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Italy Joins The Two-Trillion Debt Club

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As Monti, Grilli, and Berlusconi jockey for the headlines, the nation of Italy will surely be celebrating. Since debt is apparently wealth, the Italian nation has just joined an exclusive club of 'wealthy' nations as its total national debt blows through EUR 2 Trillion. With the trend now growing beyond exponential, having gathered pace since the crisis began in 2008, we suspect it won't be long before we see EUR 3 Trillion (of course entirely backstopped by FT's man-of-the-year Mario Draghi). It appears that it's not 'greed-is-good' but 'debt-is-good' that is the idiom of today's sovereign financiers.



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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment CPL
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Pay that off with spaghetti and fine cheeses

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Keynesian paradise. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Stackers
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Debt is wealth. Just ask Pete Stark


and according to Harry Reid paying taxes in the U.S. is voluntary

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 11:28 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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Debt is greed


Greed is the inordinate desire to possess wealth, goods, or objects of abstract value with the intention to keep it for one's self, far beyond the dictates of basic survival and comfort. It is applied to a markedly high desire for and pursuit of wealth, status, and power.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Pete Stark isn't as dumb as he seems, unfortunately. When all money is loaned into existence (I.e. debt), debt, by necessity, must expand. It's a horrible system, but it's the system we have (for a little while longer, anyways). Stark gets frustrated, I think, because he can't say the truth, exactly.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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The L.A. Angels are next in line...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment Vashta Nerada
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Debt as a badge of honor instead of a mark of shame.  What a twisted world we live in. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:43 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:21 | Link to Comment wandstrasse
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment akak
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:43 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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Generali Insurance is in default. Period

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Trillions? pffffffdd....chump change........when we get to billions then we are talking serious money.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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Italians are actually richer than Germans in terms of net worth

Germans have higher income but much more debt

Italian public debt is high but household debt is low ... Italy is actually one of the more sustainable countries in terms of an overall debt picture, due to both the high household assets and the fact that they are a strong exporter naturally

Berlusconi actually had them close to primary budget surplus (i.e., ex public debt) when the ECB - EU pushed him out

As Ambrose Evans-Pritchard says, the euro is really their only major problem - he gives the anti-euro parties a 25% of winning

Support for the euro in Italy is the lowest of all the GIIPS countries, around 30 % - I hope that Berlusconi doesn't wimp out and sell out

Bunga bunga will be worth it if takes Italy out of the euro and terminates the torture of that for the Mediterranean

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Berlusconi actually had them close to primary budget surplus

The problem is that it doesn't work like that. I can't just say that my finances are great, now that I've decided not to consider the interest on my mortgage. Italian debt/GDP is around 126%, and at 4% interest rate, that's 5% of GDP that goes on servicing public debt.

But yeah, private sector debt loads are more manageable. But do consider the demographics profile of Italy is pretty bad, and then consider who exactly has to pay off the public sector debts again.

Italy total debt load (Q2 2011): 314% of GDP, of which 111% were public.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:42 | Link to Comment smacker
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Erm. Am I missin' summat? Public debt IS household debt!



It just hasn't been paid down by taxes ...yet. ;-)

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 08:30 | Link to Comment ArgentoFisico
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Banana Berlusconi won't do a thing, just try to save his own butt, as always.

Pretty italian government tv advertisement an "More taxes, more services" :

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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FIAT collapsed

MontePaschi Siena Collapsed

Generali Collapsed

BNP holds 35000 Mn Euros in Italian Debt¡¡¡ Nice well done BNP¡¡¡

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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Spain downgraded by Peterssen to JUNK 

Rajoy please resign now

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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That blasted curve... I've seen it somewhere before... Can't put... My finger... On it.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 11:01 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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Goldman Sachs Derivative Book Losses > 19 Bn $¡ Including OTC ...nice well done,...keep hiding losses Goldman...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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Long FAZ 

Long SCO

SHort Reits

Keep loading Volatility




Fri, 12/14/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment Chief_Illiniwek
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Welcome, vicini!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Perdogg
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New Normal: Debt equal wealth. According to the Barack O'krugmans of the world, we just borrow and spend to prosperity.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Backspin
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Looks to me like they could have done a better exponential curve fit than they did, whoever "they" are.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Darkness
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A little debt never killed anybody...




Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment bankerbackbacon
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Notice how the darker your skin is the worse your eurosoviet zone nation is?  Portugal, Italy, Ireland etc.

How's Sweden, Denmark and Norway doing? Just fine.


Its going to take a lot of pizza's to pay this one off.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:36 | Link to Comment Yellowhoard
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I remember when the US "just" had 2 trillion in debt. Good times.

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