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Increasingly it is appearing that all those things formerly considered "fixed", are not. Latest case in point, Egypt where despite the general population's very finite attention span having been fully exhausted on all things Cairo-related back in the spring of 2011, the locals counterrevolutionary natives are once more getting restless and absent some miracle, the days of the US puppet appointed "democrat"-cum-self appointed dictator Mursi are numbered.

From Reuters:

Egyptian protesters broke through a barbed wire barricade keeping them from the presidential palace in Cairo on Friday and some climbed onto army tanks and waved flags.

 

Up to 10,000 protesters had been penned behind the barrier, guarded by tanks that were deployed on Thursday after a night of violence between supporters and opponents of the Islamist president, Mohamed Mursi, in which seven people were killed.

 

Demonstrators cut the barbed wire and hundreds swarmed through and surged up to the walls of the palace, some kissing the police and military guards surrounding it. "Peaceful, peaceful," they chanted.

 

Troops of the Republican Guard, which had ordered rival demonstrators to leave the vicinity on Thursday, moved to the front gate to secure the main entrance to the palace.

Then again, who cares about such trivial things as the failure of US liberated, formerly dictatorial regimes, when there are the daily gyrations of AAPL to ruminate over.

 


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Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:43 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Panama FTW, bitchez!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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the Muslim Brotherhood running things won't change the fact that we are shipping 200 new Abrams battle tanks and a few dozen new F-16s over-can't let a little thing like despotism from the MIComplex making a buck

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Those tanks and planes don't fire into zones that have chemical weapons stored, that is a crime against humanity.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:15 | Link to Comment john39
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the MIC has been slaughtering hummanity for a long time...  why would they stop now?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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Maybe the Mayans were right with the whole 12/21/12 bit?

http://www.SpiritOfTruthBlog.com

 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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The Mayan predictions are 100% correct:

 

the 13th Baktun will end, and

the 14th Baktun will start.

Just think, the end of the 13th Baktun was predicted thousands of years ago! 

I predict- the 15th Baktun will begin in about 394 years.

 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment fourchan
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lol they are smelling the true muslem rule, they had their country hijacked by the talaban.

 

woman killings, rape and religious police to continue. dumbass suckers.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:05 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Pyramid.....the great everlasting achievement of the pharoahs in the history of human civilization was to use human physical suffering to build a 3D triangle.

 

In 1000 years humans would look at americans and say, all that suffering for goldman sachs high rise and ugly McMansions?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:07 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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I for one appreciate 'all' the links, CPL!

every single one- Thanks 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment CPL
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Information is an equalizer.  Brings the conversation to the present and where everyone stands.  

The underlying thread is someone is attempting to push good men to do bad things but for no decernable purpose or rational agenda.  I often wonder how shitty of a life these people must have had to make them so crazy and angry at the world to build toys that kill and make people fear their governments.  Suppose some folks are driven by external validation that any bad outcome is a good thing in their books.

 

 

 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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As much as I hate to drop youtube movie clips, especially ones done on a shaky betacam pointed at the Magnavox for chrissakes, I feel this most accurately describes the decision to keep the MB very well-armed with the state-of-the-art in killpower, and is worth the watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3OCGzoLVNc

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment CPL
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There is no technology.

Just the will power to do bad things.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The Egyptians are my heroes.  They are not cowards like Americans.  They will not accept hillary and our dear Mullah's Al Qeada/M Bro Hood stooges.

Americans watch TV and Hollywood's brainwashing crap. The US military and officer corps are cowards along with the Joint Chiefs and Pentagon.   As long as they get their budget and cheap booze and cigs at the PX.  Cowards.    

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment MrTouchdown
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Don't forget the prescription drugs by the bucket load from the VA!

 

The Egyptians have woken up to the fact that their elections are channel stuffed with a bunch of stool pigeons, but they haven't yet woken to the fact that they don't need leaders. Until that happens, this is a broken record that will continue to repeat. I think they will wake up to it, but it's going to be a few more iterations.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:25 | Link to Comment bagehot99
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Americans should be in DC hanging everybody we can catch from lamp posts. Better yet, drop a fucking neutron bomb on the place at 2pm on a business day.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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there are only two problems with your suggestions-

 

  1. you have neither a neutron bomb,
  2. nor any rope.
Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment JR
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Let Eric Margolis, who paints a picture quite different from ZH’s and the MSM’s of the Muslim Brotherhood…assuage your fears regarding the "M Bro Hood stooges":

Excerpted from Egypt Headed for an Explosion : (June 2, 2012)

Egypt did not stage its revolution so that Mubarakist autocracy and the fierce police state that kept it in power could return. So that the circles of corrupt businessmen and cronies around Mubarak could resume their plundering of the economy. Or so that Egypt could remain under the thumb of the United States and, indirectly, Israel…

“Washington is deeply alarmed the Brotherhood may abrogate the hated, one-sided 1979 Camp David treaty with Israel. Most Egyptians rightly see the treaty as void because Israel violated one of its most important provisions: that Israel would withdraw from the West Bank and permit creation of a Palestinian state…

"It’s no coincidence young Egyptians dismiss the Brotherhood, 'your grandfather’s party.' Its conservative members, many engineers and academics, have little experience in the dirty game of politics and often appears stuffy and slow."

It was Margolis who warned before the election of Morsi that if the military won the next vote, “Egyptians could turn dangerously radical as the revolution that began in Tahrir Square goes violent.” So, now that Morsi has won, the CIA/Mossad have their jobs cut out to flame the opposition, stage the violence a la Vietnam and misquote the numbers ad nauseam as usual.

And, as Margolis further warned, when pro-Israel forces dominate in Washington, "Egypt’s nationalists and Islamists are well advised caution."

 http://ericmargolis.com/2012/06/egypt-headed-for-an-explosion/

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment FL_Conservative
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Walk like...an egyptian....

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:00 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I knew Susanna Hoffs... She was a hottie...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment pods
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I would have cut off my left one for that!  Smokin hot!

pods

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment doomandbloom
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iRebel

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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more like iFooked

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:46 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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A fact not touted in any discussion of Egypt is that it became a net oil importer in 2010. It is no coincidence that the wheels started to seriously wobble then...

The gubbmint cannot subsidize food and petrol anymore, i.e. Austerity bitchez followed by collapse...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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thanks for the fact about oil imports, I wasn't even remotely aware.  Cairo must have over 10 million people, and a lot also in Alexandria and the Nile Delta.  I wouldn't want to be one of 80,000,000 or so people living a long a river valley surrounded by sand on either side in the situation you describe.

Its another motivation for war and chaos, keep those people living in a dense population area occupied with endeavours other than their leaders.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Crash N. Burn
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Its another motivation for war and chaos, keep those people living in a dense population area occupied with endeavours other than their leaders.

 Ain't that the truth. Coincidentally - yeah right - people in different areas of study are finding the same impedements to progress. Take for example the case of Foster Gamble (Proctor and Gamble heir) trying to discover what was hindering progress in his research. He "followed the money" and guess what he found!

Thrive Full Movie

What, banksters and their oligarch owners, I'm shocked I tell ya!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment walküre
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Yikes. It's a powder keg. The sad reality is that many millions of that population will simply not be able to survive the next decade. It's best not to even think about it. Egypt is one of the oldest civilizations on record and grown to a point where it's unsustainable. What a harbinger of things to come! 7+ billion people and growing on this planet of steadily depleting resources. The vast majority of the population made possible by a century long boom of an oil-age and derivatives from oil. The age of oil or at least the age of cheap, abundant and accessible oil coming to an end. Pure unimaginable horror.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, the overall statistics of exponential growth, overshooting, and collapsing into chaos, have been abstractly obvious for several decades, especially since the 1970s, when it became too obviously clear that nothing sane was going to be done about what was then becoming too big not to notice. Instead, the decisions to entrench the established systems were made.

Within that context, it was always obvious that some countries were much more obviously write offs than others, and Egypt was one of those whose problems, combined with an adamant refusal, and practical political impossibility, to do anything sufficiently radical to resolve those problems MUST mean that it would go through insane overshoot, ending in an even more insane collapse to chaos.

Since I live in Canada, my perspective on the rest of the world is quite surreal, because, relatively speaking, from every different angle one looks at it, Canada is one of the best off countries, both now, and in most of the foreseeable futures. (Unless some MEGADISASTERS wipe us out?)  While it is possible that the USA could lose its global reserve currency status, and suffer major disruptions due to that, the Canadian dollar mostly just gets stronger, and so buying food and fuel on the world markets is not yet driving prices to sky rocket ... In fact, from the perspective of most Canadians, considering that our possible housing bubble has not popped, and so on, the rest of the world's problems do not really exist, within the actual experience of most Canadians ... so far ... Canada is one of the few countries which is still AAA credit rating, and only in debt slavery, but has not yet crossed the threshold into debt insanity. Similarly, it would be impossible to imagine Canadians rioting, when unemployment levels, etc., are nowhere close to the levels that it would take to make enough Canadians desperate enough.

Therefore, from where I actually live, all of these runaway insane social and political problems are still theoretical and abstract, the way that they have always been for several decades. I have been riding the imaginary dragon, seriously worrying about things which intellectually were completely compelling, but which otherwise did not actually exist, and still do not actually exist in any real ways, within my little world.

Clearly, there are places where there IS a crunch of collapse, into chaos, from exponential growth, having overshot, and so, finally hitting the wall, and bouncing off, to go over the cliff, and EGYPT is one of those places where that more or less has already happened. There is NOTHING whatsoever in any of the kinds of political protests in Egypt that I know about which reveals to me the slightest indication of any better resolution of the problems there. Instead, it is simply unbearable stress, under which people regress, and make things get even worse than before, causing more stress, and more regression, to make things continue to get even worse.

The kinds of human and industrial ecologies which would be necessary to resolve any place like Egypt's real problems are nowhere remotely close to being able to be successfully advanced within its political culture. While, at the same time, it is hitting the wall, and bouncing back off the cliff, where any more exponential growth is practically impossible.

Elsewhere, in some places, like Canada, more exponential growth is still possible for a while, and therefore, the political cultures there are able to continue on autopilot, without having to ever notice or seriously talk about their being any real limits. Considering that those cultures are way, way too insane to be able to do that, we are still "lucky" that growth is still possible, and so, we can keep on doing the same old stupid things, for a while longer.

However, in places like Egypt, and a long list of other places, which are more than half of the world now, the ability of the established systems to keep on growing bigger, or to recover, and get back to growing, appears to be practically impossible. Therefore, they must go through profound paradigm shifts in their politics. However, they are also now demonstrating that human politics is way, way too INSANE to be able to do anything like that. Instead, as things get tough, the "tough" that get going are the most fanatically insane members of their societies.

"Pure unimaginable horror" becomes the only plausible future, since the paradigm shifting in politics that would otherwise be necessary is practically impossible. The ruling elites already made their own practical resolutions to prepare for nothing but war and martial law. The established systems decided to do their best to entrench themselves in their positions, and to fortify their social stupidities, with layer after layer of deliberate ignorance. Therefore, the paths we are on appear to be that the only ways to "fix" the real problems are through genocidal wars, and democidal martial law. Egypt is becoming one of the obvious case studies of Neolithic civilization destroying itself, in ways that make it impossible to evolve to become a Translithic civilization, until we are on the other side of having gone crazy, and collapsed into chaos, since we could not do anything else.

Having a "Muslim Brotherhood" seize political power, and having that fail to work, is the kind of expected thing, which will make things worse, and then make things get still worse, and worse ... for the foreseeable future ...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment SWIFT 760
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Wake the fuck up...Canada is run by the jewshit kikenvermin mafia. Plans for Canada are unfolding.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:20 | Link to Comment resurger
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How about Hosni Mubarak bring some of his fortunes back to people, maybe they can subsidize ?

$40-70bn is LOTS OF MONEY!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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How about WE go back and get it.  That money pretty much came from us, and he stole it.  Lets take it back and spread some of it around here.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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For shits and giggles lets assume 45 billion, that works out to ~$500 per capita. Assume a subsidy of 50 cts a day per capita, how long does 45 billion last?

NVFL

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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Wish that we'd see that here...!

Maybe cheap Twinkies are "the opiate of the masses" now...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Egypt was the place that kicked a phaoroh to the curb for saying he was the God of men (Akhenaten).  America is a place that will depict a leader as a Saint while he wars across the globe and takes away rights at home.

America has Stockholm syndrome and we only know abuse from our leaders.  We have grown to accept punishment as nurture.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment john39
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its because he was well trained to smile, roll up his sleeves, and talk about 'helpin folks'... as he shivs them in neck...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The Pentagon, Joint Cheifs, military officers, American pubic and GOP are cowards.   These Egyptians have loads more stones and the Egyptian military are far less thugs then our lot.

As long as the US military brass have cheap islamic spy whores in Tampa(x) like "Ms. Kelly" and other nasty poon - they are happy.  Betrayus, Weasel Clark, Colon Powell and other PX warriors.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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The multicultural clusterfuck that the jew supremacists turned America into is too mired in intergroup strife-exactly as the jew supremacists planned it. Latest multicultural mayhem, from Hawaii of all places:

December 06, 2012

Lockdowns, violence closing Kealakehe High School

Kealakehe High School will be closed Friday in the wake of two days of violence and lockdowns stemming from racial and cultural tensions that have led to eight arrests and multiple fights breaking out on campus.

Principal Wilfred Murakami said several incidents on campus that began Wednesday and hit a boiling point on Thursday were the result of an ongoing "issue of people bullying through racial and cultural taunts. The result overflowed on the Micronesian side where there was frustration, yelling and screaming — a reaction."

 

 

 

 

http://westhawaiitoday.com/sections/community-bulletin/lockdowns-violence-closing-kealakehe-high-school.html   

 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:52 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Well done. Lets kick Micronesians out of Hawai.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:32 | Link to Comment akak
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Not until we kick all the microcephalics out of ZeroHedge.

You're first.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment rubearish10
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It's amusing how irrelavant this is vs back in Jan/Feb 2011.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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Actually, this is now REALLY significant.  It's the future.

Just NOT important to the MSM...

 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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This being "not important" is a sign that Morsi, as a puppet, has lost support. Did he cut the strings too soon?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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more like he wouldn't play ball w/ the CIA

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment rubearish10
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REALLY significant to what segment of markets? MSM already not relavant. In case you haven't noticed, we're only about 3.5% of the highs with PM's and Crude suppressed. My take is deflationary forces remain strong and S&P 500 is of course blowing glass bubbles!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment rubearish10
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It's also amusing how irrelavant AAPL's trapdoor perofrmance is as well. Harr!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Tsar Pointless
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It's December 7th. Do you know where your Mayan calendar is?

Only 13 more shopping days remaining until it's the end of the world as we know it.

And - yeah - I do feel fine.

It's quite amusing that a nation replete with sun worshipers (Amerikkka) is so joined at the hip with a country that worshiped the sun so much, it built pyramids to replicate the sun's rays (I'm talking about Egypt, of course).

Amerikkka has SO MUCH in common with the ancient Egyptians. Too bad most Amerikkkans are too stupid to know this.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:55 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Ever wonder what happened to the capstones on the pyramids?... Surely Vatican City, the City of London, & the District of Columbia have some idea...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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No.

Never. Why you ask?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment walküre
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The gold from those capstones was the foundation to our current civilization. Big capstones, rare and most valuable currency with intrinsic value.

Where did earth's gold come from again?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:10 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Cash for Gold

~~~

By all means ~ trade your counterfeit paper joobux for a rare element that arrived from supernova explosions emanating from interstellar space... 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:25 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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Mind = blown

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Lets_Eat_Ben
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The apocolypse is fine by me as long as it's before Christmas.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:49 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I can assure you that the apocalypse will arrive before Christmas...

~~~

On another note... I lived in Italy for a dozen years... I was driving up the E45 the first year I was there and there was this DETOUR where you had to get off the highyway for about 6 km... There was a sign there that said [translated], 'completion of project in June' [year omitted]... 12 years later the same detour (& sign) were there...

So yes, the apocalypse will arrive before Christmas...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment pods
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Damn, that sounds like Scranton!

pods

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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That's odd, Scott "I suck corporate dick" Wapner and his merry band of book-talking fuckheads aren't talking about this.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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midnight at the oasis...take your camel to bed

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:56 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I only need the camel toe... You can have the rest of the camel...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:02 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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ME dudes are down for the hole an-chee-lada

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:53 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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and back in Belize John McAfee contemplates his decsion to relocate there in 2008 notwithstanding the age of consent being the ripe old age of 16

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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I'll have what he's snorting.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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do you snort bath salts?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:13 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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errrm no.  On second thoughts I have a lot of family responsibilites and things to do tomorrow so I take it back.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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So a bunch of elitist westerners in suits with a few generations of hubris at their backs decided to interfere in a country with a society and culture thousands of years old and it didn't work out as planned?  I'm not shocked.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Beg pardon???

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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"Beg pardon???"

I believe that western leaders instigated the "Arab Spring" using facebook and twitter (amongst other methods) to unsettle the region and gain or exert greater influence, or that was the original intent.  The more they push and prod though, the more they just simply lose control.

Another way to put it is, IMO, they "shook around a hornets nest thinking they had the situation under control and they could manipulate the hornets, but while they've been struggling to get the hornets to calm down and get back in the nest, they look to the horizon and notice that packs of lions, jackals and wolves is watching them."

P.S. I gave you a thumbs up for the question, you made me lol, besides nothing wrong with a question.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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You have no idea what is going on in Egypt.

The protesters are the Egyptian version of the Tea Party movement.  They want real freedoms, not a substitute teacher.  Everything needs to be transparent and not divisive.

The Muslim Brotherhood thought they could manipulate the "revolution".  Let's see how that turns out...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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Canucklehead, you mistake the motivations of my posts.  I have nothing but respect for the protestors in Egypt, they've done more for their own rights than I have or all of us have in the West. 

The last guy Mubarek was a former friend of the USA, and the USA believed at the time that they could "get in front of" and control the "Arab Spring" to get a new breed of their guys in there-which they did. 

I'm not surprised its going to pot right in front of their faces, who will TPTB serve up next to be the next ruler of Egypt?  My bet is on El Baradei.

And around and around we go until the ride stops.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:09 | Link to Comment Freddie
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No.  Obam and hillary put Mo Bro Hood aka Al Qeada in charge of these countries.   Libya was an oil grab by BP/Rothschild/Shell.  The Arab Spring is a fake smokescreen like Fiscal Cliff BS.  Don't be stupid. 

The Egyptians want no part of Obam's stooges.  These people have real guts.  Americans sit in front of TV and Hollywood's crap for their daily brainwashing and it's supports the Matrix.  Serfs. 

Do you watch TV?  I bet you do.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:37 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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By "real guts" I assume you meant "nothing to lose".

 

It will be the same here once people realise that they also have nothing to lose and anything they thought they had was merely an illusion.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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I think the Western World's geo-strategy in the Middle East is similar to a hockey tactic called "Cycling in the corners".

Everyone is chasing the puck.  The puck is dumped into a corner in the offensive end and then you play the body in the corner.  The offense cycles the puck in the corner until the defense weakens/wavers and opportunity presents itself.

I don't think the West cares much who rules Egypt, so long as the leadership is respectful and responsible.  El Baradei is too old and compromised.  I suspect if the protestors succeed, you will see a young leader who will have JFK type traits, recognizable to the Egyptians.  We may not see those traits but I suspect a nation living on $2 a day wants a vision and a future. 

The Muslim Brotherhood only looks backwards and thinks backwards.  After all, why impose dictatorial rule and then when events overtake you... ask for dialogue?  Do you want to bring the opposition leaders together and kill them?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:15 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Nobody is playing any hockey [at least NHL wise] because the jew owners & league commissioners are busy bickering amongst themselves as to how to divvy up the profits on the slaves...

In other news... Egypt 2011 = Mujahideen 1979

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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Egypt 2012.  Which character is Morsi playing... Larry, Curly, or Moe?  I think he feels he walks in the footsteps of Moe, but I suspect many see him as Curly.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:34 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I was thinking more like Charlie McCarthy...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:51 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The protesters are the Egyptian version of the Tea Party movement. They want real freedoms, not a substitute teacher. Everything needs to be transparent and not divisive.

____________________

That is possible.

But the other side is 'american' too. That is the trouble.

Watched a few vids. Impressive the numbers of Egyptians from the other side who had that 'american' answer: why cant they demonstrate peacefully? Why dont they express their disagreement by voting during the referendum?

Made me laugh.

It is the torment of 'americans'. Plenty of 'americans' all around the world and 'americans' can not get along.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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The "American" dream is the dream that all peoples share when they come to the United States.  They want an opportunity to put their best foot forward, do their best and be rewarded for it.

It doesn't always work out that way.

America pulls in people from all parts of the earth.  It is the melting pot where a Sikh can wear a turban with a rhinestone suit and be recognized everywhere as an Elvis impersonator.

Everyone shares a similar goal, but their paths differ.  Many times there is conflict because of this.  The world sees this "internal" conflict within the US as a weakness.  I think it should be looked upon as moving down the learning curve of meshing diversity with harmony.  Since the US is not there yet, heads are knocked about and a few are broken.  Mutual respect breeds respect.  Shared values breeds harmony.

The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt runs counter to all of this.  They see themselves as the top dogs and everyone else should pay homage to them.  The collective experiences of peoples around the world shows that this Muslim supremacy ideal is dead in the water.

The "Americans" you refer to in Egypt are the prototypes of Egyptians looking for a future.  There is no future in celebrating a barbaric and savage past.  Morsi has put himself and the Muslim Brotherhood in a zero-sum game with evolution.  If the Muslim Brotherhood bends, it breaks with the past.  If it cannot stop time, the protestors will win.

Look around.  Everyone is American...

 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:01 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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They wanted jobs and affordable food... and Hosni ran out of petro-bux to buy them off as he had in the past..

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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Flakmeister, after all of this I believe that you might have just hit the nail on the head.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:42 | Link to Comment Freddie
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No. This Arab Spring was manufactured in Washington/chicago.  The problem is in DC not in Egypt.  The Egyptians don't want to be manipulated like the sheep who watch Dancing with the Starsa, college ball and the NFL.  America - a nation of gadget serfs. 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:20 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Go away Freddie, the adults are discussing things....

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Lets_Eat_Ben
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You make a good point. A country with a strong sense of culture is a country with a strong sense of itself and its values and one that would not be so easily corrupted. Here in America, where our traditions are inexorably spent huddled around TVs, we don't even realize the gravity of the situation because the media has us so brainwashed that very few of us think for ourselves.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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Lets Eat Ben, exactly.  Political propaganda and marketing campaigns that are affective in Chicago may not be as affective in Cairo.  we may be talking about dark arts, but arts nonetheless, and TPTB and their minions think their leadership is a science ("political science).  They don't understand what they're dealing with, they're not dealing with lab rats even if they think they are.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:59 | Link to Comment BattlegroundEur...
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Send that cunt Hitlary Clinton in to calm things down.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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she'd be up for some fine young persian poon

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment resurger
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She has a Snuke Sir, no can do!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Probably smells like a month dead Snook.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Yes, because nothing curtails chaotic reactionary aggression within centuries-old Muslim societies at the edge of starvation like the image of a woman-in-power, especially when she wears a tweed blazer and is possibly homosexual.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Looking to be a fun weekend. " Molotov cocktails" and " Sarin gas"... Yum Yum!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Maybe Mursi is the next guy to get the Gaddafi bayonet enema?

I do hope Mr. Obama is watching from a drone-cam.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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that is working out so well for the Libyans- not that  his people wanted him gone-more like BP and Big Oil  did.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment tooriskytoinvest
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Meanwhile....

Paris: NATO-Arab Syria Intervention Imminent! US, UK & French Military Advisers Meet with FSA Inside Syria

http://investmentwatchblog.com/breaking-paris-nato-arab-syria-intervention-imminent-us-uk-french-military-advisers-meet-with-fsa-inside-syria/

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:20 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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why are the French involved-is there a Greenpeace ship that needs to be blown up?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment negative rates
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They have always been #'d, and the only question is, is it  now a 3 digit #, or perhaps a 2 digit #, or heaven forbid a ONE digit #. The world as we know it, is coming to an end! The sky is growing, and putting pressure on mother nature to burst, it must happen, it was written now wasn't it?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment sdmjake
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You know this country is asleep at the wheel when our biggest demonstrations are at a department store over some CGI elves being dissed in a commercial by a talk show host.

Can you imagine 10,000 people violently protesting outside the white house? what would our media do if several died each day in such a protest?

No wonder SNAP cards go to 1 in 6 people now...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Kent State ended that, it's shoot first, and ask questions later, they passed it as law.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:12 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Egypt has an historical bend in Western minds; its Cleopatra's land, all for grabs, like she was.

Until the Egyptians learn to stop grabbing each other like fighting momies, lost in the pyramid,  and start grabbing the colonial TEmplars, they wil stay grain for US camel fodder. 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment magpie
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Considering that the Statue of Liberty was supposed to stand in Port Said...are there any fat ladies singing in Aida ?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:51 | Link to Comment pirea
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YES, Montserrat Caballe in Aida "Triumphal Scene"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs4AtlsOwT0

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:15 | Link to Comment resurger
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I love inhaling Sarin in the morning...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:29 | Link to Comment A Middle Child ...
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I hope those crowds nut the fucking bastard when the army decides to step aside. Kill him and jam some pork rinds down his throat. Those religious pricks/dictators need to be hung by their own petards.

For all the mayhem that it has caused among the dictators of the middle east, the internet's inventor, Algore, should be the person of the year!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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I was kind of hoping for a peaceful resolution, where the whole system kind of collapsed slowly and fizzled out, and humanity evolves and we all learn to get along.  

You may say that I'm a dreamer

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Madcow
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Forget Egypt - 

When will the US be air-dropping sacks of grain to the starving people of Paris and Barcelona?

 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 My how times have changed since December 7th 1941...

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:07 | Link to Comment SaveTheGreenback
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Yeah, keep sending Billion$ in aid to Egypt.  And, yeah,  keep thinking they will honor that "peace treaty" with Israel...

 

What a disaster...

 

 

 

 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment JR
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Yeah, how many more hundreds of thousands must die in the Middle East, including Americans, as the price of the U.S.A.'s "peacekeeping" mission for the state of Israeli aggression?

Meanwhile: “In the past 10 years alone (written September 2011), Americans have given Israel the equivalent of approximately $200,000 per Israeli family of five. In addition, there have been weapons subsidies, loan forgiveness programs, special trade preferences, and other generous gifts from American taxpayers to Israel. In fact, despite being one of the world’ smallest nations, Israel receives more U.S. tax money than any other country.”

http://original.antiwar.com/alison-weir/2011/08/31/american-taxpayers-subsidize-israels-prosperity/

As to whom we have supported:  Time Magazine framed it this way a while back::

“What’s clear at the moment is that there’s no great quarrel between the Israeli and American militaries. They routinely operate ‘in lockstep’…with a level of mutual cooperation that was only enhanced by the United States–Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012. The bill was signed at the end of July…and promises specific hardware, like midair refueling tankers, not previously forthcoming in the $3 billion annual military aid package from Washington. There’s every reason for the militaries to get along famously these days.”

Or, as Jacob Heilbrunn at the National Interest has written, Obama “condemned the Palestinian drive for statehood at the United Nations. Not enough. He awarded Israel $3 billion in military assistance, an all-time high. Not enough. He repeatedly avowed his commitment to Israel’s security and well-being. Still not enough.”

Or, as Vice President Joe Biden said in his praise of arming Israel to the teeth on the American way to WWIII:”We’ve provided record levels of security assistance, funding for the Iron Dome missile defense system that intercepted nearly 80 percent of the rockets recently fired from Gaza, close collaboration on longer range missile defense systems, the largest joint military exercises in history, the most consistent and comprehensive exchanges ever between our top political, defense, security and intelligence officials.” …

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment JR
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The revolution in Egypt to unseat a U.S./Israeli puppet, Murbarak, wasn’t over when elections were held because the U.S.-backed military and Mubarak loyalists were still in power. The Muslim Brotherhood, which campaigned and won a majority of positions, then faced Zionists-supported  protests to create what they hoped would be a counterrevolution bringing Mubarak loyalists back to power.

Obviously, there are legitimate oppositions to a strict Islamic government but Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood had no choice but to override an army-connected justice system until free elections and a constitution could be agreed upon by a majority of the Egyptian people.

Now with CIA and Mossad supported protests in the streets, primarily of liberals, the Zionist-connected media such as Reuters just can’t wait until another Mubarak is installed.

For Zero Hedge to suggest that Morsi is a candidate for a U.S. puppet is to suggest that Morsi supports Israel over a stable Egypt. And it is to suggest that the Muslim Brotherhood, after all these years, has decided to give in to the Zionists.

How long will low information peoples, including those in the United States, allow the Zionist-controlled media to misidentify and misinterpret important elections and events  -- even to the total destruction of their own freedom?

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:53 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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"For Zero Hedge to suggest that Morsi is a candidate for a U.S. puppet is to suggest that Morsi supports Israel over a stable Egypt."

No. People can agree on certain things and disagree on others and life goes on.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 19:17 | Link to Comment JR
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That was an incorrect response. People can do what they want but we weren’t talking about that, we were talking about a fact.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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To be honest, I know little about the real factions in Egypt and their motivations. The Muslim Brortherhood obviously wants a government with strong ties to Islamic law and strict religious influence over civil life. The so called liberals, appear to see the west as a model, one in which presonal freedoms trump religious governance. I do know that Egypt's former rulers were wholly in the US and Israel camp and goverened as an agent of US and Israeli foreign policy.

Egypt suffers from overpopulation for the resources at hand, that much is clear. Their domestic oil has run down to where imports are needed, thus foreign currency must be earned. Food seems to be a growing problem. They depend on world market prices to supplement domestic agriculture. Many say that world food prices rising over the last three years due to drought in major grain growing areas helped to trigger the Arab Spring.

The US has tried hard to start and control the outcome of the Arab spring civil unrest. Libya is the key example and Syria is being run modelled on Libya. SOmehow the USA has allied itself with Muslim groups like Al-Qaeda and the more moderate Muslim Brotherhood movement. In Libya NATO armed and provided air support for know Al_Qaeda terrorists, in Syria we have gone further and become a major military and diplomatic supporter of all extremist Muslim groups that seek to take over Syria from a secular, multi cultural government. It seems clear that the USA thinks they can control the Muslims once they have gained a victory. So far this is not working so well, as we saw in Libya, blow back killed some US elements that were working with Al-Qaeda to recruit Jihadists for tranfer to Turkey and then arm them for infiltration into Syria and join forces with the Free Syrian Army.

My guess is the USA is playing a dangerous game to get control of the Middle East from Iran to Lebanon. Using the Muslim extremists and Jihadist movements against unfriendly secular governments seems to be the model. Libya and Syria both confirm this.

That old bitch Ms. Clinton has made clear that her priority is Israel and the interests of that state, her desire to please them is clear and her actions are based on Israel first and the USA only in as far as she can make the USA a direct agent of Israeli military power. She is taking out Syria to clear the way for Israel to annex the entire Golan heights as a military zone and to provide room for Israeli settlements. Once Syria ceases to exist, Lebanon will be pushed into civil war, Israel will use the power vacum to take southern Lebanon, destroy Hezbolla, capture the water resource there, build a military buffer zone and build settlements. After this the war moves on to Iran, Iran will be attacked by Israel to trigger the US into invading. Iran will be split on ethnic divides. The USA will conquer the oil fields and put a puppet government in to rule a rump Iran loyal to NATO, Israel and the USA.

Once the entire Middle East is under NATO military control, Israel will be safe to continue to expand and expunge Gaza and build settlement there. Russia and China are next on the list, but only after the Middle East is secured and locked down as NATO puppets and Israel is expanded and rearmed to be masters of the western Middle East while the USA runs the eastern Middle East as a base for Amry bases, Air fields and naval ports for the USN. This puts the USA in postion for the long war against China and Russia.

This is a long winded post, but the USA is in this for long term interests. Thus it needs a lot of writting to lay out the broader plans. To get to where the USA controls the entire Middle East, at least a million or more citizens of Syria, Lebanon and Iran will have to be killed. The US government will call it collateral damage and claim to be spreading freedom, the American people will believe it and support the wars, and wave the flag and send their children to kill in the name of American military expansion.

This story is just beginning, it is nowhere near it's end. The total cost will add around 10 trillion to the US debt. Out great grand kids will be obligated to pay for it.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:30 | Link to Comment JR
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The Arab Spring was a thirst of peoples throughout the Middle East for a future, for jobs, and for justice; but it was also a huge reaction to the impositions of the worst aspects of Western immorality and military intervention into their lives.

The opposition to Western immorality carried to the Middle East by the Sexual Revolution in movies, videos, and the Internet translates into an Islamic resistance.

According to Culture Wars, “The Islamic revolution of 1979 was in reality part of the sexual counter-revolution that was sweeping the world at that moment in time.”

In January 1979, the Shah boarded a plane and flew into exile. In February of 1979, the Ayatollah Khomeini, a 79-year-old religious scholar, flew from Paris to Teheran where he was greeted by millions of followers to become the leader of the first modern Islamic revolution.

Says E. Michael Jones, author of Degenerate Moderns: Modernity as Rationalized Sexual Misbehavior: Ronald Reagan was part of that counter-revolution in America. Jimmy Carter’s support for the Shah, as well as his inept handling of the Iranian revolution of 1979 and the subsequent hostage crisis helped put Ronald Reagan in office, but the main reason Reagan won the election were the votes of the so-called ‘Reagan Democrats,’ i.e., the Catholics who had finally found a candidate who was willing to oppose the infamous 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion.

“If Catholics needed further proof of the counter-revolutionary nature of the Reagan presidency, they could point to Reagan’s alliance with Pope John Paul II to bring down atheistic Communism.”

Continues Jones, “The Republican party betrayed this counter-revolution when they aligned themselves with the Jewish Neoconservatives who led America into the military campaign against Islam in the Middle East that began with the 9/11 attacks and which currently has Iran in its sights—but that doesn’t change the fact that Reagan won the election of 1980 as a conservative sexual counter-revolutionary who was the tacit ally of the Ayatollah Khomeini…”

Concludes Jones” The random acts of violence that occur in America with depressing regularity are manifestations of the sexual revolution… These attacks will continue until Americans wrest control of their culture from the Jewish forces which have been using pornography to enslave them because as the Marquis de Sade could have explained very well, the same forces that render the majority docile, turn an equally predictable minority into violent killers.”

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 23:22 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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You know that you are crazy - don't you?    America is going to conquer China and Russia?  

 

All is not lost though - see this video about the monster that is israel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TOaxAckFCuQ

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:53 | Link to Comment forrestdweller
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90.000.000 uneducated religion indoctrinated poor people living in a shithole of a desert with only a small strip of fertile land along te nile.

what could possibly go wrong?

 

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:50 | Link to Comment JR
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What could possibly go wrong?

Men, women and children—human beings---are fertile ground for the world mission of the international bankers, the Zionist Neocon cabal and, eventually, targets for the jet aircraft, the helicopter gunships, the trigger-happy-night-vision military -- innocents made into enemies in a world of greed, conquest, immorality and injustice.

Their deaths diminish us all, including the people who bought the story of their trumpeted demise.

“If there is to be civilization, if people are to live and make their homes, there must be law.

"People often think of the law as restrictions, but it needn’t be, unless it’s carried to extremes. Laws can give us freedom, because they offer security from the cruel, the brutal, and the thieves of property.” –Louis L’Amour, Over on the Dry Side, a novel of the American frontier.

Morsi stands for law, and justice.

 Morsi defends actions, calls for national dialogue meeting by Bradley Hope  Dec 7, 2012 

  CAIRO // Egyptian president Mohammed Morsi defiantly stood by a controversial edict giving him wide powers and a planned vote on a new constitution in a speech late last night.
Mr Morsi announced a national dialogue meeting for tomorrow, inviting political forces and legal experts to discuss a road map for the country after a referendum on the constitution scheduled for December 15.
But he also made dark remarks about a conspiracy in Egypt to derail the country’s democratic transition and promised to bring to justice those who used violence or committed vandalism in protests over the past three days.
At leat six people died and more than 700 were injured in clashes outside the presidential palace on Wednesday night between Mr Morsi’s supporters and a broad coalition of liberals, anti-Islamists and secular forces.
“I state clearly and openly: while we respect of freedom of expression that is guaranteed to one and all, I cannot tolerate that any person perpetrate any killing or vandalism,” he said. “I cannot tolerate any willful act of vandalism or killing, with premeditation and full purpose, or to intimidate the unsuspecting civilians or vandalize public or private property or incite subversion against legitimacy.”
Those who “infiltrated” peaceful protests, and others who allegedly were involved in hiring “thugs” and providing weapons to youths would be found and charged with crimes, he said.
Mr Morsi defended his decision to give himself powers beyond the oversight of the judiciary as a necessary act to protect Egypt from forces bent on its instability, but suggested he would be open to an amendment on the most controversial element of the decree.
"Egypt will survive this dilemma," he said in closing. "I wish you all success and I urge you to cooperate in a friendly atmosphere. May God save our homeland and may God almighty guide our steps forward and may God's peace be upon you all."

Read more: http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/morsi-defends-actions-calls-for-national-dialogue-meeting#ixzz2EPJGuIIV

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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From reports, there's currently three main factions:

Muslim Brotherhood (pro-Morsi) are fighting with anti-Muslim.B protestors & anti-Government protestors (the two are not totally synonymous; you have Coptic Christians, secular parties, Muslim women not exactly happy with the way their rights are about to end etc). While the SCAF have brought troops & armor into to "protect the Presidental Palace", and although they initially kept the two rioting factions apart, then stepped back & a general melee ensued. They then shot a few people as it got out of hand. There's an argument that Morsi was initially attempting to enforce prosecutions of old regime toadies, but then went full retard and issued rather spurious "Zionist" charges of espionage against a variety of opposition leaders.

Bottom line: SCAF is remaining neutral, but will probably determine the outcome. Behind the scenes or not, Plus ça change (plus c'est la même chose)

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