One Small Voice

Tyler Durden's picture

Via Mark J. Grant, author of Out of the Box,

"I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious."
                  -Thomas Jefferson
The drums roll. The cadence quickens. We are a scant three weeks away from the fiscal cliff. The markets react to each breath taken by people on both sides of the aisle. Rumor fuels rumor and the media is abuzz with the testosterone levels of each key player. Swords and shields are brandished with equal repartee and, to date, we are nowhere close to any resolution. “Tax the rich,” the mantra of the moment of the Democrats, is but a trill sung for the townsfolk as the differential here is one week’s worth of government. One week, maybe eight days, and this has been the focal point of public concentration. I have seen no serious proposal to date to deal with the real issues and not the fantasy enlarged for public consumption by a Democratic leadership still engaged in running for re-election. The Republicans have been somewhat better, not a lot better it must be said with honesty, but at least there have been proposals that are directed at reducing the entitlements that the country cannot and I say again CANNOT afford.
"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions. If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, everything, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress. ... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America."
                            -James Madison
I prefer simplicity to complexity. You may wave the flag as you wish but the bottom-line, basic truth is that we have passed social programs and welfare plans that can no longer be paid for by the people who are paying. The capacity has been exceeded and the spending must stop. America now has 47.5 million Americans on food stamps which is 14.4% of the people in this country. This, in my mind, is a travesty because I just do not believe that this many people in America are entitled to this hand-out and these kinds of programs should be examined and curtailed which is not something underway or considered at all by the present administration. The United States is not Europe and the socialization of this country must end before the price to be paid by this generation and future generations sinks the country into a quicksand from which no extraction is possible. The Fed prints, the Fed buys back bonds, probably some $90 billion a month by the end of the day, and that which is created from thin air is all that supports the nation’s economy and the markets now as the sleight of hand is effective for a time but not for all time and woe to those citizens that discover what happens when the time runs out.
“Freedom is lost gradually from an uninterested, uninformed, and uninvolved people.”
                 -Thomas Jefferson
As an American, as one person with a small semblance of a public voice, I find it depressing to watch our nation’s leaders squander their time and my money and yours. We have somehow lost not just any leadership in our country but we have lost our common sense. The way ahead is not that complicated either as some would propose. The process is begun with the amount of money that the country can afford and still pay our bills. Then you take the military spending, the cost of running the government and you arrive at a figure that is agreed upon as what the country can pay and you divvy it out to the various social programs and a conclusion is reached that is within the boundary of a self-sufficient and a self-sustaining America. To date I have seen no discussion, nothing resembling what takes place in every household in America, where the income is paired up with the bills and what can be afforded is a known and agreed upon figure. On the left side of the sheet of paper is the income of the nation and on the right side is the bills we absolutely must pay and what is left is all that we have and that is it.
"But with respect to future debt; would it not be wise and just for that nation to declare in the constitution they are forming that neither the legislature, nor the nation itself can validly contract more debt, than they may pay within their own age, or within the term of 19 years."
                    -Thomas Jefferson
I say to both the Democrats and to the Republicans; where is this number? Bring the American people this figure and then we can work backwards from there to fill in the blanks.  We only have what we have and the creation of money and then the handing out of it to people that could be functional but are not either as their own poor choice or the choice of those in Washington D.C. to use social programs as bribes for votes must stop. Elections have come and gone and now is the time, now must be the time, to bring common sense back to our President and back to our Congress as I remind everyone in Washington that one plus one still equals two and that the bastardization of that principle is no longer acceptable. It is just me, it is just my own small voice in a large wilderness but I will stand and say, “Bring the American people the number and then let’s get down to work before you destroy the very fabric of our country.”
“There is not a more important and fundamental principle in legislation, than that the ways and means ought always to face the public engagements; that our appropriations should ever go hand in hand with our promises. To say that the United States should be answerable for twenty-five millions of dollars without knowing whether the ways and means can be provided, and without knowing whether those who are to succeed us will think with us on the subject, would be rash and unjustifiable. Sir, in my opinion, it would be hazarding the public faith in a manner contrary to every idea of prudence.”
                                  -James Madison

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Dr. Richard Head's picture

There is no number because the politicians don't know the exact number it takes to buy off the population to stay in office.  Shit in one hand.

TruthInSunshine's picture

"2 + 2 = 5"

Radiohead, Hail to the Thief

"Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows."

--George Orwell

smlbizman's picture

man you guys are crazy...dow up 100+....made a gazillion on the aig deal..what more do you want?'s picture

It's not what we want but what we don't want.

michiganmaven's picture

How did we make a "gazillion" on AIG.. we loanded them money that has added to our deficit... so the "profits" we have will be lost very quickly on those interest payments...

Woodyg's picture

There's the ones that should pay the bills -

the same damn ones who are profiting off the numerous Free Trade Deals that stole our Job base.

And the ones that profited off the bailout of aig -

In Fact - I'b be willing to bet that easiest way to find the criminals are by looking at the Private Entites that profited.

smlbizman's picture

i refuse to use the sarc guys and gals should be able to recognize it by now....come on man...

Woodyg's picture

I recognized it and was agreeing w you - which you should get also -

Heres a few historical photos how this has played out in the past

smlbizman's picture

i think in fight club, rule # 8 is ."no sarc tag needed", ......right after rule # 7..."no grammer nazis"...

woody their must be something wrong with my lap top....all the pics are upside down....

trav777's picture

what is this author smoking?  None of any of that matters, those old DEAD WHITE MEN...anything that is majority or all-white is ILLEGITIMATE by definition these days.

HISTORY is therefore illegitimate.  It will be scrubbed and sanitized away like 1984; watch- they're already doing it.

And nobody cares about income and expenses; that's for people who run out of credit.  For as long as they've been alive, there's been a handout/bailout or something from uncle sugar.  Just press out another kid and raise your monthly check.  Get your sister or mom as 'childcare' and suck that credit up too.  It's been a scam a day since the 1960s.

The 60s were the takeover of what you THINK of and REMEMBER as "America."  That country was conquered in the 1960s and it no longer exists.  The powers in charge now are going to expunge that nation's past from the history books and are still fundamentally transforming it into something totally different.  There are some clueless holdouts who still haven't figured out that they lost the war.

Look at the demoncrat party in Congress...they brag about how female, minority, gay, etc., they are.  That coalition, aided by idiot yankees and their ilk, formed a coalition and seized power.  They have used 40 years of immigration policy to just solidify their grip.  There is no "opposition" party...could you even imagine the conservatism of the 1950s now?  They'd call you a nazi.  ANYONE who appeals to that bygone era is sneered at by these people as an obsolete bigot.  Nevermind that the founders compared to a 50s conservative are so far right they look like Atilla the Hun

fonzannoon's picture

Trav you have been gone for a while. This author sends this garbage out once a day. He goes for the title to get you to start reading and then it's a bunch of quotes. He offers no insight into anything and just like to hear himself speak. 

LouisDega's picture

What author? The heading does not say guest post. I assume its an in house post

redpill's picture

"Via Mark J. Grant, author of Out of the Box"

fonzannoon's picture

Thanks redpill

Anytime you see a dramatic title followed by someone who sounds like they are twirling their cigar in their scotch while lecturing their nephew and then cutting and pasting quote after quote you know who you are reading.

NotApplicable's picture

A man who obviously needs to get much farther out of the box. I don't even think he's got the flaps open.

Is it really that hard to identify criminal elements these days?

LouisDega's picture

Mark Grant. Hmmmmm, I see

BlueCollaredOne's picture

Is this the guy that always tries to remind us that his book is now 20% off at amazon.  Or am I thinking of Of Two Minds.

 I can't keep my damn guest posters straight, but at least it is Simon Black.  He's probably negotiating a gold for land deal with malaysia as I type this.

redpill's picture

I think you're thinking of Charles Hugh Smith.  Or maybe the guy that rehashes The Fourth Turning every other month.  Some of them get a bit repetitive/plodding to be sure.

BlueCollaredOne's picture

Ah yes, he's the one.  They sure do, but they mean well.  

Getting Old Sucks's picture

Yup, and going back is the only way forward.  Too bad it'll take a decade or two of pain and suffering before that happens.  Unfortunately, it will probably be just another 100 year cycle that brings our great great grandchildren back full circle because the same people who ruled the world for the last thousand years will rule the world for the next thousand years.

Joe Davola's picture

You forgot the part about them owning SLAVES!!!

thedrickster's picture

Right on Trav.

I discovered this five or so years ago when attempting to have a discussion with seemingly reasonable, well informed people. The retort was stunning, "who cares what Jefferson said/thought, he owned slaves".

The genius of those old white men has been squandered, 51% rules with a predictable result.

trav777's picture

interestingly, most other groups' history CANNOT be deprecated, despite that they all owned slaves too.  Witness Israel.  They are by conventional wisdom "entitled" as original possessors of the land they squat on presently.

This is DESPITE the history of genocide and slavery that litters their history work (Old Testament) and the fact that they only came into possession of the Holy Land by admitted conquest and slaughter!  They will not tolerate having their history altered nor questioned.  Likewise, you cannot question the "wisdom" of natives of any land, despite their record of sacrificing 10s of 1000s of people in one event to some God-who-does-natural-events.  LORD HELP YOU if YOU should appeal to some kind of deity's moral authority on any question.  But it's ok for other cultures to appeal to rain gods and wind gods when they actually sacrifice humans in brutal fashion.  If you reject this premise, you are a bigot.  YOU are the one with the problem.

Yes, I know the Aztecs owned slaves, but that's ok, because they're nonwhite.  The Zulus did the same things as the Aztecs, minus the early bronze age technology.  Basically, everyone did.

The people who constructed every facet of what we call civilization DAILY permit their own history to be crapped on; they have acceded to their own destruction.  He who controls the past controls the future.

Even on this very site, we see nationalists referred to as "nazis" simply because they "bigotedly" refer to THEIR OWN country as THEIR OWN country and desire to keep it as such, but this is ONLY the case when the country contains a white majority.  If it contains a colored or zionist majority, you CANNOT question its right to remain ethnically pure at any cost or else you are a nazi who wants to kill 6 million.

Woodyg's picture

Trillions for the banksters that are .001%

And a few hundred billion yearly to keep 50 million from starving at 150 per month but its the SNAP participant that won?

forexskin's picture

a few hundred billion a year to buy votes and keep the cracker fest going for the .001%. bread and circus fool - get your head out of your lap.

Ghordius's picture

trav, what you are describing is in reality a global cultural war

and one of it's battlefields is marriage, or, better, divorce (and it's siren call)

we are fighting the same here in europe, btw, with slightly different results

the problem you guys have is that your conservatives are quite at loss about how to respond, and way too fragmented in easily defeated parcels

ronaldawg's picture

Marriage is the big social battlefield?

I could care less if gay people want to lose everything in divorce (like I have TWO times). 

So what is the real battlefield?  Abortion?  Contraception?  Seems silly in the grand scheme of things....

Ghordius's picture

your themes are a perfect example for what I mean: why do US conservatives care so much if gays marry or not and meanwhile don't realize that the institution of marriage - or better family - is crumbling?

you had two divorces - how much did this cost? both in monetary and human terms? how much do you have to run more in the threadmill because of that?

trav777's picture

Fighting?? LOL. You invited them in!!

WTF did you think was the cause of africa being africa and central america being central america?  Miasmas?  Did you really think they were going to become tanned versions of you?

Ghordius's picture

I'm not talking about race, I'm talking of the effects of exchanging a conservative regime with a liberal one in society

you see? obsessed with part of the issue

lol - our (and your) missionaries thought that they could become tanned versions of us - I know a few examples that did indeed

too broad you brush, methinks. Just one example: Mexicans

Seer's picture

"It's been a scam a day since the 1960s."

Hidden bias?

And I thought that you understood that the REAL underlying cause/current was due to perpetual growth on a finite planet.

You're a poor white boy.  Get used to it.  Join the overwhelming majority of humans who are poor.  Or, you can continue your not-so-subtle attacks on anyone who isn't white (via your viewing it all as an attack on whitey).

There's always a better time period.  Go back to the 50s and there sure as hell will be lots said about how things were better in previous days.  Keep rolling it back...  Those who aren't wearing blinders will realize that when there is "plenty" there is a smaller chorus of "the good old days."  The "better days" were ALWAYS about over-stimulated growth and bubbles.  The "bad days" are ALWAYS about the consequences of those "better days;" so, yes, in a way you're correct about the 60s, but due to your incessant xenophobia you miss the target.

But yeah, YOUR problems are due to hippies and colored people, who, we "know," are ALL on the dole...  Now then, let's all kick these deadbeats off our backs and get on with cranking up growth so that we can finish what we started...

forexskin's picture

all in all, a nice rhetorical device, like zeno's paradox, to "prove" that there is no such thing as a declining arc in this civilization. romans also took solace in that particular conceit.  furthermore its always been a problem of infinite growth on a finite planet. remember malthus?

don't ever mention the reason for the necessity of perceiving infinite growth - which is to pay the interest on money created out of thin air by the bankster parasites and other assorted non - productive elements. which is to say, being unproductive is forgivable if you're not white or stratospherically rich.

carry on... with fooling yourself about how liberal kindness keeps the blinders on for all the happy slaves. you've got plenty of examples in the 20th century on how that worked out.

enjoy another down red.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

Ummmmmm.....Congress doesn't work for "We the People" and never really did. It was just easier back when the good times rolled for us to delude ourselves into thinking otherwise.

Time to wake up Neo.

BlueCollaredOne's picture

I agree and disagree.  

In founding times being a legislator was a civil service, not a career.  If I remember my public school education correctly, most congressmen had other means of income.  They served their term, and went on with life.  

Somewhere between then and now psychopaths realized that they can make a career out of imposing their will on the public while placing themselves on a pedestal for all to see with a title of congressmen that used to mean so much more than it does now. If the founding fathers could take a look at modern politicians, bankers, and the lawyers that have helped them pollute the system that they created, i feel they would be planning another revolution.   

I could be terribly naive, but I just feel society was purer back then and corruption wasnt tolerated. What say you Cog Dis?

NotApplicable's picture

It was better, like any government, only in the sense that it was more decentralized. It was still a predator in any area it had teeth.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

I guess it depends upon whether or not you believe the (state run) school book version of American/World history. I for one do not. The "founding fathers" mythos is exactly that, carefully manicured and beautified mythology. This is not to say we are told outright lies, just carefully groomed "truths".

The deliberately created fallacy many of us labor under is the false need to "know" that an alternative view is in fact "a truth" (usually by way of experts) before rejecting any "truth" we were originally indoctrinated into. This fails the critical thinking test.

One doesn't require answers to when or why in order to first question who, what and where. To me this is ass backwards. I do not need to know why certain people are doing something before I will consider gathering facts and information.

Wasn't it Boneparte who said "History is a set of lies agreed upon"?

forexskin's picture

you seem to overcomplicate things sometimes.

if the ethos of Liberty and the enlightment is some fairy tale, none of this has much meaning.

history is dividing on different fault lines as we speak. the old left right paradigm is giving way to a control / freedom paradigm. that is where the battle will be fought - guaranteed.

BlueCollaredOne's picture

Thanks for the well thought out response.


Ghordius's picture

Lobbys. a bit of them is fine and improves politics, like salt.

too much of them and you spoil the results

that easy

Seer's picture

"In founding times being a legislator was a civil service, not a career."

Maybe because they hadn't gotten enough momentum to create the basis for "career" payments?

Rackets take a bit of time before starting to pay off.

Those who legislate are looking to get others to DO.  It's as simple as that.

Nothing magically (or horribly) changed.  It was ALWAYS there.  It's about POWER.  "Civil servants" have the capacity to kill you, don't ya know?  Pay your taxes or be killed. (didn't the British say this?)

Revolutions are about a new crop of victors carving up the spoils.  Back in the days there were LOTS of spoils to be carved up (just get kick some British butt [those are some LONG supply lines] and wipe out some pesky Injuns), very few people to share in the pie- INSTANT WEALTH!  What a script!  Wrap it all up in some nice language (that excludes lots of people and stuff), a nice flag, add some good music, allow people to believe that "God" has ordained it all- viola!  you have a basis for establishing long-lasting control.

Sorry, but I'll vote that you're naive.  Not giving you a down arrow because I think that your heart is in the right place: I'd really like for it to be so as well, but the actual facts just won't line up so.

unwashedmass's picture

this would all be nice indeed, but......we might also consider stopping the forever wars, and ending the massive massive giveaways to the banks as well. 

somehow you hear a lot about the peasants sucking on the nation's tit....and nothing, not a peep, about the money being flushed away on the elites' special projects. 

before i ask some old lady to eat cat food, i'd like to see jamie give up some of the profit he's going to make on the new $45B giveaway tomorrow....and for Dick Cheney to forego those sweet war time divvys.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

Complain all you want about the system. After's a free country.

Just never ever question the system itself and all its supporting lies and deceit. That might just get you two to the back of the head if you're of sufficient influence or threat.

tickhound's picture

"before i ask some old lady to eat cat food, i'd like to see........ FILL IN THE BLANK"

Thank you for that.  As if going through the "little guy's" take-home bennies with a fine-toothed comb would accomplish anything.

Take a hatchet to the bloated corporate welfare klepto class and go from there. 

Seer's picture

Like I'd been saying, no one put a gun to the heads of the banksters and told them they had to make shitty loans.  Always the refrain was that was the free-loaders ("illegals" a favorite target of the xenophobs) scamming the poor innocent system.

No shit, it has been people all across the board.  It has to stop, and it will!  However, "leaders" are supposed to set the example, in which case the greater "punishment" should be given to those people.  The System punishing itself?  Ha!  So, it's really left to us to find our own way, find the moral compass and allow this to all drift away to sink on it's own.

forexskin's picture

no one put a gun to the heads of the banksters and told them they had to make shitty loans.

wrong again. it was collusion between the banks and govt (targeted gov't home ownership goals) with sovereign backstopping, heading for a crisis where the banks could pass failed loans upward, understanding there would be a huge increase in gov't control and power consequent. lets call it fascism. paid for with EBT bread and circus.

as long as the great unwashed are fed and entertained, the power is safe where it is. who is going to punish whom? learn some history - this has been done before.

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

A few weeks until the clif, but the debt ceiling might have been taken out today.  Any word on that Tyler?

SmallerGovNow2's picture

USA debt clock = $16.366 Trillion

Current debt ceiling = $16.394 Trillion

cossack55's picture

All the people quoted are dead.  I don't think they will be able to provide much help.  They should have thought ahead and limited all their speeches/writings to 140 characters or less.