Jimmy Hoffa Warns Of "Civil War" As Michigan Governor Signs "Right-To-Work" Into Law

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Minutes before Michigan Governor Snyder signed the 'Right-To-Work' bill into law...


... Teamsters head Jimmy Hoffa appeared on CNN, as seen in the clip below, warning that:

"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war,"

as the bill to weaken unions' power is passed. If Hoffa is right, look for Michigan GDP to soar: after all it is one of the more Keynesian states in the union.

Via AP: Michigan Gov. Snyder signs right-to-work bills

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has signed right-to-work legislation, dealing a devastating and once-unthinkable defeat to organized labor in a state that has been a cradle of the movement for generations.


He put his signatures on the bills Tuesday, hours after the state House passed the measures as the chants of thousands of angry pro-union protesters filled the Capitol.


Snyder says a failed ballot proposal to enshrine collective bargaining rights in the constitution triggered the discussion that led to the passage and signing of right-to-work.


During a news conference, he called the protests "an exercise in democracy."

Jim Hoffa, of the International brotherhood of Teamsters explains his perspective:


Via CNN:

Jimmy Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said Tuesday he expects Michigan unions and lawmakers to break out into "civil war" after the state legislature passed right-to-work bills that would weaken unions' power.


"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war," Hoffa said on CNN's "Newsroom."


The Republican-controlled state House passed two bills that had already been approved by the GOP-dominated state Senate. Gov. Rick Snyder, also a Republican, is poised to sign the bill, which would allow workers at union-represented employers to forgo paying dues.


As thousands of protestors gathered at the state capitol on Tuesday, Hoffa called the legislation a "tremendous mistake" and "a monumental decision to make" by outgoing lawmakers in a lame duck session.


"What they're doing is basically betraying democracy," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin. "If there's any question here, let's put it on the ballot and let the people of Michigan decide what's good for Michigan."


Proponents of the legislation say it gives workers more freedom, while opponents say a less robust union presence will negatively affect workers’ rights. Hoffa also argued that those who don't pay union dues will be considered "free riders,” as they’re getting the same benefits from union representation without the cost.


Hoffa pointed to Michigan's recovering auto industry, saying the Wolverine State has bounced back from the recession without being a "right to work" state.


"This is basically a step backward," he argued.

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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:33 | 3053625 Troll Magnet
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we need a taxpayers union in this country. unite and revolt against these thieving cocksuckers!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:22 | 3054091 margaris
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Also: a home-schooling union, don't let the government eat our childrens brains!


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:56 | 3054257 Flakmeister
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Be sure to load up on Genesis as one-size-fits-all science program....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:57 | 3054649 keesooi
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I love Genesis!

Peter Gabriel was the bomb in that band, saw them in the 70's, awesome show.  So why all these downvotes?

PS:  The one-size-fits-all schooling refers to the government kiddie prisons schools, I presume?


Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:06 | 3054673 F. Bastiat
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LOL, the greatest scientist of all time, Newton, was also a Christian theologian.

Furthermore, almost all of science as we know it originated in a quadrilateral with vertices at London, Paris, Vienna, and Berlin. Christendom, of course.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:54 | 3054769 Flakmeister
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And more than a few Jews in there as well...

And Newton was not classic Christian...

You do know the story of Laplace and Napoleon re: Mechanique Celeste?

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:17 | 3054887 Rogue Trooper
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FORWARD Flakmeister.

Really, what the fuck are you doing here, do you also believe in AGW Climate 'Science'.... Krugman 'Economics'... the GUBERMENT nows best, The Prez's 'Noble' peace prize... I could go on.

Adopt a 'Drone'... Dronie needs you more than 'Elmo'

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:30 | 3054895 Flakmeister
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I have been here longer than you and will likely be here long after you are gone...

Dealing with pissants like you has never been an issue....

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:09 | 3054915 Rogue Trooper
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Fair enough, then I am sure on many things we would agree on.  I'm of view that organised labour, in this context, is also part of the problem.  If, as you say, you have been a member since ZH's early days and intend to stay you will have read enough to be aware of all the issues so I apologize for ranting on the basis of one post.  I'll also be staying as long as this site is allowed to 'exist'.... it is the most single most useful source of information around and the posts are an added bonus, a great source of further information, debate, sarcasm and even entertainment.  Where though is Professor Hammy!

Good luck to ya, we are all gonna need it, wherever you are in the world.


Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:15 | 3055018 WarriorClass
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You can no longer obey the laws of the United States Government and the God of the Bible. ObamaCare forces you to pay for abortion, murder. If you believe in the Bible, you cannot pay taxes, period. Yeah, the liberals love to quote, "Give to Caesar..." but you do not owe your soul to Caesar, you owe it to God. Daniel refused even when threatened to be thrown in to the lion's den, and into the fire. The US Government will throw you in prison or kill you.

Do. Not. Pay. Taxes.


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:46 | 3053660 becky quick and...
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i live in wisconsin. trust me, it's over. NOBODY here cares about this other than

a) bussed in union thugs from other states

b) maybe 30-40% of the teachers, TOPS

c) maybe 50-60% of cops and firemen, TOPS

the entire rest of the state could give 2 shits about "union rights."

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:52 | 3053701 The Shootist
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Hoffa's blowing hot air. All "sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:36 | 3053847 The Gooch
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If my travels through the great state of Wisconsin and the "We stand with Scott Walker" signs EVERYWHERE are an indication, that is correct.

I used to do a lot of work with non-union mfg. in Michigan. I also did a fair amount with the "big 3" on shop floors. 

The difference in brainpower and ethic defines my recollection of experience with the two factions. 

The support structure (tooling/mfg) for the big 3 is mostly non-union and the same for energy/aerospace/defense.

I dont' recall the "non's" declaring they had to go "prepare" for break, ever.




Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:29 | 3054126 Freddie
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What is also sick is these scum stole the election for obama in the swing states.  I know red team blue team and I think the whole thing was a scam and Romney was there to take a dive.

Still WS and MI did not go for the dear Mullah.   The good news is the peopel of WS and MI are standing up to these organized criminals.   Their ilk destroyed Detroit and other Midwest cities.  Gary, IN plus others.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:30 | 3054133 Flakmeister
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Still living that fantasy?

Any competent pollster or analyst know what was going to happen in the swing states...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:22 | 3054361 Jerome Lester H...
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You've obviously never been to Gary, In!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:10 | 3054529 Freddie
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Well I have read Dante's Inferno.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:28 | 3054581 The Gooch
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On a clear day I can smell Gary, from the West.

I rode my motorcycle through Gary (proper) once.


Had to get off of I-94 because of a tornado.

Gary makes 7 mile look like Manhattan.

For future refernece, tornado > Gary.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:50 | 3054614 Flakmeister
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Ever been to the Indiana Dunes?

Nothing like watching a toxic creek drain into the lake with a nuke on one side and US Steel on the other....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:54 | 3054647 The Gooch
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Alas, "Common ground".

Don't forget the refineries.

"Swim advisory".



Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:06 | 3054668 Flakmeister
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"Breathe Advisory"

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:18 | 3054699 The Gooch
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I covered that earlier.


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:06 | 3053743 cornedmutton
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Police and Firemen are specifically excluded from this law.

(Not that I agree...just reporting facts, which you have failed to properly observe.)

P.S. Go jump off a bridge.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:56 | 3054256 10mm
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I got news for ya dick nuts.Cop's cannot strike and they are not union.What they are no diff than goons in military are saps in uniform who do not realize they are cannon fodder.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:25 | 3054712 Stoploss
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It's a black ball cap with two big ass WW's on the front.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 07:01 | 3055099 Lebensphilosoph
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Who depends on the police for safety and security? Honestly ...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:29 | 3053610 nope-1004
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Union fighting a civil war?  LOL.  Can just see it now, "OK guys, we're going to fight a war.  Now don't fight too hard, or get up too early.  And also, staging a protest in January or Feb is just too cold, so go watch NFL....."



Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:31 | 3053618 lolmao500
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Not to mention, most of them hate guns with a passion.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:53 | 3053920 CH1
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most of them hate guns with a passion.

I think you are confusing what they say with what they do. I've known lots of union members - they were NOT enemies of guns.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:24 | 3053788 Karlus
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Its like 8 guys sit around and watch one guy shoot? Good luck with that Teamsters. Wolverines!!!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:31 | 3054138 Freddie
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LOL!  Feed that fat little gangster shit Hoffa, wearing his leather jacket to hide his gut, to the Wolverines.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:30 | 3053818 Jerome Lester H...
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You miss the humor in the previous post and the one word reply from you just makes his point even more humorous. You can't even make a coherent rebuttal. That would take too much thought and effort. You are most likely one of the guys in your union crew that we, the public, see standing around while others work. You can't muster a thoughtful rebuttal but you are somehow going to muster up a civil war?

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:51 | 3054765 Anusocracy
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In a parallel universe, the Union Army was unionized and the South handily won the War of Southern Secession.

Like in the book, The Probability Broach, by L Neil Smith.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:58 | 3054780 akak
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Wow, haven't read a reference to that book in a LONG time!

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:20 | 3054803 Flakmeister
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I bet you got a little stiffy reading it....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:10 | 3053753 Stoploss
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In case Jimmy missed the memo:



That is all..

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:49 | 3053902 oldman
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I knew his dad, and never knew a more stand-up guy. If he is half the man his father was there will be a war, except for the fact that real people will come to Hoffa's side.

Jimmy Sr. was murdered because he was a stand-up leader and people would follow him anywhere. He was not murdered for any other reason than the threat that he and his union posed to the powerful fascistic forces---what you refer to as 'tptb'. All of this is a part of my personal history so naturally I become a little defensive in reading an ignorant opinion regarding the type of amerikan who no longer exists---except, HOPEFULLY, his son.

Respectfully                  om


BTW --- several years ago I heard a story from an ex-fed prison dude that Jimmy Hoffa was given a new identity and was being moved through the fed system, a few nights here--a few nights there until ready to relocate. I could never believe this, but hope that it is true----a lot of working people never had the opportunity to thank Jimmy Hoffa.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:38 | 3054163 Freddie
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He was murdered because he associated with organized crime which could be:

a. His union.

b. Mobsters who control his union

c. The Moe Green types who count the union money

d. The Democrat Party

e. Other politicians

f. Union lawyers

g. Pension plan managers who manage union money like The JP Morgue

h. All of the organized crime members listed above


The correct answer is H or ALL of the above.


BTW - stand up guys do not physically attack their opposition, pull knives and pull down tents on people.  These ***kers are thugs who rip off taxpayers and the rank and file.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:58 | 3054268 Ident 7777 economy
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.. speaking as one who would not return to his 'home state' with that union BS in place ... 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:53 | 3054233 Ookspay
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Sorry old man but your time has come and gone. You need to rethink who you pay allegiance and loyalty to. JH Sr was a corrupt thug who only cared about money by shaking down business and his "brothers". He was murdered, dismembered and fed to pigs, a practice that is used far too sparingly to deal with his ilk if you ask me.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:27 | 3054896 Rogue Trooper
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Thankfully some sense on the true fate of a workers hero, Mr Hoffa, from the Ministry of Truth.  Welldone Oldman the party is pleased.

/O'Brien (Ingsoc)

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:35 | 3054597 Dixie Rect
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Less than 11% of the workforce are in a union. Hell, more than 20% are unemployed or under employed. By sheer numbers, it's over for Jimmy and his thugs.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:46 | 3053669 ronaldawg
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Did you see the Union "THUGS" in the video - what a bunch of lard asses.  They are no threat whatsoever, blowhard crybabies all.

Just give me an Aluminum baseball BAT and the problem will be solved.

You want a war Mr. Hoffa - bring it.

Check the our taking swings at Steven Crowder.  Mr. Crowder does a wicked female impersonation and is Canadian.  I don't think he is really a scrapper since he swung at the guy at least five times and did not land a punch - like a girl.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:49 | 3053689 NotApplicable
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Baseball bat? You don't think they've got guns?


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:52 | 3053702 ronaldawg
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Union members are good liberals and don't believe in firearms - considering that the are deeply democratic.

The union members know the easiest way to get the cops out is start shooting - this won't go to firearms.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:02 | 3053729 CPL
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The quarterly statements of the very profitable trade of small arms and munitions manufacturing would like you to review that statement.  The largest adopters of small arms with the last four years have been anyone with a bit of common sense that at least having the training to hit the side of a barn and having something on hand to provide a modicum of resistance is needed.

Right now nobody is sure what to think anymore.  Union or not, the 100% failure rate is guarenteed for both the owners and the employees.


They are all getting paid in US dollars.  The best looking horse in the glue factory.  So whether anyone wants to be distracted from the real news of greenbacks flowing back into the US faster than ever before, hey...who cares.


Both parties have proven themselves to be dirt bags that mishandle or misspend everyone's resources, let them tear each other apart.  We'll sell tickets and make bets.  Screw'em, they are part of the side show circus now for the five minutes that people will care.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:12 | 3053756 centerline
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This is all part of the script.  This is in part how blame will be passed onto the people and the masses will tear each other apart.  So easy, a caveman could do it.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:30 | 3054583 CPL
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The dance is mind numbingly predictable.  You get a bunch of people like that running a temper, half the people interviewed for left and right broadcasts sound like they want to pick a fight.  It's a recipe for stupid.


Cameras everywhere

A Hoffa playing a fiddle

Factory owners playing a fiddle.

Guys with signs that look like they are for the most part part of an Italian gentleman's club.


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:48 | 3053889 Toxicosis
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You sir are an idiot!!!

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:35 | 3054726 knukles
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Every single union member in the Great State of Michigan whether auto or any other, makes an annual pilgrimage to hunt at some point during the year.
And they don't do so with spears, rocks and sling shots.
They're big time charley gun hunting people.
And don't start on about the city workers, for in the cities of MI, the Big Urban Cities, everybody owns a handgun for self defence.


(full disclosure; originally from Michigan)

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