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Jimmy Hoffa Warns Of "Civil War" As Michigan Governor Signs "Right-To-Work" Into Law

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Minutes before Michigan Governor Snyder signed the 'Right-To-Work' bill into law...


... Teamsters head Jimmy Hoffa appeared on CNN, as seen in the clip below, warning that:

"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war,"

as the bill to weaken unions' power is passed. If Hoffa is right, look for Michigan GDP to soar: after all it is one of the more Keynesian states in the union.

Via AP: Michigan Gov. Snyder signs right-to-work bills

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has signed right-to-work legislation, dealing a devastating and once-unthinkable defeat to organized labor in a state that has been a cradle of the movement for generations.


He put his signatures on the bills Tuesday, hours after the state House passed the measures as the chants of thousands of angry pro-union protesters filled the Capitol.


Snyder says a failed ballot proposal to enshrine collective bargaining rights in the constitution triggered the discussion that led to the passage and signing of right-to-work.


During a news conference, he called the protests "an exercise in democracy."

Jim Hoffa, of the International brotherhood of Teamsters explains his perspective:


Via CNN:

Jimmy Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said Tuesday he expects Michigan unions and lawmakers to break out into "civil war" after the state legislature passed right-to-work bills that would weaken unions' power.


"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war," Hoffa said on CNN's "Newsroom."


The Republican-controlled state House passed two bills that had already been approved by the GOP-dominated state Senate. Gov. Rick Snyder, also a Republican, is poised to sign the bill, which would allow workers at union-represented employers to forgo paying dues.


As thousands of protestors gathered at the state capitol on Tuesday, Hoffa called the legislation a "tremendous mistake" and "a monumental decision to make" by outgoing lawmakers in a lame duck session.


"What they're doing is basically betraying democracy," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin. "If there's any question here, let's put it on the ballot and let the people of Michigan decide what's good for Michigan."


Proponents of the legislation say it gives workers more freedom, while opponents say a less robust union presence will negatively affect workers’ rights. Hoffa also argued that those who don't pay union dues will be considered "free riders,” as they’re getting the same benefits from union representation without the cost.


Hoffa pointed to Michigan's recovering auto industry, saying the Wolverine State has bounced back from the recession without being a "right to work" state.


"This is basically a step backward," he argued.


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Wed, 12/12/2012 - 01:46 | 3054842 newengland
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Stay close to home. Buy local. The globalist agenda is bankrupt, and wants to make $ per day wage slaves of all. Their pets in politics assist them.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:12 | 3054879 ItsDanger
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"Betraying democracy"?  Good line.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:16 | 3054881 TheObsoleteMan
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Laugh all you want to, but unions aren't going away. They are merely transferring out of the private sector into the public sector. When are these dumb-asses going to learn: THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT COMING TO YOUR RESCUE.  Did Slick Willy help your cause when he supported NAFTA? Did the dems do anything at all to help you back when they had a majority? Is the Kenyan Wonder Boy doing anything now to help you? {ask the suckers that used to make Twinkies}. A unionized private sector workforce is not in their plans for "leveling the global playing field" among workers. This doesn't stop until one of two things happen: 1. Our workforce largely resembles India 2. A repeal of the "Free trade" treaties. I'd put my $ on looking like India.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:45 | 3054908 zilverreiger
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Mandatory membership and fees is one thing, but all in all the Unions do what they should do in these times of austerity, you guys are going to need them to not be wiped out by the elite gangster capitalists or you will be divided and conquered like was tried yesterday. Unions are the only serious political power people have in the USA. Good luck!



Wed, 12/12/2012 - 02:45 | 3054913 IQ 101
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JIMMY HOFFA ? Is it  just me or is the irony compelling ? Surely this Mr Hoffa is no relation to the well known Mr Hoffa who held the same position not so many years ago ?

Let us call him  'Junior".  For crying out loud ! he is the poster boy for nepotism entrenched in the unions and an unchangeable connection to organized crime.

Did young Jimmy rise to the top on his own steam ? If these Union guys had half a freaking brain they would certainly not propell this son to Union mouthpiece status. WTF are they thinking ? I have worked on a ton of Union /non-Union jobs and the deal is this, Uncle Larry worked in the Union since the war and he is a good friend of Vinnie down at the Union hall and the family fuck up needs a job so someone put's a word in Vinnies ear.Next week Family Fuckup gets out of the car at his new job and accidently shags his igloo lunch box then proceeds to the job where he is issued a piece of sandpaper, the operation of which will be the greater part of his career.

Familyfuckup is making $35 an hour with full bennies right out of the starting gate because it is a Fed,State,County or City job and true craftsmen of decades experience are making about the same on the non union end of the gig, with no bennies.

The Union guys have twice the man power for half the work and wander about like a monkey fucking a football,It would be an eye opener for those who ride the desks and cubicles,a sight to behold, if the truth be known,utter, in your face injustice against working people who do not know the secret handshake.

Prevailing Wage is a delightfull pair of words bandied about by the government and Union kind, Ask your self, Where does this wage Prevail ? For surely I will move there. Sadly it only prevails in the minds of those that happen to be in the club ! It rarely Prevails in the real competetive market place. I mean no disrespect to Jimmy Hoffa Snr or the concept of Unions (sounds good on paper as does communism). But crooks always jump into the mix, it is inevitable amongst humans.  I have heard that Jimmy Hoffa the 1st was a standup guy but I was a baby when that went down.

The Union thing as we knew it,is dying, what will replace it ?

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:07 | 3054928 newengland
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Crony capitalism in cahoots with central banksters. The new crap, the new feudalists.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:06 | 3054926 butchtrucks
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Fuck these workers and their unions. They should be grateful to have ANY job in these days of globalization.

What US workers fail to understand is they are now competing directly with workers in countries like China and India who are prepared to work for pennies an hour with no benefits - AND do a better job than the average American.

Workers in the US don't need unions - they just need to wise up to their new position in the world - and accept the lowly wages and conditions that go with that.


Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:22 | 3054930 newengland
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With all due respect: FUCK OFF, $ a day slave.

I can and will pay more for our Republic, and your $ a day slaves will conspire to kill you.

The concept of globalization is barely a decade old, and yet it is already ruined. 

See the burning  EUSSR and fearful Politburo in China for an example.

Go. The sooner you leave, the better for the Republic.

Everything I buy that is American made is much better than scant $hit from China.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:39 | 3054992 butchtrucks
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I'm calling bullshit.  I bet an audit of your home would reveal 95 % Made in China - prodced by the $-a-day wage slaves as you call them. 

Wake up and accept the fact the gravy-train days for workers in this country are finished.  Only when workers wake up to that reality will jobs start to come back to this country. 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:26 | 3054977 bunnyswanson
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 There is enough room on this planet for everyone to have a single family home, in an all american community.

I see where this is going.  Man's love for a woman and his desire to "give her the world" will always keep a man striving for more, a woman who never wants her loving children to suffer will always reach for better place.  Take that hope away and you will pay the consequences at the end of a rope.  The human species has made it this far with a drive to survive embedded in his DNA.  Comfort means living longer and better, being able to spend time with family.

American unions have been distorted into a business venture for who is elected.  Third generation workers are "not hungry" but compelling leadership which walks a moral high ground will inspire the masses to follow suite.  It's impossible to describe what I see unfolding without saying "mass murder" but shortening lifespans and taking away safety nets will be the end result of the plan in the making.  All because CEOs must have hundreds of millions of dollars in their bank account?  Collapse a nation because these men can't cough up tax dollars?  WTF is wrong with you people?  Have you lost your minds?

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:41 | 3054950 kurzdump
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Thomas Robert Malthus would be proud of you.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 03:54 | 3054961 alfbell
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Kill the bankers. Kill the attorneys. Kill the union leaders. Kill Congress. Kill the Supreme Court. Kill the AMA and APA. Kill the FDA. Kill big Pharma. Kill Big Agra. Kill the military-industrial complex. Kill all welfare recipients that don't have valid barriers and actually can fend for themselves.

There. I feel better now.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:17 | 3054971 TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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The quality of ZH has gone into the gutter since Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck started citing ZH articles on their shows.
After that, all the liberal trolls showed up and every other post is bankster this, croney capitalist that. Oh and don't forget the Zionist plots!
Notice how before the election there were so many posts trying to convince everyone that there was no difference between Bankster Romney and Bankster Obama and there was no point even voting?
You think that was a spontaneous movement or were you being played like a cheap plastic ukelele from an ABC Store in Waikiki?
Nowai! All ZH posters are Wall St insider big shots with profound secret knowledge of how all the markets work and are acutely aware of the Zionist Invisible Dynasty that controls the politicians and central banks but your Jedi mind powers make you immune to their Jew propaganda. derrrrp.


Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:21 | 3055020 Colonial Intent
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Not all ZH posters are rich, some of you want to be, and we like you to think you can still make it, we need volunteers like you to do our dirty work for selfish reward.

Thats what happens when Americans value money more than morals.

The sytem is designed to commoditize everything it touches.

Either get on board or get out of the way.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:26 | 3055068 newengland
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End the Fed.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:42 | 3054994 Dennis Mack Gyvner
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Bring on the bullets, Jimmy ! Most of your members are stoned or drunk and couldn't hit the side of a barn, once, with a 30 round clip !

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 05:57 | 3055047 YouHadMe
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The union battle continues...


posted to YouHadMe dot com

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:09 | 3055055 Manic by Proxy
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So, Jimmy Hoffa has been pulled from a Detroit landfill and has regained a youthful appearance by feeding on the young of Occupy parents, (he from Berkeley, web-based Arctic krill support network founder; she from NYU, heiress to the Tyco Toy and Personal Munitions Division of Ronco)
now is threatening civil war over loss of union power in the birthplace of big boss labor corruption, unaware that he remains a gargantuan douche wagon and a person devoid of self-respect and, by reports, lacking in any semblance of human genitalia taking his podium provided by Fuckyou Broadcasting Co and promoting his microcephallic view, urging abandonment of law and embracing thievery as the preferred paradigm of disenfranchised serfs who slouch, slack-jawed toward the Kenyan interloper promising prosperity without effort and a future without souls, launching drones American-ward to ensure liberty and hope, laughing with a now proud Michelle and offers solidarity with union bosses now threatened by smaller bank accounts, and other such travesties.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:25 | 3055062 deflator
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The, "Right to Work" law is unconstitutional as it is misleading in it's description. The law actually has nothing to do with employee's rights and everything to do with empowering employers with rights such as the right to fire without reason.

 It is unconstitutional for laws to be misleading in their description. "Right to Work" is misleading by every definition of misleading.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:21 | 3055064 Super Broccoli
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UNIONS WERE COMPUSORY ? ahahaha what a joke ! And i though the US where more liberal that us dumb europeans :-) In fact you guys are worst !

All you do is print money, export inflation and spend other countries gold reserves ! But now that the world found out the fall's going to be harsh for you. Get ready to go back to the far-west style standard of living !

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:38 | 3055073 newengland
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Central banks are grateful that Big Brother Fed bailed them out. 

You idiot.The EUSSR burns, and you will choke on your Brussel sprout.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:56 | 3055096 Colonial Intent
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The purpose of the treaty of rome was to prevent another major european war.

You're a yank so you wont know any history outside of continental USA but we had it pretty bad over here for a few hundred years with our royal masters using war as population control.

Eu was not created to make us all rich or happy and contented bunnies, EU made it 60 years w/out a major war, give em their banana.


Wed, 12/12/2012 - 14:35 | 3056644 Dan'l
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Hey, Dumb Ass, how do you know who knows anything about history? The US saved your asses in WWI and WWII or you would all be speaking German or Russian. The US has been paying for your defense since WWII, because the Commies in the USSR would have rolled over all of you and you'd be in a gulag or a glue factory. You should kiss the ass of every American you see, because we saved you Euro-Twats. Check out the tens of thousands of American graveyards all over Europe. I think we ought to dig up our heroes, bring them back home and let you ungrateful idiots go back to slaughtering each other. 

I've been to Europe many times and because I was on a vacation, I enjoyed myself. But to live there under that socialst, gun grabbing culture that hates a society based on merit and competition - no thanks. I'll take my chances striving to be on top in the USA and getting rewarded for it. 

After we dump you guys off of our defense budget, we need to focus on getting rid of our own leftwingers.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:31 | 3059961 Colonial Intent
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Russian mate, the russkis fought 75% of all german forces during the war, the uk and eventually the usa fought only 25% of german forces.

If it werent for the 'destroyer of worlds' we would have ended up speaking russian.

Also you kind of proved my point about why the EU was created.

To prevent another european war.

Please drop us from your defense bugdget, we could do without echelon and your nukes on our soil.



"society based on merit and competition"

You think thats what you have in the USA?

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:41 | 3055078 bunnyswanson
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Who are you talking to and where have you been?   Watch Max Keiser and get informed.  America was overthrown by the banking system a century ago.  Special interest groups and a small country in the ME make the decisions.  It's a dog and pony show after that. 

Creating animosity between us seems to be the goal.  Divide and conquer.  But in the end, we know it is the bankers.  We know we are at a point when it is either us and them, and so do they.  They just shifted the entire global middle class assets into their possession, monopolized industries and moved to cheap labor and tax-friendly lands, where the corruption is as deep as the polluted water ways.

Argumentative confrontation remarks like yours are uncalled for.  Nothing made this possible but collusion with a diabolical plan.  Now, what to do with the people?  House and feed them forever ?  I doubt it.  The poor will attack the middle class when the checks cease via home invasions and the cops won't answer the call because they are keeping the kids from telling the world we are under seige, Canada as well. Same characters, same banks, same fucking song and dance.

I hope you are a troll.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 06:35 | 3055065 newengland
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For the silly bint who said an audit of my home would read made in China,


My home is made in America.I live in New England,and buy things made in New England and America. I do not buy tatty crap, made elsewhere.

I would rather pay more for quality and the Republic than give in to despots and slave masters.

I do own an iphone, and it is a pity that Apple employs wage slaves in China, and CONgress and Whore Street want to make $ a day slaves of Americans.

NO. Not going to happen.


Jimmy Hoffa? Yer avin a laugh, aintcha? 6 feet under and still digging.

Fuck off, the Fed/Brit brat pack, and your failed globalist experiment, your EUSSR and slave states in the East and Africa.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 07:24 | 3055091 DollarDive
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Choice is good.  Unions have been siphoning money off of workers for years without providing any real value to employees or the companies.  If the union is so good, then people should want to support it.  Unions are an intrusion into a private business owner's affairs.  Governments are an intrusion into private citizen's affairs.  Less intrusions are better.  Get government out of our life - Get unions out of our businesses.  If businesses are constantly screwing the employees they always have the right to leave.  Unions just add another layer of cost onto everything and make "made in the USA" less competitive.  Jim "say goodbye", your fifteen minutes of fame has come to an end.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 07:11 | 3055103 Mitch Comestein
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"...passed by a handful of lamb-duck legislator...."  

Uh, you mean a majority or elected legislators and signed by a governor!  Sounds like a democracy Jimaaaaa!

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 07:23 | 3055107 Roandavid
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Because, as we all know, it's better for all of us when people are forced to join up. 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 08:34 | 3055167 maliciousmalefactor
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I support a workers right to choose...

"Even if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" Rush!

With right to work, at least you can decide, or not!

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 09:25 | 3055287 Sandy15
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It's amazing the hypocrisy DemoRATS have......  they support giving a woman the RIGHT to choose but they don't want to give workers the RIGHT to choose.  Jimmy gansta Hoffa, you're legalizing your mafia antics of 'give me money and my guys protect your business'.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 09:21 | 3055276 semperfi
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"civil war"

terrorist ?

unions have become so corrupted they are killing companies

its not the concept of the 'union' I disagree with - its what the typical union worker has turned into that I disagree with

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 09:21 | 3055278 Pumpkin
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It would seem that the criminals are turning on each other. 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 11:36 | 3055862 ejhickey
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civil war suggested by tea party members - bad

civil war suggested by democrat in michigan - good.



Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:17 | 3056029 Thulsa Doom
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I hope some other ZHer made this comparison already (too many comments to read through): Jimmy sounds like Baghdad Bob to me. "Michigan is doing great without right to work! We're the best in the country! What, you want to be like Texas? Texas has nothing on Mighigan! We've got high wages. It's paradise here!"

I found it hilarious. These leftists really do live in an alternate reality.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:41 | 3056136 Iambic PentaMaster
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"There will be blood." ~ Michigan State Representative Douglas Geiss (Democrat)

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 14:10 | 3056544 therearetoomany...
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He...drinks your milkshake....

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 12:50 | 3056167 Cranios
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I thought he was buried in someone's driveway?

The real civil war will happen when the government truly runs out of money (i.e, when they can no longer "borrow at will"). It will be interesting times.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 14:09 | 3056539 therearetoomany...
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Let us have at it, then.   Hmmm, Unions...12 percent of working population.   Non-Unions...the rest.   Wonder who will win.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 14:23 | 3056601 Dan'l
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The more I think about it, the more I think we need a civil war, if we are going to save the nation from this leftwing cabal. Maybe, I'm not supposed to say this.

Obama is now giving money to our enemies, Al Queda, in Syria. He called the terrorist, Major Hassan's massacre, where he shot 30+ people at Ft. Hood. Obama called this a, "work place incident". This terrorist was screaming, "Alahu Akbar", as he murdered soldiers on a US Army base. Obama is in bed with our enemies acrosss the ocean and with our own Constitution. His goal is to destroy, Private Property, the foundation of our freedom. Are we waiting for him to set up gulags, because this is always the way it ends, when radical leftists take over. Look at Cuba, Nicaragua, Russia, China etc. Obama wants to, "transform America". This is what they all say and soon he will identify the real enemy, old white guys, then just white guys, then whites and anyone else that supports these former slaveholders. 

If you don't believe it can happen here, look at history. Russain Revolutionaries were a tiny minority, and look what they did to the majority. Russian Communists and Chinese Communists killed well over 100 millino of their own people. If you don't think Bill Ayers, The Black Panthers, the, Mexicans who believe that all of the SW belongs to the, "Chicano People", the Puerto Rican bombers that were pardoned by Clinton in the late 1990's who blew up cops and other innocent people. The writing is on the wall. Let's give that Mafia frontman, Jimmy Hoffa's son what he wants. 

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 15:27 | 3056872 Constitution First
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Someone should remind Little Jimmy Jr. they STILL haven't found enough of his daddy's remains to positively indentify.


What comes around, goes around, M-F.

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 19:41 | 3057747 Translator
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I'd enjoy shooting some pro communist, pro mandick sucking scumfux

Wed, 12/12/2012 - 20:01 | 3057784 John Wilmot
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Liberalism (laissez faire) was gaining influence across Europe in the 19th century, then came the revolutions of 1848. The socialist mobs so frightened everyone that even the radical liberals started doubting the wisdom of dismantling the authoritarian State, the police power, the army...because it might have to be used against these deranged socialist fanatics, to prevent them from completely destroying civilization. I can understand this. I'm always wary of the police power, but if I were Governor in Michigan, I feel like, just this once, I'd be positively delighted to unleash the national guard on these fucking criminals.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 00:00 | 3058360 Aristarchus of Samos
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Jimmy Hoffa is cordially invited to join his father, in the theological place of eternal punishment.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 08:11 | 3058727 Translator
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I've got a bullet with the lying, socialist coward's name on it.



Bring it on shitbag!

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