The Gulag Ameripelago: US Incarceration Surpasses Russia's

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Remember when Americans used to mock Russia (f/k/a the USSR) for being one big Gulag prison colony? Those were the good days. One thing is sure: they no longer "hate us for our freedom." On the other hand, if instead of prison, one were to write in "minimum security, free room and board, out early for good behavior" (especially if the world's most famous hedge fund will fund all your cash needs for the rest of your life on the 'other side' just as we predicted three weeks ago), then they would certainly hate us for our benefits.

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Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:16 | 3061118 drbill
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Until they can't feed you any more...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:16 | 3061119 cougar_w
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Well, if you think of prisons as castles, and the bad asses in them as Feudal lords with recent on-the-job training, you might be right.

But I wouldn't want to be sitting in prison when the prison guards leave the place unattended because shit has gone south and they want to be with their families. That is going to be some wild and crazy cage match as the crazy fuckers of the world decide in a night who gets to run Barter Town.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:13 | 3061109 cougar_w
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Becoming "prison nation" is in alignment with several important Statist goals; 1) getting everyone comfortable with State dependence no matter what kind, 2) keeping everyone locked into as many self-defeating behavioral ruts as possible, and 3) having multiple "safety nets" so that no segment of society ever falls so low into self destruction that they risk upsetting the national equilibrium with their antics.

Democracy has become messy. People need to have someone think for them otherwise all kinds of crazy shit can happen

And crazy shit (AKA the well informed act of any intelligent individual) is a problem for any well-ordered State.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:16 | 3061123 trav777
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Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:18 | 3061127 cougar_w
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but that's raciss

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:20 | 3061137 Zap Powerz
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Even if its true?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:27 | 3061149 General Decline
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Even if it is true, it is still double negetive bad to say so...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:31 | 3061175 Zap Powerz
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Does that mean if you say bad things that are true then you go on double secret probation?

I have a hard time keeping track of all the new rules to this wondeful, peaceful, honest, respectful, consistent society we live in.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:55 | 3061394 francis_sawyer
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Snake Plissken doesn't give a fuck about your war, or your black President...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:26 | 3061152 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You must not spend any time in poor white neighborhoods because there is plenty of crime done by whites.  Or maybe you spend all of your time in poor white neighborhoods and just have a bias.  Either way, you are a fucking retard.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:34 | 3061181 Zap Powerz
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Is it a true statement or not that if there were fewer blacks and hispanics in the USA there would be fewer blacks and hispanics in prison?


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:57 | 3061229 trollin4sukrz
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Is it a true statement or not that if there were fewer blacks and hispanics in the USA there would be fewer blacks and hispanics in prison?

Emm let me think.. ummm ahhhh 33 times 16 niggerz divided by a bushel of spicz plus some lowlife fvkin banker kikes = we r fvked.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 08:44 | 3062175 Arthur Borges
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It is a true statement that if there were fewer people in the USA, there would be fewer people in prison.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:32 | 3061328 Ness.
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You must have never spent any time in Chicago.  

"The city may be nearly 2,000 miles from Mexico, but the country’s drug cartels are so deeply embedded in Chicago that local and federal law enforcement are forced to operate as if they are “on the border,” according to Jack Riley, special agent in charge for the Chicago Field Division of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).  Because of Chicago’s location in the heart of the United States, its large Mexican population and its abundance of street gang activity, drug cartels have designated the city as one of its main hubs of operation in America"

"My opinion is, right now, a number of the Mexican cartels are probably the most organized, well-funded, vicious criminal organizations that we’ve ever seen,” said Riley.

Right now, at least three major Mexican cartels are fighting for control of billions of dollars worth of marijuana, cocaine and heroin in Chicago. That includes the ruthless Zetas and the powerful Sinaloa cartel, run by Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, arguably the most wanted man in North America, and perhaps the entire world."

"The drug cartels from Mexico have found willing business partners in more than 100,000 “documented” street gang members in Chicago. The cartel operatives hide in plain sight, within the crowds of millions of hardworking Mexican citizens living in the city."

"Overall, police records indicate Chicago’s murder rate is up 31 percent from 2011."

"Chicago Sun-Times reported on Aug. 31 that at least 82 people were injured or killed in shootings within a one week period, 10 in one night alone."

"SPRINGFIELD — The Illinois Senate today approved legislation that would allow tens of thousands of illegal immigrants to have special drivers licenses, but the bill’s fate in the House is still up in the air.

The proposal, sponsored by Senate President John Cullerton, D-Chicago, would allow an estimated 250,000 undocumented immigrants in Illinois to be eligible for the special, three-year licenses to drive a vehicle."



Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:44 | 3061366 Oldwood
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You seem to have a lower opinion of whites than blacks. Does that make you a racist?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:38 | 3061838 Nick Jihad
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Either way, you are a fucking retard.

Yeah, right. I admire your idealism, but the facts are most definitely not on your side. Which you implicitly admit, by resorting to ad-hominem.


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:36 | 3061186 Dr. Engali
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It's easy to commit a hell of a lot of crime when everything is crimminalized.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:41 | 3061200 fonzannoon
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@ Doc and Mr. LH etc. These threads turn my stomach. This is where you realize that not everyone is on the same page and some people are seriously disturbed. I wonder if it has contributed to some of the people I used to like engaging with on here having seemingly gone away.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:49 | 3061227 Dr. Engali
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I agree. When the Jew bashers or the race haters of any sort come out I can't stand it. It makes it difficult to have a reasonable discussion about the topic. I'm sure that turns a lot of people off from commenting.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:00 | 3061250 A Lunatic
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Some posters are definitely worthy of receiving the death penalty......

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:04 | 3061256 trollin4sukrz
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"Some posters are definitely worthy of receiving the death penalty......" says A Lunatic Judge.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:07 | 3061270 A Lunatic
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You are a prime candidate, as you are nothing more than a pathetic, juvenile, Troll. How's that for judgment ;)

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:14 | 3061290 SgtShaftoe
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when they came for the race baiters, I said nothing... actually, no I laughed, heartily.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:17 | 3061297 trollin4sukrz
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Troll? How dare you call me a tro.. oh wait,, err emmm *sigh*

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:59 | 3061406 Iocosus
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Wow, you just Belafonted us with that statement Lunatic

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:05 | 3061264 NoDebt
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Also agree.  Pretty nasty comments in this one.

Can you feel what could bubble to the surface when the current regime loses it's grip?  This kinda stuff.

Makes one want to redouble their efforts to avoid the complete collapse we're currently heading for and find, perhaps, a more rational solution.  Chaos only feels good in the beginning.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:59 | 3061410 francis_sawyer
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There's always HuffPo, & Wonderwall for the faint of heart...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:07 | 3061269 formadesika3
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fonzanoon, Dr Engali,

Don't go away. You have to counter the ignorance.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:05 | 3061431 francis_sawyer
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If understanding that the banking, entertainment, & political lobby industries are soaked in a ridiculously higher percentage of folks who proudly consider themselves 'jews' is IGNORANT, then I stand accused...

If understanding that any given MONOPOLY who holds power in those 3 key power nodes is unhealthy... Then call me ignorant...

If I'm sick & tired of seeing humanity raped by special interests... Then, as you suggest, I'm ignorant...

Sorry!... I'm sad that I ruined your day...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:55 | 3061544 formadesika3
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I didn't even have you in mind but if you want to put yourself in that category, fine.

As for the jews, I don't resent their success IF it's not the result of cronyism. (True, it's a stretch).

As for the zionists among them, I most definitely DO resent their influence.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:37 | 3061836 smiler03
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I would go away. I keep trying too. But.. then the likes of  akak/kaka keep coming along and gets ++++ points for insulting people in the lowliest ways possible.

ZH is turning to shit.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 09:03 | 3062213 Arthur Borges
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Yes, a bit of a stretch: if I'm looking for a job and you give it to your brother, it's cronyism but if I hire my brother, it's called "taking care of the family". But yes, we can all do without extremists.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 22:07 | 3061603 WTFx10
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Yes, like getting rid of debt with more debt.

Its not the bankers fault that most of them are jewish they were born that way. They still belong in Jail send them to the West Bank thats a pretty big Jail.

fonzanoon, Dr Engali, u can leave anytime you want.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:48 | 3061376 Oldwood
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Not to make excuses for idiots, but my sense is that political correctness has caused a lot of pent up racial frustration that kind of blows out here. Obama is the poster child for this where no one can criticise on any level without being a racist. Makes me want to use the "N" word constantly at the top of my voice...but I don't.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 05:06 | 3062061 BorisTheBlade
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Divide and conquer. Whenever the real issue comes up, the one that touches somebody's bottom line a bit too much, just wait for the moment some fella shows up to disrupt it and sideline the argument. Jews vs Goyim, Whites vs Blacks, Red vs Blue, Religion vs Atheism. Anything, whatever it takes to keep people tearing each others throats and not looking at the real problem, just pour the gasoline on fire.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:02 | 3061247 cougar_w
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...I wonder if it has contributed...

Of course it has.

Most of us hold few strong opinions, so it doesn't matter how we communicate them. Those that do have strong opinions but poor communication skills quickly take over everything they touch with their monotonous mental violence. I have wandered away from ZH a few times, and I have come back under a different account too. These days I am disengaged for the most part; I read without much comment and usually no argument at all, posting and then leaving a thread not to return.

And then I take my thoughts elsewhere. Have you seen my ZH fiction section? Inspired from the start by events I learn about on ZH first:

That is my personal escape from too much verbal violence, to create a closed world where I can methodically devour the insanity I cannot otherwise escape.

Yes that too is violence, though also a refined kind of therapy turns out. I recommend it if you have any knack for writing.


Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:16 | 3061296 fonzannoon
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Thanks Couger and Forma.

Couger thanks for the link I will def have a look.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:26 | 3061314 Zap Powerz
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maybe they are just kidding?

Some really sarcastic senses of humor here at ZH.  Unless its finance, economics or the zombie apocalypse as the topic, I just assume everyone is being sarcastic.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:43 | 3061848 smiler03
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Well you're the guy who says he pays 6 figures in tax and wants everybody on foodstamps to fight for their lives. So excuse me for thinking that you are NOT being sarcastic. Or maybe you are just a lying cunt like most of those here?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:43 | 3061203 chiswickcat
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Or, a lot of white judges. Let's get some of the financial crime in perspective. I don't think too many black or hispanics were responsible for robo signing, LIBOR manip, creation of derivatives, got any bail out money, or are responsible for banking fruad (except the London Whale... and he was a scapegoat) Just think about who defines 'crime'. A few joints, some recreational drugs sold and bam, put in the slammer. Not as if bankers and Hollywood darlings are not users/dealers. Don't get me started on corporate price fixing and how much that rips off everyone. We are comparing a few millions of dollars worht of crime, compared to trillions and even quadrillions. 

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:52 | 3061388 Oldwood
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And yet I hear of no prosecutions for identity theft or IRS audits of illegals. Our problem is a broken legal system that enforces laws on the whim of government employees from the president on down. No justice.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:13 | 3061455 skipjack
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Let's see, let's try two words: Franklin Raines...

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:39 | 3061349 psychobilly
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Your typical stormfront bottom-feeder (authority-worshipping, collectivist trash, e.g., "trav") responds to a police state by rolling over on his back, wagging his tail, urinating on his own belly, and looking for a hand to lick.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:15 | 3061457 LeisureSmith
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Trav, you get top marks for consistency. You also have a keen sense of "smell", whenever silver takes a dump you're always nearby. A sort of weather vane or weathercock to show us which way the wind is blowing. Good stuff.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 21:21 | 3061473 akak
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"Whether vain or whether cock" ---- yep, that pretty much sums up our Trav.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 23:46 | 3061852 smiler03
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Well kaka, you are stupid enough to think Trav is real, no surprise there.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:14 | 3061115 drbill
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Not sure how, but I'm pretty sure this has to be some sort of economic stimulus?!

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:16 | 3061120 vitoox
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Vladimir Bukovsky now sounds like US=USSR. Watch it 101 times before Christmas.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:17 | 3061129 1100-TACTICAL-12
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probably 80% drug related. Hell Ben Franklin did hookers & blow.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 19:18 | 3061131 Lendo
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So the war on drugs is working then?



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