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Jimmy Hoffa Warns Of "Civil War" As Michigan Governor Signs "Right-To-Work" Into Law

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Minutes before Michigan Governor Snyder signed the 'Right-To-Work' bill into law...

  • MICHIGAN GOVERNOR SNYDER SIGNS BAN ON MANDATORY UNION DUES

... Teamsters head Jimmy Hoffa appeared on CNN, as seen in the clip below, warning that:

"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war,"

as the bill to weaken unions' power is passed. If Hoffa is right, look for Michigan GDP to soar: after all it is one of the more Keynesian states in the union.

Via AP: Michigan Gov. Snyder signs right-to-work bills

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has signed right-to-work legislation, dealing a devastating and once-unthinkable defeat to organized labor in a state that has been a cradle of the movement for generations.

 

He put his signatures on the bills Tuesday, hours after the state House passed the measures as the chants of thousands of angry pro-union protesters filled the Capitol.

 

Snyder says a failed ballot proposal to enshrine collective bargaining rights in the constitution triggered the discussion that led to the passage and signing of right-to-work.

 

During a news conference, he called the protests "an exercise in democracy."

Jim Hoffa, of the International brotherhood of Teamsters explains his perspective:

 

Via CNN:

Jimmy Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said Tuesday he expects Michigan unions and lawmakers to break out into "civil war" after the state legislature passed right-to-work bills that would weaken unions' power.

 

"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war," Hoffa said on CNN's "Newsroom."

 

The Republican-controlled state House passed two bills that had already been approved by the GOP-dominated state Senate. Gov. Rick Snyder, also a Republican, is poised to sign the bill, which would allow workers at union-represented employers to forgo paying dues.

 

As thousands of protestors gathered at the state capitol on Tuesday, Hoffa called the legislation a "tremendous mistake" and "a monumental decision to make" by outgoing lawmakers in a lame duck session.

 

"What they're doing is basically betraying democracy," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin. "If there's any question here, let's put it on the ballot and let the people of Michigan decide what's good for Michigan."

 

Proponents of the legislation say it gives workers more freedom, while opponents say a less robust union presence will negatively affect workers’ rights. Hoffa also argued that those who don't pay union dues will be considered "free riders,” as they’re getting the same benefits from union representation without the cost.

 

Hoffa pointed to Michigan's recovering auto industry, saying the Wolverine State has bounced back from the recession without being a "right to work" state.

 

"This is basically a step backward," he argued.

 

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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:57 | 3053713 fukidontknow
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Jimmy Hoffa American show stopper

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:58 | 3053721 squexx
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The first union they need to destroy is the Teamsters! Fuck unions and all the lazy, worthless slugs that belong to them!

 

DESTROY THE TEAMSTERS UNION!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:05 | 3053981 lakecity55
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If Ted Nugent had said that, the TSA Nazis would be beating him senseless with rubber hoses right now while O'Twinkie watched from a one-way mirror and pleasured himself.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:01 | 3053725 Oldwood
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Pro freedom! Give people the right to choose if they want to belong to a union. A union that can't stand on its own merits isn't worth having.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:19 | 3054352 CaptainObvious
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This is precisely why Hoffa is threatening "civil war".  He knows damn well that when a state goes right-to-work, union membership drops off a cliff.  The unions aren't worth saving because we have labor laws now, laws that didn't exist back when labor unions were whelped.  Nobody needs a labor union any more, so Hoffa and his ilk are attempting to ram unions down the collective throats of the USSA by force.  Power, once obtained, is difficult to surrender.  Power that leads to personal riches?  Impossible to surrender.  Hoffa is only fighting for union dominance because that way lies his own fortune.  He certainly doesn't give a rat's ass about the people he purports to represent.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:05 | 3053730 Bawneee Fwank
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I beg you jimmy, I fucking beg you to bring it...you and your parasitic fucking ilk.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:05 | 3053736 jplotinus
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The unmentioned confounding variable here is that most unions, and certainly the UAW, Teamsters, AFSCMU, and the Teachers unions have all failed miserably over at least the course of the 2k millennium, and counting.

The greater part of involvement during said time period has been that of fronting for management, nothing more.

The counter intuitive issue is that workers may resort to new, more effective means of preserving jobs and increasing pay/benees without the traditional, bought and paid for (by management and Democricans) unions.

An attack on unions needs to and just might backfire on those who are interested in stifling collective bargaining.

There are silver lining prospects here, bitchez

:-0

There, that oughta get me some much appreciated downs from the capitalists around here!!

:-D

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:11 | 3053742 WhiteNight123129
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I will make everyone agree, send the angry workers at Goldman Sachs and at the Fed. Their anger and willingness to pummel someone would be of good use!

 

Remember that the best union breakers were disenfranchised workers who did not have protection in Germany and Italy (the brown shirts). They were very frustrated so they were sent to beat other lower class people. The people at the top just rejoiced seeing the disenfranchized poor people beating the pulp of other lower class people who were in unions. No need for unions, just force the business owners to pay in honest money so people can save.

WHo is your enemy?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:07 | 3053744 loveyajimbo
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Notice how the polyps on the colon of society are the ones so anxious to riot when their hand-outs, gained through naked corruption, are removed by the people who are going broke on the backs of them?? Unions, blacks, illegals... any group that voted over 95% for the historic failure, liar and coward Obunga should be outlawed.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:00 | 3053957 lakecity55
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+1, for your icon AND comment!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:10 | 3053754 FinalCollapse
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One Hoffa is already at the bottom of the Lake Tahoe and getting lonely there. Jimmy may be the next one.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:41 | 3053757 JuicedGamma
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dup

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:12 | 3053758 JuicedGamma
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They're still fighting the last war.  They lost that one when we lost all our manufacturing due to high wages (unions) and regulations (Washington).  There's nothing left to have a civil war over except trying to keep his high profile (think big $) job that he got THANKS TO DADDY!!!!!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:42 | 3054621 Freddie
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I talked to longtime South Carolinian.  I mmentioned Patty Murray, Bronco, unions in WA state and Boeing.  He said if they had tried to force Boeing to not move some production to SC - there would be civil war 2.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:16 | 3053764 azzhatter
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fuck you hoffa, go back to blowing bob king

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:16 | 3053765 yellowsub
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Having a choice isn't democratic.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:20 | 3053776 WhiteNight123129
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The idea that Unions are always negative and counter productive is wrong. Look at Germany and AG Metals and what they did in 2003, you need responsible unions who are asking for constructive things like skill training. The German workers have a system where the Gov does complement the hours of part time worker during economic downturns so that the highly skilled workers of Germany[s heavy machinery industry do not lose their skills, while the Industry can flexibilize its labor cost during downturns, as soon as the upturn comes back, the hours are ramped up and hte gov cuts the benefits. If you leave a highly specialized and skilled industrial worker out of a job for long he loses his skills...

I do not know much about Teamsters but I think Germany is an example as far as how unions can promote quite positive interaction with the industrialists.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:36 | 3053848 booboo
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"If you leave a highly specialized and skilled industrial worker out of a job for long he loses his skills".......and this has what to do with Detroit auto drunks

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:58 | 3053937 lakecity55
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If unions are so great, why did GM go under?

And, why did O'Twinkie STEAL the bondholders' monies?

Why is the US Taxpayer subsidizing these short-bus cretins?

All those union dues are just a big slush fund for the socialist democratic party.

AND, NOBODy is killing the union. You just don't have to be Corleoned into joining one.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:41 | 3053863 LadyEconomist
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The best example of 'positive union' was Polish Solidarity Movement with Lech Walensa as their leader in the 1980s. But, ups, they were fighting commies, so their existance is swept under the carpet right now.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:00 | 3053958 dogbreath
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Lech Hoffa  Jimmy Walensa

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:24 | 3054101 Flakmeister
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WN, you are wasting your breath with asshats that crawl out for these threads... They are intellectually stunted and ideologically deprived.... 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:28 | 3054123 Jerome Lester H...
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I can tell you from experience that it does not take a whole lot of skill to drive a semi truck. Blindsiding in a sleeper tractor, now that does take some skill. Most Teamsters drive day cabs though and any fool should be able to blind side or sight side in one of those!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:50 | 3054641 Freddie
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Germans have their long established apprentice system.  Most of their union workers are skilled and are not that much like these fat drunken thugs in the U.S.. 

Line workers at BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Audi et al want to build a quality product.  UAW workers want to stick it to management, buy a boat, get stoned and drunk on their lunch break at the bar or Quickie Mart. 

German students taught by German teachers can read unlike 93% of 8th graders in Detroit.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:22 | 3053785 caimen garou
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civil war? come now hoffa, them sounds like terrorist words! right big brother?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:23 | 3053790 Atomizer
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Hello Jimmy P. Hoffa,

Do you remember what happened to your father? Funny how a man like yourself can call upon the same failed errors. Its your call, not mine...

http://vault.fbi.gov/jimmy-hoffa

http://www.isreview.org/issues/25/The_1930s.shtml

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:28 | 3053803 Yen Cross
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All Hoffa wants for Christmas is a pair of cement boots...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:22 | 3054092 WillyGroper
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Definitely asked for them, mouthing off as he did. He'll probably get them too.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:29 | 3053807 Undecided
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hahahaha You guys are all suckers they got you fighting one against each other, exactly where they want you.  Union bad, right to work good.  Meanwhile they will take all the rewards.  Keep on fight each other they don't give a fuck!  Lower wages more work, just so you can have a job lol.  God to half of the people hear them selves.  They threaten to close down companies because people demand livable pay, or you get to work for peanuts. 

Keep on driving the people appart as the rich pack up to other Countries.  Fools!

Oh wait that cute little Monkey Named Darwine awwww..

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:30 | 3053814 Uncle Remus
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So that's what "going full retard" looks like?

Damn.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:31 | 3053817 booboo
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If being stuffed in a gunny sack that did not have the union label was good enough for the old man it will have to be good enough for the loud mouth fat bastard son of his.

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:31 | 3053821 IridiumRebel
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You wouldn't need weapons, just make those fat assess get their heart rates up a touch and they'll die from a heart attack. No civil war needed.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:43 | 3053867 ZFiNX
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The fact that Obama has not mentioned this conflagration gives me insight into his motives.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:25 | 3054103 WillyGroper
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Why the hell should he. Left/Right, it's all the same.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:12 | 3053874 Mediocritas
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More of the propaganda about needing to weaken workers unions. They won't rest until we're all 100% divided and easiest to conquer. Let's ignore the media whores and bleating apologists and look at a simple fact:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2zc6Qc/TUWbVZ16InI/AAAAAAAAO4I/VxVlHEMn4I...

As you can see, unions have already been in terminal decline. There's clearly no need for more red tape coming from DC which then raises the question, what are they really trying to achieve?

There's one union that's actually a major threat within the USA and that's the bankster union represented by teamster boss Ben Bernanke. I see no effort to curtail the power of THAT union.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:46 | 3053881 Piranhanoia
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Michigan has become a right to work state. They really accomplished something important.  They figured out how to lower wages in their state when wages were already in the tank.  They got what they were paid for by the foreign corporations that will lower their revenue base even more,  while demanding tax breaks to hire minimum wage workers for skilled positions.  Everything is working out like it should in a neocon dream.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:39 | 3054165 VisualCSharp
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U mad, bro?

Red vs blue, right vs left.....it's the same team, dude. Grow up.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:54 | 3054248 Jerome Lester H...
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So who's wages were lowered? Here's how you prevent your wages from going lower....Show up to work every day, early, ready to work. Don't be late, don't call in sick unless you really are. Be better than your fellow employee, work harder, learn, pay attention to those who will take the time to teach you new skills, stay late if you need to finish something, don't whine, do not seek to be compensated for staying 5-10 minutes late, always view yourself as a team member (even if no one else that you work with does), do not go to work under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Do not expect your coworkers to do work assigned to you. If your employer does not appreciate you giving extra effort then find one that does or start your own business. I can tell you as someone who has been both employee and employer that you will be noticed by a wise business owner if you do the above.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:46 | 3053883 Rearranging Dec...
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These Unions are so self serving. They never make reasonable concessions of existing and legacy workers and always throw the new hires under the bus. Maybe if they hadn't they would have more support.

 

At one point when we had actual sweatshops Unions were necessary. Nowadays they are just a nother corrupt actor acting in their short term immediate self-interest at the expense of long term prosperity for the many.

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:56 | 3053930 Mediocritas
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I know where you're coming from in principle but here's some food for thought: 

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/unionincome.jpg

I'm not saying that correlation is causation but it is interesting.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:12 | 3054021 Rearranging Dec...
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Well the unions should have gone full on to support Ross Perot instead of the neoliberal Clinton. If we had fair trade instead of free trade that chart might be a lot flatter.

 

Its hard not to feel the way I do when my state California has been bankrupted by the public employees unions.  There is fair and then there is raping the taxpayer.

 

I had to work hard and study a lot to get an education and my situation still sucks. Why should these dope smoking and drinking on their lunch break high school drop outs get paid such high wages and benefits? 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:47 | 3053884 Seasmoke
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What did those who hated both the North and the South do ?......

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:12 | 3054028 Jugdish
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O ya. Those people. Those people get screwed by wihichever collective group of assholes win. Raised a good point. +1

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:48 | 3053891 no cnbc cretin
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Stupid Repugs. The Right-To-Work law is a union busting tatcic. Shame on them, the Repugs I mean.

PS - this hurts everyone in the US. And only benefits Wallstreet crooks!

 

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:40 | 3054178 VisualCSharp
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How does this hurt me, exactly? Care to elaborate, or are you just going to continue spewing mindless tripe?

Red vs blue, left vs right.... they're the same team.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:28 | 3054383 CaptainObvious
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Oh really?  Tell me, which piece of electronic equipment in your home was built by union employees?  I'll save you the enormous effort of checking by just giving you the answer...none of them were.  Those jobs fled overseas a long time ago because it was discovered that various non-white, non-union employees would happily do the same low-skill job for a hell of a lot less, and without a health plan even.  The unions chased those jobs away by being too demanding and grabby.  Unions hurt jobs in the US.  The Wall Street crooks benefit no matter who builds the iGadget because they engineer things that way.  Pull your head out of your ass, man.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:34 | 3054408 WAMO556
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Prove it... Other then the BS rhetoric that you are spewing.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:47 | 3053892 no cnbc cretin
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Stupid Repugs. The Right-To-Work law is a union busting tatcic. Shame on them, the Repugs I mean.

PS - this hurts everyone in the US. And only benefits Wallstreet crooks!

 

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:55 | 3053928 notadouche
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How does not forcing an employee to join a union bust the union.  No one is preventing a person from joining the union that I'm aware of and if it is advantageous for the individual to join the union and the union is a great organization I would think it would have zero affect on their membership.  Me thinks you doth protest too much.  Of course if the union sucks then like any uneffective enterprise it will go down the tubes and rightfully so.  

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:42 | 3054183 VisualCSharp
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He's just lying to himself. He's telling himself what he needs to hear to calm his fears. He's not operating on a rational level but rather an emotional one. It's not worth arguing logically with animals like him.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:32 | 3054399 WAMO556
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So you don't support the (individual) right to work, bit you do support the right of the union (large group) to allow you to work?

FUCKING TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY..... Don't you get it???!

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:53 | 3054801 tip e. canoe
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"right to work" is similar to "global warming" : a concept with a solid basis in principle which was twisted & branded in an age-old strategy of divide, conquer & control the masses in service of a global fascist imperial ideology.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:50 | 3053908 lakecity55
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GO AHEAD, MAFIA ASSHOLE.

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:51 | 3053910 notadouche
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I'm sure Obama and his henchmen will come in and perform another coup de tat over a state that lawmakers have not lined up to what their ideas are.  "Civil War" and "thwarting democracy" that's language that "teabaggers" used and were ridiculed for.  I wonder how the media will portray the criminal Hoffa for such utterances.  Sounds like he's inciting and instigating violence and that should be a violation of the law.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:51 | 3054462 Jerome Lester H...
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For a moment there I thought you were going to say something about a coup and cover up and to click on your link to find out about it. I guess that jack ass can't get past the captcha here!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:59 | 3053956 Westcoastliberal
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Contrary to the sentiment here, Hoffa is right.  Lame duck sessions of Con-gress shouldn't be taking up such landmark legislation.  And for the record guys, it's unions that brought us out of the dark ages, whether you're a union worker or not.  The 40 hour work week, working environment that is safe, fringe benefits, overtime/bonus, vacations, these are just some of what unions have fought for over the years.

I've never had the opportunity to work a union job, but I respect what these guys stand for.  My Dad was a union man and he didn't like unions but walked the picket line when there was a strike.  I don't like to cross picket lines; gives me the creeps.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:47 | 3054209 VisualCSharp
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As has been stated several times in this thread:

Please explain how this legislation prevents unions from forming or eliminates existing unions.

You can't because it doesn't. You're just fearmongering and your argument sucks. You're effectively excusing all current behavior because of what unions may have done in the past. What about all the good things that have come about due to private industry? By your logic, I am entitled to ensure private industry thrives at the expense of all else.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:10 | 3054319 notadouche
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Yeah and the locomotive took us from east coast to west coast but we are not beholding to the train for our transportation.  We all used to gather around the radio and watch it too but not anymore.  Did you realize that at one time it was thought that the earth was flat?  Pluto used to be a planet.  At one time folks believed in segregation.  At one time there was no such thing as income tax.  Obamacare did not exist.  Do you get the point yet?  The present and the future do are not "beholdin" to anyone or anything.  Look what the unions did for Greece.  My brother was a union man and couldn't stand the nepotism but if the union told him to vote for Mickey Mouse then by God he did it.  Didn't ever bother to think for himself.  He left that for the great union leaders that he admitted were all crooks.  Go figure.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:27 | 3054377 WAMO556
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Replace UNION with the MOB!

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:30 | 3054721 Freddie
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Liberals like Steve Jobs, Apple board member Al Gore, John Doerr just transferred the "dark ages" to the Chinese worker serfs at Foxconn.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:01 | 3053963 Billy Shears
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Jimmy, it is OVER!

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:06 | 3053986 Dave Thomas
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LOL In Texas I see myriads of California, New York, New Jersey, and Michigan license plates. They must want them lower wages.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:52 | 3054767 Lednbrass
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And it will ruin your state- those people are two legged plauge rats bringing the same disease that wrecked the scumhole they came from.  Once they get settled they will do whatever they can to turn it into the place they left, but with a warmer climate.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:06 | 3053991 notadouche
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A civil war lead by union workers.  Hmmm how does that play out.  Well you can only have one guy load the ammunition.  Only one guy that can hold a weapon.  Someone else has to aim it.  Then another guy that can pull a trigger and he can only do that once and then they all have to be replaced and start the entire process again.  Oh but wait you have to have a 15 minute break between the loading and the aiming.  Can you imagine how complicated it would be to build and encampment?  Where is Norma Rae when you need her?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:38 | 3054161 WillyGroper
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Whoa, wait a minute. While I was in PT after rotator cuff/labrum surgery, my physical terrorist told me of an auto worker that had the same surgery. In the return to work report they recommended that she do the same job, only the emphasis on the other shoulder, such as swapping sides on a regular basis.

It was a big no can do from management, not the union. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:58 | 3054478 Jerome Lester H...
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I was in PT before and I also thought my therapist was a terrorist!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:02 | 3054500 akak
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Did you ever have an old-style proctological examination?  With the 3-foot metal tube that felt like it had been soaking in icewater and the other plastic tube that pumped you up like a birthday balloon?

Next to that, waterboarding would have been relaxing.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:37 | 3054604 Jerome Lester H...
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I can't say that I ever had any type of proctological examination. The comment made me chuckle though as the PT I had after surgery seemed to get some kind of personal enjoyment out of attempting to stretch my back in ways that it was not ready for. Terrorist was an otherwise apt description for my PT, typo notwithstanding.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:11 | 3054007 Billy Shears
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Don't get me wrong everyone, myself included, wants to make a "good" wage but it has to be supported by the "free" market otherwise you are just picking someone elses pocket. These guys are so out-of-touch they think their salaries are based on the unrivaled success of their industry instead of subsidized by the US government (i.e., taxpayers) and supported by extortion. Thing is, I don't buy their product but I still "pay" for it. Go to HELL!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:20 | 3054071 notadouche
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Without mandatory union dues how will Jimmy get paid? Make no mistake Jimmy is worried about Jimmy.  That is a Hoffa family tradition.  The ones that are frightened are "union leaders" as their free lunch off the blood sweat and tears of the worker may be coming to an end.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:43 | 3054191 Freddie
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The union "management" always comes first.  The mill/factory may get shut down but the union leaders keep getting paid.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:21 | 3054076 Atomizer
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The labor union ponzi scheme is over. Just like the Obamahealthcare scam, without parties paying into the system, the business model fails. As we see repeatedly, the government creates a crisis and the foreign debt holder's repackage a new investment vehicle. Wash, rinse,and repeat. Think global government accord to understand central planners mission.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:26 | 3054111 MFLTucson
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Time for the American people tto say enough with Obama and enough with this fucked up mess he created.  I hope they find Hoffa right next to his father,  bum has never worked a day in his life!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:40 | 3054117 razorthin
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FEMA camps prepped...Check

Bankers saved...Check

Jobs off-shored and middle class gutted...Check

Wages deflated....Check

Troops in every quadrant of every continent...Check

Yes there's going to be a civil war, but it won't be confined to Michigan.  Union busting is but a tiny straw on an already broken back.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.  I am not a union fan, but as long as the fiat is flowing and flowing to the elite and to the war lords at the expense of everyone else, shut the fuck up, neocon, half-assed freedom-fighter hypocrites!  Liberals are no better.  You both suck.  Look up genuine conservatism, read about Ike.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:48 | 3054181 Freddie
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Did you suffer a brain injury when you workd for Oldsmobile?

The one thing I agree on is the FIAT (not the one that owns Chrysler and makes their shitboxes) is running out.  There is less money going around for the elites.  The unions are starting to see their gravy train ending.  they ARE one of the elites. 

Sadly the govt union "workers" are the worst and they will be the last to feel it.   ******g gangsters. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:54 | 3054249 Atomizer
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Afraid you're wrong about FEMA. When policy changes dry up revenue streams, the groups tweaking society advantages will be reported as natural caused death. Welcome to the public traditional and pimping Edward Bernays illusion to trigger consumers into spending monies backed by US Government funded subsidized entitlement programs. When the Obama voters figure out how to use taxpayers monies for other purposes, the corporations supporting tax abatements will go into the red. Tears of bankruptcy will fill the wires to bailout the global infrastructure due to lost jobs. Meanwhile, these companies need your seeded money to build presence offshore.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:40 | 3054174 PGR88
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You mean Jimmy Hoffa is not still dead?

Uh Oh - that also means that Ted Kennedy could still come back!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:46 | 3054211 kaiserhoff
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Sounds like Little Jimmy is volunteering for the John Brown role.

Bless his pea pickin' heart.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:46 | 3054212 blunderdog
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It's kinda funny how so many folks can't seem to comprehend anything more complex than "X is good" or "X is bad."

Both sides have a reasonable argument, but eventually someone has to make a decision, and obviously it's not possible to please everyone.

I like unions just fine, and I prefer a "right to work" state.

Is that really too "nuanced" for posters around here?  Sheesh.

(Incidentally, Jimmy Hoffa Jr does happen to be an idiot, but not because he opposed right-to-work legislation.)

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:06 | 3054300 Totin
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Educate us oh wise one. You are an exceptional human being that is capable of complex thought and informed decisions. The rest of us heathen are more like cave men - X good, Y bad. Grunt.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:24 | 3054368 blunderdog
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your retarted

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:40 | 3054425 CaptainObvious
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I find your retort to be highly amusing, and not because of what you said, but how you spelled it.  Please research the correct use of "your" and "you're", and then get back to us about how we're all a bunch of low-intellect morons who can only accept spoon-fed talking points, okay?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:00 | 3054486 Calmyourself
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He cannot spell retarded, much less handle "your" and "you're",  arguing with this dog is simple futility.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:01 | 3054498 centerline
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Let me guess... this is "english major" night?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:08 | 3054518 CaptainObvious
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Heh heh, as if any English major could understand the subjects being discussed here.  English majors become English majors because they suck at math, and math comprehension is a prerequisite for posting here.

I'm not normally a card-carrying member of the Grammar Police, but when somebody is attempting to insult the intelligence or educational level of someone else and then makes such an elementary grammar mistake, that just cries out for a look-in-the-fucking-mirror-idiot type smackdown.

If I have made any grammatical or spelling errors in this post, I feel sure that I will deserve the smackdown I receive and I will heartily accept it. ;)

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:17 | 3055044 Colonial Intent
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The word y'oure looking for is pedantry.

You seriously think he did it by accident? if so then you are as dumb as he claimed you were.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:00 | 3054488 centerline
centerline's picture

Give it a break CO.  The message was clean.  Didn't know Tyler appointed you the grammer queen.  As if intellect is determined by use of LanGuAge instead of ThOughT.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:12 | 3054542 CaptainObvious
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Read my most recent post, centerline, and then perhaps you will understand why I chose to wear the Grammar Police hat tonight.  By the way, thank you for illustrating my point beautifully.

Oh, and for future reference?  I am a man, so the appellation of "queen" does not apply to me.  Thanks.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:51 | 3055042 Colonial Intent
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Methinks the lady doth protest too much.....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:25 | 3054574 Jerome Lester H...
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Seems to me that not much thought went into posting " your retarted". Besides lacking a subject (your retarted what?), the sentence leads one to believe that something has been re-tarted (like a tart, a sweet cake). It can also be argued that this sentence contains a dangling participle. Words mean things. If you want others to understand the thought that you are trying to express then some grammatical accuracy needs to be applied. Reading that comment just leads me to believe that the person who typed it is a moron.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 10:58 | 3055697 blunderdog
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You're absolutely correct that not much thought went into it.

If someone wants to fight with me, they have to step up the game.  I'll be happy to engage anyone who has an issue with what I've got to say, but I'm not going to be bothered with folks who can't even express whatever problem it is they have with what I've written.

I gave back the equivalent of what I received from Totin.  That so many folks misinterpreted what they saw says far more about them than it does about me.  I've been here awhile.  Most of those guys should know better.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:48 | 3054213 monopoly
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Why does this always exclude police and firemen. My tax dollars pay their salary and I still cannot afford their salaries, or pensions. I get the safety and protection thing but they are employees paid by Us. We all need to take some cuts, but first up....Congress. These representatives of the people, (that's a good one), have not taken one dollar of pay cuts, benefit cuts, retirement cuts or expense cuts. They go first, and then we will follow their lead. You would think by now one of the idiots on MSM would stand out and take them to task, just ONE.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:06 | 3054291 Atomizer
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When you publish a FY budget. These prepared riots open doors to receive untapped monies to grease the wheels. Budget short falls get whitewashed.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:48 | 3054215 dexter_morgan
dexter_morgan's picture

likely will be one, but not because of this...........

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:54 | 3054244 wisehiney
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Civil War...markets sell off....margin calls....they sell paper metal....I buy PRECIOUS. GO HOFFA!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:03 | 3054286 Ookspay
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Hey my club is so wonderful and munificent that we force you to join it and pay the dues. And we want laws to guarantee that right to extort! Are these union dolts living in the past or what?

True story... I went to a concert a few months ago in Ohio. 30 minutes before the concert there were thousands of us standing out in the rain waiting to be scanned and let in. It seems that one of the metal detectors had tripped a breaker and a union electrician had to be summoned to reset it. The union would not allow the carpenters to do it.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:04 | 3054292 goodrich4bk
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The principle of "right to work" isn't the right to work.  It's the right to benefit from union wages and work rules without having to pay for it.  Anybody who loves a free lunch has got to like a "right to work" state.

But why stop there?  I'm forced to pay taxes just like these workers are forced to pay union dues and disagree with a lot of what my government choses to do with my tax money.  My taxes are being used to pay for all sorts of nonsense with which I don't agree.  Troops stationed in 170 bases around the world, crop subsidies for millionaire corporate farmers, Big Pharma subsidies, Medicare for old people that have Alzheimers --- the list is long.

So, let's make paying taxes voluntary and see how that works out, okay?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:15 | 3054338 Ookspay
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The fact that you justify forcing union dues using taxation as the standard says it all. They are both theft and equally unjust.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:21 | 3054356 dexter_morgan
dexter_morgan's picture

just don go gettin rid o my obamaphone sucker

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:29 | 3054386 HiHoAg
HiHoAg's picture

Just so you know goodrich, I voted go fuck yourself...HiHo

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:53 | 3054467 WAMO556
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And a FUCK YOU goes where??? In your ass???

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:47 | 3055039 Colonial Intent
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Without 'Troops stationed in 170 bases around the world, crop subsidies for millionaire corporate farmers, Big Pharma subsidies' you would have the same quality of life that a somali does, either get on board or get out of the way.

Capital is transnational,well so is labor, either join the corruption, fight it or run and hide, ZH is all for the corruption as long as its whites only corruption, all other corruption is baaad.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:11 | 3054329 q99x2
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We will see civil war when Keene and Krugman tell the Bernanke to stop printing and not until I have a white ObamaPhone and new Chevy Volt.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:06 | 3054513 centerline
centerline's picture

you forgot the $100K dumped into your lap to save the system along with everyone else meeting specific criteria.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:44 | 3054748 Freddie
Freddie's picture

until I have a white ObamaPhone

Racist!  You must be one of those whiteys that Jamie Fox and Samuel L Jackson want to kill.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:12 | 3054335 SamAdams1234
SamAdams1234's picture

Who cares its not going to last much longer once the union workers have to start eating each other.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:21 | 3054358 3.7.77
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http://www.unionplus.org/about/labor-unions/36-reasons-thank-union

 

 

  1. Weekends without work
  2. All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
  3. Paid vacation
  4. Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
  5. Sick leave
  6. Social Security
  7. Minimum wage
  8. Civil Rights Act/Title VII - prohibits employer discrimination
  9. 8-hour work day
  10. Overtime pay
  11. Child labor laws
  12. Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
  13. 40-hour work week
  14. Workers’ compensation (workers’ comp)
  15. Unemployment insurance
  16. Pensions
  17. Workplace safety standards and regulations
  18. Employer health care insurance
  19. Collective bargaining rights for employees
  20. Wrongful termination laws
  21. Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)
  22. Whistleblower protection laws
  23. Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) - prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee
  24. Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
  25. Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)
  26. Sexual harassment laws
  27. Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
  28. Holiday pay
  29. Employer dental, life, and vision insurance
  30. Privacy rights
  31. Pregnancy and parental leave
  32. Military leave
  33. The right to strike
  34. Public education for children
  35. Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 - requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work
  36. Laws ending sweatshops in the United States

Thank a union member by buying union-made in America products! 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:29 | 3054385 Clint Liquor
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3.7.77, you forgot being able to keep your job when you get caught drinking and smoking dope during your lunch break.

But anyway, thank you for listing all the  reasons America can no longer compete worldwide.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:57 | 3054650 Flakmeister
Flakmeister's picture

Yes, suh massah....

How would you explain that Germany is premmient in high quality precision manufacturing?  

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:58 | 3054777 Lednbrass
Lednbrass's picture

Quite simple- because it is populated by highly motivated Germans and not useless brain dead UAW types.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:28 | 3054792 Flakmeister
Flakmeister's picture

Wow...

You would not get out of a bar alive in Moline or Tacoma if you said that shit...

Not to mention a few other places....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:29 | 3054389 Ookspay
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Are you saying that if it wasn't for kind and generous unions that people would not be decent to one another? Bwahahahaa!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:30 | 3054390 dexter_morgan
dexter_morgan's picture

37. Waiting outside in rain at concert so they could get a union guy to flip the fucking breaker.......

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:05 | 3054511 Calmyourself
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You have not seen shit... Try unplugging your own trade show display in Chi-town that fat fuck union steward about wet himself after I pulled one plug.  We never went back to Chicago.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:40 | 3054433 centerline
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To categorize unions as either good or bad is really yet another stupid divide.  A binary response.  People being programmed to think in these 0 or 1 terms.  + or -.  Good or bad.

If you want to post such a list with the intent to gain a +, prove these are directly attributable to union action alone.  Otherwise, point taken in that unions have helped forward the working man's cause - but, not alone and not simply because of unions.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:52 | 3054463 WAMO556
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A simple FUCK YOU and I'll be on my way.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:32 | 3054395 Bicycle Repairman
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So unions are the problem?  Well then, problem solved, right?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:33 | 3054401 Atomizer
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Again, stop being processed by the media. They want you to fight against each other to reduce your ponzi position in terms of service payout obligations. High quality payer's whose nest egg cannot be guaranteed until confirmed health records indicate that you are verified. Once you're denied, your payment into system is issued back and into the world investment fund called the Bank of International Settlements.

This is not rocket science.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:44 | 3054446 centerline
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Huh?  It sort of sounds like you are making sense, but it got all mushed up somehow.  I was with you for a moment, especially in terms of the divide part... and then the BIS thing.  But somewhere in between the gin and tonic said nothing made sense.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:19 | 3054558 Atomizer
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Simply speaking in riddles, only you can figure it out. I posted the BIS report, along with the IMF blip yesterday. No one can help you, only you can read the particulars.

 

DEAD CAN DANCE - BLACK SUN

 

Just think austerity plans and empty US resources. High taxes are calculated to bankrupt towards scope of a new utopian goal. We’ve been down this road before, outcome is always the same.. (:>)

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:00 | 3054659 tongue.stan
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+1 for the dead can dance reference. ZH just kicked it up a notch in my estimation.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:43 | 3054624 samsara
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Atomizer,  Exactly,  Look at my post at top.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:41 | 3054435 WAMO556
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While you union fucks have been cutting each others throats, those of us who believe in FREEDOM have been honing our knives on Al Qaeda fucks necks. You union fucks sound a lot like them Al Qaeda dip shits we freedom lovers hate.

De Oppresso Liber

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:37 | 3055034 Colonial Intent
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I believe the Current ROI is 12,000 USD for every civilian killed, if you were talking combatants then it costs over 180,000 USD to kill one of them.

*Shipping costs may vary from state to state.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:47 | 3054453 WAMO556
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You UNION fucks want a civil war?

OK

Are you duly and truly prepared for war?

Worthy and well qualified to prepare for war?

And..

The necessary proficiency in WAR????

There are only a fewe of us who know of the horrors of war. Pray YOU never have to go to war. Because your women won't be safe. They (your women) and your children will be first to know the Destruction.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:55 | 3054471 Jack Burton
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WTF?  That sounds like an Al-Qaeda post from the Middle East.

America ain't having no civil war. Look around you man, does the American populace look like a crowd ready for civil war over a change to Union rules?

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:59 | 3054484 WAMO556
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I think that you UNION fucks were the reason that the YUGO factory got bombed back in the 90's. Put that competition out of business. We all know how you big UNION FAT CATS and BIG BUSINESS just LOVE competition.....

FUCK ALL OF YOU!!!!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:13 | 3054544 jomama
Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:08 | 3054520 ISEEIT
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I really do hate being foul.... BUT..THIS COMMIE MOTHERFUCKING KILLER PIECE OF LEFTIST SHIT NEEDS TO BE FORCE FED HIS OWN C##K. SERIOUSLY, HE IS PRECISELY THE SCUMBAG MAFIOSO, BLOODSUCKING DIRT BAG 1% ENABLING, BARACK OBAMA SUPPORTING LEACH ASS MOTHERFUCKER THAT HAS KILLED THIS NATION>

FAGGOTS (sorry, seriously no offense meant) LIKE THIS PIECE OF CRONY BULLSHIT COMMIE, DEATH CAMP HYPOCRITE WILL FILL HELL TO THE BRIM.

I only am so pissed because I despise evil and recognize it clearly and plainly.

Very literally this 'man' (not) will be responsible for such sickening and evil death and misery.

He is only one player and only a relatively minor one at that, but the evil is truly tangible. These beast are not wrong. They are executing a plan.

The shit they intend is far worse than normal people would ever contemplate.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:23 | 3054570 samsara
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Wow,  Just Wow...  Thanks for providing an example (of my post above) in the same comment section.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:10 | 3054530 AgShaman
AgShaman's picture

"betraying democracy"

.....hahaha

classic

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:20 | 3054560 orangegeek
orangegeek's picture

Well Hoffa could be right.

 

But if Hoffa and the handful of other treasonist union fuck trouble makers were erased (including that fat pig Moore), chances are there wouldn't be one. 

 

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:46 | 3054566 samsara
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On the one hand, You have the one image of Unions of outrageous behavior and extremely counter productive to getting things done, 

On the other hand you have images of 7,8,9..  year olds working in textile mills, and coal mines of the 1900 era, 

 

This issue I believe will be used as the new (pro/anti abortion - Gay/Straight - etc).  There is no right one side or other black or white answer to this.   That's why they played it up as memes as much as they could.

Divide and Conquer, keep'm fighting amongst themselves. 

The emotions will be whipped up 'till the egg whites peak'  so to speak.   Saying Union to some or Corporate Capitalist to another will be reacted to with the same visceral venom as saying I'm a Gay Pro-Abortion Rights Activist to a South Carolina born again Christian  would have gotten you in years past(?). 

These are important issues that need a national dialog to be sure, but I am talking about how it will be played up on FAUXCNBCCNN by their Presstitues.  

So it comes down to

"There's So Much Good in the Worst of Us,
and So Much Bad in the Best of Us,
It's Hard to Tell Which of Us,
Should Reform the Rest of Us."

 

 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:33 | 3055031 Colonial Intent
Colonial Intent's picture

Dissimulation Bitchezz!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:26 | 3054577 erkme73
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As an employee, you are in essence a single-person business that is selling his labor to his customer (employer).   The employee's goal is to obtain the maximum dollars for his product.  The employer on the other hand, seeks to get the best product (labor) for the least cost.

So far, that makes sense.   If you look at it from this perspective, then it's easy to see how the nature of collective bargaining is equivalent to collusion of suppliers.

For example - let's assume you want to buy a car at a local dealer.  They want $20k.  You do some searching, and you find the same car at a dealer a little out of the way, for $15k.   You thank your local dealer, and make your way to the distant dealer.  However, unknown to you, the local dealer telephones the distant dealer, and colludes to increase the price.  When you get there, the distant dealer is now also asking $20k.  The dealerships have agreed to split the profits of the sale so that both make the same amount.  You have no other options, and are forced to buy at the inflated price.

This scenario is ILLEGAL and, if caught, both dealers would face stiff fines.

Yet, this is EXACTLY what unions do to employers.    The collude with all available labor to set a fixed rate - leaving the customer (employer) with no competitive alternatives. 

What no one is able to explain to me is, why is this illegal for businesses, but not for their labor?  At the end of the day, labor is a cost, just as capital outlays for new equipment.   Imagine if the business needed a new forklift, but all the forklift manufacturers got together and set their prices to be the same?  Crazy illogical - yet we look the other way.

 

 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:27 | 3054578 disabledvet
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So when I think of myself being Robin Hood...and I often do...this is EXACTLY as i see myself were i to try that role: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZEcSgGKfQg. And I might say this is EXACTLY how I saw the President and the rest of these folks this week in Michigan. It is my personal opinion that this is in fact one of the funniest 5 minutes in television history. Here are some other parts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdi2n2i8Brc there really is no substitute for Chuck Jones. The MASTER.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:59 | 3054629 Atomizer
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At one point in time, you’ll figure out who to watch over in the future.  Let’s just look back in time, shall we?

Robert Kennedy's work hunting communists revealed a talent for such crusades. In 1957, Kennedy found a new target: corrupt trade unions--->> Jimmy Hoffa

Then a controlling interest takes out Robert Kennedy..

Robert Kennedy's assassination

Afterword, another controlling interest takes out Jimmy Hoffa. I can only prognosticate the future, the current governing families will not survive the very hatched plan they facilitated by arrangement. It’s a sick world, just learn it, survive!

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:53 | 3054768 W74
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The thing people need to realize about conspiracy throries is that 9 out of 10 of them are true, or at least based in truth.  The only reason such theories are theories as opposed to fact is because they're designed so that none of the pieces are presented at once or in any one place.  It's this denial, removal, misplacement or redirecting of information that makes them work.  It's what makes them conspiracies.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:46 | 3054630 yogibear
Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:01 | 3054674 TonyCoitus
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Free Twinkies for all!

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:35 | 3054728 Lord Of Finance
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I am so sick and tired of hearing when people talk of the economic crisis that "wall st. got greedy"  Yeah they did, but so did main street. Especially the unions. Their greed has caused jobs to be shipped overseas and companies to go bankrupt. The union meatheads are just that. A bunch of economically illerate cro-magnum neanderthalic bafoons. I have dealt with unions many times and they are a bunch of blockheaded dipshits who nead to be put in their place. Bring on the war. Lets see these monkeys do the only thing they now how to do, and that is ask for more outrages salaries and perks and then go ape when some ceo with a spine says to hell with you fuck ups.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:26 | 3054857 FreeMktFisherMN
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The underlying problem is that people don't recognize that 'force' is not authorized by the Constitution. Most people don't get that capitalism is all about voluntary interaction and contracting, and that force extends to the more hidden yet still ultimately at gunpoint force that is taxation. They think that they are exercising their American right when they get their 'I voted' sticker even if it was for a candidate who wants to use force to redistribute things and bully people at home or abroad. 

Voluntaryism means the only way to accumulate wealth is to serve your fellow man. And as for those who think death/inheritance taxes ought to be higher/let alone exist at all, that is a scary road to go down because one of the main incentives to go out and be productive in the first place is to accumulate wealth and be the breadwinner for the family, and then pass down an inheritance to the son. That was part of the incentive in the first place to go out and produce.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:39 | 3054737 Ookspay
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Unions; Assuring that everything costs more, takes longer and eventually get's outsourced.

Frank Zappa - Flakes (California's got the most)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4ksLRbsRs

We are millions and millions, were coming to get ya
Were protected by unions so don't let it upset you
Can’t escape the conclusion, it’s probably gods will that civilization will grind to a standstill
And we are the people who will make it all happen
While your children is sleepin’, your puppy is crappin’
You might call us flakes or something else you might coin us
but we know you're so greedy that you'll probably join us
Were coming to get ya, were coming to get ya
Were coming to get ya, were coming to get ya

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:46 | 3054754 Lord Of Finance
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These assholes are the losers and failures of society. These shit-for-brain dolts have got the Dems in the short bus, where they learned their ABC's, right with them. I am fed up. I just want to throw out my computer and t.v. and isolate myself from this insanity.

 

What we all witnessed in Greece and Spain is just a small taste of what is to come from these cro-magmun genetic deadend fuck ups.

 

 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:40 | 3054830 newengland
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The U.S. communist party disbanded when it said the Democrats had adopted its agenda.

Now, Repugnants do too.

Foward! Corporatism/communism tries to rule.

Problem: the USA has a different tradition in local communities.

The end is nigh...for statist freaks, and their foreign adventures, endless war by the cowardly  the freaks in DC and elsewhere.

They gutted the USA, and now they want to gut Africa and the East.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:49 | 3054759 magpie
magpie's picture

Always wondered if, when and how the Democrats would throw Unions under the bus

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:54 | 3054770 jmeyer
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Unions were great when there were 9 year old's working 18 hour days and Andy Carnegie shot and killed steel plant workers in Pittsburgh, BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED. MOVE ON dot the freakin' org.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:55 | 3054774 jmeyer
jmeyer's picture

J. Hoffa sleeps wit da fish

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:34 | 3054824 newengland
newengland's picture

Jimmy Hoffa????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sheesh, the money men are having a load of fun with this.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:36 | 3054828 WezTheJuic
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This was to be expected.  Take a look around.  How much has the people within the private sector been devalued?  Do you think that the unions are an exception?  When will you people realize, you are all in the same boat?  The people within the Union Organizations sold the people within the unions down the road years ago. 

Results are results.

 

This is just a piece to a larger puzzle. 

Should be interesting as the fallout goes into all of those teacher unions.  Especailly considering the amount of propaganda that they have been teaching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=5kxc6kzH-uI&NR=1

 

A reflection of your societal whole?  Not to worry, we all have that problem, could call that a generational thing.

 

Still, the net result.  It keeps people separated.

Pens,

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