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Guest Post: Blue Shield Of California To Hike Insurance Rates Up To 20%
Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg
Blue Shield Of California To Hike Insurance Rates Up To 20%
Good thing there is no inflation, you know, except in every single thing every single American needs to buy to survive that is! The hits just keep coming for California, America’s very own Greece. Remember the article I posted a couple of days ago titled: Payday Loans in California: School Districts Owe $1 Billion on $100 Million Borrowed.
Now we find out from the LA Times:
Health insurer Blue Shield of California wants to raise rates as much as 20% for some individual policyholders, prompting calls for the nonprofit to use some of its record-high reserve of $3.9 billion to hold down premiums.
In filings with state regulators, Blue Shield is seeking an average rate increase of 12% for more than 300,000 customers, effective in March, with a maximum increase of 20%.
That should be a real boon for California’s economy. Meanwhile…
Some other states limit how much surplus can be held by nonprofit health plans. Other regulators press nonprofit insurers to return more money to consumers and the community overall since their stated mission is to serve the public good. Washington’s insurance commissioner has said the two big nonprofit Blue Cross and Blue Shield plans there hold enough surplus to allow a portion of it to be used to reduce rates.
Wait a minute. This is a “non-profit?” It is truly amazing that whenever I think this ghetto economy we have couldn’t be more screwed up, it immediately proves me wrong.
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If you think it's expensive now, just wait until it's free!
Sounds more like "Red Shield" kind of usury to me...
I was going to type “Berk” instead of “Bernanke”, but decided to look it up first. Guess what, ZeroBoys and ZeroGirlZ?
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, BERK has two peculiar connections:
“1930s: abbreviation of Berkeley or Berkshire Hunt, rhyming slang for 'cunt'.” ;-)
Looney
This is much ado about nothing.
If you are worried about "spiking costs of living" you are doing it wrong; give up eating, the need for gasoline, electricity & other energy, stop consuming medical care & don't even think about tuition for a university degree, and buy lots of 156" 3D LED HDTVs and iGadgets, bitchez.
I'm eating an iPad Mini right now for dinner, and it's delicious.
How is that hollandaise sauce app? I've been meaning to try it.
I hate regulation, but how about this. No one working for a NOT FOR PROFIT outfit gets paid more than $30,000 per year. Watch the rats scramble.
They need to increase rates... they gotta pay campaign contributions, too...
And that 30K cap applies to gubamint workers, too
Let's run around and break all the windows in California and really pump that economy.
They tried that already, back in '92 after the Rodney King trial.
Funny, didn't seem to work too well.
Yea, but the riots sure improved the MSN bottom lines!
Who knew that "sliding into the ocean" was really a metaphor for this economic suicide.
You're a simpleton.
Try this on for size. When obunghole got elected I wrote a letter to the CEO of the charity that I donate to, well used to donate to. Basically I let the charity know that from now on they don't get a cent from me because Washington dc is to reckless with their spending and too thuggish with their thievery.
So with self preservation in mind I gots to look out for me an mine first. It sucks and it's selfish but imagine the message sent if everyone just stopped donating to charity and letting the charitable organizations know why. Things could change?
I tell people I already donate to charity. With my 50%+ taxes, I donate to build new schools and infrastructure in
Iraq, pay for free phones, pay for companies to buy votes... my charitable contribution list is endless, just ask "uncle" sam!
I just can't. We personally support 3 orphans plus help returning vets. Since the feds refuse to do simple things (like allowing vets to take over abandoned homes going to pot for cost) and wastes money that could properly be spent on kids who truly need it (vs Obamaphones), citizens are forced to step up to the plate. Cutting off the flow of taxes to the DC black hole is one thing. Cutting off funding for kids and vets is another.
I'd be interested in seeing your reaction at the kind of nursing care a salary of 30k gives you.
luckily, there are no jobs thus no need for a degree. Honest and consistent
what....not even for a media and social specialist...???
Has ZH mentioned that THIS YEAR (2012) Health Care Contributions by employers will be included on your W2. It's a meaningless figure at this point, because the Sheeple will just ooohhh and ahhh about that number. Next up...Health Care Contributions included in your taxable income. This year, is the dry run where the IRS stacks you up. Soon, you get mowed down.
We just had a meeting Wednesday at work about this. My employer is seriously considering just cutting us a check for what they would have sent the insurance company and letting us get our own insurance if we choose to do so. Small company, less than 40 employees. It costs our company over $17K per MONTH for employee health insurance. Un-fucking-believable.
You know a lot of people voted for Obama and the Health care plan...small business too...NOW they are going to find out the Utopia they thought they were getting will not be...it will pu some out of business...but will they learn from their bad decisions...no they won´t...they will still vote for the Socialists because to them it feels good...Kumbayah
it's a theytopia not a utopia or metopia
Good video/cartoon.
FORWARD YOUR DEAD!
And the GOP wants private insurance over SS? It's better with a middle man taking his cut.
Considering SS is over $150B in the red this year alone, I wouldn't put too much trust in this boondoggle. After all, in an astounding case of intellectual dishonesty, the government forces private firms to balance their books or face legal consequences, unlike themselves.
I received a letter from Anthem Blue Cross last week informing me of another increase effective Feb 2013. This one for 24.6%. This is the third such increase in three years, and according to Anthem all the result of Obamacare. My premiums have increased 110%, and total out of pocket for health care 140% increase in last three years. I have myself, my wife, and two healthy kids under the policy. All of us in good health. Meanwhile, my wages have steadily declined since 2008.
I used to have Anthem. Those cocksuckers nearly doubled my monthly payment over three years. It reached the point where i had to drop it. They priced me out. And I never even used it one time. It ended up being like 4500 bucks I flushed down the fucking toilet for nothing.
I'd love to have that money back let me tell you.
My Anthem premiums also increased 24.6% starting Feb 2013.
However, they did cover me for a $35,000 dollar hospitalization and surgery that saved my life... and I only had to pay $2500. So, as much as I hate these bastards, not having health insurance would have been worse.
Consider yourself lucky you didn't have any hospitalization Stranded Observer.
I do consider myself lucky that I have remained in relatively good health and have not been a victim to any unlucky accidents. But in regards to the health insurance, as much as it was raised, I simply could not afford it any longer. And I don't own any frivolous iCrap either. I'm fairly frugal. If something happens to me, which happened to you (and I am most certainly glad it worked out okay for you), they will just have to let me die. Which is okay too I suppose. On a long enough timeline. Its probably my fault I didn't learn to make enough money or be heartless enough to be a greedy banker.
20% increase, where do I sign up? I need to redistribute my income to help others. Grandpa Buffet told me so.
Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Explain Wealth Redistribution
Exactly. 70% of my income goes to "free" health care in Sweden.
But your wages are much higher.
>>>Wait a minute. This is a “non-profit?” It is truly amazing that whenever I think this ghetto economy we have couldn’t be more screwed up, it immediately proves me wrong.<<<
The Blues operate under a special charter. At some point in time, they stopped operating for the benefit of the insured and began operating for the benefit of the highly paid quasi-corporate administrative pigs who run the Blues. I know an accountant who worked for one of the state Blues and she was appalled.
Non-profit cooperatives are a better model. Many still operate as true cooperatives in the upper Midwest MN WI IA because their state laws allow it.
http://www.mn2020.org/issues-that-matter/health-care/the-cooperative-option-in-minnesota-a-great-model-but-not-a-public-option-s
>>>New Generation Health Cooperatives
These relatively new health cooperatives are a build-out from a co-op business model firmly anchored in Minnesota and North Dakota but are now in vogue throughout the agricultural Midwest.
In these co-ops, various groups of people such as farmers, steelworkers and small business owners voluntarily band together to form a pool of members that can purchase health care insurance and services with more market strength than members' trying to purchase health coverage by themselves.
Wisconsin leads the nation in these small health care purchasing co-ops, inspired by a 2003 Wisconsin law that should be replicated by Minnesota and other states. Oemichen said there are currently four small business co-ops, two primarily urban and two primarily rural; one steelworkers union co-op; another (ironically) for health care professionals seeking better, more cost-effective insurance; insurance pools for farmers, and two school district co-ops. Four more NGC-Health co-ops are under development at the present time in Wisconsin that will make 14 such enterprises.
The benefits so far have been in tempering costs and expanding coverage to hard-to-insure members, Oemichen said. The NGC-Health co-ops have had an impact in lowering and "plateau-ing" premiums, he said, "and they have improved benefits offered by competitors. In this case, they do bring competition to the market."<<<
That model may soon re-emerge due to changes in Federal law.
We, in turn, are watching him very closely and find his narcissistic and reprobate ways repugnant to everything this country has and should stand for. He does not intimidate me one single bit. He lies like the devil. He has the worst domestic and foreign war policies (murdering innocent people weekly) of any President ever to occupy the Office. Obama throws million dollar parties while the nation is imperiled with financial and economic problems that were Globalist engineered.
He is so corrupt any country with balls would have screamed for his impeachment and sent him packing before the fixed election. This loser wants to mandate ObamaCare and 125 mandatory vaccines on people. He let Big Pharma and the Health Care Industry write the bill. Dr. Blaylock is right on the money. He wants to destroy what is remaining of private care and socialize and mandate everything. What with be next year’s New Year’s Eve Present, the NDAA Part Deux, The Final Solution? Or will it be that everyone will be forced to wear RFID tracking bracelets? I know pure deception and evil when I see it and so do many outstanding members of the military.
Simple Health Secrets the Globalists Don’t Want You to Know: Full HD Special Report
http://www.infowars.com/simple-health-secrets-the-globalists-dont-want-you-to-know-full-hd-special-report/
Dr. Russell Blaylock.
http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/dr_blaylock/
Damn doc that was really deep, here in the intellectual gutter we just refer to him as the NWA.
The shit storm has only begun. It's truly amazing at how much velocity the deterioration is going to gain. The Sheeple will be shell shocked within a year, even the most formerly comfortably numb.
Obamacare taxes/fines are also going to be a nasty, nasty surprise for many. They have no idea how nasty b/c they really haven't been paying attention. Hell, the PREMIUMS and co-pays on that "free" Obamacare ARE GOING TO BE MORE than what they're currently paying for private insurance premiums and co-pays, and they WON'T BE ABLE TO OBTAIN that private insurance once Obamacare kicks in fully (employers are going to drop insurance benefits left and right, however they do it):
Keep in mind that these are not these are not the estimates of some anti-Obama group, but of The Kaiser Family Foundation, which describes itself as follows:
Unaffordable Cost Seen for Some Under Affordable Care Act
Do you see? All those Everest, Pajamascollegeconnection.com & University of Phoenixicans, who are extended-extended-unemployed or making minimum wage will be covered, families will catch that much needed "break," and seniors will rejoice! That family of 4 pulling down 75k will be thrilled to pay 15 1/2 k a year (or 20% of their total income). Those MANDATORY premiums and co-pays are only equal to an approximate 212% of most peoples' net-negative savings/extra cash!!! Wait until companies use the most ingenious methods to drop people from private or privately administered insurance onto the O-care dole.
My employer has a Cadillac plan. We have been told our benefits will be reduced to conform to the ACA requirements to avoid a highly punitive tax on such plans. We were proud of our benefits package and used it as a recruitment and incentive package, but cannot afford it under the ACA. Now we cannot compete on that basis with our competitors for high quality, and in our case, usually highly experienced and more senior personnel. In addition, we had an medical plan opt out provision which employees could use if they had alternate coverage. In return, we paid either increased wages or gave more paid vacation. Our interpretation of the ACA led us to drop the opt out provision and force everyone onto our plan, again, leading to a less flexible compensation system we also used to recruite and retain superior talent.
As a result, we have employees actively considering going into a 1099 status to recoup lost benefits. I guess if these guys make the move, they will probably be counted as new jobs created.
robin, much like your co, mine just had meetings on benefits Due to O bum a care:
we will be cutting hours for our student workers to keep them from working more than 30 hours in any pay period, if they do we have to offer full benefits per ACA..these kids need every cent and beg for more hours now, now they pay for voting this turd in.
Our HSA will be stopped per ACA d/t high compensation issues conflict with the new regs
looked at 1099 our high paid staff, but in Maryland if you have 1099 for what the state claims are full time workers they must be paid as full time staff and cannot be paid on 1099 self employed status..go figure
our ins costs went up 25% or over $1000/month per person
this is going to hit very hard folks who support ACA will pay with the rest of us Tax units.
sick of health laws in USSA. and no ins coverage for that..
This is the PERFECT example of how our government treats producers. The old norm of mostly producers with few takers has reversed and producers find themselves paying more and more (for the common good, of course). As they are squeezed tighter, spending will drop and/or they'll go deeper into debt. It's so...effing clear.
The alleged purpose of Obamacare was lower costs (lol) but the real purpose was "federalizing" insurance - the last industry regulated by the state. I've consulted for insurance companies and they are slicing personnel fast. Why have salesmen when your client is the fed? Why keep all those who used to check our prospective clients since pre-existing conditions are gone. And with subsidies from the feds, anyone can get insurance (as long as they're poor).
I'm sure that $3.9B was all put into aapl by some "real smart people". With that, they truly are a
"non-profit"
Shit ours is going up 22% this year after a 15% increase last year. To top it off I will turn 50 so I'll get another bump mid year. I live a heathy lifestyle and I've never made a claim. We carry a high deductable health savings plan, if I wasn't a husband and father I would drop it.
Might as well drop it.. doctors are dangerous and hospitals are a great place to get sick..
That is the very first comment you have made here that I neither downvoted nor wanted to.
Do I know you? WTF you doing talking to me?
Chill.
It's OK, akak, I took care of it for ya.
Oh woopee.. what a wonderful man you are. Supporting your fellow brainless contributor. He's probably very grateful, he is after all, a moron too.
Are you from Texas?
Jumping the shark, this gets worse day by day.
(Must have been a fluke.)
Sharia Law considers insurance a form of USURY...
~~~
It was when I understood that, (& dwelled upon it), the perceptions of francis_sawyer changed on a myriad of things [ESPECIALLY ~ towards the bloated & exaggeratedly adversaries of such thought]... That's not a broadbrush endorsement... Instead ~ Just sayin'...
Sharia law also says that if you dont use something, after seven years someone else can use it.
The reason Jews aren't Muslims is, all these laws against usury and hoarding cramp their style.
(1) If you got a hardon for Sharia, move to Saudia Arabia. (But of course, they wouldn't allow any form of disagreement or protest.)
(2) All those praising Islam for its interest rules are clueless. The idea that banks should not charge interest only rose recently since previously all loans were considered personal. Some form of interest has ALWAYS been charged - work contract, advantageous business deal, "gifts" to the lender or (the vast majority) plain interest via third party. (Many used Jewish merchants as fronts - intellectual hypocricy 101).
I taught English to Muslims from Iran and Irag and they were amused at the idea of loans without interest. They had a saying - "Only with family - never with family".
My favorite law professor, then an old guy, took off his glasses, interrrupted his lecture, and said, if you remember one thing about insurance companies class remember this, they're not insurance companies, they're investment companies.
Absolutely. How Congress could possibly allow "Non-Profits" to exist such as these obvious money manager sharks, is totally beyond me.
Insurance is like all kinds of crazy heavy regulated. It was the minute they put on "Bankers Gone Wild" to do all the same stuff that things got strange.
They're casinos making bets on your health.
cause you're not paying for you, you're paying the amortized risk for (1) the fat people (2) the fat corporations (3) the smoking people (4) the smoking corporations (5) the dishonest people, (6) the dishonest government and (7) any other possible risk, cost or other factor which has no connection to your good judgment
I have Blue Cross and live in California. Its going up 22.0% for me as well. Also, most surprisingly it has more than doubled in 3 years!!!
"I have Blue Cross and live in California. Its going up 22.0% "
Can we all scream MEDI-BUBBLE!
My carrier ... BS in Cali
"All the leaves are brown & the sky is gray"
damn, then this came to mind:
Hear the salvation army band
Down by the riverside, it's bound to be a better ride
Than what you've got planned
Carry your cup in your hand
And look around, leaves are brown now
And the sky is a hazy shade of winter
Different band, but still..
and +1
But I miss you most of all ... when autumn leaves start to fall
+20% right on the heels of their self imposed tax increases, year after year.
at some point, you'd think california would wake up.
Californians did wake up, in 1994, and passed Prop 187 – the Save Our State Initiative – that absolved California residents from financing the schooling and health care of illegal immigrants. It also stepped up labor law and border enforcement.
A single federal judge blocked its implementation.
President Bill Clinton (1993 to 2001) and VP Al Gore then rushed to the California/Mexico border and immediately began granting more than 1 million Mexicans citizenship as did Democrats such as Representative Sam Farr in Monterey Country.
In 1998, President Clinton, in a now-famous address to students at Portland State University, remarked:
Now, 18 years later, there no longer is a “59 percent” majority vote to pass a “Save Our State” initiative. Already the white population of California has fallen to 39.7 percent with the Mexican population gaining on its heels at 38.2 percent; California's color majority electorate was able to vote in a veto-proof, two-thirds majority Third World/liberal legislature in November, bent on heavy tax increases.
Wrote The Atlantic in 2009:
President Obama has continued the ongoing replacement of white America with Third World immigration, filing suit in 2010 against Arizona to block her from trying to protect her border, calling SB1070 anti-immigrant and anti-civil rights law.
55 Reasons Why California Is The Worst State In America And The Entire State Is Rapidly Becoming A Bright, Shining Example Of Everything That Is Wrong With America
http://investmentwatchblog.com/55-reasons-why-california-is-the-worst-state-in-america-and-the-entire-state-is-rapidly-becoming-a-bright-shining-example-of-everything-that-is-wrong-with-america/
Does that make it 57th?
ahh no that would be Canada
When I was a kid, a family could afford insurance.
But now it's just getting ridiculous.
That's how socialism takes over.
Stuff starts getting way expensive, and slobs like me leave it to the government.
I can't swing the price.
That the truth.
So shoot me.
http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2012/12/yesterday-dragon-lady-cooked-barbecue.html
Modern healthcare makes our kids stronger...just the other day I was thinking, when I was young, I couldnt' even carry $10 worth of groceries...but today's kids can carry $20 of groceries in one hand, no sweat!
I tell my workmates I have to get home to let the dog out, but, nah, its really for posts like this.
Thanks for the laugh!
MY PLEASURE........
California here I come
Right back where I started from
where bowers of flowers
bloom in the spring
each morning at dawning
birdies sing at everything
a sunkissed miss said, "Don't be late !"
that's why I can hardly wait
open up that golden gate
California, Here I come !
What would Jolson think today ?
But but but they said the housing bottom is in.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/aetna-inc-aet,27011/
Aetna Inc. (AET)
$35.50 (+$0.24) (+0.68%) Confidence in the company increased after laughing executives simply said, “Obamacare,” and raised premiums 20 percent.
Blue shield has 3.9 billion set to the side. They don't HAVE to raise premiums.
I bet the Obama administration leaned on them to this to purposefully to make insurance unaffordable so as to make people NEED to rely on the government.
This is fascism, no, crony capitalism
Statism, leaving socialism for communism
DIDN'T READ YOUR POST, GOT STUCK ON YOUR AVITAR, SORRY, OWE YOU A GREEN WEENIE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
You can change votes.
John D. Rockefeller's Bastard Child -- Allopathic Medicine
thought it was a well known story, but I find that the education of my youth is not much available any longer -- so well have the allopaths wiped out honest history.
Single-handedly John D. Rockefeller destroyed the prevailing medical model and created the new one -- allopathic medicine. The primary result of this activity was that his crude oil, worth perhaps a nickel per gallon, suddenly, turned into medical drugs, was worth millions of dollars per gallon. The initial changes in medicine seemed good, but the sinister and hidden purpose behind his millions of dollars of donations -- they are what we see today in the modern medical model -- based on drugs that don't cure, but increase the disease of mankind.
This page brings you the story about how John D. Rockefeller destroyed medicine. If you are old, like me, you have read this before. But, if you are a youngster, you may have never seen this before.
?http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/anatomy/p80.htm
all by design. now be a good sheeple and go special nwo flu shot full nwo goodness.
i don't know how people are able to pay insurance premiums in California.
Maybe if some out-of-state competition were allowed...oh wait...nevermind...forgot we were talking about insurance.
At federal government agencies, survey finds sagging job satisfaction
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/best-and-worst-places-to-work-in-....
At federal government agencies, survey finds sagging job satisfaction
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/best-and-worst-places-to-work-in-...
Poor,poor babies......................if they do not like the cushy pay, (even w/ the freeze),let em try WalMurt.
That $75k avg, and great bennies makes 47 million SNAP users SO SAD.
i dropped them because those fucks always try to deny my claims and way they can, even though I paid for the best PPO they offered.
Yeah. We are meat on the chopping board.
that's what they do for a living.
Get into insurance now, I'm sure. There's going to be a brief period when the gummit gets savagely raped for all the best legal exploits.
If you're a big clumsy insurance loser that can't get out of your own way, watch out.
Smart that you dropped them.
They are masters at denying claims and also deny the start of care and treatment to critically ill individuals and over-ride physicians orders.
For the Tea Pary idiots here that thought death panels were coming, they have been here for a long time at the Insurance Co. HQs.
This shows some form of Obamacare is needed.
Insurance companies fuck with individuals first where they have no bargaining power. I've been ripped off for years.
You're an idiot.
Yep, and we wonder why this country is forked. The glaze over the eyes just gets thicker.
Perhaps a happy one.
Youre a fucking moron. Rates are rising precisely because of Obamacare. The law MANDATES actuarial models pointless due to the fact that anyone can buy in at any time without question. Therefore reserves are being built-in since theres no accurate way to determine how much they will have to pay out in a given time frame. The law is designed to implode the insurance market so the only option left is for everyone to come running to the government for a madicare-like solution.
Let me guess, you probably also think this atrocity of a law will save the country money too.
The insurance companies have fucked with me long before Obamacare. Sure Obamacare is bad. But the insurance companies don't give a rat's ass about if I am healthy before any mandate. In fact, I have not seen a doctor for years. But my premium has been rising 15% per year.
I have no doubt Obamacare made things worse. But the Republicans and the insurance companies had not done shit for these years except talking and making money.
We are going down no matter what.
neither party is your friend. Just like Dick and his oil friends, Obama had lots of secret (exempt from public disclosure) meetings with insurance and drug, the two most powerful factors in corruption, cost increase, and competition kill. The administration knew these boys run the system(s) and knew they needed tham on board before they could win some token legislation. This token legislation, at least in the opinion of honest health experts has only made health care worse and more expensive. Like banking, Matt Taibbi has written some interesting things on the subject but so has a number of genuine folks.
+10. It is NOT because of Obama that rates are continuing to skyrocket; a simple check of historical medical cost charts will prove that. I'm going to put my dick on the ZH chopping block and say that there a A LOT of people that simply cannot afford the current rates , individual or family, even if they are young and in excellent health. God forbid if they have past medical issues.
I don't blame g3h or others one bit for latching on to something that will save their family or their own asses. This is a well placed politcal gambit that insures allegience to the traitors in DC, even at the expence of the people's future.
The bottom line: Lower health care costs= lower quality health care.
+5.877"
You get to keep your dick.
5.877".......about right, soft. Thanks.
Dude, it's fight club,
10"..soft..
And your mom has a tatoo that reads SON
;-)
10" soft? Well, i hope i dont meet you in our respected FEMA camp showers..
I'm on for fight club friend. It's quality over quantity.
Yep...it's like nobody here noticed the health insurance company rip-offs, denial of claims due to "pre-existing" conditions that weren't "pre-existing," denial of care and treatment by insurance cos. over-riding the orders of physicians, Insurance Comapny Death Panels at HQ, etc...
This has been going on for decades. Suddenly NOW, it's an issue.
@g3h
All we need is MOAR governmen right!? And then all of our problems will be solved.
The 1996 Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act saved the lives of two people I know because the insurance companies couldn't deny care by claiming "pre-existing" conditions.
Prior to that, people were denied coverage and care for the most inane and capricious reasons.
ZH posters, for supposedly being "above-average," are by and large selective political amnesiacs.
The a-hole who junked me must work for a health ins. co.
What's wrong buddy? Does it irk you that you can no longer deny care to sick people on a whim? Cutting into your bonus money?
FU
Someone was bitching to me the other day about how their insurance company didn't want to pay for a particular treatment and so they went to a doc who didn't take insurance and they paid cash. So I said, "And you think the federal government will be any kinder to you?" Made for a very long pause.
Good point, but says more about the people (voters) than the Federal Government.
John D. Rockefeller wanted to gain control of education, including the medical education systems. He did that with the help of Fred Gates. Fred Gates was a Baptist pastor, who left that post to become secretary of the American Baptist Education Society. Rockefeller was a devout Baptist himself, so the two were destined to meet. Rockefeller donated $600,000 to the Baptist-based Chicago University, under the suggestion of Fred Gates. (Now known as the University of Chicago Medical Center.)
In 1901 the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research was founded. One of the names on the board of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research was Simon Flexner. It was Simon Flexner’s brother, Abraham Flexnor, who had one of the biggest hands in medical education reform. (Interestingly, Abraham Flexner was born in Kentucky, one of the largest growers and suppliers of hemp during WWII.)
Abraham Flexner was on the staff of the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching.
“As mentioned previously, the Rockefeller and Carnegie foundations traditionally worked together almost as one in the furtherance of their mutual goals, and this certainly was no exception. The Flexner brothers represented the lens that brought both the Rockefeller and the Carnegie fortunes into sharp focus on the unsuspecting and thoroughly vulnerable medical profession.” (He Who Pays The Piper – Creation of the Modern Medical (drug) Establishment; G. Edward Griffin)
(This is where the web of control and monopolization seems to be even more intertwined.)
The American Medical Association was founded in 1847 and incorporated in 1897. In the early 1900s the AMA realized that there needed to be some changes in medical education. Medical practice and education in some areas left a lot to be desired (poor training and understaffed medical schools). It created the Council on Medical Education, with the purpose of evaluating countrywide medical training and making improvements where needed. However, they didn’t have enough money to do this. Enter Rockefeller and Carnegie and their funding and popularity. The president of the Carnegie Foundation, Henry Pritchett, met with the AMA and offered to take over the entire Council on Medical Education project.
“Here was the classical “philanthropic formula” at work again. Have others pay a major portion of the bill (the AMA had already done most of the work. The total Carnegie investment was only $ 10,000), reap a large bonus from public opinion (isn’t it wonderful that these men are taking an interest in upgrading medical education!), and gain an opportunity to control a large and vital sphere of American life.” (He Who Pays The Piper – Creation of the Modern Medical (drug) Establishment; G. Edward Griffin)
“—In the 1800?s the American Medical Association (AMA) resented their competitors who drove down the cost of medical care and drew away customers;
—The AMA called upon the strong arm of government force to vanquish the competition, it did so through regulating medical schools;
—A report was commissioned calling for the standardization of medical education, this was the Flexner Commission;
—The report of the Commission concluded that there were too many doctors and medical schools in America and recommended reducing the number of schools. The public outcry generated by the report convinced congress to declare the AMA the only body with the right to grant medical school licenses in the United States.” (Campaignforrealhealth.com)
In 1910 the Flexner Report was published. It pointed out medical inadequacies, but it also did much more than that.
(Instead of going into more deep jargon, I’ll just give you the condensed version from here on out.)
In the late 1800s and early 1900s there were many schools that taught Eclectic medicine (botanical and herbal medicine), Holistic medicine, and Naturopathy. These schools were not in line with the pharmaceutical drug-pushing agenda of the Rockefellers and AMA. Because these schools did not sit well with the Flexnor report, they were not allowed accreditation.
“Flexner clearly doubted the scientific validity of all forms of medicine other than that based on scientific research, deeming any approach to medicine that did not advocate the use of treatments such as vaccines to prevent and cure illness as tantamount to quackery and charlatanism. Medical schools that offered training in various disciplines including eclectic medicine, physiomedicalism, naturopathy, and homeopathy, were told either to drop these courses from their curriculum or lose their accreditation and underwriting support. A few schools resisted for a time, but eventually all complied with the Report or shut their doors.” (wikipedia)
The last Eclectic medical school closed in 1939.
Holistic health, botanicals and herbs, and nutritional therapy were not part of the agenda of the Rockefellers and AMA. Remember, also, that this was the time when the Rockefellers had the monopoly on pharmaceuticals and when Hemp was a huge threat to their pharma and oil investments.
Billions of dollars have been donated to American medical schools, but those dollars have not just been from Rockefeller and Carnegie. Funds also have come from Ford Foundation, Kellogg Foundation, The Macy Foundation, and others. It also appears that the main focus is study and research into pharmacology. (Where is the study of herbs, plants, nutrition, holistic health????)
Proper nutrition was not taught in medical schools as a preventative for disease; instead, drugs and pharmaceuticals were made to be part of the program to treat the symptoms, as opposed to getting to the root cause of the disease.
“While doctors are forced to spend hundreds of hours studying the names and actions of all kinds of man-made drugs, they are lucky if they receive even a portion of a single course on basic nutrition. Many have none at all. The result is that the average doctor’s wife or secretary knows more about practical nutrition than he does.” (He Who Pays The Piper – Creation of the Modern Medical (drug) Establishment; G. Edward Griffin)
The Flexner report had a huge effect on alternative medicines. And where did it all start? William Avery Rockefeller and his family monopoly and investments in pharmaceuticals – and their hand in prohibiting hemp farming in the USA.
Where does hemp come into play in all this? Hempseed and hempseed oil have incredible nutritional and medicinal value. Almost any condition or disease can in some way be treated or cured with hemp. A diet rich in hemp, with the perfect ratio of Omega fatty acids, amino acids, vitamins, anti-oxidants, and nutrient density can be one of the preventative steps in delaying disease.
http://hemphealer.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/the-rockefellers-the-flexnor-report-the-ama-and-their-effect-on-alternative-nutritional-botanical-medicine/
If I were someone in the government, I would wiretap their decendents, and order the assassination of their entire families.
Cut & paste award of the day. Do you really think anybody read it all?
Dude, he was talkin'bout WEED, that's righteous...
Idiot. Rub two thougths together and try and comprehend the size of the conspiracy... and not be a moron?
Junk.
You must be very proud of your thinking skills.
John D. Rockefeller wanted to gain control of education, including the medical education systems. He did that with the help of Fred Gates. Fred Gates was a Baptist pastor, who left that post to become secretary of the American Baptist Education Society. Rockefeller was a devout Baptist himself, so the two were destined to meet. Rockefeller donated $600,000 to the Baptist-based Chicago University, under the suggestion of Fred Gates. (Now known as the University of Chicago Medical Center.)
Well,unfortunately they did not succeed in gaining control of the Educational system, look what we have now, a bunch of something for nothings,(thank you Progressives, aka Socialitistas,and Black Liberation Theology , and Prosperity Gospel BS).(the American Baptists split from the Southern Baptists in the late 50's because the Southern Baptists were too liberal, LOL)
Business + government = Fuck the masses
Fuuuuuck them. They voted for it. Suck it down libs.
Obama's follwing through with Broke and Change. This president is taking us to the poor house.
That's really all they know.
"Living Standards - heading in the same direction they have for the decades leading up to the Great Recession, just much faster"
- The American Economy, post 2008
If I lived in California I wouldn't pay a nickel for insurance and if I needed to see a doctor I would cross into Mexico and pay cash. I've done it You can buy a lot of competant medical care in Mexico for one month's premiums.
Don't pay a nickel and show up at the ER like all the illegals. Tell them your name is Jose Jimenez. I'd love to see the look on their face when thousands of white guys show up saying their name is jose guadalupe or pancho villa or something mexican sounding. Illegals get away with it so why can't we? If they try to do anything about it then call them racists. Seems to work for everyone else these days.
Bueno idea. Time to learn Spanish.
Seriously? You haven't tried that yet?
I receive up to a 20% discount for same day cash payment from my medical/dental professionals because they do not want to deal with paperwork, insurance adjusters, or government bullshit. I get treated, they get paid and we all save time and money...........
Your getting ripped.
Mine give a 50% discount for cash.
Thats if you can keep the cartels from cuttin off your head.. Take a hellova doctor to sew it back on straight.
If you have an emergency you're screwed. Cash patients pay the full rate, sucks big time if its the ER.
Well yeah I mean in the end industrial medicine is a racket, seeing how its goal is the impossible...to make people live forever.
Medicine doesn't accept limits anymore than the Bernank does.
And in order to try to achieve this goal, they will try to suck the blood out of...healthy people! Talk about medieval.
Think about it. Your rates are going up because the "insurance" is used to pay for dialysis and vents and all manner of drugs and procedures for the elderly and ill who are the conduits through which profits flow to the sector. The ill certainly aren't paying for it...they're broke. And the CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield sure as hell isn't paying.
Medical insurance is a scam. Because everybody who is insured is guaranteed a payout eventually, the business model makes no sense, and wouldn't survive in a free market. It is therefore dependent on government subsidy and in the end coercive participation...which makes it fascist.
So they will keep on sucking and sucking until you die from poverty, and once you die from poverty, the system collapses and by that point nobody cares.
That's nothing.. mozzarella is up over 100% in the last couple of weeks, butter by over 25% whilst the farmers get no increases
Meanwhile, as California continues to crash and burn..............
The market dictates higher rates, that is the way it should be. Customers do not NEED to buy Blue Cross Blue Shield. It's the best system in the world and these rate increases reflect the magic hand of the market at work.
is this the same magic hand that proctologists use?
Call me GoldFinger
Or as Paul Craig Roberts puts it, "What [Obameycare] does is to convert public monies into private profits."
Best system in the world.....I'll quote you on that.
they are raising mine over 24%
Wait I thought Obama care was going to push down the prices of insurance, meds and doctor's. Hmmm. Hope and change, hope and change.
In February 2008, Senator Obama promised that "We are going to work with you to lower your premiums by $2,500. We will not wait 20 years from now to do it, or 10 years from now to do it. We will do it by the end of my first term as president." Instead, the average health insurance premium went up $3,000 during his first term.
He would have but then the bankers screwed everything up. That's why he's putting so many of them in jail.
Yes, the massive legal over-time against the corporate mortgage thieves, the SEC legals, let alone the slime at Goldman have kept them busy. Don't blame them for they are looking out for your welfare.
And it was Democrat Senator Barack Obama, speaking at the inauguration of Goldman Sach’s think tank, the Hamilton Project (cleverly imbedded in the Brookings Institute), who promised his “friend Bob (Rubin)” cuts to entitlements such as Social Security and more NAFTA-type agreements. Looks like he's delivering on this one.
As Galbraith said, according to Lee Lochel, in the end the sum of Neo-Classical Economics is that the poor don’t work because they are paid too much and the rich don’t work because they are paid too little.
How long is it going to take white middle-class Americans to realize they’ve been had; how long before they fight back for a way of life that was unequaled around the world? Somebody has sold the white race a bill of goods. They can demonize you, but to criticize them is a hate crime. Wealth was to be generated from work and growth from investment of savings – not by government taking huge sums of money uinder taxation by force, central planning by money manipulators and welfare for imported low-wage labor working for the bankers and corporatists.
insurance companies are now sanctioned by the government to rape the middle class any which way they see fit. Thank you Mr Obama. No one can sell the middle class down the river as well as you do. What's next? Extending the bush tax cut for the wealthy while increasing age for social security eligibility?
How about Cal State or UCLA use some of it's endowment money instead of raising tuitions the next time a little more money is needed... oh wait....
If Obongo is trying to destroy this country as a sort of Manchurian candidate... he is really quite successful... since his records are sealed, and no whitey has the stones to make an issue of them... get ready for even more fun in the near future...
Perhaps he is just following in George Bush's footsteps. The groundwork for destruction of America was well in place after 8 years of war and borrow and spend. Not to mention a fincial system in collapse.
The Parties work in tandum. It is simply a god cop bad cop thing with both working for the same boss.
Fixing the blame on the axiom that everybody does it, first Bush now Obama, misses the story of the decade; namely, Obama is the agent who would destroy root and branch of the country that our Founders built. And that’s saying quite a lot.
Yes, he is a banker puppet but more, he is the predatory mob’s leader come to dismantle everything Jefferson and Madison built and remake a great country into a Third World swamp.
Bush is over; he was bad; he was dumb; he was molded; but he never set out to redo the basic concepts of America as Obama has. And Obama has the blessings of the bankers to do it.
not fair to either to give credit to one. This place is falling like any other empire. Like everything else modern, just faster with more global friends.
No Inflation anywhere in sight. What a scam this government is.
Good thing there's no law on the books that says you have to buy health insurance if you're healthy and don't need it. Oh wait. There is. Obama fixed it. The best fascist crony insider nation in the world... and probably ever.
Yep. It was a Obama decree. He just won the election and said, "everyone will buy insurance," and we're all under his command.
Sucks, huh?
You're only healthy until your luck runs out. Then, if you're uninsured, you may go bankrupt or become a "freeloader".