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The Obama-Phone Is Back - But This Time It's Real

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While some saw the clip of the lady implying 'victory for Obama means phones for everyone' as perhaps exaggerated out-of-context right-wing propaganda - as that would be preposterous right? - it appears San Francisco took it a little more serious. As SFGate reports, the California Public Utilities Commission is expected to approve (within a couple of weeks) a plan to offer homeless and other poor people in California 'virtually free cell phones and service'. The plan is funded through the federal LifeLine program and is designed to enable these individuals to 'keep in touch with family, potential employers and others crucial to improving their lives'. "This is great - it is transformative for homeless and low-income people," said San Francisco's head of homeless initiatives, adding that, fundamentally, to be in the mainstream of our society you have to have a phone." Setting up the program in California has been no easy task, officials said. "I would prefer it to be free..." said Dufty, and said he would explore other funding sources. Perhaps worth remembering the cost of kidding ourselves once again.

 

Via SFGate:

Homeless and other poor people in California are on track to soon get virtually free cell phones and service so they can keep in touch with family, potential employers and others crucial to improving their lives.

 

The cell phones would be handed out through a federally funded Lifeline program - already operated by service provider Assurance Wireless in 36 other states - that is likely to win final approval in the next couple of weeks from the California Public Utilities Commission.

 

State PUC officials have been reviewing the Lifeline proposal from Assurance Wireless for three years. Word came Thursday that all but a minor detail had been approved, ending years of effort by advocates for homeless people.

 

"This is great - it is transformative for homeless and low-income people," said Bevan Dufty, San Francisco's head of homeless initiatives,

 

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"Fundamentally, to be in the mainstream of our society you have to have a phone," he said. "And really, for the homeless population, you need a cell phone because they don't have a home to hard-wire one into. We really need this plan."

 

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The state's decades-old Lifeline program, like those all over the country, pays for all but a few dollars of the monthly phone bill for poor people, generally meaning those whose annual income is below $14,702. But until now, California's PUC rules only authorized Lifeline service for "wireline" phones, meaning traditional phones wired into residences - and those rules didn't authorize anything for free.

 

Getting set up not easy

Setting up the program in California has been no easy task, officials said.

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Approval of the cell phone program came Thursday from the telecommunications specialists at the CPUC, which oversees the state's Lifeline plans.

 

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"We're very excited," said Jayne Wallace, an Assurance Wireless spokeswoman. "We know from experience this can make a big difference in people's lives."

 

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Cost of program

 

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Assurance Wireless first offered its free cell phone proposal to the CPUC in 2009 and got tentative clearance in 2011. It has been a slow process since.

 

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Immediately, however, the customer will be rolled into Assurance Wireless' Lifeline plan, which will provide 250 free minutes of talk time and 250 free text messages per month. The customer will then get the initial $20 back as a credit to be used whenever he or she exceeds the talk and text limits.

 

"I would prefer it to be free, but this at least opens the door," said Dufty. He said he would explore if other funding sources could backfill the up-front $20 charge.

 


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Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:06 | Link to Comment Aziz
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California has a bigger welfare state than many European countries.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:15 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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Opportunity to link a GREAT 2011 article by Michael Lewis (Liar's Poker, The Big Short) on California going broke...

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/11/michael-lewis-201111

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:54 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Green shoots everywhere, right bitches? Obamafones and Obama-mortages. Free candy and cupcakes. Rainbows & Skittle shitting Unicorns...

There is no BLS manipulation of data, and the main stream media is objective and does a great jobs of reporting on matters of significance, the important institution that it is....oh, and banks are solvent, it's a great time to buy a home (NAR! bitchez), "there's a lot of money on the sidelines," and American Household's are not only NOT in financial ruins by and large, but they're building net-positive wealth under Obamney and this great global economy, with the great new, high wage, full time jobs that are being created by the dozens of millions for young and old alike, again--

- this shit is fucking incredible..

The fractional fiat federal reserve bank is backing up it's talk of "strong dollar is a priority" with concrete action, as is Treasury, and Bernanke & gang would never just go down the easy yet perilous path of re-igniting asset bubbles, in equities or soverign bonds (as well as corporate bonds and just about every other asset class) as a way of attempting to kick the can down the road some more, there aren't 47 million+ people on EBT/SNAP, nor another 60 million on Social Security Disability, Medicaid, aid to families with dependent children, home heating assistance and other utility assistance, extended unemployment or other forms of direct transfer benefits (so, 1/3 of the population isn't on some form of government teat), either.

The deficit spending is reasonable, our national debt is not out of proportion to our means to pay it down absent debasement of our currency at 16.3 trillion as officially stated (let alone the actual 60+ trillion that it really amounts to), the real rate of unemployment is under 8% (and not close to 15% that U6 would suggest, let alone a more accurate 25% easily if survey methods were more accurate and labor participation rates were truly factored into the equation), the real rate of GDP growth is above 2.2%, and we're back on a sustainable path of economic prosperity.

Oh, and the media would never bury economic bad news before the election, or attempt to delay its release, in order to improve the odds of securing Obamney's re-election.

Fuckin' carnival ride of the worst order...

 

US manufacturing shrinks in November to 3-year low

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. manufacturing shrank in November to its weakest level since July 2009, one month after the Great Recession ended. Worries about automatic tax increases in the New Year cut demand for factory orders and manufacturing jobs.

The Institute for Supply Management said Monday that its index of manufacturing conditions fell to a reading of 49.5. That’s down from 51.7 in October.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:56 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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 CypherYou know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? 

[Takes a bite of steak

Ignorance is bliss. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:39 | Link to Comment caconhma
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This shit cannot last long. The country, the entire country is doomed.

Why shall I work and pay for my house, my car, my food, my phone, etc., if others don't? It doesn't make any fucking sense. In the present America, one who steals most is a king! Looks like Judea-Christian culture, the Hollywood, the mass media, and educational system have ruined America. There is no way back. It cannot be fixed.

My fellow Americans, we are doomed. Buy gold and guns. The easy life is about over.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Ginsengbull
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America is simply drunk on debt.

 

Drinking causes confrontation.

 

Guns resolve confrontation.

 

It will all work itself out eventually.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:56 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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So the biggest gun wins?   How many nukes, stealth bombers, armored vehicles and guided weapons do you have?  If your answer is none, then you are advocating for a solution that has an outcome you don't want.  Let me guess -- you cheered on Star Wars under Reagan, right? 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:05 | Link to Comment akak
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It's simply amazing how most of your "guesses" (assumptions, non-sequiturs, red herrings, strawmen) are invariably incorrect.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:13 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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ditto, akak.   Convinced?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:24 | Link to Comment akak
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It's amusing to see how intelligent you believe yourself to be, when virtually every one of your posts is a mishmash of screaming logical errors and failures in reason.  I find it almost impossible to believe that somebody who can compose complete sentences is so apparently and fundamentally lacking in the ability to analytically and logically process information.  Suffice it to say that you clearly have never taken a logic class --- or that you failed it if you did.

Believe it or not, I do not say the above to ridicule or insult you; you really do need to realize that you frequently, if not almost invariably, make a fool of yourself with all your assumptions, non sequiturs, strawman arguments and irrational conclusions.

All the many downarrows that your comments receive here are not randomly given, I assure you.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:27 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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So I lack in logic, while you post nothing but a personal attack on me that answers absolutely none of my points.  Brilliant response, that will no doubt obtain many up arrows here.  Bravo.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:31 | Link to Comment akak
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Yes, you do very frequently post illogical comments, and no, that is not a personal attack, merely an observation.  Pointing out failures in logic is not an insult, as difficult as it may be for you to accept.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:41 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Oh shit, you got me on that one.  Your personal attacks are objectively true because they are merely an "observation."  By you.  Fuck man.  You are one smart cookie.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 03:01 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Aw come on guys, think of the brilliance!

All California needs to do is offer the same free phones to the Brits and French and every other penniless twat on the planet that doesn't have a job or the means or the capital to create one and the poor and unemployed can really go global with their job hunting.

This could double GDP, overnight, and emigration too!

Question is, 'why would someone in Texas want to pay for this?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 06:48 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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next step is to give them a house so they can charge their new phone....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 07:20 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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How about a bank account, car, and holidays abroad, just so that they can feel refreshed whilst they make their free job hunting calls at god-knows-whose expense?

cos the way I see it, if everyones too busy making free calls whilst doing their government provided job, who's going to grow food, and make stuff?

We're all going to have loads of money and no goods. What happens then?

I mean that's never happened before has it?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:36 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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i have a rental that is occupied by section 8 residents....the guy is in his 40's has a therapist provided  to him at his house once a week because he just doesnt feel good about himself.....what do you think the cost would be to you for ths same private sector service?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment FrankDrakman
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He has the rapist provided to him at his house once a week? Is that because he has a low sex drive, or he's all shagged out after a single session?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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People tend to feel better about themselves when they can do some productive work.

How about we kick the man in the pants, throw him out on the fucking street, and tell him to go and get a job.

Now that is something that's never been tried before, well not in a fiat money environment anyway.

What really fucks me off is that we have no political leaders, and I mean anywhere. They are all queing up to give freebies to the lazy and fucking idle at my expense just so they can get elected and run the country for a while.

I mean, where are the fucking police whilst these twats raid my back pocket?

Where the fuck are the troops to defend my fucking rights to own ANYTHING?

Do I have any rights anymore?

The answer is YES, but not in the country I live in.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment marathonman
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Where are the police?  They are funding the public police unions that fund and intimidate the politicians that are raiding your back pocket to pay for their freaking pensions!  The troops?  They are the ultimate bankers collection arm for raiding the value of your dollar through inflation and stealing other nations resources for the likes of Blankfein, Dimon, etc.  The reality is depressing, no?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:14 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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He tries to help you and explain you're making logical errors and you respond with yet another logical error genius.jpg

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:30 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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ad hominem

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:33 | Link to Comment akak
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I thought I smelled the foul whiff of dog breath.

Irrational birds of a feather ...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:35 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Do you have anything at all to say other than "you're wrong?"  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:40 | Link to Comment akak
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You're generally a smug and insufferable asshole, too.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:45 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Now I'm convinced of your point, though I have absolutely no idea what it is (like you).

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 02:45 | Link to Comment prains
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the girl in the red t shirt is really throwing me off my game otherwise i'd be in on this

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 03:04 | Link to Comment old naughty
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No one's wrong. It's Benobummer wet dream became our reality.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:24 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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No argument can convince you since you already accepted that any argument conflicting with your ideology must be wrong. So what needs to happen first is you need to critically look at the dogmas you have accepted, only then your mind can accept logical thinking. This is no ad hominem, I've been where you are.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:17 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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New video.

When the troops lose faith in the people running their government.  Check.

High Ranking US Major General Exposes September 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2XV3Edd2dc

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:37 | Link to Comment rocker
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HSBC off the Hook on money-laundering. Regulators don't want to upset the stable Banking System. LOL on that.

Did ZH miss this one?  Dam banksters still not going to Jail.  Nobody Cares.  Oh Well, might as well do another bubble.    

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:57 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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You'd be amazed at the massive numbers of people who know all about this shit and do care. Just not enough people in high places and on TV to vocalize the outrageousness of the situation. Too many enemies of the people among us.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:54 | Link to Comment caconhma
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Afghan people don't have nukes, stealth bombers, armored vehicles and/or guided weapons. Nevertheless, they have destroyed the Soviet Union and the USA.

Do you really think Obama or whoever is in the White House will ever use nukes and stealth bombers against American people? Remember there are no places to run and hide anymore. Do you expect Chinese or Russians will provide a safe haven for American president or any other US politicians?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 02:39 | Link to Comment magpie
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I might know a country that would consider harbouring George W. Bush...but not Obama.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 03:01 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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I should advise you that the Afghan nation has never been defeated. Never

Gengas Khan called that nation "A stone in my shoe" and retreated never to conquer again

Alexander the Great was destroyed by them just by attrition. He went home in his underwear.

The Mighty British Empire could not and by that, India realized it had power to follow the Afghans to show them the door. 

Russia's defeat (if you call it that) set the scene for the end of that Communist state. So weakened it fell

America is now paying the same price... and for what.

History and Empires have been totally destroyed by this nation of Goat herders and Poppy growers.

Read this  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/tribal/churchill.html

 from a young reporter on the front line during the British Occupation. Its a fine read from one, Winston Churchill and goes to show that "those that do not learn from history are Doomed to repeat it"

Please feel free to send it to those who insist one bashing American service people against a rock that will not move despite 2500 years of others trying to tame them.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment marathonman
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The graveyard of empires. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Ginsengbull
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Every bullet I handload becomes a precision guided weapon.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Non-sequitur much?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 04:47 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Nobody likes an angry drunk.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 07:30 | Link to Comment Blotsky
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Looks like Judea-Christian culture, the Hollywood, the mass media, and educational system have ruined America. There is no way back. It cannot be fixed.

 

2 Thessalonians 3:10

Or even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

 

 

The problem is not Christianity, though hypocrites abound.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment HellFish
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Thanks for pointing that out.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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"hypocrites abound"

Alas, true.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment marathonman
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I'd just point out that Jesus didn't get the execution order until he overturned the money changers table in front of the temple.  That's when the execution order went out.  Same now as it was then. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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Loosen your corset and take a big breath.  The sky is not actually falling.  Taxes are going up.  Slightly.  Spending is going down.  Slightly.  Geez, you can cut the hyperbole with a knife in here.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment bloostar
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Ditto for UK. What a total joke the 'west' has become. Worked all my life so far for what I 'need' and I'm still using a 'brick' for a phone with no house to my name..and wasters like this get a free iphone?!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:12 | Link to Comment Alpo for Granny
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I always look forward to your posts TruthInSunshine.  This one was a gem.

Thanks.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 03:05 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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And from me. thanks TIS. Your views are sometimes harsh but never the less thoughtful and generally balanced.

You have been around a long time and I search for your Common sense replies. I alway leave knowing that I am not alone in my thoughts.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:38 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Let me just be the first to ask -- who the fuck cares if CA wants to give phones to poor people on the belief that it will help them get jobs?   Ron Paul -- for whom I voted -- believes in states' rights.  Do you?   If they want to legalize pot, who cares other than the citizens of that state (I am a resident of FL, where the governor thinks the answer to more pot is more private prisons), and who cares if they think that demand-side economics works better than supply-side?   Seems to me that there is a lot of hypocrisy in anyone here who does not live in CA trying to dictate what they think is best.

With the exception of shitholes like TX whose economies are still based on drilling collective oil for individual profit, CA seems to have done pretty well in terms of actual production (the computer operating system on which you post your favorable response ;) to this post was probably invented there or another West Coast state that will remain nameless because they allow but fucking -- but fuck those commies).

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:39 | Link to Comment Ginsengbull
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California sucks, and I hope it falls into the ocean.

 

They have a states right... to go to hell.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:23 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Never been there I take it?

Anyway, I want a free phone.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:41 | Link to Comment Ginsengbull
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Too many times.

 

The only way I like caliofornia, is in my rear view mirror.

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment akak
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LTER, as so often happens, logic has failed you once again.

There is NO contradiction whatsover between believing that most political power should fall to the states rather than the federal government, and judging the political decisions of state politicians.  Indeed, it is both hypocritical and illogical to hold otherwise.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:47 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Do you live in CA, akak?  If not, what the fuck business is it of yours?   Or like many of your ilk do you simply wish to replace representative government with your personal rule?  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:52 | Link to Comment eatthebanksters
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They're giving homelss people cel phones so they can text them when its time to vote.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:59 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Right, homeless people voting too much is the root of our problem.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 04:02 | Link to Comment Likstane
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You would argue with your own mother about where you were born.  

disclaimer-I am not fond of AKAK

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:34 | Link to Comment akak
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Likstane, I'm crushed!

Does that mean that we are no longer BFFs?

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 20:53 | Link to Comment Likstane
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barefoot flaming faggots?  booger flicking fairies?  booby feeling freaks?  I'm not sure what BFF's are, but I sense there is a closeness implied.   

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 07:57 | Link to Comment Mr. Lucky
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For some theses cell phones will become a medium of exchange for goods and services.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:36 | Link to Comment CaptainObvious
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For who, the drug dealers and hookers with appointments to manage?  Most homeless people have no bloody use for a cell phone.   They can't eat it, drink it, wear it, put their possessions in it, or sleep under it.  They have a better use for the initial $20 fee to start up this cell line (and that is if they even have $20, which many of them do not).  When one is living on the street and sleeping in a doorway, a cellphone is about as high on the list of priorities as a big screen HDTV.  And just how in hell is a homeless person supposed to charge their cellphone, anyway?  California would have to pass laws about charging personal electronics in public, heh heh.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:57 | Link to Comment akak
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Logic is really not your forte, is it LTER?

Do you live in North Korea?  If not, then what business is it of yours whether they are a Stalinist Orwellian nightmare state?

Did you live in Kampuchea?  If not, then what business of yours was it if they fell into a brutal and systematically homicidal societal hellhole from which 25% of the population did not survive?

Did you live in South Africa?  If not, what right did you have to condemn apartheid?

Do you live in Saudi Arabia?  If not, what right do you have to speak against their medieval, misogynistic treatment of women?

 

There is a profound difference between political judgment and political interference.  And I would claim that even the latter is not unjustified when upholding (on a purely personal level) the fundamental liberties of others.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:03 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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That is just fucking hilarious.  CA giving away cell phones is demonstrably not the same as a nation's leaders killing millions of people, and the other examples you gave.  Yet you apparently see it the same way.  And I have a problem with logic?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:09 | Link to Comment akak
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My God, does your brain work at ALL?  Are you truly that fucking STUPID, or merely that completely disingenuous?

I merely gave some rather extreme cases to make my point.  But feel free to continue ignoring the obvious analytical logic involved.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:10 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Yes, I'm stupid.  I equate unelected leaders in North Korea killing millions with elected politicians in CA giving away phones to poor people.  Oh wait.  That was you.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:16 | Link to Comment akak
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Yes, I'm stupid.

That was one of the first truly honest and insightful posts I have ever read from you.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:23 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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And as usual, you don't bother to read beyond the part you want to see.  Likewise very insightful as always, akak.  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 02:11 | Link to Comment Ima anal sphincter
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Asshole!!!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 02:14 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Takes one....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 02:22 | Link to Comment akak
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... to eat Rand.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 04:27 | Link to Comment zhandax
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Akak, deluded is probably a more accurate adjective than stupid.  Witness the discussion below about the program being state funded, when the reality is that couple of years of state funding was floated with BAB bonds.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:04 | Link to Comment akak
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Given LTER's egregiously muddleheaded posts here over the past couple of years, and the vehemence with which he tries to ludicrously, irrationally and illogically defend his delusions, I suppose this exchange should not have been surprising to anyone.  It is just discouraging that almost anyone, much less multiple posters, were and are willing to defend his intellectually insulting and nonsensical ramblings.

Oh, and just for the record LTER: I do not for one fucking second believe that you voted for Ron Paul for president, as his consistent pro-liberty positions are pretty much diametrically opposed to EVERY post you have ever made in this forum.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:15 | Link to Comment Samsonov
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akak, I respect your efforts regarding LTER, but you're feeding a troll.  You described his posts perfectly--strawmen, lies, non-sequeters.  That is instantly identifiable as troll-speak 101, and every comment board has a few.  You'll never get anywhere with them, so just junk them and move on.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:31 | Link to Comment akak
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Thanks Samsonov. 

While I have tried to give LTER the benefit of the doubt, having formerly seen him as merely hopelessly misguided, his consistent pattern of irrational, apparently intentional converstional misdirection and obfuscation lead me to suspect that you are correct in your analysis of him.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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AKAK, please re-read GW's post about paid trolls hijacking threads.

Keep up the good work.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment FrankDrakman
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Oh, man. AKAK makes a point using extreme cases, and you think he's equating the extreme cases with CA's actions. Uh, no.

From what I can see of these exchanges (and I have no dog in this hunt), he points out logical errors, and you go apeshit.

Chill, and take the criticism constructively. It will do you good.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:08 | Link to Comment Kali
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No, I don't care if CALIFORNIA does it - with their own money!  Dipshit, this program is federally funded......, we're apparently paying for other states homeless cell phones too. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:11 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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No, this program is state funded, dipshit.  And CA pays more in federal taxes than it takes in, versus your state.  Let me guess -- red state?  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:15 | Link to Comment odatruf
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The second paragraph from the quoted text:

"The cell phones would be handed out through a federally funded Lifeline program"

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:23 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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If you bother to read more carefully, you will see that the specific program (versus the Lifeline program that has been in existence since the days of Ronald Reagan -- look it up herehttp://www.wirelessforhope.org/#!about-lifeline ) will require state funding.  Or you can just take the simplistic view. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:18 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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LTER, I have to tip my hat to your fighting spirit. Keep going and you do make more sense than most here seem to think.

There is a "Fuck poor prople getting any free shit from ME ME MY HARD EARNED MONEY" group think here and ZH also tends to slant the headlines in a way that makes it look like it's stealing from the local peters to pay the californian pauls.

For th erecord, for all the ZH gun-thumpers, I imagine a good 30-40% of said homeless population in CA, well especialy in San Fran are dis-enfranchised, tossed on the street, cheap drug mad veterans.

I lived there for years. Go check it out sometime and give those poor souls a dime. They were pulling triggers and killing innocents....for nothing but keeping the drug mafia going. And THAT was on your penny.

ori

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:31 | Link to Comment Samsonov
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Of course we should provide the poor with more free stuff from the government!  Actually, I find your post to be a bit parsimonious, only giving out dimes...it's an insult to the poor to only get a voice plan.  If you had a heart, OrI, you'd be proposing iPads with full data plans for them.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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ORI- I hear india is a workers paradise. Maybe you should part with a few rupees and help your neighbor before giving us advice. I suggest that you take the money equilevent of one months' net surfing and hand it over right now. Benefit- your poor neighbor gets to eat for a year, we don't have to see your vapid posts and you get more sleep. See? Benefits all of us.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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I did my time and paid way too much in taxes in your country cellidh whatever. Drop by here sometime, then pass snide comments.

For the record, getting to three years here, I've never seen/heard you before, vapid or otherwise.

So go fuck yourself.

ori

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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"i did my time and paid way too much in taxes in your country.." See, you proved my point. Now get back to work and answer that call center phone right now. For the record, I work with multiple MDs from india- they CHOOSE to leave behind india and work here due to way better opportunity. Fix your own country before you make stupid comments about others. I too have been on ZH a few years. The difference is, I comment only when I have something useful to say. I do know your record, it sticks out for its vapidity. Tell the guy behind you to stop doing that to you! If not, your anus is gonna get as big as the Lincoln tunnel.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 11:07 | Link to Comment odatruf
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LetTheEat - I do take the simple view. The article says that the change in the program is going to be that Lifeline, which is federally funded and is currently limited to wire-line use in CA, is going to be changed to allow wire-less.  That's about it.  There is nothing in the ZH story or the linked SFGate story that mentions state funding.  It is noted that the user will have a very small fee, so it won't be actually free.

So, who didn't read it carefully?

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 05:34 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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CA sucked a $100 billion Fed pay day into its black hole in 2009

2010: Fed Revenues generated $273bln, Fed Funds spent $334bln

2011: Fed Revenues generated $281bln, Fed funds spent...I have yet to see the data. I doubt seriously that it has fallen significantly since 2010, especially with the Slow Speed Rail Cluster Fuck.

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:54 | Link to Comment au_bayitch
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And when the Fed buys up the bankrupt states debt, all US taxpayers will be paying for more of these programs.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 05:21 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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What do you have against the right of self determination? This is essentially the premise from which 10th A arguments arise.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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It's his business because he is a tax payer who at least has a right to be critical of governments wasting the money they have robbed from him.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 11:38 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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Lter, the problem is this phone stupidity is paid for by federal funds. That means that I have to chip in for their stupidity. It REALLY IS NOT THAT HARD TO FIGURE IT OUT, even for you.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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Federally funded?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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I see I'm not the only non-idiot here...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:56 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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"Homeless and other poor people in California are on track to soon get virtually free cell phones and service so they can keep in touch with family, potential employers and others crucial to improving their lives."

LOL, what a crock.

All of this can be done on a land line.  A cell phone is unnecessary.  This program is a kick in the nuts to the working poor.  A giveaway and nothing else.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 07:03 | Link to Comment LMAO
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Crock indeed!

Obviously a lot of people are missing the entire point here.

There is no spoon, there is no work!

You have to rearrange the words to get the idea of what this message really is telling us.

"Homeless and other poor people in California are tracked with virtually free cell phones"

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:18 | Link to Comment flattrader
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All anyone has to do is turn the fucker off.

I do all the time.

http://www.propublica.org/article/thats-no-phone.-thats-my-tracker

Or like the article says, get a burn phone.

Bought it out of town.  Paid cash.  Sent a kid in the store to buy the phone.

Since I do political work, it comes in handy.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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If you can't remove the battery, then you really can't turn the phone off.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Depends on the model.

icrap phones are the worst and most difficult to hack for masking purposes.  So, don't buy one.

http://lifehacker.com/5854315/how-to-stop-your-smartphone-from-tracking-...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 05:19 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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I believe in the non-aggression principle. Therefore, I believe The State can only exist as long as morality remains relative. I think Ron Paul, just might be an Anarcist in Libertarian clothing, giving the idea of volunteerism, a little fertilizer on the Global Stage

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 07:47 | Link to Comment More_sellers_th...
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I Care.  And I'll tell you why.  THe simple fact is what California is doing is completley unsustainable! They know it and they do not care.  And I'll tell you why they don't care ....because they are depending on Federal Tax dollars to bail them out in the end.  Everyone here will say, nooo that can never happen.  I garan fuckintee it will.  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:04 | Link to Comment LasVegasDave
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yes, because we all know that california generates all the money it spends internally, and doesnt receive any stolen taxpayer money from the federal govt.

so much for your states' rights argument, commie douchebag.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:27 | Link to Comment CaptainObvious
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And just what the fuck does the productivity of individual Californians have to do with the topic at hand--to wit, California is handing out yet another welfare gem on a golden platter that they can't fucking afford to hand out?  In fact, the more productive a Californian is, the more they are taxed, and what's more, the numbskulls VOTE to be more taxed.  Californians just voted to raise their own taxes once again in the last election (or, as is more likely, the Free Shit Army: California Division voted to raise taxes on the few remaining productive Californians) and they are going to be slammed with the expiring Bush tax cuts, the new taxes for Obamacare, and carbon taxes.  Pretty soon Californians will be taxed for breathing and pissing, because they're exhaling greenhouse gasses with every breath they take, and pissing befouls the nice clean water.

I believe in states' rights, which is why I voted for Ron Paul.  But that is not the only reason I voted for Dr. Paul.  He also advocates sound money and not squandering the wealth of future generations.  Did you miss that part of his philosophy?

And furthermore, California only wishes they had Texas' economy.  (So they could piss it away on yet more social programs, no doubt.)

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:46 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Liar's Poker is an extremely important book; it details the corporate culture inside one of the New York "Investment Banks" after they went public; which means playing with your money; this bank also blew up. Reading this book is fundamental to understanding what happened to us. Meanwhile, as to the article itself; about the free cell phones for homeless people; I can hardly stop laughing long enough to type. It really is crazy; half of them talk to themselves all day anyway; now they can talk to someone else who is talking to themselves; I like the part about the potential employer; that was really funny. Boy it sure is going to be fun to watch this all detonate while my silver bullion gets dusty in a small quiet private bank somewhere in a very conservative European Country. I'll have to print up the "I told you so, but you didn't listen" cards so I can mail them out to about 500 people; who really should know by now that not only am I smarter than they are, I'm massively more educated.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 06:42 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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hide yer wife hide yer kyds and hide yer husband....everybody getin raped around here...

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:17 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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Black Friday, Homeless style.
They're not stupid, they won't want the fucking things...only the lower to middle class get all fucked up on iDrugs, that's coz they're the ones all juiced up on MSM BS.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:26 | Link to Comment knukles
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Mandake, lookie heah.  Wez gots ouw new ObamiePhonz.
Yous call de Monkeyman an gets uz sumodat crackojack, motha.
Sheeeeit.  Lookie dat pitcha Moses jus sent me ob his peniz.  He be funny mothafuckah he be.

To be used to stay in touch with potential employers.

Who the fuck thinks this shit up?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:42 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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You have to admit it is entertaining.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 03:36 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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I ask humbly.. Is my logic wrong?

They want to give mobile phones to Homeless people... HOME LESS

ergo

 they do not live anywhere and carry little with them, only what they can carry or Push in a hand cart.

Ergo

They will have a phone and a battery charger that will be for the most part out in the weather

Ergo

They either will trade it for whiskey or they will not be able to keep it secure or it will last a week before it was forgotten on a park bench, lost or water damaged while they take a shower in the bathroom they don't have.

Oh and Charging it may be a problem on a park bench.

But This is Government for the people but not by the people.

Scratch that ......Is has nothing to do with Government nor good governance ..Its Dumb and Dumber that comes from those with no cognitive ability and all the Brains of a Smashed Crab.

"Beam me up Scotty there is no sign of any intelligent life in this State"

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"Oh and Charging it may be a problem on a park bench."

Oops, they didn't think of that one.

I looks like CA needs to put power wiring at all park benches to solve this problem.

Just think of all the jobs that will be created!

/s

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:19 | Link to Comment ultimate warrior
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"Probably it is true enough that the great majority are rarely capable of thinking independently, that on most questions they accept views which they find ready-made, and that they will be equally content if born or coaxed into one set of beliefs or another."

Hayek described what our problem is nicely. 

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:51 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Very nicely. The Von Mises quote about the complete inevitability of the bust, or crash, that will follow the boom; is a nice sized piece of wisdom that's easy to remember; also.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:59 | Link to Comment akak
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I love it when my boom crashes into busts.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:54 | Link to Comment magpie
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It will interesting to see how the 'Euro' meme evolves further in American discourse, first it was haute couture on the French riviera and Lombardy, then the Netherlands/"Scandinavian" welfare state, then Greek austerity etc...should keep some people in Berkeley lit department employed.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:27 | Link to Comment knukles
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Fuck Berkeley

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:46 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Well, yeah, that;s okay; but look: use two condoms okay?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:35 | Link to Comment Northern Lights
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I'm 39 years old and just don't feel the need to buy a cellphone much less commit to a 3-year service contract for one of these things.

I work with lot's of people in their 20's and I've noticed in the lunchroom, groups will hang out and have lunch together, but once they're done eating, they each grab their phones and start texting.  It's looks bizarre to me!!!! I once had a conversation with a senior manager whom initiated the conversation with me and while we're talking, she's texting at the same time.  Incredibly rude.

They tried getting the Canadian version of "The Obama Phone" passed up here but it never passed the mustard. On top of that, the lefties were trying to get welfare payments topped up with extra funds that would include birthday presents, Christmas presents, easter, you name it, they want it.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:41 | Link to Comment I think I need ...
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i like your comment northern lights, me 40 and no cell phone here either, to me its freedom!!!!!!!!!!!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:47 | Link to Comment akak
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I not only do not feel the "need" to mindlessly keep up with the Joneses by owning a cell phone, and thereby spending an extra several hundred unnecessary dollars a year (at least), but I am actively repelled by the behavior of the vast majority of those who do own and use cell phones --- they are just another part of the captured consumerist, instant-gratification culture that I so despise.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment CaptainObvious
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No cellphone here, either.  It's a pointless waste of money, and I don't need my every move being tracked like I'm a rat wandering through a goverenment-sponsored maze. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment FrankDrakman
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I'm another cellphone free individual, and I used to WORK for a cellular operator!

It kills me - every day on the bus, I see people with their 'smart phones' out, and virtually all of them are playing Angry Birds, Tetris, or some card game.

Definitely enriching their lives at $50/month.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:57 | Link to Comment James-Morrison
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I don't have a cell phone and don't want one.
It is like a state mandated location device.
Hear no evil, See no evil

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 05:57 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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It's not about welfare; it's about tracking all the sheeple in real time.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 06:09 | Link to Comment akak
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I suspect you are more correct than you realize.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 16:45 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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Oh I totally realize it, brother.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 07:49 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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The Obama phone story is an urban myth. Once again the unsophisticated sheeple are fooled by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Drudge, etc, etc.

 

I am not an Obama fan at all. I thought Zero Hedge was a mile above all the MSM bullshit and lies.

 

There is a program started under George Bush was called SafeLink.

 

And:

 

The federal "Lifeline" program was created during the Reagan Administration. Lifeline is a federal program created by the Reagan era Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in 1984. The program was enhanced under Telecommunications Act of 1996, which was supported on a broadly bipartisan basis in Congress. The FCC’s Low Income Program of the Universal Service Fund, which is administered by the Universal Service Administrative Company (USAC), is designed to ensure that quality telecommunications services are available to low-income customers at just, reasonable, and affordable rates. Lifeline support reduces eligible low-income consumers' monthly charges for basic telephone service.

 

Link

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment flattrader
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>>>I am not an Obama fan at all. I thought Zero Hedge was a mile above all the MSM bullshit and lies.<<<

 

The Tylers spout whatever rabid libertarian/conservative meme that will produce the most eyeballs and posts for ad revenue.

 

There are no standards here.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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Yes, because the government cares about poor people.  They never have an ulterior motive, ever.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:45 | Link to Comment Karlus
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You dont suppose they will use this phone to call their weed man instead of find a job do you?

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:06 | Link to Comment FuzzyDunlop21
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Forward!

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:20 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Four wards!

California/OR/WA, Illinois, the Northeast(NY, NJ, DC, etc), and Florida. Build the walls, lock the doors, lose the key...just let me grab my GOOD bag and roll outta FL first.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Bawneee Fwank
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http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Surrender_Dignity_Forward_Maksim.png

"No need to raise your fist, just open your hand. Surrender your dignity. Trade your worthless virtues and your lifelong vote for government healthcare, free birth control, free cell phones, and more. Personal responsibility, self-reliance, self-worth, and ethics, are of no value in Progressive America. FORWARD!"

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/in-progressive-america-virtue...

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:07 | Link to Comment bankonthebust
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Step it up Obama... I'm still waiting for the government funded whorehouses and strip clubs.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment SHEEPFUKKER
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Don't worry, all 976 numbers will be programmed into the phones with no charge to the calling party. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:10 | Link to Comment Hi Ho Silver
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Single payer phone sex.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:45 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Start watching at 1:30, then rewind to :10.  NOW it's funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMAM3UEkqMo

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Mae Kadoodie
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I gots to get me one of dem dere Obama Phones so I can call my Choom dealer. Fer free!

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment ball-and-chain
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What makes more sense?

Giving cell phones to the poor or trillions of dollars to the wealthiest people in the world?

I'd rather see a hobo talking to his mother than a banker lighting his cigar with my tax money.

But what do I know?

http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2012/12/yesterday-i-walked-ten-miles-through.html

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:56 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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It's almost a mathematical certainty that you know nothing that is worth the effort to type it into a keyboard; but that merely makes you a typical blog contributor.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:10 | Link to Comment ball-and-chain
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It must be very hard being so intelligent.

I don't know how you handle such immense responsibility.

Is there anything I can do to help?

Let me know.

http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2012/12/yesterday-i-walked-ten-miles-through.html

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:29 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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I actually went to your blog and read it. but it doesn't say anything. Is this an accurate summation of your knowledge base?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:02 | Link to Comment ball-and-chain
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I'm not sure.

What does summation mean?

Could you explain the word to me?

I slept through vocabulary class.

Thanks.

http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2012/12/yesterday-i-walked-ten-miles-through.html

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:36 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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His blog showed 19 visitors total. It mainly talks about what he had for dinner and what TV shows he watches. Oh, and there's a picture of Jesus too.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 08:42 | Link to Comment akak
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Thanks for satiating my burning curiousity to click on the link despite my reservations in doing so --- now I can finally go to sleep.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:15 | Link to Comment Matt
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Sounds like a less interesting version of that "fuck Lloyd Blankfein" guy, who always ends with saying prayers to the Christ God, and fuck lloyd blankfein. Looks like he turned his blog into invitation-only though.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 00:33 | Link to Comment HappyCamper
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ball-and-chain "but what do I know"

Not much. Most of the money going to dead beats comes from you and me. Our millionaires cannot possibly pay for all of the things that your government is giving away. In case you hadn't noticed, let me break it to you that we'll soon be bankrupt --  we are in fact now bankrupt and world will soon recognize it.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 02:46 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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"What makes more sense?"  Neither to answer your question.  Free stuff is worth zero in more ways than one.  And if you can't see that both groups represent the same moral problem you should start commenting on the HuffPo.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:09 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Press E for enslavement.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment fiftyfive
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Sweet deal for Carlos

 

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:26 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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You mean iCarlos

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment nmewn
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It always runs that way with a state/corporate alliance.

I've been warning people for years about this sort of socialist cronyism...I've become so bored with trying to explain it with no one listening but the few with a brain I now just say...

But but but...Its frrrrreeeeee!...and let the chips fall where they may.

Along with the occasional...gimme my debt binky ;-)

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 01:41 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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This is actually killing two birds with one stone, remember that pesky "National ID Card" they were talking about pre 2008? The one everyone reacted to unfavoribly? Hey now you can track every possible debt slave with GPS like accuracy, and know what they're up to at all times! FORWARD!

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