Jimmy Hoffa Warns Of "Civil War" As Michigan Governor Signs "Right-To-Work" Into Law

Tyler Durden's picture

Minutes before Michigan Governor Snyder signed the 'Right-To-Work' bill into law...


... Teamsters head Jimmy Hoffa appeared on CNN, as seen in the clip below, warning that:

"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war,"

as the bill to weaken unions' power is passed. If Hoffa is right, look for Michigan GDP to soar: after all it is one of the more Keynesian states in the union.

Via AP: Michigan Gov. Snyder signs right-to-work bills

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has signed right-to-work legislation, dealing a devastating and once-unthinkable defeat to organized labor in a state that has been a cradle of the movement for generations.


He put his signatures on the bills Tuesday, hours after the state House passed the measures as the chants of thousands of angry pro-union protesters filled the Capitol.


Snyder says a failed ballot proposal to enshrine collective bargaining rights in the constitution triggered the discussion that led to the passage and signing of right-to-work.


During a news conference, he called the protests "an exercise in democracy."

Jim Hoffa, of the International brotherhood of Teamsters explains his perspective:


Via CNN:

Jimmy Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said Tuesday he expects Michigan unions and lawmakers to break out into "civil war" after the state legislature passed right-to-work bills that would weaken unions' power.


"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war," Hoffa said on CNN's "Newsroom."


The Republican-controlled state House passed two bills that had already been approved by the GOP-dominated state Senate. Gov. Rick Snyder, also a Republican, is poised to sign the bill, which would allow workers at union-represented employers to forgo paying dues.


As thousands of protestors gathered at the state capitol on Tuesday, Hoffa called the legislation a "tremendous mistake" and "a monumental decision to make" by outgoing lawmakers in a lame duck session.


"What they're doing is basically betraying democracy," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin. "If there's any question here, let's put it on the ballot and let the people of Michigan decide what's good for Michigan."


Proponents of the legislation say it gives workers more freedom, while opponents say a less robust union presence will negatively affect workers’ rights. Hoffa also argued that those who don't pay union dues will be considered "free riders,” as they’re getting the same benefits from union representation without the cost.


Hoffa pointed to Michigan's recovering auto industry, saying the Wolverine State has bounced back from the recession without being a "right to work" state.


"This is basically a step backward," he argued.

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fukidontknow's picture

Jimmy Hoffa American show stopper

squexx's picture

The first union they need to destroy is the Teamsters! Fuck unions and all the lazy, worthless slugs that belong to them!



lakecity55's picture

If Ted Nugent had said that, the TSA Nazis would be beating him senseless with rubber hoses right now while O'Twinkie watched from a one-way mirror and pleasured himself.

Oldwood's picture

Pro freedom! Give people the right to choose if they want to belong to a union. A union that can't stand on its own merits isn't worth having.

CaptainObvious's picture

This is precisely why Hoffa is threatening "civil war".  He knows damn well that when a state goes right-to-work, union membership drops off a cliff.  The unions aren't worth saving because we have labor laws now, laws that didn't exist back when labor unions were whelped.  Nobody needs a labor union any more, so Hoffa and his ilk are attempting to ram unions down the collective throats of the USSA by force.  Power, once obtained, is difficult to surrender.  Power that leads to personal riches?  Impossible to surrender.  Hoffa is only fighting for union dominance because that way lies his own fortune.  He certainly doesn't give a rat's ass about the people he purports to represent.

Bawneee Fwank's picture

I beg you jimmy, I fucking beg you to bring it...you and your parasitic fucking ilk.

jplotinus's picture

The unmentioned confounding variable here is that most unions, and certainly the UAW, Teamsters, AFSCMU, and the Teachers unions have all failed miserably over at least the course of the 2k millennium, and counting.

The greater part of involvement during said time period has been that of fronting for management, nothing more.

The counter intuitive issue is that workers may resort to new, more effective means of preserving jobs and increasing pay/benees without the traditional, bought and paid for (by management and Democricans) unions.

An attack on unions needs to and just might backfire on those who are interested in stifling collective bargaining.

There are silver lining prospects here, bitchez


There, that oughta get me some much appreciated downs from the capitalists around here!!


WhiteNight123129's picture

I will make everyone agree, send the angry workers at Goldman Sachs and at the Fed. Their anger and willingness to pummel someone would be of good use!


Remember that the best union breakers were disenfranchised workers who did not have protection in Germany and Italy (the brown shirts). They were very frustrated so they were sent to beat other lower class people. The people at the top just rejoiced seeing the disenfranchized poor people beating the pulp of other lower class people who were in unions. No need for unions, just force the business owners to pay in honest money so people can save.

WHo is your enemy?

loveyajimbo's picture

Notice how the polyps on the colon of society are the ones so anxious to riot when their hand-outs, gained through naked corruption, are removed by the people who are going broke on the backs of them?? Unions, blacks, illegals... any group that voted over 95% for the historic failure, liar and coward Obunga should be outlawed.

lakecity55's picture

+1, for your icon AND comment!

FinalCollapse's picture

One Hoffa is already at the bottom of the Lake Tahoe and getting lonely there. Jimmy may be the next one.

JuicedGamma's picture

They're still fighting the last war.  They lost that one when we lost all our manufacturing due to high wages (unions) and regulations (Washington).  There's nothing left to have a civil war over except trying to keep his high profile (think big $) job that he got THANKS TO DADDY!!!!!

Freddie's picture

I talked to longtime South Carolinian.  I mmentioned Patty Murray, Bronco, unions in WA state and Boeing.  He said if they had tried to force Boeing to not move some production to SC - there would be civil war 2.

azzhatter's picture

fuck you hoffa, go back to blowing bob king

yellowsub's picture

Having a choice isn't democratic.

WhiteNight123129's picture

The idea that Unions are always negative and counter productive is wrong. Look at Germany and AG Metals and what they did in 2003, you need responsible unions who are asking for constructive things like skill training. The German workers have a system where the Gov does complement the hours of part time worker during economic downturns so that the highly skilled workers of Germany[s heavy machinery industry do not lose their skills, while the Industry can flexibilize its labor cost during downturns, as soon as the upturn comes back, the hours are ramped up and hte gov cuts the benefits. If you leave a highly specialized and skilled industrial worker out of a job for long he loses his skills...

I do not know much about Teamsters but I think Germany is an example as far as how unions can promote quite positive interaction with the industrialists.

booboo's picture

"If you leave a highly specialized and skilled industrial worker out of a job for long he loses his skills".......and this has what to do with Detroit auto drunks

lakecity55's picture

If unions are so great, why did GM go under?

And, why did O'Twinkie STEAL the bondholders' monies?

Why is the US Taxpayer subsidizing these short-bus cretins?

All those union dues are just a big slush fund for the socialist democratic party.

AND, NOBODy is killing the union. You just don't have to be Corleoned into joining one.

LadyEconomist's picture

The best example of 'positive union' was Polish Solidarity Movement with Lech Walensa as their leader in the 1980s. But, ups, they were fighting commies, so their existance is swept under the carpet right now.

Flakmeister's picture

WN, you are wasting your breath with asshats that crawl out for these threads... They are intellectually stunted and ideologically deprived.... 

Jerome Lester Horwitz's picture

I can tell you from experience that it does not take a whole lot of skill to drive a semi truck. Blindsiding in a sleeper tractor, now that does take some skill. Most Teamsters drive day cabs though and any fool should be able to blind side or sight side in one of those!

Freddie's picture

Germans have their long established apprentice system.  Most of their union workers are skilled and are not that much like these fat drunken thugs in the U.S.. 

Line workers at BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Audi et al want to build a quality product.  UAW workers want to stick it to management, buy a boat, get stoned and drunk on their lunch break at the bar or Quickie Mart. 

German students taught by German teachers can read unlike 93% of 8th graders in Detroit.

caimen garou's picture

civil war? come now hoffa, them sounds like terrorist words! right big brother?

Atomizer's picture

Hello Jimmy P. Hoffa,

Do you remember what happened to your father? Funny how a man like yourself can call upon the same failed errors. Its your call, not mine...



Yen Cross's picture

All Hoffa wants for Christmas is a pair of cement boots...

WillyGroper's picture

Definitely asked for them, mouthing off as he did. He'll probably get them too.

Undecided's picture

hahahaha You guys are all suckers they got you fighting one against each other, exactly where they want you.  Union bad, right to work good.  Meanwhile they will take all the rewards.  Keep on fight each other they don't give a fuck!  Lower wages more work, just so you can have a job lol.  God to half of the people hear them selves.  They threaten to close down companies because people demand livable pay, or you get to work for peanuts. 

Keep on driving the people appart as the rich pack up to other Countries.  Fools!

Oh wait that cute little Monkey Named Darwine awwww..

Uncle Remus's picture

So that's what "going full retard" looks like?


booboo's picture

If being stuffed in a gunny sack that did not have the union label was good enough for the old man it will have to be good enough for the loud mouth fat bastard son of his.


IridiumRebel's picture

You wouldn't need weapons, just make those fat assess get their heart rates up a touch and they'll die from a heart attack. No civil war needed.

ZFiNX's picture

The fact that Obama has not mentioned this conflagration gives me insight into his motives.

WillyGroper's picture

Why the hell should he. Left/Right, it's all the same.

Mediocritas's picture

More of the propaganda about needing to weaken workers unions. They won't rest until we're all 100% divided and easiest to conquer. Let's ignore the media whores and bleating apologists and look at a simple fact:


As you can see, unions have already been in terminal decline. There's clearly no need for more red tape coming from DC which then raises the question, what are they really trying to achieve?

There's one union that's actually a major threat within the USA and that's the bankster union represented by teamster boss Ben Bernanke. I see no effort to curtail the power of THAT union.

Piranhanoia's picture

Michigan has become a right to work state. They really accomplished something important.  They figured out how to lower wages in their state when wages were already in the tank.  They got what they were paid for by the foreign corporations that will lower their revenue base even more,  while demanding tax breaks to hire minimum wage workers for skilled positions.  Everything is working out like it should in a neocon dream.

VisualCSharp's picture

U mad, bro?

Red vs blue, right vs left.....it's the same team, dude. Grow up.

Jerome Lester Horwitz's picture

So who's wages were lowered? Here's how you prevent your wages from going lower....Show up to work every day, early, ready to work. Don't be late, don't call in sick unless you really are. Be better than your fellow employee, work harder, learn, pay attention to those who will take the time to teach you new skills, stay late if you need to finish something, don't whine, do not seek to be compensated for staying 5-10 minutes late, always view yourself as a team member (even if no one else that you work with does), do not go to work under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Do not expect your coworkers to do work assigned to you. If your employer does not appreciate you giving extra effort then find one that does or start your own business. I can tell you as someone who has been both employee and employer that you will be noticed by a wise business owner if you do the above.

Rearranging Deckchairs's picture

These Unions are so self serving. They never make reasonable concessions of existing and legacy workers and always throw the new hires under the bus. Maybe if they hadn't they would have more support.


At one point when we had actual sweatshops Unions were necessary. Nowadays they are just a nother corrupt actor acting in their short term immediate self-interest at the expense of long term prosperity for the many.


Mediocritas's picture

I know where you're coming from in principle but here's some food for thought: 


I'm not saying that correlation is causation but it is interesting.

Rearranging Deckchairs's picture

Well the unions should have gone full on to support Ross Perot instead of the neoliberal Clinton. If we had fair trade instead of free trade that chart might be a lot flatter.


Its hard not to feel the way I do when my state California has been bankrupted by the public employees unions.  There is fair and then there is raping the taxpayer.


I had to work hard and study a lot to get an education and my situation still sucks. Why should these dope smoking and drinking on their lunch break high school drop outs get paid such high wages and benefits? 

Seasmoke's picture

What did those who hated both the North and the South do ?......

Jugdish's picture

O ya. Those people. Those people get screwed by wihichever collective group of assholes win. Raised a good point. +1

no cnbc cretin's picture

Stupid Repugs. The Right-To-Work law is a union busting tatcic. Shame on them, the Repugs I mean.

PS - this hurts everyone in the US. And only benefits Wallstreet crooks!



VisualCSharp's picture

How does this hurt me, exactly? Care to elaborate, or are you just going to continue spewing mindless tripe?

Red vs blue, left vs right.... they're the same team.

CaptainObvious's picture

Oh really?  Tell me, which piece of electronic equipment in your home was built by union employees?  I'll save you the enormous effort of checking by just giving you the answer...none of them were.  Those jobs fled overseas a long time ago because it was discovered that various non-white, non-union employees would happily do the same low-skill job for a hell of a lot less, and without a health plan even.  The unions chased those jobs away by being too demanding and grabby.  Unions hurt jobs in the US.  The Wall Street crooks benefit no matter who builds the iGadget because they engineer things that way.  Pull your head out of your ass, man.

WAMO556's picture

Prove it... Other then the BS rhetoric that you are spewing.

no cnbc cretin's picture

Stupid Repugs. The Right-To-Work law is a union busting tatcic. Shame on them, the Repugs I mean.

PS - this hurts everyone in the US. And only benefits Wallstreet crooks!



notadouche's picture

How does not forcing an employee to join a union bust the union.  No one is preventing a person from joining the union that I'm aware of and if it is advantageous for the individual to join the union and the union is a great organization I would think it would have zero affect on their membership.  Me thinks you doth protest too much.  Of course if the union sucks then like any uneffective enterprise it will go down the tubes and rightfully so.  

VisualCSharp's picture

He's just lying to himself. He's telling himself what he needs to hear to calm his fears. He's not operating on a rational level but rather an emotional one. It's not worth arguing logically with animals like him.