, couch potatos.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 08:05 | 3038686 NorthPole
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The simple truth that all the fat asses make a conscious effort to avoid is this: you wanna get slim? Reduce your calory intake and up your expenditure, i.e. eat less and get off your ass!

Appropriate diet, avoiding carbs, fructose, processed foods, soda - definately, but this is the last 10% of the matter, the cherry on top. The meat of the problem, the 90% of what really makes the difference, is less calory intake and more expenditure.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:29 | 3036438 blunderdog
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Nice to see Chuck finally just admit it's a complex issue.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:09 | 3036620 redpill
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With Chuck, EVERYTHING is a complex issue.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:17 | 3036657 blunderdog
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Being able to perceive complexity is a strong indicator of intelligence.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:28 | 3037205 I am more equal...
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People who dwell on intelligence generally have none and confuse it with smugness.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 18:06 | 3037351 blunderdog
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That sounds like it's just some kind of personal attack. 

Are your widdle feelings hurt by something we were discussing?  Aww, don't be so sensitive..that's're a good boy too!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 20:23 | 3037707 I am more equal...
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No, I write stuff for the entertainment value and find humor in just about everything.  People who mock belief are shallow and hyper-senssitive and probably NASCAR fans.  I would guess you live in alabama (or somewhere in the south) and are over-weight.  Just a guess. 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 21:19 | 3037809 blunderdog
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Nice try, though.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:30 | 3037210 mick_richfield
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You lost me there...

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:30 | 3036441 I am more equal...
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The 1985 BMI map looks like the Democrat Blue states.  Correlation?  Fat and stupid. Yes. 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:36 | 3036470 blunderdog
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On the other hand, looks like no one in the Republican Red states could figure out how to submit any data.  Religious and stupid?  Yes.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 18:16 | 3037391 Sanksion
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you two guys made my night

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:30 | 3036443 swissaustrian
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Is the single blue state in the 2008 map Colorado? Why is it such an outlier?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:32 | 3036451 edifice
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Yes, it is Colorado. I'd guess the primary reasons are, the City of Boulder (trust-fund hippies), and the fact that we are one of the most physically-active states in the country.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:36 | 3036472 BlueCollaredOne
Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:04 | 3036598 Raymond K Hessel
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Northcom is located there so with so many soldiers there I'd say the low BMI put them in the blue.  CIA is relocating there.  

It's all urine.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:44 | 3036509 a growing concern
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Was recently in your neck of the woods. Fantastic place. And I've never seen more runners and cyclists in my life.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:09 | 3036624 squidward
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It is probably the altitude.  You guys live in a hypoxic chamber, that's why Olympic athletes train there.


It is not being healthier per se, more geography.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:59 | 3036844 TheObsoleteMan
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Any rocky mountain state will be lower than the "flats" in BMI due to the fact that you burn more calories just by living there. Hell, all you have to do is breath, the air is thinner at higher altitude. Everything you do burns more calories at higher altitudes.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:35 | 3036986 I am more equal...
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I would have guessed too many stoners and not enough twinkies.  It gets you hippies on bikes looking for hotesses products at the 7-11 up the mountain side.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:32 | 3036455 rtalcott
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WATCH the Lustig video!  


I lost 60+ pounds 10 years ago by giving up carbs (well...OK...cutting way back)....the weight is still off...

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:05 | 3036602 Raymond K Hessel
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I watched the Lustig video and lost 60 pounds!  Order your Lustig video today while supplies last!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:18 | 3036927 Poetic injustice
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I read about people watching Lustig video and lost 60 pounds! Read about Lustig video today while post lasts!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:45 | 3037021 RafterManFMJ
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I rubbed a video of the Lustig book on my belly and lost 60 pounds! Order now and get free hypoallergenic video cover!

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 02:43 | 3038431 Just Ice
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I caught a whiff of the Lustig video and...               uh, let's not go there

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:33 | 3036458 Antifaschistische
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There's only one reason....sugar, and flour are cheap.   So as we all lose our buying power with the destruction of the dollar, the poor (in particular) have been pushed to the foods with flour and sugar.   That's the bottom line....still comes back to the Fed.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:11 | 3037118 TBT or not TBT
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and cheap modern vegetable oils

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:34 | 3036462's picture

We can't even get junk food right anymore....Breyer's is no longer selling Ice Cream...its now called "Frozen Dairy Desert"

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:21 | 3036671 Al Huxley
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Probably because it doesn't have any cream in it anymore.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:34 | 3036740 El Viejo
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That may be correct. The govt requires that anything labelled as ice cream contain a minimum of 10% dairy fat. That is why you used to see products labelled as ice milk. It had less fat.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:38 | 3036998 aheady
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"ice cream product"

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:37 | 3036477 Glass Seagull
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As for that HFCS curve:  looks like the HFCS lifecycle is on the downhill slope.  Sveltesville here we come!!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:17 | 3036659 Motorhead
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Peak HFCS!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:52 | 3037041 dark pools of soros
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we can only hope!!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:26 | 3036488 LouisDega
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Translation...Sir Lawerence Wildman says Blue horseshoe loves  Bluestar and Weight watchers

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:39 | 3036489 Jumbotron
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Social structure might turn out to be more important. In Sardinia, a cultural attitude that celebrated the elderly kept them engaged in the community and in extended-family homes until they were in their 100s. Studies have linked early retirement among some workers in industrialized economies to reduced life expectancy.


I think Charles is on to something here.  It has been long understood that one of the things that depressed people do to console themselves is to drink, take drugs and to overeat.  These, amongst other destructive behaviors, have a certain comforting effect on the depressed individual....but we all know how that ends up.  In terms of food....there is a reason that certain foods are called "comfort foods". 


Look at the deep south and the amount of obesity there.  One of the reasons is the high caloric fat filled food that is considered a southern staple.  However, I have long suspected that is also from a widespread amount of deep, clinical depression due in part to social and economic reasons.  Being born and raised in Mississippi I have had many relatives and even my own folks, eat that high fat, high caloric diet and even engage in a little smoke and drink....even my great-grandmother who loved her Tops brand snuff from a tin can...all were rail thin and lived ripe old ages.  But they also worked the land and never sat on their ass for long.  And they weren' my knowledge...clinically depressed.  And if they were...they worked through it, by not sitting on their ass moping.

As Susan Powter (Stop the Insanity) said in the late 80's....Eat Less and Get Off Your Ass !

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:40 | 3036497 Jumbotron
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Sorry for all the italics.  Went back to original post and highlighted the text and toggled the italics button a few times to no avail.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:41 | 3036501 not fat not stupid
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Healthy eating isnt rocket science. Shoveling toxic crap down your throat makes you unhealthy and fat.


This board is about personal responsibility, isnt it? How many morbidly obese posters are bitching about takers. If you're morbidly obese, you're a FUCKING TAKER.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:44 | 3036516 sparetime
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One word.


When I tried cutting carbs I kept running into potatos. Fries, chips, mashed,
Try going a week without a potato. It's almost impossible.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:51 | 3036534 Apply Force
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The weak will be culled : )

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:51 | 3036550 Eally Ucked
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Russians used to survive mainly on potatoes, bread and vodka for years and never got obese.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:47 | 3036802 El Viejo
Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:31 | 3036720 Dave Thomas
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Wheat and simple carbs saved Europe during the little ice age. Now that no one is starving to death and and simple carbs are so cheap to mass produce, it will end up killing everyone. This is partly why the european pancreas don't fulimante as readily when they eat twinkees and guzzle scotch. American indian's however explode when they touch the stuff, ask any doctor on any given reservation how many limbs per year he's amputated.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:31 | 3036728 squidward
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That's not just carbs, that's carbs and fat.  It doesn'tn fill you up like protein and fat, like a nice juicy ribeye.  500 calories of steak is going to fill you up more than 1000 calories of fries or chips.  

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:46 | 3036522 rosethorn
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This article misses a couple of important things.  One is the saturation level of fast food restaurants is much higher now than in 1985.  The industry filled in a lot of additional outlets.

The other thing is portion sizes; the average portion size was significantly less in 1985.  I don't think the "Super Size" marketing strategy got under way until the mid 1990's; and the average soft drink portion size skyrocketed after 1995 as well.  A 32 ounce Big Gulp used to be the epitome of large drinks, now 44 ounce drinks are common and real thirsty people go for the 64 ounce jugs of soda.


Wed, 12/05/2012 - 23:19 | 3038123 Abbie Normal
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And the reason we can consume mass quantities of soft drinks is also due to HFCS.  It does not trigger the satiated feeling the way normal sugar does, so we continue to drink and drink.  Pepsi recently introduced "throwback" versions of their soft drinks with sugar instead of HFCS but it was pulled off the market because overall consumption dropped.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:46 | 3036523 steve from virginia
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McDonalds ... automobiles. One way or the other they kill.


Just like machine guns ... but less noisy!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:46 | 3036526 Apply Force
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Agreed that HFCS is not the sole culprit, but it and all refined carbs (any sugar, hyper-processed grains, etc) are big players.  GMO and BT crops do not bode well for your intestinal flora or hormonal state either... check the farmers who have gone out of business due to infertile livestock (when fed GM and BT feed...).

The .gov backs all this bullshit - subsidizes much of it !! - and Monsnato et al are basically satan's spawn in our fascist/corporatist times.

And that is not to mention the generally fucked-up state of trace hormones, drugs and general pollutants in the water supply, as well as a shit-ton of EMF pollution (not just wifi and cell - - badly wired homes included). 

Best to secure your own clean, filtered water supply and have an idea of what most of your food actually IS and where it comes from.  Good luck avoiding EMF and electrical pollution (though there are some specific methods...).

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:14 | 3037128 TBT or not TBT
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any particular tinfoil design we should look into?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:47 | 3036528 Frank N. Beans
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from Wikipedia:


"A system of sugar tariffs and sugar quotas imposed in 1977 in the United States significantly increased the cost of imported sugar and U.S. producers sought cheaper sources. High-fructose corn syrup, derived from corn, is more economical because the domestic U.S. prices of sugar are twice the global price[21] and the price of corn is kept low through government subsidies paid to growers."

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:29 | 3036968 dark pools of soros
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using HFCS is the main cause.  Real sugar satisfies a craving. You don't need much of it.  Don't believe me? Carry some real sugar packs around and instead of eating junk food or crap candybars just have a little bit of sugar.  Craving is gone. No garbage ingested.  And you dont throw off your healthy diet with a binge

eat 5-6 times a day..  healthy small portions and just add a bit of real sugar (you can pour it in water too)

the brain needs sugar and yes you can process all kinda of foods into it but in the information age our brains need some mainlining and our stomachs hate HFCS


Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:15 | 3037140 TBT or not TBT
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that sugar is 50% fructose.   HFCS is 55%.   Fail.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 20:22 | 3037705 TBT or not TBT
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People, table sugar is mostly sucrose, which is made up of one glucose molecule bound to one fructose molecule.   It splits very quickly into free glucose and free fructose in the small intestine, rendering it just about equal in impact to the same calorie amount of HFCS, which is about 55/45 fructose to glucose, typically.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:48 | 3036532 q99x2
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It is GMO fool.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:48 | 3036533 Dr. Engali
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It's not really that hard to figure out. Stop eating shit and get up off of your ass. The rest will take care of itself. If you're eating a bunch of proccessed crap that has very few natural ingredients and loads of other crap to make it look better, taste better and last longer it's probably not very good for you.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:51 | 3036553 fonzannoon
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Ray! Easy with the language Ray! There are kids here!

(Can you hear her yelling)?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:57 | 3036565 Dr. Engali
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Lol...yes I can.  Good thing is ...I can sleep with both eyes closed.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:58 | 3036576 Dr. Engali
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Oh yeah...stay away from  soda.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:08 | 3036613 Raymond K Hessel
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Stay away from crap, shit and it!  

Everyone, stop eating shit and washing it down with soda.  It's making you fat.



Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:16 | 3036653 Motorhead
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Go large...with water.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:23 | 3036682 Dr. Engali
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Glad you got it. You forgot to get up off your ass though ;->

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:34 | 3036983 dark pools of soros
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Soda with real sugar is fine as a treat.  You will see that you can take one or two sips of it and leave it in the fridge, open, and it is still good days later. Hanks is a good example, many others.  Even pepsi jumped in with Throwback Montain Dew which is worlds better than the new junk they offer.

Remember real cherry cola?  With the cherries?  None of it was designed to be wolfed down 5 times a day.



Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:50 | 3036547 island
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Besides diet and exercise, look at chronic stress and lack of adequate sleep as causes for obesity.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:58 | 3036573 Apply Force
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Agreed - stress + no sleep/bad sleep = jacked up hormonal profiles = fat SOB's (or dead SOB's)

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:58 | 3036578 sundown333
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Is this really so hard to figure out? The answer is we don't have real food anymore! GMO crops, cows that don't graze,drugs fed to cows, etc. We have changed the food factor so more food can be produced and more money can be made at the cost of human health and life. The solution is quite simple. Do things the way they were done years ago and problem solved. Natural farming. Funny how my grandparents lived well into their 90's and had bacon and eggs and cakes and cooked with bacon grease and lard and were not fat and had mostly long and happy lives. Think about it.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:24 | 3036694 Apply Force
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Only way to do so in US of A - be the change you seek.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:19 | 3037153 TBT or not TBT
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we fatasses are the change we were waiting for.   Fundamentally transforming the USA!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:59 | 3036579 Freedom In Your...
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Topics like this are never as simple as 99% of people talking about it think. The root cause of why there are so many fat asses when a western style diet shows up is because the food and technology that preceeds it cause massive hormone imbalances. Artificial light really fucks up the brains ability to produce hormones necessary to repair and recycle damaged molecules. When you couple this with supermarkets that have cheap carbohydrates available year round with minimal mircronutriet and antioxidant levels you get inflammation all over the body which leads people becoming fat, having brain degenerating diseases, diabetes, and many other modern diseases.

From what I have learned, the reason people in undeveloped areas aren't fat when they eat lots of rice or other simple carbohydrates year round is because their bodies are able to properly repair itself at night (due to minimal artificial light) and the amount of micronutrients they get from vegetables help keep the brain sensitive to leptin and glucose which prevents the body from thinking it needs to store fat constantly. This is a very simplified summary, but I think it is much closer to the target that pointing to the China study.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:42 | 3036788 americanspirit
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Hi Freedom - you are the only person posting here who mentions whole body inflammation. Bless you. Most people, including almost everybody here, confuses obesity ( being fat) with whole body inflammation ( super-saturated tissues). WBI is 100% diet- related. Those posting here who talk about their weight loss when they have cut out this or that food probably don't realize that every single one of the foods they have cut out are inflammatory, not fattening. So yes they lost weight - they reduced their inflammation. A quick and easy test - if you're fat and lose weight you have a lot of loose skin hanging off places like your upper arms. If you've been inflamed and deal with it and lose weight, your skin shrinks back proportionally. Not everybody who is way overweight is obese, and not everybody is WBI - there's some of each. But there are a lot more people in the US and increasingly around the world who are eating an inflammatory diet and winding up looking fat who are in fact simply inflammed throughout their entire body. Now, the consequences of the body being in a constant state of extreme inflammation are another topic altogether, but those consequences have little or nothing with the consequences of being super-fat, or obese. And BTW most of the doctors I've mentioned WBI to look at me like I'm an idiot. I may be, but they are blind fools, and I'ld rather be an idiot any day.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 16:09 | 3036863 Bob
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Odd, I didn't expect anybody else to comment on this, thinking it was just a personal observation of my own. 

Yet looking back at video from as late as the 80's, it's always striking to me that people simply weren't able to carry as much weight without looking fat, regardless of the muscle/fat ratio.  People of given dimensions looked less "swollen" if you will.  Muscles were less swollen, skin was more slack . . . for people of roughly the same weight and muscle development.  It's striking to see . . . today those who truly aren't fat by reasonable current standards are of the same size as people who 30 years ago would have actually been recognized as fat . . . due to the way the shit hung on their bodies.  People have strangely plumped up, fat or not.   

Swollen indeed.  Then and Now comparisons scream swelling to my eye. 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:24 | 3037184 TBT or not TBT
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Modern vegetable oils are loaded with the precursors our bodies use, in the presence of high insuling levels particularly, to make the most powerful inflammatory compounds our immune systems produce.     Cut out the vegetable oil high in omega-6 pufa's and you cutoff the feedstock for producing more of the toxic fatty acid called AA.   Unfortunately that particular fatty acid gets mopped up by our fat cells.   During weight loss it is released to the blood stream.    That's one of the most stressful aspects of switching into a ketogenic fat burning diet mode.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 19:44 | 3037610 Freedom In Your...
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Have you checked out Jack Kruse and the articles he puts up on his blog? That was the first place I learned about the root causes of a lot of the disease people faced today. Some truly mind blowing information on his site.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:00 | 3036581 A Lunatic
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In times past obesity was something to strive for as it was a sign of wealth. Men were proud to take their fat wives and kids out in public. Look at depictions of women in not so ancient art, they were all fat asses. Obesity in general has always existed, however today it is not deemed desirable, therefore not culturally acceptable. I see an agenda here to divide society over yet another issue in order to deny services to yet another segment of society. Pretty soon the government will have all of our money and provide zero services whatsoever because we are all a bunch of fat fuck domestic terrorists..........

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:08 | 3036615 Frank N. Beans
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"In times past obesity was something to strive for as it was a sign of wealth."

yeah, now it's cadillac escalades, a mcmansion, and a 64-inch lcd tv


Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:22 | 3036675 A Lunatic
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You can get fries with all that too, lol.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 15:01 | 3036587 EcoJoker
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I've lost 18lbs myself this year.  It didn't happen until I cut out processed foods and sugar.   I really want to sue some food companies.  Why has this not happened yet?

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