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Egypt's Morsi Rescinds "Dictatorial" Decree

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Update: As expected, there is a "but" ... From the WSJ:

But the new declaration preserves next Saturday as the date of a referendum on a divisive proposed constitution, skirting a key demand of Mr. Morsi's opponents.

 

Selim Al Awa, a former presidential candidate and one of the lead negotiators between Mr. Morsi and his opponents, announced the new declaration in a news conference just past midnight on Sunday morning.

 

It still seemed unlikely that Mr. Morsi's partial climbdown would satisfy liberal-leaning politicians.

 

Their opposition to Mr. Morsi and his Nov. 22 declaration set off the worst constitutional crisis to afflict Egyptian politics in decades.

 

But it may ease tensions on the restive streets of Egypt's capital, where fighting between secularists and Islamists killed six people in the past week.

 

Mr. Morsi's new declaration maintains the accelerated timeline for adopting Egypt's new constitution, defying his opponents' complaints that Saturday's referendum would railroad through an Islamist-tinged constitution.

 

The concession marks only a mild sacrifice for Mr. Morsi, say the president's mostly liberal critics, because the power-expanding decree had already prevented Egypt's Supreme Constitutional Court from dissolving the constitutional drafting committee.

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While this still has to be confirmed by official Egyptian sources, both Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya are reporting that in what may be a first time in history, a "temporary" dictator - Egypt's Mohamed Morsi - has decided to end his temporary status and become one of the ordinary people again, having rescinded the much maligned decree giving him sweeping powers that brought the country to the edge of civil war and martial law less than two years after the Arab Spring removed Hosni Mubarak from decades of Egyptian rule.

From AFP:

Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi on Saturday annulled a decree he issued last month expanding his powers, an official told a Cairo news conference.

 

"The constitutional decree is annulled from this moment," said Selim al-Awa, an Islamist politician acting as spokesman of a meeting Morsi held earlier with other political leaders.

 

A referendum on a draft constitution would however still go ahead as planned on December 15, Awa said, explaining that constitutionally Morsi was unable to change the date.

 

The two issues -- the decree and the referendum -- were at the heart of anti-Morsi protests that have rocked Egypt in the past two weeks.

 

The controversial decree issued November 22 had put Morsi's decisions beyond judicial review -- a high-handed measure fiercely denounced as dictatorial by the opposition.

 

Opposition leaders demanded it be rescinded and the referendum be scrapped before they entered into any dialogue with Morsi to calm a crisis which exploded into street clashes this week that left seven people dead and hundreds injured.

 

Egypt's powerful military on Saturday warned Morsi and the opposition to sit down for talks, otherwise it would take steps to prevent a "disastrous" degradation of the situation.

Of course, we wouldn't be surprised if this update is promptly reversed shortly with yet another decree the rescinds the rescission, or is found to have been merely speculative and hopeful hearsay.

 

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Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:40 | 3046000 TruthInSunshine
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Morsillini just tweeted:

 

# I forgot the /sarc tag earlier. Just drinking Moët & chillin' in the palace.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:48 | 3046020 knukles
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What a pussy.
Fuck him.............

 

That's what happens when he thinks his successor is a non-natural born Egyptian with a doctored Kenyan birth certificate ... or something.

 

Whatever

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:15 | 3046064 Yen Cross
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 knuckles I have a lot of respect for you. Quit playing in the past. The guy is a " chocolate starfish", and lets move foreward/

  A tune for you, from Limp Bizkit/   Limp Bizkit - Take a Look Around (Theme from Mission Impossible 2) - YouTube

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:26 | 3046079 knukles
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Oh, OK YenX....
I just gotta bug up my ass with all the BullShite.
Not that I didn't see it coming, fully expected it, knew for sure, figured it was gonna be Bad, Real Bad....
Just fed the fuck up with it all.
So, my angst assuages itself with a needs to rub it in once and a while.

But you're indeed correct.
Time to move on.

Time for a new paradigm.....

"It's Obama's Fault"

Many thanks, amigo....

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:41 | 3046103 DoChenRollingBearing
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Wrong fellas.  Since we are in a ZH No BullShite Zone:

 

It`s all George Bush`s fault!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:28 | 3046174 prains
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with a side of Cheny/Rumsfeld Corp

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 00:53 | 3046480 Spirit Of Truth
Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:33 | 3046180 Yen Cross
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Gen what? You have a plug where? Relax "Joe Hardcore" , I'm on your side.  Take a breath, my Friends in Cali. say it's socked in/

  We aren't that far apart in age.

 Both the " Moon beam " Browns come to mind!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 22:12 | 3046307 Yen Cross
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Spanish Liquors/ Cinzano in a snifter/  TIS you are a "Peace Maker"  /- }

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:34 | 3046004 bobthehorse
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Morsi's toast.

His bearded Muslim head is gonna look good on a stick.

This year, the Arab Spring shall move to Europe.

Get ready for the global bread riot.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:50 | 3046023 knukles
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Nothuin' like a head on a stick to focus the mind

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:52 | 3046029 Freddie
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Notice how the NWO puts these islamo facists in a suit and sends them to a USA university for communist training.   Chase these Muslim Bro Hood f**ks out of Egypt and back to home base in chicago.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:51 | 3046110 DoChenRollingBearing
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It`s called having your ObamaCake and Egypt too.

(and no, I have not been drinking...)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:08 | 3046152 knukles
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+ bazillion

 

As Jules says to Vince in the last scenes of Pulp Fiction in the Diner... "It's like an alcoholic's moment of clarity..."

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 10:51 | 3046760 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Like a Muslim eating a piece of bacon, it's a true moment of clarity.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:54 | 3046202 Yen Cross
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Nothing, and focus on this ( one small smidgeon) of Q1 2013 guidance/

 Channel stuffing 101/

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:31 | 3046087 CPL
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He's already dead.  You would think a dictator would be sitting there pounding on a desk on camera in a bunker somewhere.

 

Anyone seen a picture of the man in a week other than stock AP news wire shit where the EXIF data isn't 2011?  nope.jpg.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:35 | 3046005 nodhannum
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Trust me!  I wouldn't recind the recission...Not until I get the armed forces all lined up.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:28 | 3046084 CPL
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Not until he goes on camera, timestamps his fat man tits and sticks a sharpie in his pooper in broad daylight with the head of the other political parties on camera and about two hundred live streams of it happening.

 

Again, nobody thinks he's alive.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:42 | 3046009 F. Bastiat
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Folks tend to forget that the Arab Spring was intended to be a model for the "Occupy" domestic insurrection conjured up by Andrew Stern and fomented by the bastard son of Frank Marshall Davis.

Of the 27 offenses submitted to a candid world in the Declaration, the regime of the bastard son of Frank Marshall Davis has committed at least seven. Plus others, new ones.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:51 | 3046027 knukles
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And so for the first fucking time without recourse, we can unequivocably say.......

 

"It's Obama's Fault"

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:22 | 3046074 Zer0head
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get ZH to tweet and it will trend #ItsObamasFault

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:28 | 3046082 knukles
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TYLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:48 | 3046120 DoChenRollingBearing
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Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!

It´s all George Bush´s fault!!!

Just ask NancyPee and AlGee......

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:42 | 3046010 booboo
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or just perhaps he wanted to out and identify his opposition leadership. This ain't over. Thuggery 101

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:43 | 3046011 Yen Cross
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  If the Egyptians were smart.  They would overrun everything, and force the Military to submit, or wage full on control of that country!

  Egypt is huge, and vast! Take over all access to ports, and communications from the military, and demand a (council of your peers) to sort out your differences/

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:53 | 3046017 Freddie
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I think the Egyptian Army is more honorable than O/Valerie Jarrent America's Irianian President/Hillary/NWO/Pritzker/Crown/et al Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qeada stooges. 

I think the Egyptian people have more stones than brainwashed American idiots watching propagaanda in HD and the cowardly Pentagon.   I hope the Egyptian people and Army chase this vermin out of Egypt and back to Chicago.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:57 | 3046031 Yen Cross
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This ain't the Hillary crowd/ This is a buch of pissed off fed up locals!

 several million of them/ Egypt 86 million people.  20 million want Freedom/ 20 million are old/ 20 million are going to the Hague if they don't comply, for "war crimes"! BITCHEZ

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:58 | 3046036 Freddie
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?  Hillary's crowd is O's crowd which is Muzzie Bro Hood/Al Qeada.  O is the head of Al Qeada now.  I am all for the Egyptian people to chase this NWO/USSA/Rahm/Axelroid/Crown/Pritzker/Chicago-IslamoFacist scum out of Egypt.

People power.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:06 | 3046045 Yen Cross
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 Freddie you are excited. {understandably}  Take those thoughts and make them (legible).

 You are a smart z/h contributor.

 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:10 | 3046054 Freddie
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Thanks. :-)  Sorry.  I am really wound up.  I really hope the Egyptian people stop this evil scum.  It is great seeing brave people stand up to evil vermin.  Hopefully they are seeing through all the lies. 

The best sign was one fellow saying we don't want your Obama dictator or something like that. 

Meanwhile back in O Land aka the Home of The Free (free Obamaphone) - the sheep stumble towards slaughter.  :-( 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:16 | 3046065 Yen Cross
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Keep kicking ass!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:57 | 3046137 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hey Freddie!

Why would we want all the scum (O, HC, Morsi, Jarrett, Nancy P, Al Gore, Harry Reid -- my fingers tire...) here, even in Chicago?  Let´s send them all to Egypt or Somalia... 

;-)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 21:03 | 3046218 Jena
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Please.  Don't forget Susan Rice.  I know she's an underling but she has plenty of blood on her hands.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 21:08 | 3046225 Yen Cross
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Girls will be girls/ Well done Jena ;-)

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 18:18 | 3047397 DCFusor
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Why do you keep leaving out Barney Frank?  If you're going to pick someone to blame things on, he's right up there.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 10:51 | 3046758 jekyll island
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The Egyptians are hungry because food is so expensive and unemployment is over 20%.  That is why they are demonstrating.  In the US, you get a check.  

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:01 | 3046040 F. Bastiat
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Ditched my cable service, got rid of my TV in 2006.  Good riddance.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:47 | 3046016 rsnoble
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Just another example of the elite trying to rush ahead for the kill without taking the time for their evil plan to work and knowing it's a race against time.  Those rioters should just attempt to steal guns and shoot the motherfucker in the face.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:01 | 3046041 Freddie
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+10

Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qeada are NWO/CFR/Bilderburger/Hope & Change stooges.

HQ is in Europe and Chicago and probably Riyahd.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:02 | 3046141 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 10

Forward, Stooges! Forward to HQ!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:48 | 3046018 XOFnews
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Breaking News: Record number of military go AWOL.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:50 | 3046024 Freddie
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Where?  Egypt or President Valerie Jarret (the Iranian slumlord c*nt from chicago) of the USSA?

When the SHTF - hopefully the military will know who's side to be on.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:14 | 3046062 john39
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military men are "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.- Henry Kissinger

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:21 | 3046070 Yen Cross
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I'll bet you were young dumb and full of cum @ 18 JOHN39?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:34 | 3046093 john39
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certainly.... but that piece of garbage kissinger was talking about the generals.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:16 | 3046160 Yen Cross
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 Robert Mc Namara comes to mind. That was another piece of trash/

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:52 | 3046028 nmewn
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Trust me, I'll pull out.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:59 | 3046037 Yen Cross
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 You> DeNiro to Ben Stiller.  You, I have my eyes on you.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:33 | 3046091 nmewn
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Hey, you talkin to me? Huh, you talkin to me?!?! ;-)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:17 | 3046161 Yen Cross
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Good fellas/ always...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:02 | 3046039 falak pema
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when you pull the strings like Obammy and Hillary you do have many chords to your lyre; and many players in your orchestra...The important thing was to marginalise Hamas in Gaza. He did it for US/Israel axis. Now when it comes to Egypt, if he is too demanding, he can be replaced.

Egypt is like the army of Pak, and Irak. 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:06 | 3046046 Freddie
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I think the Egyptian people have saw through this fake election (like our 2008/2012) and the Gaza smokescreen BS.  These people have stones - literally to throw and balls.  They dealt with this Pharoh sh*t before.

The Egyptian people are not sitting on their a*s watching college ball, Bob Costas, NFL, NASCAR, Dancing with The Who*res, and the other HD brainwashing crap from our dear mullah and his Chicago/Hollywood/NYC TV and media gang of liars.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:36 | 3046097 lakecity55
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<O-Phone

<Morsi

Vote for Best Dictator!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:13 | 3046042 Banksters
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Morsi should have done what the powers do here:   spread titties and beer far and wide, and then shove shit down their throats.   Nothing cracks me up more than when an appartchik politico states that they need to spy on us to keep us safe- SEE SEDITION.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:05 | 3046047 lakecity55
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Yes! Egyptians rise up and overthrow the O'Phone Regime!

(oh, wait. wrong dictator).

 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:13 | 3046059 F. Bastiat
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It's going to take more than Lake City 55, that's for sure. Black Hills 262 might be a better fit.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:32 | 3046089 lakecity55
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BREAKING NEWS:

 

Morsi To Switch Leadership Jobs With O-Phone.

Morsi to arrive in DC Monday, O-Phone already headed to Cairo.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:39 | 3046104 nmewn
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BREAKING NEWS:

O'Barry Wants Congress to Cede It's Authority to Him in "Fiscal Cliff" Talks.

Nothing says dictator like overseeing the military and the purse.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:45 | 3046115 F. Bastiat
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Fuck the despot.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:55 | 3046134 nmewn
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I couldn't believe it when I read it...and no one called him out on it...it was just called a non-starter.

A non-starter?

Its not acceptable for him to even contemplate it, it shows where his heads at.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:05 | 3046149 DoChenRollingBearing
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How many times do I have to keep telling you guys?

WHATEVER the problem:

It´s ALL George Bush´s Fault!!

(sheesh...)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:57 | 3046211 Yen Cross
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  It's not/ Harold and Kumar said so! :-)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:06 | 3046049 JR
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It turns out Morsi wasn’t a dictator at all; a dictator is like Mubarak who never moved while people died and blood was flowing in the streets.

To call Morsi a "temporary" dictator is an insult to free peoples; an incorrect interpretation of the facts of the case.

Morsi was unable to negotiate with a judiciary that was bent on dissolving Parliament. Morsi was the opposite of a dictator; he was a brave man. To make a joke of this makes one wonder where people are coming from.  Zionists we understand; but jokesters are harder to figure.

Are the lives and futures of the Egyptian people so cheap that an attempt to eventually give them justice and peace would bring to one’s mind the horrible reign of a man like Benito Mussolini? I am ashamed to have witnessed this display.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:34 | 3046076 Yen Cross
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Morsi thought he would have control over resourses/ He thought that "ports of entry" and "routes for trade", were secure/ He thought wrong!

 The Egyptians have fought nearly 3 years for

Liberty. They are not going to give up.!

  The U.S. policy has it's thumb up it's proverbial arse!

  Haven't any of you learned anything from the (Spanish, British, Dutch, Portuguese,) over the Centuries?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:32 | 3046182 JR
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Excellent points, as usual, Yen.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:36 | 3046184 Yen Cross
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 I'm playing with knuckles J.R./  You got my vote 5 years ago :-)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:39 | 3046105 booboo
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"Morsi was the opposite of a dictator; he was a brave man"

Was?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:58 | 3046111 nmewn
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I'm going to have to disagree JR, respectfully.

As I jokingly said above...how can the people or his peers trust him now after this attempted power grab?

His mask slipped.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:21 | 3046168 Yen Cross
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I have called J.R. out a few times.  nmewn, at least the guy does his homework, so I can "critique" it...

  J.R. does wear a thick mask  V

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:35 | 3046179 JR
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His masked slipped, nmewn? I don’t think so.

We must all remember that Morsi was elected in the middle of a revolution. And with his first day in office he was powerless in the face of a strong military still aligned with Mubarak loyalists and key people with strong alliances to US and Israeli diplomats and intelligence services. In addition, he faced what all leaders in the Middle East face – strong tribal divisions, fierce religious rivalries and bands of young men fresh from early victories in the revolution.

He immediately began steps to develop a civilian government that could overtake the power of the military, because a military-dominated Egypt would never offer the kind of prosperity for its people that representative government can.

Morsi moved fast to gain leverage over the military and has been successful; but Mubarak loyalists in the Judiciary were an obstacle to free elections and a Constitution that the majority of Egyptians could support.

In the midst of this continuing revolution, Morsi took a chance that he could get a draft constitution and a referendum to the people in time to bring about a relatively representative government.  Thanks probably to interference by the CIA and Mossad, heavy propaganda brought protesters to the streets and now Morsi has had to make a fallback position to negotiate in some ways with all these unelected rival groups – the tribal groups, the religious groups, etc. 

His mask, therefore, has not slipped; he was never wearing one. By these premature judgments from Western observers who know nothing about the internal challenges of this revolution, Morsi has been dealt a grave injustice. It is my opinion that he will overcome this to negotiate a peaceful  progress in Egypt’s revolution leading to representative government.

Keep in mind all those years of power with Mubarak. There were never free elections. Any serious opposition was barred from participating. And, now, Egyptians have an elected president. If he took a chance to speed up the accomplishments of the revolution, he does not deserve the label of power usurper that has been given him.

Unlike in American politics, here is just one example of what Morsi has faced in Middle Eastern politics, according to Bradley Hope on Dec 7, 2012, in The National :

“Brotherhood supporters were not present in large numbers last night (Dec. 6), but officials from the group lashed out in statements and television interviews yesterday at anti-Morsi protesters for opposing democracy and trying to overthrow a legitimately elected president.

“Mahmoud Hussein, the secretary general of the Muslim Brotherhood, accused opposition protesters of vandalism and inciting violence in a statement published on the English-language site of the group, Ikhwanweb.com.

 "’The use of violence is nothing to do with real revolutionaries' ethics,’ he said.

“Another Arabic-language statement issued by the group yesterday went further, saying that Brotherhood members successfully blocked a ‘conspiracy’ on Wednesday for anti-Morsi protesters to storm into the palace and remove the president through force.

 "’The conspiracy that failed was carried out by those who fought the revolution and conspired and are still conspiring against it, and those who use illicit money stolen from the Egyptian people that they are receiving from abroad," it said.

 Read more: http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/morsi-defends-actions-calls-for-national-dialogue-meeting#ixzz2EPJGuIIV

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 21:15 | 3046230 nmewn
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So you, like James Clapper, believe Morsi and the Brotherhood (as a group) are secular in nature?

I don't believe that for a second.

It may be true that its members have divergent interests and goals but only one thing binds them together...and its not secularism.

Even after he (they) tried to do an end run around the judiciary you feel this way about the Brotherhood? That "democracy" and the Rule of Law can work (somehow) where the majority looks upon the minority as infidels, that is, less than?

Returning to the judiciary, many may be Mubarak appointees but by no means all. They (the judges) effectively went on strike over the principle of his/their attaempted usurption of power.

This is a unversal concept of right and wrong and the expectation of equal treatment before the law of the land...which is why his power gambit was met with derision and outrage...domestically and abroad.

For your review...alliances/allegiances in the ever shifting sands of the ME...

http://jkalternativeviewpoint.com/jkalternate/?p=4569

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 22:56 | 3046350 JR
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No one on the planet believes that the Muslim Brotherhood is an organization founded on achieving secular principles. They are bound together by faith. And it’s not a faith that I agree with, but I do support their chance to have a government that can serve the people and not a puppet of the United States and Israel.

Yes, there will be minorities in Egypt who resent an Islamic government. But Morsi has promised that there will be freedoms of expression for minorities in Egypt. And there is absolutely no evidence that this promise will be broken.

To this point, colonial powers (Britain) and imperial powers (America) have had their way with Egypt, early on to nail down outside control of the Suez Canal, later to protect the interests and expansion of the Israeli state by placating, barricading and bribing Arab nations to allow the Israeli developments, spearheaded by puppets such as Mubarak. The Mubarak government was not secular; it was totalitarian banning all minority groups.

Because Egypt is heavily Islamic, it would be surprising if a completely secular government was their choice. Now, they have a chance to at least have a government that provides free elections and allows competing minority parties to exist and run candidates.

Nmewn, this is an opportunity for Egyptians to have a government of their choice. If it is not the kind of government we would like, would it be preferable to have  a banker-cabal puppet who keeps the people of Egypt forever in poverty just because we are anti-Muslim? That’s not a good choice.

For the final point, the troubled party in all of this is Israel; and the state of Israel does not want either an Islamic government in Egypt or a secular one. They want a US-managed dictatorship and they won’t be happy until they get one. And that’s why the Mossad and the CIA have their people in Cairo tonight. Right now!

My only question, why are we supporting them?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 00:06 | 3046395 nmewn
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"No one on the planet believes that the Muslim Brotherhood is an organization founded on achieving secular principles."

Thank you and agreed.

Now one supposes they would work on their brothers (Salafists) to not impose their views on the rest of Africa?

Let's be completely clear about something.

I hold no ill will toward the Egyptian people. I never have. Both of our peoples were born of empires long gone from the face of the earth.

Having said that, I don't regard Morsi as a Sufi, in the tradition of Al Banna. He was schooled at USC as well, plenty of time for "nefarious indoctrination", why do you think he is not a wolf in sheeps clothing (from there) posing as a purely nationalistic patriot of Egypt? Especially after what he attempted to do.

You can't have power unless it is consensual or by force...those are the only two avenues.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 23:03 | 3046351 disabledvet
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i would argue he is arguing "don't underestimate these folks." and if that's the case i agree. there is much more to be gained by being LEGAL is there not? so, sure..."they're not secularists"...but if instead they are "legal theocrats"? ironically enough this Administration has also awarded them "peace maker status"! so sure...while the CIA and Mossad are probably without a doubt up to their eyeballs in this shit...so far it's "game, set match Egypt." (and if anyone thinks i'm saying this to be "defeatist" by all means. but we are not engaged...nor has the USA ever been engaged over there...to be anything other than HONEST brokers. to argue that the peace process is not in the interest of Israel...let alone the region at large... is to argue TRUE crazy talk. And interestingly our current President...a person i called "Mr 2 and O" not that long ago--and soon to be 3 and 0 once Assad is done--has all he needs to play this role right now. How well to do you think he's doing?)

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 01:38 | 3046506 tip e. canoe
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perhaps it would be better not to consider them loyalists to Mubarak per se (who was basically a well-paid mouthpiece) but rather the generals behind the curtain who do not wish to see their power curtailed along with the gravy train that drags along behind it.

they [the generals] own lots of businesses which generate up to 15% of the GDP. They are thoroughly corrupt and infect Egypt like a cancer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/22/egypt-military-gover...

follow the money always.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 09:14 | 3046664 nmewn
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It's pretty tough to talk about Egypt without talking about corruption. It's not just generals.

“The most corrupt sector in the country is the provisions sector,” said a government inspector who asked not to be identified for fear of punishment. His job is to go to bakeries to ensure they are actually using the cheap government flour to produce cheap bread that is sold at the proper price.

The inspector explained why the system was so open to abuse. The government sells bakeries 25-pound bags of flour for 8 Egyptian pounds, the equivalent of about $1.50. The bakeries are then supposed to sell the flatbread at the subsidized rate, which gives them a profit of about $10 from each sack. Or the baker can simply sell the flour on the black market for $15 a bag.

If the inspector, who said he was paid $42 a month, certifies that after three months the baker has faithfully used the flour to bake bread, the baker gets a refund of about $1 a bag. A baker who goes through 40 sacks a day over the three-month period gets back 18,000 pounds (around $3,300) — a nice sum, this inspector said, which could easily be shared with an underpaid inspector.

“I am someone getting 230 pounds for a salary,” the inspector said. “Say I want to feed my children three times a day and send them to government schools. To do just that, I need 1,000 pounds a month.”
http://standeyo.com/NEWS/08_Food_Water/080123.food.protest.Egypt.html

Follow the money.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 09:50 | 3046690 tip e. canoe
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it's pretty tough to talk about anywhere where the flow of money is centralized and/or power is concentrated without talking about corruption.   so what's the answer?  is the answer to fight for the side that you believe will bring you the most flow and/or concentration or is the answer to liberate and dissapate that flow and concentration as much as possible?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 12:25 | 3046895 nmewn
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It's a little deeper than that I think. Egypt cannot feed herself. Half the population is reliant on subsidized bread. It's not just that it was an empire that fell and then subsequent empires moved through and then fell in on themselves, it's that it also adopted a socialist model within their cultural comfort zone.

It's an economic basket case not because of the CIA or it's military or Mossad...it's culmination of events in it's past...including it's decisions when breaking from colonialism.

But all that is somewhat irrelevant about the now...I honestly don't know how it would feed herself without aid (more socialism, Pan-Arab or not)...and with that aid comes the high-mid level corruption we both speak about.

If I could wave a magic wand I would.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 18:06 | 3047381 tip e. canoe
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indeed brother nmewn, excellent point.  did you know that Egypt was the world's largest importer of wheat?

http://permaculturenews.org/2011/06/08/when-the-nile-runs-dry/

maybe it's a magic wean off wheat wand?

p.s. an interesting paper on agriculture and the rise of the State in ancient Egypt:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/101330805/Agriculture-and-the-Origins-of-the-S...

 

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:12 | 3047544 nmewn
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I didn't know that about the wheat, not surprising though considering its the staple of the poor Egyptian.

Here ya go (following the money trail again) where does Egypt get the majority of its wheat? You might be surprised but its not us...

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-worlds-biggest-wheat-exporting-countries-2011-4?op=1

To turn an infamous Rothchild quote on its head...Give me control of a nations food supply and I care not who makes it’s laws.

Your second is interesting as well.

My thoughts on governments (in general) and why they are needed...I hold two (almost contradictory views) at the base level.

I believe you and I (individually) could live without it. I also believe most others could not. Therefore, it is something that must be constrained (for me and perhaps you) at the same time a required "evil" for them. We could afterall, you and I and a few others, move to a deserted island and the first thing we would find ourselves doing is to start ordering our new society based on individual abilities. 

That would be the beginnings of the structure of government.

Some people are better warriors, some are better mechanics, some are better farmers, some are better artists, some are better hunters, some better basket weavers etc. all would have worth to the whole.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:08 | 3046050 Uber Vandal
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Actually, Lucius Cornelius Sulla (138 - 78 BC) was one of the first recorded dictators who rescinded his dictatorship and brought back constitutional government and retired to private life.

 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:24 | 3046075 Hangfire
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Cornelius...wasn't he the blond ape?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:39 | 3046100 knukles
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He was the Phi Beta Kappa TV host of the Soul Train who had absolutely no drug or alcohol problems.... stable as the day is kinda...

(rolling eyeballs)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:54 | 3046129 The Gooch
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Choomster on Soul Train (for Freddie) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5DAgQ01FeA

 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:05 | 3046148 knukles
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No........

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 21:02 | 3046217 Yen Cross
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You're proven knuckles. Tell Meg up at HP hello/ You are that (fix it man)... get er done/   Get out and regenerate.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:12 | 3046058 Poor Grogman
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It reminds me of the old saying

"if you can't shoot em, join em"...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:17 | 3046068 Hangfire
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Obama must have offered him a ticket to the PSY concert in exchange for rethinking his current position. Anything to make it look like we're not arming a dictator.   

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:29 | 3046085 XOFnews
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dead rabbits coming soon

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:35 | 3046095 Yen Cross
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 That pesky Assad/

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:42 | 3046108 XOFnews
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it's scary. i watched that film about 6 hours ago and i cannot think of anything else. not the bunnies so much as mankind. gold bitches

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 10:21 | 3046715 lakecity55
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A moment of silence, please, for Rabbits!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:48 | 3046121 JOYFUL
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This has less to do with internal Egyptian political currents than it does with competing factions amongst the ZOG usurpers in DC...it's quickly going to hell in a handcart, a la the kind of classic infighting we used to associate with pre-coup scenarios in Eastern European and Asian socialist paradises...

minus the blood.

But that will come. In the meanswhile, watch a hundred puppets dangling from their perches in the giant international shadow puppet theatre that the world stage has become.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:55 | 3046131 Whoa Dammit
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Someone must have threatened to send Hilary back to visit with him. His eyes were just recovering from her last visit and the servants had finally gotten his sofa cleaned from her greasy hairdo. He just couldn't take anymore.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:53 | 3046204 Ranger4564
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It proved to be too early. This is not a change in ultimate goal, just a detour to circumnavigate the opposition. Ultimately, the dictator model is the desired model, so Morsi was to Egypt what bankers were to Iceland. I know many feel Iceland won, and many may feel the opposition won in Egypt, but this is just a time of battle, the war wages on, and neither will be left standing as the war escalates.  No need for cheer... this is not victory.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 21:05 | 3046222 Yen Cross
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Excellent post. (

Circumnavigate )  don't forget your
Shop for sextant on Google

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 21:20 | 3046237 Jena
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Back in the days when it took some thought, skill and decent wind to get where you're going instead of punching numbers into a satellite gadget (so long as the batteries and motor have power).  

Everyone's in a hurry now.

 

Of course, there are pirates out there I suppose.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 22:02 | 3046293 Yen Cross
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Jena is a true " sanctioned" , Caribbean skallywag.   She has a ship, and her majesty's  authority(crested in wax), to patrol the "New World" oceans...

  She may take what she deems part of the empire/ and will be rewarded upon her return

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 05:18 | 3046582 Colonial Intent
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The word you are looking for is privateer.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 15:41 | 3047203 Jena
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And here I thought I just liked sailing/surfing.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 22:45 | 3046338 Herkimer Jerkimer
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You are a chess player.

 

I concur with your statements

 

To quote Van Jones: Give up the radical pose for the radical ends.

 

This is giving the population EXACTLY what it wants. A feint. Let them think they've won. Back to slee-ee-eep… All is well.

They will now work behind the scenes, having exposed all those that oppose them and they will eliminate their opposition.

 

OJO

V-V

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 22:59 | 3046354 Zer0head
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priority from the get go was the passing of the Constitution

his initial decree and subsequent recindment will go down as one of the greatest Red Herrings in political history

10 days from now the world will welcome into existence the largest* Islamic state since the times of the Moors

 

 

 

 

*pls note Indonesia has a large Muslim population but is not an Islamic state as yet

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 05:14 | 3046580 Kiwi Pete
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Looks like planning is well under way for your next war in .........Mali!

 

http://rt.com/usa/news/pentagon-military-mali-us-560/

 

Time to get out your atlas again.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 10:56 | 3046768 tip e. canoe
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Another one in our portfolio that we like is Avion Gold Corp. (TSX.V:AVR; OTCQX:AVGCF), a Canadian-based gold mining company focused on production and exploration in West Africa. It is currently producing gold from two mines in Mali, and in 2010 has made several acquisitions of nearby exploration properties, and properties in Burkina Faso (also West Africa).

It acquired its Mali projects in 2008 (at about $0.20 on the dollar invested by the seller, as the seller needed cash), and proceeded to get the mines into production. It had gold production of 51,000 ozs. in 2009, estimated production of 75,000–85,000 ozs. in 2010 and plans to ramp up to a 200,000 oz. run rate in 2012. We like that the company has a proven management team, sufficient capital, and a present and future growth profile. It's a very attractive, and undervalued, company. We believe that West Africa is a growing gold production area that is not well understood by many investors and offers attractive opportunities, of which Avion is one of the best.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article22982.html 

 

Mali is set to introduce a mining code in October to boost production and encourage investment in its minerals industry.Mines Minister Abou Bakar Traore said the mining code assures investor participation in Mali and considers the mining sector's contribution to the overall economy, reports Bloomberg. It was earlier reported that all active licenses will be renewed without changing their permits under the new mining law. Mali is Africa's third-biggest gold producer.

http://www.mining-technology.com/news/news94983.html

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 05:39 | 3046581 Colonial Intent
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WTF?

Normally theres debate about relevant subjects connected to the headline, today its just repub talking points ad infinitum.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/tazaroo/KidswiththeBAR.jpg

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 06:52 | 3046607 magpie
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Egyptians have a strange sense of humour.

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