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Newtown, CT Elementary School Shooting Tally Rises To 27 Dead, Of Whom 20 Children - Live Video

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Update 4: the NYT has released a brief biopic on Lanza's, who it turns out had Asperger's Syndrome:

He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.

 

Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.

 

He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.

 

Until Friday.

 

The authorities said Mr. Lanza, 20, wearing combat gear, carried out one of the deadliest mass shootings in the nation’s history. He killed 20 children and six adults at the elementary school where his mother worked, they said. He then apparently turned his gun on himself. The police said he also earlier killed his mother.

 

In his brief adulthood, Mr. Lanza had left few footprints, electronic or otherwise. He apparently had no Facebook page, unlike his older brother, Ryan, a Hoboken, N.J., resident who for several hours on Friday was misidentified in news reports as the perpetrator of the massacre.

 

Adam Lanza did not even appear in his high school yearbook, that of the class of 2010. His spot on the page said, “Camera shy.” Others who graduated that year said they did not believe he had finished school.

 

Matt Baier, now a junior at the University of Connecticut, and other high school classmates recalled how deeply uncomfortable Mr. Lanza was in social situations.

 

Several said in separate interviews that it was their understanding that he had a developmental disorder. They said they had been told that the disorder was Asperger syndrome, which is considered to be a high functioning form of autism.

 

“It’s not like people picked on him for it,” Mr. Baier said. “From what I saw, people just let him be and that was that.”

 

One former classmate who said he was familiar with the disorder described Mr. Lanza as having “very flat affect,” adding, “If you looked at him, you couldn’t see any emotions going through his head.”

 

Others said Mr. Lanza’s evident discomfort prompted giggles from those who did not understand him.

 

Law enforcement officials said Friday that they were closely examining whether Mr. Lanza had such a disorder.

More here. Indeed, there is a statistical predisposition, at least anecdotally, for those with Asperger's toward both murder and violence.  In other words, watch as the debate rages over the traditional bogeyman of gun control, in a country with over three hundred million weapons, when we may well simply be talking about a mentally ill young adult.

As for the misidentified Ryan, who for a few brief hours was presented by law enforcement as the suspected shoorter, we learn from the WSJ:

Israel raids Palestinian NGO officesKatie Colaneri, a 24-year-old resident of Hoboken, N.J., described herself as a friend of Ryan, the suspect’s brother who for hours Friday was incorrectly identified as the alleged gunman. “He [is] a little shy, but very nice and sweet,” said Ms. Colaneri, who has known Ryan for over a year.

 

She said Ryan is a gentle guy who was  devoted to his job at the Ernst & Young accounting firm. A representative for Ernst & Young would not comment on his employment status.

 

A law-enforcement official briefed on the investigation told the Associated Press that Ryan has been “extremely co-operative” and is not under arrest, although he was still being question late Friday.

 

The official said Ryan’s computers and phone records were being searched but only “in an abundance of caution.” Ryan told authorities he had not been in touch with his brother Adam in recent years, and the official said he isn’t believed to have any connection to the school killings.

 

In Hoboken, Ryan lives in a newer building that was hard-hit by superstorm Sandy, Ms. Colaneri said. He lost power for a number of days following the storm.

 

The last time she saw him, about a month ago, Ms. Colaneri recalled that Ryan ran up to her and gave her a hug.  ”I’m really shocked,” she said. “As the details unfolded, I was totally devastated.”

Update 3: ABC has released a picture of the real shooter, Adam Lanza, taken in 2005 when he was ~13 years old.

Update 2 : NY Post now refuting CNN's initial report, and stating that the shooter's real name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza, who is instead brother of the latter. At this point there appears to be a ridiculous amount of confusion who did what, so it perhaps would be prudent on behalf of the authorities to double check this information before releasing it to the media. And just out from AP:

The AP confirms this further here:

The suspect in the Connecticut school shootings is Adam Lanza, 20, the son of a teacher at the school where the shootings occurred, a law enforcement official said Friday. A second law enforcement official says the boy's mother, Nancy Lanza, is presumed dead.

 

Adam Lanza's older brother, Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., is being questioned by police, said the first official. Earlier, a law enforcement official mistakenly transposed the brothers' first names.

 

Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.

 

The first official said Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

 

According to the second official, the suspect drove to the scene of the shootings in his mother's car. Three guns were found at the scene — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols — and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. The two pistols were recovered from inside the school.

 

The official also said Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.

 

Meanwhile, former Jersey Journal staff writer Brett Wilshe said he has spoken with Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, who told Wilshe the shooter may have had Ryan Lanza's identification.

 

Ryan Lanza has a Facebook page that posted updates Friday afternoon that read that "it wasn't me" and "I was at work."

Update: According to CNN the shooter's name is Ryan Lanza, out of New Jersey. Based on a White Pages reverse lookup there is an 18-24 year old Ryan Lanza living in Hoboken, NJ whose FaceBook profile lists Newtown, CT as his home city. Whether it is the same person remains to be confirmed officially.

 

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Sadly, increasingly it appears that not a day, and certainly not a week can pass, in the US without news of some mass killing somewhere. Several days ago its was a mall in Oregon, and today it is a shooting rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Here is what is known: the shooter, who CBS reports is a 20 year old from New Jersey, is reported to be dead. A second shooting suspect, a 24 year old man with a bulletproof vest and 4 guns has been apprehended in custody (this has subsequently been not confirmed). According to CBS 27 people are dead, of whom 18, Connecticut Post 27 people are dead, of whom 20 tragically, children. Among the dead are the principal and the school psychologist. The AP has already dubbed it "the worst school tragedy in American history."

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Live streaming updates on everything Newtown related can be found on the Reuters website here.

More from Reuters:

 At least 27 people, including 18 children, were killed on Friday when at least one shooter opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, CBS News reported, citing unnamed officials.

 

If confirmed, it would be one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The holiday season tragedy follows a series of shooting rampages in the United States this year that have killed multiple victims, and it was certain to revive a debate about U.S. gun laws.

 

The principal and school psychologist were among the dead, CNN said. Witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots with some saying as many as 100 were fired.

 

The suspected shooter, 24, was armed with four weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, WABC reported.

 

There were unconfirmed reports of a second shooter.

 

Another person was being held in police custody after he was detained in the woods near the school wearing camouflage pants, CBS reported.

 

Sandy Hook Elementary School teaches children from kindergarten through fourth grade - roughly ages 5 to 10.

 

"It was horrendous," said parent Brenda Lebinski, who rushed to the school where her daughter is in the third grade. "Everyone was in hysterics - parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don't know if they were shot, but they were bloodied."

 

Television images showed police and ambulances at the scene, and parents rushing toward the school. Parents were seen reuniting with their children and taking them home.

 

"This is going to be bad," a state official told Reuters, requesting anonymity because the scope of the tragedy remained uncertain.

 

President Barack Obama was notified and would receive regular updates throughout the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

 

"We're still waiting for more information about the incident in Connecticut," Carney said when asked about the president's reaction to it.

 

Carney called the event "tragic" and said there would be time later for a discussion of policy implications.

 

Obama remains committed to trying to renew a ban on assault weapons, Carney said.

 

All Newtown schools were placed in lockdown after the shooting, the Newtown Public School District said.

 

Lebinski said a mother who was at the school during the shooting told her a "masked man" entered the principal's office and may have shot the principal. Lebinski, who is friends with the mother who was at the school, said the principal was "severely injured."

 

Lebinski's daughter's teacher "immediately locked the door to the classroom and put all the kids in the corner of the room."

 

Danbury Hospital, about 11 miles (18 km) west of the school, had received three patients from the scene, a hospital spokeswoman told NBC Connecticut. The mayor of Danbury, Mark Boughton, told MSNBC: "They are very serious injuries."

An early report from CBS:

A shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday left several children and the gunman dead, law enforcement sources tell CBS News. At least one teacher was wounded in the shooting that sent frightened pupils into the parking lot.

 

It is unclear if there was more than one gunman at the school.

 

Law enforcement sources told CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that preliminary and unconfirmed information indicates that the shooter was the father of a student.

 

The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way.

 

It wasn't clear how many people were injured at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. CBS Hartford affiliate WFSB-TV reports around 600 students attend the school.

 

Connecticut State Police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance described the situation to CBS New York station WCBS-AM as a "very serious school shooting."

 

A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher had been shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.

 

Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.

 

"It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said.

 

Lisa Bailey, a Newtown resident with three children in Newtown schools, told CBSNewYork.com, "Newtown is a quiet town. I'd never expect this to happen here. It's so scary. Your kids are not safe anywhere."

 

The superintendent's office said the district had locked down schools in Newtown, about 60 miles northeast of New York City. Schools in neighboring towns also were locked down as a precaution.

 

State police said Newtown police called them around 9:40 a.m.

 

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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:56 | 3063169 Let them all fail
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That mall in Oregon was "my mall" - I say that despite hating being at the mall but that is beside the point. Having it close to you makes it a lot more disturbing...can get numb seeing this shit happen all the time from a far.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:58 | 3063183 Hippocratic Oaf
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What kind of fuck shoots babies?

What the fuck is fucking wrong with people?!?!?!?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:00 | 3063192 Looney
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Why schools or movie theaters? Just go see your local bankster… What a waste!

Looney

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:05 | 3063234 Dalago
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@Let them all fail:  Thats the idea.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:08 | 3063252 Let them all fail
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What is the idea exactly...?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:10 | 3063257 Earl of Chiswick
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what kind of fuck shoots babies?

good question also applies to the Drone Masters

178 children killed in drone strikes in Pakistan since start of campaign

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zf8bnYF-WxE

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:14 | 3063293 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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I've simply had enough - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Only governments are in a moral position to own something as potentially dangerous as a gun. Libertarians and free marketers are getting a good look at their so called "freedoms" today - they are only concerned about the freedom "too" - I say what about freedoms "from."

The government needs to step in right now and make all ownership of guns punishable by a lengthy prison sentence. Only then will the violence cease...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:16 | 3063322 Lendo
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We also ban forks so fat people can have a chance of beating obesity.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:29 | 3063423 Troll Magnet
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As a parent, this is some really sad fucking shit.  I hope the shooter rots in hell.  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:34 | 3063461 Killtruck
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Very sad indeed.

Ironic that when someone has a gun and is hurting people, the cops are called to bring...guns.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:38 | 3063475 john39
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but, just another incident that illustrates reality, when you are faced with sudden unexpected danger... the system will not be there to defend you (or in this case, the kids). 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:00 | 3063598 francis_sawyer
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Linking the shooter to Iran is coming in 5...4...3...2...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:26 | 3063740 Randall Cabot
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zionist Alex Jones keeps repeating that in israel everyone has a gun in the schools and there are no mass shootings there but he will never say that israel is an ethnically homogeneous state where the jews are segregated from the other groups.

And zionist Alex Jones will never say that it was jew supremacists who turned America into the multicultural basket case that it is now and that keeps producing all these alienated, rootless lunatics!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:13 | 3064034 jtg
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It's like clockwork, you can depend on the Jew haters to come out of the woodwork on ZeroHedge. They'll spin Jew hatred into any discussion on anything. One sick puppies.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:36 | 3064214 Randall Cabot
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I'm just stating the facts. If you don't want to admit that jew supremacists turned America into a basket case, then that's you're problem.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:51 | 3064326 gmrpeabody
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You are the type that shouldn't own a gun....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:58 | 3064348 Dalago
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This guy murdered his father and then murdered his mother in front of her class.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:34 | 3064538 Ness.
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CBS will be running episodes of CSI-Vegas; CSI-Miami and CSI-NY all weekend to bring attention to American gun violence.

 

CSI has been recognized as the most popular dramatic series internationally by the Festival de Télévision de Monte-Carlo, which has awarded it the "International Television Audience Award (Best Television Drama Series)" three times.[2][3] CSI's worldwide audience was estimated to be over 73.8 million viewers in 2009.[3] In 2012, CSI was named the most watched show in the world for the fifth time.[4]

CSI has been nominated multiple times for industry awards and has won nine awards during its history. The program has spawned several media projects including an exhibit at Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry, a series of books, several video games, and two additional TV shows.

"The release of Call of Duty® has been one of the most significant entertainment events of each of the last six years," said Bobby Kotick, CEO of Activision Blizzard.   "Since Call of Duty was launched, cumulative franchise revenues from players around the world are greater than current worldwide box office receipts to date for the top-10 grossing films of 2012 combined.  Life-to-date sales for the Call of Duty franchise have exceeded worldwide theatrical box office receipts for 'Harry Potter' and 'Star Wars,' the two most successful movie franchises of all time."

 

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:44 | 3064583 francis_sawyer
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CSI = "Cops"... "Government Agencies" GOOD... Everybody else BAD... Big Brother Indoctrination on steroids...

~~~

It's the 2nd most moronic show on TV (after CNBC anything)...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:11 | 3064692 fourchan
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doooooooooooosh bag.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:05 | 3064869 Cheesy Bastard
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This hits Home.  I was driving through Sandy Hook this morning at about 9:40.  I saw the cops race by.  Please pray for us.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:21 | 3065119 OutLookingIn
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Gun control does not work.

Outlaw guns?

What about knives then?

Outlaw knives?

What about axes?

Outlaw axes?

What about...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:47 | 3065198 UP Forester
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Outlaw birth control.

Then, we can make more....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:22 | 3065479 Harlequin001
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 because everyone should have the right to own a gun. EVERYONE.

Thank fuck I don't live there.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:17 | 3065587 THX 1178
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Most viewed zerohedge article? Tyler?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 05:10 | 3065901 AldousHuxley
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TOMORROW WILL BE A GOOD DAY TO LOAD UP ON FIREARM STOCKS

 

YEEHAW!

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:51 | 3066171 GetZeeGold
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You bet your ass.....and it's high time we armed our teachers to the teeth!

 

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:16 | 3064905 MachoMan
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Which is ridiculous considering the battlefield series is miles ahead...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:02 | 3065419 Transformer
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There are three things that stand in the way of the NWO.

400 (+or -) million citizen owned guns in America

The internet

The gold and silver market

 

just sayin'

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 05:13 | 3065903 AldousHuxley
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when the 2nd amendment was signed, rifles took 1 minute to load for a single shot and there was no military-industrial complex.

white slave owners needed guns to kill Indians off the land.

 

now white kids are killing themselves with "collectible" semi-automatics.

 

with freedom comes responsibility. american society is irresponsible in finances as much as moral authority.

 

guns don't matter when governments have nuke ready drones retards. your military has plenty of arms but takes orders from afar.

 

I guess dumbass societies deserve shit like this.

 

 

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 07:19 | 3065957 mumcard
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It still takes a man to pilot the drone and that man has to sleep and he has family somewhere offbase. 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 07:32 | 3065964 overmedicatedun...
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those research dollars at CIA for MK ultra paid off, we have a sick society .but it could not be planned, no one in .gov is that evil. reptiles have dead eyes, look at your dear leaders eyes what do you see??" They Live"

as someone who's business is poisons, there are reasons we have obese, diabetic, mass consumer, texting automotons everywhere we look.

at some point those who do not have" eyes wide shut"..have to ask what will I do about it?

ZH shows us the corrupt finances, but that is just a symptom of the bigger disease.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:46 | 3066079 unrulian
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Aldrous...go fuck yourself

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:46 | 3064817 mumcard
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Can you refute anything he said?  I've seen the evidence to show he's telling the truth.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:53 | 3065218 Randall Cabot
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"Let me tell you what kind of "strength" comes from our diversity. Alienation is the primary product of diversity. People who live in a homogeneous society, where the people they work with and interact with every day are similar to them -- that is, look similar, have similar values and attitudes, react in similar ways to events -- people in a homogeneous society tend to bond with the people around them. They tend to feel a sense of community. They tend to feel a sense of security from having people like them around them. They seek the approval of the people with whom they have bonded. They feel a sense of responsibility and protectiveness toward these people. With good leadership and reasonably good human stock, the community is strong.

Take away the homogeneity, and you greatly reduce the likelihood of bonding. Instead of a community you have simply a collection of individuals, and each of those individuals is thinking, at least at a subconscious level, "It's every man for himself." Without homogeneity you no longer have a common set of shared values. Antisocial behavior goes way up: schoolyard shootings and drug usage, for example. Neurotic and psychotic behavior goes way up too. Diversity is a real boon for the psychiatrists. Borderline people, who would adjust reasonably well in a homogeneous community, are much more likely to go over the edge and become neurotic or psychotic as the diversity increases.

Without homogeneity the individuals in the society have a weaker sense of identity, a weaker sense of who they are and of what they belong to. They're much less likely to find positive role models among the real people around them: among their teachers and neighbors and community leaders. They're much less likely to have constructive goals or to lead purposeful and useful lives."

 

 

 

 

http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs0104b.html   

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:33 | 3065493 MrButtoMcFarty
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What a big steaming bucket of Chickenshit.

Alienation isn't even a fucking THING you fucking putz.

How about poverty? modern societal peer pressures? mental illness? insanity?

All tangible things and just a few of many possibles....and you all you got is alienation??

Just because brown people scare you doesn't make diversity the source of all social ills....in fact it doesn't make diversity the source of any social ills.

Shove that in your racist pipe and suck it bitch.

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 05:15 | 3065904 AldousHuxley
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point fingers at diversity when this was white on white crime?

 

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:18 | 3066304 Randall Cabot
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"point fingers at diversity when this was white on white crime?"

Your stupidity knows no bounds. Read this a couple of hundred times and see if you can comprehend its relatively simple concept:

"Borderline people, who would adjust reasonably well in a homogeneous community, are much more likely to go over the edge and become neurotic or psychotic as the diversity increases."

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:48 | 3066168 GMadScientist
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You might want to analyze whether the drug usage and schoolyard shootings have an inverse relationship, mon.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:01 | 3063599 Cognitive Dissonance
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It is understood by anyone who thinks about it long enough that the police (and particularly the military) aren't there to protect you and me. They're there to protect corporate property from you and me.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:11 | 3063653 UGrev
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word.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:27 | 3063744 YBNguy
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The last three spree killings were all done by men close in age. My money is on behavior programming by evil people, like MK Ultra style stuff. Either that or the media is biased as hell in reporting gun violence to only be done by young white men, while they blackout continual urban violence in Chicago, Detroit, etc.

All a tragedy...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:40 | 3063827 EINSILVERGUY
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My money is on a society that demonizes religion and makes every effort to deny its existence in the origins of this country and replaces it with narcissictism.  Empty lives value nothing.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:19 | 3064078 pan-the-ist
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Right... There are so many mass killings in all of those securlar european countries, and absolutely no killings in those theocratic middle eastern countries.  Reality.  Can't argue against it.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:56 | 3065193 SeattleBruce
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pan-the-list: "There are so many mass killings in all of those securlar european countries, and absolutely no killings in those theocratic middle eastern countries.  Reality.  Can't argue against it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Europe

You were saying about 'Reality'?  And what do 'those theocratic middle eastern countries' have to do with spiritual life in the US?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 01:01 | 3065727 sun tzu
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Except for the 25 million people murdered in the very secular USSR by Stalin from 1936-1938 and the 12 million people murdered by atheist Adolf Hitler. Yep, you can't argue against reality

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:25 | 3064740 SAT 800
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"narcissictism"= typical IQ of Christian brainwash victim. Religion specifically denied any role in the "origins of this country"; and for the best of all possible reasons; the founding fathers were rationalists.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 01:01 | 3065728 sun tzu
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Who mostly were Christians or Deists

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:39 | 3064242 kridkrid
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Very good evidence of this with the aurora CO shooter. Haven't looked closely at the others.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:39 | 3064243 kridkrid
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Very good evidence of this with the aurora CO shooter. Haven't looked closely at the others.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:48 | 3064299 trav777
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there was a 2nd mass shooting in WI last month; the tenor and tone of the media coverage was totally different.  3 dead, 4 more injured, typical incident.

I'll bet that if people read the coverage, most of these conditioned lemmings, they will mentally file it as different because they're programmed to. 

Some of the big cities are bloodbaths...nary a peep about it.  How do you get 40 shootings in a weekend and no one knows?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:18 | 3064916 derek_vineyard
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prozac, entertainment violence, too much ego, materialism, virtual world , etc, etc have impeded people from actually doing things and feeling emotion to become balanced and aware

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:35 | 3064555 UGrev
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Interesting that you use "Programming" in your reply. I'm not saying you're incorrect, but I don't think you're using it in the proper context. It isn't "programming" in the sense of brainwashing them to become killers so much as it is de-programming their humanity. Which is a sort of programming in itself. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:21 | 3064722 Frankie Carbone
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I was thinking the same thing. They, the statists, were losing the war on guns, so something desperate needed to be done. Think about how extremely politically convenient this act was at precisely the time that it was most needed. 26 people killed, most of them young children.

You just watch, gun control legislation proposed by Senate and Barry in 5...4...3...2....1..

Ohh, how convenient that the guns found were handguns and an AR-15 too. First ones on the list of the statists to ban.

People forget MK-ULTRA, and, combined with their childish trust in the media, seem to think that it's pie in the sky thinking to even consider that the government would be capable of something like that, or be effective at it.

 

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:19 | 3064923 Winston Churchill
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You would be surprised,as I was today.

A new employee of mine who I have only spoken about business to,

told me he thought it was a false flag to get gun control.He then informed

me that 9/11 was a demolition job.Don't kow who was more surpised,

me at his comments,or him by my agreement.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:33 | 3065611 Maxter
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Just to add to your idea.  Notice how it seems like most mass shooter has asperger syndrome or take some heavy meds.  I postulate that the MK ULTRA programme works better on those kind of people. (and it provide a nice cover up)

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:12 | 3065152 willwork4food
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"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond.."

-Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

As horrible as it could possible seem it appears that their agenda to strip us from the protection guns offer our country from those who would rule over us as Lords, rather than public servents.

 

"The Freedom to keep and bear arms in 2012 is not what our Constitution and our Founding Fathers had intended for us over 200 years ago. Not by an automatic long shot."

-Sarah O'Leary is a writer, licensed minister, and an issues-based independent. She can be reached via email, sarahathuffpo@gmail.com. Huff Post Dec. 14, 2012

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:48 | 3065717 Clashfan
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Agreed. More people need to learn about SRA, MKULTRA, and trauma-based programming. It should always be suspected in instances like this, by officials and by readers/citizens.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:16 | 3063681 Pinktip
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Smedley Butler

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:51 | 3063888 r101958
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Everybody here needs to read 'Enemies, Foreign and Domestic' by Matt Bracken. Nuff said.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:11 | 3065282 Axenolith
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Which is why there is nearly always an armed guard at a bank, grocery store (in the cities) and many other high value "property" places, but NOT at the schools...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:01 | 3063607 Enslavethechild...
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Bankers shooting babies with drones to get at their resources is evil.

Bankers paying a madman to shoot babies so that the Bankers can ultimately get our guns away from us is evil to the tenth power.

When guns are outlawed, only Bankers will have guns and shoot babies.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:16 | 3063673 Panafrican Funk...
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You are correct.  

 

"If confirmed, it would be one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The holiday season tragedy follows a series of shooting rampages in the United States this year that have killed multiple victims, and it was certain to revive a debate about U.S. gun laws."

 

 

"The suspected shooter, 24, was armed with four weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, WABC reported."

 

Yet another young "crazy person" committing "random" acts of extreme violence.

http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c000.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:23 | 3063715 Harbanger
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There's something evil about this god forsaken generation.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:38 | 3063819 CommunityStandard
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Yeah, they bankrupted the country then expect us to pay for their debts and comfy retirements.  Oh wait... you're talking about us younger folk.  Just so you know, a majority of us don't plan on shooting anyone, children or otherwise.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:45 | 3063854 Harbanger
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Is that why he did it?  I'm 28 yrs old.  I'm well aware of the victim mentality of my generation.  My blessing is I was raised by my grandfather.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:14 | 3064901 Jendrzejczyk
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I wish ZH had been around when I was 28 (21 years ago).

Maybe I wouldn't have been wearing that wooly sheepskin my whole fucking life.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 08:50 | 3066036 Freedom Pilot
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There is evil in every generation.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 08:59 | 3066042 mumcard
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Yes, but it seems a life of leisure and plenty lends to it being more widespread.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:26 | 3064138 LostAtSea
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Interesting, just three weeks ago:

On 28 November 2012, the Olson family filed suit against the U.S. federal government for the wrongful death of Frank Olson. [58]

 

from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:24 | 3063724 FeralSerf
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Bankers have a justifiable fear of Americans' guns being trained on them if the sheep ever "get it".   This is a means to have public opinion demand that those guns be confiscated.  Then anyone possessing, or suspected of possessing, a firearm (only criminals will possess firearms) can be summarily executed by the police.  What else is the likely motive?  Were there any of these sort of terrorist acts perpetrated in the years before Columbine and the Stockton school shooting of 1989?  Not too many.

Motive, means and opportunity.   Cause and effect.  It's all about keeping the sheep agitated and "under the protection" of TPTB.  The sheep would be safer if the wolves were their protectors.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp39ch.html

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:04 | 3063626 MiguelitoRaton
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The shooter could have done the same damage with a car in a busy parking lot, or a gallon of gas split over 20 molotov cocktails, so while we're banning guns, let's ban cars and gas too.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:19 | 3063693 swmnguy
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Very true.  But he didn't.  And neither did the guy in Oregon, the guy in Colorado, the kids at Columbine, etc. etc.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:30 | 3063764 funthea
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Yes, but if there were no guns they would haveuse gas or an auto etc. They would have simply used any means to commit the murder they chose. Guns deter crime. That is why police wear guns.

There are simply bad people in the world. You might as well outlaw bad people. Won't change a thing.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:31 | 3063775 oddball
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David Attias

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:49 | 3064310 trav777
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why is it you can only name those particular mass shootings?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:42 | 3064579 citizen2084
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How many guns did McVeigh use?

How about OJ?

How about the hijackers on 911?

How many guns in the first world trade center bombing?

How about the subway attack in Japan with a virus, no guns in that either?

You are being sold a narrative, resist it.

peace

 

 

 

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:07 | 3064673 francis_sawyer
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Really?

McVeigh did it?

Hijackers with boxcutters?

~~~

OK ~ So OJ did it... I guess we'll have to ban knives... Sucks ~ because I was planning on steak for dinner...

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:18 | 3064912 Jendrzejczyk
Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:49 | 3065398 WillyGroper
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Remember, there was an alleged 3rd party besides Nichols that was never found.

Right.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:22 | 3064707 GoinFawr
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RE:"The shooter could have done the same damage with a car in a busy parking lot, or a gallon of gas split over 20 molotov cocktails, so while we're banning guns, let's ban cars and gas too"

"You know perfectly well that if the killer didn't have a gun --"

"Yes yes, he would have killed those people with something else. Lawn furniture, maybe." -Tom Tommorrow

"It's better to have a gun and not need it than it is to need a gun and not have it." -so better get your first grader to the 'sports' shop  before it's too late.

"An armed society is a polite society." Was obviously coined by someone who has never been to the United States, or Canada.

-Letters to the usual address...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:52 | 3065329 TwoShortPlanks
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@ nobody in particular.

I stand back from the comments of this thread and I wonder; are we seeing a degradation of society as we slide down the slope of stagflation?...I don't think so. This shit was going on when everyone was happy too. When everyone’s house and stocks were going up.

In Aust we don't have guns, well, none that are readily accessible that is, and the ones which turn up are somewhat, embarrassing. But we still have killings...even barrels of acid are weapons here (Snowtown).

IMO we can point a finger at a particular generation and say they are the issue, but no matter how fucked up Gen-Y are I don't think so. Even though they are a generation of attention seeking, fame and fortune obsessed, spastic fucktards who are in all honesty, struggling to cope in this world, they're still not the cause (Gen-Y's greatest hope is actually Gen-Z, they've got their heads on straight)...and nor are guns (lots of guns in the Army when I last looked, but few ever get used in killing sprees). I know this for a fact because human history has shown us a never ending series of examples that this is normal behaviour for humans. Even ancient cultures were as barbaric as us today. We're no better, and no worse than our ancestry...maybe a little more clinical and surgical in our methods, but just as brutal.

I think this sickness in some humans has something to do with a disconnect between morality and emotional neutrality. When emotions swing too far to one side, for a long enough duration, it pulls morality with it, and away from its' own neutral position. This disposition of both morality and emotions creates a disconnect with empathy...and lack of empathy gives the mind a free reign, and that's a very dangerous thing. I say this because over many years of gradual re/progression, even ethical scholarly academic people in Nazi Germany became infected with Eugenics; they too were swept-up in the euphoria of the greater cause. Even to the point where the most brutal of experiments were conducted on essentially innocent people, in the most clinical, sterile way, and without remorse and without,,,EMPATHY.

IMO, this is not a gun issue, this is not a generational issue, this is not a gender issue (the Nazi woman was just as ruthless as the man. Hillary Clinton, Madeleine Albright, Margaret Thatcher, these are female psychopaths capable of complete emotional disconnection with empathy), and this is not an educational issue either....this is an issue relating to the empathy within ones' soul being disconnected from the mind, morality and emotional stability (centring actually).

I think this may also be applied to the political and financial system too.

The slow disconnect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGEQmFL9McU

IMO, the cause of all of this is quite simple, mentoring! We lost true mentoring when we turned our back on the village.

Or, I may be insane too.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 01:15 | 3065736 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Well said, Planks.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 01:50 | 3065760 RockyRacoon
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What... registering "large knives" next?  It's not the weapon, it's the perpetrator.
The news in the U. S. gets top billing.

Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children By CNN Staff updated 9:35 AM EST, Fri December 14, 2012 Wei Jingru, a primary school student injured in a knife attack, receives medical treatment in a hospital.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • NEW: Several of the children are in a critical state, state media report
  • The attack took place Friday morning at a primary school in Henan province
  • Police say they have detained a 36-year-old local resident
  • China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks on school children in 2010

Beijing (CNN) -- Twenty-two primary school children were wounded in a knife attack Friday in central China, authorities said.

The attack took place at the entrance to the Chenpeng Village Primary School in Henan province, according to the public information department of Guangshan county, the area where the school is located. An adult was also wounded, it said.

Several of the children are in critical condition, the state-run website Chinanews.com said, citing local authorities.

Read more: Malala is face of global attacks on schools

Police say they have detained a suspect, a 36-year-old man from the village, state media reported.

Initial assessments suggest the man is mentally ill, Chinanews.com said, citing Guangshan authorities.

China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks that targeted school children in 2010.

A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives.

CNN's Shao Tian in Beijing and journalist Pan Xinlei in Hong Kong contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:15 | 3063675 aint no fortuna...
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and right before christmas - those poor fucking families

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:23 | 3063714 CH1
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the system will not be there to defend you (or in this case, the kids).

It used to be that the gym teacher had a shotgun. Not so in a long time now.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:25 | 3063737 Shell Game
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Really dating yourself, CH1.  Echos of a more sane world we were born into and is since gone..

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:14 | 3065775 monkeyboy
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I don't think the world has ever been particularly sane, no matter the time period one was born into.

Every generation has its craziness. I think it's part of the human condition unfortunately.

No different now just on a much larger scale with everything amplified to 11.

Damn, crazy times none the less.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:25 | 3064950 stormsailor
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my elementary school principal use to keep, and clean his rifles and shotguns in his office. and in the 1st and 2nd grades, almost everybody had a knife, we use to bring ammo in our pockets to show what kind of guns we had,, etc. etc.

 

our country was founded on the basis that though we had a right to whatever religion we wished,  they were all based upon a common god and the ten commandants.  remarks were made by our countries founders that our country could only thrive and exist in a "moral" society, that meaning having a basic belief in the ten commandments.

 

society and government today have so deviated from that basic founding, that the effect is being shown in all areas of society, the horrible incident could only be committed by someone devoid of god, with no belief of a soul nor a reckoning, but there are thousands of examples every day.

 

i know people will downvote this post,  its okay.  but our society has degenerated into a fragmented, godless, consumerist psychosis

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:22 | 3065128 ForTheWorld
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I downvoted you because you say "a right to whatever religion we wished, they were all based upon a common god and the ten commandmants (sic)", yet I doubt that the founding corporations would have wanted anything other than the English versions of Christianity.

I also downvoted you because the Crusades were performed by Christians and Muslims in the name of God/Allah, suicide bombings are done in the name of Allah, executions are carried out in the name of God. I consider myself an open minded Christian, yet the stupidity committed in the name of God astounds me. The people committing these acts will tell you they are one with God, and have accepted God into their lives, and in Christianity, only he who is without sin can cast the first stone. Metaphorically speaking of course, so you and I aren't in a position to judge at all.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:44 | 3066161 nmewn
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I down voted you for being a screaming moral relatavist.

Did Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin carry the cross or crescent before them? Why, no they didn't, It was really about earth-based power and their own deity like supremacy over people wasn't it?

If we're going to argue based on body counts alone the moral relatavists have a commanding lead and are seeking to increase it.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 01:51 | 3065758 THX 1178
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No, we were not founded on the christian religion, a cursory glance at article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli will convince even the stuffiest of childhood brainwashing victims.

 

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

 

 

As for the 10 commandments, only two of them are laws. 2/10 ain't so good. STOP FUCKING UP MY SECULAR NATION STATE YOU BRAINWASHED ZILCHERINO.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:04 | 3065767 Josey Montana
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The United States of Thomas Jefferson's age was little more than a trade association for the 13 quite independent and still sovereign AMERICAN STATES that just invented it.

"Nation" refers to "people" as in "natal" or "native".  You were confused by 19th C. Nation-State slang.  Now you are corrected and won't make that mistake again.

The Americans -- not U.S. persons such as yourself -- were always a Christian people and were so until the US Cultural Revolution of the elites.  Even that's not strictly true as atheists still spong off the accumulated goodwill of the Christians that carry their worthless carcasses forward against the Law of the Jungle.

And an other thought: If a secular "state" is populated by committed Christians, How is that state not Christian de facto?

Oooops.

For examples of a truly secular state, you'll have to reference the Soviet Union and Maoist China.

Or you can continue to delude yourself.  Whatever. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:33 | 3065361 nmewn
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It's like we live on another planet populated by sheep bleating for the shepherd to come protect them.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 01:46 | 3065755 monoloco
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It's high time we start arming the children so they can defend themselves.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:37 | 3063483 JimBowie1958
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Ironic?

What would you suggest they bring? Lollipops? Tanks?

Jeebeezus, Killtruck, put the pipe down more often!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:37 | 3064553 CrockettAlmanac.com
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It's ironic that as the shooting began the police were called to bring guns because guns are "to blame" for the killings but now that there are dozens of armed men on the scene (too late) the survivors are safe.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:09 | 3064886 SAT 800
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If they're lucky; I was just looking at some X-Rays the other day of a "highly trained police officer", ( the insiders amongst you will recognize that for sarcasm), who shot himself in the right lower leg with his .223 and completely destroyed his Tibia. He was on duty at the time with his swat, special issue, weapon, of course. Accidental discharge.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:09 | 3066050 mumcard
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Funny that happens when you pull the trigger.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 03:58 | 3065845 A Nanny Moose
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When you have seconds to live, the police are just minutes away.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:38 | 3063484 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Everyone points to guns at causing American violence but they never compare it to Switzerland, where everyone is trained and most are armed.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:47 | 3063522 Lore
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I think theMAXILOPEZpsycho was being tongue-in-cheek.

Never mind the choice of weapons. Focus on the background of the shooter/s. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:51 | 3063552 GMadScientist
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Guns just point to the American lack of ingenuity with respect to the perpetration of said violence.

Go look up the article on the Swiss dude with the multiple kidnapped "children", while you're at it.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:51 | 3063554 Mad Max
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Oh, but Switzerland:

Doesn't have an empire.

Doesn't imprison the largest percentage of its population in the world.

And I suspect, doesn't have nearly as many people on psychoactive drugs as the US.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:20 | 3063698 swmnguy
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Word.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:46 | 3064291 Lore
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What word?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:03 | 3064396 no cnbc cretin
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Right on! There's a lot of screwed up people in this country.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:01 | 3064656 yellowsub
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No guns, no resistance...  Simple as that.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:12 | 3066051 mumcard
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Switzerland also has a stable culture, which they protect through immigration law.  Most of them look the same and share similar beliefs. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:08 | 3063640 El Viejo
Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:12 | 3064891 SAT 800
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Correction; where every male citizen is armed; with a military caliber rifle and ammunition. Yes, it;s more comforting to blame an in-animate object instead of our terminally sick culture.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:22 | 3065596 ajax
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I live in Switzerland. Not everyone is trained and not most are armed. Get a grip. That is an even more enduring myth than why the Nazis didn't invade Helvetia.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:37 | 3064777 cranky-old-geezer
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Ironic that when someone has a gun and is hurting people, the cops are called to bring...guns.

"We order you to stop shooting, drop the weapons, hands up" (shouted thru a bullhorn from a safe distance).

Yes, I'm surre that would work better.

And lots of photo ops for macho swat teams ...always there too late.

Every adult in America should be required to be armed in public. 

It's the only thing that would prevent something like this.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:18 | 3064918 SAT 800
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My step-father used to say that when men carried guns on their hips; there were less assholes around. My personal favorite is the single working woman who was robbed twice of her purse as she returned to her house at the end of her night shift; she rcognized her attacker as a local spear chucker; the "police could do nothing". the third time when he grabbed the purse, she held on to the .44Cal. Bulldog revolver and after he removed the purse from it; she shot him twice in the the middle of the chest. One less problem for the justice system. More common than you might think.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:08 | 3065077 TBT or not TBT
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The cops bring guns to these scenes, because the problem is a nut job using a gun in gun free zone.

Thank your namby pamby gun fearing wussies, the statists control freaks, and more pertinently, the politicians they support,

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:17 | 3064708 klockwerks
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I say this with the "highest" authority, he will!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:55 | 3064846 Kassandra
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We are in Hell.......

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:19 | 3065680 Sam Clemons
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What if there is no hell?  Does that mean men should provide justice here on earth?  Men do these things.  The devil doesn't.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:32 | 3065696 Everybodys All ...
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Do yourself a favor and look up near death experiences. Pretty compelling evidence of heaven and hell from people who came back to life from both places.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 01:11 | 3065734 Sam Clemons
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What organizations are pushing their stories?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:14 | 3066052 mumcard
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Why take chances?  I say we punish the assholes here on earth, just in case.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:36 | 3063472 Texas Ginslinger
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Number of murders seen on TV by the time an average child finishes elementary school: 8,000

Number of violent acts seen on TV by age 18: 200,000

Percentage of Americans who believe TV violence helps precipitate real life mayhem: 79

This study doesn't even touch video game violence....

http://www.csun.edu/science/health/docs/tv&health.html

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:14 | 3063654 williambanzai7
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George Gerbner made a life of "scientifically studying" the effects of media violence.

His observations are very interesting. Basically, he said watching television and movie violence might or might not influence adolescents, but so would a plethora of other factors.

The main effect of media violence and the stress caused by worrying about random gun attacks is a compliant populace willing to trade its freedoms to the government in exchange for a false sense of security.

In other words, the government has an indirect motivation for allowing weapons proliferation and violence in media: fear. This does not mean the government is encouraging mass murder of its own population, but there is a symbiotic relationship between control and fear.

Having said the above, I live in a place where guns are not allowed. The only rare gun stories you read about in the news seem to involve crazy cops and gangsters. But those instances are rare. It is impractical to think the US could ever achieve this level of gun control when the AG of the US is implicated in weapons proliferation.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:36 | 3063811 Shizzmoney
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It is impractical to think the US could ever achieve this level of gun control when the AG of the US is implicated in weapons proliferation.

This. 

Nevermind the fact we can't even put fucking bankers in jail for working with those cartels the AG armed.

If TPTB, and even uber liberals, were REALLY serious about gun control - offer a large sums of moeny for people to turn their guns in to the State, in exchange for a personal debt jubilee (or a hefty reward).

That won't happen, because TPTB need guns to exist to protect the scam.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:21 | 3065318 blunderdog
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There's more to it than that, too.  HUGE country with very porous borders, a very active and large military, relatively low population-density, etc.

You'd have a bitch of a time "rounding up" all of ANYTHING in this place.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:23 | 3063716 Panafrican Funk...
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Clockwork Orange is pretty informative here.  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:29 | 3063760 Shell Game
Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:22 | 3064725 keesooi
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Number of female nipples seen on said TV:  (Almost) One.

I speak of course of the infamous wardrobe malfunction, way back when, Superbowl XXXVIII, which traumatized so many children.

 

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:45 | 3065194 willwork4food
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I largely doubt any young children would care and would probably laugh. It would be their idiot parents that would raise holy hell that would be traumatized, fucking their kids up in the process.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:37 | 3063476 10mm
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Fat people will simply eat with hands,like a Mongolian.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:34 | 3063797 Hi Ho Silver
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And crazy people will just grab a sword if they can't find a gun.

http://www.courant.com/sns-rt-us-china-stabbingsbre8bd065-20121213,0,559...

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:04 | 3064867 caconhma
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This violence is a by-product of American culture. This culture promotes violence, brutality, dishonesty, fraud, and perversion of all decent human values. This violent & perverted culture is a product of Hollywood, mass media, and the American educational system well financed, supported, and directed the World Banking Mafia.

Very sad, sad times!

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:11 | 3065091 TBT or not TBT
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Nonsense.    Today's American culture now tolerates these nut jobs, looks the other way while they fester and plot, giving off all the signs of what they're about.     Such sociopaths existed in the path, but underwent severe correction early on in their errances.    We don't police the people around us today, we let it go.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:36 | 3065160 ForTheWorld
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There's no reason it can't be both. Tolerating them because society breeds them, and we all become desensitised.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:24 | 3065326 blunderdog
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That same culture is what made us the global hyperpower, though.

We really do get a lot DONE because so many Americans only concern themselves with what they believe they can get away with.  It really is one of the secrets of our "success" by whatever measure.  It comes with drawbacks.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:27 | 3064959 SAT 800
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The Fed. Ex. pilot who decided he was getting what he was entitled to decided to use a hammer to murder the flight deck crew of his plane and then crash the plane itself into Fed Ex. headquarters. Hammers are approximately as lethal as pistols; (which are not nearly as effective as people believe), and it was a long and terrible and bloody battle before the semi-conscious and desperately wounded senior pilot and engineer managed to subdue him and land the plane safely. He was a very clever fellow and decided he didn't want the sound of the pistol on the cockpit recorder; actually, the flight engineer noticed he had turned off the recorder and turned it back on again. Another spear chucker who was in line to get demoted; he was so smart he actually thought his life insurance company would pay off on an accidental death claim. fortunately, at least that one wasn;t elected president.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:26 | 3065332 blunderdog
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    Hammers are approximately as lethal as pistols; (which are not nearly as effective as people believe), and it was a long and terrible and bloody battle before the semi-conscious and desperately wounded senior pilot and engineer managed to subdue him and land the plane safely.

WOW!  If that doesn't set off your bullshit-detector, you'd best get it checked.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sentence sounds?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:44 | 3064276 Toxicosis
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Uh, fat people can use hands and other utensils.  And before idiots all spout off about the constitution, just remember one thing.  A gun was invented for the sole purpose of shooting, maiming, or killing either an object animal or human being.  Knives, forks and spoons were invented for utilatarian purposes such as eating and cutting meats, etc.  The original and sole purpose of the weapon known as the gun was to facilitate killing through threat or force of threat. 

On the other hand none of this would have happened if we also allowed all those kids to "carry".  I mean shit why not start them out early, cause they'll only get respect when they carry a gun.  Too bad they can't earn it some other way.  Allright you Jesus freaks and gun-toting NRA members, junk away, as I will hold with my cold dead hands ever so tightly to those who rate me up not down.

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:37 | 3064560 Raymond K Hessel
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The right to bear arms is to defend yourself against government oppression. Not turkeys, not indians, not burglars.

The fact some fuckstick used a gun to kill innocent children should be about the fuckstick, not the gun. 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:52 | 3065802 Alasdair
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Good luck defending yourself from the government with your guns.  You know the US military has guns, too, right?  And probably more firepower than you've been able to accumulate.  Even local police are being militarized these days.

Not saying that the answer is to simply acquiesce.  Just saying you're not getting yourself into a fair fight.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:24 | 3066128 Jerome Lester H...
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There is no such thing as a fair fight. The Revolutionaries were usually outgunned and always faced off against a superior foe. It would be foolish to think that civilians would go head to head against the military. It is not the firepower that matters as much as the tactics used in facing an enemy. The revolutionaries found that facing off against the British army was almost always a losing proposition. Thus they employed guerrilla tactics. It was not until Von Steuben trained Washington's men that they could go toe to toe with the British with any success. When your opposition has superiority in one area then you use that against them. Employing guerrilla tactics is an example of this.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:50 | 3064597 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You're so right. The government should ban guns just like they ban drugs. When guns are as scarce as crystal meth and in the hands of only the criminal minority we will finally be safe. Let's get busy and make it happen!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:27 | 3065139 squib
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Get busy child!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:18 | 3063333 unrulian
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i'm speechless...i have to leave...you're fucking crazy

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:34 | 3063463 SHEEPFUKKER
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I agree man... first ammendment taken away long ago.  We are all speechless. ;-)

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:18 | 3063337 alangreedspank
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I'll take the occasional, sad mall shooting over 200 million deaths by democide in the last century, thank you very much.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:06 | 3063633 Chuck Norris
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I'm staring at your .GIF

Just realized that makes me gay.  

 

 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:54 | 3063906 alangreedspank
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Can't, you're the fucking Norris.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:22 | 3064484 Texas Ginslinger
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If he was really Chuck Norris, your avatar would be gone by now...

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