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First Coke, Now Bloody Center - Government Feed-tervention Escalates

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The personal freedom to indulge in 32 ounces of sugary corn-syrup-filled fizzy drinks left New Yorkers with a nasty libertarian taste in their mouths. Now, a few months later, as The Telegraph reports that UK council officials are cracking down on the freedom to choose how your burger is done, warning restaurants not to offer them rare or even medium-rare. Of course, this is proposed to be in the best interests of the eating public focused on "making sure customers are eating meat that is a not a threat to their health." This policy, set to the subject of a legal ruling shortly, leavs some to suggest it could destroy the gourmet burger industry (by mandating lengthy cooking times): "Not only that but you’re opening a Pandora’s box, because where do you finish? Steak tartare, runny eggs … the list is endless." Soylent Green anyone?


Via The Telegraph:

Now council officials are cracking down on the freedom to choose how your burger is done, warning restaurants not to offer them rare or even medium-rare.


A number of celebrity chefs are affected by the move, including Gordon Ramsay, whose Maze Grill restaurant sells a burger for £12, Angela Hartnett, whose York and Albany’s bar menu includes burgers, and the Soho House chain, run by Nick Jones, the husband of broadcaster Kirsty Young.


All face being asked at their next routine inspection how they offer their burgers after the decision by Westminster city council, which regulates food safety in more restaurants than any other local authority.


The decision is expected to be followed by other councils, but critics fear it could lead to questions over the safety of rare steaks and raw meat dishes such as steak tartare.


The policy is to be the subject of a legal ruling.


After routine inspections by environmental health officers, Westminster council challenged the way Davy’s was serving its £13.95 burgers at one of its restaurants in central London. Davy’s has taken the case to the High Court, which experts say could set a legal precedent as to whether or not diners will be able to order meat rare.


A Davy’s spokesman said: “The burgers are produced from high quality ingredients and Davy’s contends that it has safe measures in place to serve rare or medium-rare burgers.”


James Armitage, the council’s food health and safety manager, said: “This is about making sure customers are eating meat that is not a threat to their health. It is possible to produce burgers that can be eaten undercooked, but strict controls are essential.


“We have enlisted the UK’s top expert on E. coli, Prof Hugh Pennington, to get this matter resolved and he has outlined that rare minced meat that is not correctly cooked and prepared can kill.”


But John Cadieux, the executive head chef for the Burger and Lobster chain, said: “If you follow the guidelines to the letter then you’re going to destroy the burger industry.


“Not only that but you’re opening a Pandora’s box, because where do you finish? Steak tartare, runny eggs … the list is endless.”


According to the Food Standards Agency (FSA), there are no rules banning the sale of raw or rare meat by restaurants or caterers.


Tony Lewis, of the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health, said: the case would have “nationwide implications”.


“At present the guidance from the FSA is that for burgers the meat should be cooked at 158F (70C) for two minutes,” he said. “If Westminster loses the case we will have to reassess.”


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Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:01 | 3047042 Frastric
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All part of Cameron's austerity Britain...

Open for business indeed...

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:19 | 3047073 goldm3mb3r
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As a Brit I can confirm that they are a bunch of whinging , nanny state loving , socialist bed-wetters.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:24 | 3047083 Frastric
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Being also a Brit to, I am very well aware of this obsession with far-flung scientific reports and how the government and the media pounce upon them to scaremonger the sheeple... It's a farce that has become ever so boring...

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:35 | 3047098 magpie
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Without the media percolation emitting from Londonistan, it's a non-issue like Bumfuck, Ontario issuing a communal ordinance.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:58 | 3047146 TheFourthStooge-ing
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At least they can still eat Spotted Dick.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 16:29 | 3047265 Oleander
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I brought this to a company Chtistmas party once. I would probably get in trouble these days as in Mass. it would be deemed very insensitive. Sounds better than Spotted vagina though.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 17:40 | 3047352 Pool Shark
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Rare Prime Rib is now done; literally.

Stick a fork in it...


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 18:17 | 3047395 TruthInSunshine
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The reason why they have to cook the grist they call hamburger to 5000 degrees celsius is that the animals being raised on big agri feedlots are toxic repositories of chemicals, pus and fecal matter, and even radiating their dead ass carcasses isn't enough to ensure the last traces of contaminants are rendered neutralized.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 19:26 | 3047472 Beam Me Up Scotty
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This is what so called "free" government universal healthcare gets you. Universal limits on your freedoms. Once again, the nanny state tries to eliminate moral hazard in any way shape and form. If someone eats a rare burger and gets sick, then it's their problem--or it should be.

And everything is bad for you to some degree, since we are all born terminally ill. On a long enough time line.....

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:31 | 3047573 francis_sawyer
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For he himself has said it...

& It's greatly to his cre-e-dit (that he IS an Englishman)...


Mon, 12/10/2012 - 11:26 | 3048539 gmrpeabody
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Maybe everybody who wants gourmet will stay at home and learn to cook properly...

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 19:51 | 3047518 Flakmeister
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Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis anyone?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 23:35 | 3047792 sun tzu
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Heat does not destroy the prions

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 00:16 | 3047881 Flakmeister
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Just a general comment on eating *any* British beef.....

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:34 | 3047576 nmewn
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I've always found it interesting that the loudest ones complaining about what someone chooses to eat, are also the loudest ones promoting government assisted suicide and/or other death mechanism.

Must be a timng or personal monetary concern to them instead of just a humanity thingy...runny eggs and bacon are on me! ;-)

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 21:20 | 3047612 Yen Cross
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Bacon and everything.  Run you HOGS/ I'm hungry....

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 03:45 | 3048075 Marco
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You don't get e-coli in ground meat from the animals ... it gets there the same way it's always gotten there ...

Personally I think a health warning for easily contaminated food wouldn't be entirely reaching too far, but raw egg based dishes are more dangerous than meat by far. Most people know what they are getting into with uncooked meat, whereas with a lot of dishes people have no idea it uses raw eggs.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 15:05 | 3049236 Roosting Chicken
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Right.  It's not the meat that naturally contains E coli.  It's in the processing.  Hamburger is slopped around and not very controlled during processing, even fecal matter gets in there.  Any cuts of beef are safe to eat rare because they are not processed that way.  If you want freedom to enjoy med-rare hamburger, I say you should have your freedom because I believe in natural selection. But you not very smart if you do eat raw burger. 

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:55 | 3047138 Rip van Wrinkle
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Every f'ing day yet another press release from the Health Nazi Party is relayed to the peasants via their propaganda arm, the British Bullshit Corporation and their, since Leveson. sidekick news organisation, Sky News. This will kill you, That will ensure you suffer from a desperately disgusting disease that affects the brain. Some disease called 'thinking'? You turn from one station to the other and it's pracrtically syncronised.


Drives me nuts.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:48 | 3047587 nmewn
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Give this man a round of applause!

Fuck them...and their "go get your flu shot" campaign because the World Health Organization has members heavilly invested in pharma while the vaccine is going bad on the shelf!

Fuck them...because some people like a raw egg in their beer!

Fuck them...because I like a medium rare steak UNTRIMMED of fat!

OMG!!!...I'm going to die from eating an ice cream cone!

Fucking food nazis...I'm sick of them before its even gotten ramped up good.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 21:48 | 3047645 Miffed Microbio...
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Nmewn, the terrifying reality on the horizon is that that goddamn shot will become mandatory. I was pressured 15 years ago to get it and like a dumb sheeple did it. I had a horrible reaction... Worse than if I had gotten the flu. They claimed it wasn't the flu shot, I had gotten the " other" stain of flu. The next year I got it again like a good little sheep because I believed them. Well, I was rushed to the hospital with a 104 fever and screaming in pain, my joints were on fire. They told me again I got the "other" stain. Curiously my family including my 70 year old mother in law never got this mysterious strain either time. How fucking unusual for something highly contagious as influenza. After extensive research I believe I have an allergy to the adjuvant in the vaccine, if true I have a great chance of developing autoimmune diseases because of these 2 shots. Several hospitals across the country have fired personnel for not getting the shot,requiring 100% compliance. I may be forced into a corner... My job or my life? Eventually Natzi American will hit us all as some point . I'm preparing to make a stand.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:38 | 3047703 nmewn
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I made my stand on the government/MSM controlled Swine Flu NON-pandemic a few years ago and put mine on notice that if their "government school nurse" came at them with a syringe or spray they were to run...and if cornered...fight with whatever they had at hand.

Once getting away, call me and Mom.

In all fairness they sent a letter "advising" that they take the Swine Flu shot. I wrote in big black Sharpie pen (after checking off the appropriate boxes)...DO NOT...YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO INJECT OR SPRAY MY CHILDREN FOR ANYTHING!

We don't even allow them to be photographed or videoed for the states propaganda purposes.

We have never taken a flu shot and we're was hype at the very least.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 23:07 | 3047733 Miffed Microbio...
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High five from me to you! During the H1N1 2009 swine flu mass hysteria I went through bloody hell. I was the only one refused vaccination. Right when the epidemic started I had already contracted it. It was a very harsh flu ( mr miffed was not pleased when I gave it to him as well). When I recovered I was chosen to run all the flu analysis at our hospital because I was immune. People we're terrified to touch the samples. The following year the strain was included in the shot and they insisted I get the shot. I fought back because getting the actual live virus induces FAR greater immunity than the shitty shot. This is why they push this damn shot every year, immunity from vaccination is poor. Studies have shown this. Of course I'm not providing a much needed income stream to big Pharma . that in reality lies the crux and people like me must be eliminated or the whole system will be exposed for what it is. Good to here you saved your kids from that toxic shit....don't get me started on Gardacil.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 21:09 | 3047606 Terminus C
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Farmagedon bitches.

Watch this if you still question whether or not you still think you live in a free country.

U.S. Gov = Nazi

nuf said...

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 16:27 | 3047263 Pseudo Anonym
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forget who they are:

they are a bunch of whinging , nanny state loving , socialist bed-wetters

it's all about conditioning, obedience and submitting yourself to the state authority

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 05:56 | 3048130 StandardDeviant
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Yes, to hell with the "'Elf-n-Safety" Gestapo.

I've gotten this "medium-at-least" rubbish from restaurants here in London.  The answer?  "Fine.  I'll have it 'medium' then -- and please tell the chef that if it's not pink inside, I'll be sending it back."  Any chef with the slightest love of food, and sense of pride in his work, will understand.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 11:33 | 3048567 gmrpeabody
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One can only hope...

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:05 | 3047050 williambanzai7
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Two Mad Cow Burgers to go...


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:15 | 3047068 Manthong
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If you follow your Steak Tartare with a single malt big gulp, you not only will feel pretty good, but you will take care of that little bacteria concern as well. 

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:52 | 3047133 A Nanny Moose
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Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:16 | 3047071 adr
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Shouldn't that have been Obama's head with a cow body?

I'm laughing just picturing that.

Then you have to add Michelle standing over him with a knife and fork.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:33 | 3047096 earleflorida
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Sun, 12/09/2012 - 21:14 | 3047608 Yen Cross
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That was awesome WB-7?  How in the heck do you find, ( transpose retarded politicians) into humor?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:08 | 3047057 Conflict of Interest
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First they came for the Big Gulps, but I said nothing for I drank only water.  Then they came for the burgers and I said nothing for I eschewed red meat.  Now they are after sushi and there are none left to speak for me.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:37 | 3047084 Waterfallsparkles
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I know.   Have you ever seen the video where they are pulling worms out of raw fish?  Here is one of them.

And this one.

Woman almost died.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 17:41 | 3047353 francis_the_won...
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You say that like worms are a bad thing?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 18:49 | 3047426 Waterfallsparkles
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I do not know about you but I would not want them reproducing in my Gut or my Brain.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 19:30 | 3047481 Miffed Microbio...
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You'd be shocked to find out how many places one can pick up worms. After working 25 years in parasitology I've seen things that were quite shocking. That series Monsters inside Me will really scare you but to be honest, serious parasitic infections are quite rare in the USA. We had a hippy couple a few years back lose their 3 year old child to Baylisascaris (racoon parasite that goes to the humane brain) because they loved raccoons and fed them regularly at their house. Unfortunately the racoons latrined in the child's sandbox. Many people get Toxoplasma from cat feces and research is showing it could explain some suicides. Taenia solium ( pork tape worm) has an unusual predilection for the brain and can form abscesses ( the reason you don't see pork tartare!) Most people in the USA tend to pick up parasites ( except for giardia) from foreign travel and not always from food. Google " humane bot fly " for something akin to Alien!

Miffed :-)

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:31 | 3047572 Cathartes Aura
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I remember reading about a guy who travelled to *cough* acquire a hookworm that cured his asthma - no doubt you've had this story shared with you more than a few times, heh. . .

here's his "practical guide"

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 21:03 | 3047600 Miffed Microbio...
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Yes I read about this guy! He actually put into practice what so many had theorized. Fascinating and gutsy man. I myself had severe asthma for 30 years. I met a group of raw vegans who convinced me to try raw juice fasting. After a year later and 5 three week juice fasts my asthma was gone. I also cleaned out all the chemical cleaners and detergents ( sorry Dow). I was shocked to find out how there is formaldehyde in drier sheets! Haven't used an inhaler in six years. Quite a feat considering I used to take four puffs every four hours around the clock for 30 years. I'm sure I'd be infecting myself now with hookworm if I hadn't already found my cure. Asthma is like slowly drowning ; those that never had it have no idea how terrifying it is.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:17 | 3047670 Cathartes Aura
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I had a bout with some asthma-like-symptoms (no label, as no "doctor" intervention happened) last winter, 2am couldn't breathe past gasps, and had to go outside into cold night air for even those. . .

did the H202 inhale thing, every few hours - and after 24 hours, I could breathe again.  it took about 4 weeks to thoroughly eradicate the symptoms (lesser version recurrence over first couple of weeks), but I've not had anything like it since.

nor do I ever want to - it truly is a terrifying experience to not be able to get air into one's lungs!

for pennies a day. . .

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:39 | 3047704 Miffed Microbio...
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Tx! I'll keep that in mind if I ever have another attack.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:42 | 3047112 WmMcK
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I don't drink or smoke but I draw the (vice) line at red meat and brown sugar (and metals, of course).

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:45 | 3047119 Skateboarder
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The future of food... a useless eater may not cook its own meals. All meals will be provided by the State. A list of sample laws is given:

- A useless eater may eat no more than 1/2 a carrot per day. It will be cooked to mush. Consumption of raw or partially cooked vegetables is strictly illegal.

- A useless eater may not eat eggs sunny side up, over easy, or over medium. All yolks will be cooked solid.

- A useless eater may not eat more than 500g HFCS per day. Each item available will have a maximum of 30g HFCS. Consumption of cane sugar is strictly illegal.

- A useless eater will be issued 1 bag of doritos, 1 pop tart, 1 microwaveable pizza, and 2 cans of Mountain Dew a day. Additional food may be obtained by trading liesure hours for work.

- Gardening and farming are strictly illegal.

- Possession of an animal is strictly illegal.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:57 | 3047143 viahj
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"Eat recycled food.  It's good for the environment, and O.K. for you."

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 23:04 | 3047729 Bad Attitude
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You should watch the movie "The Human Centipede" (or the South Park parody "Humancentipad"), which gives "eat recycled food" a whole new meaning.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:02 | 3047530 AgShaman
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The "future of food".....

AKA....."A Useless Eater"

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:11 | 3047541 Cathartes Aura
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the "future of food" is already written, in the Codex Alimentarius, which everyone should familiarise themselves with. . . the agenda.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:30 | 3047569 Jendrzejczyk
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Nice site Cath.. Thanks.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:36 | 3047578 Cathartes Aura
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she's been on the warpath for years - really great community there, love this:

Rebooting the System Infographic

take care.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 02:33 | 3048046 Dr. Sandi
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Soylent Kraft, Bitchez.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:08 | 3047058 Central Bankster
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Why do these fascists hate freedom so much?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:21 | 3047078 goldm3mb3r
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It is the people who value their liberty too little, as long as someone will give them the illusion of security.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:29 | 3047090 XitSam
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Because they're fascists?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 16:40 | 3047271 flaunt
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They're not just fascists... They're control freaks.  Control freaks come in many flavors, fascist being one of them.  Control freaks hate freedom because obviously it impedes their ability to control everyone else.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:09 | 3047059 mjorden
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At least it will end the god awful Ring Worm epidemic ... 

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 16:01 | 3047228 JohnnyBriefcase
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I didn't see a "/sarc" so I feel obligated to point out that ring worm is a fungus.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:19 | 3047553 TheSettler
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Juice from a Black Walnut hull will kill ringworm dead...just one of my Granny's prescriptions that really do work...

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:42 | 3047583 Ginsengbull
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It also dyes gray hair, without all the metallic salts, which are poisonous and absorbed through the scalp.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:09 | 3047061 LoneStarHog
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I like my beef rare and my politicians crispy, thank you.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:12 | 3047065 mjorden
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Crispy? HA .. the good oils are being outlawed ... good luck with that ... you get soggy or you don't eat ... 

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 15:00 | 3047150 A Nanny Moose
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That's why we have BBQ. Light a Politician a fire, keep them warm for the night....

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 17:59 | 3047366 Taint Boil
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Hardee’s is bucking the trend (not a burger for tree huggers) by serving up the megaburger with 1,420 calories and 107 grams of fat - oh yeah!

The MegaBurger is better than sex ..........well almost.


In an interview on CNBC, Hardee's chief executive Andrew Puzder was unapologetic, saying the company's latest sandwich is "not a burger for tree-huggers."



Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:12 | 3047067 adr
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My grandfather ate raw ground beef with a slice of tomato and raw onion al the time. Called it a Moo Burger. He never got sick, but he was as stong as an ox and said jackets were for pussies.

The problem is the human immune system getting as lazy as the losers on disability watching TLC all day collecting government checks. When something never has to work, it turns utterly useless.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:31 | 3047091 DavidC
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Spot on adr.It's been suggested that the rise of asthma and related conditions is partly due to our immune systems not being as strong as they were. When I was a kid we used to make mud pies - the H&S people would have had kittens if they'd been around then - but I was never ill as a direct result of things like that.

It's all a result of infantilising us (if you don't destroy ALL germs in your house you'll DIE!) and fuckwits like these H&S people not knowing or understanding the ultimate results of their stupidity.

I don't swear very often but the term fuckwit is one I'm using more and more for idiots in positions of power.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:40 | 3047582 Jendrzejczyk
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This may interest you.

"It involves a great deal of research, a trip to Cameroon and a lot of barefoot walking in open air latrines in west Africa."

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:59 | 3047596 Cathartes Aura
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((hilarious - just linked that to Miffed above!))

hey, you!  offa my cloud!

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:40 | 3047107 FrankDrakman
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I experienced first hand the pussification of my North American immune system on my first visit to the Philippines. One lousy ice cube, and I had to spend five days chained to a toilet. Between the neo-fascists and the nanny staters, we are being stripped of our liberties and of our body's own ability to fight back. 

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 02:37 | 3048049 Dr. Sandi
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Protect yourself. Every day, eat lunch from the first catering truck that rolls in. You'll soon have an autoimmune system that will start attacking people in the same room with you.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 16:14 | 3047246 a growing concern
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LOL at "jackets were for pussies"

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 19:50 | 3047515 Miffed Microbio...
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That wonderful burger your grandad ate was not laced with Ecoli 157:h7 which is the product of modern beef production (AKA concentrated animal feeding operation). Raising animals standing on piles of their own feces and feeding them only corn which they biologically are unable to digest has been a recipe for disaster. Read Ominivores Dilemma for an inside look of the horrors of the modern American diet. I've eaten many a raw egg and rare steak but they were raised by me or a friend I know. Your grand dad's immune system would be hard pressed to deal with these horrible superbugs today. They are far more toxic and aggressive. Frankly they have only benefited my field, we have to deal with them daily. I take no joy in that.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:40 | 3047581 Ginsengbull
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Sulfa mustard.


I just invented that.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:41 | 3047611 Miffed Microbio...
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Sorry.....sulfa was for wimpy bugs of yore. The kind of bugs Ecoli 157:h7 laughs at and kicks sand in their face. The bugs today eat Sulfa for breakfast. Nice try tho!


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:14 | 3047069 tooriskytoinvest
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APOCALYPTO: The End Of World Panic Spreads Ahead Of Mayan Prophecy As Doomsayers Await The End Of World. Governments Try To Claim Their Citizens. Russians Stockpile...

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 00:51 | 3047946 dogbreath
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If it happens life will get interesting.  I am bored

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:19 | 3047074 Klazy Plick
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Waiter, I ordered pink slime.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:21 | 3047076 Waterfallsparkles
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Maybe this says more about the Food Processing Industry and its unsanitary conditions.

The only reason to require that hamburger be served cooked to death is if it contains contaminants that need to be cooked out of it. So people will not get sick.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:52 | 3047123 Waterfallsparkles
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I am not sure why someone junked me but please realize that I was commenting on the the safety of our food.

I agree that the Government should not regulate how we eat our food.

Yet, I do think the Government should regulate how the food is processed in the plants and the Restaurants for Food Safety.

It appears to me that Food Safety has become lax and the only way the Government wants to intervene is to restrict how we eat our food. 

Instead of Plant Worker sanitation, reduction of rodents, roaches, unclean plant equipment.  Cross contamination of animal feces with harvested meat.  A lot of the Meat that was used to make pink slime came from the rear end of the animal and there was cross contamination from feces.  That is why they used Ammonia to clean it for consumption.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 15:00 | 3047152 lyras
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At TEOTWAWKI you may have to lighten up.  Visit China, or any Asian country where they  have "lax" health rules (as well as absolutely delicious fresh food straight off the millions of street vendors' carts) and note the thriving populus.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 02:38 | 3048050 Dr. Sandi
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Food that doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 17:04 | 3047297 Acet
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While I didn't junk you, I want to point out that cooking does not heat the meat enough to destroy most contaminants - any non-organic contaminant (for example mercury) won't be affected by anything below a couple of thousand degree, while plenty of the organic ones will survive anything save for enough heat to turn the meat into charcoal.

The purpose of cooking is to kill bacteria.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:37 | 3047579 Ginsengbull
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160 degrees Farenheit kills all known pathogens.


Poisons will never be completely removed.



Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:18 | 3047678 andrewp111
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160 °F kills bacteria, but even burning it to charcoal at 500 °F won't kill the prions that cause mad cow.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 23:40 | 3047800 Ginsengbull
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Ain't that a bitch. We're effed if it's cooked mad cow anyway?


All probably a Hindu plot to poison our beef populations with human bone meal from diseased lower-castes from India.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:49 | 3047128 Phillycheesesteak
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Agreed. Years ago beef was ground by the local butcher, and if he had unsanitary conditions and caused sickness, he would hear about it from his customers. Now beef is ground in massive food processing plants, so if they have a problem many more people are affected. Anyone who wants to heat raw ground beef should really make it themselves. Just sear the outside of the cut, then grind away and let the blood run down your chin all you want.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 00:57 | 3047956 dogbreath
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I had some tartar from the deli on saturday.  yummy beutiful on a half italian loaf with a dash of sea salt and black pepper.  I passed on the finely chopped onions as I was starving and could wait to eat by chopping. 

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:28 | 3047088 XitSam
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Government is not a super-parent.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 19:50 | 3047517 Dr. Sandi
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Since most parents do a lousy job, I must disagree. Government IS a super-parent.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 02:16 | 3048030 dogbreath
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I agree.  dumb parents is a handicap

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:34 | 3047097 oddjob
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if restaurant patrons were made to walk thru the kitchen before they order, most would keep on walking.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 02:40 | 3048051 Dr. Sandi
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If they won't let you tour the kitchen, take a look at the john. The cleanliness in the loo is usually seen in the kitchen too.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:39 | 3047104 mrdenis
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Sound like what Corzine wanted to do in New Jersey a few yearso ago ,NO runny eggs had to be well done !

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 17:14 | 3047306 Big Corked Boots
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Actually that was Jim Florio around 1992. I gave you +1 anyway, pretty much any politician in the Garden State is scum.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:42 | 3047110 I am Jobe
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Next Amerikans will be told which toilet paper is good for them. I guess inbred fucks in the USSA need to be taken care off and decided they are all dumb afterall.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:20 | 3047555 Ginsengbull
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Corn cobs work.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:43 | 3047116 DavosSherman
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Island ZeroHedge: No government, one guiding principle: Do no harm. One consequence: Harm others and be banished losing your property, kill someone and get executed.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 16:17 | 3047251 a growing concern
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Where do we sign up?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:46 | 3047121 Joebloinvestor
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C'mon, it is because they cannot control E coli and never will.

Wait till you can only get a burger or any cut "very well done".

At least it isn't France, where they put Mad Cow infected meat into the system.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 19:53 | 3047520 Dr. Sandi
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In France, they're honest enough to let you in on the Mad Cow fiasco. Here in the Untied Snakes, they just do it and let your body figure it out later.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 00:59 | 3047962 dogbreath
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What about canada where convicted serial killer Pickton fed his victim to the pigs.  Everyone claims the pigs never got into the human food supply. 

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 02:21 | 3048034 Dr. Sandi
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But apparently, humans got into the pig food supply. Poor dumb pigs.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 14:45 | 3047122 DavosSherman
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"The personal freedom to indulge in 32 ounces of sugary corn-syrup-filled fizzy drinks left New Yorkers with a nasty libertarian taste in their mouths. "

+ 1!

And by a scumbag fucking dickless asshole moronic above the fucking law mayor who lands his helicopter on a heliport on weekends, despite a judges court order not to do so.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:14 | 3047547 Ginsengbull
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Do they allow a 32 oz cup of unsweetened iced tea?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 15:05 | 3047136 ThisIsBob
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Brother knows best.  We love Brother.



(PS:  Just remember, if they can do it to hamburger, they can do it to rib eye.)

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 15:05 | 3047162 rwe2late
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Where could this lead ???!!!

Restaurants could go out of business if they are prevented from serving foods laden with pesticides, herbicides, hormones, a multitude of chemicals, and possibly infected by new super-germs hardened against antibiotics.

Worse, what will it mean for factory “farms“, feedlots, big ag business, and the global chemical industry?

What will happen to Round-up profits? And what about global ag companies and all the other toxic products prohibited in the US and yet allowed for US foods imported?

Yes, let’s get the really big picture folks.

If we want food served to be safe, then food production must also be.

But how can that be done without intruding on the right of someone to poison, even to death, himself, family, and his children, or at least knowingly risk everyone being poisoned?.

Or without curtailing the producing and serving foods in whatever manner is most profitable, irrespective of associated super-weeds, super-bugs, super-germs, and level of cruelty?

If only there were some solution.

Best to pretend it is always best to do nothing.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:11 | 3047540 Ginsengbull
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Easy. They will just start a corporation that manufactures antiseptic marinades, to be injected into the circulatory systems of cattle before slaughtering. Next, they will lobby and legislate mandatory use of this propreitary process, thereby forcing all competitors to enrich their ballance sheets.


They can call it Round Up Bovine Formula.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 02:30 | 3048043 Dr. Sandi
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Maybe they can use Jack Daniel's good stuff. Sanitizes as it inebriates.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 15:17 | 3047174 q99x2
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You finish once the competition is eliminated.

No more Theraflu Malox Mylanta in the drugstores. Only the pharmacies brand of each available in SoCal. Not that you should take that shit anyhow but just saying.

It the attack of the corporation and government against the humans these days. Got my semi-annual Santa Monica parking ticket yesterday for $64 along with every other filled parking space driver that parked for the Christmas Run.

Don't go out of your house unless you are prepared to pay for the unexpected these days. And if you are in your house have your firearms ready. Myself, I'm prepared to put my gold in my pockets and run.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 15:21 | 3047178 RealityCheque
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Eating out is mostly overrated crap anyways. Rare burger, made at home for me.

On a side note: blue steak is fucking fantastic.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 15:46 | 3047207 deerhunter
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grind your own beef from roasts,  neck meat,  chuck yourself.  E-coli and some other nasty stuff occur in the intestines and when meat is ground in large operations contamination can occur from lax sanitation.  Even in a well run operation accidents do happen.   On the spotted dick thing,  bought a can of that for number 2 son-in-law for stocking stuffer for Christmas.  It was highlight of the day.  Happy eating to one and all. 

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 15:52 | 3047220 deerhunter
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One rant if I may.  I bow hunt in a far west suburb of Chicago,  legally.  The DNR is the one to set game laws and seasons.  A group of retirees from a retirement community saw a bow hunter hunting legal farmland putting his bow in the back of his truck and went to city hall to protest his deer hunting.  Now passed by city hall is a new law allowing citation to legal bow hunters for cruelty to animals.  Imagine.  We are not losing our rights.  We have lost.  First they came for the.......... and I said nothing.  

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 19:57 | 3047527 Ginsengbull
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Get night vision goggles, and kill them all.


I'm talking about the deer of course, not the retirees.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 16:11 | 3047240 Rustysilver
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Here in CT there is an areas isolated so deer don't have any predators.  No hunting allowed. Deer starve to dead because of overgrazing and of over population. Hunters have tried to change the law. You'd think they were trying to kill little children from the reaction. Sometimes I just want to give up.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 19:15 | 3047454 MilleniumJane
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Our town is like that too.  Too many deer, now the coyote population has been increasing to the point where they are becoming a nuisance, if not a danger, to the community.  Two coyotes were reported stalking a couple of kids who were walking home from their bus stop after school.  It's become a major problem, but the city refuses to allow any kind of hunting within the limits.  Can't let your kids play outside at night.  The packs are always out on the hunt.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 16:16 | 3047247 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Not the goverments call...but only an idiot orders a burger anything other than well-done when eating out.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 17:10 | 3047303 Volaille de Bresse
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At least it isn't France, where they put Mad Cow infected meat into the system"


You kidding? It originally stemmed from the UK and the Brits were only happy to spread the disease through Europe by selling their contaminated meat under a false "Raised in Ireland" ID...

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 17:27 | 3047322 Joebloinvestor
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I know it originated in the UK.

France let infected home grown meat enter the supply chain after it was banned.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 17:14 | 3047307 forrestdweller
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the just make people eat their burgers well done because the meat is of shitty quality, full of bactterias and other shit.

if they just start producing good quality meat, the problem will be solved in a more profound way.


Sun, 12/09/2012 - 17:51 | 3047365 Seer
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Pretty close!

Something like 85% of the problems with e-coli would be eliminated if finishing cattle on grass for one week: most of the problem is from CAFOs, which has cattle hanging around in feces-laden slaughter yards.  None of this is rocket science.

I think that we need to quit asking "them" to do anything, rather, we need to starts asking "us" to do, as in BIG = FAIL and it'll be up to localized (read "small") producers.

Yes, e-coli isn't fun, but neither is cancer from over-cooking meats:

Pretty soon home-cooking will be outlawed... Small-scale livestock production (not to mention stuff like raw milk) has been under attack for quite a while.  Gotta hand it to big business, they sure have the capacity to get us all in line...

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 18:15 | 3047393 Stuck on Zero
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Ever hear of government agriculture supports going to carrot farmers?  Brussells sprouts farmers? Organic tofu mkers?  Eggplant growers?  Avocado growers?  Cucumber growers?

Wheat, corn, and cattle get all the subsidies.

Did you know that to get a grade Prime or Choice for your beef it has to be maximally fatty?

Is the government looking after your health or what?

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 01:45 | 3048007 TBT or not TBT
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Animal fat isn't particularly bad for you, but the government and the American Heart Association(which needs a steady supply of heart patients), and rafts of marketers of "low-fat" products(full of cheap fillers and carbs) insist it is.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 19:03 | 3047442 Satan
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It ends with all of us queuing for our rations.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 19:50 | 3047516 Ginsengbull
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Pre-packaged, prepared, portions of artificially colored and flavored poison.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:00 | 3047528 Dr. Sandi
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Hence the phrase, "Eat shit and die."

We all do it, there's no way to avoid it. Even growing your own, it's damned hard to tell what's in the soil and compost.

One tip though, if your Mafco Organics brand compost glows green, it might have a problem. Use it to keep the greenhouse warm instead.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:12 | 3047542 AgShaman
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As a result of dumbing down the population to levels almost undetectable by brain efficiency tests from the past....

The Ministry of Plenty will be making all decisions for it's citizenry regarding food intake

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:12 | 3047543 deerhunter
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coyotes will help take out the feral cats and the neighbors cats though they too will take out the occasinal dog.  Tree huggers have put fur prices in the crapper and coyotes now I think are in most of the east.  They have expanded rapidly eastward in the last 15-20 years and are remarkably adaptable.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 02:43 | 3048053 Dr. Sandi
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It's those damned cheap 30 day passes Greyhound offers. Coyotes from all over the West are moving east to see the excitement of the big cities.

And who can blame them?

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:28 | 3047567 hairball48
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Local health departments are doing the same thing all ver the USA as well. It's not just the UK. I like my burgers medium rare. That's how I cook them at home. But then I buy my meat a local "real" butcher shop. I know where the animals come from.

Burgers in many places probably should be cooked  well done because the quality of wholesale produced meat sucks now days...Pink Slime etc.

I used to eat raw hamburger  all the time 50 years ago when I was a kid.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 20:59 | 3047595 Freewheelin Franklin
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I remember NJ tried to ban partially cooked eggs because some politician's son got salmonella, or some shit.


There was also an attempt to ban unpasteurized apple cider because some idiot got sick that was from Pennsylvania that came to NJ to specifically buy unpasteurized cider which is banned in PA.


It's all bullshit. It's either the lawyers trying to get money in a lawsuit, or fundamentalist paternalists that want to "protect" the world.


Fuck you, I can protect myself.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 21:09 | 3047604 azengrcat
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In hay bailin' country we have a word for people that are in favor of such laws; Pussies.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:10 | 3047663 notadouche
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When will they ban the total ass fucking of "we the people" by poltical "eltist" nitwits?  

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:11 | 3047667 andrewp111
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Soyent Green isn't fed directly to humans - yet. The Chinese Communists are the masters of this. Rebel scum are put in portable steamers on flat bed trucks and turned into Soyent hog slop. That slop is pumped into the pig farms and fattens the pigs. The pigs are turned into pork and fed to the rebel civillian populations. A complete cycle. And everything is very well cooked, but that can't kill prions.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:34 | 3047696 Sleepless Knight
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How about just stay the fuck out of my life you worthless pieces of shit.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 10:21 | 3048364 orangegeek
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Yep - England wants to change the menu, but keeping sucking back that alcohol.


England is a nation of raging alcoholics.  Cutting back on those greasy burgers and coke just makes those hangovers last longer.


That's ok.  The nation of fat people with gnarly teeth can load up on their greasy curry instead.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 14:13 | 3049091 Papasmurf
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Cooking creates advance glycation endproducts.  Excessive cooking creates a greater amount of AGE.  AGE are incorporated by the body and cause damage.



Effects of low- and high-advanced glycation endproduct meals on macro- and microvascular endothelial function and oxidative stress in patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus. Negrean M, Stirban A, Stratmann B, Gawlowski T, Horstmann T, Götting C, Kleesiek K, Mueller-Roesel M, Koschinsky T, Uribarri J, Vlassara H, Tschoepe D. Source

Diabetes Clinic, Heart and Diabetes Centre NRW Bad Oeynhausen, Ruhr University Bochum, Germany.

Erratum in
  • Am J Clin Nutr. 2007 Oct;86(4):1256.

An advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs)-rich diet induces significant increases in inflammatory and endothelial dysfunction markers in type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM).


The aim was to investigate the acute effects of dietary AGEs on vascular function in T2DM patients.


Twenty inpatients with T2DM [x (+/-SEM) age: 55.4 +/- 2.2 y; glycated hemoglobin: 8.8 +/- 0.5%] were investigated. In a randomized crossover design, the effects of a low-AGE (LAGE) and high-AGE (HAGE) meal on macrovascular [by flow-mediated dilatation (FMD)] and microvascular (by Laser-Doppler flowmetry) function, serum markers of endothelial dysfunction (E-selectin, intracellular adhesion molecule 1, and vascular cell adhesion molecule 1), oxidative stress, and serum AGE were assessed. The meals had identical ingredients but different AGE amounts (15.100 compared with 2.750 kU AGE for the HAGE and LAGE meals, respectively), which were obtained by varying the cooking temperature and time. The measurements were performed at baseline and 2, 4, and 6 h after each meal.


After the HAGE meal, FMD decreased by 36.2%, from 5.77 +/- 0.65% (baseline) to 3.93 +/- 0.48 (2 h), 3.70 +/- 0.42 (4 h), and 4.42 +/- 0.54% (6 h) (P<0.01 for all compared with baseline). After the LAGE meal, FMD decreased by 20.9%, from 6.04 +/- 0.68% (baseline) to 4.75 +/- 0.48% (2 h), 4.69 +/- 0.51% (4 h), and 5.62 +/- 0.63% (6 h), respectively (P<0.01 for all compared with baseline; P<0.001 for all compared with the HAGE meal). This impairment of macrovascular function after the HAGE meal was paralleled by an impairment of microvascular function (-67.2%) and increased concentrations of serum AGE and markers of endothelial dysfunction and oxidative stress.


In patients with T2DM, a HAGE meal induces a more pronounced acute impairment of vascular function than does an otherwise identical LAGE meal. Therefore, chemical modifications of food by means of cooking play a major role in influencing the extent of postprandial vascular dysfunction.

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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