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Mainstream Media Finally Reports On GM's Channel Stuffing Scandal

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Yet another story we have been following for nearly two years (and here) has finally migrated over to the Mainstream Media as attempts to hush it down before it become painfully obvious and problematic, have failed miserably. The WSJ writes that "Detroit auto makers are piling up big stocks of passenger cars at dealers despite brisk new-vehicle sales in the U.S.—a problem that executives vowed to avoid since their painful downturn three years ago."

WSJ continues:

General Motors Co. GM -0.39% ended November with enough Malibu sedans and Camaro sports cars to last more than five months at the current rate of sales. Ford Motor Co. F -0.88% had more than four months' worth of Fiesta subcompacts and Chrysler Group LLC had a nearly six month stock of its 2013 Dodge Dart.

It's an abrupt reversal from a year ago. In 2011, U.S. auto makers' market shares, especially in compact cars, soared as gasoline prices jumped and Japanese auto makers struggled with back-to-back natural disasters. This year, production at Toyota Motor Corp. 7203.TO -0.28% and Honda Motor Co. 7267.TO -0.66% came roaring back. Both began offering deeper sales incentives, something they hadn't done for many years. That has the Detroit Three in a quandary: Do they cut production or match incentives?

"They [the Japanese auto makers] really had to get aggressive about getting their market share back and maybe that did catch some by surprise or even flat-footed," said automotive analyst Michelle Krebs. Toyota and Honda "have a lot of zero-percent financing" rates.

"Look at the ads, you see a lot of zero, zero, zero," she said. also estimates that 38% of Toyota-financed sales last month carried interest-free loan rates.


GM also miscalculated demand for its pickup trucks. The industry norm for U.S. auto makers is between 60 days and 70 days of sales in inventory. GM had 138 days worth of Chevrolet Silverados at the start of this month. In passenger cars, its Chevrolet Cruze inventory jumped to 64,390 vehicles or 96 days. One of the two plants that GM will idle this month produces the Cruze.


"We thought the economy would have been further along at this point but as we look into December and 2013, we will get a tailwind from housing which benefits not only autos but the entire economy," said GM spokesman Jim Cain. "The one thing we won't do is commit the sins of the past and lose our discipline around rental cars and incentives. Our competitors may be doing it, but we have come too far to go backward and do something that may hurt our brands."

In other words: the disconnect between reality and hope has struck once more, and sadly for the optimists and those who specialize in budgeting hockeysticks, reality wins once again.

The WSJ does add some incremental value by observing the substantial, margin collapsing rebates all carmakers are forced to provide just to get inventory out of the door:

Toyota's average incentive per vehicle rose to $2,075 in November from $1,717 in January, according to automotive tracking firm Zero percent interest rates aren't counted in TrueCar's incentives tally.


Honda, meanwhile, has increased its average incentive to $2,428 from $1,978 in February despite releasing new versions of its top selling cars in the past year. The largest incentives offered in the U.S. last month were from Japan's Nissan Motor Co., 7201.TO +0.39% whose Altima has become a top selling sedan. Its average jumped to $4,273 a vehicle last month from $2,764 in January.


That is not to say the U.S. auto makers aren't also using incentives. Ford now offers as much as $2,895 off its 2013 Focus sedan, which had only two months' of inventory to start the month. Fiat SpA's F.MI -0.51% Chrysler has offered up to $5,000 off its Ram pickups, which had 3.5 months of inventory to start the month. GM has recently offered between $2,900 and $3,500 in average incentives for its vehicles, according to

In conclusion:

Producing too many cars and trucks is a problem the U.S. auto makers have wrestled with since the late 1970s. To keep their factories humming, GM, Ford and Chrysler would build vehicles and stock them at pop-up parking lots created on vacant land throughout the Detroit area. When the stocks grew onerous, they would unleash heavy incentives that eroded profitability and brand image.


Today, all three face tough decisions on cutting production or profitability as inventories have soared. Ford, for instance, finished November with 18,336 unsold Fiestas, or 124 days worth of supply, compared with 96 days in October.


The Dart, Chrysler's most important new offering of the year and its first compact sedan since 2005, began December with a 173 day supply. Sales of the Dart slipped in November compared with the previous two months.

And the punchline: all this is happening even as captive lending units, either standalone or government owned (ahem Ally, aka soon to be fully-GMAC once more) are lending money hand over fist to anything with a pulse as LTVs are back over 100% once more, and the average FiCo score of car loan borrowers is now arguably lower than where it was back in 2007.

In summary - wondering why GM is set for another inevitable bankruptcy and bail out? Here's why:


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Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:15 | Link to Comment CPL
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So more dealerships are going under, like auto malls weren't depressing enough to drive through nowadays.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:47 | Link to Comment Death and Gravity
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MSM only a year behind ZH. Gives me a cozy feeling to be part of this motley bunch.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment CPL
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Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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Prepare to be boarded , matey!

(BTW - Jeep, Dodge, and Chevy banners on left, top, and right of my screen respectively!  At least ZH is profiting from auto's mistakes :)  Avast ye!)

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Once again, Zero Hedge is  YEARS ahead of the Main & Quite Lame Stream Press-- the media "institution" and "pillar" of an enlightened society that has failed so miserably in even REMOTELY serving as an independent, objective observor and conveyor of FACTS or TRUTH, but that has instead become a DEEPLY CAPTURED PROXY PROPAGANDA arm of the government (is it any surprise, since 6 corporations own every network, cable station, newspaper, magazine, radio station or other form of "media" in the USAA?), which is itself DEEPLY CAPTURED by the KronyKapitalistKomrades of Finance/Banking/Wall Street (e.g. Warren "Let's Rape the Taxpayers Harder Via Bailouts amIright, Charlie Munger?" Buffet; e.g. The Honorable Jon "Vaporizer-- Poof It's Gone!" Corzine, etc.).

From High Frequency Trading, to the travails of one very much deficit/debt monetizing Federal Reserve (headed by Ben "The Federal Reserve Will Never Monetize the Debt" Bernanke), to  BLS (Bureau of Lies & Stories) chicanery & outright lies, to shadow banking liabilities, and everything in between that the Main & Lame Ass Stream Media is too incompetent and/or too corrupted to "bother" to report, there's always Zero Hedge.

Here's just one more very recent example of the ultimate FAIL...even outright FRAUD that is the U.S. Media:

Record, Blowout Black Friday/Grey Thursday Sales; Retailers In Heaven!!! Manna Raining Down!!!! Ooooops, maybe not...

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:16 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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They moved most production to Chiina......they're making cars like rabbits. What are they supposed to do with all of them?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Implicitly, get the taxpayer to fork out for them?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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Speaking of sticking the taxpayer, isn't it about time ol' Barry rolls out another cash for clunkers program?  Those 4-year old Fords should be losing their new car smell right about now and we cannot have that.

This world has turned into a joke.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:01 | Link to Comment catacl1sm
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You must have missed the article about the ecoboost engines catching fire.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:32 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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i think you need to redefine mainstream media....mainstream would be tmz, entertainment tonight, talk soup...i would think the  wall street journal would be considered the same as broccoli to a fat fuck to todays american...

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:46 | Link to Comment CynicLaureate
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The Daily Show.

Most people under 30 get their news from the Jon Stewart. 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Meant to say propaganda.....fixed it for you.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment yogibear
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No wonder they think globalism, consumerism and socialism will fix everything. 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment LouisDega
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My MSM is Sundance film channel and Turner classic movies. There was no mention of this GM stuffing. BTFD

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Anything tainted by the Murdoch should not be considered fit for human consumption.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Gift Whores
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The cars or the rabbits?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Gee I wonder if that's in any way connected to the government picking winners.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment digitlman
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You mean weiners.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment ihedgemyhedges
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Who picks the weiners now given that Barney Frank is out of Congress?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Boehner just banned the conservatives from Congress.....the only thing left is a bunch of dicks.


Brace for impact.....cause here it comes.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment Gift Whores
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Maybe someday that will matter.  A spender is a spender, no matter how small.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Lost Wages
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All my anarcho-primitivist dreams are coming true. Industrial Civilization is eating itself.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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Yes! We can all make hammocks and roll around in the mud with chickens at Twin Oaks.


I got a thing about chickens.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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How does the chicken "consent"?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:23 | Link to Comment ZFiNX
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They'll likely discount (see subsidize) the hell out of the cars. That will complete the stimulative circle-jerk. The dealers (see farmers) get subsidized and the public (see twinky-eaters) gets cheap cars. Alternatively, they could replicate the farmer subsidization and just buy the cars and withhold them from the market. This central-economic planning gets more twisted by the day.


Wait, wasn't the government going to replace their whole fleet with GM cars? Seems like a long euphemism for cornering the GM market.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:24 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Some should really ask Phil LeBeau over at The BlowHorn [CNBC] just how he missed this story for the last two years.  Thank you, ZeroHedge, for taking over the task of properly reporting financial news.

The GM  brand is terminal, if you ask me.  President Zero and the cronies who bailed this thing out have made sure that is the case.  Any day that GM shares are not zero is a good day to sell them.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment Screwball
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They didn't miss it.  It's on their "do not report" list.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Atlantis Consigliore
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where Framer? sell sell sell. ...Tresury flips 500 million shres to the FED ny as reserves for printing to buy us Treasury paper,.....sell sell sell. 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:24 | Link to Comment Coldsun
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They'll just make credit more accessible to sell more. Oh wait, GMAC (taxpayers) are already doing it?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Channel stuffing?  I prefer "well endowed channel".  Just don't follow up with "bend over America, I have a surprise for you".

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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What amazes me most is how you can't run a profit on a good that EVERYBODY uses...

Is quite expensive...

contains about 100$ in metal

and a lot of plastic...

and we've been making them for over a hundred years now so not all needs to be reinvented every time you make a new one...

and Audi and VW are working on a 600 Mpg car... while American cars at what again? 60Mpg?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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American cars at 60 miles per gallon? I think you meant to say "kilometers per gallon". 

And please don't bring up the Volt. The Chevy Volt is not a car. There's a very fractious debate going on here over what the Volt actually is. Some maintain that it is a $40,000 electric-assist shopping cart developed for use by Wal-Mart customers who are too heavy for the conventional battery carts. The other camp argues that it's a device to aid in starting garage fires.

I always just assumed the Volt was a ruse to make it look like the U.S. government is not a complete ecological catastrophe. In any case, it's clear that the U.S. car-buying public does not want to substitute a golf cart for their beloved USS Admiral Nimitz on wheels. Pretty soon I expect the Obama administration to issue an edict that one-third of all lvehicles sold in the U.S. must be a Volt---but the taxpayers will supply a $10,000 subsidy per Volt and zero down, zero percent financing.

That ought to put a dent in the vast fields of unsold Volts. Not.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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Funniest post so far today.  Well Done!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:27 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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This just in: Mice still like cheese.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment moriarty
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Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:27 | Link to Comment monopoly
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It just never stops. Last night on ABC useless news they advised the housing market is "rocketing higher". Used Orlando as an example. What do they gain buy lying to us? They just lose credibility and we turn them off. Pathetic broadcasting.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:34 | Link to Comment in-Credible Banker
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And it was the lead story!!!!!!!!  The crazy thing is (doing this from memory) that there was no empirical data used to support the idea of "rocketing higher"....just the anecdotal evidence of a couple of isolated streets in the hardest hit areas.  UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:34 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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It's not a lie if people believe them.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment jcaz
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ROFLMAO! As someone who lives in Orlando, I guess I missed the memo about the "rocketing higher" housing market-  all I see is "take your pick" of empty and shelved houses for sale-  most of which don't even bother to advertise anymore, for fear of showing up in the stats.......

But hey, ABC-  don't let the truth get in the way of your reporting.....

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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Wait until Obamacare creates a nation of part time workers. How many going to buy new $30K+ cars? As always, will end badly

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:36 | Link to Comment Mr. Lucky
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Not to worry; soon we will have the ability to put car payments on an EBT card.


Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:03 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Another round of cash for clunkers after sales dries up. With an unlimited credit card (no debt ceiling) anything is possible. 

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment uncle_vito
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Maybe Detroit will have a hurricane and all these cars will flood.   They are insured, aren't they?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:29 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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They should hang out BIG signs on those lots that say:


Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:29 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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Dodge Dart?  Really?

They know not what they're doing.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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 I've been waiting with rabid anticipation for the resurrection of the AMC Gremlin. ;oD

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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It's the Pacer that sets my heart on fire. Can I show you my collection of beautifully restored Yugos?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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The pontiac Aztec was aesthetically way before its time, it'll be viewed as sleek apple-ish design soon!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Fiat Fart

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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The automakers won't channel stuff, the banks won't lever up with CDS's and MBS's, the FED isn't moentizing debt (or acting like a bad bank), CONgress will represent The People, etc., etc., etc.

The list of lies and "I promise I won't do it again"'s is pretty big.

The problem with domestic production is an aging and increasingly poor population and a lack of exports.  Judging fromt the commercials I see a lot of money is going for catheters, scooters, prescription meds, and Medicare supplemental insurnace instead of GM or Chrysler.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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So out-sourcing millions of jobs overseas has had a negative impact on consumer purchasing power.

Who could have seen that one coming?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment caimen garou
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soon they will be giving a new car with every purchase of a apple product, wait a minute did i just give away a marketing idea?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 20:55 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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My wife just got a re-subscription proposal in the mail for a medical journal, $1000/yr (for two years) -- including a FREE iPad -- only in America!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment ak_khanna
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The economic system before the bursting of credit crisis was one of capitalism and free economy where businesses took risks to earn profits and bonuses and closed shop if they were not successful and incurred losses to be replaced with better managed companies. Since 2008 this has changed to one where the influential and well connected corporations enjoyed enormous profits and bonuses when they took exceptional risks with other people’s money and if they incurred heavy losses, the sympathetic governments and central bankers would arrange for the taxpayers to bear those losses.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:37 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Maybe GM can partner with the China government and park some of these "stuffed channel cars" in the empty Chinese cities - so the satellite shots look like someone is living there.


By the way.  Any news on the $3000 cars coming from Tata?  Bye Bye GM.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Better yet, take the excess cars down to shore, and wait for the storm to arrive. Then simply take the insurance write off. Or if that won't happen fast enough, bring um to the slums of detroit, on their way to say, Alaska. And in a matter of moments they will be vandalized and the subsequent write off. It's just that easy to correct the numbers, and have a profit to boot.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:10 | Link to Comment yogibear
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"Any news on the $3000 cars coming from Tata? "

In the US, naw,even a riding lawn mower may be safer. There are DOT standards they don't have in India. Under powered and unsafe it may be one way to reduce the less intelligent American population.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:39 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Starve the monster and stop paying taxes. Someone told me once to go contract under your own company and lose money for three years then start another company and so on. I told them that if I ever decide to work that sounds like a plan. It is un-American to pay taxes to the NWO.

Let the Rockefellers and Rothschilds bail out GM and everyone else for that matter. They stole the money.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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Problem is they created this thing called "the Fed".

It is turning out to be the ultimate Wealth Transfer Machine.

Mr. Peabody and Sherman would be jealous.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:20 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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Government Motors To Big To Fail...

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:39 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Yet somewhere today I read an MSM story that said GM is selling like gangbusters.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment billwilson
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 Ford, for instance, finished November with 18,336 unsold Fiestas, or 124 days worth of supply, compared with 96 days in October.

So .... they managed to up days supply by 28 days in a month with 30 days ... so assuming a steady production cycle ... they sold 2 days worth of production in the month .... OOOPS

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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Looking at those inventory numbers that have nearly doubled since Dec 2009, they had better be doubling sales.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Samsonov
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The automakers didn't want to get caught "flat footed", so they ramped up production.  In other words, they had hope that the economy would go parabolic and they feared missing the rally.  They are momentum chasers.  And we know what happens to them.  Now, for the first time I will use my new favorite expression from the article: "Reality wins, once again."

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Is one of you leftist clowns going to quote Karl Marx ?  Lost Wages ?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment negative rates
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A car company? Yea, I think I want to get me one of those.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment forwardho
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The story is in the stock values.

GM -0.39

ford -0.88

toyota -0.28

honda -0.66

These are bellweather companys. The stuffing, and the drop in "value" is a staggering indicator for the rest of the [Production] economy. 

This is a very loud warning bell, Unfortunately it seems to be ringing in a vacuum.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment thewhigs
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"GM also miscalculated" and "We thought" (said GM spokesmaan Jim Cain)-no need to say anything else.


Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment azengrcat
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LEAN Manufacturing: Holy F***, your doing it wrong.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment FLHRS
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The result of Obama's back door push to get people, factories and parts suppliers going this summer and fall, so he could get the rust belt votes.  Now what.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Another Cash for clunkers coming if Obama can dump the debt ceiling and have an unlimited credit card. Obama and his wife love to spend. Money is no object when it's someone elses.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment surf0766
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reminds me of mid 2008 when someone went on tv screaming about how no one knew nothing adding to the crisis...   looks like they are trying to create the next crisis to push the final marxist solution upon us.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Monedas
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S .... Y .... R .... I .... A  !   Syria !   (Rolling Stones "Gloria" cerca 1965)       

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment orangedrinkandchips
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Look, if you are looking for a car, new, YOU HAVE TO HIT THE USED CAR SITES.....

try....i dare find a Toyota 4runner! My buddy tried several years ago when they were around more and NOT JACK SHIT....unless you wanted to go to Alabama to pick it up!

Now.....YOU CAN FIND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF USED JEEPS.....why? cause they suck ass. Nothing personal Chrysler....just the fact that the Asians can make cars and we cant. Game over.


die GM...die!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Drive the unsold cars around the block, cut the price 50% and call them used Cars.! New New GM business model.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment orangedrinkandchips
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"Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way....THE TIME IS GONE...THE SONG IS OVER...THOUGHT I HAD SOMETHING MORE TO SAY...."

Pink Floyd



Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment ptoemmes
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I suppose/assume that a vehicle is considered sold when delivered from the manufacturer to the dealership.  Not sure excaclty where the uint has to be physically:in the dealer's possesion, at the port, on the truck, in the mfg lot, etc.  Dealers do have to finance their "floor" inventory.

I also assume that new car registrations reflect when the vehicle is actually sold to an end user, but am further not sure how that might work when it is a rental unit, government vehicle, etc.

My point is I have no doubt there is much channel stuffing.  I just wonder if there is a different way to quantify it.



Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Pairadimes
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Nothing that a 'buy one, get three free' promotion or a federal 'GM Dealer Inventory Excess Carry Cost Tax' on your IRS return can't fix.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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"I see dead Chevys."


Maybe Obamageddon and CONgress will pull an obamacare move.   Everyone deserves a car.  We'll hire another 50k IRS agents and implement ObamaCar tax.   You are required to buy a car or you will pay an IRS penalty.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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Hostess is not GM.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 21:08 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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So, go long Twinkie™-mobiles?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:43 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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The best way to buy a used car.  Find a car broker or any small time dealer that goes to dealer to dealer auctions such as Manheim.   Just pay him a few hundred bucks as a finders fee.   You buy with cash at true dealer cost but could finance it after, off lease cars etc..2-3 yrs old, saving several real thousand bucks.    The dealer/broker can log into Manheim and give you a list of recent sale prices for the vehicle you are looking for.   

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 10:46 | Link to Comment Doug
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There's always a bull market somewhere.  (or is that bullsh*t market?)

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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WSJ readership is under 5 million. This is hardly a victory. I'll let you do the math on how much 5 million is on either the US population or the world population.


There is a severe problem in defining the MSM and what it actually reports. The typical person does not read the WSJ. Furthermore, the other MSM outlets do not pick up on such stories.


Until that starts to happen regularly TD, the WSJ has very little impact on the general population. It only confirms what you have been reporting for months now. But for the average person on the street, they would have no idea of what the term "channel stuffing" even means.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 12:52 | Link to Comment justsayin2u
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Don't forget about their $45.4B in tax savings they enjoy over the next few decades!  As long as they can generate a profit to shield (GMAC mebbe????).  Jus another governmant scam.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 20:20 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Got a mailer today. "Total Vehichle Elimination Event". You may have won a 2013 Chevy Cruze. Bring the key to your dealer for a scratch & win!

Pretty desperate.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 22:43 | Link to Comment sydneybound
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I don't want to be a party pooper, but there is certain amount of seasonality regarding November levels.  Look at previous years and it happens every time.  I'm not saying that there isn't channel stuffing happening, but I am saying that November has historically had a huge jump and then back down in December.

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