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4th Amendment Over: Public Buses Adding Microphones To Record Conversations

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Via Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Believe it or not the article itself is actually a lot worse than even the title implies.  These microphones are in many cases being coupled with cameras in order to gain an even greater level of surveillance.  All with grants from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).  Now honestly, does anyone really think this is for Al Qaeda?  This is a great follow up to my piece from last week titled:  Coming to Your Car: Mandatory Black Boxes That Record Everything.

From Wired:

Transit authorities in cities across the country are quietly installing microphone-enabled surveillance systems on public buses that would give them the ability to record and store private conversations, according to documents obtained by a news outlet.

 

The systems are being installed in San Francisco, Baltimore, and other cities with funding from the Department of Homeland Security in some cases, according to the Daily, which obtained copies of contracts, procurement requests, specs and other documents.

 

The systems use cables or WiFi to pair audio conversations with camera images in order to produce synchronous recordings. Audio and video can be monitored in real-time.

 

In Eugene, Oregon, the Daily found, transit officials requested microphones that would be capable of “distilling clear conversations from the background noise of other voices, wind, traffic, windshields wipers and engines” and also wanted at least five audio channels spread across each bus that would be “paired with one or more camera images and recorded synchronously with the video for simultaneous playback.”

The 4th Amendment is dead.  I repeat, the terrorists won.

 


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Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Agreed, the terrorists won...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Texas Ginslinger
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Not like we need more reasons for not riding in a public bus...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:38 | Link to Comment john39
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skynet going on line....  for your protection of course.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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"The 4th amendment is dead"

No - It is America that is DEAD!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:59 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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What's the big deal? 

"I've done nothing wrong so I've got nothing to hide." 

Or how about this gem?

"As long as it makes me feel safer, I don't care what they do!"

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:05 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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"I've heard things that will blow your mind"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkcgdrWEAiI

 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 17:51 | Link to Comment trav777
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you think it's bad now?

Obama wants to equalize punishment rates for different races of kids in schools.  Disparate impact and all of that.  Surely, criminal prosecution rates are next for adjustment.

If you're asian, don't ever open your mouth, anywhere, ever.  You imagine how many asian kids they will have to suspend for chewing gum or dropping a pencil to get things all leveled out?

There's some ordinance that you are violating right now and don't even know it...everyone is.  And these bus cameras won't be used to hear racial epithets in these cities where gangs of worldstarhiphoppers beat up people without color...that will just be "random violence."  It'll eventually have to be used against the people who CARE about getting sent to prison but who aren't doing the marxists the favor of committing crimes at the same rates as protected classes.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 18:51 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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That's all well and good, but can you please explain for me how Negro stupidity results in American-brewed beer being so bland and lousy?

It'd be far more relevant.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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COPS.

 TO PROTECT AND SERVE THE CRIMINAL BANKERS.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment HardwoodAg
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You could say that again.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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After face recognition software, voice recognition software needs to remove some kinks. for your safety.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:49 | Link to Comment prodigious_idea
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http://www.aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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If you put infrared LEDs into a baseball hat all those cameras can see is a brightness where your face belongs.  

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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It used to be. Now software put a dot on the source of IR-LED to block the glare.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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My next suggestion would be to assume the veil of a Saudi woman.  

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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> Now software put a dot on the source of IR-LED to block the glare.

Yeah? So what happens when you light your fucking head on fire? They have to ID you with a fucking dentist - that's what.

Make 'em work for it.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Patriot Eke
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We're all terrorists now, so therefore who has really won?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 17:49 | Link to Comment Drachma
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Don't forget gait recognition software. All put together, that's some biometric signature. For your safety of course.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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COPS.

 TO PROTECT AND SERVE THE CRIMINAL BANKERS.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:10 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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Before we all die off, we ought to tell the younger generation that the police motto used to be "To Protect and Serve" -- how quaint that was.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment kralizec
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To Punish and Enslave

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment aka Gil
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All that $ to eavesdrop on Obama-loving hippies riding public transit in Eugene, OR. Un-fucking-believeable.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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911 has flipped all the rules and the term "homeland security" is a cool Orwellian trick. The very thing that should be recorded, government transactions re: waterboards, corporate boards, and oil hoards are now protected from disclosure. Private conversations and anything inside the home is now fair game   

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Yes.  When do you suppose they will start rounding up ter ro rist s?  Do you suppose they will let us bring a toothbrush?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment MonsterBox
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Sure. How else are we to clean their toilets?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:06 | Link to Comment Excursionist
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Speaking of toilets...  I used to be halfway paranoid about urinals with autoflush sensors for detecting presence of bodies.  Thinking was along the lines of, "How hard would it be to install in those sensors minicams for recording my impressive hawg when it's out of its cage?"  I mean, who wouldn't want to see it and have a recording for posterity?  Now I have to worry about public transportation as well?  Good grief..  Just hope my BMW convertible doesn't break down.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Where I'm at, the jokes on them, as the buses are EMPTY!!

The idiots they hire to design the routes couldn't produce a coherent one if their life depended on it. Whether this is all due to them, or the political directives they follow, it's hard to tell.

They don't even run the buses both directions on ANY route, so it is impossible to go somewhere and return without riding the entire route. At least they got smart enough to approve advertising on the buses, so now you can't see that it is empty, as they've covered the windows with silk-screening.

But hey, other than spending (and losing) millions per year, how else could I have this valuable public service of rolling, polluting billboards?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:42 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Fill in the blanks.

 

Congradulations to all fellow americans for making this country a ------------ country.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Intoxicologist
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"To Serve and Protect" has become "To Harass and Collect" if you ask me.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 15:00 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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to observe and collect

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment midtowng
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America might be dead, but its body has been reanimated and is now walking around eating brains.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 17:25 | Link to Comment ajax
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America was finished when "buses" became acceptable English:

 

It's "busses" and always shall be.  Oh how Ajax fusses !!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment IllusionOfChoice
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Building Skynet can save our crumbling economy, I just know it!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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having ridden public busses, i can assure you there is very little conversation to begin with, and such conversation as there is, is either mindless drivel, or concerns seating

 

the only thing i can think of that is worse than recording bus conversation , is listening to bus conversation

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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No human will listen to it, unless "keywords" are detected.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Joe A
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They don't really have any other purpose than creating a panopticon. Terrorist don't ride on busses except for putting explosives on them and I doubt that they will talk about it while on the bus.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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"Hi! My name is Mahmood. I'm from Eugene, Oregon. Mind if I put this C4 under your seat?"

 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 15:16 | Link to Comment Abiotic Oil
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Government funded research studies show that 9.39% of terrorists prefer to plot their campaigns of mass destruction while riding public busses.  The remainder seem to prefer public restrooms.  Cameras and microphones coming to a toilet near you soon.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment mkkby
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That's right. Which is why no eavsdropping technology will ever work.  The terrorists use their own code words like "deliver the cake".  All anyone will hear is normal sounding conversation.  It's all just a huge waste of money, except to the defense contractors who are milking us dry.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Not an excuse!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:11 | Link to Comment 1100-TACTICAL-12
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This country is a joke.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Lets_Eat_Ben
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You have a point, but the big picture is we are being increasingly watched and listened to. Those that seek this ubiquitous, big-brother BS, are now and have been for some time, working toward a constant surveillance of those they seek to keep enslaved and they will continue until we don't even have privacy inside our own minds.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment spinone
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Agreed, buses must be a low priority for surveillance. So if they are finally getting down the list to buses, imagine what they are already monitoring.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:36 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Without discounting your point, I see this designed more as creating an acceptable avenue for "free money" flow. All municipalities are gearing up to become federal welfare queens. Transit systems have long been at the top of this list as it provides a shiny facade of "helping the poor," even though the services provided never live up to the hype. The real purpose though?

As always, Rent Seeking 101.

OPM? Gimme!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:20 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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around our house we call it "The Trough" or simply "Government Cheese".

911 changed everything.

(rubs hands together like a fly)

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 15:03 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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spinone finally got where i was going with it

+1

by the time they are bugging busses its because the only other place to eaves drop is on themselves

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:36 | Link to Comment Boiling Frogs
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...and the frog gets a little warmer.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Larry Dallas
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IMHO, 9/11 was an inside job that would allow the .gov to easily overrule the 4th Ammendment under the banner of "terrorism".

 

 

 

 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Withdrawn Sanction
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It's kind of interesting TPTB feel the need to gin up excuses to emasculate the Constitution and Bill of Rights.  Why not just steam-roller it like Lincoln did.  Perhaps their position is far more precarious than one might think. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:08 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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considering the Patriot Act is over 1000 pages and was ready days after the event, I think you're on to something.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 15:05 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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davey jones said "considering the Patriot Act is over 1000 pages and was ready days after the event, I think you're on to something"

 

considering the Patriot Act is over 1000 pages and was ready years before the event, I think you're on to something

 

fixed it for ya

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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good point. there was the officially ready and the unofficial

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:41 | Link to Comment drexlraw
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1989 omnibus crime bill? ;)

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:51 | Link to Comment TraderTimm
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Basic digging reveals the unit's maker:

http://www.safetyvision.com/products/roadrecorder7000/

This particular model supports up to 12 cameras.

For the technically inclined:

https://t5_sites_static.s3.amazonaws.com/schipul-safetyvision/media/file...

Default interface is: 192.168.8.80 / 255.255.0.0

It sports a web-panel administration page hosted on 192.168.8.70, with the default of admin/admin.

Even more amusingly, the cameras have the default password of Admin/1234.

It will accept GPS input as well as a connection for cell radio communications.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 00:18 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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All they had to do was dust off the anth*ax

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:32 | Link to Comment Treason Season
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"any man who finds himself on a bus at the age of 26 can account himself a failure"

Margret Thatcher

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment Boiling Frogs
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Or his parent's insurance.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Agent P
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"My mother always told me, 'There's always one weirdo on every bus'...but I could never find him."

Emo Phillips

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment saturn
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Find a way to fight them.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment max2205
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They won because HS and Iran and Afganastain bankrupted us

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:36 | Link to Comment Tompooz
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SAVAK, KHAD, Shabiha, mukhabarat --all for your own good.

Until it isn't.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:53 | Link to Comment XitSam
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Naturally this will be only to investigate terist threats. Until the DEA drug warriors want to data mine it. And then the divorce and child support lawyers will want transcripts.

Sound like time for some street theater. Maybe a Animal Liberation Front boom plot paid for with drugs by Mexican Islamists and financed by Nigerian Cave Gnomes.

Edit: Given the state of maintenance on public busses, I wouldn't expect them to last very long.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:19 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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If it's WIFI, then it can be cracked remotely.  Bus signs on WIFI were similarly altered in this way. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 18:24 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Paint cans - to cover

Fly spray + BIC lighter = flame thrower.

Shit I'm now on the "official" watch list

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:45 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Please don't tell me your definition of 'the terrorists' are towelheads hiding in caves... Let me guess ~ an Israeli based firm got the contract for installing these listening devices (which are utterly redundant anyway because with smartphones &/or car GPS systems, &/or credit cards, drivers licenses, etc. ANYTHING can be tracked at will)...

But yeah ~ If I'm going to be a 'terrorist' ~ I'm going to jump on a city bus and have open conversations about my clandestine activities... (rolls eyes)...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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Right on Mr Sawyer-The terrorist are the CIA, DHS, MIC and the Bankers..............

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment OpenEyes
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Let's not forget the TSA, who seem to making a power grab for control of the US Interstate Highway system (see link below)

 

http://www.infowars.com/tsa-moves-to-sovietize-internal-travel/

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Agent P
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If there's one thing the TSA is good at, it's grabbing things.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:10 | Link to Comment trollin4sukrz
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You left out NUMBER 1= M O S S A D 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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the true terrorists are the ones installing this spyware

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 17:34 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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yup...and using torture in quantanomo, stocking up on millions of hollow point amo and throwing their unquestioned allegience to Israel.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment LongBalls
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If by using the word terrorists you refer to the elite banksters and their puppets in government who false flag events then yes. I agree with you. If by using the word terrorist to describe a man in the middle east who straps a bomb on himself to rid his country of western war mongers (not an indictment of the soldier) then no. He has not won. He is dead and his country is still occupied.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment mercenaryomics
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Yet if I film a police officer, even in public, I can go to prison. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:57 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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The Soviet State of IL recently was told IT IS legal to film an on-duty cop by the courts.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Welcome to USSA.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:47 | Link to Comment Cortez the Killer
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who cares.  only statists and savages use public transportation

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Fire Cat
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It's like "Fahrenheit 451" & "1984" had an illegitimate child and named it Amerika.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:12 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Reflexive +1

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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Hey toss in a little Ipad and Dancing with the Stars souma, don't leave out Aldous!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Gordon Freeman
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The terrorists won when we reacted the way we did after 9/11.  There were plenty of voices questioning those reactions back then, for these very reasons--and they were ridiculed.  

The U.S. has the power structure it asked for, and which it so richly deserves.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment odatruf
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The terrorists didn't win then or now. Those elected and appointed to work for us have done this on their own, and we've allowed it.

 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:49 | Link to Comment exi1ed0ne
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No, they have been in office for a while now.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Zap Powerz
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If you think you have nothing to hide so why worry about survelance keep this in mind:

You dont get to decide what is considered threatening or dangerous speech.  That decision is left up to the people listening to you.  You may not think you have anything to hide, but TPTB might disagree with you and if they do, youre kinda fucked.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The people "elected" one in 2008/2012 - well it was rigged but whatever.  All of TV and Hollywood love our mullah.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Mr. Magoo
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What terrorists?? OH you must mean the biggest terrorist the U.S government and its cronies in Al-CIAda

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment Cursive
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Avoid the fiscal cliff.  Eliminate Homeland Security!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:47 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Department of Homeland Security = SHELL CORPORATION to funnel taxpayer dollars to Israeli based security & tech surveillance interests...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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can they hear this -"FUCK YOU DHS,TSA,NSA,CIA,FBI,ET AL"

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment toady
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My cousin is all crazy about this stuff. Every time I say I hate obama he's all 'quiet, they'll hear you! '

He has a list of acronyms you can't say, won't talk on the phone, spends most of his time in the woods, etc....

I can't go that far yet, but I'm almost there...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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its almost time to grow a beard, disappear, get wierd and move up into the mountains

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment centerline
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Drones love wierd people with beards.  And no one will hear the "booooooom!" when one delivers a housewarming gift up in the mountains.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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I did that pretty much in the 70s but got bored and came back out in the 80s.  I knew it was all going bad then but was off on the timing.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 16:57 | Link to Comment hidingfromhelis
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I'm good to go...just as soon as I find that elusive manual typewriter.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:57 | Link to Comment BlueCollaredOne
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It's much more liberating to just say "Fuck you" to the system, and continue on with your day.

Fuck living in fear.  

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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I bet they can read this......

 

I can’t think of anything more patriotic than violating the patriot act.

Author unknown

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Frank N. Beans
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well if they really wanted my grandma's recipe for chicken and dumplings they should'a just asked! 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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What about her Beans & Franks recipe?...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:59 | Link to Comment BlueCollaredOne
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1/2 lb. franks, cut in quarters

1/3 c. chopped onions

1 tbsp. butter

1 (16 oz.) can pork and beans

2 tbsp. catsup

1 tbsp. brown sugar or 1 Equal

1 tbsp. prepared mustard

1 1/2 tsp. Worcestershire sauce

Saute franks and onion in butter in skillet until franks are lightly browned. Add remaining ingredients, stir gently. Cook over medium heat about 10 minutes or until thoroughly heated, stirring often.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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bet you wouldnt dare say that on a bus though

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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You can eat your dinner

eat your pork & beans

I eat more chicken any man's ever seen...

~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf3KG8VAtJg

Edit: Actually, the recipe sounds good... But ~ the [16 oz. can of pork & beans] ingredient... That one made me laugh... It's like those HAMBURGER HELPER ads on TV... So yeah ~ you get some wannabe 'haute cuisine' chef who 'PERSONALIZES' a fucking batch of ground beef & hamburger helper by chopping in an onion or bell pepper...

Fucking Wolfgang Puck on a budget... Next thing you know, someone will be adding a few cubes of Velveeta into their powdered Mac&Cheese delicacy & serving it atop a piece of kale for presentation...

 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Bob
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Sautee the franks in butter I thought rich in a certain mangled charm. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment I Am Not a Copp...
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Or eat that before getting on a bus

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Intoxicologist
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You should name that recipe Cropdusting Fuel ;-)

If I had to ride a public bus (none where I live), I'd be stirring often myself. 

Last bus I was on was about 25 years ago.  The bus caught on fire and I wound up walking home anyhow.  Sans bus fare refund.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Overfed
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I'll make sure to eat that before boarding a bus. They can record me farting loudly. Too bad they couldn't record the smell. Cocksuckers.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:33 | Link to Comment CPL
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Cool,

Another sloppy monitoring system to use and capture evidence broadcast over the air.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment doomandbloom
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isnt it for our own safety?    

/sarc

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:59 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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You know the story, you can never be too safe and if it will save one life, it's worth it. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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This will be used to kill thousands, perhaps millions, but if they save one precious little white girl pimp her to all the talk shows, the sheeple will eat it up.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Actually, don't hate on me (I don't make the "rules"), but public buses are...."public," and under a critical mass of stare decisis, there's absolutely no reasonable expectation of privacy in any public space (there may be an exception to this black letter rule of law that I'm not aware of, but if so, it's the exception, and please remind me or inform me of it) under the 4th Amendment or any other consituonal "area."

The general rule of thumb, in layman's terms, is to never expect that you're not being photographed, recorded or otherwise identified or monitored in any public space in modern day America, if you are in a public space.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:38 | Link to Comment Tsar Pointless
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I believe under the letter of the law, you are correct. "Public" means public.

Most people now are more than happy to have everybody in earshot hear their telephone conversations, so I don't see the problem here.

Have you ever heard how people speak into their telephones when they are taking public transportation? It's as though they finally got their close-up with Mr. Demille.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Cursive
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@Tsar Pointless

You are so totally right.  Everyone preening for their 15 minutes at the watercooler, bank teller line, etc.  In other news, the CALM law goes into effect today, so big brother is going to protect our ears from loud commercials, too.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:58 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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they are only turning down the commercials so they can hear your conversations better

 

people just dont talk during the show, and they need to be able to hear your conversations to properly tailor the advertising to your needs

 

<no sarc>

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:20 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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It's not just public, it's private too.

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Pants McPants
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"Most people now are more than happy to have everybody in earshot hear their telephone conversations, so I don't see the problem here"

I do.  Privacy is privacy, regardless of what the majority thinks or how the majority behaves. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:39 | Link to Comment Cursive
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@TruthInSunshine

I think there's a reasonable expectation that if you are alone on a bus and you let out a gigantic buritto fart, then no one should be listening.  I hope this makes you chuckle and realize the constant, creeping unnecessary nosiness of big bother.  There's no excusing it.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Cursive no one lets out a gigantic burrito fart while they sit there. They wait till there stop and rip it on the way out. That is known as "cropdusting" and it cannot be caught by microphone or on tape.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:00 | Link to Comment HobbyFarmer
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God, I love this site.  One moment I'm paranoid and the next I'm laughing at the hilarity of the whole thing.

First site I check in the morning and last one before computer is turned off.

 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:46 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Peeps, I never said I liked it, but was just stating the law as interpretred repeatedly & consistently by the wise elders of our beloved Supreme Court (Marbury v. Madison, bitchez).

If I'm technically wrong in my interpretation, you'll never find a person more humble (I hope) and wanting to be corrected, so I'll take no offense.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:46 | Link to Comment john39
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two points... first, when those court decisions where handed down... no one was thinking about nationwide surveilance systems, tracking people in real time through supercomputers... didn't exist.  second, the legal system is corrupt and has been for a long time...   the constitution was destroyed through the commerce clause, which has bascially been interpreted to allow the federal government to regulate anything and everything...  just for starters. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I respect your opinions, and I'm not being condescending, but there are very current rulings from federal courts, all consistent with everything I've stated. In fact, there are relatively current rulings reiterating these principles from the SCOTUS itself.

Again, I'm not stating this is as it should be, nor consistent with the intent of the framers, but it's the modern reality until the highest court in the land decides to do a 180.

Anyone who thinks that they have an expectation of privacy to be respected under the province of our constitution that prevents their movements or voice from being monitored and recorded has never walked down a Manhattan street.

There are even fewer "privacy rights" that extend to people within airports, subway stations, etc.

 

p.s. - There was a recent case where a citizen suspected of drug trafficking had a GPS tracking device place on his motor vehicle, that was parked in his driveway, sans warrant, and was subsequently arrested for said drug trafficking. He challenged the arrest on grounds that the placing of the GPS tracking device on his vehicle without a warrant invalidated the action of law enforcement, since his driveway, essentially, was not a "public space," and won. I think that he would have lost had he chose to park on the adjacent city street (but that's speculation).

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:05 | Link to Comment john39
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court decisions are simply a judge or a panel or judges' interpretation of the constitution....  they say that this orwellian insanity is constitutional...   why they are where they are after all...  I say they are wrong... that having a nationwide network or cameras and microphones hooked into supercomputers is an unreasonable invasion of privacy.   that said, i hardly expect the court system to fix this, by now that should be obvious to just about everyone.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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You're getting into the realm of legal theory/philosophy and what should be.

I'm speaking in terms of legal mechanics and what presently "is."

You're being thoughtful, contemplative and ebbing towards the ideal.

I'm sticking to the straight yellow line on the two lane highway of present reality (for purposes of this topic).

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment john39
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ok, but we all know what is going on...   so what?  i could summarize it in a word.... fascism.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I certaintly am about as opposed as one could be to the mission creep and ever expanding intrusion of big.gov, but IMO, it's wise to know the rules by which the game is played.

I'm under the impression that it's been turned into a game of "gaming," with severe stakes hanging in the balance.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
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They are not Judges they are Administrators of the court , we have had no Judges in America since 1871.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Cursive
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@TruthInSunshine

No offense, brother.  And fonzanoon has also enlightened me on the finer aspects of close proximity cropdusting.  I appreciate your legal review of the situation.  I don't doubt that "they" will find any and all reasons to do whatever they please to trample on our hard-won liberties and I don't doubt that we are united in our disgust and willingness to resist.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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The fact that this is a public bus doesn't mean there isn't a "reasonable expectation of privacy."  But you allude to the very purpose of this:  to further restrict the "reasonable expectation of privacy" such that it isn't reasonable anywhere.

Previously, it would have been reasonable for us to speak together on a public bus and expect our conversation to be private.  It isn't so much that we are on a public bus, but that we are merely speaking privately together.  What's next?  X-ray scanners that can see through everyone on the bus and identify everything that is on (or in) a person's body?  Downloading all information off everyone's cell phone who gets on the bus?  DNA samples stored along with pictures?

In a world where people elect as "Person of the Year" an evil dictator who tortures and kills by the thousands, nothing should surprise us anymore. 

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/13/and-the-winner-of-times-person-of-the-year-reader-poll-is/

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment BlueCollaredOne
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He was elected man of the year for the lols.  Off topic, but did you hear that Skrillex died last night?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:12 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Nonetheless, there was a time in this country when someone a bit too preoccupied with minding my business, rather than their own, was met with a rap on the beak and a heartfelt admonition to get the hell outta here before I permanently rearrange your face.......

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:45 | Link to Comment Northeaster
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In my backyard:

http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opinions/10-1764P-01A.pdf

http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272/S...

It is illegal to record the voice of a private citizen in my state without their consent and it can't be inferred. The court did rule however, one can record a "public official" while in the performance of their duties.

Of course these days, usurping The United States Constitution and the Rule of Law in general is no longer big deal.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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First, the law on a private citizen recording another person varies from state to state, and isn't "on all fours," legally speaking, with this subject matter.

The government can and does set up CCTV, sound recorders and other monitoring equipment that captures images and noises that emanate from public spaces all day, every day, in public spaces, and it's perfectly legal/constitutional according to the Supreme Court.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Northeaster
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Images are good all day long, not so for audio.

From The U.S. Supreme Court, Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967):

"first that a person have exhibited an actual (subjective) expectation of privacy; and second, that the expectation be one that society is prepared to recognize as 'reasonable.'"

The Supreme Court has, for the most part, not addressed the issue of whether or not the Katz standard is applicable to wiretaps that are undertaken for national security, as opposed to criminal prosecution, purposes.

Looks like it's going to be tested.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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The facts presented in that case are wholly different than what's being discussed in this thread, though.

A wiretap instituted by law enforcement in an area that is being (apparently) argued not to be a public space, under the alleged claim of "national intelligence," is a different ball of wax.

It's an interesting case, though.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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The last time I was on a public bus there was some batshit crazy guy one there rambling about everything. This guy would have sent TPTB on 50 wild goose chases.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment jayman21
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Let the games begin

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment resurger
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Fuck you Obamma!

Record that bitch!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:53 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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I am still confuse. Who are you guys talking about, Osama or Obama, Saddam Hussein or Barack hussein, ehud burak or barak hussain.

 

or we got Burak Saddam Osama in the white house?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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they have chips in the new cars too

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I'm holding out for the brain implants.

<Hold still. This won't hurt a bit.>

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:05 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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Come to think of it, if they just give everyone a lobotomy instead of a brain implant, there would be no need to track anyone.

Actually, that's probably in the health care bill.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:21 | Link to Comment odatruf
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You'd have to read it to know...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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The MSM has been giving non-surgical lobotomies for decades.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:03 | Link to Comment quasimodo
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All the more reason to NOT buy something that loses thousands of value the second you drive the bitch off the lot.....that and the majority of them are shit.

I'm sure I will get junked by some fat ass Michigan union thugs who decided to troll today instead of protest.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment centerline
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Most newer cars already have event data recorders (black boxes).  They may not record "everything" but can be used in the event of an accident.  Of course, they are not flawless either.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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your own car can testify against you in court. brilliant!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment caShOnlY
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when the last days of fiat currency fun are in sight, you dance all night while the music still plays

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Never saw this coming. Not in a million years.

/sarc

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment AvoidingTaxation
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Soon in your home!

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