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Jimmy Hoffa Warns Of "Civil War" As Michigan Governor Signs "Right-To-Work" Into Law

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Minutes before Michigan Governor Snyder signed the 'Right-To-Work' bill into law...


... Teamsters head Jimmy Hoffa appeared on CNN, as seen in the clip below, warning that:

"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war,"

as the bill to weaken unions' power is passed. If Hoffa is right, look for Michigan GDP to soar: after all it is one of the more Keynesian states in the union.

Via AP: Michigan Gov. Snyder signs right-to-work bills

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has signed right-to-work legislation, dealing a devastating and once-unthinkable defeat to organized labor in a state that has been a cradle of the movement for generations.


He put his signatures on the bills Tuesday, hours after the state House passed the measures as the chants of thousands of angry pro-union protesters filled the Capitol.


Snyder says a failed ballot proposal to enshrine collective bargaining rights in the constitution triggered the discussion that led to the passage and signing of right-to-work.


During a news conference, he called the protests "an exercise in democracy."

Jim Hoffa, of the International brotherhood of Teamsters explains his perspective:


Via CNN:

Jimmy Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said Tuesday he expects Michigan unions and lawmakers to break out into "civil war" after the state legislature passed right-to-work bills that would weaken unions' power.


"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war," Hoffa said on CNN's "Newsroom."


The Republican-controlled state House passed two bills that had already been approved by the GOP-dominated state Senate. Gov. Rick Snyder, also a Republican, is poised to sign the bill, which would allow workers at union-represented employers to forgo paying dues.


As thousands of protestors gathered at the state capitol on Tuesday, Hoffa called the legislation a "tremendous mistake" and "a monumental decision to make" by outgoing lawmakers in a lame duck session.


"What they're doing is basically betraying democracy," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin. "If there's any question here, let's put it on the ballot and let the people of Michigan decide what's good for Michigan."


Proponents of the legislation say it gives workers more freedom, while opponents say a less robust union presence will negatively affect workers’ rights. Hoffa also argued that those who don't pay union dues will be considered "free riders,” as they’re getting the same benefits from union representation without the cost.


Hoffa pointed to Michigan's recovering auto industry, saying the Wolverine State has bounced back from the recession without being a "right to work" state.


"This is basically a step backward," he argued.

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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:39 | 3054173 unrulian
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Americans calling Canadians pussies...ha


Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:39 | 3054907 Shell Game
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You, and many here, are missing the point.  It will not be about face to face confrontations. It is not about whether they have guns or not, or or morbidly obese or not.  When their pensions go UNPAID - and they will - these people will take down the grid.  It's vulnerable and they know it and they know how to do it. 

Fourth generational warfare, bitchez. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:58 | 3053714 Alexandre Stavisky
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Everyone has to drop the angles they're using to spike their income over its natural compensation threshold.  From the "exorbitant privilege" of a reserve currency to unnatural impediments against free market forces, individuals must obtain worthy skill(s) and accept the market clearing rate for their labour.

Bravo on Denninger who has the guts to pin down the ultimate determinant of economic misery and woe.  The provision of every fine thing to make the earth a paradise exists if energetic and honest men will but strive for it.  And condemn the intrigue, graft, and sneakery of obtaining daily bread outside the sweat of the brow.


And as a bonus, real money constrained by its scarcity in the earth's crust, but which strangely seems to be mined at a run rate which nearly approximates the natural increase in production of economic man.  Stop the monetary nonsense and transfer of wealth by great extent by adopting and preserving sound money.


Don't break the immutable laws.  Aim small, miss small.  Big errors in household finance means bankruptcy.  So also in nations.  Keynesian endpoint and money printing isn't missing small!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:28 | 3053809 Jacque Itch
Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:11 | 3054323 jballz
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Wow 95 to six. Sad to see the class warfare gambit is working so well.

Eat each other that will fix everything.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:14 | 3053539 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Going to have a civil war? That sounds like a terroristic threat to me.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:32 | 3053620 boogerbently
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Smells like Greece. No understanding of our financial position.

Let's just tax the rich, and eliminate Soc. Sec. LOL

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:36 | 3053645 Dick Fitz
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If only. The laws only apply to the little people.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:49 | 3053691 The Shootist
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Only right wingers. If Barrack Hussein Obama wants a private army, that's acceptable behavior.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:43 | 3053668 Everybodys All ...
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see something. say something.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 23:59 | 3054655 keesooi
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Drone worthy, I'd say.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:16 | 3053543 fonzannoon
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We found Jimmy Hoffa!!!!!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:17 | 3053553 ParkAveFlasher
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They must have dug him up when they built Xanadu in the weeds.  Explains a lot.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:17 | 3053554 The Gooch
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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:49 | 3053693 HellFish
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Sounds like this one needs to be buried too.  And soon.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:37 | 3054732 knukles
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But he was tungsten filled.....

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:19 | 3053545 otto skorzeny
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careful Jimmy-the Guv was smart enough not to include the police in this union bullshit(like Walker did in WI). got to protect the Praetorian Guard- and if you think these goon cops won't light up a crowd of protesters when ordered to then you're sadly mistaken. The cops will be the last gov.com workers to draw a paycheck when Uncle Sammy goes bust.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:26 | 3053596 westboundnup
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and then what will happen?  Of all the unionized public sectors, the police trouble me the most.  Many a major metropolitan police force will turn into para-military squads when the paychecks end.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:31 | 3053614 fonzannoon
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Ask Spain.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:26 | 3053798 Karlus
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Most of the cops up there are of the 280 lb lard ass Affirmative Action administrative types. Besides, a 9mm is not going to do you much good against Southern Long guns. Besides, my bet is the cops will be too busy trying to hide their uniforms to be much of a threat to anyone.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:44 | 3054196 unrulian
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how will good southern long guns do against IR drones?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:56 | 3054474 Nick Jihad
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If the Los Angeles riots of 92 are any guide, you are absolutely correct. The cops were nowhere to be seen.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:39 | 3054736 knukles
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By "Intelligent Design"... from above....


(Asshole wants to burn down his own home, that's his own business, attitude...)

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:16 | 3053550 ParkAveFlasher
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This is a victory for all transactions in which price is muddled by a mandated middleman.

May the houses of cards continue toppling.


Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:52 | 3053703 spastic_colon
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I suddenly have the urge to buy something from MI, except for a car.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:11 | 3053755 IrritableBowels
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How YOU doin?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:15 | 3054043 itstippy
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made me laugh

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 08:36 | 3055174 Taint Boil
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I was in the area and wanted to say hi.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 19:24 | 3057707 IrritableBowels
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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:13 | 3054034 Dave Thomas
Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:17 | 3053551 Squid Vicious
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Needs to buried in a land-fill somewhere just like his dad

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:18 | 3053556 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Trumka and the gang are going to stir some shit up, If the unions go people like him would actually have to prove they add some kind of value, which they dont.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:21 | 3053568 otto skorzeny
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again-you have to draw the distinction between public and private unions. the private unions have been dying for years(except the UAW bail-out babies) the public unions have been growing in strength beacuse of the lack of competition(unlike the private unions).

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:50 | 3053909 Jerome Lester H...
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The problem with public unions is that there is no representation for the taxpayers who pay the salaries of both the unions and the politicians that they negotiate with!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 22:13 | 3054336 Central Bankster
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Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:05 | 3053738 quasimodo
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I would like to see that fat lazy slob actually say something coherent, instead of talking like a blathering idiot having a twinkie fix.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:19 | 3053557 ApollyonDestroy
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He might as well be a nigger!

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:17 | 3053709 Dead Canary
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Troll alert!

The Governor is going to end up with a horses head in his bed.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:59 | 3053724 Bollixed
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Dude, where is your couth?


Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:09 | 3054785 Anusocracy
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Jesse Jackass was here, too.

I didn't go downtown, but apparently there were also out-of-state union thugs here.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:19 | 3053562 Quinvarius
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I completely diagree with Hoffa that his union should have a legal right to a percentage of people's paychecks. 

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:49 | 3053690 BurningFuld
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If Hoffa's Union guys are all so in favor of Unions what does he have to worry about anyway?

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:44 | 3053566 NidStyles
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What did I say in the other thread? Statists are violent, they only understand the use of force.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 21:35 | 3054150 margaris
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I agree... though they dont like open violence. They would not rob their neighbours by their own hand... but they would use government to do so...

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:21 | 3053569 lolmao500
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Or arrest him for inciting revolt.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:29 | 3053606 The Gooch
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Inciting revolt and inciting civil war are two very different animals. I think.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 20:14 | 3053760 centerline
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Probably not anymore.  Wonder who the first will be in the US to officially be "droned."

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 00:05 | 3054670 The Gooch
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As I stated yesterday, math was droned first.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:23 | 3053572 dick cheneys ghost
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Just another symptom of our dead monetary system. Lets remember to place the blame where it belongs......the Rothschilds and Rockefellers

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 19:25 | 3053592 Silverhog
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Don't forget Fuck wad Blankfein's.

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