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Egypt's "Temporary " Dictator To Deploy Army Against Protesters

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Update: The devolution is complete as Egypt declares martial law.

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It was only a matter of time before Egypt's US-endorsed temporary dictator resolved to what will be spun as temporary military intervention against what is increasingly looking like a permanent counterrevolution by deploying the army to crush local protesters who have besieged the Egyptian presidential palace for almost a week, and have put the country's new "democratic" regime increasingly under threat of collapse.

RT reports that "Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi will authorize the deployment of the country's armed forces to quash protests in Cairo, al-Ahram reported. The military said prolonging the crisis would be "disastrous,” and that they would not tolerate violence. At least six people died and hundreds were reported injured over the last few days in the unrest that has gripped the Egyptian capital since late November. Al-Ahram reported that the armed forces will be given powers of arrest, previously an exclusive right of the police."

Naturally, once one starts down the slope of "temporary decrees" (never to be confused with presidential Executive Orders), one doesn't go back. The only question is whether the denouement of the Mursi administration will be a peaceful one with the self-imposed dictator stepping down without a fight, or if the country will devolve into an all out civil war, threatening the (in)stability of the region even further.

Egyptian army soldiers stand on top of an army tank as thousands of protesters walk in the streets in front of the presidential palace on December 7, 2012 in Cairo (AFP Photo / Gianluigi Guercia)

More from Al Arabiya:

On Saturday, the military urged political forces to solve their dispute via dialogue saying it would take the country into a “dark tunnel,” hinting military intervention.


“Anything other than that [dialogue] will force us into a dark tunnel with disastrous consequences; something which we won’t allow,” according to a military statement read out on state TV.


Failing to reach a consensus, “is in the interest of neither side. The nation as a whole will pay the price,” the statement added.


The military stressed that dialogue is the “best and only” way to take Egypt out of its crisis adopted by the Muslim brotherhood. The country previously watched as the military had control over previous presidents particularly after Mubarak’s fall.


However, Mursi pushed the general’s aside in August and they had shown little appetite to intervene in Egypt’s latest crisis.




The army started to assert itself again, sealing off the presidential palace with tanks and barbed wire, saying it “realizes its national responsibility in protecting the nation’s higher interests,” and state institutions.


The state-run daily al-Ahram reported that Mursi would soon authorize the military to help police keep order and give it powers of arrest under a decree approved by the cabinet. It did not say when the decree would be issued.

On the other hand, a far greater problem would evolve if instead of a simple escalation, the conflict grew into a schism along religion lines:

The Muslim Brotherhood’s supreme guide, Mohamed Badie, denounced opposition protests that have swirled around the walls of the Mursi’s palace, saying they “ruin legitimacy.”


Badie said eight people, all of them Brotherhood members, had been killed this week and urged the interior minister to explain why police had failed to prevent assailants from torching the organization’s headquarters and 28 other offices.


“Get angry with the Brotherhood and hate us as much as you like, but be reasonable and preserve Egypt’s unity,” he told a news conference. “We hope everyone gets back to dialogue.”


The turmoil has exposed deep divisions over the destiny of a country of 83 million where the removal of Mubarak 22 months ago led to a messy army-led transition, with the Brotherhood and its allies winning two elections.


The well-organized Brotherhood, which pushed Mursi from obscurity to power, remains his surest source of support, with over 80 years of religious and political struggle behind it.


Late on Friday, Prime Minister Hisham Kandil urged political forces to take “courageous and constructive steps” by calling off protests and joining the dialogue without preconditions.

This is the same Egypt about which US State Department secretary Burns issued the following statement as recently as July:

First, let me take this opportunity to congratulate the people of Egypt on what is truly an historic set of achievements. A peaceful revolution. Competitive elections. The first democratically elected civilian president in Egypt's history. For all the very real problems that remain, not all nations who rose up alongside you last year have been so fortunate. Not all nations carry Egypt’s strategic and historic weight. And not all nations can have such an important impact on the entire region through the success of their democratic transition, and through their continued role as a strong pillar of peace, security, and prosperity.


Second, the United States will do all we can to help ensure a successful transition in Egypt, which offers the best path to realize the aspirations of the Egyptian people for dignity, for opportunity, for security, and for a voice in their own affairs. Egyptians know far better than we do that their aspirations are not yet fully realized, but they can count on America’s partnership on the complicated road ahead.


Third, we are mindful that many of the Egyptian people's most pressing concerns today are economic in nature. We are fully committed to tangible initiatives to help Egypt deal with its economic challenges, including meeting immediate financial concerns, providing debt relief, helping to create jobs and educational opportunities, and encouraging U.S. investment and tourism. For all the obvious challenges, Egypt clearly has the potential for economic revival and inclusive growth.


Fourth, in a very short time, Egypt has traveled a remarkable distance, but a great deal of work remains to build the strong, durable democratic system for which the Egyptian people launched their revolution. It will be critical to see a democratically elected parliament in place, and an inclusive process to draft a new constitution that upholds universal rights. The challenge remains of building institutions which will ensure that no matter who wins an election in any particular year, the rights of all Egyptians will always be protected. This challenge belongs not just to Egypt's leaders but to its citizens as well.


Finally, tens of millions of Egyptians will be looking to President Morsi and the Cabinet he forms to take needed steps to advance national unity and build an inclusive government that embraces all of Egypt's faiths and respects the rights of women and secular members of society. So will the international community. We are fully committed to working with Egypt's President, its new government and all parties to sustain our partnership and advance our shared interest in a strong, democratic, and economically vibrant Egypt that is a force for peace and stability in the region.

Funny stuff.

And while the local situation in the country which the US called a "pillar of peace, security and prosperity" to get much bloodier, violent and overall louder, one person who has kept very quiet during the past few weeks is none other than Hillary Clinton, who as recently as July welcomed Morsi with open arms.

From the NYT:

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton arrived in Egypt on Saturday for meetings with its newly elected Islamist president and the chief of its still-dominant military council, declaring that the United States “supports the full transition to civilian rule with all that entails.”


But after weeks of internal debate across the Obama administration over how to respond to the ongoing struggle between the president and the generals, Mrs. Clinton touched on it only lightly, saying she looked forward to working “to support the military’s return to a purely national security role.


State Department officials said the meeting itself sent a historic message. Seated in an ornate room in the presidential palace, Mrs. Clinton smiled for cameras and traded pleasantries with President Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist jailed more than once by the American-backed autocracy overthrown 18 months ago. She became the highest ranking United States official to meet Mr. Morsi since he was sworn in two weeks ago as Egypt’s first democratically elected president.

This is the same Hillary Clinton who "was targeted by protesters who threw tomatoes and their own shoes at her motorcade during a visit to Egypt on Sunday. Demonstrators also mockingly chanted 'Monica, Monica' in reference to Bill Clinton's extra-marital affair. The Secretary of State was on her first trip to Egypt since the election of the country's new Islamist President, Mohammed Morsi."

Mursi is thus on the way to becoming the second US-supported dictator in Egypt. The irony of course is that like the Fed's market interventions, the half-life of the US state department imposing its pawns in various countries, only to see them turn against the US. can now be measured in months.

The only question remaining is with the CIA and the US having no natural allies left in the country that controls the Suez Canal should Morsi be thrown out one way or another, how will America continue to impose its control in this country which is becoming ever more critical at a time when the gateway to Africa is one of the most important geopolitical tension points, not to mention a key focal point in the simmering Iran-Israel conflict?


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Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:03 | 3045612 phoolish
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LOL.  Even Mubarak didn't turn them loose on "the people."



Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:16 | 3045630 JackT
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Morsi better have made one hell of a deal with the military or he has sealed his overthrow.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:20 | 3045638 CPL
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News on the wire he's already dead along with his entire family.  Not sure who's giving orders, but the tape being passed around is a piss poor schoop.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:27 | 3045657 JackT
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Which wires? I would think that if he were dead there would be full on battles in the streets by factions trying to fill the vacuum and their pockets.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:33 | 3045669 Freddie
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I am not so sure.  I think if he goes - his Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qeada/Chicago islamists will back down.   I am hopeful that the Egyptian army will back the people.  They have more honor than the scum in The Pentagon who hop to it for O.

What have we learned about the newswires, TV et al.  They lie 100% of the time.  Look at Syria.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:44 | 3045690 john39
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Chicago Islamists? David Axelrod.... Rahm 'little Satan' Emmanuel.... Notice a trend? They are not Muslims...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:57 | 3045711 Spirit Of Truth
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Hmmm....just in time for Syria to open up a new Arab-Israeli War with a chemical missile barrage on the Jewish state:


I think not:

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:08 | 3045723 john39
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Syria is fighting for its very existence against a western/ Zionist mercenary invasion. Trying to paint israel as victim rather than a land thieving aggressor is a waste of time. The entire world saw the Israeli brutality recently in gaza... Save the propaganda for the evangelical fundies who still have their heads too far up their asses to realize what Israel really is.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:24 | 3045760 DaveyJones
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his ego is almost as big as Hillary(s) 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:29 | 3045769 boogerbently
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Hillary is the POSTER CHILD for everything that is wrong and corrupt about government.

And she is being "sold" as the next dem prez candidate!?!?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:32 | 3045777 DaveyJones
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she is a living allegory with an emphasis on the second half of the word.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:53 | 3045799 sullymandias
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a modern day Lady MacBeth

Come, you spirits
That tend on mortal thoughts, unsex me here,
And fill me from the crown to the toe topful
Of direst cruelty!
Macbeth Act 1, scene 5, 40–43

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:20 | 3045835 knukles
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Gotta love it.
He was The One to Save the People from the Sectarian Dictator who The Administration said was a Wonderful Peechie Keen Guy not Associated with Any Bad People, a Democratic Liberty Bone Spirit of Humanity.
Just so happened to be associated with the MuzzieBros and Alkhedadh, who BTW raided all the pre-deployed US military supplies in Egypt which are top of the line shit, Bro
And now the people who were previously freed by him are being Murbaraked by him and A New and Improved Radical Theocratic Dictatorship worse than the Last and preceding that Dictatorship will find its way to power so...

We got a New Permanent Enemy for the Long War.

And here, I get to say it without recourse,


it's Obama's Fault.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:27 | 3045849 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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This is why we have the right to bear arms.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:56 | 3046133 Enslavethechild...
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The United States would never use violence against it's own protestors...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:44 | 3045868 Freddie
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I read more of the story.  A few dead Muslimbrotherhood scum and their building torched?  Reichtag fire?  These people are O and Hillary's stooges with their rigged Chicago style election.

I hope the Egyptian people stand strong along with the army.  Some of these people are Egyptian Coptic Christians who are fighting for their survival.  The Egyptian people are far more brave than Americans and the cowards in the Pentagon who bow to the islamic mullah.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:17 | 3045976 fourchan
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Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:09 | 3046053 DaveyJones
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quite a few groups are turning out to be braver (and smarter) than the Americans

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:26 | 3045764 boogerbently
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What Israel is, is the "lesser of two evils".

A theocracy NOT bent on the destruction of western civilization.

And, a lifelong friend/ally of the US.

And, as it turns out, may do EXACTLY what the USA has wanted to do for decades......turn the muslim/middle east into a parking lot.

The US has a record of interfering, placing a "new" guy in charge, then having to eliminate him in 10 years or so when he turns on us.

And we're only getting WORSE at it.

Funding wars and delivering "foreign aid"  with borrowed money.

BTW, to all the retiree haters here, I have a question.

What is Welfare? Unemployment pays workers who are temporarily displaced, disability pays people who are "incapable" of working, what is welfare?

It seems to me, it is "lifetime unemployment" for those who ARE capable of working.

How about we put a lifetime cap on that? In dollars or years.

After that, you are sent to a country we have been "aiding", as part of their repayment.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:46 | 3045786's picture



"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under." -- Martin Levi van Creveld, Israeli military historian and theorist.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:48 | 3045791 Maghreb
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Very very true if you beleive what the current leaders of Western Civilization say and take it to its logical conclusion. Those looking back further and more honestly will come to very different conclusions. Better the Devil you know than the devil you don't.......

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:01 | 3045801 Disenchanted
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I invite you to do some reading booger, if you're really interested in 'allies'(USS Liberty), foreign aid, and how your tax dollars are spent.


The Cost of Israel to US Taxpayers


the above updated:

The Staggering Cost of Israel to Americans


re: "A theocracy NOT bent on the destruction of western civilization."


Seems some Israeli settlers don't love Jesus...isn't he one of the cornerstones of western civilization. Or so I've been told.



Another Israeli church defaced with 'price tag' graffiti
Graffiti reading 'Jesus, son of a bitch, price tag,' was found on a door near the Franciscan monastery on Mount Zion, just outside the walls of Jerusalem's Old City.



Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:03 | 3045808 israhole
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Wish I could give john39 repeated thumbs up on this comment!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:33 | 3045856 Cortez the Killer
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muslims killing muslims

its like an early christmas present

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:11 | 3046056 DaveyJones
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Yes, christ would have said things like that. Quit living your avatar


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:03 | 3045719 Disenchanted
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Not in Freddie's world. He's not aware of the Pritzker's and the Crowns either. Or the nice 'little' Obama bungalow right across the street from Chicago's oldest Synagogue. Or what Abner Mikva said about Obama.


His latest thing is that Petraeus was getting "Islamo poon" from Jill Kelley. LOL!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:22 | 3045753 Freddie
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Yes he is.  Israel is pals with the (sunni) Saudis.  Mursi is O's puppet.  I support the Egyptian people against O's scum.     

"Jill Kelly" is a Lebanese dhimini spy.   She is not Irish-American.  Do your homework Rahm..

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:34 | 3045779 Disenchanted
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I despise assholes like Rahm you dipstick.


I did do my homework. Jill Kelley was born Gilberte Khawam, and she is a Lebanese-American Maronite Catholic.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:51 | 3045879 Freddie
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She is a dhimini spy c*nt.   Why the phony O'Leary name?  Why does she hang out at the country club near McDill to snag all the horny coward Pentagon ***ks.   Dumbazz Betrayus was set up by two lefty honey pot agents.  They work for O's goons.  

We do not disagree on much.

My only dog in this hunt in the Egyptian people, Egyptian Coptic Christians and I am hoping the Army protects the people from O's "fairly" elected Mo Bro Hood/Al Qeada goons.   My guess is these terrorists are friends of Saudi/Rahm/Axelrod/Crown/Pritzker.    Egypt had a Chicago style "fair" election.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 06:51 | 3046606 Disenchanted
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Freddie said:

"My guess is these terrorists are friends of Saudi/Rahm/Axelrod/Crown/Pritzker."


Which of those five are 'Muzzies' Freddie? Can't you see that the 'Muzzies' are not your real enemies. Our real enemies are embedded deeply within our establishment right here at home.They have used the power and wealth of these (dis)united States to continually make enemies out of our former friends and besmirch our reputation on a global basis. It doesn't matter if it's an Obama/Clinton or W. Bush/Powell puppet team, the same bullshit keeps happening, year after year, decade after decade. They have plenty of Gentile lackeys willing to do their dirty work, many of them evangelical Christians who have been suckered into this false Judeo-Christian, Israel comes first, 'God's Chosen' mentality. Not to mention those suckered into the worship of militarism and war by equating that with patriotism(another falsity). Now this embedded enemy along with their moneychanger captains have almost finished us off, sucking out all of our blood(real wealth) leaving us with a bunch of funny paper, and a shitload of debt...a dry husk to be tossed away while the top level parasites will run off to find a new host. Won't all those lackeys be surprised when that day comes? lol!


btw...That 'right' vs. 'left' thing is also a failed/false paradigm. It only still works on propagandized rubes.


Freddie said:

"My only dog in this hunt in the Egyptian people, Egyptian Coptic Christians"

What about the Christian communities in Palestine/Israel...have you had any concern for them?


"Rahm" that 'good American' IDF volunteer and son of a Jewish terrorist. Fuck him and the donkey he rode in on...


Bring on the red arrows bitchez...How about at least five arrows down? It would be fitting. ;p

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:19 | 3045748 Freddie
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....but they are friends of the Saudis and the NWO with LeGarde.   Obam. Rahm, Hillary and Axelrod's fingerprints are all over Egypt, Syria, Libya and Yemen.  You sound like an O shill.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:46 | 3045788 macholatte
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It goes one of 2 ways, maybe there's a third but I can't think of it.

Either the CIA-USA is managing this affair, are buddies with the Muslim Brotherhood and will support the murder of the new revised Egypt Rebels 2.0 by making it appear they're just watching and leaving the new democracy to suffer its "growing pains", or

the Soros-Obama Machine fucked up... again, and is trying to look like they know what they're doing. 

I think they're a bunch of fuck-ups and the Muslim Brotherhood is "out of control" and there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it. Sharia Law demands that the Arabs brutalize their own people first and everyone else second. Sharia Law will rule North Africa and the Middle East sooner rather than later.

Anybody sending weapons to the new revised Egypt Rebels 2.0 or is that just another iPhone app?

I think Michelle Obama and her daughters would look just stunning in designer burkas. Maybe they'll be featured on the cover of Vogue.



Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:50 | 3045794 Maghreb
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Who says anything about fucked up? They were most likely to set up to fail. These Islamists can't create stability, they have only made it easier for NATO to step in further down the line.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:08 | 3045810 Maghreb
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Shariah law will never be put into practice. If they did they would have to shut down the banks and lower taxation to five percent and create a non-heriditary representative figure head. All the states formed by Arab nationalists would collapse if they did this. They could put in place social reforms but in the end anyone who isn't willing to go the whole way and keeps the banks and the governments will be enforcing a bastardized version of it. You'll end up with a police state looking for someone listening to Oum Kaltoum while arch usurers and Tyrants run the economy.

The only states to entirely avoid interest were Taliban Afghanistan and  Shabab dominated Somalia. These are non-states, failed states where government ceased to exist and law was enforced by local millitia's. Shariah can not be enforced by a modern police force something that did and could not exist in 7th century Arabia. No one seems to notice the whole point of Shariah is to create a socitey like the one the prophet live in. How they can mandate that and then take over a nationalist system created in the west during the 19th century i have no idea. They are hypocites looking to create a bastardized creed from something that worked well long ago but will now be used to opress.

My take is the tyrants in the West gave up trying to secuarlize and financially control the MENA region the way they did to Europe. Rather than try and build Plato's Republic, Bentham's Panopticon or a Stalinist Communist state they are bringing back a Theocracy. Perhaps in the name of stability, perhaps to set them up for a fall.......

Either way what Mursi has done has fuck all to do with Shariah.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:59 | 3045887 Freddie
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This is all a constant mind ***k with these NWO scum.  This election was a fair Chicago style election just like 2008 and 2012.  We got a few crumbs in 2010 but not the Senate.   Let the sheep think they have a chance.  

The majority of the people in Egypt know the election was totally rigged.  Sadly, Americans are clueless sheep by comparison.   See venezuela - Jimmy Carter said every chavez election was fair.

No one was expecting the Egyptians and the Army were not going to go along with the program.  The Egyptian Coptic Christians know they are dead if they do not stand up now.   The evil scum puppet masters always have plan B, C and D plus the media.   The Clintons, O and his thugs will hopefully burn in hell for exporting their misery.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:46 | 3045694 JackT
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Sorry I do not agree. If he goes they will martyr him and cry inequality.

I find it interesting that they want civil discussion. They only ask for dialogue why they quietly prepare in the background. The only dialogue these individuals are interested in is them telling others what to do.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:21 | 3045750 FMR Bankster
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Now that the Brotherhood has had 18 months to push aside the the old military order they can move ahead with their plans. First you let the old generals know that if they retire quietly, they (and their family) can keep the spoils of 60 years of corruption. Then you promote the lower ranking officers you have infiltrated into the military for decades to leadership roles. Now the military is yours to crack down on the useful idiots who helped you overthrow the military and really thought there would be a western democracy. Hell, it's not like they don't have the peoples backing, the brotherhood and the Salifists pulled 70 plus % in free and fair elections. Fortunately they can't attack Israel for awhile since they are dependent on US for resupply. Oh, sorry, we're fresh out of that type of ammo, we just sent a HUGE order to your neighbor to the east.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:31 | 3045773 Freddie
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70% in "free & fair elections?"  Just like the free and fair elections in the US in 2008 and 2012?

You are joking right?


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:50 | 3045793's picture

Or 2000 and 2004.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:01 | 3045890 Seize Mars
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Diebold + Soros = Fiat Money Election Orgasmotron

Weee! Isn't a constitutional republic great?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:32 | 3046001 FMR Bankster
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Let me get this straight Freddie. You are saying the Mubarek appointed courts backed by the military (with Mubarek appointed generals) conspired to make sure the radical Islamists attained over 70% of the vote. Sh*t, I gotta hear this story, how and why would they have done that? Too many americans can't face the fact that 70 plus % of Arab muslims AGREE with the goals of Bin Laden and other radical Islamists. Maybe not the methods, but the goals.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:39 | 3045678 CPL
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It's been talked about in Russian and Chinese and Indian media since the protestors stormed the palace five days ago.   Whoever is giving orders isn't him.  If he would like to clear that rumour up.  It's easy.


Live, outside with a crowd and meeting the 14 other political party heads.  Timestamp on his man tits and a Sharpie in his fat ass.  No boardrooms or closed circuit.  This is a Tits or GTFO situation.  Nobody believes he's alive.


And nobody would be battling anyone unless it was staged.  Egyptians don't give a fuck what sock puppet is in power anymore.  They would however like to eat and have steady electricity.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:39 | 3045685 JackT
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If he were dead his body would be in the street. This isn't a civil situation.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:07 | 3045730 CPL
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And the media wouldn't report it at all either in Western news agencies.  See the problem with abusing media repeatedly for propaganda purposes is after a while nobody cares and they start to make up their own stuff.  TPTB is ignored to death and completely dismissed out of hand.


You know what the unintended consequence of that is?


Wait a day.  You'll see.  Civil has nothing to do with it anymore does it?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:45 | 3045942 JackT
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You thoughts about the media might be true a few years ago but more info comes from social media and alt. news now than MSM. Your original comment was citing "wires" which are controlled or at least cherry picked by MSM.

I just don't think he is dead.

As for waiting a day...the Middle East (Sourh Weat Asia) has had centuries to become civil so another day isn't going to allow to devolve. It's been in the same state if madness it has always been in.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:57 | 3046135 CPL
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My thoughts of the media are just as current now as there were then.  

Let me guess, is HuffPo?  No that's fish wrap.  Chicago Tribune?  More fish wrap.  NYT.  Garbage.  Wall Street Journal.  Garbage.  (can't even trade or do business with the information in the pages of it, you'd go broke in a week)


If you want news now, beggar thy neightbour.  While certain things will never be covered in western media, you can bet every non english language paper has it on the front page.  


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:09 | 3045735 CPL
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Again.  Timestamp of tits, sharpie in pooper or GTFO...that's what it's come to.  Nobody believes the "story" anymore.  <shake head>

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:13 | 3045817 Maghreb
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Could have been a close call they took Saleh's face of with a grenade and he managed to squirm his way out. I don't beleive it though people are always saying so and so is was killed here or there and the bad penny turns up alive a week later. Its something someone would do to try and stir things up further. We'll find out soon enough.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:11 | 3045738 FoeHammer
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Imagine if we as citizens could demand Tits or GTFO from our leaders. That would truly be something else.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:26 | 3045765 CPL
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in 1992 a movie could put Tom Hanks in the same room as JFK.  That's 20 year old technology.  

Computers are around 40000 faster now than the IRIX systems Silicon Graphics used to make and the rendering is real time.  I'll keep the tin foil dry on that theory though.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:01 | 3045959 Aurora Ex Machina
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Tupac and Elvis would like a word.

Actually, they're not holograms, but use a technique called "Pepper's Ghost"; works like a teleprompter. Please note that the glass anti-bullet screens around modern politicians could never have a dual purpose... Oh. Wait.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:53 | 3045800 pufferfish
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I see what u did thar...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:24 | 3045649 Freddie
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I hope the Egyptian military tells him to go F*** himself.   I have more faith in the Egyptian people versus Americans. 

I also have more faith in the Egyptian officer corps of their military versus scum like Colon Powell, General Weasel Clark, Betrayus and other former and current Pentagon cowards and quislings.

Morsi is enemy.  Stay strong Egyptians.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:37 | 3045679 JackT
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The Egyptian military had their opportunity previously and they did not take it. They are now presented with another opportunity. Sure they could decide that it's just best to enforce military rule rather than go through this mess again. But given their recent actions I don't think they will.

Perhaps they are smarter than the rest by waiting to be asked?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:25 | 3045763 Freddie
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Mursi got rid of some Egyptian generals - sound like another Muslim who stole 2 elections and fired more generals and a rear admiral recently? 

I hope the Egyptian army stays with the people against O's mo bro hood/Alqeada stooges like Mursi.  

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:03 | 3045614 A Lunatic
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It's only a matter of time before Egypt un-friends America on Facebook.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:59 | 3045713 dark pools of soros
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Maybe PSY can speak freely if he books shows in Cairo?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:04 | 3045615 ghengis86
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Fuck that bitch Hillary and her fucking puppet masters too. And you too Bernake: I didn't forget about you fucktard, even if you're lighting the menora with Lloyd and the rest of your ratfuck banking scum.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:24 | 3045648 smlbizman
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yeah...bills tapping that....

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:43 | 3045785 ghengis86
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I regret that I have one junk to give; that was not a pretty picture you just painted!! And Bill hasn't tapped that since NKOTB were popular.

Fuck, that's I just got trolled to two girls, one cup disgusting

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:13 | 3045616 Yen Cross
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 This video takes the cake/ comply or your cat/dog gets it...  Don't want to mess with PETA.../s

 Shocking Graphic Video: Syrian Rebels Testing Chem Weapons On Rabbits As Warning To Civilians

 Was that Syrian Rebels? I thought the[Sryian] government had the "not so kool aid"?


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:32 | 3045642 Yen Cross
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 It's all good, thanks for the link. ;-)

 I guess that DXY buy signal on the daily chart has some merit? (reserve yuan) doesn't sit well with me...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:08 | 3045732 Atomizer
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Someone has to Rise Above by repackaging new debt obligations. LOL


Perhaps the producers of CNBS can play their theme song on Monday morning.. Shall we say 7:05 AM? It provides me a few moments to fine-tune my early morning eyeballs to undoubtedly watch the circus attraction.


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:17 | 3045745 Yen Cross
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 I should give you more kudos... You do a great job with your posts, and I appreciate your input. 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:30 | 3045771 FMR Bankster
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The radical Islamists brought their own over from Libya after they took down the goverment there. Notice how the media NEVER talked about what happened to the Chem and Bio weapons in Libya. Might have detracted from the great Obama's victory there.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 18:29 | 3045993 lakecity55
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Rebels: we take these CW weapons to Syria!

US Ambassador: No you won't. O'Muslim won't allow it!

Rebels: That sunni fool? NO. We take CW from Benghazi. We kill you, infidel!

Ambassodor: Ha. We have drones overhead. O'Muslim will defend us!

Rebels: Die,Infidels! BOOM!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:06 | 3045617 Bam_Man
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Time to bring in a new, new dictator.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:29 | 3045660 JackT
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Vampire Squiditator?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:45 | 3045693 Zero Debt
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:11 | 3045623 lolmao500
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Very bullish in Syria :

Syria Says Rebels May Use Chemical Weapons From A Mysterious Factory Near Aleppo

Everything is in place... the rebels just have to use those weapons and then the west will blame Assad and then the military contractors can make tens of billions!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:19 | 3045637 Yen Cross
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Well done lolmao500 ;-)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:20 | 3045751 lolmao500
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And in the tin foil hat section :

John Titor December 2000 :

The Arab countries appear to have weapons of mass destruction. Do they use them against America?

Not against America but they are used against each other.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:58 | 3045783 Yen Cross
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 After 2 years of abuse on Z/H, my Teflon Coating ™  is pretty thick...

I like Coast to Coast / Immagination without visualization...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:14 | 3045624 Jumbotron
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And anybody that says they are suprised at this should be have the balls kicked clean off.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:14 | 3045628 dolph9
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This is what collapse looks like, for those of us looking forward to it.

This is why the Fed is doing what it is doing, and why the government pays people to eat.

Because this is the alternative.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:58 | 3045802's picture

Not at all. You're seeing in Egypt the end result of the very kind of top down corruption which exists in every government including the US government. The alternative to corruption is not seen in the spasmodic breakdown of oligarchy anymore than the alternative to cancer is seen in wasting and death. The alternative to corruption is individual sovereignty which regulates society through the application of individual rights and individual responsibilities.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:25 | 3045629 falak pema
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reform and renaissance chimes become counter-reform surge; like in history, when renaissance dies and religious wars of counter reform begin. 

Whats new! Edit of Trente is like Morsellini who decrees "I'm top dog! No Judges! Just Sharia!"

And Mary of Habsburg sits next to him with her legendary Habsburg lip. 

Pope and Emperor's sister run the heretic Flemish world in counter reform. 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:15 | 3045631 forrestdweller
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the king is dead. long live the king!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:16 | 3045632 surf0766
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Morsi and the brothers are secular and no harm to anyone .





Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:17 | 3045633 Yen Cross
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 As J.R. so poignantly scripted in another article/ the U.S. put the guy in power and gave him the money to do exactly what he is doing...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:18 | 3045636 JR
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When it’s Tuesday, it must be Belgium. But when it’s the weekend on Zero Hedge, it must be the Zionist view of the Middle East. Is it preferable to keep the military in the barracks and allow the protestors to kill each other?

If the thrust of this story is true, then the Muslim Brotherhood has just decided that it will be Israel’s representative in the Middle East. As this is absurd, so is the tone of this report; why not correlate Morsi's image with Mussolini again!

The man Morsi stops the war in Gaza: do you think Hillary Clinton did that? No! So it’s time for the Mossad to get Morsi out of there.

And the propaganda to thwart Morsi and the peace agreement begins.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:26 | 3045653 Tyler Durden
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It is "preferable" that the head of a regime elected under the guise of democratic change (see "pillar" State Dept memo above) endorse democratic policies instead of unilaterally declaring himself above the law and unilaterally deciding which part of the population deserves the full wrath of a military tasked with defending the country against foreign enemies.

Of course, to some this will be a Zionist conspiracy. To other: anti-Zionist.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:33 | 3045668 JackT
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...Or just plain Tyranny

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:45 | 3045692 JR
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If looks like a duck and it walks like a duck, it’s a duck.

If Morsi’s elected government is a threat to Israel and if Israel benefits from his removal and if figures such as the late Omar Suleiman, the once-powerful head of Egypt’s intelligence service who represented the old government, were to be re-installed by the military, then Israel’s aims will have been achieved.

To believe that the Mossad and the CIA are not on the ground in Cairo at this minute is a pretty difficult assumption. It’s becoming a very obvious case of cui bono, who benefits?

As to the revolution, it included millions; as to these protests in the so-called counter-revolution -- half of whom are the Muslim Brotherhood -- the numbers appear to be only a few thousand – many of them hardcore, long-term liberal agitators.

Tyler, in the end, America will be best served by the advancements of representative government, be it in the United States or in the Middle East. And the world’s peoples will be diminished by the reappearance of more puppet governments serving the international bankers and the American Empire.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:55 | 3045707 Yen Cross
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 This non-debacle, is even better scripted then Benghazi... CNN reporter finds evidence after CIA cleanup, and FBI can't enter area for(forensics) 2 weeks after event becomes public... Give me a break!

  This is an exercise to test the will of the real leaders in Egypt... The military Mullahs...  

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:57 | 3045710 Zero Debt
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America will be best served by minding its own business and taking care of the people at home rather than installing puppet dictators around the world.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:11 | 3045818 DaveyJones
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that's not what empires do

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:42 | 3045834 Yen Cross
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 History repeats, no matter how long the Human life span gets/


  He/She with the gold, will have good intentions,(flaunt them), and purchase the " Hope Diamond"...


Encyclopedia Smithsonian: Hope Diamond
Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:57 | 3045712 Freddie
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Morsi was "elected" just like obam was elected twice.  The Egyptian people know a rigged Chicago election when they see it.  Just like Jimmy carter vouching for Chavez rigged elections.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:11 | 3045733 Yen Cross
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 That is correct... Morsi was elected, and he made promises of transparancy!

He(Morsi) reminds me of that other corrupt $ swizzling [poker player] in "Afghanisatan"... What is that 2 faced a-holes name? Hamid Karzai!

  Those 2 matching book ends, belong in the(anals> annals) of abject U.S. foreign policy failure! (oopsie)...


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:54 | 3045704 ApollyonDestroy
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On to the people?? oh no no march East already; the Beast can't wait to showcase it's killing skills!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:15 | 3045826 DaveyJones
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the political polarity plague

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:58 | 3045659 Freddie
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I hope the Egyptian people find some rope and a lamppost for Morrissey.  Opps not the libtard gay singer from The Smiths but the Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qeada Obam Chicago NWO puppet.   Hillary, Bill and these other Dem are vermin.

I hope the Egyptian military tell Morsi to get screwed and the army continue to back and protect the people. 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:26 | 3045655 tooriskytoinvest
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Morsi Authorizes Army to Keep Order in Cairo - Preps for Martial Law. Warns of "Disastrous Consequences" !!!


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:30 | 3045664 Joebloinvestor
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As soon as I read the words, "Peace and stability" I saw another US backed dictator.

This is what the US labels all its' backing of dictators with.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:33 | 3045670 q99x2
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Whirlwinds of fire and brimstone follow Hillary wherever she goes. Riots follow in her wake. Looks like the Rothchilds have to cough up a few more bucks.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:46 | 3045675 Yen Cross
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 Buy the new "Hillary M/E Shoe Collection", due out 12-22-2012.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:38 | 3045680 Hondo
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Just like the last dictator  

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:39 | 3045681 news printer
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Martial Law was permanent in Egypt ->

And yesterday news --> El-Mahalla City in Egypt declares independence

A five thousand-strong crowd seized the town administration, and unfolded a banner of the united Egyptian opposition - the National Salvation Front. El-Mahalla el-Kubra, a town of 450 thousand, north of Cairo, is dubbed the cradle of the Egyptian revolution.


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:39 | 3045682 Atomizer
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Clinton Meets Egypt’s Mursi, Seeking Gaza Truce


It'll all come back to Benghazi.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:12 | 3045819 wee-weed up
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No it won't. The Obama lapdog-media will make sure that whatever happened in Benghazi stays in Benghazi. The story is being covered up to protect the One. Move along... nothing to see here...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:41 | 3045686 905ozs
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Mmm, of course its Rothschild.

Around me, I see a slow awakening.
My colleagues are starting to look at things differently, in a small way.

I bang the silver drum to any & all'.
But, I think it's going to take till 2015 for SLV to go $800...whatever that is:) $? & here, it isn't easy to sell physical silver!..?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:50 | 3045698 kliguy38
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SLV will be zero when it is discovered to be just another paper conduit for those foolish enough to invest in it long term Buy physical if you wish to profit off of 800 dollar silver. Besides at that price you're going to have a lot more to worry about than just protecting your wealth......

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:51 | 3045700 djsmps
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Is Hillary the whale?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:06 | 3045811 Yen Cross
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 I know the/  

"artistic orator", for that question.  Mr. banzai -7

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 14:55 | 3045706 I am Jobe
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Hillary in 2016 , holy shit. Amerika is already a Clusterfuck and Ameriak is creating and enforcing more clusterfucks around the world.


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:01 | 3045716 Freddie
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It will be Jeb versus Hillary in another rigged election.  Americans are TV watching sheep.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:29 | 3045767 Atomizer
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2016 election ads will resemble MTV episodes of Buckwild


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:04 | 3045717 max2205
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Bad news is good news....the worse the better...go PPT !

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:03 | 3045718 max2205
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Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:04 | 3045724 905ozs
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...from South Africa .
When the shtf, a smallholding here, behind the Drakensberg mountains, boreholewater, pop 23:1000, fab remote infrastructure & roads.

A small beachside farm with good water, no debt, a Hilux, xc800 Triumph :) prepped & everything inordinately sorted.
Work & live in Durban SA for the worlds largest company at h/o
A good place to be.

Any ZHers are welcome here :)

Any whom can't make it

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:42 | 3045865 Urban Redneck
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Just be sure to beat the rush hour traffic, the Free Shit Army is likely to eat big box for lunch before going full zombie... Good Luck from the Gulf of Guinea (and snowy Switzerland right now).

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:08 | 3045731 beaglebog
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Once again, the trusting plebs discover the REAL purpose of the Standing Army.


Are you listening, yet?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:10 | 3045737 JR
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From a nation whose beginnings were the result of a revolution and whose resolve came from its understanding and support for freedom, namely America, this should be the last place on earth to judge the Egyptian Revolution while it is still in progress. It was a revolution against tyranny and if the measures taken are too much too soon, let them be negotiated until an agreement on bringing a draft Constitution to the people is assured. But to use every pretext to support a counter-revolution which without a doubt will bring a Mubarak loyalist back to power is a role that American voices, including Zero Hedge's, should not take.

Here’s background on what Morsi faced in Egypt:

Egypt’s Morsi Drops a Bombshellby Eric Margolis

November 26, 2012--A year ago, I was mixing with demonstrators in Cairo’s Tahrir Square calling for an end to Mubarak’s dictatorship and democracy for Egypt’s 84 million people.

Being a natural-born firebrand, I find most revolutions intoxicating – if almost inevitably disappointing or even ghastly.

What a difference a year makes. Tahrir Square is now packed with Egyptians protesting against the new revolutionary government led by the elected president, Mohamed Morsi. Egypt is in political turmoil.

Morsi was fresh from brokering a cease-fire in Gaza that earned fulsome praise for him from Washington which had until then been cool to Egypt’s first ever democratically-elected president. Islamist Morsi then turned around and staged a bombshell auto-coup.

Morsi issued a decree granting him extensive – critics charge dictatorial – powers that exempts all of Morsi’s decisions and those of the elected constituent assembly from challenge by Egypt’s courts and other high government institutions. The decree is valid until a new parliament is elected.

Howls of "dictatorship" came from Egypt and from many nations abroad – the very same nations that warmly collaborated with Mubarak’s ugly dictatorship for 30 years. Foes of the Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood cried, "You see, you can’t trust those Islamists.

All this is very curious. So far, Morsi has moved with extreme prudence to implement free elections, reassure Christians and secular liberals, and deftly break the iron grip of Egypt’s bloated armed forces. Few believed that the colorless, low-key Morsi, a former political prisoner, would be able to out-maneuver Egypt’s powerful, US-backed generals. But he did, with deftness and remarkable skill, getting younger senior officers to gently oust the pharaonic old guard.

Morsi managed to rein in the armed forces and return Egypt to civilian control. But, until this week, Morsi and his allies in the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party were unable to oust an entrenched cadre of Mubarak-appointed officials and henchmen in the judiciary, security police, academia, media and the diplomatic corps.

They constitute what is known as Egypt’s "deep government," the real power in the nation that reported directly to Mubarak’s entourage.

This parallel regime had thwarted many of Morsi’s efforts to reform the corrupt ruling system, construct a truly democratic republic, and break the hold of Egypt’s pampered, westernized urban elite who enjoyed almost total political and economic power under Mubarak.

Egypt’s "deep government" very closely resembles a similar Kemalist secular ruling structure in Turkey that controlled the powerful military, security services, courts, universities, media, big business cartels, and Islamic religious institutions. – and was closely allied to the US and Israel.

Breaking the grip of the Turkey’s "deep government" took now PM Recep Erdogan and his AK Party ten years of patient siege – longer than Sultan Mehmet to capture Constantinople. Erdogan finally managed to put the military and security forces under civilian control, free much of the economy from the Kemalist elite, and turn Turkey into a impressive if not perfect modern democracy – generating a 7% growth rate.

President Morsi is now trying this same shock therapy for Egypt, which desperately needs to be shaken up and modernized. His biggest problem: Egypt can’t feed itself nor generate funds to import food. So Cairo is forced to rely on the United States and, now, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, for a financial lifeline.

Spare parts and munitions for Egypt’s US-equipped military are kept scarce by Washington, meaning it can maintain internal security but not fight Israel or any other power.

Now, however, the formerly cautious, plodding Morsi has staged a coup of sorts to purge what he calls the Mubarakist "weeviles’ thwarting reform. Could the cure be worse than the disease?

Morsi’s coup has scared a lot of Egyptians and done nothing to burnish the reputation of political Islamists. While his thunderous action is in good part understandable, he should have taken a slower, more patient Turkish approach. His abrupt action causes his many domestic and foreign foes to unite against him.

Maybe Mohamed Morsi will indeed renounce his newly assumed powers once a democratic parliament opens and a new constitution enacted. If he does, he will be hailed as a second Pericles or George Washington.

Alas, as Lord Acton so famously and wisely warned, "all power corrupts; ultimate power corrupts absolutely."

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:24 | 3045759 Yen Cross
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Wouldn't it be great if there were(still) some undiscovered continents, and Monarchies funding crazy men with visions of grandure?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:14 | 3045740 earleflorida
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let's take a look at america's, 'council on foreign relations [cfr]' and their 'rise-to-a-fail'd-neo-think-tank... this obscured  osmosis of degenerated grey-matter, deliberately jammed, and packed into one cavity?, for a moment- shall we?

we have a civil war in libya?-- a civil war in syria, no mistaking this one?-- a civil war fomenting in egypt... and a soon to be civil war in lebanon-- not to leave out, or dare forget bahrain, and yeman--lastly, sudan...?

the red sea soon will be a bloody red, whilst the persian gulf will have an american made 'red tide' via our freedom spreading 'cfr'!

bravo america, and your bellicose multitasking 'freedom fighters'!  as the world is slowly turning, churning your generosity of foreign aid, vis-a-vis the mic's 'wmd' dual treachery 'mo?'... into the greatest passion play of tragic proportions and consequences- having already read the ill-fated script!!!

thankyou tyler    


Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:15 | 3045830 JR
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Generosity of foreign aid?  More like bribes.

Egypt gets U.S. foreign aid which was instituted in order that the U.S. have a pass to give unbelievable foreign aid to Israel.

But with a government in power in Egypt responsible to the people of Egypt, the Mubarak-era bribe will no longer apply.

However, this foreign aid at the moment is important for whoever controls Egypt to begin establishing a responsible economy. The people of Egypt need that foreign aid; Mubarak stole the money. He used very little of the help that he got from the US for his own people as evidenced by the amount of riches that his extended family enjoyed at the expense of the poverty of the Egyptian people.

Eventually, I believe, Egypt will be able to operate on its own without foreign aid; on the other hand, I believe Israel won’t.

Morsi has a delicate role to play; he needs to be on friendly relations with the U.S. and the US needs to be on friendly relations with him. There’s no advantage for either to cut the ties.

However, should you want to cut off the aid, the US could cut off Egyptian foreign aid and then Egypt would have no obligation whatsoever to the US.  Then, Egypt can get more aid from other Islamic nations and it will no longer be necessary for Hillary to visit.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:30 | 3045852 earleflorida
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Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:46 | 3045944 lakecity55
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Yep, CFR=NGO to Rule America.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:16 | 3045744 michael_engineer
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I kinda pointed out in a post a while back that :


For the people seeking change, typically they want more of everything, they want stronger economies, and they want jobs. Most of the people in those countries might only see the deceptive causality of money, as more money typically means more goods and services. The poor and middle class might think that by leveling the playing field between rich and poor, that things will improve. But the Hubbert Curve strongly implies that at some point there will be structural constraints that may result in less goods and services available. Hence, the change that the people in those countries are looking for may be very hard to get. Even in leveling the playing field, with the Hubbert Curve possibly forcing a decrease in goods and services, the people in the streets might not get the change that they seek. They may be better off than they would have been under other conditions, but they may not even recognize that relativity and so they will keep seeking more change. .

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:43 | 3045784 Segestan
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The ME has yet another tin head dictator...... wow, just wow!!!!!    . Who coulda thunk it???

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:52 | 3045796 H E D G E H O G
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"they would not tolerate violence". so we'll just kill all the bastards if they protest, then no more violence. makes sense to me.............................

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:19 | 3045833 Maghreb
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Looks like there is going to be an opening for a new dictator in Egypt soon. I think you should send them a CV

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:24 | 3045843 knukles
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Does the job description require a naturally born Egyptian or can it be  Kenyan with a false birth certificate?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:52 | 3045797 F. Bastiat
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Folks tend to forget that the Arab Spring was intended to be a model for the "Occupy" domestic insurrection conjured up by Andrew Stern and fomented by the bastard son of Frank Marshall Davis.

For those who don't know, devout marxist Andrew Stern was the most frequent visitor to the White House in 2010.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:16 | 3045907 lakecity55
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....And, Wm. Ayers and some other NGO types spent a number of mos. in Egypt working with the revolutionaries. Remember, too, an NGO sponsored by State was thrown out a few months back. Same as is happening in Russia; Putin is throwing out US NGOs.

Maybe an alliance between Marxists and Jihadists here, as I have suspected.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:54 | 3045798 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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When people get hungry they riot.  Unfortunately by the time Americans are hungry they will not think to protest the US government, they will loot Dennys and Wallmart.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:23 | 3045841 Maghreb
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Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:03 | 3045807 Yen Cross
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not a chance •



Would Assad / AKA Turkey Neck/ AKA Big Bird/ go all in on his SERFS?  

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:16 | 3045829 marcusfenix
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Morsi is a puppet, he is not authorizing anything, the military owns Egypt, lock, stock and barrel, nothing happens in that country without the approval of the military counsel. it was the military that brokered the "truce" between Israel and Hamas, Morsi was just the mouthpiece and will remain so for as long as the counsel finds him to be useful, after that, him and his entire party will go the way of Mubarak.

anybody who aspires to be president of Egypt had better not value job security...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:27 | 3045848 Yen Cross
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  The Egyptian Military is no Different then the Iranian Revolutionary Guard/ 

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:32 | 3045855 marcusfenix
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Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:56 | 3045882 JR
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Your description, marcusfenix, is excellent and all inclusive; but out of date.

When Mubarak was in place the military did control Egypt and during the revolution was in constant evidence. But, lately, because of his stature as an elected president, Morsi began a combination of negotiations to gain leverage leading to greater civilian control, at one point replacing top military officials who had been loyal to Mubarak and installing officers who would support civilian control.

For the Morsi government now to conform to Mubarak military demands would be as if in the American Revolution, when the last battle was fought and won, the Colonists asked England to send a caretaker representative to help them form a government.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:07 | 3045901 Yen Cross
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 We all know about the Battle of Georgetown. Or do we?  It's all about smiles and Cheese Burgers, now a-days...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:21 | 3045839 knukles
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So how much gold have they got and where's it stored, BITCHEZ?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 16:30 | 3045853 Yen Cross
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"Pieces of Eight" bitchez /

   Whe says it's xau?

  Small coinage has been being run through Turkey and Jordan for almost 2 years, via couriers) meeting local import laws/

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:01 | 3045891 EuroInhabitant
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Hmmm, my dear Americans: it's YOU that is delevering Morsi's weapons. Your president, your tax money being used.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:24 | 3045911 Catullus
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Be careful, ZH.  Seems like simpleton logic here.  Nothing is what it seems.  Nor should anyone believe that Morsi has control of the military.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:26 | 3045921 nah
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whats wrong with a constitutional amendment explicitly allowing women to be babysitters for the rest of their lives

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:34 | 3045932 valkir
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What was the name of the beauty near the beast?The beauty with the glases?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:38 | 3045936 Fix It Again Timmy
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A hard line is just something that needs to be erased....

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:44 | 3045939 Fix It Again Timmy
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Wow, after looking at that picture of Hillary, I need a good drink.

Here's the antidote for looking at a picture of H.:

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 17:50 | 3045950 JamesBond
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Excuse me, Mr. Dictator but do these pants make me look fat?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 11:43 | 3046821 e-recep
e-recep's picture

eww, that was gross. i checked hitlery's legs, i wish i didn't.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 19:48 | 3046119 toomanyfakecons...
toomanyfakeconservatives's picture

Billary looks like a stuffed sausage. When the time comes, I sincerely hope her execution is televised.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 09:58 | 3046695 San Diego Gold Bug
San Diego Gold Bug's picture

Hard to fight a dictator without "Long Guns"!!


Firearm Regulation - Guiding Policy:
The regulation of guns in Egypt is categorised as restrictive13

Guns in Egypt are regulated by the Ministry of the Interior7

In Egypt, civilians are not allowed to possess long guns7

In Egypt, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted7

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