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The US Is Not Egypt But Is Obama About To Go 'Morsillini'

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UPDATE: Senate Republicans block vote on President Obama's debt-limit plan

The Pharaoh-like power-grab of omnipotence that Egypt's Morsi recently pulled seems to have set a precedent among newly 'elected' leaders. This morning, as per Bloomberg, we hear that Obama (and his viceroy Harry Reid) plan to demolish the idea of congressional checks on the debt limit. Incredibly ironic timing - given our previous post (in which Rick Santelli explains why this is a potential disaster), but placing that much unlimited money power in the hands of one man seems like a mistake:

  • *OBAMA PLAN CALLS FOR END OF LAWMAKER APPROVAL OF DEBT LIMIT
  • *REID SAYS SENATE MAY VOTE ON OBAMA DEBT-LIMIT PLAN TODAY

 

Perhaps - though obviously politically biased, Mitch McConnell is on to something (as per National Review):

“By demanding the power to raise the debt limit whenever he wants by as much as he wants, he [Obama] showed what he’s really after is assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars without any limit,” McConnell said.

 

“Look: the only way we ever cut spending around here is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it,” he added. “Now the President wants to remove that spur to cut altogether.”

 

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Thu, 12/06/2012 - 14:57 | 3039955 steve from virginia
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The propositions are idiotic on all sides.

 

"McConnell's response: “Look: the only way we ever cut spending around here is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it,"

 

Nobody in the Federal government has ever cut spending, ever. A cut in spending is impossible. The only way the private sector can gain surpluses is because the public sector runs perpetual deficits. No enterprise in the private sector can run perpetual deficits without going out of business, only the government can run these deficits.

 

This isn't politics, it's bookkeeping! The government runs $1.4 trillion deficits which service the private sector's $40+ trillions in debts!

 

The private sector cannot retire its own debt otherwise it would be doing so! The private sector has never been able to retire its debts and has depended upon non-stop finance- government forebearance and subsidies: the shifting of debt burdens away from the private sector enterprises onto the enterprises' customers. 

 

By way of taxes, the customers pay for products they don't buy. By way of debt and taxes customers pay businesses' costs. Government is the implement of big business, industrial cartels and tycoons.

 

The US runs current account deficits because it must import 11 million barrels of crude oil every single day to run its massive automobile fleet of 275 million+ vehicles ... as well as the stupendous industries that support these vehicles. The public sector runs a deficit, the current account is in deficit, the US dollar is the world's reserve currency at a net-loss to the citizens ... meanwhile, the country is bankrupt because of the cost of imported capital that has been- and is destroyed for zero-gain!

 

America cannot pay its bills, there is nothing to 'pay' with. (unless the world shows a greater appreciation of NFL football).

 

It does not matter whether there is a debt ceiling or not, the debts are permanent. Comes a time comes when the burden of debt becomes too great to bear. What cannot be repaid will not be repaid either by borrowers or lenders. We are nearing the point because additional borrowing has little- or no productive effect: there is the increase in the debt burden without an associated increase in the output of real goods or services.

 

When we stop borrowing we don't get our 11 million barrels per day and America dies.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 01:55 | 3041781 Joseph Jones
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Steve,

Now that is darn depressing!

Is there any version of this song in a major key rather than this minor key funeral procession? 

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 14:52 | 3039958 muppet_master
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= NO @ all costs !!

the GOP must say NO to the QEorganizer's-rapist-zimbabwean-UNLIMITED-DEBT-BOMB increases

or the GOP can then claim "hindsight is 20-20" when US goes Greece...When US looses reserve currency status, when US is undergoing HYPERINFLATION and FAMINES !!!

Rich or poor - all will suffer..even if you have food, it won't be safe to go outside...you won't be able to tell others you have food...OR ELSE !!

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 14:53 | 3039961 JustPrintMoreDuh
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Time to kick this debt orgy into high gear!

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 14:55 | 3039965 GeorgeHayduke
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These are all feeble attempts to maintain a gravy train that has run out of steam. The players will sacrifice everything and everyone (except them and theirs) to keep the train moving. Time for those folks with any visionary ability whatsoever to jump off the train as soon as possible.

The Cliff isn't ahead, we flew off it some time ago and we just haven't looked down yet. Velocity speed free fall lies ahead, but the Boyzzz can still do a lot of damage on the way down. Good luck in negotiating the traps they lay for us.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 14:55 | 3039967 redd_green
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Pharao like grab... blahh, please.   Obama is just the next in the long list of puppets.   What the hell use is a debt limit if it is raised EVERY SINGLE time the limit is close to being hit?    

 

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 14:58 | 3039979 eaglerock
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Here's the thing.  This guy is a community organizer, and a politician, not the most financially savvy.  His problem is listening to so called brilliant experts like Bernanke, Krugman and Geitner who have a hell of a lot more awards and degrees than common sense.  They are pissing on his back and he's thinks it's raining.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:04 | 3040008 Mad Mohel
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Fuck it! Why go slow? Floor the bitch and get some air off the cliff. Hitting the bottom will hurt either way.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:26 | 3040104 jay28elle
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Yeah, I say if we are going to hit bottom let's get at it.  Freeze (or lower) the debt ceiling and force a default (and revolution, but hey, I detract). I'm freaking 52 years old and wanna see some real action before I'm too senile to appreciate it.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:06 | 3040016 Chaos_Theory
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Octavian may be a more reflective reality.  Soon, he will be Ceasar Augustus.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:09 | 3040028 pragmatic hobo
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US is definitely not Egypt. After all the US is predominantly ruled by right-wing Christian fanatics where as Egypt is composed of multiple religions each vying for power. But, really ... all Morsi wanted to do was to suspend the supreme court, put in place by Mubarak, until constitution was finalized. To be fair Morsi could have used better public relation but the ensuing violence seem out of order.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:21 | 3040080 jay28elle
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"...Eqypt is composed of multiple religions each vying for power", against a staunch Brotherhood that is gaining clout, control and power by the moment, and with the simple swipe of Morsi's pen all these 'multiple religions each vying for power' have effectively been neutered.  The Muslim Brotherhood is not known for their leniency and tolerance of other religions...


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 01:12 | 3041741 Joseph Jones
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Unlike Judaism's holiest book the Talmud, which states: "Even the best of the gentiles deserve only death."

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:23 | 3040093 jay28elle
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"...To be fair Morsi could have used better public relation but the ensuing violence seem out of order."

Like Obama insisting people didn't like Obamacare because he failed to market it properly?

 

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 16:28 | 3040353 WTFx10
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"After all the US is predominantly ruled by right-wing Christian fanatics " Yes with Jewish last names.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:20 | 3040053 Klazy Plick
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This is not your grandfather's Bolshevik Revolution!

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:15 | 3040058 Gimleteye
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Crash the system, now. Bring on the reset, clear the debris and rebuild, from two nations will come one

 

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 16:26 | 3040340 WTFx10
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Only if the owners are no more, they crashed it in 29 and their spawn still rule. It isn't the puppet government that must be fought for change, when the revolution starts here i hope they know what the real enemy is that needs to be eliminated.

"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks."

John Dalberg Lord Acton

 

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:22 | 3040084 azengrcat
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But the Bernank is running out of Treasuries to buy!  Must print MOAR!!!

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:29 | 3040117 youngman
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I feel right now like a German must have felt in 1939.....something is wrong....you can just feel it

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:30 | 3040118 BraveSirRobin
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Isn't McConnell the idiot who came up with the idea to give this power to the president?

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:32 | 3040129 jay28elle
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Yep, with the assumption that the Senate was not going to be retained by the Dems.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:31 | 3040124 jay28elle
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The most extravagant vacations 

The most glorious weekly parties

The best and most expensive schools for his kids

so what's any different, he's already use to limitless spending? 

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:32 | 3040131 Sweet Chicken
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She's starting to Shimmy 

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:47 | 3040178 Hayabusa
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Look, nothing in politics happens by accident.  Keeping that in mind it's not difficult to extrapolate to the logical outcome.  Some of you have this figured out, the rest need an IQ upgrade.

 

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way."

U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt

"How fortunate for Leaders' that men do not think."

Adolf Hitler

""It was a carefully contrived occurrence. International bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair, so that they might emerge the rulers of us all.""

Louis McFadden on 1929 Stock Market Crash. Louis McFadden died of poisoning shortly thereafter.

 

"We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world. All the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands."

Professor Arnold Toynbee, in a June 1931 speech before the Institute for the Study of International Affairs in Copenhagen.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:56 | 3040197 GMadScientist
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Senator McTurtle is obviously attached to the broken status quo, but I'd hate to lose my regularly scheduled moment to grandstand too, if my fleecing of plebes depended on that Kabuki.

Fuck you, Mitch; go suck some tiny yellow dicks.

"unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars without any limit"

Yeah, except for that whole origin in the House, voted on by both houses deal, maybe; people accept this kind of bald-ass prevarication as worthy of print?

Fucking simps.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 16:53 | 3040465 Ned Zeppelin
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Debt ceiling must remain within the purview of Congress and Congress alone - constitutional issues lurk here, although one can certainly point out that Congress has the power to stop spending at any moment. 

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 17:12 | 3040524 JLee2027
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Yes. No need for Congress if spending control moves to the Oval Office. Long Live Obama the First.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 17:34 | 3040587 SmoothCoolSmoke
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St. Ronald Reagan raised the debt limit 18 (18!) times.  I do not recall hearing any bitching from the right back then.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 04:05 | 3041873 Lord Of Finance
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Oh yeah. My republican friends want to canonize Ronald because he managed to get some things right when it comes to economic policy.

 

   To paraphrase the words of a truly wise American some 60 years ago on wether certain people were trying to internally sabotage their own country: 

                       'If these people are just merely stupid, then the law of averages will dictate that at least some of their policy decisions

                        will serve the interests of their country.'

  That wise summation should clarify what the intentions of this current administration are up to though.

 

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Thu, 12/06/2012 - 17:54 | 3040646 dscott8186
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Hahaha.  Deficit spending means nothing because the Federal Reserve is buying the debt with wired ones and zeros.  

Zen Question:  If we buy the debt with imaginary money, does anyone owe it?

 

Obama's Transformational Change is about to manifest itself.  The Fed is buying 90% of the Treasuries.  Pretty soon there will be no need to tax anyone as the Fed will loan the Treasury all the money it needs to fund government obligations. Obama is a genius, every foreigner who doesn't wish to hold US dollars should redeem them by buying US goods.  LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!

/sarcasm/

 

Muhuhaaahaa  You will all be slaves because you work for nothing. 

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