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Meanwhile In Lansing, Michigan...

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Hours ago, the US labor union movement was dealt another crushing blow (the most recent being the recent liquidation of Hostess which left thousands of workers cold and unemployed just in time for Thanksgiving) when the Michigan legislature gave final approval to "right-to-work" restrictions on public sector unions in a state considered a stronghold of organized labor. In the meantime, over 10,000 protesters had gathered outside the legislature, chanted in the gallery, and generally expressed their displeasure quite vocally with this development that further set back labor in its endless fight against capital. As Reuters reports, "the House passed the measure making membership and payment of union dues voluntary for public sector employees such as teachers by a 58-51 vote.  The only government workers excluded would be police and fire unions. The Senate approved the same bill last week so it will now go to Republican Governor Rick Snyder, who has promised to sign it into law."

Incidentally, these same workers would be better advised to direct their anger at Chairman Bernanke who has done everything in his power in the past several years to shift the balance of power far more in benefit of capital courtesy of ZIRP and zero cost of capital, which allows companies to cut as many workers as needed in order to pursue the almight bottom line dollar, while extracting unprecedented productivity gains out of those still employed, as workers no longer can fall back on savings and are forced to accept any labor conditions in a New Normal world in which living paycheck to paycheck is becoming the norm for most, and thus giving employers all the leverage.

But that is a philosophical debate for a different place. But for now, here are two short clips to serve as a harbinger of what may and most likely will happen in the US as labor unions are stripped of even more power in the coming months and years, showcasing their reluctance to go gentle into that good night. This is how close the US is from violence at any one moment.

Luckily, nobody was seriously hurt this time.

Has the Syntagma riotcam finally crossed the Atlantic?

 


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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Ben does not have enough fingers to put in all the new holes is this dam.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:30 | Link to Comment akak
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Those who can, do.

Those who can't, join unions.

Those who can't join (coercive) unions, protest.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:31 | Link to Comment ShrNfr
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They are charging 8 of these lovely union fellows with felonies over their tactics. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121211/POLITICS02/212110407/

You talk about stuck on stupid, you do not charge a police line.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:13 | Link to Comment Kastorsky
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you do not charge a police line.

time will come - you won't have a choice. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:40 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Congratulations on your new membership.

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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:45 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO2wA0Te0wM

... we've been set back a century-- a jekyll Island dream come true 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:40 | Link to Comment zerotohero
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I worked at General Motors for six years - the union was just pathetic - a dinosaur that should be extinct.  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment 10mm
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Unions got sloppy and got greedy to much.However,i know why they started and were needed.Now their just  trying to maintain what everyone else lost.Recall the days of old when most workers were foxconn here in the U.S.Chinatize was left,it's gonna blow whatever the outcome is.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Tombstone
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I was in a union for over 20 years.  The union accomplished some good things and protected workers who should have been let go.  I wonder how it is that 10,000 union workers could get the day off to go protest?  Was any production lost?  Did they get a paid day off?  Do the businesses that these people work for have to swallow the lost production and still be expected to make a profit to pay all these union workers?  I fully support right to work laws.  I do not favor union bullying.  What comes first?  The company or the union?  Many seem to forget that there would never be any unions without first a business being created; except in the wasteland of government.  I have always figured that I never really needed union protection to keep my job; that would come by doing a good job in the first place. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:44 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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You honestly believe that by 'workign hard, doing good work' you job is pretty safe?  What a sucker. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:59 | Link to Comment notadouche
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It's a lot safer than sucking at your job and being lazy.  You think management, who actually need workers want crappy ones?  That's not the exactly the route to success as a manager.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:03 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Any manager (including myself) cares about hitting quarterly numbers and what things are lookig like for that year first and foremost at any publicly-traded company or any company owned by PE.  Maybe there is a little focus on a 3-yr or 5-yr window depending upon the organization, its strategy process, and its current ownership.

 

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:12 | Link to Comment notadouche
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And any leader, (myself included) know that I'm judged by the team I have and how they are developed.  Unless you have a widget that just sells itself (which is fairy tale land) you have to have quality employees or you won't make those quarterly's.  Not taking talent into consideration would make for very ineffective managment and a damned short career.  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:16 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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One of several things and BS that takes precedent over hitting numbers at a publicly-traded company or PE-owned firm.  Even at a late stage startup they will do it if they have to reduce burn rate. 

Talent/qaulity is a key part of it but I have had to fire good/very good people who had their share of talent because the company I worked for was going in a somewhat different direction or needed cost savings. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:25 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Hopefully you took out the worst one's first.  When your company starts taking out good talent then it's probably tantamount to shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic and the best time to go while the getting is good.  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:08 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Managment might be perfectly happy with 'less than competent ones' who are notably cheaper whether they are younger or overseas to margin targets.  Once you reach middle managment, being a 'good worker who works hard' is only one small piece of the part of moving up the food chain and frankly not as important as being a good networker, politicking, and knowing the lay of the land.

 

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:22 | Link to Comment notadouche
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It may be a faster route up the ladder in the beginning but trust me it's generally not lasting.  If you are all style and no substance sooner or later you will be exposed.  Possibly not when other's would like but it happens.  If you are all substance and not much style it will take you longer but it is a lasting.  At some point the Peter Principle catches up to the people promoted beyond their competence"   

I feel sorry for you as it appears the management you have been exposed to really must have sucked.  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:46 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Looks like a Michael Moore wannabe got an azzwhooping!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:45 | Link to Comment uncle_vito
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Unions protestors:  F em

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Norsky
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Simple fact of the matter is Unions have priced domestic labor out of business. Another problem they have is creating and promoting an adversarial relationship with the employer. Why does it have to be that way?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:52 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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You assume that labor is the overwhelming element in the cost of production or that other factors including productivity and distance to customer don't apply.  US manufacturers still aren't coming back to the US in any kind of meaningful numbers even with entry-level manufacturing labor rates down to $13-15/hr with defined benefit plans and no retirement healthcare.  Cheaper and easier to do it in Mexico and drive/ship it over the border in Mexico if necessary.     

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:04 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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     Simple fact of the matter is Unions have priced domestic labor out of business.

Bullshit.

What priced domestic labor out of business was opening up that MASSIVE labor market on the other side of the planet where workers can pay for survival expenses on under $100/month.

If we want to be competitive with places like China/India/Brazil/wherever, we need to make it cheap enough to live on those wages here in the USA. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:17 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Yup.  It was largely the end of the Cold War in '91 and the current style of trade agreements that have been in vogue since the mid-90s. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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when our kids are burning to death in garment factories and workers are jumping off their factory buildings to their deaths, we'll know we're gobally competitive ... yea!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:55 | Link to Comment Matt
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Too late. All those jobs that went to China are being replaced by robots, which are more productive, even cheaper, do not make mistakes, do not need breaks, do not become disgruntled, do not demand wage increases or pensions or healthcare, and only feed on electricity.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Did you ever think of being more productive?

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 14:36 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Productivity is a function of output over TIME.  That's not the issue.

The issue is output over PRICE.

If I'm 3x more productive than a Chinese employee but 5x more expensive, I'm still going to lose the job to him.  There's a long-term downside as the company whose products I can no longer afford loses me as a customer, but these decisions are made on a quarterly basis.

Short-term thinking is what got us here, not lack of productivity from American workers.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment darteaus
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You misunderstand me.

Measure productivity in terms of dollars:  If a Chinese employee uses the last generation of machine tools, and the American employee uses the current generation of machine tools, productivity must be measured in terms of total cost per unit of output.

What got us here is lack of productivity from American based plants.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Nothing new here and this is the path ahead forward in America at least the rest of the decade.  Going to be about taking things away from people/groups/companies and those who are organized with muscle and/or money will fight tooth and nail to hold on to them. 

 

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:55 | Link to Comment Madcow
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to all you dare-devils who continue to live in big cities along the coast -  i salute you and your family death-wish

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:13 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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So society is going to completely break down into mass anarchy very soon and I am assuming that your farm/ranch is so isolated and in the middle of nowhere that you won't have to deal with it.  

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment darteaus
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It's a monastary: St. Katherines, Sinai

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:22 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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You'll never get anywhere with an attitude like that, man. 

When the zombie apocalypse arrives, I intend to be one of the first to eat my neighbors, and I've always wanted a Manhattan penthouse apartment.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 17:59 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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This correspondent was an a$$ too.  He's getting right into guys' faces and goading/egging on them.  WTF does he expect?  That these guys will all calmly react to him.  There are just certain things you don't do if you have any common sense. 

This 'reporter' was just looking for an inevitable physical reaction from someone so he can put it on film and get the right-wing media to have a clip that will be run endlessly on Drudge, Fox News, etc about how the unions guys are 'thugs!'

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:49 | Link to Comment 1000924014093
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They could have ignored him--they he would have nothing. But they were dumb enough to give him exactly what he was looking for.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Stupid woman walks through a park at night.  "WTF does [s]he expect?"

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:03 | Link to Comment MrBoompi
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I don't know how I can blame anyone but the dumbfucks who voted the Republicans into the majority.  What did they think would happen?  That these anti-middle class pigs would hand out free copies of the Communist Manifesto?

 

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:15 | Link to Comment wonderatitall
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damn right...we union democrat nazis have the right to steal and loot..we got dat obama and i want your car

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:57 | Link to Comment strayaway
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Sorry, you only get a phone and some minutes.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:04 | Link to Comment outamyeffinway
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Fuck all those union fuckers.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:27 | Link to Comment MrBoompi
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Says the guy who didn't graduate from grade school and couldn't get a union job.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:05 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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It always makes me laugh that the police UNION always comes in to clean up the mess.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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what amazes me... and, should amaze most, is that police and firefighters are exempt?

apologies, if this has already been posted

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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yep, the firefighters and cops don't believe in the FREEDOM that non-union membership offers.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:15 | Link to Comment sethstorm
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Still would be a lot better than the thugs sent to kill off unions (whether by fist or law degree). 

Apparently contract law is fine if you're not a union, but it's bad if you are one.  Hopefully this thing gets scrapped as soon as it is possible along.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:20 | Link to Comment Bobportlandor
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I fear this deteriorates into perpetuity. 2008  is when the party ended. Going forward 194 countries will be jostling to survive with dwindling resources.

Clipper, square rigs, saddles, oxen, plows, lasso, will be the lexicon and the farm report will be on prime time TV. Oh yeah we'll still have TV cause the history channel will have a built in audience of dimwits still trying to figure out why the collapse of 2008 happened. Why hope and change didn't work, what is a Bernanke, why is Obama running against the Muslim brotherhood candidate for his 4 term, etc.

F U country

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:31 | Link to Comment hannah
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so all these union members were there protesting FOR GAY MARRIAGE...? i didnt know the unions were so pro gay....?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:34 | Link to Comment budda
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Being Spit-roasted by Bankers and Unions is a world wide occurence.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:34 | Link to Comment budda
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Being Spit-roasted by Bankers and Unions is a world wide occurence.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:46 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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These boys average about 350-420 each. Cutting the gravy train off make Fatty angry. Golden Corral is gonna see a dip in sales in the MI area.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:50 | Link to Comment akak
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I am originally from there, and let me tell you, fat, dumb, stupid, lazy, spineless, conformist and sheeplike are the hallmarks of the southern Michiganian.  Dystopia, thy name is Michigan.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:11 | Link to Comment israhole
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How come there isn't any angry black guys in the video, isn't Detroit 99% black now? Seriously,  I'm surprised there are enough whites left to make these videos.  Something isn't right.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:27 | Link to Comment ZeroAvatar
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Ummm, wasn't this in Lansing? Some distance away...

 

The further north you go in MI, the more whites, less 'yolks', so to speak.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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they are working in the underomound economy trying to survive economic hell on earth

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:42 | Link to Comment Alasdair
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Isn't it Michigander?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:53 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Where there have been unions, there are bankrupted companies.

 

The next bankrupt company is called government.

 

Take away the right to strike and put choice into individual hands and unions will have to learn how to sell and market their services - pretty much like any other organization.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:43 | Link to Comment Alasdair
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Flawless logic.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:55 | Link to Comment Waterfallsparkles
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Maybe they should start Unions in China.  Then maybe our wages would go up.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:40 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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they're jumping off foxconn buildings th sheir deaths because they are so free from unions which would spoil the party.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:56 | Link to Comment israhole
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WOOOHOOOO!!! Let's get started!  I'm not taking sides, we've all been screwed!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 18:57 | Link to Comment Waterfallsparkles
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Unions used to be good but now they destroy Companies.  The pendulum has swung too far to the left.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:03 | Link to Comment deus x machina
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lets see, last time i bought a new car about a week later I read that all union people got a $8,000 profit sharing check...ah that represents OVER CHARGE TO ME.  oh I forgot i'm not in the union i don't get represented i JUST PAY FOR IT. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:03 | Link to Comment garyw
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The Global Cartel is laughing at us all. Pitting the union against the non-union is no more than taking the thought and pressure off the corporations. Remember the Red Shield supported both sides in every war.  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:14 | Link to Comment israhole
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Exactly.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:18 | Link to Comment paint it red ca...
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Divide and Concur..

I worked in and around union shops from the early 70's to the late 90's knowing all along what the off-shoring of manufacturing jobs would mean eventually. I knew it when reagan announced the future of service sector employment, I knew it when Perot talked of the "Giant Sucking Sound" and I knew it when clinton free traded us into the poor house. (the phil gram/bill clinton glass-steagal repeal was the icing on the indebting america cake under dubya) I witnessed the tactics management used to create "friendly" unions who tolerated their jobs becoming less valuable and infinitely less secure under threat of plant closings. Then i watched the plants close anyway on just in a longer, more orderly, less disruptive to supply chain fashion. All the while more debt was shouldered by the advent of feel good liar's loans, GMAC equivalent low threshold auto loans, and a decade of inflating home values to remortgage a vacation against.

Right to work, low wages, willing work force, etc, etc is bullshit hope, bottled and sold by politicians. I do not believe domestic employment will benefit anytime soon in a repatriation of manufacturing jobs. Maybe not until the generation behind the boomers are well impoverished and gray. Not until the dollar is long ago flushed and memories of a thriving middle class are referred to as the good ole days living only in the faded memories of the senior citizens struggling to survive at poverty level.

That my friends leaves plenty of time for remaining private assets of any value to be absconded at yesterdays prices with tomorrows inflated currency, or electronic credits as the case may be.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Westcoastliberal
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I'll bet you can spark a party right up /sarc.  Trouble is, I don't disagree..

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:06 | Link to Comment buckethead
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I was a union memeber for a short time

Worked at UPS for a year. 3am shift. Went to NYC right before the Teamsters strike to a market for a business my wife and I were starting. Got back home and the strike had started. Nearly broke, I needed my paycheck, which was behind the union picket lines.

 

I tried to explain my position, and that I was  member. I went in to get my check... upon my exit, I faced a barrage of objets thrown, frothing at the mouth goons (who I had never seen prior) and genuinely feared for my well being.

 

This is after I had been granted "permission" to pick up my check.

 

Fuck the unions. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:58 | Link to Comment resaci
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I was a union member for 34 years.

 

 

Life in the UAW (probably any big union)

  • 20% - conscientious hard workers
  • 60% - follow the leader - don't ask me to think
  • 20% - USELESS FUCK-OFFS (most union reps from this group)

Union reps spend their time bailing out the 20% FUCK-OFFS

Management spends their time dumping ALL THE WORK on the 20% - conscientious hard workers until they TURN INTO THE OTHER 80%

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:12 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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I have never worked for a union but work as a contractor with a large number of union workers in different union and your observation from so much experience in it is spot on.  The area I'm currently working in is so critical and potentially dangerous and costly from any mistake, only the best of the best are selected from the union ranks to work it .. so there are no problems... the FOffs would be off the the work in a minute and a half.  In the less critical stuff your ratios and assessment matches right up there with what I observed, some of the FOffs are so bad I know they've sabotaged some of my work (it had nothing to do with their work, they just were screwed up in the head for some reason)... could have killed someone easily and their 'leader' was a Foff brand.  I hated working with that group, horribly dysfunctional, dangerous to work around and it had everything to do with the 'leader'.

I don't see why the unions don't enable cross training with their workers to help management more easily manage resource allocation (almost always ongoing issue).  The workers would get a change of pace to get away from what is often very routine work learning new stuff and keep interested in their work by mixing it up, ease resource allocation for management reducing costs for them, and make the union actually stronger.  I just don't get it, it would be win-win-win, as it is currently structured they seem to be shooting themselves in the foot for no reason.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:56 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Unions dont want cross training it would limit their powers, more people more budget, more budget more power, thats how unions and govt dept work there is no incentive to reduce costs and your measure of 'success/performance' is whatever you claim it is, without acccountability dont expexct unions to be honest or govt dept's to be within budget.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Yes, cross training limits their power in the following way:

If their workers knew more and could do more, but still followed the union lead, it would enhance the power of the union.

The problem for the union is: if workers know more and can do more they don't need the union.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:12 | Link to Comment israhole
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If some of these assholes would start bringing guns to the party, there wouldn't be a problem on Monday.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:19 | Link to Comment Tator
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It is ironic Prgressives are for "choice" when they want to kill their babies, but not for "choice"  when folks want or do not want to join a Union.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:22 | Link to Comment surf0766
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Progressives= communists. Time to call it as it is.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:52 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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communism would indeed be progress.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Or own guns.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:45 | Link to Comment markar
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Isn't this about public employee unions? I have no beef with organized labor in the private sector if that's what they want. Both mgt. and labor can sink or swim but not on the taxpayer's dime. It's the public employees that should have never been allowed to unionize. It's become nothing more than a vote buying scheme working directly against the taxpayers. As if taxpayers  don't have enough enemies already.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:54 | Link to Comment squexx
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The first union that needs to fall is the Teamsters Union. All unions and the fat, lazy worthless fucks who work in them need to flip burgers!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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This is probably worth watching, to see how "The Republic" dies. I'm not interested in the two sides, but the rejection of the rule-of-law is peachy, and how you kill a system.

 

I find it ironic that the second video above is labeled "violent mob takes down tent". This is the major problem with Americans, a load of drama Queens.

You want "violent mob"? Try Syria.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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yeah, the 'violent' mob looked like a lot of parties I used to go to, especially when the keg was getting a little low and someone had to make a beer run.  A lot of American workers seem to be bent over with their drawers at their ankles with banker and corporate splooge flowing out of them and they don't even know it and are asking for more by repeating politically created, corporate funded, media advertised rhetoric ad infinitum. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:20 | Link to Comment yellowsub
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Audit the unions.  They're a non profit as a church is not profit.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:38 | Link to Comment natty light
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How many pension plans got screwed in GM bond subordination behind workers? Just sayin.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:54 | Link to Comment Body of Lies
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Behind 'union' workers ... salaried, non-union workers got just as screwed as the bond holders ... I hate the DC elite who keep screwing the non-favored group.

 

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:07 | Link to Comment LetsGetPhysical
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As somebody who worked for 22+ years as Union Carpenter, I must say this isn't shit. I've seen stuff that would make the Sorpranos blush. For all the bleeding heart paper-pushers who think unions are "for the people by the people"... pull your head out of your ass.  They don't give two flying fucks about the membership. Most unions are a private business run for profit. We've got an expression, "you're just a fucking number". Sad but true. After over two decades of putting up with the nepotism, intimadtion, lying, laziness, stealing, thuggery and over all bullshit... I pulled my retirement money out and headed for greener pastures, never to return. Worst part about it is most guys just want to work and earn a paycheck. 90% want nothing to do with this horseshit. It's the useless dick suckers who couldn't make it on their own without the union that engage in this behavior.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:35 | Link to Comment ItsDanger
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A sound warning to younger membership currently.  You 'pension' if it actually exists isnt safe.  A friend's cousin asked me about their pension plan and I briefly looked through the trustees list and told him to pull the money out as soon as you can. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Rathmullan
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Think any of these folks would consider self immolation as a form of protest? They wouldn't even need an accelerant as they have enough booze in their bodies to get the job done.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:39 | Link to Comment Lord Of Finance
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The cro-magnum neanderthalic meathead unionites are the failures and fuck ups of our society. They are the quintessential lowlifes who want more and more without protest or contest. These losers and dummies from the short bus can not be allowed to get all they want.

 

  But as we all know, the lunatics are ruling the asylum

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:50 | Link to Comment Body of Lies
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"failures and fuck ups of our society" ... not in California where public union members make twice as much as others in private industry doing the same thing. California public union salaries have more than doubled since 2006. I think they've figured it out and until Californians stop voting to raise taxes on themselves, this will happen again in the next six years. 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:07 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Your society, your responsibility?

Amazing that all those cro-magnum neanderthalic lunatics are in charge and you're posting your impotence on a message board, amazing and damn funny.

Makes me chuckle that all them low IQ retarded niggas are in charge and you is payng for it all, how dumb are you to let that happen?

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:57 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Consider how passionate these men are, when the idea of their monopoly on coercion is exposed to sunlight, they lash out: punching, hitting. Screaming obscenities.

All that happened, was a law was passed that said coercion is not ok. That's it. They reacted with punching and hitting, slapping spitting swearing.

Coercion is really the problem here. Here is a brief video about the meaning of coercion in society:

George Ought to Help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

The good thing about this thread is that people are starting to draw a very important connection - the coercion power of the union is seen as bad, the violent and thoughtless reaction of the unions is "outed" as being uncivilised, unnecessary and counterproductive.

Then, a light begins to flicker on...if coercion is bad, and doing violence in support of that coercion is uncivilised and unacceptable, then what does that make the State? They also collect money from you by coercion, and if you reject it they use violence.

Are we all starting to see the light here? The State isn't "like" organised crime, it "is" organised crime.

The State is Organised Crime
http://mises.org/document/6985/Organized-Crime-The-Unvarnished-Truth-Abo...

 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:33 | Link to Comment ItsDanger
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The video just highlights how low class some of these union lifers are. 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:09 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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My heart goes out to privileged white Socialist Obama voters that support illegal immigration and Socialized medicine. NOT

 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:14 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Wassup tyler? feeling a little inadequate?, Are you pissed coz they is doing something, or are you pissed coz you is powerless to stop it?

Most ZHer's would have trouble getting out the house w'out physical assistance or a 100 dollar reward, It must seem amazing to you that some people are motivated by something other than fear and greed, but hey if it makes you $$$, keep feeding your little ZHer mushrooms this pigshit, they certainly seem to like it.

When was the last time you charged a line of riot police, or protested anything.

Oh yeah thats right the govt is too big, armed and evil for you to try isnt it.

ZHer's love self pity and impotence, there cant be more than a dozen people here whose acts match their words.

Stick to the money info you are at least good at that, politics and social issues, nah you havent a clue.

You like most ZHer's are mtivated by fear and greed only, just like the rest of the animal world.

WTF happened to ZH? it used to be intelligent analysis of info and now its just gun nuts and white power loons.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:53 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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You forgot your section of society: Black Militant Racists. Let me guess, your getting ready for the race war by showing your true colors.

Martin Luther King an individual you so esteem so much is rolling in his grave. ".......don't judge a man by the color of his skin but by the content of his character...."

95% of the black population voted for BHO for the presidency. I am sure that the cover story was: 1. "it was a historic moment"; 2. "he was/is our man".

Cover stories and camouflage for the TRUE underlying sentiment, that while you might meet the occasional white who may be a racist, the majority of blacks ARE racists. Don't you wonder (and worry) about that 5% that voted out of the fold??? That 5% was over at my house celebrating our friendship, exchanging ideas, enjoying and enriching each other company.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 07:26 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Race wars?

Bring it on, i'm a six foot, white, blond haired, blue eyed male from an aryan mother and a celtic father, 1st generation british, subject of the queen.

95% of black people voted for obama bcause they believe he understands their moral values slightly more than "who let the dogs out" Romney.

I may be wrong but i dont think that 95% of black people believe that rape is what god intended to happen, repubs lost on moral values not bcoz of race.

Occasional White Racist?, how come most of em are on ZH posting nigga this and nigga that?

Also what happened to the missing camera footage between 0.38 and 0.39 on the union vid, not like tyler to fall for a bit of fox news editing magic, unless he knew and said nothing coz he is now playing to the fox/gun nut/religious/whitepower choir

So they pulled down an AFP tent, paid for by the cock bros twinks, are they who you support?

Thats the true beauty of the system you are either for unions or the millionaires, they dictate the argument and you sheeple are incapable of thinking of an alternative, americans can have either coke or pepsi but never neither.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:54 | Link to Comment WilliamShatner
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Meanwhile, these UAW slugs that got fired because they were caught drinking beer and smoking pot  while on the job just got reinstanted.

 

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/13-uaw-workers-at-chrysler-who-were-cau...

 

I'm inclined to say that unions are dead, we just need to tie them to a tree and bash their heads in with a shovel.

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