Santelli On False Dictatorships And Fed Exit Strategies

Tyler Durden's picture

In a little under three minutes, CNBC's Rick Santelli clarifies (in a much-needed manner) that we do not live in a monarchy or dictatorship (hoping for benevolence) - no matter how many Democratic senators and congressmen believe the President was given a mandate leaving him "holding all the cards" - we live in a republic (where the sovereignty rests with all individuals) and removing 'debt ceiling' checks and balances (for example) is a ride down a slippery slope. The chagrined Chicagoan then goes on to discuss the fact that the Fed, having unloaded another package of potentially infinite unsterilized money-printing, was actively discussing its exit strategy. Put simply, Santelli notes, "mark my words" the market will decide that exit - and the Fed had better be ready when it comes.

 

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Seer's picture

I've got a rare one...  She can actually think logically (which throws me off a bit because I second-guess this when wondering why she married me)...  Face-to-face conversation is good, and there aren't very many faces that are more beautiful than her's, so... lucky me!

MachoMan's picture

So you want to have sex with a woman with a really large penis horn?

 

*chris hanson voice* tell me about your father...

GMadScientist's picture

There are two problems with Keynesian stimulus; first, that it does work, in a limited sense, giving proponents creedence well beyond what they deserve, and second, that you can't stop once you've started without causing another crash.

Like a medicine that has no curative power, but alleviates symptoms, at least until your tolerance and homeostasis make it impotent.

HoaX's picture

Keynesian stimulus would mean using the money to actually build useful stuff. You know, infrastructure projects, bridges.

Not saying I´m into Keynes but this has jack shit to do with his ideas.

GMadScientist's picture

There are a lot more "monuments" than Hoover Dams, when all is said and done, but unlike most here, I've actually read the general theory and understand the illogic in the classical approach that the man was attempting to address. And you can make the point that the hundreds of billions in block grants is directly correlated to the monetization of US debt by our good friend and the bad bank.

 

Orly's picture

Exactly.  Just like "supply-side" economics, which would also work, neither idea has been implemented properly.  Keynes said when you need to borrow, go ahead but build useful stuff.  He also said that when times are good, you save for a rainy day.

Can't really expect the programme to work unless it were implemented on both sides of the equation.  Same with supply-side.  The deal was to take away all the tax loopholes.

As in Marxism, Communism, Capitalism and Socialism, great ideas that can benefit all of mankind are perverted for the few who write the laws or pay to have the laws written for them.

Same old, same old.

:/

ShrNfr's picture

"You know, infrastructure projects, bridges." - Where I come from those are known as overhead. Some overhead is necessary. Not all overhead is. They "stimulated" a perfectly good road near where I live. The old road was fine and actually had twice as many lanes as the "stimulated" road. Of course, Wagner Act wages were paid.

forwardho's picture

Three cheers for a hot shot of pure morphine!   Yea!

GMadScientist's picture

Crap. Stepped-on methadone agin.

edotabin's picture

Like a medicine that has no curative power, but alleviates symptoms, at least until your tolerance and homeostasis make it impotent

 

Looks like the FED looked to the FDA for answers. Just cover the symptoms and make tons of cash doing it. Screw cures!

Clinteastwood's picture

The problem with drugs is...

.....sooner or later you have to come down.

mayhem_korner's picture

 

 

I'm picturing the Bernank curled up in a corner stabbing his Santelli voodoo doll with a needle...

ejmoosa's picture

I think it's more like he's sitting in a corner, popping Viagra by the handful, and yet he still can't get it up.  Just one more....

surf0766's picture

We are past the point of no return. They are just waiting for Jan 20 to complete the transformation. The debt ceiling vote is a joke. It will be done away with to protect the people. 

Caviar Emptor's picture

That's right. There really is no viable alternative. And the public at large and the global community will vote not with their feet but with their asses, pluncked squarely and firmly on the couch receiving the truth as it emanates from a rectangular-shaped oracle.

forwardho's picture

So right Surf, If there ever was a point of  return. Living a complete fantasy since well before '08. Sort of a very prolonged Whille-e coyote moment. Although not to sure about the "protecting the people" part.

surf0766's picture

"protecting the people" is gov't speak for take control of everything

Matt's picture

Grandma is protected. Grandma has gone down the stairs. We are the space robots. We are here to protect you from the terrible secret of space.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E0ot9iJm_k

SmallerGovNow2's picture

When they remove the debt ceiling there will be NO ONE buying our debt.... hey wait a minute...

NotApplicable's picture

Well, they won't be that upfront about it. They'll just tie it to the unemployment rate, or some other genius idea that measures flow, rather than volume.

Because, as we all know...

They have to do SOMETHING!!!

fonzannoon's picture

Liesman: "Rick if you are so concerned about the debt why aren't your traders selling treasuries right now instead of buying them?"

Santelli: "Traders wan't to make money".

Liesman: (asks same question)

Santelli: "Let's ask one!". (Grabs trader) "Hey Liesman wants to know why you guys are not selling treasuries!"

Trader: (no hesitation at all) "who would buy?"

End of story

Dr. Engali's picture

That's so true in all these no bid markets. If there was any selling volume at all the "bids"would just disappear.

TonyCoitus's picture

Ha ha ha.  That's hilarious!  Anyone have a video of this?

SheepDog-One's picture

THAT is the video clip I wish was selected to show here....had to have been proceless! 

Donlast's picture

Thank God for Rick Santelli.  We should go down every night and wear holes in the carpet to give thanks that he exists. 

Flakmeister's picture

How come no one brings up clip of McConnell filibustering his own proposed vote on the debt ceiling?

For those that may have missed it

http://screen.yahoo.com/mitch-mcconnell-s-self-filibuster-31316181.html

and

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/jon-stewart-mcconnell-filibuster-debt-ceiling.php

Edit: Added a link

 

TonyCoitus's picture

Fuck McConnell.  I wanna see the Liesman/Santelli exchange.

Do you suppose Jon Stewart will show it?

fonzannoon's picture

I hope everyone heard Stewarts explanation of the debt ceiling to his ignorant liberal army.

A Lunatic's picture

The FED is the market.

cougar_w's picture

That was my first thought ... sort of like "Yeah that's right the Market will ... uh ... whut? "

youngman's picture

I don´t think the MARKET can cause the exit...because there is no Market anymore....I do think there will be a big dump in treasuries...some country will panic or some event...but the Fed will just double or triple their balance sheet...4 trillion to 20 trilllion...whatever....after that...people will have to make investment decisions on that move....that is when it will get crazy

Blizzard_Esq's picture

"some country will panic or some event..."

Its all about Apple....

Seer's picture

You just might have something there.  It's the poster child for what's NOT right.  One of the largest cap'd companies (largest?) and it doesn't really produce anything that is beneficial for "productive" things: if anything, it subtracts.

Take a look at their chart.  See the slinky?

What's even worse is that FB is going up.  WTF?  If this isn't a clue about there being nowhere to go then I don't know what is...

BISTRO's picture

.... The bigger the better !!

 

Donlast's picture

Sometimes one wishes Keynes was strangled at birth. 

A Lunatic's picture

Shit, there are days I wish that for myself.............

cougar_w's picture

Well come on maybe not strangled. Not at birth.

But maybe sent to Java on a slave trader to work in the diamond mines, yeah sure why not would have clarified his thinking on some things.

Seer's picture

The caveats were there.  Further, if not him then someone else.  The banksters would have cooked up someone else or something else.  The ONLY sure fire way of keeping any of this from happening is to eliminate all centers of power.

AnAnonymous's picture

But, but, but if sovereignty rests with all 'individuals', does it mean that the government's actions commit all those individuals who ultimately holds the responsibility for the government's actions?

Does it mean that a third world is justified in targeting any 'american' individual in retaliation for the government the 'american' 'individuals' empower?

Ah, 'americans'. Everything is situational.

Government is good for hand cleaning when it comes to kill and live off blood money (this is always the government's fault) but when it comes to other stuff, suddenly, no more proxies, no more hitmen, the 'individuals' take charge.

And this 'american' Santelli, he will never put his life on the line to prove that in 'american' nations, in a republic, the sovereignty lies with the 'individuals'.

So funny.

'Americans' can not debate. it is absolutely impossible. They have built a world so full of contradictions they cant move in any direction without exposing themselves for what they are.

mayhem_korner's picture

'Americans' can not debate.

 

I'm pretty sure no one can debate with you AA...cuz no one knows what you're saying.  Or do you just let one of your pre-woked cats dance on your keyboard before hitting send?

akak's picture

But, but, but if hygiene rests with all 'individuals', does it mean that the public defecator's actions commit all those individuals who ultimately holds the responsibility for the defecator's actions?

Does it mean that a turd world is justified in targeting any 'american' individual in retaliation for the flush toilet hygiene the 'american' 'individuals' empower?

Ah, Chinese shitizens. Everything is shituational.

Chinese shitizens are bad for hand cleaning when it comes to squatting and roadside crappery (this is always the shitizen's fault) but when it comes to other stuff, like projecting their society's innumerable faults and failings onto others, kneejerk blameplacing, forcing responsibility to the exterior, monolizing the speeching means, blobbing-up, and bigoted anti-American ranting, suddenly, no more proxies, no more hitmen, the shitizens  take charge.

And this Chinese shitizen AnAnnoyingUs, he will never put his life on the line to prove that in Chinese shitizen nations, in a so-called "people's republic", the sovereignty lies with the government, not even the shitizen.

So funny.

Hypocritical chinese shitizens like AnAnnoyingUs can not debate. it is absolutely impossible. They have built a world so full of contradictions, hypocriticality, insanitation and blind bigotry they cant move in any direction without exposing themselves for what they are: roadside crappers.

PaperBear's picture

Dick Rick Santelli call the chairman of the non-Federal non-Reserve a dictator and that the market will hoist the chairman by his own petard when the market decides it is the time to exit ?

mayhem_korner's picture

 

 

My exit strategy is to leave when I'm kicked out.  Timmay

Caviar Emptor's picture

Our National Debt Ceiling - A play

Act 1: The hand wringing

Act 2: The name calling

Act 3: The near-death experience

Act 4: The triumphant return of the status-quo 

Seer's picture

And when everyone leaves the theatre Mother Nature is waiting...

"Men argue, nature acts." - Volaire

GMadScientist's picture

Orpheus in the Underfundedworld.