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France Threatens To Kick Belgium Out Of The Socialist Club
As more and more wealthy French bourgeousie flee (first Arnault, now Depardieu) the nation of their birth to the smaller and better-beer-making nation of Belgium, it seems that socialist president Hollande is not amused. His cunning plan to tax the crepe out of the uber-wealthy has back-fired - quelle surprise - and in the most passive aggressive statement in a while, Agence France-Presse notess that Hollande 'patriotically' demands "there's no other way" than to revise fiscal agreements with countries (cough Belgium cough) offering advantageous tax rates. AFP goes on to note his additional rantings, "We're reconciling our budget policies, we must reconcile our tax policies," Hollande said at a press conference in Brussels as France is "forced to renegotiate the tax convention to deal with those who have moved to some Belgian village." Shame really.
Via AFP (Google Translate): Depardieu: Holland wants to renegotiate tax treaties with Belgium
December 14 (AFP) - President François Hollande has Appeal in Brussels on Friday, a "ethical behavior" of each, and has called for a renegotiation of tax treaties with Belgium, about exile tax actor Gerard Depardieu.
"Everyone must be ethical, regardless the business that, "said the head of the French state, interviewed during a press conference after the summit Europe.
He felt that there was "no other way to do" that "review (the) tax treaties" with countries offer tax advantages. France would thus he said, "have to renegotiate the tax treaty (with Belgium) to treat the case of those who settled in a Belgian village. "
"They are suspicious, it's a socialist mayor," he quipped Mr. Holland, in an allusion to the village where Néchin Gérard Depardieu acquired a property, as before him other wealthy French.
"We align our fiscal policy, we harmonize our tax policies, "he said.
Castigating the "dumpings tax" charged by some European countries with respect to companies or individuals, it warned that it was "not in favor of procedures amnesty "tax.
The departure of Gérard Depardieu for Belgium is "quite pathetic, "said Wednesday the Prime Minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault.
Néchin village, distant only a mile the French border and the town of Roubaix (Nord), in 27% of French residents, often very wealthy, including members Mulliez family, which controls the distribution group Auchan.
Belgium offers special conditions advantageous for large fortunes French: there is not tax on capital, or capital gains tax and inheritance are cheaper than in France.
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Unless you've had a fine Belgian Trappist & Abbey Ale, you haven't lived.
France is in a state of internal strife, as they see their manufacturing base ravaged, and the bulk of the population refuses to realize or accept that going along with the "printing will save the day" memo forwarded by every elected "leader," "wise" appointed/nominated regulator, and central reserve fiat banker will lead to an even larger and more rapid compression of what exists of their middle class.
You can't really print jobs, productivity, economic growth, prosperity or true aggregate demand.
C'est la vie.
C'est la guerre.
People vote with their feet. Belgium should put their taxes to 0 in spite of these frog munchers.
Or, as London Mayor Boris Johnson said: In the U.K. they are welcoming them all - rich Frenchmen, Lakshmi Mittal, entrepreneurs. Not that England is such a great place to live and work. But with neighbors like France, it is easy to attract the money.
if you are seriously, seriously rich London (not England) is the best primary residence you can wish for
the tax deals you can get are simply unbelievable
and you can still go hunting foxes in France, or chill in the Toscana in summer or just take your yacht around the world
two generations of Greek shipowners can attest this, as various Russian oligarchs, Saudi princes etc. etc.
"There is a time to laugh and a time not to laugh, and this is not one of them"
Inspector Jacques Clouseau
London? Nope. Close but no cigar. Jersey. (NOT "NEW Jersey.)
http://www.thisisjersey.com/latest/2011/01/17/plan-to-attract-more-tax-e...
The Caymans, Vanuatu, Monaco..., a world of choices.
Happy to help
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Gentlemen prefer, Olde Frothingslosh - Pale Stale Ale - The Pint of No Return.
as to what in the hell they do with it????
Samuel Smith's Old Tadcaster Taddy Porter. If I could, I would live on it.
As to Belgium being better beer ... are you kidding me?!? Sure. Easier to get drunk on beer with 12% alcohol content, but it tastes vile. Utterly vile.
I'd rather drink Pabst or Old Milwaukee.
or they could do what NJ does to sheep that can't afford to live here and leave to cheaper states(about a 1k a day)
An exit tax for anyone who sells their home and leaves the state
Wouldn't it be easier to start with Monaco?
ha!...tax the "crepe" out of them...clever...
When one fails his tax policies, one might expand his failures around the world.
Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?
funny 'cause Roubaix is like El djazair; u need a visa if u r white and want to enter...
"We align our fiscal policy, we harmonize our tax policies, " and then we ask everybody to stand up and then touch their toes.
France should just invade Belgium and repatriate the citizens. All they need is some non-Frenchman to lead them. Perhaps a Corsican again?
I'd put money on the Flemish kicking the crap out of them....long white flags and while we are at it here's Dexia and it's all yours France...
Just Print the Fucking Franc - for christ sake !!!!!!!!!!
There is rail stuff lying around under used.
Dec 9
Passenger rail service between Mulhouse France & Freiburg Germany brought back after 30 years with the relaying of a old freight line.
http://www.rff.fr/IMG/pdf/4p-RFF-BD-2.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jXEBWMPjUQ&list=UUimX2FRzTtBpTyBsykZpg1g&index=2
Mobility of the French
Only a slight rise in rail when the British rail system is breaking all records..........
http://www.statistiques.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/fileadmin/document...
Don't forget that Belgium also has Herman Von Rumpboy
And Waffles
Mussells, eels and pomme frites.......
...EU's tax coffers, corrupt unelected bureaucrats and a few thousand corporate lobbyists.
Oh, I almost forgot, they also have a free public transportation (at least in Brussels and Hasselt), the serfs from around the continent are picking up that bill.
One wonders why some opportunistic nation (perhaps Japan) doesn't take advantage of the developed world's growing high-tax socialism by becoming a tax paradise for wealthy individuals and global corporations to inject some life into their dying economies. I suppose they would not want to run afoul of the US-led scheme to destroy personal and economic freedom wherever it raises its ugly head or, as it is know in foreign policy circles, "soft power."
Singapore took this position some years ago, and with incredible success
Indeed. Surprisingly enough, there are people in Japan who are advocating economic and foreign policy neutrality for Japan, just like Singapore. Unfortunately, the entrenched bureaucratic, corporate, political classes, heavily influenced by the US, will never consider it until such time as American interests determine Japan no longer holds value in Asia. Of course, by then it will be too late for Japan.
It seems like some sort of normalization of relations with Russia, China and North Korea would be requisite to any kind of real neutrality. That would mean renouncing a variety of disputed territorial claims, e.g. Sakhalin Islands. And really, neutrality with respect to NK? That's crazy talk.
I cannot wait the day when China tells USSA and EUSS to suck a giant **** and vaccum all the talent, wealth and skilled labor from all these pathetic clowns while introducing a Gold backed Yuan...
So we can all be communists? Great idea.
It appears China has a little debt problem of their own.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-22/whither-china-end-extrapolation
Building empty cities is always great for the economy, right?
"So we can all be communists? "
As opposed to the creeping socialism/fascism the West is experiencing now? My Chinese friends laugh at Americans who are losing their freedoms while the Chinese are gaining theirs. Of course, even they realize that it is all relative, but the trend is in their favor.
Point I've made for a while. Developing nations have an uptrend in just about everything good while the 'West' still has it good, it's going down though.
China is hardly a communist state.
China is a kleptocracy. Which also explains why the Chinese people are buying so much gold - the government has 6 - 8% inflation designed into their economy.
Waiting for the news report a few years from now, "Belgium Buys Bankrupt France"
advantageous is defined here as :anything below 'your output totally belongs to me' comply or face jail.
It will be a great day when Germany financially stomps France once and for all.
France is a great place though. The only problem is the french.
Nah, not the french. Just the socialists.
CAC40 pinned at 6-mo. highs, not backing down
C'est vrai.
Mais, ce n'est pas effectif.
Who cares ?
By-the-way, what is Ron Paul thinking about this ?
The problem is not your acquaintance with fascists like R. Paul or van Mises, the problem is your flawed thinking about economics, witch makes you believe capitalism is sustainable for ever. Moral opinions are not the worst things, the worst is logic failure. Think about J.B. Say's law of production : true or false ? Just for 1 time in your life, read an economist instead of thinking you've got the knowledge by birth. You are a trist market analyzer, an narrow-minded sub-enlighted red necked average American nerd. Face it. You never read ANY economist, even neo-cons. face your absolute mental vacuity instead of writing useless crap.
You used to write very good papers, until it came to the conclusion, because there you had to disclose your nasty ideas.
It's all logic, i'm not more communist than you. The only difference is, that i know what logic means, while you don't. Only few people here have the courage to think, and face reality, not the fake reality they use to. And please, forget your rants against keynesian, they are only the nurses of capitalism !
Maybe i'm the only one who absolutely don't care about who's opinion ever. If i don't tell you're wrong, who will ? Not the followers.
Who cares about what?
And why are you so defensive of economists?
Capitalism is sustainable until government gets involved.
Ron Paul a facist? Haha, that is the funniest thing I've heard today. I think you forgot the </sarc> at the end of your rant.
Spoken like a true Frenchmen (and written poorly). Your views are not correct just because YOU think they are ... of course the French are smarter than we are ... just ask them
Your quasi-socialist City of Lights is in an economic FLAT SPIN ... .
I junked you because YOUR MAMMA WAS A SNOWBLOWER!
"Scuse... but am I correct in thinking that based on your comment, you think Say's Law of production is VALID??? It's complete and utter Bullshyte!!! Put another way, "Build it and they will come." That might work as a plot for a BS baseball movie, but it doesn't work in the real world. If there is no demand, (artificially created or not), any production will be a waste of resources. It's entirely BACKWARD!!! Period. I bet you're one of the 5 people in the world who bought a Chevy Volt... YOu claim to be able to apply logic... apply Say's Law to the Chevy Volt.
Who cares?
It seems to me that ZH not only allows, but encourages all to share their opinions. I've encountered a few allusions to censorship, however I have not seen it myself. I've personally posted some of the most inane, rude, obnoxious, and flat out stupidest crap imaginable and yet am allowed to continue doing so to my drunken hearts content.
I sincerely hope that you continue to do the same. I further suggest that you remain in school, soak up all the propaganda on offer, go forth into the world and become a fully functioning sheeple. If at age 40 or so you feel true inner peace and happiness then by all means you will have been correct as a child, and will from that point continue FORWARD into the land of unicorns and fairy dust to live happily ever after.
Best of luck:)
So all new jobs for the french will be commuting over the border to Belgum and tending to wealthy former French citizens...love it.
Make the following substitutions:
1) Replace France with California.
2) Replace Belgium with Texas (or Nevada),
3) Replace President Francois Hollande with Governor Jerry Bown.
4) A small viilage near the Belgian border with Incline Village, Nevada.
Same problem - whats the difference?
It seems that governments with out of control spending problems feel that they have the right to confiscate the wealth of anybody, with no other justification than that they need the money. - Not much different from the average alcoholic or drug adict, who will steal from friends, family, strangers to support their habit.
... My name is Francois and I'm a taxaholic.
If the people can just up and leave does the government really have power over them?
Better to get all the governments together and enforce the power ACROSS borders. That solves all of governments problems.
First it is capital controls then total controls.
Same problem - whats the difference?
The obvious difference is that Jerry Brown can demand a bailout from the Feds. And if it weren't for those meddling republicans in the house, it would have worked!
The French position is all wind n piss for internal use in socialista flash of mirrors. The Euro charter says : free movement of people, capital and goods within Eurozone. Game over for brow beating neighbours. This is just bravado for the crowds.
In fact as Mitterrand proved the socialists were the greatest friends of Big Business; after they had their dogmatic butts kicked for two years; creating the french big bang and the Cac 40, tying in with Germany big time and opening up the great Euro market. 65% of french capital markets belong to foreign investment and 90 % of government debt is foreign owned. Nation state is totally subservient to markets. We all know that, and thats why the Oligarchy rules the world. So this is just pissing in the wind to please the crowd.
WHAT THIS TRULY IMPLIES IS FISCAL HARMONY NOW HAS TO COME ONTO THE EURO group AGENDA. It should have when they created the euro...
Nothing new, Hollande will turn the screws on the government spending, up the bureaucracy retirement age and ALSO the working hours of France for 35 more like 40/hrs per week. Its part of the new "competitve" package that will become mandatory, as austerity hits France in 2013/2014, bigtime. He has NO choice as Frau Merkel is breathing down his neck.
So then, like in 1983, he will turncoat like Mitterrand did, and open up the flexibility, productivity valves in industry/services, cut down on government spending, to bring France in tow to Germany. All planned for 2013/2014 as next presidential elections will be 2017; and all he is interested in is meeting that deadline, having done the hard lifting (he hopes, and nobody in Europe looks to the black cloud of debt without redemption yet) so that french government sector is more ship-shape.
What this scenario does not address is corporate financial banksta debt, oil energy crunch and surging industrial competitivity of BRIC world. France, like all of first world is having to rewrite its social-industrial paradigm in an age of energy crunch and world wide competition.
We'll all end up as farmers or as Internet wizards! With nothing in between! Two buns and no hamburger!
"We align our fiscal policy, we harmonize our tax policies"
Well, why not align French tax policies on Belgian ones: Problem solved!
This will not end well, France will just use the EU to smack down their "naughty" neighbour.
(Like the Asterix reference working against French advantage)
you have no clue about that "EU stuff", eh? why do you post this kind of clueless comments?
Why ? They are big enough to bend the rules to their advantage e.g. farm subsidies, kicking out Gypsies etc.
bending the EU rules in the own country is a national sport, here in Europe (pun intended)
the only ones that don't "get it" are the Brits, with their disorderly love for "The Law" and "The Rules"
bending the rules - tacit or EU ones - so that another EU country gets the shaft is a completely different matter
again, the only ones that "don't get it" are the Brits, with their barbaric "sportive aggression"
and so it's again the Brits that have this wish to be kicked out but don't understand why they are not kicked out
there is something about the Anglo(American) Political Psyche that is against all cooperative thinking, I suspect
some sadomasochistic "Rule or be ruled", or "Lead or be Led". no sense at all of treating other countries as peers
Peers? Good concept until you get a country like France whose belief in equality is second to none.
I prefer to treat other EU countries - ALL EU countries, in fact - as PIIGS.
Basically you've said "It's an Anglo-American World"...
Your approach means the Anglo-Americans simply sit on the sidelines while the Euro-family fights amongst themselves and asks for an outsider to settle their internal arguments.
the other way round. the AngloCanadianKiwiOhLet'sSayCommonwealthersAmericans are just 100% sure that because they all have a serious cultural and political crisis after a century of solving 50% of the problems by bombing them and the other 50% of the rest by throwing irredemable paper promises at them THINK that of course all the rest of the world has the same attitude
ergo the French and the Germans must be for example at least be at their throats by Christmas or your worldview just shatters
and of course a bigger nation like France must be fucking Belgium because that's the way the world is
after a century of predominance, you are "dominance oriented" in politics, instead of "exchange oriented"
you changed and the rest of the world changed but you aren't aware of both
The Brits and Americans seemed to manage to cooperate well enough to vanquish Germany in WWII, when Germany of course was not cooperating all that well with the rest of Europe, though there were some French (Vichy) who were happy to cooperate with Germany in rolling up Jews and suppressing others. Perhaps Germany was only emulating the behavior of France under Napolean, when it too did not play well with others in Europe.
The "European" idea of cooperation apparently is to suppress the liberty of others. Which is why France and Germany have never forgiven Britain, and more recently the US, for preventing them from imposing cooperation on everyone else.
lol, your comment is a perfect example for what I was trying to say
"Brits & Yanks cooperating" = good, per definition
"others cooperating" = bad, per definition
"European idea of cooperation" = suppress liberty of others
"France and Germany have never forgiven Britain, and more recently the US, for preventing them from imposing cooperation on everybody else"
this last one is a true gem. it encapsulates the faith that the US & the UK can't do evil and other's can't do good
Sounds like some French are kicking themselves out of the socialist club.
Oops.
France should invade Belgium as soon as Belgium is made to give them gas money to do so.
Maybe Hollande should have thought about his policy instead of blaming shit on other countries? #FuckHollande
There's always a warm welcome and a very special place for the French in Diksmuide.
Sorry, if you're French, that's Dixmude.
There you have it, this is what the New World Order is about: eliminating competition between various tax farms and make sure capital can't escape the global statist mindset.
"Pathetic" is the right word, but Jean-Marc Ayrault should realize that it applies, in spades, to M. Hollande. Also "arrogant" and "stupid" work equally well.
And they already have a near trade war over the French taxing Belgium and other foreign beers. France is getting quite protective of its markets and either taxes foreign products or nationalizes foreign companies.
One of the first things the EU will do if/when they get their shit together (as in consolidated banking) will be PAYING TAXES and who is due what.
In other words, all EU members will pay the same tax rate (a lot).
You can't consolidate the banking (well you can try) and ignore taxation.
One of the first things the EU will do if/when they get their shit together (as in consolidated banking) will be PAYING TAXES and who is due what.
In other words, all EU members will pay the same tax rate (a lot).
You can't consolidate the banking (well you can try) and ignore taxation.
By getting shit together you mean when going further in transformation towards fascist super-state?
YUP.
Super Socialism, the EU equivalent of indentured servant.
We own our merchandise and will hunt it down abroad if we deem it necessary. We will steal what we want in the name of law. Running sheep will just be tired (and beaten up) when they get their wool shortened.
Oh what a good giggle! Depardieu started out as an ex-convict who became lover to the alcoholic if brilliant author Marguerite Duras, whom the French president would have admired in his youth (and mine). And that was very brave of Mr. Depardieu for she was by then a woman you could only ogle at for her mind.
Anyhow, after playing Richelieu, Robespierre or some other spuerstar of the French Revolution, Depardieu became a national icon -- sort of like Charlton Heston after he played Moses for Hollywood.
I have to guess Mr. Hollande is taking this slight to his authority very, very personally.
Mr Hollande, Allez vous faire foutre!
Another French defeat at Waterloo. Sucks to be a commie.
So... I take it all you fucks voted for MR's tax policies, then?