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Jimmy Hoffa Warns Of "Civil War" As Michigan Governor Signs "Right-To-Work" Into Law

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Minutes before Michigan Governor Snyder signed the 'Right-To-Work' bill into law...


... Teamsters head Jimmy Hoffa appeared on CNN, as seen in the clip below, warning that:

"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war,"

as the bill to weaken unions' power is passed. If Hoffa is right, look for Michigan GDP to soar: after all it is one of the more Keynesian states in the union.

Via AP: Michigan Gov. Snyder signs right-to-work bills

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has signed right-to-work legislation, dealing a devastating and once-unthinkable defeat to organized labor in a state that has been a cradle of the movement for generations.


He put his signatures on the bills Tuesday, hours after the state House passed the measures as the chants of thousands of angry pro-union protesters filled the Capitol.


Snyder says a failed ballot proposal to enshrine collective bargaining rights in the constitution triggered the discussion that led to the passage and signing of right-to-work.


During a news conference, he called the protests "an exercise in democracy."

Jim Hoffa, of the International brotherhood of Teamsters explains his perspective:


Via CNN:

Jimmy Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said Tuesday he expects Michigan unions and lawmakers to break out into "civil war" after the state legislature passed right-to-work bills that would weaken unions' power.


"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war," Hoffa said on CNN's "Newsroom."


The Republican-controlled state House passed two bills that had already been approved by the GOP-dominated state Senate. Gov. Rick Snyder, also a Republican, is poised to sign the bill, which would allow workers at union-represented employers to forgo paying dues.


As thousands of protestors gathered at the state capitol on Tuesday, Hoffa called the legislation a "tremendous mistake" and "a monumental decision to make" by outgoing lawmakers in a lame duck session.


"What they're doing is basically betraying democracy," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin. "If there's any question here, let's put it on the ballot and let the people of Michigan decide what's good for Michigan."


Proponents of the legislation say it gives workers more freedom, while opponents say a less robust union presence will negatively affect workers’ rights. Hoffa also argued that those who don't pay union dues will be considered "free riders,” as they’re getting the same benefits from union representation without the cost.


Hoffa pointed to Michigan's recovering auto industry, saying the Wolverine State has bounced back from the recession without being a "right to work" state.


"This is basically a step backward," he argued.


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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:39 | 3054173 unrulian
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Americans calling Canadians pussies...ha


Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:39 | 3054907 Shell Game
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You, and many here, are missing the point.  It will not be about face to face confrontations. It is not about whether they have guns or not, or or morbidly obese or not.  When their pensions go UNPAID - and they will - these people will take down the grid.  It's vulnerable and they know it and they know how to do it. 

Fourth generational warfare, bitchez. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:58 | 3053714 Alexandre Stavisky
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Everyone has to drop the angles they're using to spike their income over its natural compensation threshold.  From the "exorbitant privilege" of a reserve currency to unnatural impediments against free market forces, individuals must obtain worthy skill(s) and accept the market clearing rate for their labour.

Bravo on Denninger who has the guts to pin down the ultimate determinant of economic misery and woe.  The provision of every fine thing to make the earth a paradise exists if energetic and honest men will but strive for it.  And condemn the intrigue, graft, and sneakery of obtaining daily bread outside the sweat of the brow.

And as a bonus, real money constrained by its scarcity in the earth's crust, but which strangely seems to be mined at a run rate which nearly approximates the natural increase in production of economic man.  Stop the monetary nonsense and transfer of wealth by great extent by adopting and preserving sound money.

Don't break the immutable laws.  Aim small, miss small.  Big errors in household finance means bankruptcy.  So also in nations.  Keynesian endpoint and money printing isn't missing small!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:28 | 3053809 Jacque Itch
Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:11 | 3054323 jballz
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Wow 95 to six. Sad to see the class warfare gambit is working so well.

Eat each other that will fix everything.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:14 | 3053539 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Going to have a civil war? That sounds like a terroristic threat to me.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:32 | 3053620 boogerbently
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Smells like Greece. No understanding of our financial position.

Let's just tax the rich, and eliminate Soc. Sec. LOL

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:36 | 3053645 Dick Fitz
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If only. The laws only apply to the little people.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:49 | 3053691 The Shootist
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Only right wingers. If Barrack Hussein Obama wants a private army, that's acceptable behavior.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:43 | 3053668 Everybodys All ...
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see something. say something.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:59 | 3054655 keesooi
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Drone worthy, I'd say.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:16 | 3053543 fonzannoon
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We found Jimmy Hoffa!!!!!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:17 | 3053553 ParkAveFlasher
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They must have dug him up when they built Xanadu in the weeds.  Explains a lot.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:17 | 3053554 The Gooch
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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:49 | 3053693 HellFish
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Sounds like this one needs to be buried too.  And soon.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:37 | 3054732 knukles
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But he was tungsten filled.....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:19 | 3053545 otto skorzeny
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careful Jimmy-the Guv was smart enough not to include the police in this union bullshit(like Walker did in WI). got to protect the Praetorian Guard- and if you think these goon cops won't light up a crowd of protesters when ordered to then you're sadly mistaken. The cops will be the last workers to draw a paycheck when Uncle Sammy goes bust.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:26 | 3053596 westboundnup
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and then what will happen?  Of all the unionized public sectors, the police trouble me the most.  Many a major metropolitan police force will turn into para-military squads when the paychecks end.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:31 | 3053614 fonzannoon
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Ask Spain.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:26 | 3053798 Karlus
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Most of the cops up there are of the 280 lb lard ass Affirmative Action administrative types. Besides, a 9mm is not going to do you much good against Southern Long guns. Besides, my bet is the cops will be too busy trying to hide their uniforms to be much of a threat to anyone.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:44 | 3054196 unrulian
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how will good southern long guns do against IR drones?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:56 | 3054474 Nick Jihad
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If the Los Angeles riots of 92 are any guide, you are absolutely correct. The cops were nowhere to be seen.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:39 | 3054736 knukles
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By "Intelligent Design"... from above....


(Asshole wants to burn down his own home, that's his own business, attitude...)

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:16 | 3053550 ParkAveFlasher
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This is a victory for all transactions in which price is muddled by a mandated middleman.

May the houses of cards continue toppling.


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:52 | 3053703 spastic_colon
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I suddenly have the urge to buy something from MI, except for a car.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:11 | 3053755 IrritableBowels
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How YOU doin?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:15 | 3054043 itstippy
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made me laugh

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 08:36 | 3055174 Taint Boil
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I was in the area and wanted to say hi.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 19:24 | 3057707 IrritableBowels
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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:13 | 3054034 Dave Thomas
Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:17 | 3053551 Squid Vicious
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Needs to buried in a land-fill somewhere just like his dad

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:18 | 3053556 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Trumka and the gang are going to stir some shit up, If the unions go people like him would actually have to prove they add some kind of value, which they dont.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:21 | 3053568 otto skorzeny
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again-you have to draw the distinction between public and private unions. the private unions have been dying for years(except the UAW bail-out babies) the public unions have been growing in strength beacuse of the lack of competition(unlike the private unions).

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:50 | 3053909 Jerome Lester H...
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The problem with public unions is that there is no representation for the taxpayers who pay the salaries of both the unions and the politicians that they negotiate with!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:13 | 3054336 Central Bankster
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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:05 | 3053738 quasimodo
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I would like to see that fat lazy slob actually say something coherent, instead of talking like a blathering idiot having a twinkie fix.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:19 | 3053557 ApollyonDestroy
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He might as well be a nigger!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:17 | 3053709 Dead Canary
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Troll alert!

The Governor is going to end up with a horses head in his bed.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:59 | 3053724 Bollixed
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Dude, where is your couth?


Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:09 | 3054785 Anusocracy
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Jesse Jackass was here, too.

I didn't go downtown, but apparently there were also out-of-state union thugs here.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:19 | 3053562 Quinvarius
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I completely diagree with Hoffa that his union should have a legal right to a percentage of people's paychecks. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:49 | 3053690 BurningFuld
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If Hoffa's Union guys are all so in favor of Unions what does he have to worry about anyway?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:44 | 3053566 NidStyles
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What did I say in the other thread? Statists are violent, they only understand the use of force.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:35 | 3054150 margaris
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I agree... though they dont like open violence. They would not rob their neighbours by their own hand... but they would use government to do so...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:21 | 3053569 lolmao500
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Or arrest him for inciting revolt.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:29 | 3053606 The Gooch
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Inciting revolt and inciting civil war are two very different animals. I think.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:14 | 3053760 centerline
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Probably not anymore.  Wonder who the first will be in the US to officially be "droned."

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:05 | 3054670 The Gooch
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As I stated yesterday, math was droned first.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:23 | 3053572 dick cheneys ghost
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Just another symptom of our dead monetary system. Lets remember to place the blame where it belongs......the Rothschilds and Rockefellers

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:25 | 3053592 Silverhog
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Don't forget Fuck wad Blankfein's.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:30 | 3053617 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Your right DCGhost, but this bunch milked every drop they could and it's coming to an end. " You get what you put in and people get what they deserve" (Kid Rock)


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:44 | 3053670 falak pema
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how about rocky and rambo and ronald of reagan, robert rubin and road runner to lead the pack of rascals.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:24 | 3053580 Bay of Pigs
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Jim Hoffa and the Teamsters? Good about a poster child of corruption.

"We're back, and thriving"? Yeah okay Jimmy, take a walk through Detroit you lying sack of shit. 


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:40 | 3053649 falak pema
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so where  is the honest piglet in the land of the brave? 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:37 | 3053851 WillyGroper
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Why, it's Jon Corzine & the gunzablazin' SEC enforcement.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:00 | 3054658 Freddie
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Don't forget Stevie Cohen and SAC.  He has a gold SEC Get Out of Jail card too.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:24 | 3053581 Surrealist
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Will all fizzle down like it did in Winsconsin.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:23 | 3053583 TuPhat
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Hoffa obviously doesn't understand representative government.  His elected reps did their job and he says it isn't right.  Michigan needed this years ago.  My wife is from Michigan.  My sister lives there.  They will tell you not to go near Detroit.  If you are driving through on the freeway and accidentally get stuck in an exit only lane, do not stop.  Even for lights if it's night time.  You could end up dead.  That's the UAW legacy. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:36 | 3053633 Everybodys All ...
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Detroit. Take a look at Chicago, Newark, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Philadelphia, etc. The common thread is they have been democratically led for decades. These large deficits and entitlement spending have now put all of these cities on there own fiscal cliffs.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:07 | 3054789 Anusocracy
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Hunter-gatherer economics don't work.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:23 | 3054937 Flakmeister
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Check out the Haida....a minarchist's wet dream...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:07 | 3053751 quasimodo
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Judging from the down arrows we have some union panties amongst the crowd

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:11 | 3053584 The Gooch
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What's in a name?

edit: Oh yeah, "Jesse Sharkey"

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:24 | 3053585 HaroldWang
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Part of the "behind the doors" bits of fiscal cliff compromise happening right before your eyes. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:25 | 3053588 AldoHux_IV
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This is our economy today: one behemoth of an flawed institution fighting another behemoth of a flawed institution all the while everyone loses.

Politicians and labor unions pointing to a recovering auto industry. ZH pointing to channel stuffing.  Data points and trade pointing to slowing demand. Anybody with half a brain pointing to the fact that bailouts and crony capitalism have wrecked this country and the longer we fool ourselves the more we'll see people fighting over the last scraps with no real solution in sight.


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:34 | 3053622 NidStyles
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We are not fooling ourselves, if we were we wouldn't be here.


I hate to be the one to point it out, but listen to Jimmy speaking, that is the mean level of intelligence in the country right now. They are not fooling anyone, they are just convinced that they are correct. Trust me, I run into this daily, and I don't mind it anymore. It makes easier to just stay drunk and they are none the wiser.


No need to be so down about things out of your control. Cheer up have a drink, go on vacation and enjoy life, it's too short to worry about a bunch of people that won't listen. Just stick to those that are like you and keep working and sharing with those that ask questions or show interest.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:36 | 3053640 falak pema
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you mean Boehner is right; or Koch Bros, or is it big Ben?

Who is right on the button in USA? 

Anyone flying that plane?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:38 | 3053651 NidStyles
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None of the above.


Dude, check the avatar, get back to me after you read some Rothbard or Mises. Then you might be close to some of the rest of us. Yes, I have noticed your violent statist rants on here before.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:47 | 3053677 falak pema
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Mises, holy cow, nothing violent there and its balanced in my opinion. Ok, when hopium comes to the US give me a ring. 

SO mises is going to fly the kite when the land of libertarians get their act together. All hail the new leader. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:31 | 3053813 ceilidh_trail
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So how are things in france? It appears that you guys are sliding down the tube ahead of us.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:24 | 3054569 Freddie
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Well some of the French youth are starting to stand up to the Islamists.   We just put em in the white hut and let their hollywood lackeys talk about killin whitey.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:42 | 3053864 NidStyles
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You probably should have read his work, you might actually understand how ridiculous your commentary sounds to us then.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:01 | 3053964 Jerome Lester H...
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He is probably in a union. Reading is not in his job description. That said he would probably seek out the Cliff Notes version anyways!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:02 | 3053974 Central Bankster
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ZH has really drawn out the trolls because it is the last bastion of truth and free speech.  Every other financial/news website (including the comment sections) is over run by both left wing and right wing fascists.  They are committed to their causes of controlling people and destroying the wealth creation process, brought about by individual and economic freedom.  They are truly low life scum and I couldn't agree more with your comments.  Have a drink, do the things you love, and people of like mind will join you and love you in return.  These trolls are to be ignored, and when the time comes that they threaten our life and liberty, then we should remember to not hesitate to protect ourselves and the ones we love.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:17 | 3054058 lakecity55
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We made a big mistake in allowing any public-service group to form unions.

All of us have been asleep at the switch to one degree or another.

ZH is a wake-up call.

If USA persons won't demand rule of law, we are screwed.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:28 | 3054379 Jerome Lester H...
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Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:28 | 3054941 Flakmeister
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Empty platitudes do not form the basis of a functioning political economy thus it would seem that you are the one lacking in a proper education in that regard...

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 20:04 | 3057813 NidStyles
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Political Economy? More nonsense.


My Education is pretty good actually. I have two Bachelors and a Master's in Economics. I also have many years of slinging bullets in the military. What is your education in? 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 21:00 | 3057949 Flakmeister
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Ph.D.,  M.Sc., B.Sc.... Physics: + close to 5 years on Wall street after many years of pure research...

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:17 | 3055058 falak pema
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debate aint about spouting libertarian dogma, like it was Godlike and evident truism bestowed on man by new Moses of Mises.

Just to give you an historical example of a truly sincere, intelligent but dogmatic man who got caught in his own spider's web of dogmatic thought : Thomas of Aquinas.

He decreed in the debate between Enquiry and Dogma that enraged the middle ages : that for those who believed in God no proof of his existence was required and for those who did not no proof was acceptable. Thus debate over.

The whole thread of humanity subsequently proved that thesis wrong. Dogma gave way to the process of rational enquiry based on empirical fact as the vital thread of human progress.

So CB when you say others "troll" 'cos they don't agree with your version of new libertarian dogma, you just repeat Saint Thomas of Aquinas. 

I prefer to adhere to the whole process of agnostic enquiry; where empiricism and fact and logic define what works and what doesn't work in society. 


So if that is the verdict of history, no witch doctor like Mises is going to solve humanity's problems. It'll take "belling the cat" in the name of people and democracy, AND THAT, is not on the libertarian page of values.

You guys ONLY knee jerk in terms of "ME FIRST". And that creates no social cohesion, just dissension. 



So that is the final destination of the libertarians : Caesar's rule.

No libertarian has ever here on ZH presented a political program that is viable as a social model and a grass roots based power construct. Its ALL theory and mumbo jumbo. Ron Paul worship. And look where that leads.

Second American revolution? It'll take more than words! 

Now you can call me troll! Brother fool. 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 10:04 | 3055425 Flakmeister
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Rock on!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:38 | 3053650 surf0766
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Excellent postings today. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:40 | 3053653 NidStyles
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I'm sober today. It's miserable to be honest.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:56 | 3053715 BurningFuld
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Drinking is bad for your health. Eventually your health will fail and you will become a burden on society trying to maintain your cirrhotic body. The borg says stop it.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:46 | 3053872 NidStyles
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I made over $***K last year. The Borg and the rest of the so called Americans can go suck a ****. At Least the Borg was honest about what they were doing.


I would rather die than let those people determine the nature of my health or it's condition.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:05 | 3053984 Jerome Lester H...
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I tip my glass of the Macallan to you in tribute and hearty agreement!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:27 | 3054576 Freddie
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What is sad is these evil ****ers are constantly beating us down and robbing us.  They are evil.  Hopefully their time is coming.  Hang in there. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:31 | 3054585 XitSam
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I don't often drink but I'll drink to that. Screw the nanny statists! Cheers!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:59 | 3053946 WillyGroper
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Cronies in both corporate & when the unions were broken/& sold out during Bonzo's reign. 

It never ceases for all of the pissing & moaning about crony capitalism, you lednbrass parrots revel with rabid glee at financial opression while espousing your gun rights. More divide & conquer, while the engineers of this mess continue to legislate financial terrorism & fail to enforce any semblance of laws on the books. 

NO, I don't agree w/Hoffa. Yes, I WAS a union member until they sold out. Burned my card in 1981. Yes, I could not believe a retired teacher in NJ received $100K per year pension. True, I looked it up. The SS line was bullshit. This mess is not sustainable & it's about time the thieves at the top took it up the financial a$$!

Meanwhile, pay attention to the pop-ups on this sight with Hitllary & UN gun control. It's comin. Hang together, or hang seperately. 

Where's Corzine?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:26 | 3053591 Coldsun
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The only things Unions don't like is competition. Why not let multiplte unions compete for the workers rights? All of sudden the workers would get more and the unions less. Regardless, unions should not be in the public sector because they hold services paid for by the taxpayers hostage. That simple.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:28 | 3053607 lolmao500
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The unions compete with the government for your wage money. Well they are more of a team... and now the Michigan government backstabbed the Michigan unions in the back and they are pissed.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:05 | 3054672 Freddie
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Didn't that happen once? Wasn't there a competing union to the Teamsters ort another union?  I thought it turned into a violent turf war too.  It was then settled.  They are like crime families like the Gambinos and Bonnanos - literally.  They have meetings to settle issues and decide who gets to shake down whom. 

They are evil SCUM.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:28 | 3053598 Getting Old Sucks
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Didn't even read this but if he said what the headline said, GOODBYE,  SAY HELLO TO YOUR FATHER!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:28 | 3053600 surf0766
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Fire them all now !  If it goes to court tell them contract law was broken when the bond holders of GM were screwed.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:27 | 3053601 A Lunatic
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Speaking of entitlement junkies............

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:29 | 3053605 Everybodys All ...
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How ironic these guys asked for an Obama presidency and now his economic policies are leading to their demise.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:30 | 3053611 surf0766
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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:10 | 3054005 lakecity55
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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:33 | 3053627 lolmao500
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Don't try pointing that out to them, their heads will explode.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:03 | 3053973 WillyGroper
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Not defending the BigO, but this as in WI was a right wing agenda. How is this his policy?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:32 | 3053623 Being Free
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Bring it on Jimmy, I'll leave a light on for you.  I'm ready...are you???

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:34 | 3053630 falak pema
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I thought the civil war was a eurozone issue; never, never, could it come to USA! 

And, "its in Chicago, my home town!" ...O'bammy must be feeling browned out! 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:50 | 3053692 Flakmeister
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You may recall that the US had a pretty good one.... ironically, slavery was at the root of that one as well...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:54 | 3053710 falak pema
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well when Lincoln becomes a dirty word and FDR a curse on America, I think munching popcorn is the only way out.

To think that the philosopher's stone lies in Mises's wise beard! 

Will gold standard cure the energy crunch and ecological spike (another dirty word, yikes!)

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:04 | 3053734 Flakmeister
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In case you have not noticed Lincoln and FDR would be persona non grata already in most ZH threads....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:15 | 3054047 Jerome Lester H...
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Please explain how slavery was at the root of the US Civil War?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:21 | 3054072 Flakmeister
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I feel so sorry for you...

Did you have to leave school in grade 7 to help your parents make ends meet?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:05 | 3054294 Central Bankster
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You lack even the smallest of a foundation of history and economics, its a true testament to our education system.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:33 | 3054405 Jerome Lester H...
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Indeed, it is comical that one who spends all of his free time trolling Zero Hedge claims to have insight into history that no one else does. His non answer was answer enough for me. You know the old saying..."Cast not your pearls before swine."!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:46 | 3054626 Flakmeister
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You are really going to have to do better than that...

So maybe you could explain what the US Civil War was all about for us then... was it, perchance, "The War of Northern Agression" where you learned your letters? That would explain much....

Why don't you google "Cornerstone Speech" and get back and share with us what you learned...

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:15 | 3054690 Freddie
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The Roth klan up to their old tricks and a prelude to 1913 Jekyl Island and then 1929.

It was about slavery or enslaving southern whites and stealing the south's wealth.  Look at who the carpetbaggers were in the south after the war.  

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:27 | 3054811 Flakmeister
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Were you beaten as a child? Perhaps you were abandoned...

I mean to come up with such nonsense must be a deeply ingrained defense mechanism arising from a horrific case of PTSD....

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:58 | 3054923 Shell Game
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It was not about slavery. Great Britian abolished slavery with no bloodshed. Instead, they abolished it with a simple free market threat:  keep it, we will not do business with you; abolish and we will.

Lincoln's vision of a national banking system, national rail road system and economic protectionism (early corporatism) for Northern businesses was only possible if all the States towed the line.  The South wanted to be free and wanted no part in Lincoln's dictatorial vision.  The South had to be crushed to form the 150 year reign of the Whig (Republican) party. 

Not such a good guy, that Lincoln.  It was not about slavery.  It was all about centralized power.


Medullar insults in 3.....2......

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:37 | 3054946 Flakmeister
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Is that the revisionist crap that is taught south of the Mason-Dixon line?

Better look up the "Cornerstone Speech" and get back to us... By the future VP of the CSA no less well, just  before Ft. Sumter and I would say his views are pretty clear....

The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:18 | 3054350 mumcard
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Maybe he's talking about economic slavery or sovereign states having to give their control over to the central beast.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:08 | 3054313 CaptainObvious
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You never cracked a history book after leaving public school, did ya?  Have a red, courtesy of someone who knows the real causes of the Civil War...and slavery wasn't one of them.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:40 | 3054429 Calmyourself
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Really, slavery at the root of the Civil war?  Is that why Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation EO 2 years after the start of hostilities?  Your as bad at history as you are at economics, I hear Huffpo calling...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:48 | 3054628 Flakmeister
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Lotta peckerwood crackers out tonight...

Explain to me exactly what the "Cornerstone Speech" said.... And remember, this was the antebellum South. So why don;t you take your misguided revisionist history to the local "Lost Cause" pity party and  fuck off....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:33 | 3053631 Dasa Slooofoot
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Collective Bargaining States average unemployment rate 7.5%
Right To Work average unemployment rate 6.9%

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:36 | 3053639 NidStyles
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Don't use facts to confuse those that demand facts!!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:37 | 3053643 Dasa Slooofoot
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Guess I better not add that when including cost of living, right to work states have higher purchasing power with their wages!  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:05 | 3053985 WillyGroper
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Care to give any wage scales with those percentages? Kinda like all the jobs Perry has created in TX. Fast food jobs.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:34 | 3053636 ifishivote
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Fuck public unions..


Most of my real estate taxes goes to fund Teachers pension. My taxes keep going up but yet nothing in my neighborhood gets any better.


Didn't Obama win a Noble peace prize...How come he never condemns union Violence? Its ashamed that those of us that are paying attention to collapse of our country are outnumbered.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:57 | 3053929 ceilidh_trail
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Public school teachers in my area put in 20 years and they retire with pensions. I have already put in 32 years with my private employer and cannot retire with full pension for another 13 years (age 67). I would love to see these "hard workers" do what I do for a living. Most in my field drop out in 15 years or so. And the assholes in charge (boner&bamster) want to raise the retirement age again??? Do you really want a 70 year old guy taking care of you for 12 hours in the ICU? Ridiculous. One of my coworker friends recently retired at age 63. She couldn't handle the physical labor of heaving about 300lb slobs. She got to enjoy 7 months of retirement at reduced benefits before dying of colon cancer. I hope all of these public worker unions get busted. Cops and firemen included. They whine about hard work and danger- join the club. In the past few years, I have had 2 coworkers get beaten up in the unit to the point of needing surgery and months of rehab. Nobody got charged, just my RNs paid the price. Public "heroes" can't be given enough. Us in the private sector get squat. I can go on. Cry me a river for any public worker.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:19 | 3054002 Central Bankster
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But in Fascist USSA, fat people provide work for the healthcare industry.  So it is you the worker, who should be grateful for these fat useless (full?) slobs!  Without fatasses getting free shit for doing nothing, how would you have long hours to work and be no better off!?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:11 | 3054015 WillyGroper
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>>>>>Do you really want a 70 year old guy taking care of you for 12 hours in the ICU? 

No, but I'd love to witness that very thing after the oligarch's stole your last crumb of bread, & was in that ICU.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:36 | 3053638 GubbermintWorker
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Hoffa pointed out Michigan's recovering auto industry, saying the Wolverine State has bounced back from the recession without being a "right to work" state.

Huh? Yeah right Jimmy, those factories are cranking them out but unfortunately people aren't buying that shit.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:36 | 3053641 petolo
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Wanted: Union Dues Collector , Must have expert markmanship ,have knowledge of human anatomy, cement construction and be able to work after dark. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:37 | 3053647 ifishivote
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According to Obama and the morons on the left, GM is doing great. If so then why doesn't GM and the UAW bailout Detroit?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:41 | 3053662 surf0766
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Why don't they  pick up a broom and clean the dam place.

Like tits on a bull !

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:39 | 3053654 The Gooch
Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:39 | 3053655 stant
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the union wants a civil war. lol

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:39 | 3053658 Flakmeister
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This thread will be quite a circle jerk based on who's posted so far...

Hey guys please don't slobber in my popcorn while you work yourselves into a frenzy...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:44 | 3053675 The Gooch
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Considering you just posted, I concur.

Please don't breathe near my martini.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:39 | 3054164 Flakmeister
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You got me confused with a Randian Hedgehog, or you have no idea what a circle jerk is...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:22 | 3054360 The Gooch
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I do however like the Circle Jerks. "Group Sex" is a fucking classic.



Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:57 | 3053719 Oldwood
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We just love the smell of burning union cards in the morning!  Unions being comprised of cowards, there is nothing better than a mob or late night destruction to make their point!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:06 | 3054303 Central Bankster
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Your comment is funny, but you're still an idiot.  So I give you a plus one!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:46 | 3053679 Freewheelin Franklin
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He visits his dad every Sunday that there is a Giants game.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:47 | 3053681 Implicit simplicit
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Its all bunch of bullshit. Many union workers accept the right to work when they do extra jobs after work, and on week-ends, and get paid cash. if you don 't have to pay taxes and union fees, you can afford the right to work. if one can't do it ypurself .there is always barter or cash payments to save money. Be an air conditioned gypsy with a right to survive.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:48 | 3053684 tony bonn
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he sure looks good for someone who managed to crack out of block cement at the bottom of the lake michigan...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:08 | 3053748 Implicit simplicit
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I guess you could say he really did come from the same gene "pool", bada boom

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:48 | 3053688 Freewheelin Franklin
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This isn't about collective bargaining. It's about choice. The union bosses will just have to work a little harder, and listen to their members if they want them to stay in the union. This empowers workers and takes power from crooked union bosses, like Hoffa.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:14 | 3054046 WillyGroper
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>>>The union bosses will just have to work a little harder, and listen to their members if they want them to stay in the union. This empowers workers and takes power from crooked union bosses, like Hoffa


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:50 | 3053695 walcott
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pro union here all the way! TEAMSTERS!!!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:04 | 3053732 Freewheelin Franklin
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Proud to be union. Proud to be 'murican. Proud to beat the crap out of people who are willing to work for less than me.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:18 | 3053699 Georgiabelle
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The unmistakeable irony here is that the Michigan unions did this to themselves by over-reaching and trying to write the right to collective bargaining into the Michigan State Constitution. They kicked the hornets' nest and now they've been stung. I particularly love how the Michigan Republicans wrote the law in a way that makes it extremely difficult to over-turn, either legislatively or by ballot referendum. Too bad Jimmy. You screwed up. Deal with it. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:51 | 3053700 walcott
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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:53 | 3053705 inevitablecollapse
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Let one of these 400 lb mouth breathers come near me or my family. Civil war? I think not James...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:53 | 3053706 Savyindallas
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Today's Unions suck  -they are owned and controlled by the Banksters  -scratch the NLRA  -get rid of the NLRB  - also get rid of bankster controlled monopolies in this Fascist crony capitalist state  - dumbed down America has no chance  - too many sheeple are  stupid and as corrupt as the criminals who control us (present company and most ZH readers excluded) Of course we are corrupt because "they" worked hard to make us so.

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