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Guest Post: The GOP Is Dying Because The Liberty Movement Is Thriving
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,
To the point of causing intestinal convulsions, there has been no shortage of analysis on the elections of 2012. Every no-name mop-head mainstream media hack with a niche audience has put in his or her two cents on the finale of perhaps the biggest non-event of the decade and almost every single one of them has been depressingly wrong or completely disingenuous - but perhaps this was to be expected. The word “journalist” has today become synonymous with “whore”, simply because success in the field makes whoredom essential. The job of news outlets is not to report on the facts, but to fashion an illusory world out of manure bricks and glossy paint, and this is exactly what they have done in their musing on the fate of the GOP.
For any saucer-eyed skeptic who still believes that all disinformation is mere coincidence or personal bias rather than an engineered and coordinated conspiracy, I would like to point out the sudden, similar and simultaneous conclusions of MSM pundits in the wake of Barack Obama’s “victory” in November. You would think that there would be hundreds if not thousands of conflicting ideas about what really happened this year, but instead, Americans are being presented with a chorus of identical viewpoints.
One meme that is being spread widely in the mainstream that I do actually agree with is that the Republican Party is “dying”. Oh yes, this is undoubtedly true. The GOP is on the fast track to the stew pot (or maybe another pot), but what the mainstream fails to mention is that this is something that alternative analysts in the Liberty Movement have been predicting for years, long before the name “Barack Obama” ever haunted the dreams of average Republicans, and this raises an important question; what did the alternative media see that the mainstream media missed?
The primary root of all the dysfunctional observations of the GOP is that most people today have no clue what conservatism is, and therefore, they have no idea how to diagnose problems in the Republican Party (an institution which is supposed to represent conservative values). You don’t send a lawnmower repairman to examine a cancer ridden human being, you send a doctor who knows what a healthy body is supposed to look like. You also don’t send a hardcore liberal or a Neo-Con flunky to comment on the failings of the GOP; you send a true conservative who knows how a healthy conservative organization is supposed to function. And, the only people left in this country who actually understand what conservatism really is are Liberty Movement activists.
Ironically, those of us in the movement who have deeply considered the election aftermath have predominantly concluded that it is WE who have taken the mojo out of the GOP, and frankly, we’re happy to do so…
The GOP is dying because it no longer supports or nurtures the progress of true and traditional conservative values or the people who hold them. The GOP is fading into the bowels of political history because real conservatives are LEAVING it behind, and searching for other more legitimate avenues. These are the cold hard facts which the establishment and those who aid in its dominance have tried to keep out of the mainstream limelight post election. They have concocted a swarm of unsupported and absurd talking points which have been unleashed shotgun-style on the unsuspecting American populace. Their goal? To hide the fact that the Liberty Movement has gained enough momentum to bury the Neo-Con led GOP and even swing state contests at will, simply by not participating in the farce.
During the 2010 mid-term elections, there was a mass resurgence in conservative voting based almost entirely on Tea Party optimism. Some might argue that the Tea Party was a sham, and I would have to agree…to a point. The Tea Party didn’t start out that way (I know because I was involved during its inception). In the beginning it was a legitimate force for reduced government power and spending, and increased protection for civil liberties revolving mainly around the campaign of Ron Paul. That changed, though, when Neo-Con elites began weaseling their way into the club, gushing about how they loved freedom.
What these vermin do not understand, though, is that it takes more than rhetoric to hold onto Liberty Movement voters; you also have to back your words with action, and this is exactly why some career Republicans were shown the door in 2012. Not because the Democrats were a better choice, but because the Republicans had not lived up to the promises they made two years ago. Neo-Con toadies would, of course, sneer at my observations, and tell a completely different story on why they are losers…
Let’s take a look at just a few of the mainstream media and GOP leadership arguments and propaganda initiatives and why they are shameless fabrications meant to hide Liberty Movement influence…
Lie #1: U.S. Demographics Are Changing And The GOP Platform Does Not Appeal To Minorities
The MSM and others are essentially suggesting that only white people will ever vote Republican, and by association, that only white people value conservatism and Constitutionalism. They are also cleverly and subconsciously implanting the idea that most minorities will only ever vote for a socialist and statist candidate (like Obama) in the future, or, that they will vote based entirely on skin color. That is to say, they are inferring that minority voters are predominantly narrow minded and stupid, and are also promoting a fabricated division based on race.
To illustrate why the demographics argument is a lie, I would like to use the examples of Allen West and Denny Rehberg; both high value Republicans in state races who “unexpectedly” lost to the Democrats.
Allen West, a black male candidate for the 22nd Congressional District of Florida, ran on a “Tea Party limited government platform” in 2010, and won by a margin of around 20,000 votes over Ron Klein, a white male Democrat. In 2012, West ran against another white male Democrat, Patrick Murphy, in Florida’s 18th District and lost by 2000 votes. Obviously, Florida’s vast population and myriad minority groups did NOT play the only part in West’s victory in 2010, or his loss in 2012. If skin color was ever the primary issue, then he should have won easily in 2012, just as he did in 2010 according to those who make the “changing demographics” race based argument. West’s opponents, Klein in 2010 and Murphy in 2012, had very similar and very standard Democratic Party policies, and neither man was overly interesting or influential. West did not suddenly have to face down a Dem. powerhouse in 2012; just another boring-as-crackers lefty.
West ran two campaigns against almost identical opponents under almost identical social conditions, somehow winning one, and losing the other. So, what happened? What was different in 2012? The fact is, the only thing different in 2012 was that this time around liberty based voters knew West was not a true conservative. West was a fraud, and a statist, and the Liberty Movement cast him out by declining to vote for him.
Almost immediately after West’s victory in 2010, his limited government constitutionalist persona began to change. He voted to strengthen pork programs which continue to pump fiat federal monies into local governments, generating massive national debt and making state officials beholden to federal control. He voted yes to line-item veto authority for the President, bypassing the constitutionally delineated powers of Congress. He supported CISPA (Cyber Intelligence Sharing And Protection Act) which would have given government incredible legal power to violate the privacy rights of ordinary Americans. And last, but certainly worst, West not only voted for the NDAA despite its unconstitutional indefinite detainment provisions, he also worked to strike down initiatives to remove language in the NDAA that made it applicable to U.S. citizens. To ice the cake, he openly admitted to serving on the Armed Forces Committee which reviewed the bill before it was even released, and later attempted to lie about what it actually did.
Why would a supposed constitutionalist and conservative champion applaud the legislated rendition and indefinite imprisonment of American citizens without trial and without due process all on the mere accusation of “terrorism” by the President, and then pretend as if that power was not granted by the bill? Because, he is a fake conservative and an establishment thug.
In my home state of Montana, Republican Denny Rehberg ran a highly anticipated race for Senate against incumbent Democrat John Tester. Rehberg’s platform was just like Allan West’s; pro-Tea Party, limited government, thumbs up to the Constitution, and wrap up in the flag for good measure.
Rehberg had won many of his U.S. Representative campaigns by a vast margin leading up to his decision to run for Senate (around 60% to his opponent’s 30%). I can say that in a state like Montana, the idea of “changing demographics” affecting the election is laughable. Montana is freaken’ white! W-H-I-T-E! Rehberg, a Republican “dreamboat candidate” complete with carefully groomed cowboy mustache was thought to be a sure win in this state. By my personal observations seeing him at functions including a local Lincoln/Reagan dinner, I would say HE thought he was a sure win, to the point of ego-mania.
So in a predominantly white and predominantly conservative state, how did Rehberg lose? Because elections have little to do with “demographics” or party, and everything to do with the integrity of the person running, especially where the Liberty Movement is concerned.
Rehberg’s professed fuzzy feelings for freedom and limited government were undeniably false. His consistent support for big government programs aside, he voted for and viciously defended the NDAA. When approached by Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers at a Republican function about his vote for rendition and permanent detention without trial for American citizens, he side-stepped the question completely, and accused Rhodes (a veteran Army Paratrooper) of “not supporting the troops”. Rehberg’s attitude did not go unnoticed by the Liberty Movement population in Montana, and like Conrad Burns, the Republican incumbent who had been unseated in 2006, he lost by a substantial margin of voters who instead backed a Libertarian third party candidate.
The argument for “changing demographics” was certainly not applicable in either of these two incidences, along with numerous other state and local elections I do not have the space to mention. It also does not take into account the millions of Americans who refrain from voting because they feel utterly unrepresented in the election process. This lie is being pushed in order to hide the real change in America: a movement towards legitimacy and humility in government, rather than hubris and tyranny.
Lie #2: The GOP Does Not Appeal To Young Voters, Who Are Predominantly Liberal (Socialist)
I would still be considered a young voter, and so would many of my closest friends. They and I had all but abandoned politics in disgust years ago when we discovered Ron Paul, one of the only representatives in Washington D.C. that we felt actually embodied the traditional constitutional methodology (original conservatism). Not only had he received the highest amount of donations from the men and women of the U.S. military, he was also packing sold out speaking events on college campuses across the country while Obama and Romney were crawling on hands and knees throwing free tickets at elementary school children just to get a minor crowd. The point is, Ron Paul, a true conservative, was energizing the youth vote and even bringing some Democrats over from the socialist dark side.
The idea that a young voter is predestined to embrace collectivist nanny government and sell their soul to the Democratic Party is a lie of epic proportions. The GOP could have had them on board anytime they wanted; all they had to do was nominate Ron Paul as their presidential candidate. Instead, they went with yet another Neo-Con ghoul whose rhetoric and record was nearly identical to Obama’s. The GOP could have won, if they had actually wanted to win. But then, it would have meant disrupting the false left right paradigm, and surely, the establishment can’t have that…
Lie #3: The GOP Needs To Evolve With Our “Progressive” Times Instead Of Clinging To Traditional Conservative Principles
Ultimately, this lie is designed to infer that the Republican Party needs to take on a more collectivist attitude in order to appeal to the rising tide of a younger generation and our nation’s so-called “changing demographics”. Hilariously, the lie is suggesting that the GOP do what they have in fact already done: go full socialist.
The Republican Party has not “clung” to traditional conservative principles for a very long time. Over the course of the past several decades it has become a haven for the minions of Leo Strauss, a statist and Platonian fascist whose job was to subvert the core of conservatism and warp it into a festering cesspool of elitism - much like the Democratic Party. The GOP has failed because this elitism is now undeniably present, and the party has lost its ability to hide what it has become.
When a sad victim of academia tries to argue that the cause of our economic crisis is the “evil of the free market”, I always point out that he/she has actually never lived in a world where true free markets exist. They have, for their entire lives, lived under a socialized and centralized economic system, and so, blaming “free markets” for their financial woes is like blaming Tasmanian Tigers for the death of their Chihuahua. The same goes for conservatism. When people wail against the crimes of George W. Bush and the possible return of a “conservative” presidency, I always point out that Bush was not a conservative, and that there hasn’t been a legitimately conservative GOP since before they were born.
The Republican Party has already delved into the realm of centralized despotism as much as the Democratic Party has. Its only salvation now is to reverse course back towards limited government and freedom, not continue into federalized oblivion.
Lie #4: The Liberty Movement Had No Influence On The Elections Whatsoever
As I have shown, proponents of constitutional values have indeed swayed particular elections, at least at the state and local level. Therefore, the assertion is meant to inject disinformation in pursuit of a particular end. Strangely, I heard this argument all throughout the primaries and up until the week after Obama declared victory; the argument that our movement does not matter and will never gain tangible momentum. And yet, all through the primaries up until the day before elections the Neo-Cons were either courting us with gifts, goodies, and offers of a “place at the table”, or attacking us viciously as “traitors to our own ideals” whose non-participation was akin to a “vote for the Antichrist (Obama)”.
Now, my question is; if the Liberty Movement doesn’t matter, then why were GOP cronies so desperate to convince us to vote party line?
Why did they feel the need to regurgitate the “lesser of to evils” argument over and over again? Why did it matter to them if we voted for Romney, or voted third party, or didn’t vote at all? If our influence is so miniscule, then why invite Liberty Movement representatives like Rand Paul or Sherriff Mac to cheerlead for the “guy who will drive the bus off the cliff slower”? Why try in a grade school manner to shame us into setting aside our principles? Why not simply ignore us and let us wallow in our own “obscurity”.
I see two possibilities…
First, that the Liberty Movement has grown strong enough to encompass a sizable mass of voting power, at least large enough to ensure that many GOP candidates will win or lose by a particular margin. That margin may be thin and we may not yet be in a position to launch our own party, but without us, they know they are likely to fall short, and this problem is only going to grow as time passes. They court us, or attack us, because they realize they cannot win despite us.
Second, if you subscribe to the well documented idea that elections, at least at the federal level, are entirely staged (which I do), then you might ask yourself again why the GOP elite were grasping for the Liberty Movement to relinquish for the sake of defeating Obama. If Obama and Romney are essentially the same monkey, the same exact errand boy for the same exact globalist puppeteers, then what the hell do they need our vote for? Romney wins, and they get what they want. Obama wins and they get what they want. Unless…what they really wanted was our participation in the farce.
That’s right, perhaps the greater purpose of the endless lesser-of-two-evils charade was to see if the establishment could convince us to compromise our conscience and be drawn back into the game. Maybe, just maybe, it was all a test, of you, of us, to discern how much of the Liberty Movement could be conned or swayed with moral relativism. Perhaps the death rattle of the Republican industrial complex was due to the one thing that the media will never spotlight in a 60 minute primetime special; the fact that the majority of the burgeoning Liberty Movement refused to sell out, proving that the GOP is no longer effective at keeping us reigned in or co-opted. The GOP is dying and we are thriving. Whether or not the two are related, I leave for you to decide…
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+1, amen. Indeed, looking for leaders is the tribal instinct that has plagued human societies and held back liberty since the dawn of time.
That's also why Ron Paul looks so strange to those clueless pundits, he just does not pretend to lead anything and instead talks about an idea movement of which he's just a part.
Which is the key to being a good leader in the first place--if everyone is looking to you for answers, it won't scale.
Dr. Paul was the epitome of Alfred J. Nock's Remnant.
"In his 1936 article "Isaiah's Job", which appeared in the Atlantic Monthly and was reprinted in pamphlet form in July 1962 by The Foundation for Economic Education, Nock expressed his complete disillusionment with the idea of reforming the current system. Believing that it would be impossible to convince any large portion of the general population of the correct course and opposing any suggestion of a violent revolution, Nock instead argued that libertarians should focus on nurturing what he called "the Remnant"."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Jay_Nock
Isaiah's Job by Albert Jay NockWho says who can't learn something at the Hedge....
(Admittedly it is from one of the old hands).....
The people have always run the liberty movement. But if you're looking for a figure head, DEERRRRR RAND PAUL!
The GOP is also dying because they have fallen in bed with the liberals. This is why the liberty movement is so strong. There really is only one party rule anymore. The surface politics of division are merely for theatre. Its us against them.
I'm losing track of how many times I've watched one party or the other "die."
It's nothing but the swing of the pendulum used to hypnotize the sheeple.
'its nothing but the swing of the pendulum used to hypnotize the sheeple.'
that's good stuffing, NA!
hmm, what of a GOP - Lib affair?
think mary matalin - james carville
not pretty
nuff sed
Summary of the article in 6 words:
The Free Shit Army votes Dimmocrat.
add some more words, cuz a large percentage of democrat/Kenyan Thug voters are women who demand the right to kill their unborn babies - not only the Free Shit Army - I know plenty of women who don't get or care about free shit but get extremely belligerent when you talk about outlawing their right to kill their unborn babies
Maybe because they don't think it is any of your business?
If men could be impregnated, abortion would never be an issue.
How much Viagra is prescribed by the same health plans that issue birth control?
All this high talk about liberty seems to grind to a halt when YOUR beliefs conflict with MINE, eh?
The Free Shit Army also vote Republican. The Red States get more shit because the Blue States produce the REVENUE for the Red States to SPONGE OFF OF.
Of course that is NOT ANYTHING about what the article was referring to. It was referring to the FACT that the Republicans and Democrats were THE SAME PARTY. The Liberty Movement is going to make your STATIST CRAP irrelevant. So enjoy that SOCIALIST!!!
Leading Republicans differentiate themselves from Democrats by using so much of their political capital to keep down the tax rates of the rich. BushII said he had a lot of political capitol he could use up to accomplish that end. Well, he used it up and Republicans prioritizing that goal are now operating on fumes. Othewise, the leadership of the two partes are pretty much in lockstep with regard to wars, debt, and an expanding corporatist police state.
Brandon is just another self-righteous idiot.
Liberty is dying because the 47% are now the 50% ,and soon will be the 55%. The people sold their liberty, and the responsibility that goes with it, for Obamaphones and endless unemployment checks. They couldn’t care less about fiscal and constitutional responsibility.
This so-called "liberty movement" can't compete against that. Libertarians never get more than 2% of a general national vote. Get real.
The people have spoken. They chose despondency and bankruptcy, or like Brandon, they threw a childish fit. That's what they will get.
Thank you for saying "couldn't care less"rather than the nonsensical and often seen "could care less".
Except that some of us, the 2% who are intelligent and responsible, cannot possibly live with such a situation and thus, something will be done about it. The FSA types are just going to go along for the ride because otherwise, when push comes to shove, we just aren't going to feed them anymore.
"The FSA types are just going to go along for the ride because otherwise, when push comes to shove, we just aren't going to feed them anymore. "
Sure, we'll just quit working and producing because we're tired of everything being stolen. It's like the old joke in the Soviet Union. "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." I’m afraid that will be the only revenge we have against such a corrupt system.
Like going reverse-Galt? Movements don't have to start at the top.
They just do not understand how easy it is to opt out of the tax system. You know that Warren Buffet was absolutely right when he said that Gold does not produce a revenue stream? That is right. It does not produce an revenue stream...FOR THE GOVERNMENT. That is the reason why the statists hate it so much.
It is dead money. It will not be taxed until it is sold. Then, and only then, one pays a Capital Gains tax on it. So we remove our wealth from the markets and place it into Gold. As we do this the price will increase because of the added demand for the Physical Metal. We can tank the Stock Markets, the Bond Markets, and the like.
They can print, and print, and print even more to attempt to grow their depressed markets. While that is happening the Gold price just continues to increase because of the Monetary Debasement into the inevitable Hyperinflationary Inferno.
We, the 2%, actually have the power. No we will not feed the Beast any longer. Let it starve itself...into collapse.
Give me Liberty or give me Death.
Which is a way of saying the right went more right than the right party could go.
Don't know how many times I've seen predictions of a political party dieing only to see them regain power at the next election.
All it takes is a bit of time for the "alternative" party to discredit itself. Which, due to their incoherence (and corruptability), is a given.
But for some reason, this swing goes right down the memory-hole.
When the Liberty movement is strong enough to be a viable political force it will be full of, and consequently ruined by, politicians.
That's a very Palinesque statemtent.
Only if the Liberty movement doesn't have the balls to incorporate into their platform, things like the "check and balance" idea, that any politician elected with an (L) after their name can't hold more then two terms in any elected office and remain in the party! And if that sounds too extreme and too hardcore for you, your NOT gonna like the Liberty Movement AND you better just stay regeristed in the fraud GOP! This Country was founded on the very principle of "checking power" and its inherent evil!
Checking power would have been a very easy thing to do at the foundational level of our Constitution, however when you have a system that provides for an unelected Supreme Court that has an indisputable final say on what is or is not constitutional and therefore legal it really doesn't matter who holds the keys to most political offices or their respective term limits or lack thereof.
Great point A lunatic. As a full blown RP supporter since 07 I am now having signifant doubts about son Rand. He may just be proving your point. Time will tell.
No. That is not true. One finds that the path to Liberty resides within one's self. Self actualization is that which leads to Liberty. The movement is not political. In fact we stayed home and did NOT VOTE. That is the point of the article.
It is force that is precisely the problem.
Romney lost in 2011 for the same reason he didn't get nominated in 2008, he ran a lousy campaign. End of story.
When your only campagin slogan that works is "I'm not Obama" then you really don't have a campaign you have a Ken Doll that talks.
I thought his only campaign slogan was "Hi, I'm Thurston Howell." Could Obama have had a more made-to-order opponent?
dbtx,"he ran a lousy campaign. End of story." well I for one voted 3rd party (1st time) not because of a lousy campaign..but because he was much more left than I could stand. GOP stands for nothing..read my lips: the GOP is dead to me. They are sell outs to the elite who have no tie to USA except as a farmer to this milk cow.
The Tea Party was about one thing and one thing only.
CUT SPENDING.
Nothing else. Then anti abortion types decided to declare the Tea Party cared about being one of them. Ditto defense folks who decided the Tea Party was one of them. And the gay marriage opponents, they all labeled the Tea Party one of them.
Next thing you know, the left wing joined the party and agreed with all this, labeling Tea Party to mean anything extremely right wing.
And it's not. It never was. It's about cut spending and ONLY cut spending.
That may have been too dangerous a movement to allow to exist, so the move got underway to corrupt it.
All movements will be undermined and corrupted in order to protect the status quo. The instant an idea becomes institutionalized, it creates a lever of control over those who subscribe to it.
Maybe once upon a time....
It is now a front for the Kochs....
*sigh* hence, it is no longer the Tea Party, it is something else.
People think that since the spelling of a word does not change, that a given word attached to an ideal means the ideal doesn't change.
Let me know when Diogenes shows up to help identify who the "real" Tea Party is....
It sure the fuck ain;t hypocrites like Rand Paul, or those old farts that want to cut every thing except thier SS and Medicare...
"It sure the fuck ain;t hypocrites like Rand Paul, or those old farts that want to cut every thing except thier SS and Medicare..."
Bingo. And no cynic necessary. The liberty movement won't be co-opted, you can bet your one testical on that. And, when RP retires, you won't find a one of them in D.C.
Out of curiosity, do you collect Timothy McVeigh memorabilia? Just askin'....
LOL! Nice rebuttal, troll.
So there will be one socialist party and a bunch of fragmented counter parties.
More like one Socialist party and a bunch of "Terrorists".
Hence the passing of NDAA and buildup of the drone army to deal with said Libertarians er um I mean Terrorists.
Ense et aratro, comrades...
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Will be?
Grover killed the Tea Party with the No Tax Pledge. The No Tax Pledge killed the concept of a flat tax because 50% don't pay taxes and even a flat tax of 1% would be an increase.
It is all lost now because by the time there is another election, if there is another election, 60% of the population will be living off of the other 40% and will continue to vote for people that say take more from the "rich" and give it to me.
yep - GAME OVER
Until the checks stop coming, or the money doesn't buy squat.
The GOP tried to bullshit us once again, rather than sticking to principles.
I'd rather not vote at all - than vote for waffling bullshitters who supported the bailouts and N.D.A.A.
"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
It is comical to hear commentators say that the GOP needs to get soft on illegal immigration and meet Democrats in the middle. Hell, may as well vote Democrat if I vote at all. At least the Democrats are saying they will defend already taxed entitlements.
The Republicans helped bail out Wall Street, now they want to talk austerity.
BULLSHIT.
That thumbnail is freaking me out.
This nation was founded and has thrived upon the 5 RAGES - Racism, Arrogance, Greed, Egotism & Self-Aggrandizement. The founding Fathers knew this such that several wise ones tried to add 'legal structure and controls' to the new 'Complex System' knon as the United States. Sadly, human agenda and 'compliation' has intervened too many times. Today, the 'System' is out of control and careening into 'revolutionary' as opposed to 'measured' change. The Dishonest Wealthy and their worthless money cannot buy the necessary incremental 'restructuring' - thank God. prepare for the Bad to get Worse as Greed is Mindless and Deedless...
'Americanism' knows no bottom.
And your stupidity knows no boundaries so you're even.
Bad days for 'americans' then. Even a person inflicted with studipity with no boundaries could see the nature of 'americanism'
Again, when you are no longer able to bamboozle the stupidest in the room, it tells about your own intellect, especially if you keep trying.
Yep, 'americanism' does not know any bottom, as this 'american' feels obliged by his imperious 'american' nature to show.
AnAnonymous babbled:
Nope, not even close. Considering your oddball concept of 'americanism', the crustiest bit, the best way, the matteringest, the most accurate way to state the wordings is:
You think your fancified utterings are a big dream such like Spring and Autumn, but they are merely nonsyntonic ravings.
Bear with it.
"Even a person inflicted with stupidity...the stupidest in the room...does not know any bottom."
-AnAnonymous
OH THE IRONY.
Chinese shitizensim knows nothing but bottoms!
Unemotional and well-documented analysis.
Will re-read often and Look forward to more gems of wisdom.
I stopped reading at the word "meme"
Well, that's a lot farther than I made it.
I just came in to check up on levels of delusion necessary to promote the meme that "our mob is gaining on your mob," all under the guise of liberty. As usual, it's just the typical horse-race handicapping strategy du jour (gang warfare).
Liberty, I guess, is apparently just another benevolent dictator.
The GOP thinks it needs to be more liberl. That will help destroy it. People in the US will be left with the Socialist Democratic party. Like the old USSR party.
When do the democrats start seizing 401 K/IRAs and the homes?
They won't seize homes. If you default, or even if you don't, they will have a lower income family move in with you for "housing equality". Because when you distribute housing fairly, everyone gets ahead.
Whoever still works need to go on strike till the government cut spending to deficit 0 and taxes stay as they are.
lolmao500,
Income/wage taxes are ILLEGAL.
Those should NOT stay as such.
Capital gains are where taxes were and should be enforced.
Burn the loophole ridden IRS doctrine and tax the non-paying corporate Amerika.
As our country was founded, we shall return, or fail into history.
Not much capital gains on 0-1% dividends.
Yes! that's it! We will just tax the people we buy everything from and work for! Great idea. What could possibly go wrong?....except maybe more jobs leaving our shores, ....or maybe higher prices. But hey, Just like Obama said in his 08 campaign while being interviewed by Charlie Gibson. When questioned about his desire to increase capital gains and pinting out that it had negative impacts on GDP and actual tax revenues, Obama said he was good with that. It was anout economic justice! Everything you need to know. Its not about prosperity or poverty, it is about JUSTICE! In his eyes of course, not those who would pay the tax. We can all live in a cardboard box as far as he cares, as long as no evil capitalist lives large....of course the elite, progressive leaders and their immediate enablers would not be judged so harshly.
¿Que?
The election results suggest that people who very much did vote Republican in the past, are not as willing to do so any longer, precisely because of Tea Pot Dome Express "influence".
The Tea Party was co-opted by the very Neocon Repubs that run the GOP. Big swing and a miss for you.
Big swing and a miss for those still chasing after the Americans for (Our Own) Prosperity Bus like they're gonna catch a ride.
Yes, in 2012 - not in 2010 that gave such a swing in Congress seats. His point was that moderate Republicans, or the Republicans of Nixon's time, even Reagan, view the ultra-Christian naviety of the Tea Party as not something that they identify with.
Google: Rise of Christian Fundamentalism Republican Party
Gmad -- How ironic that you made your clueless statement in spanish.
I do believe that democratic vote declined more than republican's did. it really doesn't matter as the election was decided by 1%. It may have not been THE 1% but non the less, a very small percentage. The only thing it proves is that someone won. No mandate here.
Funny, I have a pile of pictures that explain how Romney lost in explicit detail. It had lots to do with being a mealy mouthed hypocrite who is socially more awkward than Richard Nixon ever was. And now all the billionaire ass clowns who joined the big circus are running for cover.
Meanwhile for the rest of us concerned citizens, the situation in Washington continues to hemorrhage as we see today.
Re "when Neo-Con elites began weaseling their way into the club" Dude! The Neo-Con's RUN the club, and have for decades. Look at the stupid military budget!
Dead elephant in the road – too much. GOP, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News constant yelling and hate mongering, ignoring Ron Paul …….. Yeah what ever, people are getting sick of it and now with the Internet you can fact check. Presto! Barack Obama wins it! Joke is on you Republitards.
Even by 'american' standards, this article is subpar.
Probably written under the empire of intoxication from the drugs Americans have so much participated to popularize among human beings.
I am posting my comments using the wifi access at my neighbourhood Peoples Liberation Opium Parlour.
signed: AnAnonymous
I nominate TheFourthStooge-ing as Chief troll Exterminator at ZH for 2012. He and akak keep the place clean of boorish propaganda.
(Even if I came under his whip once...)
GOP is alive and well. They just changed their name to democratic party.
Over the past 30 years the "core" of the Democratic party became Republican and the Republicans became right-wing John Birch society wingnuts...
The "old" left of the Dems became marginalized in the wilderness....
As in most political discussion here at the Hedge, you have it bass-ackwards...
Who in history fits your definition of the old left? Kennedy? Wilson? Marx?
Ted Kennedy was the last of that generation....
Sanders, an independent, is probably the only true leftie in the Senate...
And none of this makes a rats ass difference until the currency collapses and the status quo is out. Until then, bribery money buys and keeps the crooks in power.
Some point. 2016, a republican is elected.
Pretty sure that people like this 'american' author would tell that the republican is a tea partier or something.
'American' economics is all about consumption.
It is the duty of each 'american' to find ways to consume.
Read articles before the election: riots were supposed to happen in case of O being re elected etc
And China is copying U.S. consumption and debt spending.
Brilliant.
That furunculoid explanation very explanational being is.
By traditional Chinese citizenism expostulatory protocols, one saying so makes it so, so it is so with vigourous endeavorings.
Most sense making for cause to arrive at for: insanitation is dominatoring force in eternal nature of Chinese citizenism.
Fucking awesome. :: applauds ::
Engrish T-shirt for AnAnonymous!
http://www.engrish.com/2012/12/if-you%E2%80%99re-happy-and-you-know-it/
ROR!
Laughing .... so .... hard .... can't .... breath .....!!!
There won't be another election. Only a coronation of the Defender of Redistribution, Scourge of the Wealthy, Source of All Free Benefits, Giver of His Law, His Majesty Barack the First.
By the way AnAndrogynous, the riots were supposed to happen if Romney were elected. It pays to be awake.
I think you got issues that could be addressed with therapy and maybe meds...
Or you just aren't any good at viterputive hyperbole...
The smart money is on a bit of both...
Very true and very timely thread, Tyler. Bravo!
Excelant and true.
Both parties leadership don't even remotely respect or reflect party membership, just a bunch of old bilderbergers living in the 1960's
In 'americanism', rulers rule through the consent of the governed.
Both parties leadership in the US reflect their party essential membership.
But 'americans' can get confused and think because they hold a piece of paper showing membership to the rep/dem club, that makes them members of the club.
Yep, quite a confusion. Are 'americans' that scared to fall on the wrong side of 'americanism'?
In Chinese citizenism, rulers drop their stools on the roadside in the same manner as the governed.
Both sides of the road reflect their sharty squalorship.
But Chinese citizenism citizens can get confused and stink because they hold a piece of paper not knowing its purpose is for wiping their smelly bottom.
Yep, quite a confusion.
Chinese citizen need better cleaning material!
http://adult.engrish.com/2011/12/23/suchehwa/
They can start with the U.S. Dollar. Afterwards they can always spend it. Dual functionality.
You are correct, albeit behind the times somewhat.
Chinese citizens now shit into the air and the water everywhere. The shit in the air is so thick that it blocks out the sun.
It is the natural evolution from peasants shitting on the roadside.
Living at the expense of others is morally bankrupt. It violates the Commandments that forbid coveting and theft. Thst we all will be better off is a massive lie.
Plenty of liberals are equally disgusted with the Democratic Party, including Chris Hedges:
"Liberals, by voting for Barack Obama, betrayed the core values they use to define themselves—the rule of law, the safeguarding of civil liberties, the protection of unions, the preservation of social welfare programs, environmental accords, financial regulation, a defiance of unjust war and torture, and the abolition of drone wars. The liberal class clung desperately during the long nightmare of this political campaign to one or two issues, such as protecting a woman’s right to choose and gender equality, to justify its complicity in a monstrous evil. This moral fragmentation—using an isolated act of justice to define one’s self while ignoring the vast corporate assault on the nation and the ecosystem along with the pre-emptive violence of the imperial state—is moral and political capitulation. It fails to confront the evil we have become. "
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/once_again_--_death_of_the_liberal_c...
The Liberal principles fought for in the Enlightenment have been defenestrated...
It is now a sauve qui peut world...
Bullish :
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-israel-threatens-to...
Report: Israel threatens to cancel Hamas truce if Islamic Jihad leaders enter Gaza Two members of the Iranian-backed group had planned to visit Friday, along with the leader-in-exile of Hamas Khaled Meshal.Republicans and Democrats alike participate in fraud and crony capitalism. Look at the real-estate bubble in DC...look at the ever-increasing wages of the federal and state workers. To think that one party is better than another, or that some magical third-party will arise to fix everything, is to fool yourself.
I read somewhere, maybe here, that if you look at the Republican and Democratic parties as 2 rival organized criminal gangs, the reason for the Republicans desperation to bring the Liberty Movement back into the fold becomes obvious. Of course they are not pursuing conservative ideals, but rather the control that gives them a bigger piece of the pie. Like the Democrats, they might throw their constituancy a crumb or 2. The Republicans are viewed as throwing fewer crumbs.
Sorry, repeat.
The GOP lost because they abandoned capitalism, free markets and Liberty for crony capitallist fascism which loves war , torture and the police state. Under Bush and the Republican Congress, we were running up a half trillion dollar deficits during the bubble years before the economy even crashed, and then a trillion dollar deficit in the last year. The Republicans are liars -they are owned by the Banksters (as are the democrats) and their followers are morons -especially the retarded "christian" dispensationalist Armeggeddonist right.
Relax, just leave your Ron Paul signs up until 2016. Turn the "o" into an "a" and add a "d"...
i enjoyed reading it. i agree with much of it. but it's all an "academic" debate at this point. we are through the looking glass people...
The Tea Party as a liberty movement works. Unfortunately, the movement got highjacked by the evangelicals and the focus on religious / social issues. Try Again. Maybe call it something else as that name is now tainted with the likes of Sarah Palin, etc.
The GOP is dying because they are behind the times. Americans now want everything fast, free and RIGHT NOW! Trying to Conserve things like traditional marriage, life in the womb and antiquated drug laws has made them look like old foagies. Telling the population that they cannot have free food, housing, cell phones and health insurance is a downer. The DNC is the cool parent who cannot say no, and are simply much better at buying the vote.
Bottom line on politics is that Republicans or anyone representing fiscal sanity is ABSOLUTELY irrelevant until the system crashes. While not a huge Romney supporter I did believe it was the last chance to attempt fiscal sanity. A majority of the public is on the government gravy train and its Democrats from here on out. Anyone hoping for or expecting fiscal sanity from politics would be better channelling their energies into survival or if they or on the train themselves keep quiet, enjoy the ride and figure out a plan B when their government entitlements (Social security, public pension etc) crash to near zero value.
Throughout history leveraged fiat societies are always faced with the same problem and always arrive at the same solution.
"We overspent and everyone must come together for the common good and take a haircut of 30-40%. Pensions, entitlements, services government employment - everything"
And every time in history the public responds that the common good was awesome on the way up to a bankrupt leveraged fiat society but we're not so much into the common good when it means taking a haircut on what we were promised.
So the entitled classes fight tooth and nail to keep their 100% until zero is left. So instead of everyone taking a fair haircut. Quite a few people get their 100% and the rest get ZERO.
THERE IS ALWAYS SOCIALISM WHEN SOCIETIES HAVE AN OPEN CREDIT CARD ON A LEVERAGED FIAT SYSTEM - THERE IS NEVER SOCIALISM WHEN THE CARD IS REJECTED AND THE TIME COMES TO PAY IT BACK
"While not a huge Romney supporter I did believe it was the last chance to attempt fiscal sanity." with a mutli trillion dollar increase in defense spending and some more nation building abroad?
US is much more fascist, and has been for a few decades now
Take a look at military spending under Obama - it's higher annually than its ever been
Spot on! Just wait until obama grants blanket amnesty and citizenship to 20 million mexicans and future Democrat voters! The GOP is toast and we will long for the days of gridlock. Si se puede!
It will indeed wipe out the GOp -but it will drive millions of indpendents and democrats over to the Liberty movement -there are a lot of dumb Democrats -there is not enough pie to give them all a big piece -Democrat officeholders are torture loving, warmongering , bankster loving, police state worshipping sycophats -just like the GOP. They just talk a good game. Bringing 20 million illegals into the party will drive far more out of the party. But you hadn't thought about that -have you? Wait until all the minorities trying to get a bigger piece of the ever shrinking pie decide they have to take more of the pie from their white liberal allies -dumbasses like you will wise up really quickly.
Personal attacks? Pfft, nexxxt!
Politicians prosper through the creation and invention of fear and disaster. They will steal money from anyone, torture anyone and do anything to offer the illusionary security or revenge. Party is irrelevant. Only losers will offer real solutions to real problems. Afterall, who would want to make a light bulb that never burns out. No job security in that!
What is this "Liberty Movement" of which you speak? What candidates did it run? Which of those candidates were elected to public office?
You can't be talking about the Libertarian Party, because all they did was help re-elect Obama by 1) siphoning off conservative votes into votes for Gary Johnson (a no-hoper from the start) or 2) demotivating conservatives from actually voting for a relatively conservative candidate for president.
The Libertarian Party is a key element of the Democrat Party strategy for victory from now on. Thanks, Losertarians!
Hey Steve--see my post above to that other misguided, ignorant crybaby -as much as I despise liberals and Democrats, it's dumbass fake Republicans who somehow think that crony capitalist Neocons are conservatives -that really piss me off.
It's this kind of squabble and crap that got us another four years of Obama. The Democrats are completely united as they have no qualms about lying and living with 'impurity' of motive as in their world the ends justify the means ... well for us (Liberty Lovers), any deviation from purity of thought is heresy and division results because the hallmark if Liberty is free thought ... we are doomed to be divided and lose because of it.
You lose. Try again.
A choice for the lesser of two evils is still a choice for evil.
Since you chose evil in the last election you will get the evil that you deserve.
Enjoy your evil.
Isn't karma a bitch?
I applaud the Liberty Movement and wish them well. All that is said in the article concerning the LMs relationship with the Republicrat party applies conversely to the relationship between Democricans and true socialists, of which Obama is not one.
I've said many times, a truer two party system would be libertarians versus socialists.
I hope that will come about someday soon.
Fuck the Liberty Movement. They gave us a second term of a pure socialist president in the name of ideological purity. Frankly, I don't give a damn if Ben is scewing Jerry or some nitwit is standing in line for her 9th abortion....because it doesn't directly affect me! What does affect me is the yeast people swarming toward all the government freebies that I'm expected to pay for. I have no problem helping the truly needy but giving one red cent to a baby machine or a loser who thinks work "is for other people" really chills my shit. I work hard....I work smart....and I sacrafice short term gratifications for long term rewards. Maybe I'm a sucker to think the old ways were better but I damn sure don't appreciate some snot nosed fan of the Liberty Movement trying to tell me we didn't need to pull together when there was a hell of a clear choice to make in electing or not electing an enemy of a free economy like Obama. The dumb ass people who wanted to stay "pure" and not vote for Romney are going to be living with the consequences from now on. Congratulations, idiots. You didn't vote for Romney to prove a point; now you want to avoid your share of the blame for what's coming. Stick it, OK?
Pull your head out lady. Romney would have been worse. It's retards like you who keep putting in criminal morons like Bush, McCcain and Romney who are responsible for us having to put up with 16 years of Clinton and Obama. You idiots will probably nominate someone like Michelle Bachmann or Donald Trump in 2016 and then we'll get stuck with Hillary for 8 years.
Bullshit. You're the wuss who didn't have the cajones to elect a guy like Romney (who I wasn't totally in love with either) and then work to make sure he didn't go too far off the reservation. You chose to break weak, not vote against Obama, and then have us at the mercy of a pure socialist who is 100 times worse than Romney ever would have been. I live in the real world forking over huge amounts of money so the parasites can live it up. You? I doubt you pay much tax at all; that means you can afford ideological purity.
Bush and the Republican Congress wracked up half trillion dollar deficits during the bubble years -doubled the Department of Education (No Child left behind) gave us a ruinous Medicaid Prescription Act, boondoggle pork laden Energy and Transportation bills, bankrupted us with stupid, foolish foreign wars, gave us TARP and baillouts, the patriot Act, torture, empowered and revitalized the banksters when we had themn on the ropes - and now you are bitching and blaming the real conservatives because we have Obama? I love it. Because of people like you -we will get Hillary and the GOP will be relegated to the ash heap of history. The sooner the better. The party was hijacked by criminals and has become a pathetic club for retards who have no clue what the hell is going on. We need to get another party.
Are you saying that no democrats voted for all the spending durring the Bush years? Very few if any bills that passed durring Bush were without democratic votes, including the wars. Obama on the other hand has largely single handedly pushed through his spending and government takeover of significant parts of the economy, Much as he is doing right now. Tax increases with virtually no hard specified spending cuts.
Romney would have been worse? I agree that Bush got us Obama in 2008, but in 2012, it was people like you who got us Obama II, with your moronic support of 'anyone but Romney'. And by the way, it will not be 'old' Hillary in 2016, it will be 'young' Michelle Obama who will continue the dynasty that you ushered in by your stupidity in 2012.
Interestingly enough, Moochelle is leading in the polls for Illinois Senator, you may be on to something.
Too bad we missed the chance for Romney and Netanyahu to start WW3 with Russia -the war could have already been over by now. I was actually starting to like the guy and preferred him over the other assclowns (other than Ron Paul) until I saw his Neocon foreign policy team and the frightening rhetoric going back and forth between Putin and Romney -which was not reported at all by the mainstream press. Quit drinking the Koolaid -turn off Fox News, quit listening to hannity and Michael Savage, cancel your subscription to the Weekly Standard. I've been a Republican Avitist for 25 years -I'm really pissed off that a bunch of Neocon Trotskyites took over my party and were able to fool a bunch of dim witted GOP cheerleaders.
Republicans ... Divided we fall.
I am sure you will enjoy the next 12 years under the Democrat Reign ... I would rather drink Koolaid that die of thirst
Yes, we could hardly afford another right wing warmonger like reagan was, getting us into all kinds of wars through his tough talk stances.....oh! that grenada war just about brought the whole country down. The behind the scenes, meddling pacifier Obama will surely save us with his lead from behind strategies! Just look at the peacful world we have only Allah...er Obama, to thank for.
Eloquently said!
Liberty without Livelihood is a vacuous dream and what we will get with this election is a viscous assault on the historical foundation of our society ... hard work, risk taking, capitalism and innovation. Debt, regulation, and taxation will crush us and all you who did not vote for Romney will be scrambling for existence (assuming that you will not take the dole due to your principles) as those who voted for Obama will sit back and watch your scramble on their iPhone 5 or their new 60in TV, while we left hard working, innovating, risk takers work even harder to support both you and the Obama Rabble.
Thanks so much for that Gary Johnson or other 'non-Romney' vote.
As I wrote before and you need to get it...
A choice for the lesser of two evils is still a choice for evil.
Since you chose evil then you will get the evil that you deserve.
It is not about ideology being pure. It is about one's PERSONAL PRINCIPLES, one's PERSONAL CONSCIENCE. When I wake up in the morning and I look into the mirror I do not see your face. I have to live with the reflection that I see. And as I did not violate my PERSONAL CONVICTIONS it is easy to live with that image.
As a matter of fact I do not care how much money that costs me. My personal character is worth a hell of a lot more than money.
But if you can sell yourself out and violate what you know to be right then you can knock yourself out.
You chose evil? The lesser evil IS EVIL. You deserve the evil which is coming to you.
Isn't karma a bitch?
The GOP is dying?
What a shock.
I guess that what happens when you call 47 percent of the American people a bunch of losers.
Seems pretty obvious.
Here's another feather in the cap for Republicans:
Look, its just not that hard to understand. The GOP sucks because its reactive as in it turned into a socialist-lite version of the truly socialist party the democrats. And why is that this way? First, its not because they're all Christian or because of "social" policies...no no no no no, its a lot simpler than that – religion, personal beliefs have nothing to do with it. Basically, how can you compete with another political party who will literally give you free money? How? And as far as "social" policies are concerned, looking at it as some people are outdated or not-hip, etc is so far off base...its, again, how can you compete with another political party that literally promises you the world in the form of privileges. The numbers don't lie. All this gloating from the left is truly pathetic, they "won" because 47% of the total population in amerika is on some form of direct outlay from the state...47%!! So, lets break that down. If I gave any of you $100 bucks a week, month...if I gave you $10 a week...and you were given a choice to keep that going or not, what would you do??? What would you do? I don't care who you are the answer is easy, but, that's nothing to be ashamed about. It is the explanation as to why barry got re-elected and why the GOP is screwed. In the end its not because barry and his ilk are better or because the left has finally triumphed or because people are "more evolved". Its far worse, they won because given a choice any person will choose the path of least resistance. Similarly with "social" issues its a lot easier to reduce down to the lowest common denominator. The GOP failed because it tried to play the same game as the demorats, which is entirely incompatible with its former self. In the end their demise was inevitable; simply, the GOP was not able to keep up with giving away enough free money or enough privileges to certain special interests. The demorats always had a bigger carrot, whether that be more welfare or special rights, pardon, privileges just for homosexuals and women (ahem females 51% of the vote). The challenge would have been the GOP going the hard route to educate the population in the virtues of a free economy and both the good and bad realities of a self-determining people. Yes something was lost here but, importantly, nothing was really won. You can't keep taking from Peter to give to Pauline or Piper the Peeter-puffer. And whether its money or privileges, we all know better here at ZH, costs are attached to everything. What was America; it was just the opportunity to pursue life, liberty and happiness...that's it. Sadly, forget the outcome of that simple yet foreboding offer, no matter how noble, productive or right it was, people are inherently flawed e.g. it can never be as appealing as an offer of guaranteed to life, liberty and happiness. There is a bright side here, of all the places Pravda said it best, barry is doing everything that made the ussr fail. And we know what’s coming here. Massive systemic failure tends to be the only thing that derails this parasitic ideology and the leading edge of this process is already with us. Sure "they" are promising life, liberty and happiness..but by many accounts we're all waking up to a world where despite this guarantee we're all living increasing desperate and miserable lives, our culture champions death and our liberties continue to be eroded...the net of all this, as evident of the fact that right now the #1 health issue in the US is mental health, we're all depressed as oppose to happy. The mind war will be won when the economy fails and when people just want to be left alone...that is the death knell for progressive economics and social ideology.
So how come the best the "truly socialist" party could come up with for health care was a crony capitalistic mess called Obamacare, which looks a lot like Romneycare and was originally proposed by conservative Heritage foundation? Why do you knee jerks insist on looking at the world with your blinders on?
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/healthcare/report/2012/07/3...
And if we had a functioning social safety net instead of the McJobs reality of Welfare Reform, where working people still can't make a living wage, and where college degrees don't pay, people wouldn't be forced to vote for survival and could instead vote against things like loss of liberty from NDAA...oh, wait, there was no way to vote against that unless you chose to throw your vote away.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_real_health_care_debate_20120409/
I'm sorry did you actually say that Im rambling here? And what do you call that inconsistent gibberish you wrote above? obamacare and romneycare and even the Heritage foundation, so what...you realize you're only supporting my case that the establishment GOP and Democrats might as well be socialist-lite to socialist heavy. I don't want any socialized healthcare, period, and I'm not alone hence why the GOP has failed, again as you pointed out the 2012 GOP front man was responsible for romneycare. If we didn't have an entitlement focused society that creates economic inefficiencies and invites corruption than we wouldn't just have mcjobs. The solution is simple, get the government out of everything...you mentioned college degrees, great example, here is how it is - the gov came in and said everyone must go and here is a loan. Presto - tuition costs are soaring and, worse, both the quality of education is diminished and the ability to use that degree effectively, as in get a good job, is too. The GOP is dead because it tried to compete with the demorats in their game, which is as an ambulance-chaser/appease every conceivable demographic out there with money and privilege. I want a small government that does just the minimums like keep the water clean, the streets lit, a strong defense and keeps the peace. I'm for a society that gives no one a leg up, no privilege, no help...its you against the world. Don't like that, well, maybe you're scared.
You write that you want to "get Government out of everything." Then you write that you want a "strong Government" which regulates the water, keeps the streets lit, has a strong defense, and keeps the peace.
That is so contradictory.
For instance for what reason do you want a "strong defense"?
Water will be as clean, if not cleaner, if one is willing to pay for it.
For what reason would you want the streets lit?
As for keeping the peace can't you defend yourself?
Are you the one who is scared of freedom from the shackles of Government?
Are you frightened by a truly free market?
I want Liberty.
You are confused about socialism. Here is one guy's experience with real socialism, Obama the Socialist? Not Even Close:
Here's a snip from the first comment on the story, by Bill Appledorf from San Francisco, who is emigrating to "socialist" Canada:
"Canada is a civilized society: people who work are paid a decent wage, not overworked and ripped off like American workers; taxes are high, but everyone has access to decent health care, kids receive an excellent public education, and essential services are provided by a government that is responsive to the will of the population, not privatized like everything, including law enforcement, is in the USA, where garbage-quality rip-off "services" are provided for the benefit of a few multibillionaires at everyone else's expense.
Oh yes, and Canada does not spend more money than the rest of the world combined on its military and invade -- and destroy -- countries like Iraq on trumped-up pretenses to enrich a handful of multibillionaires at the expense of the deaths of hundreds of thousands of human beings."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/11/opinion/obama-the-socialist-not-even-c...
Interestingly, the younger generation, 18-29 year olds, are warming up to "socialism" according to Pew, despite the kind of bootstrap homilies that get thrown around by "conservatives" who are lucky to have boots.
Because it was the best they could get through bribery and not a single republican vote.
Look, its just not that hard to understand. The GOP sucks because its reactive as in it turned into a socialist-lite version of the truly socialist party the democrats. And why is that this way? First, its not because they're all Christian or because of "social" policies...no no no no no, its a lot simpler than that – religion, personal beliefs have nothing to do with it. Basically, how can you compete with another political party who will literally give you free money? How? And as far as "social" policies are concerned, looking at it as some people are outdated or not-hip, etc is so far off base...its, again, how can you compete with another political party that literally promises you the world in the form of privileges. The numbers don't lie. All this gloating from the left is truly pathetic, they "won" because 47% of the total population in amerika is on some form of direct outlay from the state...47%!! So, lets break that down. If I gave any of you $100 bucks a week, month...if I gave you $10 a week...and you were given a choice to keep that going or not, what would you do??? What would you do? I don't care who you are the answer is easy, but, that's nothing to be ashamed about. It is the explanation as to why barry got re-elected and why the GOP is screwed. In the end its not because barry and his ilk are better or because the left has finally triumphed or because people are "more evolved". Its far worse, they won because given a choice any person will choose the path of least resistance. Similarly with "social" issues its a lot easier to reduce down to the lowest common denominator. The GOP failed because it tried to play the same game as the demorats, which is entirely incompatible with its former self. In the end their demise was inevitable; simply, the GOP was not able to keep up with giving away enough free money or enough privileges to certain special interests. The demorats always had a bigger carrot, whether that be more welfare or special rights, pardon, privileges just for homosexuals and women (ahem females 51% of the vote). The challenge would have been the GOP going the hard route to educate the population in the virtues of a free economy and both the good and bad realities of a self-determining people. Yes something was lost here but, importantly, nothing was really won. You can't keep taking from Peter to give to Pauline or Piper the Peeter-puffer. And whether its money or privileges, we all know better here at ZH, costs are attached to everything. What was America; it was just the opportunity to pursue life, liberty and happiness...that's it. Sadly, forget the outcome of that simple yet foreboding offer, no matter how noble, productive or right it was, people are inherently flawed e.g. it can never be as appealing as an offer of guaranteed to life, liberty and happiness. There is a bright side here, of all the places Pravda said it best, barry is doing everything that made the ussr fail. And we know what’s coming here. Massive systemic failure tends to be the only thing that derails this parasitic ideology and the leading edge of this process is already with us. Sure "they" are promising life, liberty and happiness..but by many accounts we're all waking up to a world where despite this guarantee we're all living increasing desperate and miserable lives, our culture champions death and our liberties continue to be eroded...the net of all this, as evident of the fact that right now the #1 health issue in the US is mental health, we're all depressed as oppose to happy. The mind war will be won when the economy fails and when people just want to be left alone...that is the death knell for progressive economics and social ideology.
Who the hell has time to read this ridiculously long and sadly misinformed post twice? Maybe you should learn to be a little more concise instead of rambling on about this, that and everything else. Who has the time to reply to all this shit?
Who has time to read this, um, obviously you do.
I only had to skim it to get the gist of the brain dead sound bite speel;
free money
47%
demorats (related to rethuglicans)
more welfare
privileges just for homosexuals and women
free economy
parasitic ideology
Then there is the concluding sentence:
"The mind war will be won when the economy fails and when people just want to be left alone...that is the death knell for progressive economics and social ideology."
So, people will just want to be "left alone" when the economy fails? In what alternate universe?