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The Gulag Ameripelago: US Incarceration Surpasses Russia's

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Remember when Americans used to mock Russia (f/k/a the USSR) for being one big Gulag prison colony? Those were the good days. One thing is sure: they no longer "hate us for our freedom." On the other hand, if instead of prison, one were to write in "minimum security, free room and board, out early for good behavior" (especially if the world's most famous hedge fund will fund all your cash needs for the rest of your life on the 'other side' just as we predicted three weeks ago), then they would certainly hate us for our benefits.


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Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:05 | 3061099 swissaustrian
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Long corrections corp. of America (CXW)

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:16 | 3061117 trav777
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We have 36M blacks and as many hispanics; what is Russia's excuse?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:17 | 3061125 drbill
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Azerbajian, Chechnya, etc.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:11 | 3061280 francis_sawyer
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How many bankers are among that prison population?... I guess if they were black bankers they'd be in jail, right Trav?...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:18 | 3061299 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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According to Trav black bankers should be in jail, because they're black.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:26 | 3061311 akak
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Well, just after they figure out how to invent the wheel and water systems, anyway, which according to Trav still has yet to happen.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:41 | 3061355 francis_sawyer
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Why would anyone need to invent the wheel or a water system?... I'm just waitin on my free OBAMAwheel & OBAMAwatersystem & erry thingz gonna be aight...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:10 | 3061444 The Alarmist
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It's not polite to refer to our new and improved gulag for what it really is ... we now refer to this system as our Agenda 21 Insourcing Initiative Re-training Centers.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:14 | 3061454 old naughty
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Congrats, for finally reaching the status of Evil Empire.

Or, is it the Evil-est of Empires?


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:38 | 3061817 flacon
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I live in Canada and I've never seen an African-Canadian. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:23 | 3061798 smiler03
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Trav?? His presence is already troubling you? Ha Ha Ha. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 06:46 | 3062092 flattrader
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and the reactors scrammed.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:25 | 3061312 economics9698
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Here is a good web site where the professor breaks through the PC crap and comes up with a lot of valuable information.  Something that is a must know if you live in urban areas.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:40 | 3061522 Spastica Rex
Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:17 | 3061130 Zap Powerz
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Is it racist if its true?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:20 | 3061135 drbill
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According to Obama and our MSM. Doubly so!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:27 | 3061154 Spastica Rex
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So it must be true if it's racist, right? By modus ponens, I think.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:17 | 3061390 TwoShortPlanks
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Black, White, Yellow, Red, Brown…you people think the powers that be give a flying fuck as to the colour of your skin…seriously?

This game’s about one thing and one thing only (write this fucker down in case your memory or IQ is all fucked up). This is ALL about ‘Controlling Power’, not money, not religion, not race, not sex, not anything other than C.P. And rest assured, that the smoke surrounding the Gold leasing antics of the Central Banks is part of the C.P. play. Control requires a medium with which to govern, and Gold looks to be the stick of choice. To destroy something which already exists requires huge force; I think Derivatives would do nicely. They’re playing for keeps people, and if they don’t get it peacefully, then they’ll do it with force.

NOTE: Gold isn’t being manipulated at all. Think about ALL that has happened over past 5 years pertaining to CME margins, Dodd-Frank, BIS rumours, Leasing etc. Join the dots. Do the Math. Gold, my friends, has been accumulated, hoarded, and is now being positioned, and there’s a world of difference! Please take the time to consider that statement very carefully.

NOTE 2.0: Goldman’s propaganda is aimed at enticing investors to sell into the Gold market, so there’s a high probability that there’s a squeeze on right now.

In regards to power: Oh the irony of Eyes Wide Shut...a movie about Kubrick crossing his own Ribicon. In real life, Kubrick trapped himself, just as Cruise's character Dr William Harford trapped himself in a secret world of power and protection (curiosity killed the Cat), as he then stumbles between choices which need to be made, for what is morally right, against that which is right in terms of survival.

Let me show you a few short clips: 

Here is Cruise and Kidman reliving what I believe was a point in time where - just as Cruise’s character in E.W.S. came to the realisation that there really were powers beyond his imagination (where jokes aren't funny anymore) - they both realised that Kubrick’s paranoia was not unfounded.

Watch how both Cruise and Kidman go from their usual ‘fake’ to very ‘real’ in just one simle question…effectively giving their only believable performances of their careers (with the exception of Les Grossman). And when two of the worst actors in history go from fake to real, you'd better investigate as to why....(Cruise has his moments I guess).

6min 51sec. Cruise, wondering how he should respond, so he doesn't say anything which will make him as dead as Kubrick.
7min 20sec. Cruise, discussing his anxiety; who's next?
7min 35sec. Cruise, questioning as to whether the movie (Kubrick) had gone too far?!
8min 0sec. Cruise, discussing the first stage of acceptance, denial. Not of Kubrick’s death, but that of the 'warning' which was sent out in the form of? Kubrick’s death. Confirming Cruise’s deepest fears; that Kubrick’s movie statement to the world was real and so too was his paranoia.
Kidman shitting herself at 14min 55sec onwards.

One thing I learned how to do quite well in the Army was to look through the foliage. This is the same thing; look through the financial noise to see the fundamentals and the game hidden in plain view...I'm no expert, just trying to use a bit of Common Dog Fuck.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:19 | 3061472 Spastica Rex
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I was being absurd. I thought it was obvious.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:21 | 3061483 TwoShortPlanks
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Sorry, wasn't replying to our post, just posting underneath. :)

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:36 | 3061513 Spastica Rex
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These discussions on race are always a hoot. ZH is batshit crazy.


No apology ever needed with me.


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:43 | 3061523 TwoShortPlanks
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Fuck-yeah! I absolutely LOVE winding fuckers up on rich environment. Hehehehe.

But in all seriousness....we're fucked! LOL

I'm only on ZH to get noticed by the Elites. You know, start my own religion, get invited to Eyes Wide Shut type parties, run some FEMA camps and stuff.....enjoy the little thing!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:50 | 3061536 TwoShortPlanks
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A few years ago I wrote a book on the parallels between particle physics, relativity, and spirituality....way better than the lame shit the Philosophical Society put out...kinda hoping it gets picked up as an Occult Cult.

*waiting for the incoming rounds*

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 07:44 | 3062124 Adahy
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I would be interested in reading said book.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:32 | 3061170 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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God fucking damn it you small brained idiots are so fucking retarded.  First blacks and hispanics are a lot poorer due to the fact that America has had a racial bias since its inception and when people are poor they tend to do a lot of things that the court system and law system (which were put in place by the rich) say are illegal.

Second police have a bias when looking for criminals and will pull blacks over a hell of a lot more than whites.  Then there is how rich people afford better lawyers, that the crimes of the rich go unpunished, and that 1/3 of US inmates are in for marijuana.

Oh but why don't you guys talk about jew alien lizard blood and how black brians are scientifically proved to be "smaller".

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:40 | 3061197 fourchan
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blacks, first mistake. mexicans second mistake.


these two groups should be directly charged for their brothers incarcerations, its only fair.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:11 | 3061774 Anusocracy
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It's the psychopaths in every group that are the problem.

Doesn't matter if it is a race, a nation, a religion, a business, or a family, there is a percentage of people that are not quite human.

A society that fails to isolate and exclude them will just continue to suffer from their actions.

Time for a new class in society: outcasts.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:44 | 3061208 lakecity55
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I heard it was a known fact that lighter-skinned Afros were smarter than darker Afros because they had more YT blood in them, thus making them more intelligent.

I wonder if this is true?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:31 | 3061503 Go Tribe
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I notice Boehner is darker than Obama.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 05:57 | 3062078 NoClueSneaker
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... he cries compassionately . Poor man is washed out .....

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:50 | 3061226 formadesika3
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<Is it racist if its true?>


What's a black brian? Is that like black irish?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:55 | 3061238 Spastica Rex
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Racism is religion. You can't argue with religion. It's like when I try to argue with my wife about Purgatory.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:15 | 3061294 OutLookingIn
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Welcome to the U.S.S.A.

Socialism gone crazy.

Backed up by your favorite facist authority.

You WILL OBEY or go to prison. Freedom? Not so much.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:43 | 3061360 francis_sawyer
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Arguing with your wife about anything is SELF IMPOSED Purgatory...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:28 | 3061316 formadesika3
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<Racism is religion.>

Something like that. The American peeple have lost critical thinking skills thanks to the American educational system. There was an excellent post on this subject at Archdruid Report today.

A dismal prospect for continuation of the Noble Experiment.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:29 | 3061811 smiler03
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Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:32 | 3061318 Insideher Trading
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The Great Separation, in which proto Whites left Africans behind, was a turning point in the upward evolution of Man. Have we reached another, downward, turning point


Only the most ambitious of the early humans in Africa possessed the curiosity to venture beyond their "comfort zone" and migrate out of the continent in search of new adventures and opportunities. It was this northward migration that exposed our progenitors to the new climates and environments that would guide their evolution. This was the historic moment that signaled the future birth of our race and all its advancements and the relatively backward nature of those tribes who remained in the tropics.

Leaving their predecessors behind, the fledgling stock pushed onward. Changing selection pressures would favor those mutations that bestowed upon the new stock reasoning abilities, deductive thinking, and logic. These traits would be necessary in order for the new breed of man, the White man, to survive the colder climates to the north.

The winter season brings new challenges and obstacles to the stock. For months at a time the fertile soil becomes a frozen, barren land, incapable of cultivation an inhospitable climate where even short exposures can quickly lead to frostbite and death. Gone were the days of endless warmth and pursuing only those behaviors that offered the reward of immediate gratification. The new breed needed to have the vision to see into the future and make plans ahead of time, if they were to survive.

Through a long and rigorous process, subsistence hunting and food gathering, and building temporary structures from mud or straw were replaced by agriculture, domestication of livestock, and true architecture. These are among hallmarks of civilization achieved by early Whites. And it was only when the fundamental problems of day to day survival had been solved that the mind could be free to ponder the higher things in life and the infinite possibilities of the future. A future with automobiles, refrigerators, television, radios, cell phones, satellites, and space travel. Look around you: the White man invented virtually everything you see.

The paucity of invention by sub Saharan Africans  it is virtually nil is evident. This lack of creative thinking is so because the Africans left behind did not follow the proto Whites along their migration routes out of Africa and hence did not evolve in the same way. It was the genetic response to the changing selection pressures generated by the exposure to the colder climates of the north that elicited the changes in the genome that made our race, civilization, and mighty technology possible.

To this day, the Blacks who remain in their cradle of comfort along the equatorial zones of the earth, as well as those transplanted around the world by slavery in recent centuries, remain several steps below the White men and women of the West in measured intelligence, self-restraint, civilized behavior, artistic and scientific accomplishments, and sexual morality.

Just as the transitions from ape like creatures to pre man and then to early African man were giant steps for mankind, so too was the transformation of early African man into the White European race during his aeons long journey to the north. It was Whites who gave us the architecture of the Parthenon, the Pantheon and St. Basil's cathedral, the music of Mozart and Beethoven, the artwork of Michelangelo and Monet, and the vision of Galileo. It was the vast collection of knowledge assimilated by the white European minds of scientists like Newton and Maxwell that gave us our vast understanding of chemistry and the laws of physics and all the power that implies. Meanwhile, the tribes of sub Saharan Africa, regardless of where they may have relocated in modern times, are still swatting flies and sacrificing chickens.

In some ways, slavery was the best thing that ever happened to the Blacks who never could have found their way to America (and the gravy train provided by guilt ridden Whites) on their own. Even today, native Blacks have never shown the capability to build a boat capable of crossing the Atlantic. Enslavement, torture, rape, and murder were hardly unique to the Black slaves taken to America such was the norm in Africa (most of the transported slaves were already slaves while there) and slavery remains an institution there to this day. In our world's rich history of war, every race has suffered brutal treatment, attempted genocide, and forced emigration at the hands of rival races and nations. Even today in Africa, Blacks are hunted down, raped, tortured, enslaved, and killed by the millions ?? at the hands of their own "brothers."

Here in America, Blacks enjoy ample food, clean water, and the opportunity for a good education, as well as the innumerable modern conveniences we all take for granted. Blacks get to be entertainment stars and athletes... but still, they complain about the White man. They riot in the streets and commit a disproportionately high amount of crime. Even very successful Blacks, who "have it all," like O. J. Simpson, Kobe Bryant, and Michael Jackson find it difficult to rise above their genetic propensity for violence or disrespect toward others. The savage behavior of Black sports stars toward White women is so legendary that it's become a part of folklore and taken almost for granted, as is the brutal deviant sexual behavior of Black men in prison, with young White males the usual victims.

Most alarming to decent Whites is the current push in America for White girls to misuse their wombs as cradles for primitive Congoid genes ?? instead of for the sacred purpose for which they were intended.

While such "mothers" are exalted by the Jewish media as shining beacons of light for a new, multiracial society, their children have been condemned to inherit genes hundreds of thousands of years behind those that built the West. They have been robbed of their genetic potential. The mother and her thousands of generations of ancestors' contribution to the forward evolution of life have come to a screeching halt. The African DNA wraps itself like a parasitic vine around the White helix, chocking the life out of it. This is an act of genocide against our people, and should be prosecuted as such.

Schools, under the thumb of our enemies or in the thrall of the "equality" religion, have relaxed academic eligibility requirements. They must eliminate all evidence of racial inequality and "close the education gap" between Whites and non?Whites ?? or risk losing funding. If we can't bring the minorities up to the achievement levels of the Whites, we'll bring the Whites down to their level. If we can't bring the bottom of the bell curve up, we'll bring the top down. That way, they'll all be equal ?? equally stupid.

 And is that not what we are seeing ?? not just in the schools, but everywhere in our society?

When you look around, do you see evidence that Blacks have conformed to White standards of culture, civility, and grace? ?? or do you see Whites conforming to Black norms of disrespect, crudity, ugliness, and ignorance? Do you see Black kids walking down the street dressed in fine clothes, listening to Mozart, and carrying their physics books? ?? or are you more likely to see White children wearing baggy gang clothes, listening to "rap," sporting multiple body piercings (an African custom), speaking Ebonics, with a concealed crack pipe in their pocket, and obsessed with empty, lower?than?animal sex?

On the whole, have the Whites influenced the Blacks in a positive direction, or have the Blacks influenced the Whites in a negative direction? Even if the answer is "some of both," there is no way to argue that we of the West have gained in any way by the association.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:33 | 3061332 economics9698
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We do not like cut and paste here.


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:15 | 3061364 francis_sawyer
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Yeah ~ What the fuck kind of Saul Alinsky bullshit is that anyway?...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:52 | 3061863 Matt
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Maybe the racial differences are not due to environment, but rather cross breeding. It seems Europeans' ancestors bred with Neanderthals. That's why they disappeared; we didn't kill them or out-compete them, we assimilated them. That's probably where the excess body hair comes from.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:49 | 3061365 francis_sawyer
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Why not just cut all the bullshit... Every slave that ever existed [after the time that 'slaves' were chattel acquired by military conquest], was SOLD into slavery... by... by... [insert answer here]... Note: it wasn't francis_sawyer...

Actually ~ Nowadays the process has become so refined that people VOLUNTARILY become slaves... You too can be a slave... Just keep lusting after those joobux...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:42 | 3061526 Spastica Rex
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Thanks for speaking for all of us.


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:48 | 3061377 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Insidertrading = Bob Dobalina, the same guy who had the blog where he used snapshots of free trading sites saying he moved $100k per trade.

Bob is an idiot and a liar.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:00 | 3061413 Insideher Trading
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What THE FUCK are you talking about?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:03 | 3061423 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You used to post under the name "Bob Dobalina" and you used to run a blog that showed screenshots of trades you did on free trading websites.

What did I not explain?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:17 | 3061460 Insideher Trading
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I never posted under that screen name.

Can you please explain what you're talking about? Or is this another one of your trolls?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:26 | 3061493 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Just shut up Bob.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:37 | 3061516 Go Tribe
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Alright, so the Africans stayed behind and lost out on wooly mammoth fashions and cave painting. But they maintained one evolutionary advantage they can leverage beyond almost any technological advantage whites may have developed - big cocks.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:54 | 3061554 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Bob you are so weird.  You even know studies about black people's dicks.  Fucking weirdo.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:05 | 3061597 Insideher Trading
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I never mentioned "black peoples dicks" studies.

I have no idea why you're even responding to my posts.


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:27 | 3061808 Nick Jihad
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The really funny thing about this, is that sub-Saharan African societies are almost universally matriarchal. Although, my alternative hypothesis is that Northern European humans self-selected for small penises, because a frost-bitten penis is evolutionarlily disadvantageous! :-)


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:31 | 3061678 Tommy Gunner
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The Israeli General's Son (forward this to everyone please)

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:59 | 3061731 Alexandre Stavisky
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Eyes wide shut?

Eyes are the windows to the soul and the first aperature that all the deadly sins enter.  Greed, lust, envy, strife, gluttony, etc.  They are the sense by which value is calculated.  They, colored like jewels, respond to jewels, discriminating them from sand, grime, or even the entirely unnoticeable.

Ancient priests once wore a breastplate full of jewels.  Each precious stone had an individual characteristic.  That stone was to represent a certain segment of mankind society or maybe just a special tribe.  Robes were also worn.  With deep color to provoke the eye to an remembrance of its wearer's power(s).  Called an ephod.

Ancient egypt had a pyramid, where the capstone stood upon the entire base and other structure.  It was assumed that the capstone had occupied each of the earlier space so as to inherit its preeminence by full knowledge.  So too the special robes worn.  One of many colours would convey that the person was especially gifted, perhaps with all the colors of jewels, or all the shades of ability.

The many tribes which inhabit the earth have their many distinctions.  It is not happenstance, or melanin, or long evolving organic inconsequential glob under the sun and moon.  No, it is a caste, a pronouncement of the wearer of THIS robe, in THIS place, on this blue planet.  It is a robe bestowed by the great Creator and to those whose eyes are wide open, and can see, it is to help discriminate between men.  Not just apparel.  Robes, aprons, uniforms, placardies, orphneys, fruit salad ribbons, epaulets, awards, decorations, special mentions--just not worn prominent.

The open secret.  Old Testament stuff.  Riches and acquisition is part of it.  Wisdom and attainment another.  Comeliness, ettiquette, extreme grace in body and spirit, another.

Then again, perhaps we're just very elevated worms and this mudpit is a transience before the great nothing.

The greatest treasure comes from a man born in a cattle stall in greatest humility, hunted for his life by Herod, dressed in rags, and destined to be despised by the very tribe he was born to be King to.  The greatest of all must ascend from the most humiliation, having suffered by drinking from the bitter cup to the uttermost dregs.  Servant unto the least, becomes greatest of all.  Seek...and all these things shall be added unto you.

See, discriminate wisely.  Or be blind.

We play at paste,
Till qualified for pearl,
Then quit the paste,
And deem ourself a fool.
The shapes, though, were similar,
And our new hands
Learned gem-tactics
Practicing sands.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:14 | 3083667 QQQBall
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You're kidding, right? There is nothing wrong with a bias if it is based on fact. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:33 | 3061179 trollin4sukrz
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36M blacks and as many hispanics; 


err dont you mean niggerz and spicz?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:45 | 3061212 A Nanny Moose
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...who are more frequently incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses, than whites.

..and then they came for you Trav, and nobody will fucking speak for you dickhead.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:47 | 3061220 A Nanny Moose
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Neither do Mexico, or Brazil, right? Did you even look at the fucking chart?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:05 | 3061261 Stuck on Zero
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Illegal immigrants and recent legal immigrants have filled our prisons.  Mexico and South America are smart enough to send us their criminals.


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:09 | 3061277 trollin4sukrz
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Castro dumped his criminals on us as well.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:28 | 3061319 economics9698
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I saw that, you know the movie...Scarface.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:24 | 3061486 rwe2late
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  Actually, incarceration rates are due to USA "drug war" and immigration laws.

but don't let the facts get in the way of your ignorance...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:47 | 3061221 ball-and-chain
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The problem isn't color.

It's drugs.  We need to legalize them.

We have a prison industrial complex.

People are making money off incarceration.

It's a crying shame.

Say no to fascism.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:30 | 3061321 economics9698
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I second that but some groups are 6.5 times more likely to commit violent crimes.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:33 | 3061331 akak
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Now you leave the central banksters out of this!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:32 | 3061821 Nick Jihad
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That is the sad reality, which the MSM would like to hide from us.  If the phrase "christian newsom" doesn't mean anything to you, google it, and wonder why you never heard about this crime.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:50 | 3061381 VisualCSharp
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Downvoted for continual shitty blog spam.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:15 | 3061629 venturen
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I've lived where they are legal...and believe me that isn't the answer!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:05 | 3061260 Chuck Walla
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We have 36M blacks and as many hispanics; what is Russia's excuse?

The Russe aren't so sensitive as Americans. They kill criminals in the streets with little regard for bystanders or much of anything else. Keeps the prisons a little less crowded.


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:26 | 3061313 ultimate warrior
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Drug laws effect minorities more so than whites but the immoral and unconstitutional drug laws are the major contributing factor for our high incarceration rate. If we didn't lock people up for non violent crimes like drug use/production we would save billions and be a little more free but....that's not what our overlords want for us. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:46 | 3061372 Gmpx
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Russia's excuse is vodka. I am not joking.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:55 | 3061867 Cliff Claven Cheers
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trav777 -- look what the cat dragged in.  Where the fuck you been.  Did the Tylers finally turn your avatar back on?  They shut down my sock puppet handle for good. sniff, sniff.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 09:08 | 3062224 Louie the Dog
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We have 36M blacks and as many hispanics; what is Russia's excuse?



Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:19 | 3061133 sunaJ
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I heard that if they did even one criminal indictment of HSBC personnel, a fairy would lose its wings, so clap your hands with enthusiasm, Ladies and Gentlemen, to keep this journey to Neverland going!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:33 | 3061180 Bunga Bunga
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If corporations are people, why they're not in jail?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:55 | 3061225 Bunga Bunga
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If these bankers were in the US they still would be free people. Jailing honorable bankers, what a banana republic that Germany is.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:51 | 3061383 francis_sawyer
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Did you check their skin color?...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:42 | 3061288 sunaJ
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The Department of "Justice", in its press conference this week announcing the hand-slap that was the corporate fine charged to HSBC (to be paid by shareholders), told us brazenly and precisely why HSBC was not criminally charged: that it could possibly cause falling confidence in a still fragile economy.  I suppose there is much less danger of negative impacts to the economy if you only jail drug users and the like.  As I listened to the press conference, the first image that popped into my head as Mr. DOJ Douchebag presented his analysis for forgoing criminal charges, was that of a hostage taker (ie. terrorist) holding a gun to the head of some defenseless young lass, which in my mind's eye represented our economy.

In no situation do you ever walk away or drop your gun, Mr. DOJ Douchebag (what kind of law enforcement officer are you?).  You shoot the fucking hostage taker first chance you get.  Too Big to Fail, Too Big to Jail -second verse, same as the first - catch phrases that are used to dismiss justice and promulgate the fraudulent status quo.


Also alleged in the filing documents is that HSBC personnel knew they were violating the Trading With the Enemy Act and laundering money - to the tune of $800 Million for the Sinaloa Cartel in Mexico (approx $9 Billion total, including laundering for Iran).  How many dead bodies did that buy for our neighbor to the south, I wonder?  It's the same world as in 2008.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:36 | 3061340 Chupacabra-322
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Max Keiser coined the term "Casino Gulag" headed by the Fascist Correction Core Corp.  I see why.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 08:35 | 3062167 midtowng
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Exactly how are we the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave we we lock up more people than any other nation?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 08:40 | 3062170 overmedicatedun...
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no comment needed:

"A federal jury on Friday found a former Pennsylvania judge guilty in a so-called kids-for-cash scheme, in which he took money in exchange for sending juvenile offenders to for-profit detention centers. 

Former Luzerne County Judge Mark Ciavarella Jr. was accused of taking $2.8 million in bribes and kickbacks for putting juveniles into detention centers owned by friends.


The jury in Scranton found him guilty of racketeering, money-laundering conspiracy, fraud and filing false income tax returns."

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:06 | 3061100 A Lunatic
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Filled with people with nothing to hide.......

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:11 | 3061108 swissaustrian
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And people the government wants to hide like Bernard von Nothaus or Irwin Schiff.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:21 | 3061138 nmewn
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"Filled with people with nothing to hide......."

They're workin on it Lunatic...they're workin on it.

"In other words, the public can't know until after the measure becomes law just how wide a digital net the government will actually require automakers to cast with the EDRs."

Now where have we heard that before? ;-)


"Cooper points to multiple areas in which privacy concerns could be lost.

"The EDRs, if made mandatory, will provide a wide open door to the comings and goings of every American," he said."

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:33 | 3061177 A Lunatic
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There was a time not so long ago that one was entitled to a speedy trial, with a fully informed (very important, that) jury of your peers that had had the authority to judge the merit and application of the "law itself.........

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:36 | 3061188 Fredo Corleone
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Now, a Chateau d'If in every county.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:40 | 3061192 SgtShaftoe
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Problem: Electronic Data Recorder


Just fry it out.  No big deal.  Anytime gov makes technology mandatory, there's an easy work around.  RFID passports - 5 seconds in the microwave should do the trick just fine.  The thing is, people in government think technology is fucking magical.  Even their super surveillance system has problems - the problem with big data: the more data you collect, the lower your signal/noise becomes.  Collect away boys, collect away.  I'll even email you pictures of my poo:

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:06 | 3061265 General Decline
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Try putting your license plate renewal sticker in the microwave.  I would never do that to my passport. It would make it a real pain in the ass at the airport.  They already know who I am anyway.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:21 | 3061306 SgtShaftoe
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you know, some people are taking microwaves apart, bolting on a waveguide to the magnetron, hooking them up to a battery and aiming them at sensitive electronic devices.  t'would be a shame if traffic cameras and license plate scanners were destroyed in that way, an absolute shame, and dangerous.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:07 | 3061606 Cathartes Aura
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you have me grinnin' Sgt.

those new biometric driving licenses cook up real fine in about 5 seconds too. . .

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:14 | 3061291 nmewn
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Of course thats everyones first thought, fry is our property afterall.

The real issue is them doing it through the regulatory process. It was a request from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and approved by O'Barry...the most transparent administration...evah! ;-)

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:33 | 3061689 Real Estate Geek
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the EDR is combined with the computer that deploys the airbags. For that exact reason.l

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:08 | 3061104 swissaustrian
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Seems like Switzerland is a very boring place...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:16 | 3061124 drbill
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And everyone owns a gun in Switzerland...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:07 | 3061432 swissaustrian
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That's a giant myth, believe me I'm Swiss. Our gun laws are much more restrictive than US gun laws. We have military that's organized as a militia but the general population is pretty much disarmed. There is nothing like the 2nd amendment over here. I needed to get excessive training and certification to be able to own handguns and rifles.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:12 | 3061620 Ropingdown
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If you are Swiss and live in Switzerland and yet you believe that "the general poplulation is pretty much disarmed" then you must live in a cave.  Gun ownership for sporting purposes (target shooting, trap, hunting) is very common.  I'm not Swiss, but my Swiss friends and my travel experience make it very clear that you are wrong.  Even the number of handguns in private hands is still very large, though there are limits on carrying.  Giant myth? Each of the men I know who completed their years of reserve duty kept their rifles, altered to fire semi-auto only.  Disarmed?  No.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:11 | 3061106 Texas Ginslinger
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When things start falling apart rapidly, prison may be a safer place for some, with a warm bed and 3 meals a day.....


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:16 | 3061118 drbill
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Until they can't feed you any more...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:16 | 3061119 cougar_w
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Well, if you think of prisons as castles, and the bad asses in them as Feudal lords with recent on-the-job training, you might be right.

But I wouldn't want to be sitting in prison when the prison guards leave the place unattended because shit has gone south and they want to be with their families. That is going to be some wild and crazy cage match as the crazy fuckers of the world decide in a night who gets to run Barter Town.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:13 | 3061109 cougar_w
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Becoming "prison nation" is in alignment with several important Statist goals; 1) getting everyone comfortable with State dependence no matter what kind, 2) keeping everyone locked into as many self-defeating behavioral ruts as possible, and 3) having multiple "safety nets" so that no segment of society ever falls so low into self destruction that they risk upsetting the national equilibrium with their antics.

Democracy has become messy. People need to have someone think for them otherwise all kinds of crazy shit can happen

And crazy shit (AKA the well informed act of any intelligent individual) is a problem for any well-ordered State.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:16 | 3061123 trav777
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Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:18 | 3061127 cougar_w
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but that's raciss

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:20 | 3061137 Zap Powerz
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Even if its true?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:27 | 3061149 General Decline
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Even if it is true, it is still double negetive bad to say so...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:31 | 3061175 Zap Powerz
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Does that mean if you say bad things that are true then you go on double secret probation?

I have a hard time keeping track of all the new rules to this wondeful, peaceful, honest, respectful, consistent society we live in.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:55 | 3061394 francis_sawyer
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Snake Plissken doesn't give a fuck about your war, or your black President...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:26 | 3061152 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You must not spend any time in poor white neighborhoods because there is plenty of crime done by whites.  Or maybe you spend all of your time in poor white neighborhoods and just have a bias.  Either way, you are a fucking retard.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:34 | 3061181 Zap Powerz
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Is it a true statement or not that if there were fewer blacks and hispanics in the USA there would be fewer blacks and hispanics in prison?


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:57 | 3061229 trollin4sukrz
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Is it a true statement or not that if there were fewer blacks and hispanics in the USA there would be fewer blacks and hispanics in prison?

Emm let me think.. ummm ahhhh 33 times 16 niggerz divided by a bushel of spicz plus some lowlife fvkin banker kikes = we r fvked.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 08:44 | 3062175 Arthur Borges
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It is a true statement that if there were fewer people in the USA, there would be fewer people in prison.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:32 | 3061328 Ness.
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You must have never spent any time in Chicago.  

"The city may be nearly 2,000 miles from Mexico, but the country’s drug cartels are so deeply embedded in Chicago that local and federal law enforcement are forced to operate as if they are “on the border,” according to Jack Riley, special agent in charge for the Chicago Field Division of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).  Because of Chicago’s location in the heart of the United States, its large Mexican population and its abundance of street gang activity, drug cartels have designated the city as one of its main hubs of operation in America"

"My opinion is, right now, a number of the Mexican cartels are probably the most organized, well-funded, vicious criminal organizations that we’ve ever seen,” said Riley.

Right now, at least three major Mexican cartels are fighting for control of billions of dollars worth of marijuana, cocaine and heroin in Chicago. That includes the ruthless Zetas and the powerful Sinaloa cartel, run by Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, arguably the most wanted man in North America, and perhaps the entire world."

"The drug cartels from Mexico have found willing business partners in more than 100,000 “documented” street gang members in Chicago. The cartel operatives hide in plain sight, within the crowds of millions of hardworking Mexican citizens living in the city."

"Overall, police records indicate Chicago’s murder rate is up 31 percent from 2011."

"Chicago Sun-Times reported on Aug. 31 that at least 82 people were injured or killed in shootings within a one week period, 10 in one night alone."

"SPRINGFIELD — The Illinois Senate today approved legislation that would allow tens of thousands of illegal immigrants to have special drivers licenses, but the bill’s fate in the House is still up in the air.

The proposal, sponsored by Senate President John Cullerton, D-Chicago, would allow an estimated 250,000 undocumented immigrants in Illinois to be eligible for the special, three-year licenses to drive a vehicle."



Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:44 | 3061366 Oldwood
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You seem to have a lower opinion of whites than blacks. Does that make you a racist?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:38 | 3061838 Nick Jihad
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Either way, you are a fucking retard.

Yeah, right. I admire your idealism, but the facts are most definitely not on your side. Which you implicitly admit, by resorting to ad-hominem.


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:36 | 3061186 Dr. Engali
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It's easy to commit a hell of a lot of crime when everything is crimminalized.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:41 | 3061200 fonzannoon
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@ Doc and Mr. LH etc. These threads turn my stomach. This is where you realize that not everyone is on the same page and some people are seriously disturbed. I wonder if it has contributed to some of the people I used to like engaging with on here having seemingly gone away.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:49 | 3061227 Dr. Engali
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I agree. When the Jew bashers or the race haters of any sort come out I can't stand it. It makes it difficult to have a reasonable discussion about the topic. I'm sure that turns a lot of people off from commenting.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:00 | 3061250 A Lunatic
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Some posters are definitely worthy of receiving the death penalty......

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:04 | 3061256 trollin4sukrz
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"Some posters are definitely worthy of receiving the death penalty......" says A Lunatic Judge.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:07 | 3061270 A Lunatic
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You are a prime candidate, as you are nothing more than a pathetic, juvenile, Troll. How's that for judgment ;)

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:14 | 3061290 SgtShaftoe
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when they came for the race baiters, I said nothing... actually, no I laughed, heartily.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:17 | 3061297 trollin4sukrz
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Troll? How dare you call me a tro.. oh wait,, err emmm *sigh*

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:59 | 3061406 Iocosus
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Wow, you just Belafonted us with that statement Lunatic

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:05 | 3061264 NoDebt
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Also agree.  Pretty nasty comments in this one.

Can you feel what could bubble to the surface when the current regime loses it's grip?  This kinda stuff.

Makes one want to redouble their efforts to avoid the complete collapse we're currently heading for and find, perhaps, a more rational solution.  Chaos only feels good in the beginning.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:59 | 3061410 francis_sawyer
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There's always HuffPo, & Wonderwall for the faint of heart...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:07 | 3061269 formadesika3
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fonzanoon, Dr Engali,

Don't go away. You have to counter the ignorance.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:05 | 3061431 francis_sawyer
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If understanding that the banking, entertainment, & political lobby industries are soaked in a ridiculously higher percentage of folks who proudly consider themselves 'jews' is IGNORANT, then I stand accused...

If understanding that any given MONOPOLY who holds power in those 3 key power nodes is unhealthy... Then call me ignorant...

If I'm sick & tired of seeing humanity raped by special interests... Then, as you suggest, I'm ignorant...

Sorry!... I'm sad that I ruined your day...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:55 | 3061544 formadesika3
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I didn't even have you in mind but if you want to put yourself in that category, fine.

As for the jews, I don't resent their success IF it's not the result of cronyism. (True, it's a stretch).

As for the zionists among them, I most definitely DO resent their influence.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:37 | 3061836 smiler03
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I would go away. I keep trying too. But.. then the likes of  akak/kaka keep coming along and gets ++++ points for insulting people in the lowliest ways possible.

ZH is turning to shit.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 09:03 | 3062213 Arthur Borges
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Yes, a bit of a stretch: if I'm looking for a job and you give it to your brother, it's cronyism but if I hire my brother, it's called "taking care of the family". But yes, we can all do without extremists.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:07 | 3061603 WTFx10
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Yes, like getting rid of debt with more debt.

Its not the bankers fault that most of them are jewish they were born that way. They still belong in Jail send them to the West Bank thats a pretty big Jail.

fonzanoon, Dr Engali, u can leave anytime you want.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:48 | 3061376 Oldwood
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Not to make excuses for idiots, but my sense is that political correctness has caused a lot of pent up racial frustration that kind of blows out here. Obama is the poster child for this where no one can criticise on any level without being a racist. Makes me want to use the "N" word constantly at the top of my voice...but I don't.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 05:06 | 3062061 BorisTheBlade
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Divide and conquer. Whenever the real issue comes up, the one that touches somebody's bottom line a bit too much, just wait for the moment some fella shows up to disrupt it and sideline the argument. Jews vs Goyim, Whites vs Blacks, Red vs Blue, Religion vs Atheism. Anything, whatever it takes to keep people tearing each others throats and not looking at the real problem, just pour the gasoline on fire.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:02 | 3061247 cougar_w
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...I wonder if it has contributed...

Of course it has.

Most of us hold few strong opinions, so it doesn't matter how we communicate them. Those that do have strong opinions but poor communication skills quickly take over everything they touch with their monotonous mental violence. I have wandered away from ZH a few times, and I have come back under a different account too. These days I am disengaged for the most part; I read without much comment and usually no argument at all, posting and then leaving a thread not to return.

And then I take my thoughts elsewhere. Have you seen my ZH fiction section? Inspired from the start by events I learn about on ZH first:

That is my personal escape from too much verbal violence, to create a closed world where I can methodically devour the insanity I cannot otherwise escape.

Yes that too is violence, though also a refined kind of therapy turns out. I recommend it if you have any knack for writing.


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:16 | 3061296 fonzannoon
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Thanks Couger and Forma.

Couger thanks for the link I will def have a look.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:26 | 3061314 Zap Powerz
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maybe they are just kidding?

Some really sarcastic senses of humor here at ZH.  Unless its finance, economics or the zombie apocalypse as the topic, I just assume everyone is being sarcastic.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:43 | 3061848 smiler03
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Well you're the guy who says he pays 6 figures in tax and wants everybody on foodstamps to fight for their lives. So excuse me for thinking that you are NOT being sarcastic. Or maybe you are just a lying cunt like most of those here?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:43 | 3061203 chiswickcat
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Or, a lot of white judges. Let's get some of the financial crime in perspective. I don't think too many black or hispanics were responsible for robo signing, LIBOR manip, creation of derivatives, got any bail out money, or are responsible for banking fruad (except the London Whale... and he was a scapegoat) Just think about who defines 'crime'. A few joints, some recreational drugs sold and bam, put in the slammer. Not as if bankers and Hollywood darlings are not users/dealers. Don't get me started on corporate price fixing and how much that rips off everyone. We are comparing a few millions of dollars worht of crime, compared to trillions and even quadrillions. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:52 | 3061388 Oldwood
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And yet I hear of no prosecutions for identity theft or IRS audits of illegals. Our problem is a broken legal system that enforces laws on the whim of government employees from the president on down. No justice.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:13 | 3061455 skipjack
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Let's see, let's try two words: Franklin Raines...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:39 | 3061349 psychobilly
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Your typical stormfront bottom-feeder (authority-worshipping, collectivist trash, e.g., "trav") responds to a police state by rolling over on his back, wagging his tail, urinating on his own belly, and looking for a hand to lick.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:15 | 3061457 LeisureSmith
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Trav, you get top marks for consistency. You also have a keen sense of "smell", whenever silver takes a dump you're always nearby. A sort of weather vane or weathercock to show us which way the wind is blowing. Good stuff.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:21 | 3061473 akak
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"Whether vain or whether cock" ---- yep, that pretty much sums up our Trav.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:46 | 3061852 smiler03
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Well kaka, you are stupid enough to think Trav is real, no surprise there.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:14 | 3061115 drbill
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Not sure how, but I'm pretty sure this has to be some sort of economic stimulus?!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:16 | 3061120 vitoox
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Vladimir Bukovsky now sounds like US=USSR. Watch it 101 times before Christmas.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:17 | 3061129 1100-TACTICAL-12
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probably 80% drug related. Hell Ben Franklin did hookers & blow.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:18 | 3061131 Lendo
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So the war on drugs is working then?



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