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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

Is Real Food Too Expensive?

Please don't claim real food is "too expensive" to eat. What's "too expensive" is unhealthy processed and fast foods.

It is a truism that food is expensive in America. What if we ask, "is real food expensive in America?"
Let's define "real food" as unprocessed or minimally processed: raw fruits and vegetables, whole grains, unprocessed meat. Minimally processed would include rolled oats, 100% whole wheat bread, tofu, etc.
Exhibit #1: I recently bought this real food, here in America, for less than $5: 9 oranges, large bag of mustard cabbage, large bag of Shanghai bok choi and a large bag of malabar spinach. It was not in the "half off" bin; I paid the full retail price:
Exhibit #2: all of the above, plus 30 eggs and a hand of bananas: total less than $10:
Each of these vegetables makes 4 to 6 servings, and the 2.5 dozen eggs provides plenty of protein for multiple meals. I could have added some excellent frozen fish for under $2 a pound, and cooked a few ounces per serving--a typical serving in traditional Asian cuisine, where one piece of chicken is thinly sliced and added to vegetables to feed four people.
$10 in fast food might get you two "value meals" of saturated-fat burgers, fries and sugar-water drink. $10 in packaged food will buy an assortment of fake-food: frozen pizzas, snacks, sugar-bomb breakfast bars, etc.
Is real food expensive in America? As a percentage of median household income ($49,777), no. Is processed or fast food expensive? If the "value" is measured in nutrition and well-being, yes, the cost is very high indeed.
Apologists often cite four reasons why people (and more particularly, low-income people) tend to eat so poorly in America. One is the high cost of "real food." This is not quite true, as shown above: if you shop at Asian or Latin markets, you will find prices for fresh produce and other real food is typically much lower than in conventional supermarkets.
The second reason offered is that there are no grocery stores in low-income areas. This is also not quite true, as the aforementioned ethnic markets are typically only found in low-income immigrant-friendly areas.
The third excuse is that low-income people lack a proper stove/oven. The majority of Indian, Chinese and southeast Asian cuisine is prepared in one saucepan or wok that only needs one burner, a cutting board, one knife and a stirring/serving tool. The variety and healthy qualities of these cuisines are well-known. You only need one burner and a single saucepan/wok to make a huge range of healthy meals.
The fourth reason given is that people work long hours and have no time to cook, especially low-income workers with long commutes on public transport.
I routinely prepare a healthy meal with the above vegetables or equivalent (green beans, etc.) and a few ounces of meat in about a half hour. With a pressure cooker (widely available at garage sales, etc.), you can prepare a pot of beans or lentils (dal) in less than an hour.
Compare these modest investments of time with surveys that routinely find Americans of all incomes and ethnicities watch up to four hours of TV or equivalent "entertainment" (web-surfing, videogaming, etc.) a day. Some surveys put the total even higher than four hours.
So the apologists are claiming that people find four hours to watch TV, etc., but they have to stop at fast food outlets for dinner because they have no time to prepare a meal with real food.
None of these excuses hold water. Even more absurdly, some apologists claim that "people don't know how to cook." With dozens of cooking shows being broadcast and thousands of recipes available to anyone with a smartphone or Internet connection, this strains credulity. There are even these useful things called cookbooks that can be borrowed from a public library.
Let's also recall that up to 40% of all food in the U.S. is thrown in the garbage. Do you throw away what is costly? No, you throw away what is cheap.
What it boils down to is convenience, marketing and engineering: processed food and fast-food are engineered to "taste good" (i.e. salty, fatty and sweet), marketing hypes them 24/7 and Americans have been brainwashed to worship convenience above all else.
So please don't claim real food is "too expensive" to eat. What's "too expensive" is unhealthy processed and fast foods.

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Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:06 | 3043059 SheepDog-One
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Oranges here are going for about $1 each, head of lettuce $3, 18 eggs for $3.50....not sure where this guy is shopping.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:07 | 3043062 vast-dom
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he is shopping in fantasy-land. and none of that is organically grown either. try that little shop experiement in nyc, even bargain discount bin non-organic produce and welcome to reality. nonsense post!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:10 | 3043068 SheepDog-One
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OH wait I see....he says he shopped at an 'Asian market'....not many of them here in rural Montana. Maybe this works in NYC in 'Little Vietnam' or whatever but I'm definitely not seeing it anywhere here.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:21 | 3043086 idea_hamster
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It is a truism that food is expensive in America.

Simply not true.  Americans spend a smaller portion of their available income on food that almost anyone else in the world.  I.e., relative to incomes, food in the United States is inexpensive -- "real" or otherwise.

Whether that may be changing, and that the negative trend feels uncomfortable as food expenditures globalize, is a different story.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:22 | 3043117 camaro68ss
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This is all to depressing. I’m going to head to Starbucks, buy myself a $7 coffee and a GMO muffin and contemplate my life.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:27 | 3043137 El Viejo
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Welcome to Peak Food.

Pay me a little now or pay me a lot later. (for health care)

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:37 | 3043172 Herd Redirectio...
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Whenever I make myself a chicken burger I put some mayonnaise and hot sauce on it, and then start saying out loud "Its a ZINGER sandwich!"  "The ZINGER!"  And then I eat it.  Its funny how I have been programmed (by advertising) to think that a "real Zinger" would taste better than my 'imitation Zinger'. 


Whats even funnier is that I can overcome the brainwashing just by proclaiming my chicken burger to be a "Zinger"!!!!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:52 | 3043232 Satan
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You can pick up some Zynga for pretty cheap these days...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:42 | 3043331 hedgeless_horseman
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Location, location, location.

In growing Zone 8b we are enjoying plenty of lettuce, sweet potato, peppers, and baba ganoush right now.

I love Mrs. Horseman's sweet potato muffins...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:47 | 3043460 Bohm Squad
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HH - Just a quick FYI:


You made a post a while back regarding farming an entire meal; a meal without any store bought items at all.  I just wanted to let you know that inspired me to do the same.  It's an amazingly tough thing to do!  

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:07 | 3043522 hedgeless_horseman
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Once one has a family cow it gets much easier to do so.  Beef, milk, cream, butter, and cheese open up many options.

Initially I was very resistant to owning a cow, but thank God Mrs. Horseman persisted. 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:21 | 3043576 The Alarmist
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"try that little shop experiement in nyc ..."

Ah, NYC, where a can of SPAM costs $4.25 ... plus tax.  No wonder those people were shitting in the hallways.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:30 | 3043770 chubbar
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Do you pasturize the milk or go the raw route? Just curious how you operate because I was thinking of doing the same.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:00 | 3043881 hedgeless_horseman
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Raw. We just pour it through a Tuffy paper filter into the glass jug.


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:28 | 3043889 TruthInSunshine
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In KomradeKronyKapitalism Amerika, edible food like substances own you!


Whole Foods Parking Lot; Shit's Gettin' Real
Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:16 | 3043941 Citxmech
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Pasturization isn't really necessary if your cows aren't raised knee-deep in shit on a feedlot.  A pastured cow that gets to eat grass will be extremely healthy.  All those antibiotics are used to keep factory cows alive in spite of horrendous conditions that would otherwise kill them in short order (eg a grain-based diet rather than grass)

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 22:55 | 3044789 DaveyJones
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amazing, I've found that removing any edible from knee deep shit improves your health risks dramatically

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:32 | 3043928 hedgeless_horseman
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Hamby has almost everything you will need.  

Specialty Bottle sells (and $hips) the right type of reusable, dishwasher-safe, jugs and lids. 

It is not necessary, but it is really nice to have hot water in your milking parlor.

Here is the business end of our little lady.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 11:42 | 3046820 daveeemc2
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Nice set up; we have something similar.

Make sure u look for mastitis.

We do something similiar, primarily for reason #1; and reason #2.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 19:51 | 3044359 cheetahbaby
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Dude, once you beef that cow no more milk, cream, butter or cheese. Just sayin'

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 00:30 | 3044972 VisualCSharp
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Cows are used for beef? Pretty sure only steer are used for beef.

EDIT: Okay, so cows are made into beef when they get old. :)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 13:26 | 3045578 hedgeless_horseman
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A cow must be bred and give birth to produce milk.  This happens about once per year, and the resultant offspring, male or female, can be slaughtered for veal or beef. 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:55 | 3043498 sullymandias
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Yes right, plenty of cheap "real" food, so long as you don't mind unknown quantities of GMO, ridiculous quantities of pesticides, and fish and shellfish from the oil-spill Gulf of Mexico, or the newly nuclear Pacific ocean. We eat real food here but it is by no means cheap. And those eggs he shows came from chickens that are stapled to a wall and force-fed the ground up parts of other chickens that were not suitable to go into a McNugget.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:25 | 3043589 Terminus C
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So what you are saying is... you want all of the above and additional "processing" materials added for preservation and "taste"?

What is your point?  If all you can get is GMO food at the grocery store, you are still better off than if you ate GMO processed fast food.  Would it be best to be HH and grow/hunt/gather all of your own food?  Yes.  Is it possible for people to go from eating fast food to self sustainability immediately?  Yes, but unlikely.

Cook your own food.  Buy from local farmers, if possible, grow as much as you can.  Look up permaculture to see how you can farm your apartment deck etc. 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 02:17 | 3045081 goldfish1
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I have the pleasure to eat real eggs from free chickens fed organic feed. What a difference. So delicious.

So much "food" is wasted. I buy the good stuff...I consume less.

Org. Oatmeal in the late morning with raisins nuts and real milk. Alternate with eggs and not genetically mutated bread.

Dinner, little meat with whole non gm grain and veggies.

Healthy snacks of non gm cereal or non gm granola bars or org. fruit.

After a diet like that, you start to feel pretty good all of a sudden.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 11:46 | 3046828 daveeemc2
Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:27 | 3043598 vast-dom
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let's amend this post to: get your groceries on in Buttfuck USA. not that i have anything against most of Amerika, but living in major cities a la Fight Club, this is all horseshit and cow manure posts. And Clueless et. al. are turning the Fight Club into a fucking FuckBook look at my pathetic life pics and posts site. Please, let's clean this Fight Club up with some dirty boxing and germane posts. oh and FUCK Hallmark Holidays and buying shit when you are told to: ie Xmas!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:19 | 3043673 hedgeless_horseman
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Vast-Dom, I have noticed that you have a significant number of posts on exactly these types of threads.  What is causing you to spend your valuable time reading and writing about topics for which you hold no value? 

let's clean this Fight Club up with some dirty boxing and germane posts.

Germane posts such as...

 "oh and FUCK Hallmark Holidays and buying shit when you are told to: ie Xmas!"

...on an article about food, or a different type of germane post ?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 19:12 | 3044233 vast-dom
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you miss the point, every time. post your inane cow tits pics on fuckbook please. germane to Fight Club is your dumb ass posting xmas shopping lists and i promise you more idiotic pathetic pics of your x-mas feast of your cows and turkeys. get it now? know what germane means now? i am unsure what Tylers are thinking, and it's there "home" and they allow some of this in poor judgement, for fuck's sake. luckily there are several tylers.......

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 19:51 | 3044357 akak
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Had your meds stolen again at the homeless shelter after binging on MD20/20 under the overpass?  I hear that can be a bitch.


PS: Was that "fight club" enough for you?

PPS:  Happy Christmas shopping!  Send me your address, and I will mail you a special Hallmark holiday card, picked out just for you.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 02:20 | 3045082 goldfish1
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What's not germane? I didn't know those cow milkers are so bad ass...

Maybe I'll get a cow.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:30 | 3043764 trader1
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i love me some sweet potato muffins too!  especially the ones with the herbal infusion :P

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:53 | 3043867 SmallerGovNow2
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Whomever junked you is jealous.  Nice looking veggies.  I got several dozen green tomato's bout to turn red on me....

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 23:01 | 3044799 DaveyJones
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I built a greenhouse a few years back and have been eating fresh greens all winter since. Purple kales, cilantro, burnett salad, mizuna, mibuna  - lots of things. LIke this site, it's not just for my health, it helps me get through winter.  

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:58 | 3043260 MillionDollarBogus_
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Those bananas are past their prime.

Those white eggs came from factory farmed chickens.

Real eggs have brown shells, from chickens that get to walk & forage.  

White shells come from chickens in a small cage.

What else have you got for us...?? 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:07 | 3043303 HeatMiser
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Okay what Happed to MDB ? He never writes anythig worth reading. This is the second post in two days. The world really is coming to an end. OH CRAP

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:49 | 3043467 TheAntiBen
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Couldn't agree more.  I do a word search on the forums for MDB every day for a good laugh, and lately it has been horrible compared to his past writing!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:57 | 3043507 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Look closely, MillionDollarBogus_ spelled with a g.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:31 | 3043609 TheCanadianAustrian
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An incredibly easy and annoying mistake to make. I wish MillionDollarBogus would just fuck off. He isn't even a parody. All he does is sap attention, and he never has anything entertaining or informative to say.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:46 | 3044025 fourchan
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i dont know one person who knows how to cook. i find it amazing on a daily basis.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:00 | 3044078 Jena
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You're hanging out with the wrong people, unless you're teaching em how to cook.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:59 | 3043513 FrankDrakman
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Could it be you're confusing some talentless douche "MD boGus" with the real thing?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:11 | 3043543 viahj
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this is MDBogus, not MDBonus, parady of a troll.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:08 | 3043313 SilverDOG
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White eggs come from chickens which lay white eggs.

Commercial breeds are as such.

You can free range and OG feed, and still get white shelled eggs.

Rhode Island Reds kick arse.

Brown egged and mahogany feathers on the dozen in the back yard.


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:43 | 3043443 Tijuana Donkey Show
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My Red is one of my fav's, she is a SPARKY little chicken. 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:46 | 3043457 hedgeless_horseman
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We have some Americanas that lay nice green eggs.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:24 | 3043587 El
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Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:24 | 3043588 El
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Oddly enough, the green/blue shelled eggs are supposedly lower in cholesterol than the brown or white eggs. I had a little speckled hen when I was a kid that layed the green/blue eggs.

Oh...and can one keep a cow on five acres? I don't know much about cows, but was told you need at least 20 for a regular size breed. (Maybe not quite as much for one of those smaller cows...can't remember what they are called at the moment.)

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:23 | 3043707 hedgeless_horseman
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...can one keep a cow on five acres? 

Yes, where we live.  It depends entirely on the pasture.  Some places like Idaho it is acres per cow, while other places like Panama it is cows per acre.  In the USA, your local ag extension office will offer free consultation on just this sort of thing.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:48 | 3043463 BeansBulletsBandaids
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If the chicken's "ear lobes" are red then it'll lay brown eggs.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:49 | 3043469 FeralSerf
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White chickens lay white eggs.  White chickens do not require as much feed per egg laid as other chickens do.  That's the reason most commercial chickens are white ($$$).  Non-white chickens normally lay non-white eggs.

Chickens that are penned up do not require as much feed either.  There is plenty of evidence, though, that pastured, free range chickens lay much healthier eggs for human consumption than their penned up cousins do.  But they cost a lot more, normally about three times as much.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:57 | 3043504 AnAnonymous
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Priceless. Priceless.

'Americans' discussing the colour of eggs.

The big question: why do 'american' pour into theatre to see their failed 'american' comedies when they can produce this kind of stuff? It all comes for free.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:04 | 3043525 pods
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Do they discuss whether HDPE or PP is the best plastic to use in rice around your water cooler?


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:58 | 3043674 AnAnonymous
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Do those plastic have the white and brown colour?

That is the involved colours that made the chit chat amusing.

White and brown eggs. Calling for an 'american' obsession.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:58 | 3043880 Citxmech
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I personally don't give a shit what color eggs my chickens produce (we get a range between light cream to medium beige btw).  However, I do care that they are healthy for me and my family (lower in cholesterol w/no antibiotics, pesticides, etc), and aren't the product of mechanized serial torture.

Feel free to call that an obsession if you want.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 23:03 | 3044802 DaveyJones
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and cereal torture. They're tropical animals who need inects.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 23:59 | 3044921 mjcOH1
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"Priceless. Priceless.

'Americans' discussing the colour of eggs.

The big question: why do 'american' pour into theatre to see their failed 'american' comedies when they can produce this kind of stuff? It all comes for free."

Personally, I enjoy tuning into CNN and watching show trials for Chinese Communist Party officials.   Bo Xilai.   Gu Kailai.    Doesn't make much difference to me.   Now that's some funny shit.   And each time, I think to myself... "MJ...that crazy fucker there who's been screwing his own people for 20 years.   He might have a brat kid.   One who likes the internet.   And tomorrow ZH may be a better place....

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:43 | 3043640 nugjuice
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You put 'these' around weird words. Are you implying that people from America aren't Americans? I'm confused. Are you also implying that American comedies aren't American either?

And what do you have against comedies? Sometimes even 'intelligent' and 'worldly' (see what I did there?) people like yourself need to just shut their brains off and have a cheap laugh. And if renting a Will Ferrell flick for $5 accomplishes that it was worth every penny. You can only take so much doom and gloom, even if it is all true.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:57 | 3043669 AnAnonymous
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The '' are here to distinguish between:
- americans, that is people who live in the Americas.

-'americans', who are proponents of set of beliefs known as 'americanism'

Most 'americans' living in the Americas are not Americans. They descend from land grabbers who mock the unalienable 'american' rights of Man and revel into recet.

As most 'americans' in North America are Indo Europeans who are Asians, when adding a continental qualifier, they should be qualified as Asians.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:29 | 3043979 TBT or not TBT
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My 1/16 th of Cherokee DNA walked across the Bering strait from ASIA like 12K years ago, which is maybe 500 generations of selective pressures adding up over time.  

That's nothing to sneeze at but is also a blink of the eye, if we are talking about any tie between some race of people and the land they supposedly belong to.   To wit, it has been at least 150K generations since "Lucy" walked the earth in the great rift valley of Africa.   There's been some evolution since then, big time, but not a hole hell of a lot in the last 12K years.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:56 | 3044064's picture

You guys had it easy. My ancestors walked here from Ireland.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:10 | 3043706 Ookspay
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Do tell oh foreign enlightened one, in which country do you reside. Post it, and within minutes we can beat the crap out of it and explain what sucks about you. Is that how you get your kicks? Let's play...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 06:43 | 3045198 Diogenes
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Eggs have more flavor, and are more nutritious if the chickens are allowed to scratch around in the yard and eat bugs, worms and weeds along with a serving of grain each day from a farm wife's dish pan.

Nutritionally there is no difference between brown and white shell eggs. If you keep your chickens as above, you will get both.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:51 | 3043654 1100-TACTICAL-12
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RIR roosters are meaner than hell @ least the ones I had were . used to run across the yard to flog my kids.. Pressure cook them and make some dumplings good shit. I now have light and dark bramahs awesome all around chickens big bodied and good layers pretty broodie also..

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:37 | 3043787 SilverDOG
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RIR roosters should be in house raised and handled until you put them outside. This is if you want social, not psycho. Secondly, you must show complete domination over them endlessly. When in doubt of, pick rooster up by feet, hold until RIR exhausted, lay on ground belly up, and allow all hens to witness. If you try, you can hold belly up in hand afterwards and chickens will stay horizontal in your one hand. Kids should hold too. Be a chicken whisperer. Or cook 'em.

Rhode Island Red Rooster ! YUMMMM !!  -red robin, yumm.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:53 | 3043864 Overfed
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Caponize 'em!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 20:04 | 3044385 cheetahbaby
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Forget rooster, eat pigeon.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 22:16 | 3044708 SilverDOG
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That is to be my next on property food source.

I should balance out with red meat, guinea pigs.

A delicacy in s. America.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:51 | 3043657 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Also we have Americacana's that lay blue and greenish eggs. Harder shell, darker yolks and tastier. As a bonus it's not necessary to dye eggs for Easter!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:52 | 3043664 AnAnonymous
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Debt may not be money but for sure it is consumption.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:30 | 3045661 akak
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Bigotry and hypocriticality may not be insanitation but for sure it is AnAnonymousitizenism.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:12 | 3043329 RealFinney
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Which came first, the real chicken, or the real egg?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:13 | 3043339 Sean7k
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Real, organic chicken eggs come in different colors- including white. We have been brainwashed into believing only brown eggs are good for you. However, 30 egg lots at asian markets are probably factory chickens.

By the way, free range chicken eggs are another marketing ploy. Producers merely have to provide a door and grass strip. They do not have to allow the chickens on it for the first five weeks of their lives. Unfortunately, by this time, chickens have been trained to stay indoors.

If you want a real egg- find a local, organic producer.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:45 | 3043453 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Or if you can, get a couple of your own backyard chickens!

Remember to save your scraps for the girls!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:26 | 3043378 Lore
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See the self-hugging 100-mile-diet-thumping Agenda 21 neurotics come out of the woodwork. 

It's a fact that real food is MUCH cheaper than junk food. There's a reason why those pre-cooked, pre-packaged meals are displayed so prominently near the entrance. Grocery stores charge 400-500% markup.  The margins for battered chicken nuggets and fish cakes are amazing.  Eat better and save money!


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:42 | 3044013 TBT or not TBT
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Lore, the distinction to be made is between COST of food and PRICE of food.

The material cost of a bag of chips is really really low.   Potatoes and industrial vegetable oils are low cost calories, for the producer who buys them in trucklaod quantities.   

On the other hand, the price per unit of carb calories or fat calories in the typical bag of chips is impressively high.

The damned bag of chip takes up a lot of retail space, is fragile, and mostly a bunch of air on that shelf and from A to B in the supply chain, so all of that costs something.   The chip maker wants to make a profit of course, and so they do.   They've been honing their processes, recipes and suppliers to get the costs minimized.   Dressing up a bunch of cheap carbs and cheap vegetable oils into addictive jolts of entertaining blood glucose is profitable business for the good reason that the raw materials are very very cheap compared to the average income of "poor" um 'americans'.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 02:39 | 3045100 Lore
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 "The distinction to be made is between COST of food and PRICE of food."

Absolutely. I don't think I indicated otherwise. As another businessperson, you might be interested to hear that I have had academics argue vehemently that price is NOT whatever people will pay.  Instead, they insist that price is somehow dependent upon cost, as though one cannot rise without the other. It's clear that they don't get out much.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 23:05 | 3044807 DaveyJones
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if you were to price "food" by its true nutritional value, it would indeed be new math.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:55 | 3043495 GottaBKiddn
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Wrong, City Boy, Brown eggs don't come from chickens that "get to walk and forage", as you put it, they come from Rhode Island Reds. Don't even go there, pseudo-health nut. One thing obvious to me is that ZH'ers may know a lot about economics and investment, but they should hold their tongues when it comes to food. It won't be long though, till we all get the big ugly food lesson.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:15 | 3043560 zerozulu
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I talked to a vet about egg shells and he told me ,he can give med to chicken and can get any color of eggs. He says even green, blue and purple, no problem.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 19:33 | 3044304 ForTheWorld
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Those bananas aren't past their prime - even when the bananas are almost completely dark brown, they're perfect for making banana bread with.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 02:23 | 3045085 goldfish1
Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:46 | 3043212 nugjuice
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So you've proven to me two things which I already knew:

1) Foods are addictive

2) Low income people are generally lazy (not just 'unlucky' like we're supposed to believe)

Just how addictive is food?

You tell me: Less than 20% of people who try crack or heroine get addicted

34% of adults over 20 are obese

(and therefore can't control their food urges)

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:55 | 3043499 upWising
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"Low income people are lazy"

You paint with far too broad a brush.  Low income, middle income, high income:  they (we) come in all energy levels.  Some "well-to-do" folks are the laziest sons of bitches on the planet and many "poor" people I know are incredibly industrious.

The point has been alluded to here several times:  FOOD AVAILABILITY is a key factor to consider.  

• rural areas (there may be one, very shitty store in town with poor packaged offerings from a central warehouse and sad, limp "produce" at high prices).

• poor urban areas :: many ZH readers may be unaware of "Food Deserts" in inner cities where there simply aren't any stores.  Public transportation may well suck, as does lugging bags of food on two buses and waiting for transfer for 25 minutes on a corner.  Farmer's markets are great but are more of a suburban phenomenon in truth.

NUGjuice: you would behest to be less judgmental and more observant of facts on the ground (and IN the ground).  You are riding a little too smugly and far too high on your high horse.


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:00 | 3043676 Urban Redneck
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There is an ABUNDANCE of food and an amazing VARIETY of food in America, regardless of whether one live in a large city or small town.

The food in America is INEXPENSIVE- in nominal terms compared to other developed countries and in relative terms compared to developing and undeveloped countries.

Compare the US to Europe, Asia, Africa, South America - nowhere is there as much choice or as much supply at a reasonable cost per capita.

As long as the USD is the global reserve currency, this will be the case.  When the USD is no longer the worlds reserve currency, the 30%+ obesity problem in the USA will correct itself among the lower 80% on the wealth pyramid.


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:50 | 3044038 TBT or not TBT
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Nope Urban Redneck, when food becomes more expensive poorer people will substitute to cheaper(per calorie) foods, and cheaper foods are typically higher in carbohydrates, which are uniquely fattening.   Good quality fats and proteins are far more expensive per calorie than carbohydate sources like bread, pizza crust, noodles, potatoes, sugar, and such like foods that pour on the blood sugar, spiking insulin production, and laying down body fat.   

A collapse of the US dollar will make poor people even fatter.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 23:09 | 3044814 DaveyJones
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second that along with the food desert

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:58 | 3045313 Urban Redneck
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I don't see 30%+ obesity in poor countries (granted I don't regularly visit all of them).

With a collapse of the dollar those who don't have obese wallets won't be able to afford to gorge on crappy calories.

What poor country is plagued with an obesity epidemic comparable to the US?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:43 | 3044021 TBT or not TBT
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You are onto to something.  Thurston Howell the III and his wife so just sat around on Gilligan's islands, making Gilligan and the Captain and Mary Ann and the professor do real work.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:58 | 3043509 upWising
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"Less than 20% of people who try crack or heroine get addicted"

I think that far more than 20% of try heroines (women heroes) get addicted.  Not so sure about crack....might be higher.

NUGjuice:  You might get off your high horse and learn how to spell, though your illiterate pun was pretty funny.  I would bet your head is obese, though size in your case obviously hasn't helped you a bit.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:19 | 3043572 Hippocratic Oaf
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buy myself a $7 coffee and a GMO muffin and contemplate my life.


......don't forget that $12.50 pack of Kools at the corner NYC deli

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:34 | 3043160 SilverDOG
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When TPTB can no longer profit from ponzi loan shark loaning.

They will raise food prices in order to capture the remaining capital.

Get ready to pay the 25% - 35% of your income for low grade food.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:49 | 3043223 Flakmeister
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You give them far too much credit...

It is more like an example of rats clawing their way over each other to escape...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:45 | 3043829 SilverDOG
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TPTB may be rats, I consider them reptilian, but they play a game we are not even allowed to spectate, as we are just the pieces. History declares credit is well deserved. May it be different this cycle, hopium so. 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 22:23 | 3044724 batterycharged
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Yeah, I don't see where people complain about the cost of food....what are these people eating?

Do they eat out a lot?

Then again I live in the midwest where I grow my own fruits and veggies. Broccolli grows like a weed here and tomatoes have to be fenced in.

When I was unemployed I could get by on $50-100 on food each month. And it's true real food is cheaper. A bag of rice (white or brown) is like $3 for 2 pounds. That is a meal forever. Or a 10 lbs bag of potatoes for $3.

Food is one thing I never cried about. It's so cheap, even poor people can't complain. And processed food is the WORST. It seems cheap but you eat and eat and eat it, because it never fills you up. Then it gets expensive.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:15 | 3043092 CommunityStandard
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Rural Montana is even cheaper since you can grow stuff yourself.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:23 | 3043128 exi1ed0ne
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Your definition of cheaper does not include the opportunity cost of your own labor.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:31 | 3043150 oddjob
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Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:37 | 3043171 Bohm Squad
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Opportunity cost is not generalized - it depends on the person and what value they place on their time.  My experience has shown that rural life affords a choice between watching TV after work or weeding a garden.  But each person's situation is different.  Point is, opportunity costs vary for different individuals and lumping them together to make a point is simplistic.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:49 | 3043222 exi1ed0ne
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I'm about as rural as it gets, and am currently using the warm weather to finish splitting 16 cords of wood so I totally get it.  However, just saying plant a garden it's cheaper is not true.  There are labor, property taxes, etc. etc. inputs into the equation.  It many cases when you actually do the math it is cheaper to buy from professional farmers since their product is subsidized.  Now if that is your hobby and excuse to be out of doors, great and I applaud you.  The world needs more of that.  But lets swing back to the original declaration that it is cheaper, shall we?  The average person isn't going to garden their way out of a grocery bill.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:29 | 3043372 SilverDOG
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Go for it... commercial cost vs. self grown and raised food. Step into the OG world, and @ home sustainment in rural USA is less expensive. Especially so if one considers cost of food acquisition. Fuel anyone? If one puts forth an educated effort with foresight and commitment, with OG, financial gains are in hand... and yard. Math done and recorded. 

6 cords here, split, stacked, and covered. So damn dry it sounds like a metal drum when you drop then into the pile.

Who cares about the average person? Soon there will be few and one must use the phrase "mean person".


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:49 | 3043465 exi1ed0ne
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If you have a regular wood burner, you will want about 20% moisture or it will burn too hot and fast.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:37 | 3043377 hedgeless_horseman
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The average person isn't going to garden their way out of a grocery bill.

True, nevertheless, I was shown just last night that our family-of-five's grocery store bill for November was exactly $0.00.  Mrs. Horseman doesn't like to go to the store very often, and not because she is lazy, nor because we are poor. She just has better things to do with her life than shop.


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:48 | 3043844 chubbar
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If she ever divorces your ass would you send her my way?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:26 | 3043972 hedgeless_horseman
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Can you hammer a 6" nail through a 2" board with your penis? 

She does have her standards.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:58 | 3044071 Cheesy Bastard
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8"?  I don't cut 2" off for anybody.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:40 | 3044160 francis_sawyer
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Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:37 | 3043420 Acet
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I don't know about the US, but my parents in Portugal, both of which from farmer families (but living in the suburbs of Lisbon now), can cover most of their vegetable needs (not grains, fruit, fish or meat) from two tiny plots of land (the kind that city halls sometimes make available for people to farm for fun - so about 100m2 each) planted with a bit of everything (carrots, tomatoes, potatoes, cabbages, chillies, you name it). No chemical fertilizer used (my dad uses horse manure he gets for free on his), no pesticides used. Both of them cook their own food so they use vegetables for every meal (no processed food).

They're both pensioners, so their time is for free (they actually do it for fun - and bore me to tears with updates on the status of their farming-plots). The weather does help a lot (think California but less dry) so things grow fast and for many things you can get two or even three harvests a year.

The way I see it, two small plots save about 100 EUR per-month each, this in a country were produce is very cheap (and salaries low).


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:41 | 3043437 Bohm Squad
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Thanks for the polite dialog.  Everyone has a limited amount of time with which to work.  I understand your argument and mostly agree with it.  Some costs, such as property taxes would be considered a "sunk cost" since they occur regardless of whether one has a garden or not.  In addition, subsidization comes from taxes and inflation, so they are actually [hidden] costs...but that's a whole 'nuther theoretical ball of wax and not really relevant to the guy shelling out the cash at the store.  But yes, if one's time is required to pursue more important (read: relatively costly) pursuits, then it's cheaper to purchase the items from the marketplace...that's economics.  It seems we actually agree - I only replied to your original post to remind readers that not everyone shares the same situations...a point you've also made.

Thanks again for a thoughful reply...I tend not to post too much here because it seems 80% of the people would rather be "right" than have a free exchange of ideas.  And to me, this is a learning website.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 23:15 | 3044820 DaveyJones
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beg to differ at least assuming you have a yard of any size and learn a few things. You can grow an amazing amount of organic greens for far less than commercial prices. You're also getting around a collapsing dollar and increasing energy prices. Who knows what avoiding (non-labelled) GMOs is worth.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:38 | 3043174 SilverDOG
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Pray tell the amount pre hour you charge yourself.

Forget any self value in the equation ! 

Do not consider any collateral gains, oh NOOOO !

Why would those be counted ? chump.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:18 | 3043357 A Lunatic
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Try bullshitting someone who isn't in rural Montana.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:47 | 3043459 SheepDog-One
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'Rural Montana is even cheaper since you can grow 'stuff' yourself'

Well....only problem is not much grows here the growing season is maybe a couple months if that. Just not a good place to grow much of anything but pine trees.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:04 | 3043523 FeralSerf
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You must be referring to Western Montana.  Most of Montana has few trees but lots of wheat fields.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:19 | 3043112 Citxmech
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Here in the Seattle area, cage-free organic eggs are about $4/dozen.  Unfortunately, even those have yolks paler than our own backyard birds (which produce a beautiful bright orange yolk).

I assume the eggs Mr. Smith purchased came from "Auschwitz Farms" or a similar concentration camp operation - which, I submit, should put them entirely in the "processed" catagory (birds stuffed with GMO corn and God-knows-what-else).

Factory farmed foods are the "fast food" of the non-processed food world, having more empty calories, fewer vitamins, etc. than produce grown using real soil built-up with natural fertilizers, etc. 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:27 | 3043136 Kreditanstalt
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Yes...I was a bit surprised at his cheap eggs and wondered the same thing.

Here on Vancouver Island I have a choice of (good) free range eggs from neighbours for about US$3.50/dozen or supermarket eggs at anywhere from $2.50-5.50 a dozen...I always take the former!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:49 | 3043220 Tsunami Wave
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Cue Hedgeless Horseman's nice and drooly pictures of his organic food...:

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:54 | 3043243 oddjob
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Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:54 | 3043244 Flakmeister
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What part of the Island?

I lived in Victoria for about 5 years...

Ever hit the Scarlet Ibis up near Port Hardy?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:57 | 3043250 oddjob
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Some traffic jams on Blanshard last 5 years.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:21 | 3043366 Flakmeister
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I always got a kick out the mad dashes to and from Swartz Bay...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:28 | 3043763 Kreditanstalt
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The Alberni Valley...great! Cheap housing, cheaper food, low-ish taxes...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 11:51 | 3045429 Flakmeister
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Nice.... Have spend many a wonderful times around Tofino...

How much does salmon go for now?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:00 | 3043268 Shell Game
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Yep, he surely cheated with 'Auschwitz' eggs (lol!).  I'm in the N. Seattle area and shop at my local Indian grocery (JD's Market). Very good produce and selection, I get all my canning and drying veggies and fruits there. 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:02 | 3043281 pursueliberty
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Where are you buying non gmo feed?  Non of my feed sources supply a labeled chicken feed that states non gmo corn, you'd almost have to plant non gmo corn to feed your own chickens.  You could label gmo corn organic i'm sure.  Chickens require medicated feed at certain intervals for various problems.

My inlaws are chicken farmers, you know the kind who raise chickens to eat in big houses 64k at a time.  There isn't a single thing wrong with farm raised chicken other than the feed if you are are anti gmo.  It is all about keeping the birds at a certain temp, certain light, lots of water and food, and not a lot of room to move.  Pretty simple process.

I have egg chickens and I feed them.  I'm building a free range pen in the spring that will have room for 500 chickens.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:22 | 3043368 Sean7k
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Just for starters. There are plenty more. 

All the spray pesticides are wonderful and the crammed conditions and feces and dead chickens. Nothing wrong with that at all. Require medicated feed? Wonder what chickens did before medicated feeds? Couldn't have died out.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:51 | 3043841 pursueliberty
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You clean the dead out twice a day, and when is poop a problem, other than keeping the amonia level in check?  Chickens will eat thier own poop, drink water they pooped in, etc.  They are pretty nasty creatures, just a step or two away from a pig.  You ever had pigs?

Medicated feed is a must in large farming, but I'm sure it gets your ole ladys green panties in a wad.


I'm too rural for anyone to carry the product you showed, and it would probably be out of my budget anyway.  I cannot say a single person would give the extra money for that around here, but I am friends with a feed store owner so I'll hit him up. 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:42 | 3043441 ceedub
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I pay $30 for 50# of non gmo feed from a local supplier in KY.

How big is your 500 chicken free range plot?  Judging by your cheerleading for big Ag im guessing about 500sqft?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:28 | 3043601 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Where in KY? I need some of that, could you post a number or link?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:42 | 3043811 pursueliberty
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Thats some high dollar feed, but if it makes you happy stay with it.

It will be much bigger than 500sq, I'm not hurting for space.  I'm not cheerleading big ag, but 95% of people won't or cannot breed/raise/eat thier own chickens.  That is why you have chicken farmers.  There is nothing wrong with farmed chicked.  I'd own a chicken farm if one came up for sale closer to my existing business, which might happen one day.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:18 | 3044113 Citxmech
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Obviously, once you go commercial - your market will determine what kind of process is appropriate for your area - That's one of the things I like about Western WA - folks here will pay for higher quality produce at farmer's markets -so free-ranging birds on a small homestead scale is very possible - which cuts down on the feed costs dramatically btw.

Right now we're working on setting up a small farm with pasture-raised chickens for meat/eggs.  Planning on adapting a rotational-grazing system with heritage cows, goats, and pigs once we get things sorted (fisrt order of business is getting the orchard fenced and planted!).

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 02:36 | 3045095 goldfish1
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Am buying my first organic pork this winter.

We gleened all the extra butternut squash, broccoli, kale, apples and potatoes from our org gardens the day after Thanksgiving. Maybe 400 pounds in all. The local growers helped to gather it for their pigs. It was really a pleasure to do that work.

The big fat momma orchard pig grabbed one of those butternut squash and was practically throwing it up in the air and catching it. Wiggling her large ass with delight. Good to know where your food comes from.

Good to grow your own.


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:29 | 3043604 Citxmech
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See  We get ours at Bothell Feed and one of the local Mud Bays might carry some of their products too.

We use their layer feed and scratch - supplementing with kitchen scraps and any free-rangey goodies they can scare-up in the yard and around the garden.

Currently, our flock is sized for personal use only and we're not using supplemental lighting to force our chooks to lay in the winter, preferring to give them a rest and aim for a higher production over the long term.  The eggs last so long, we have been successful stockpiling enough to get us through the winter with no problems.  I don't think we've ever had a single egg go bad!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:37 | 3043622 Tijuana Donkey Show
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I hit them with the light after they molt, and they recover a bit. They are fine to keep laying if you up the feed quality.


Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:37 | 3043418 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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I think the point was that you could get good, assimilable protein in those eggs, vs eating some crappy fried nuggets-o-mystery-meat.

There are other options vs regular large grocery stores, which I think are a total ripoff. Restaurant supply stores are a great place to shop. Same for fruit/veggie wholesalers. Not all require wholesale licenses, many are cash and carry and don't care who you are. I can get bacon for 99 cents/lb (regardless of whether you think bacon's healthy), 50 lbs of potatoes for $9, 50 lbs of onions for $10-12, 50 lbs of rice for $20-25. The rice will not go bad, but even the potatoes will stay for months, or you can sell excess at cost, or slightly above, with your neighbors.

Anyway, the point is that some folks will be creative and make it go right, and some will make any damn excuse for eating crap.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 19:14 | 3044243 Citxmech
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You know - the funny part about "unhealthy" food is that stuff like bacon and eggs used to be plenty healthy.  Lots of old-timers worked hard on the farm into their 80s eating that stuff.

Turns out when you feed animals (and plants for that matter) a diet of crap - they end up being unhealthy - just like the folks who then eat them.

Here's a pretty good summary of some issues with factory chickens:

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 00:02 | 3044927 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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From your excellent reference:

"When humans eat soy fed chickens these estrogen mimicking hormones can accumulate causing various health problems"

AKA Limp Dick Syndrome!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:29 | 3043127 vast-dom
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even in dumpty dirty chinatown here in nyc you would not score such a deal. and i'd rather not know where that produce came from...


in los angeles at the farmer's market just those bags of oranges would set you back $10. the eggs are $4 for HALF DOZEN. those are markets in Santa Monica, Hollywood, etc.


maybe some other clueless rubes can take some pics of their potatoes and turkeys next. 

next up: how cheap produce in Belize may be acquired on a field trip with John McAfee.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:29 | 3043394 taxpayer102
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Inexpensive real food from all over the world at the Dekalb Farmers Market near Atlanta.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 02:41 | 3045102 goldfish1
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The nutrition in one of those organic real free range chicken eggs is likely as much as three of those mass produced gmo fed eggs.

Same with potatoes and turkeys.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:32 | 3043152 Quantum Nucleonics
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Where they exist (lots on the west coast), Asian markets have some the most competitive prices.  Asian shoppers tend to be very cost conscious.  If more were as frugal, you'd see lower prices at regular grocery stores.  Asian markets tend to have lower cost structures that make lower prices feasible - older, second tier real estate, non-union labor, etc.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:14 | 3043342 mkhs
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And a propensity to substitute melamine for milk.  Be careful, you get what you pay for, including facsimile food.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:39 | 3043627 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Asian is not just chinese........

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:19 | 3050990 mkhs
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No, but they seem to have a lot of chinese products.  The local Japanese market is about half and half. It is a question of price and the chinese have the best price.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:37 | 3051011 akak
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Asian is not just chinese........

Nor is "Asian" just Oriental.

The word "Asian" is so broad and all-encompassing as to be almost useless --- particularly when it is (misleadingly) misused for the word "Oriental", which some mindless, hyper-politically-correct, clueless idiots apparently believe to be offensive (much to the amusement of many of the Oriental-Americans whom I know).

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:22 | 3044120 SilverRhino
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Just watch out for the smell.  Holy crap some of those places smell like a week-dead fish rotting in the sun. 

Oddly enough the produce is good, but the meats?  FORGET IT. 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:41 | 3043191 A Lunatic
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Grapefruits were on sale @ 2/$1 this week..........

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:09 | 3043317 Eally Ucked
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Whatever, I just want to know what recipe he will use to prepare meal out of those products in his two exhibits. All together 15$. 30 days/month = 450$. Is it enough for 2 people or just 1, or maybe family of 4?

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