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Guest Post: Preppers Who Make Surviving The Apocalypse Even Less Fun
Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market
Preppers Who Make Surviving The Apocalypse Even Less Fun
Being forced to endure and survive a catastrophic macro event like a monetary or social collapse is perhaps one of the worst experiences I could imagine. Such a crisis leads to just about every crime and inhuman action in existence, and, the time required for a culture to right itself and rebuild is severely protracted. A hurricane or earthquake or tidal wave; these calamities are short lived and easy in comparison. The point is, as survivalists who are preparing to make an economic end-game scenario as “comfortable” to live through as we can, it is incumbent upon us to consider the kind of company we keep during the gambit. Some allies will make that mad world bearable; others will bring the madness to your doorstep.
Many preppers are aware of the dangers inherent in our progressively deteriorating nation. Unfortunately, some of them are completely unaware of the dangers inherent within themselves. Building a solid community of people to rely on during a collapse is absolutely essential, and the larger the group of liberty minded neighbors the better. But, if certain ground rules are not established from the very beginning, a rainbow of personal issues and character flaws could very well destroy years of effort. Care must be taken by all parties involved to ensure that internal conflicts remain at a minimum, and when they do arise, that each person is wise enough to resolve issues in an adult manner.
I hate to say it, but you will inevitably run into some folks that are beyond compromise and beyond hope. Working with them is like pulling teeth…shark’s teeth…from your jugular. Here are just a handful of powder keg personalities that will make the apocalypse more than a living hell for you and your friends if they manage to latch onto or take leadership in your survival watch…
1) The Self Assumed “Leader”
The “Assumed Leader” is not actually a reliable or practical leader; he just thinks he is, and reminds everyone loudly whenever he can find occasion. He does not generally do this by screaming “I AM YOUR LEADER!” Instead, he attempts to micro-manage every aspect of the survival group and shows early signs of control issues. The Assumed Leader will first make forceful suggestions to test the waters, scoffing angrily whenever people do not strictly follow his advice. If he gains traction, his suggestions turn into orders, and he begins to act as though he is somehow in a superior position to the rest of the community.
He seems to have an answer to every question or concern, which would be nice if he actually knew what he as talking about half of the time. Usually, this is not the case. He may have expertise in a certain field, like farming, or building, or engineering, or even defense, and this is indeed valuable. However, his mastery of one area of knowledge has inflated his ego to massive proportions and he now pretends as if he is some kind of hyper-educated elitist potentate. When approached with alternative options and methods, he will respond with ridicule as if you have no clue what you are talking about. When his ideas are criticized, he will react with fury, and try to remove dissenters from the community entirely.
The best way to avoid these people is to discover them early in your prepping project, and to make certain that NO ONE becomes a De facto dictator. Every person with particular expertise within the community should be given respect in that specific field, but not given authority over all decisions. The experienced farmer should offer leadership when it comes to farming, but step aside when it comes to defense and defenders, and vice versa. It is best to keep in mind that the most effective leaders always ask those around them for aid and advice before coming to any conclusion. The worst leaders already assume they know everything.
2) The Feudal Lord
The Feudal Lord is an Assumed Leader who has managed to lure other preppers into a Commune, rather than a Community, and there is a considerable difference. He is often a well-off survivalist who has suddenly realized that for all his money and land and supplies, he is basically defenseless, and needs an organized group to protect his bounty. He entices other preppers into the fold with ideas that he is building a legitimate and fair community, and with land already available, many take interest. The problem is, the Feudal Lord believes possession of the land that the group is defending automatically makes him Grand Poobah, and that those people are not equals, but servants and serfs.
I have found that Feudal Lords also have a tendency to charge people "fees" for the right to join their communes. They will argue that this is designed to "vet" candidates and see if they are truly "serious" about survival prepping. In the dark corner of their minds, however, they actually believe that they are OWED a tithe from anyone who wishes to earn the "privilege" of becoming a permanent installment on their property. From the very beginning they go into the project with almost no sincere regard for the people they are working with.
The reality is, the Feudal Lord’s land and supplies are utterly meaningless without security and without aid. His survival riches can be taken in an instant by a mere handful of looters, or even one experienced raider. Without other people, treated as equals in survival and ready to lay down their lives to protect each other and him, he has nothing, and is foolhardy to think otherwise.
This is not to say that all landowners who try to centralize a group on their property are seeking to become mini-kings of a mini-kingdom. If rules and agreements are made early on, and everyone understands their role, then such an arrangement could work. But, if the landowner purposely avoids set agreements, appoints roles to people without asking them, changes the plan regularly to suit himself, and tries to leech money out of participants, then it’s time to walk away now before it is too late. Eventually he WILL use his position as landowner as a means to dominate, and will threaten to cast people out who disagree with his methods.
The best way to avoid these characters and the commune situation altogether is to not centralize on a single piece of land, but to organize in a neighborhood fashion, where everyone maintains sovereign control of what they do and all aid is voluntary.
3) The Moral Relativist
There is, sadly, a small subsection of survivalists out there who do not plan to live off their own preps; they plan to confiscate the preps of others by force and solve every problem at the barrel of a gun. In their mind, a crisis situation calls for the abandonment of conscience and the application of a “survival of the fittest” mentality. They believe that morals are all well and good when civilized society remains, but a source of weakness during catastrophe. Their philosophy is: Only the strongest of men will be able to set aside principle and “do what needs to be done”. That is to say, they believe you must become the monster to defeat the monster.
In fact, only men who are able to hold onto their principles during the worst moments are strong. Weak men run away from conscience, using the excuse that times are “different and difficult”. They are not survivalists, they are terrorists in every sense, and they will only hurt our ultimate goal of rebuilding a free, prosperous, and individualistic society.
These people should be avoided like the plague. They will make enemies wherever they go, ask you to do highly questionable things, and push your community into annihilation. Eventually, somebody is going to put them out of their misery, and it’s best to not be around when that happens.
4) The Obsessive
The Obsessive is a person whose drive is initially impressive but also ultimately destructive. His entire life revolves around survival prepping and impending doom. Certainly, it is better to be extra concerned about the economic crisis on the horizon than to be utterly oblivious. A smart man over-prepares. But, there is such a thing as overkill, even in the world of survivalism.
No one can ever do enough fast enough in this person’s eyes. He will whine constantly about how he is the only one taking preparations seriously, and how everyone else is a lazy bum. He will become frantic on a daily basis, admonishing the group or community on their lack of urgency. In a leadership position, this person is a nightmare, creating constant waves of tension and panic, instead of calmly offering solutions or constructive criticism.
Obsessives are generally unimaginative people with little talent or intelligence who use their prepping lifestyle as their only means to feel superior to others. They tend to become legends in their own minds, dreaming of the day when everyone will desperately cling to them and their remedial survival know-how. They fantasize about all the people who "wouldn't take their advice" (usually smug advice), crawling in squalor begging them for help one day.
The Obsessive’s motto is: “Let me tell you why you are wrong and how you are lazy!” Instead of: “How can I help you fix this?”
We all need a break once in a while from the horrors we know are waiting for us. To step back and enjoy what we can of a beautiful day or good friends is not the same as being a freeloader or a backslider within your prepper group. Survival is about more than sustaining the body. It is about more than chopping wood, stockpiling ammo, and slaving over a piece of land from sun up until sundown like a mindless drone just to get by; it is also about sustaining the heart and the mind. Otherwise, what is the point of living?
5) The Ulterior Motive Drama Queen
The Drama Queen is a man or woman who is loosely interested in survivalism, but wants to join your community for other reasons, and these reasons may cause many members dismay. The opposite of The Obsessive, you’ll notice a strange non-involvement on their part or lack of interest as far as participating in survival discussions and decision making. They will often hand over all their survival preparation plans to another person or persons, while hovering like a gnat around the community searching for that special something.
They may be looking for friends and social recognition. They may be afraid of collapse and simply trying to lock into ANY group regardless of whether they fit, becoming disenchanted later. They may enjoy the excitement of feeling like they are involved, and are living vicariously through the accomplishments of others. They may just be looking for a date. Ultimately, their primary objective is not to build a working community, but to get something out of the community beyond safety.
If they do not get what they want, they raise hell, using whatever excuse happens to be handy without ever admitting their real motivations. They will deliberately start unnecessary drama, attempt to create divisions, focus on one person as the cause of all their troubles, or blame the whole group for the heartache in their life. They will attempt to draw everyone into their personal soap opera in the hopes of becoming the focal point, sharing strange and extremely private issues with anyone who accidentally offers to listen.
Eventually, they will be seen for what they are and will lose the ear of the other preppers, who obviously have better things to worry about, but not after wreaking some havoc in the process.
6) The Zealot
The Zealot has a perfect picture in his mind of how his survival community is going to look. Absolutely perfect. The problem is, all people are imperfect and all have different conceptions of life, and this disturbs and disrupts the Zealot’s fantasy. It is one thing to be careful in whom you associate with when assembling a prepper organization, but it is entirely another to hold everyone to insane standards that even you cannot meet.
The Zealot usually wants to be in charge so that he can vet and control each member of the group, but this is not always the case. Zealots are also sometimes highly anti-social, showing interest in a group for a short time and then suddenly walking away as if no one is up to par. He may base his zealotry on a misplaced religious fervor or philosophical inflexibility, but he will not be happy until everyone sees the world the way he does, or until they meet his grandiose brand of moral flawlessness. For him, it is not enough that the community around him shares a love for liberty and a disdain for tyranny, they must also be “spiritually pure” in his eyes.
One mistake or disagreement by a member of the group earns them a black mark on the Zealot’s list which he never forgets. From then on, that member is the enemy, and the Zealot will engineer conflict after conflict until the person gives up and goes away, or until he can convince the group that person is more trouble than they are worth.
The great dilemma for any survivalist is to balance personal freedom and a peaceful home life with the reality that they will not last long without relying on a group. Other people bring talent, friendship, and safety to our lives, but they also bring baggage. The key is to work with those who know how to manage as much of their own baggage as possible, who are aware of themselves and are willing to police their own quirks, and who have not swan dived off a cliff into extreme disturbia. No survival community can withstand the savage assault of national collapse otherwise.
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Rat...a tat..tat...tat....
I do but hope I never have to use it
"I don’t have enough ammo"
You may have the proper amount of ammo, just way too many neighbors.
Hahahahahaha. Great one!
That is so, so true. I have a fair quantity of ammo, except it isn't conventional ammo. But my main protection is having invisible digs, and living in the extreme boonies of a far away country. And when I say boonies, I mean not a single human being for 20km, and not 100 humans withing 120km. I don't expect to need any ammo, at least not against human beings.
I am always so amazed at how strongly humans resist moving to the boonies. My only conclusion is... I am a real outlier, a natural born individualist or something, because I just love living in the extreme boonies, and not seeing a single human being for months at a time. I suppose some others might be individualist-enough or loner-enough, but have not saved enough to move away from la-la-land and erect self-sufficient digs. I guess in the super-debt bubble world of the past 10 years, that's not so surprising. While everyone else went into deep debt, I lived very frugal and saved 100% in gold, which worked out pretty well for me. Of course, virtually all that savings ended up being converted into my self-sufficient digs, because it is not cheap to establish such (though only about $350K, which is not much more than an average home in some locales).
BTW, for years I tried to find like-minded people to collaborate on self-sufficient digs. Never happened. Now and then I'd find someone who seemed to agree with the plan, but they had no savings (and were usually deep in debt). And now and then I'd find someone who had a reasonable amount of savings, but they could never convince themselves to "pull the trigger" and do something "strange" (even if highly prudent). So it ended up just being me. Sometimes I wonder how many people went "all in" the way I have. I guess most of them probably don't talk about it. Or they don't have satellite internet like me, and are therefore totally unknown.
No matter. But I love your response, it is soooooo "right on". People need to move to the most extreme version of boonies they can manage or tolerate. That should be the most important item on any SHTF check list.
I'm going to be "the sneaky loner", who pretends to be hungry and scared, but in reality is sitting on a massive well hidden supply of food and silver.
Just let me know when I should start stocking up.
20 years ago?
You Don't Fuck With Queen #QE3
http://chartistfriendfrompittsburgh.blogspot.com/2012/12/you-dont-fuck-w...
The Earth is ending. pack your belongings quickly/ Textiles and family/ Stay Warm Bitchez/
Gold-xau killed people. Precious metals held down horses/
I'm creating a scenario for you Bitchez
Dem be drinking words YC !!!
hulk, the 200 hour average on eur/usd says sell the rally. I'm 1/2 way around planet earth. You and I are 1 day plus 12 hours at best/
I should ask you the same question? The simple fact/ I don't like you! I trust you though<
Haven't started yet YC, but soon. Man, I thought you loved me! My weekend is so totally blown!!!
I love ya brother. Hulk we have talked at length about how hard it is to garden. Every fucking parasite wants to destroy your crop before it get's ripe! We know what it takes to be a gardener/
I wish you felt better :-) I'm sorry for messing with ya/
http://www.airliners.net/# every little Hulkster likes airplanes and snowflakes/
I lived at 314 East Capitol Street in Washington D.C. in 1968; during the riots. I went out and walked around at the begining but later retreated back home. A few months later I was in Vietnam. You all NEVER want to witness the absolute power of a mob. They do burn out but the destruction is unbelievable. Distance from mass people is crucial. Prep accordingly.
Brgds;
Rene
I was on rooftop on 19th steet, above Dupont, the horizon was red with flames
That's a block and a 1/2 from the Supreme Court and ~2 blocks from the Capital. You must have walked at least a few blocks to see any action.
Try being in the basement electric room (one way out) of section 8 housing in SE trying to get the electricity back on for a mob on a hot summer night during the crack epidemic of the 80's.
My poor Jehovah Witness helper was sure we were gonna die when I started yelling back, but the mob quickly realized if I left, they were "powerless" so to speak.
You sure you didn't do an electrical arc magic trick with the resultant "dat mofo crazy, back da fuck off!" effect? ;-)
LOL!
Tesla fireballs sent towards the homies. The dude has brass balls to be out there doing electrical work in Section 8 hell.
Claymore, that's really the only thing to stop the power of the mob.
Distance from the mob, corporatists and political , media, Hollywood fan boys...the liars.
Trained paratrooper Jimi Hendriix was the sound track for all that, and died by drugs in his despondency. He despised politics, and remembered his compatriots.
No surrender now.
Keep the political mob at bay, and all their cowardly two-faced 'someone save me' bullshit.
Jimi? He was killed by manager. The manager was supposedly ex-intel. He was ripping Jimi off and Jimi was in court to fire him. The manager had a 2 million pound life insurance policy on him. In today's dollars that is about $10 million. Jimi was scammed by everyone but he was high most of the time.
"Crowds and Power" by Elias Canetti. It's a classic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowds_and_Power
If/when it gets to that I'm pretty much doomed to be alone through it.. Although i experience these types daily as it is..
the condom
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none of the above
Lord Humungus ask you not to read this article and "just walk away".
He gave us his word!
I plan on being the plucky side kick. They can survive anything and nothing ever happens to them.
Court Jester position being sought here ... everyone needs comic relief sooner or later ...
Take care of Fonz Dr. Engali
I'm already pumping some funds. Where in the heck is FEMA? no phone numbers? No action?
No FEMA? It must be those Montana Corals?
i plan to be an anonymous henchmen, they always seem to....uh....wait a second....
Just settle for 'henchman'; everyone needs a 'henchman' for various nefarious purposes ...
I'll be the badass redneck who is really a nice guy but his brother is an asshole that lives in an evil neighboring survival group. Me and my brother have unresolved family issues, which means I am sure to survive until that particular thread of the drama is resolved. Which is a good thing to know since the next episode isn't until February.
Seriously though, I definitely want to be "the guy with the crossbow".
"Silent but deadly"
Winner.
Nothing but the sound of a silent 'release' and stinging 'insertion' on impact ....
Has the motorcycle too...the only fuel efficient vehicle they own. Too bad they couldn't have taken the horses with them :-(
Well hello Darryl. be sure to shoot your brother.
I wish I were THAT organized to start preppin'. Gewd job, guys!
My parents lived thru ww2 in Central Europe near East Prussia. If you helped your neighbors with a certain religion you got shot on the spot. No one talks about that at all. Only asking why no one helped. Nazi / soviets fronts went thru a couple of times. Survivalist bloggers know nothing how to survive in times like that. I learned a lot from my mother. No, I don’t have a free report that you can read.
Behind what you say explains what happens when societies collapse. One or more wannabe control-freak-thug-type-bullies take control and attempt to impose their will or their new model onto everybody else. If they have persuasive charisma, God help the rest of us.
As a Brit, we are already seeing this phenomena emerging in Europe whereby the wannabe-fascist, one Mr Tony 'Teflon' Blair is jockeying to become the President of the European Union (aka United States of Europe). He will promise to lead Europe to utopia. In reality he hasn't got a clue about anything, but he certainly has the charismatic blather to fool many people, especially MSM.
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I was hoping for some more practical dtail on these problematictypes of people.
You know ,best seasoning, cook times per lb.....
Thank You for all your up-votes Winston Churchill
Yes, do those pop-out timing thingies work on long pig?
"To Serve Man"
... it's more than just a cook book ...
I like the two group theory - Slaves and Pets
I was kind of hoping for an article on "fluffers who make the world more bearable" myself.
Agreed. Make sure you have some fluffers arranged to go bush with you when the time comes. Try to find ones that can cook too.
7.) MacAfee
Winner - "Anti-virus my umm ..."
This is no different then in the 70's when folks were building bomb shelters expecting a nuclear war. They loaded the shelters up with food and water and hoped they would never have to use it. This time the freeze dried food probably tastes better then the stuff they had back then.
"This is no different then in the 70's when folks were building bomb shelters expecting a nuclear war. They loaded the shelters up with food and water and hoped they would never have to use it. This time the freeze dried food probably tastes better then the stuff they had back then. "
Lard -> Olestra
Honey -> Nutrasweet
Beef Jerky->'Textured vegetable protein'
Pot->Bath salts
Ahh, progress....
Fox, I Disagree, In the 70's no missles were actually launched. Today, the financial missles which carry the seeds of our demise are already in the air. We are only waiting for the first white hot blast.You having food is not the problem, but the billions who have none may not except death by starvation with a smile on their face.
It'll all be beer and skittles until people that need medication run out of it.
Then it won't be beer and skittles anymore.
And there are a LOT of people who are DEPENDENT on their medication.
This is a very American article. Like somebody said in the comments "reality show" prepping.
People just don't fit neatly into these boxes, into these labels. The reasons why Americans are so insistent on labeling other people is because they tend to have very fragile identities to begin with.
Let me give you an example from modern medicine...I think many of you recognize that there's a whole slew of American "diseases" which are not recognized anywhere else in the world, incuding advanced countries. The worst is psychiatry..."attention deficit disorder" "oppositional defiant disorder" etc. Most doctors around the world shrug their heads in wonder at these diagnoses.
And, what's worse, people actually cling to these diagnoses once labelled, because, again, it gives them a sense of identity.
So if you do prep you should understand how group dynamics work. Humans naturally order themselves and naturally take up different roles depending on what they're good at.
So let's say you have a guy who has no trouble shooting other people on the spot. Basically, you want that guy on your side, you want to win his favor, so that he only shoots at others. But you also want to keep him at arm's length lest he discover anything that might cause him to shoot you instead.
The game between people goes on at all times and places, and you have no choice but to play.
I see your point. I thought it was written in the cookie cutter, sing song style of the Hen's Magazines. All of that pseudoestrogen in the Potomac must be working its way north.
If you're an American, you must live in Ithaca.
He lives in a foreign hateful place that wants to think the USA is its problem when in reality his own hateful money grubbing politics abuses his people and blames the USA; distracting attention from his own hateful money grubbing abuse of his own people.
He writes like the religion of pieces or AshkeNAZI.
Whereras, most of the world is dying by its lack of preparation for rape and pillage by its central planners.
idiot.
Preppers are divided into two categories.
That being said, TEMPEST Control Plan
So ask yourself a question, are you being pockmarked to strike back against other human beings for rubbish FRN [Federal Reserve Notes] or are you looking for short term low hanging fruit to prop up your financial safekeeping until the tree no longer produces enough fruit?
Your initial action may be the subsequent social mindfuck indoctrinated one cylinder brain cell decision. Watching Ministry - So What cogitative reasoning peasants during the catch 22 moment will become divine.
Why not label the US Fiscal Cliff as, ‘Unemployed Aardvarks Surveying New Ant Hills’.
I'm not a prepper/ Long Smith & Wesson/ rifeled slugs, and my 223 swift / and my 7 mag/ will handle things...
Still have held back from a purchase. It haunts me some days, other days I don’t think about it. I recall the old days, Pre-Reagan fully automatic assault rifles at my parents’ house. We just had them around, because we could. It was all sporting and never the need to use it. I never had the desire to buy a firearm for the last +25 years , carried on my life without it due to all my international traveling. Still on the fence post, if they create chaos; I have full access to arms to protect my family.
Fully automatic pre-Reagan? What are you talking about? People do not need fully auto. Semi-auto is more disciplined.
LOL. Some of those guns could cut down a 6" tree. I was just in my teens watching it bewildered. Remember rubbing my eyes and thinking, how did that happen without a chainsaw? No shit!
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ASS WIPE....
What about Sgt Prepper for the lonely hearts?
... Much better than a romer of a broken heart.
surviving is different than being dead but
not yet in the ground? zombies of another
stripe? waiting around to die. musical
links upon request.
How about a follow on article on how to deal with all these annoying people? You've got your semi-autos, revolvers, autoloaders, bolt actions, lever actions, pumps, knives, hammers, rocks, ropes.
Okay...six people that could cause a problem...my Glock 36 has six shots with a seventh chambered...problem solved.
Oh, heck - I'll just join a monastic order after the collapse as the Catholic Church just goes about patiently rebuilding the civilization non-Catholics wrecked...
Peanuts and Corn bitchez/ I was 10 years old when i sighted in my first rifle/ 30 odd6 with 130 grain loads.
My uncle laughed at me as i turned the leupold scope. I missed the target several times in sand canyon.
I finally got it right. The fun day taught me how to hit a quarter with a bee-bee gun/
Shooting is like like riding a bike, once you get good at it!
Peace be with you, Yen.
If not, then shoot to kill.
'He who hesitates is lost.'
The Queen, 'Lilibet', speaks of 'dark forces'. Woodrow Wilson who signed the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, spoke of dark forces, and regretted allowing the rootless cosmopolitans to control U.S. money and politics, the people.
The AshkeNAZI international financiers of the Trilateral Commission are inbred insane freaks. I wish them no harm, but I will most certainly put up a fight to defeat them.
Gold, silver, lead.
Took my first "hunter safety" course in 5th grade.{ hunting license} County Court House/ Good ole days...
You as well newengland No complaints
More regulation seems to create more problems. Leave people alone, and have talk with them when things go bad/
If it gets ugly, have your boys and girls ready. Crime is higher than ever. COP's are torn between enforcement and conscience!
Now we resort to artificial enforcement? We're doomed/
Dear Yen,
We are not doomed. Our enemies are most afraid. Good.
:-D
My beloved and his small unit have very special skills, and rely on your sort to make it worthwile.
Peace, brother.
It is a pity that cowardly politicos and voters make endless war.
PS
To Langley,
My beloved is jewish, and Brit fearless.
He says I would make a good jewish american princess, but I am W.A.S.P. , a daughter of the American Revolution.
Remember that.
Be well "New england". Thanks for your kind thoughts. Didn't catch the highlight under my post, but looks like you quelled the situation. Nice work :-)
Have your boys and girls ready. Indeed.
idiot.
There will always be public relations jerks trying to make money off politics by showing the minority of fools in order to impose state control.
idiot.
My father had guns and fished. That is the New England hunting way, shared by native Americans.
My beloved would never allow a situation by which children or women had to shoot guns in New England.
It is a matter of choice whether women shoot guns. Choice, not necessity.
My beloved would never allow such a disintegration of community whereby women and children had to shoot guns.
idiot.
Freak socialists want people to be defenceless, unable to defend themselves against the marauding big banks and big government.
At least the Chinese Politburo urges its people to buy gold and defend themselves against the coming fiat money collapse.
Freak inbred Western bureaucrats don't care who suffers, so long as they get their tax funded pay check.
" Freak inbred Western bureaucrats don't care who suffers, so long as they get their tax funded pay check. "
+1
Only scared government tax paid flunkies hate those who they mis-name 'preppers'.
It was long the case in the USA that communities defend themselves against enemies at home and abroad.
Odd that Homeland Security urges people to prep up, and the government hates preppers.
Only prep with fascist .gov approval...is that the deal, no deal?
Is ZH captured and controlled opposition?
bullshit touchy feely article. no touch with reality. what a fuck stick mind game socialogical bullshit article. come live in the real world ass whipe....
Smaller government, now. YES.
I'm enjoying this Advent more than usual. Genuine community will live and love.
The rest will die by their own hands.
Memo to Langley:
Remember the Republic, your neighbors. Happy Christmas.
You invite death if you bring those killing drones up to the North, the mainstay of the military, and the Republic.
We gave you your life. Be wise, not hateful for the corporatists.
I frequently read lots of hype and hysteria about the coming alpacalypse. Its entertaining but really, who thinks that large roving gangs are going to take to the streets breaking the law? I mean seriously how would they get around?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJKjViEd5C8
A fantastic book here is called "Settlers of Catan" and, while not exactly prepping, does discuss a large group of people resettling to a new land. All the personality issues discussed above surface and most of the good willed people have to deal with it in various ways. Fantastic read and not too long or difficult, and definitely tells a good story.
If someone doesn't release the hair-trigger of nuclear apocalypse - leaving us all dead; during a financial collapse, your neighbors and community will be far more valuable than guns, and don't get me wrong, I like guns. But let's be realistic. Community is first, we need help from a community, everything else, even in crisis is an outlier. We could return to the olden days of independent city states, whether the fed gov survives or not, won't matter. In practice, and according to history, local, and community will prevail.
So buy guns, that's fine, but before you buy another one, and you believe we're headed for a rapid scale down of globalization, (I really haven't made up my mind yet on that) start thinking about how you're going to be of value to your community and city or neigbors. How can you help your neighbor in a crisis? Even SF super soldier Steve needs to sleep, to eat, to fix shit. We in humanity depend on each other. That would be exacerbated in a crisis.
I am here to help my neighbors. I will help my neighbors eat their food, drink their wine, watch their movies and bang their wives and daughters (only 18 of course). I am with the government and I am here to help.
Squid,
Looks like you screw and will be screwed. Happy Hannaka, minor a....or however you choose to spill.
Sgt.
H.U.A.
Neighbors and community, the person stood next to onself. This makes gold and silver worth owning: to protect our people when the latest experiment with paper money fails and the two-faced rootless cosmopolitans, celebrities and international financiers are left with each other, and litigation.
How I'm gonna be a value to my community? Out with my guns keep the refugees on the main road herd them on through to the next town.
Read the Constitution and Declaration. Defend it with your blood and treasure. Otherwise, live outside the USA.
Ta.
as usual, great post Sgt.
Boy is the human race ever f'ed UP!
The human race is evolving.
Choose your side, and don't blame others for your choice.
If the world turns out like Alt is saying then we're all f#@ked, survivialist, capitalist, socialist, it is going to be aworld that we don't want out kids have to inherit.
Fear not. Prepare.
My very best advice to anyone who would like to survive what is most likely coming is:
1. Move to or at least have high ground in sight and some sort of plan to get there or defend said ground.
2. Make sure you have sufficient weapons for each in your immediate party. Remember it's easier to make arrows than bullets when they run out.
3. Have a good, sharp, survival knive and lotsa matches or flint.
4. Shoot any motherfucker who tries to take your stuff after the event, no questions asked. Don't assume anyone is your friend or trustworthy. Make them work to prove it.
5. Right now as in today, get a copy of Dies the fire (and the others in the series) and One second after and at least read both very soon. These guys have thought about this scenario deeply, especially Stirling.
The West Coast has reason to fear death by central oppressive government of liars, and its import of ignorant immigrants.
Here in the North and East, we have longer traditions, and we shall overcome.
Gold, silver, lead.
The Gospel.
Brandon Smith has the ultimate academic disease by which all writers are compromised. It is called 'Publish or Perish'. He does not accrue Federal Reserve Debt Notes unless he writes a certain number of words each week and ports them to a certain number of internet outlets, which all run banner ads and which all absorb reader information for marketing purposes. He has never actually worked in any field about which he postulates, but he does read a lot of doomer porn in order to get the language right. Alt-Market's Barter Forum transmits some of the most absurd ideas re: post-collapse trade that I have ever seen. Brandon distills this kind of predictive absurdity in order to come up with his 1000 words per day 'vow to myself'. He should become a real barter broker or precious metals dealer before trying to be an authority.
Ta.
I did wonder why ZH published this swill.
BWAAAHHH.You're a monkey. If you can't see a few people you know described in Brandon's personality models and also in an earlier article from him on his blog about Statist Thugs, then I sympathize with you. Remember, it is in situations of crises that the best and worst of other people come to the fore. He's just raising awareness of how to spot the bad guys so we don't get fooled again.
You "lock" the magazine in, then "load" a round into the chamber. Fixed for you.
You unlock the bolt. You feed a round. You lock the bolt. You fire.
Fuck else people say is bullshit.
Just read "The Road". That's all you need to get a sense of what a post-apocalypse world looks like.
Or watch "Time of the Wolf"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_the_Wolf
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#winning !
Just make sure if you prep be funny, be hopeful, and by all means have a sense of humor.
Think of the children, won't you?
Never forget those suffering from recurring Alamo Fantasies. You know, the guys who obsess over things like the best fishing line to have tied to their shotgun triggers in anticipation of that final cataclysmic battle at their primary residence or their cabin in the woods.
I'm not stupid usually, This daily DXY chart just put in a buy signal for next week. I'm DXY chart Notice the parabolic daily dot far right/ Look at the moving averages and higher lows on the daily chart/ It's going to be ugly next week!
I'll send some more charts when I get rested for a couple hours/
Tyler I'll get the sizing right next time/
I'm actually a wee bit hopeful at how many "mainstream" people I know are dipping their toe into the "prepper" way of thinking.
I know both sides want to laugh at them, one side for not being hardcore enough and the other side the MSM labeling them as terrorists, but I think this way of looking at the world should be celebrated, even if it's not a perfect copy of our ideal.
Just sing that Gloria Gaynor song "I Will Survive"
i watched the movie "the road" the other day and it made me realize that when the shit really hits the fan, you might not want to survive. if you have not seen it, i would encourage you to do so and think what a real crisis would mean for you.
The book was depressing enuff, i couldnt bear to watch the film.
"prepping" is the western world's attempt to bridge the gap between living way above one's station(courtesy of an economic stratagem that avoids all notions of fair trade like the plague)and comin back down to earth...as in, where most everybody else just gets on with things...
like all projects conceived in the cabbalist-occupied west, it becomes a species of consumerism...which substitutes a fetish for objects(bullets, beans, bullion, etc. etc.)for selectively subjective strategies(networks, mobility, communications)that emphasize the individuals ability to elude the grasp of the state, it's enforcers, and the zombie masses which accrue at the end of every time cycle.
Our peeple bin doin this resist\regroup\renew meme for millenia now...it's just that we've pretty much forgotten everything the forebears learned before us. We would not be here if some of them hadn't gotten it right.
As usual, extremely few of us will be around to pass down the stories of our struggles to the ones who follow. I suppose it's just that natural selection thing at work again...
heheh best thumbnail possible
THE MADNESS OF A LOST SOCIETY 3
Lick my balls & beg for human error forgiveness. How do you think the rats you’ve encaged will counter to your PSYCOP mumbo jumbo? Again, don’t fear the collapse.
Central Planners will solicit to spare their lives. As we devote taxpayer monies to expand Central Banker’s middle east mechanism. A brick will hit the fortification. Obama needs to shut down the United States under fear. The fear will be sold as a fiscal cliff, shadow globalist have been promised high return payments since 2010. Uncle Ben continues to purchase debt so special interest groups can meet forecasted dividend payments to redistribute failed earnings. By wishing to loot again, the technique of grifting United States peasants continues thru another deception cycle.
People outlive government and fiat money. Fact.
Good luck to you with yours.
Apparatchiks have most to fear, along with their celebrity backers and central banks.
It amazes me how oblivious people are! I not speaking of Z/H patrons. Just in general...
How many people have quartered/field dressed a deer or bore? Who has cleaned dove, pheasant, duck, goose,? ect...
It's all Burger King and Mc Donalds/ oops we should all be vegtards...
See thats why you should always post at the top dummy, because them top comments matter more.
Undwind your most eloquint shit dowm here, leave the top to the jerks who've got it all figured out.
Heh.
I Hear Jim Carreys ghost calling you back into the mask , if your juicy "bottom feeding comment can fit"?
Oh shit I see you took offence!
I really don't give a shit.
You obviously did? As if I pick my post placements on this thread? It's 7:00 pm over here in Northern Queensland. Oh, and it's almost Sunday. [6:00 pm in Sydney] NSW no daylight saving shift/
I don't give a fuck where you are. Don't try and shut my shit down on rotation son.
If it's Sunday, it's time for you to get back to work. That's [NSW] Time.
No Sulking Weenies.
Perhaps you should lay off the choom junior? I clearly stated I was in Northern Queensland, and defered the time change. North of Cairns. [QLD]
Sounds like my last deer lease - Goddamned we had a good time!
Remember these are the same people putting helmets on their 'special' children
Dave really/ You must be a bubble baby. I'll bet you still blow spit bubbles when your Mommey shows up!
Come at me bro, I'm in chat.
COME AT ME BRO
I'll respectfully decline. I post on Zero hedge to gain financial information, not give children like yourself a reason to espouse their frustrations over lack of employment... Get it?
Feel free to " vent" right here... Oh - I'm not your bro, or any other term of endearment/
Man you're missing half the fun.
But to each his own.
To each his own... Dave before I sign off may I ask you a question?
Sure man.
Here lies some guy who couldn't lay hands on someone cared to listen. Here lays Yen Cross. LOL.
I'm looking at Australias latest employment numbers. They dropped by .2% to 5.2/3%. Are those numbers really accurate? I have talked with some friends and they say the (repo) business is doing well.. No worries, I'm not doing that.
Also, you might agree with me on this comment. Julia Jillard is full on mental.(re; mining & carbon tax)
Thanks for taking the time, to share your thoughts...
What about pokie regulation, and the car tax?
It'd be so much easier in chat man. Cmon and discuss it in chat bro.
Don't take this the wrong way Dave. I'll take you up on your offer some other time. I have to fly to Canberra Monday morning, and I'm finishing putting together a financial package.
Enjoy the night.
I'd love to chat with you sometime. You'll see what it's all worth.
yah. pss. wtf u talkin bout TAVIS?
MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.
Who the hell is tavis/ this is fun. I get the Asian market perspective of things.
I love the Aussies, but ya got to pick your pubs or ya might get " King Hit"...
This is a sad subject. I love the U.S. I hate to see it come to this. Life, especially in Texas, has been good til now.
However, I've been prepping for a while. I have some months of stored food, the usual arsenal, a garden, several water sources and I live in the country. I feel sort of like Noah who's built the ark and is waiting for the inundation. Yet I've concluded that if someone wants to blow me away, at least at the beginning of the nightmare, they probably can. I've got guns, but it's simple to sneak up at night or day and pop someone and take what you need.
Belonging to local organizations helps. People know you and maybe trust you not to bump them off. I'm a member of a church and a fire department.
Knowing how to fight helps too, but what you don't see, you can't protect youself against. And in fights, nothing is guaranteed.
My friend, T, says he and his neighbors will form an armed militia. That might work, but it takes time to build one and become situationally aware.
Perhaps the best advice comes from Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" and maybe a blog from a guy who surived the collapse in Argentina. Being in a tribe might help, too.
Yes good point!
Guy from Bosnia blog
when SHTF dont forget TOILET PAPER
http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/a-survival-q-a-living-thr...
Nothing like a prepper story to bring out the tough guys. Fit hits the Shan I will be ok, but the world will be Hell. Anyone who wants such shit to happen is dumb. Raise your hand if you gotta wife who is an Emergency Room nurse, family with three different multi acre farms, horses, numerous zombie equalizers, generators....shit...gramps owns a dairy farm and heavy machinery. Only people who are allowed in before the gates close better have blood ties. The guy's right. Try to keep assholes out. The end will be whisper not a bang but I personally think moral erosion is more of a worry. That I definitely see daily. Love each other.
Yes, I think that Family grouping together is the answer. You already know the personalities and have delt with them at one time or another. Plus, they would protect you, just as you would protect them. There is nothing thicker than Blood.
It's my considered opinion that when the SHTF those who are normally charged with keeping law and order and government, will be as dangerous as the roving gangs.
Cops will take by force what they need for their own families, and governmet will take your preps and lock you up for being a horder.
My SHTF motto " trust no one and you'll never be dissapointed"
JERICHO! Bitchezz!
Seriously, before you prep anything try selco's blog/guide.
Him and urbansurvival are my two faves and i dont even own a gun.
The focus needs to be on individualism... everyone thinking, planning, saving, preparing, training for them self. After that, it is natural for similar-minded folks to share thoughts and ideas, but THAT IS ALL.
It should go without saying that "individualism cannot be collectivized". That's pretty much a tautology, is it not? To voluntarily share ideas is fine and consistent with individualism (both sides benefit). To voluntarily brainstorm is fine and consistent with individualism (both sides benefit). To voluntarily collaborate where both receive a benefit is also fine and consistent with individualism, but is often problematic in practice because each is expecting something physical from the other (and may not get it [with the expected quality or quantity]).
And when TS does HTF, and we are "living it", not "preparing for it", trading goods is fine and consistent with individualism (both sides benefit).
But everyone must be "for themself", and understand that everyone else is also "for themself". If charity is ever "needed", it must be requested, not demanded, appreciated when received, and no hard feelings when not offered.
The focus of the article on collective constructs is puzzling and dangerous. Does nobody know what IS individualism any more? Not even supposed individualists? One word says it all... voluntary. All those example jerks in the article alway insist on "their way" for everyone. But that's not voluntary, that's not individualism... that is precisely what destroyed the world.
Amateur psychology to fill up an article. Devoid of almost any value. Trying to spot certain cartoon-style character in people is as much a folly, as ignoring thier actual character. Yes - people have a lot of issues. Yes - in high risk situation these issues that now just annoy can actualy cost lives. But save your typology for next season of The Walking Dead.
If the author of this runs a set of experiments where people will be put in comperable situation, their final results measured and than groups composition analyzed - than he can attempt to make a list of "bad types to have". It's not enough to watch some tv and add some of your personal experiences.
I want to be #2, feudal lord.
I have 160 acres of hilly farmland, who's in?
You guys have been watching too much TV
in what movie is this guy living?