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Newtown, CT Elementary School Shooting Tally Rises To 27 Dead, Of Whom 20 Children - Live Video

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Update 4: the NYT has released a brief biopic on Lanza's, who it turns out had Asperger's Syndrome:

He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.


Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.


He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.


Until Friday.


The authorities said Mr. Lanza, 20, wearing combat gear, carried out one of the deadliest mass shootings in the nation’s history. He killed 20 children and six adults at the elementary school where his mother worked, they said. He then apparently turned his gun on himself. The police said he also earlier killed his mother.


In his brief adulthood, Mr. Lanza had left few footprints, electronic or otherwise. He apparently had no Facebook page, unlike his older brother, Ryan, a Hoboken, N.J., resident who for several hours on Friday was misidentified in news reports as the perpetrator of the massacre.


Adam Lanza did not even appear in his high school yearbook, that of the class of 2010. His spot on the page said, “Camera shy.” Others who graduated that year said they did not believe he had finished school.


Matt Baier, now a junior at the University of Connecticut, and other high school classmates recalled how deeply uncomfortable Mr. Lanza was in social situations.


Several said in separate interviews that it was their understanding that he had a developmental disorder. They said they had been told that the disorder was Asperger syndrome, which is considered to be a high functioning form of autism.


“It’s not like people picked on him for it,” Mr. Baier said. “From what I saw, people just let him be and that was that.”


One former classmate who said he was familiar with the disorder described Mr. Lanza as having “very flat affect,” adding, “If you looked at him, you couldn’t see any emotions going through his head.”


Others said Mr. Lanza’s evident discomfort prompted giggles from those who did not understand him.


Law enforcement officials said Friday that they were closely examining whether Mr. Lanza had such a disorder.

More here. Indeed, there is a statistical predisposition, at least anecdotally, for those with Asperger's toward both murder and violence.  In other words, watch as the debate rages over the traditional bogeyman of gun control, in a country with over three hundred million weapons, when we may well simply be talking about a mentally ill young adult.

As for the misidentified Ryan, who for a few brief hours was presented by law enforcement as the suspected shoorter, we learn from the WSJ:

Israel raids Palestinian NGO officesKatie Colaneri, a 24-year-old resident of Hoboken, N.J., described herself as a friend of Ryan, the suspect’s brother who for hours Friday was incorrectly identified as the alleged gunman. “He [is] a little shy, but very nice and sweet,” said Ms. Colaneri, who has known Ryan for over a year.


She said Ryan is a gentle guy who was  devoted to his job at the Ernst & Young accounting firm. A representative for Ernst & Young would not comment on his employment status.


A law-enforcement official briefed on the investigation told the Associated Press that Ryan has been “extremely co-operative” and is not under arrest, although he was still being question late Friday.


The official said Ryan’s computers and phone records were being searched but only “in an abundance of caution.” Ryan told authorities he had not been in touch with his brother Adam in recent years, and the official said he isn’t believed to have any connection to the school killings.


In Hoboken, Ryan lives in a newer building that was hard-hit by superstorm Sandy, Ms. Colaneri said. He lost power for a number of days following the storm.


The last time she saw him, about a month ago, Ms. Colaneri recalled that Ryan ran up to her and gave her a hug.  ”I’m really shocked,” she said. “As the details unfolded, I was totally devastated.”

Update 3: ABC has released a picture of the real shooter, Adam Lanza, taken in 2005 when he was ~13 years old.

Update 2 : NY Post now refuting CNN's initial report, and stating that the shooter's real name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza, who is instead brother of the latter. At this point there appears to be a ridiculous amount of confusion who did what, so it perhaps would be prudent on behalf of the authorities to double check this information before releasing it to the media. And just out from AP:

The AP confirms this further here:

The suspect in the Connecticut school shootings is Adam Lanza, 20, the son of a teacher at the school where the shootings occurred, a law enforcement official said Friday. A second law enforcement official says the boy's mother, Nancy Lanza, is presumed dead.


Adam Lanza's older brother, Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., is being questioned by police, said the first official. Earlier, a law enforcement official mistakenly transposed the brothers' first names.


Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.


The first official said Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.


According to the second official, the suspect drove to the scene of the shootings in his mother's car. Three guns were found at the scene — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols — and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. The two pistols were recovered from inside the school.


The official also said Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.


Meanwhile, former Jersey Journal staff writer Brett Wilshe said he has spoken with Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, who told Wilshe the shooter may have had Ryan Lanza's identification.


Ryan Lanza has a Facebook page that posted updates Friday afternoon that read that "it wasn't me" and "I was at work."

Update: According to CNN the shooter's name is Ryan Lanza, out of New Jersey. Based on a White Pages reverse lookup there is an 18-24 year old Ryan Lanza living in Hoboken, NJ whose FaceBook profile lists Newtown, CT as his home city. Whether it is the same person remains to be confirmed officially.


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Sadly, increasingly it appears that not a day, and certainly not a week can pass, in the US without news of some mass killing somewhere. Several days ago its was a mall in Oregon, and today it is a shooting rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Here is what is known: the shooter, who CBS reports is a 20 year old from New Jersey, is reported to be dead. A second shooting suspect, a 24 year old man with a bulletproof vest and 4 guns has been apprehended in custody (this has subsequently been not confirmed). According to CBS 27 people are dead, of whom 18, Connecticut Post 27 people are dead, of whom 20 tragically, children. Among the dead are the principal and the school psychologist. The AP has already dubbed it "the worst school tragedy in American history."

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Live streaming updates on everything Newtown related can be found on the Reuters website here.

More from Reuters:

 At least 27 people, including 18 children, were killed on Friday when at least one shooter opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, CBS News reported, citing unnamed officials.


If confirmed, it would be one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The holiday season tragedy follows a series of shooting rampages in the United States this year that have killed multiple victims, and it was certain to revive a debate about U.S. gun laws.


The principal and school psychologist were among the dead, CNN said. Witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots with some saying as many as 100 were fired.


The suspected shooter, 24, was armed with four weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, WABC reported.


There were unconfirmed reports of a second shooter.


Another person was being held in police custody after he was detained in the woods near the school wearing camouflage pants, CBS reported.


Sandy Hook Elementary School teaches children from kindergarten through fourth grade - roughly ages 5 to 10.


"It was horrendous," said parent Brenda Lebinski, who rushed to the school where her daughter is in the third grade. "Everyone was in hysterics - parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don't know if they were shot, but they were bloodied."


Television images showed police and ambulances at the scene, and parents rushing toward the school. Parents were seen reuniting with their children and taking them home.


"This is going to be bad," a state official told Reuters, requesting anonymity because the scope of the tragedy remained uncertain.


President Barack Obama was notified and would receive regular updates throughout the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.


"We're still waiting for more information about the incident in Connecticut," Carney said when asked about the president's reaction to it.


Carney called the event "tragic" and said there would be time later for a discussion of policy implications.


Obama remains committed to trying to renew a ban on assault weapons, Carney said.


All Newtown schools were placed in lockdown after the shooting, the Newtown Public School District said.


Lebinski said a mother who was at the school during the shooting told her a "masked man" entered the principal's office and may have shot the principal. Lebinski, who is friends with the mother who was at the school, said the principal was "severely injured."


Lebinski's daughter's teacher "immediately locked the door to the classroom and put all the kids in the corner of the room."


Danbury Hospital, about 11 miles (18 km) west of the school, had received three patients from the scene, a hospital spokeswoman told NBC Connecticut. The mayor of Danbury, Mark Boughton, told MSNBC: "They are very serious injuries."

An early report from CBS:

A shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday left several children and the gunman dead, law enforcement sources tell CBS News. At least one teacher was wounded in the shooting that sent frightened pupils into the parking lot.


It is unclear if there was more than one gunman at the school.


Law enforcement sources told CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that preliminary and unconfirmed information indicates that the shooter was the father of a student.


The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way.


It wasn't clear how many people were injured at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. CBS Hartford affiliate WFSB-TV reports around 600 students attend the school.


Connecticut State Police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance described the situation to CBS New York station WCBS-AM as a "very serious school shooting."


A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher had been shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.


Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.


"It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said.


Lisa Bailey, a Newtown resident with three children in Newtown schools, told, "Newtown is a quiet town. I'd never expect this to happen here. It's so scary. Your kids are not safe anywhere."


The superintendent's office said the district had locked down schools in Newtown, about 60 miles northeast of New York City. Schools in neighboring towns also were locked down as a precaution.


State police said Newtown police called them around 9:40 a.m.


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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:43 | 3064580 koncaswatch
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What I noticed was how intently he watches himself.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 04:05 | 3065850 A Nanny Moose
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Well, at least he has purpose.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:10 | 3063985 EscapingProgress
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Don't forget about the additional 300 million or more killed by foreign governments. Governments have proven to be extremely ineffective at protecting their "citizens". Who woulda thunk it?

I am curious, was this school a "gun free" zone?

Furthermore, the principles behind gun control are the same principles behind the justification of the drone campaign in the Middle East. None of those people being blow up by drones had anything to do with 9/11, but 9/11 is the justification for the slaughter. The only reason these human beings are being disintegrated by American bombs is because they have something in common with the alleged hijackers - they are from the Middle East. Similarly, I have had nothing to do with any school shooting, but people advocate for violence to be used upon me because I have something in common with school shooters - I own guns. Those who are consumed by these stereotypical mentalities will direct blame and inevitably violence towards the stereotyped which, when gun control is concerned, is staggeringly ironic.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:36 | 3065619 edb5s
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Ahem...I think you mean you owned guns, right?  Before you lost them in a boating accident?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:19 | 3063347 spankthebernank
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We'll off you first Lopez you fuck

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:20 | 3063348 Element
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Yeah, that's right, you tell 'em, gummint should drop big bombs on all the families wiff gunz.

Man get a grip. unplug

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:26 | 3063401 Troll Magnet
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Welcome to Palestine!  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:20 | 3063362 DaveyJones
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don't worry, they will soon

then you'll really start worrying

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:27 | 3063403 Chuck Norris
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Hilarious!  Hopefully OBAMA! won't kick you in the face (too hard) while you are licking his boots.  Because that's what's gonna happen when they take our firearms from us you dumb shit.  The USG has killed more children and innocents in the last few months alone than all the psycho's on rampages in modern history.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:36 | 3063469 suteibu
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"BEIJING (Reuters) - A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China on Friday, state media reported, the latest in a series of attacks on schoolchildren in the country."

So much for gun bans. They are only meant to keep people from attacking the government. Insanity knows no limits on what to use to kill innocent people.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:16 | 3063677 HoofHearted
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Come on, now we ban knives too. Everyone knows that will solve all the problems. And when someone punches another person, we'll ban people having hands. It all makes perfect sense.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:50 | 3064316 Toxicosis
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Far easier to restrain a man with a knife, than a man with a gun.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:39 | 3064573 Raymond K Hessel
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Exactly, but only the government seeks to restrain men. 

You're horrible.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:54 | 3064634 jonan
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given the choice, i'd rather rush a man with a gun than a man with a knife...guns suck up close compared to knives...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:01 | 3064863 Walter_Sobchak
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yeah, getting shot at point blank range is way less effective than long range.  get a grip moron

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:41 | 3065001 SAT 800
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Actually this is completely correct; especially when the "gun" in question is a semi-adequate cartridge such as a 9mm. People whose business it is to know this; do know this; and they train their personnel accordingly; but it's not common knowledge.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:37 | 3064987 SAT 800
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Oh yeah; you wanna try and restrain me with my USMC Kabar ? You gormless git.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 04:07 | 3065852 A Nanny Moose
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As if those in need of restraint would obey gun bans

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:35 | 3063473 AldoHux_IV
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Is this Mikey Bloom Bloom or Barry?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:39 | 3063488 camaro68ss
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"Only governments are in a moral position to own something as potentially dangerous as a gun. Libertarians and free marketers are getting a good look at their so called "freedoms" today - they are only concerned about the freedom "too" - I say what about freedoms "from."

The government needs to step in right now and make all ownership of guns punishable by a lengthy prison sentence. Only then will the violence cease..."

Go F*** yourself......


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:00 | 3064378 CH1
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Governments and morals???

That's some sick brainwashing there.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:52 | 3064630 lakecity55
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Damn. The 1 most hugest threat to our Liberties, all of them, are the current utterly corrupt bastards up the Potomac.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:56 | 3063556 drexlraw
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@max...fuck you,troll..,sorry camero..

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:03 | 3063612 NoControl
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Ban all guns???

Maybe the Chinese should ban all Knives

22 children, 1 adult hurt in China school attack

Yeah that'll help


It's not the tool...  it's the hand that weilds it.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:03 | 3063619 serog
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"punishable by a lengthy prison sentence".


Yes, outlaw guns.  Just like we outlawed drugs and murder.  How's that working out?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:10 | 3063650 UGrev
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:16 | 3063676 moregoldplease
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You think only guns are weapons? You actually think our government is ruled by morality? You need to practice the critical thinking techniques you learned in school. Oh, they don't teach that anymore.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:31 | 3063778 ReeferMac
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AS the massive amount of negative votes impies, perhaps our government isn't the most 'moral' authority, to be handed such an edict? In-fact, it was that very premise, that caused our founding fathers, to create the 2nd ammendment to the Constitution, as they feared an unarmed populace would be unable to defend themselves against a government authority (e.g. those pesky rebels (ahem, Freedom Fighting Founding Father's to us Yanks), knew first-hand what a goobermint will do to it's people when they are unable to resist).

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:35 | 3063801 Zen Bernanke
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You are just another in a long line of reactionary pratts.  take a few breaths or go for a walk and settle down. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:46 | 3063860 huntergvl
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YOU have had enough? Well that's swell. If only a couple teachers or the principal or the gym teacher might have been armed, they could have stopped the insane MF killing the kids. So take away all the guns from responsible people and just let the maniacs get whatever weapons they have to kill people with.

Grow a set of balls you jackass.

Have you seen the exact same rampages that occur frequently in China? They don't have guns there, so the maniacs use knives and cleavers and kill kids there too.

So, maybe we should outlaw ALL knives, all machetes, all cooking cleavers?

That will make us safe?

You're an Asshole along with everyone who thinks like you. Just because you are too chicken shit to defend your country, your family and friends and guns scare you, makes you part of the problem, not a piehole that offers any kind of relevant solution.

Go here and read all the latest knife wielding psychos in china recently....

Or just read this section:

The attack marks the latest in a series of violent assaults at elementary schools in China. In 2010, a total of 18 children were killed in four separate attacks. On March 23 of that year, Zheng Minsheng attacked children at an elementary school in Fujian Province, killing eight.


One month later, just a few hours after Zheng Minsheng was executed for his crime, another man, Chen Kanbing wounded 16 students and a teacher in a knife attack at another primary school in Fujian. The following month, on May 12, a man named Wu Huangming killed seven children and two adults with a meat cleaver at a kindergarten in Shaanxi Province. That attack was followed by an August 4 assault by Fang Jiantang, who killed three children and one teacher with a knife at a kindergarten in Shandong Province.


In 2011, a young girl and three adults were killed with an axe at an elementary school in Henan Province by a 30-year-old man named Wang Hongbin, and eight children were hurt in Shanghai after an employee at a child care center attacked them with a box cutter.

Guns and knives and axes and cleavers don't kill anyone.....insane Mother Fs do.

This country makes guns. We are into armed conflict. This is reality. Get a god damned gun and become part of the solution if you're man or woman enough. Otherwise keep your chickenshit lame cowardly solutions to yourself puss.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:03 | 3063977 karzai_luver
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While you may have a point buried in there somewhere, you are delusional if you think armed teachers will stop this type of action!


I will leave it to yoru superior intellect to puzzle on the bullshit you posted!


MAD out!


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:01 | 3064651's picture

Why do you believe that it would have been counter productive for any of the half dozen adults who died to have had the ability to defend themselves? Even an untrained chickenshit can point and click when all other options are gone.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:24 | 3064735 BruceBanger
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That's because they don't allow teachers into the public indoctrination system (the vast majority of public schools) unless they already have the right groupthink thoughts, including a hefty load of sissy sensibilities and a willingness to compromise their principles to bow to Federal bureaucratic boards and their PC curricula.  I'd wager most elementary school "teachers" wouldn't carry guns anyway even if it were allowed, as they're not a very self reliant crowd anyway.  The damage they do to students by instilling them with learned helplessness and an aspiration to fail far exceeds their inability to protect them in a crisis.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:38 | 3065167 Toxicosis
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"This country makes guns. We are into armed conflict. This is reality. Get a god damned gun and become part of the solution if you're man or woman enough. Otherwise keep your chickenshit lame cowardly solutions to yourself puss."

That's right we Amerikans are christian war mongers.  We're into violence, war, and brutal unrelenting conflict. So yes get yourself that god-damned gun and mow down your neighbours especially if they look at you the wrong way.  Give those teachers -who none of us can really mentally qualify- guns in the classroom.  Christ maybe we'll even take a couple more kids with us if we fuck up and have a shoot out.  We should also make sure that these teachers carry machete's and samurai swords cause they can all be trusted with proper judgement and use of these dangerous weapons.

Your fucking love of violence is sickening.  You right-wing fucking nut job.  You and too many others thrive on  violence, to the point of psychotic paranoia.  Get a life and get off your fucking power trip.  Asshole.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:50 | 3066169 Jerome Lester H...
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Your love of government is what is sickening. You left wing nut jobs are responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths all in the name of your insane belief system and worldview. You thrive on telling others how they should live and it is because of lunatics like you that we are armed. We are armed because we abhorr violence and the best way to resist force is with equal or greater force. I hear that North Korea has very strict gun control laws and these violent acts never happen there. Perhaps you should move there. I think you would find it suitable to your desire to live in a country where only the authorities are allowed to possess weapons!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:49 | 3063869 Opinionated Ass
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Government schools are responsible for this. You better believe the principal of a for-profit schoolhouse would be packing heat to protect his business from a crazy fuck like this.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:55 | 3063922 BandGap
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Tell you what fucker. When the government can absolutely make this happen I'm all in. But that isn'tt going to fucking happen, fucking psychopaths are always going to get their hands on shit to kill others IF SO MOTIVATED. So stick your idea up yopur ass, sideways.

Read the psychology of the kids killed at Virginia Tech. DO YOU REALIZE that the shooter LINED them up and shot them ONE BY ONE? Yes, victim #8 watched #1-7 take a bullet to the back of the head AND DID NOTHING. OUR SOCIETY IS FLAWED.

Guns? My ass.  Start weeding these people OUT OF SOCIETY.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:03 | 3064392 CH1
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Yes, victim #8 watched #1-7 take a bullet to the back of the head AND DID NOTHING. OUR SOCIETY IS FLAWED.

Yep, government has waged a long war against individual will... and has won.

People no longer believe they have any right to exercise their will in any way.

History suggests that conquest follows, and you can sure see why.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:08 | 3064007 Jam Akin
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I have personally had a loaded gun pointed at me in anger by a convicted felon who had no right to possess that weapon legally.   I was armed.  He did not pull the trigger.  As a consequence, I am very resistant to any state of affairs that does not provide options for self defense with a firearm.  We need to have the ability to protect our loved ones from the likes of the psychopath(s) who perpetrated such a horrific crime today.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:13 | 3064029 yogibear
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If the teachers had packed weapons they could have fired back and offered resistance.

It's become the wild west again. It's about time people start protecting themselves, because the police may not be around or arrive too late.

Get armed and ready people! 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:21 | 3064100 karzai_luver
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if guns were packed by techers you don't really think someone determined to take out techers and whomever else is within sight would go full frontal do you.


you peeps argue over guns this and that, it isn't the point or a solution, but it sure must feel nice to skate over any type of serious thought.



gun ho bitchezz!


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:08 | 3064672's picture

Crazed gunmen favor soft targets. They seem to be more interested in spraying bullets at innocents rather than engaging in tactical maneuvers. Those like the Colorado shooter who used a gas mask and drum magazine in all likelihood reduced his kill rate by trying out his non-existent tactical skills.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:48 | 3065018 SAT 800
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"The police don't need any help from you; and they expect the same from you"---Bob Dylan.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:43 | 3064268 Dickweed Wang
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Your reaction is EXACTLY how TPTB want the sheeple in this country react to this.  Some asshole kills a bunch of inocent people so "let's take everyone's guns away because only the authorities are responsible enough to have guns". 

Why don't you do some reading on the history of the middle of the last century and see how that kind of thing turned out for the people of Soviet Russia, Communist China and Nazi Germany?  The minute they take our guns away we are screwed as a free people - and I use the term "free" very loosely these days . . . If some of the teachers in that school were armed there might have been a lot fewer dead kids.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:42 | 3064269 Atlas Shrugging
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You dangerous fool!  We will never be able to outlaw evil or insanity, and people like you that want to leave me and my family defenseless in the face of such evil make me sick!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:18 | 3064463 Rogue Trooper
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"The government needs to step in right now and make all ownership of guns punishable by a lengthy prison sentence. Only then will the violence cease..."

KEEP WORKING HARD FOR YOUR MASTERS "MAXI-TROLL"...maybe, just maybe, you will be rewarded with a nice gig at the FEMA Camp...... filling in the 'forms' to extract all the data from all those Turrorist.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:21 | 3064478 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Dumbfuck MaxipadLopez said

The government needs to step in right now and make all ownership of guns punishable by a lengthy prison sentence. Only then will the violence cease...

You may think that's true, but in reality, the violence we see these days would pale in comparison to the violence that would be unleashed if the government even tried to implement your "solution."



Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:28 | 3064516 waterhorse
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Governments in a "moral" position to own something as potentially dangerous as a gun?  Surely you jest.  Much as I'm no fan of the mythical "free marketers" and their ilk, I do believe in gun rights for RESPONSIBLE adults.  You must have missed the article about the guy in China that knifed 22 students to death.  If someone wants to kill others, they will find a way.

That said, these poor children did not deserve to die.  I wish these nuts would go postal on banksters and politicians.  I would really have no problem with THAT.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:31 | 3064529 Ookspay
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"Only then will the violence cease..." You are a fool, I am thinking of dozens of ways to kill that don't include a gun. McVeigh did it with fertilizer and deisel fuel. Or try this one:

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:33 | 3064541 Freddie
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Notice how the cops always show up way after the fact.   They were outside Columbine waiting for the shooting to stop on that day.

I was in the local cell phone store, in a good neighborhood today.  Some shortish guy in black was in their like a rent a cop ninja wannabe.  He had a baton, probably a taser.  I was trying to see if he had a pistol.  No one was there the other day???  WTF was up with that?

I think over at the Apple/iPhone store they were on suicide watch.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:40 | 3064574 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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+1000 for the bankers comments. Those poor kids and their families. What a waste.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:45 | 3064812 SAT 800
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I remember a photo of a cop hiding behind the wheel of a car in the parking lot and waiting patiently for the shooting to stop before he approached the school building. I was so disgusted and angry I would have bitch-slapped him myself I knew who he was. It's very interesting to look up how many crimes are stopped every year in the us by armed citizens; it's not a small number; it's a big number.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:32 | 3064761 SAT 800
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Governments are immoral by definition; they exist to steal by force of arms from their citizens; and other countries citizens. "If you make guns illegal, only criminals will have them". Laws don't create social conditions corresponding to the law; they just fill up jails. Does making marijuana illegal cause no one to have marijuana? Of course, you're upset; but giving up your powers of rational analysis in favor of more government authority is not a useful reaction.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:34 | 3064767 bulbous_walrus
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Australia suffered 13 mass murders between 1981 and 1996. In the 16 years since our gun law reforms: zero. No more excuses please America.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:52 | 3064837 SAT 800
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Are you sure you're an Aussie? None of the Aussies I know personally wear pink panties.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:18 | 3065306 dexter_morgan
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Please cite references, and not just mass murders but violent crimes in general.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 01:47 | 3065756 rehypothecator
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How many crimes before and after were lawfully deterred by lawfully owned firearms.  In America, it's in the tens or hundreds of thousands every year.  I don't know about Australia, but in England, it's a big, fat ZERO.  And they like it that way, apparently. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:12 | 3064883 swinglinetot
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theMAXIL - I am perplexed as to how people like you can make such a huge stretch and call for a non-sensical ban on guns. The logic doesn't work because if we all followed that line of thinking, it would mean that we'd all have to ALSO look at everything else that kills - including alcohol.

Did you know that over 10,000 people die EVERY YEAR because of alcohol-related driving accidents - aka Drunk Drivers? Far MORE people dead every year because of 'one too many". So if we want to follow the shills ass-nine way of thinking it means we should consider banning all alcohol.

And that's just the beginning. Let's also look at anything that could be considered - or used as a about rape? Did you know that approx 90,000 women AND MEN are raped each year. I suppose this means that if a man uses his penis as a weapon, it ought to be treated like one and we should give'im the ole' ax??? 

No darling. It's not the gun, the drink or the penis that kills and injures, it's the PEOPLE holding it. It's humanity that needs fixing, NOT what they're weilding.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:36 | 3065365 blunderdog
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     Did you know that approx 90,000 women AND MEN are raped each year.

Men who are raped are almost all victims of public policy.  We tend to like to treat each other other like beasts and slaves whenever we get the opportunity.

As a society, we make it a point not to do anything to prevent *most* male on male rape.  Obviously this is because we want to punish the victims, not because we lack the technology or ability.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:53 | 3065400 Cathartes Aura
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all rape is power over, be it "men" or "women" on the receiving end.

how long has the concept "rape 'n' pillage" been in use?

and sure, as a society, rape is working as intended, keeps everyone pre-occupied, in line.

some live in fear, of those who live in anger.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:30 | 3064933 overbet
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What if he killed a bunch of children with his car driving through a play ground. Should we loose our rights to drive because of one sicko? How about no tv no movies no video games. You suffer from wrong thinking. Its not the gun or car, knife, bat or anything else its the individual. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:37 | 3065165 Savvy
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@ theMAXILOPEZpsycho


Here's a little exercise for you. Why don't you go dig up the data on how many gun wielding mass murderers used rifles or guns they had registered in their own names? When you search that data, you might just also find out how many school school shooters DID use guns or rifles they bought and registered in their own names. Might be interesting....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:10 | 3065276 WP45
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What about knifes? There were 22 school children killed today by a crazy with a knife today somewhere in China. Google it.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:36 | 3065369 blunderdog
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Actually, howzabout YOU Google it 'cause you got the story wrong, dumbass.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:15 | 3065292 dexter_morgan
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LOL...can't be serious I hope.

Is that you Mayor Bloomberg????


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:36 | 3065370 Go Tribe
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Ban computers so dumbfucks like you can't abuse them.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:44 | 3065460 Things that go bump
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I understand that you are very upset.  Everybody is, but this sort of thing is not new.  It happened in my high school when I was a student 45 years ago.  A teacher was shot and the perpetrator walked the halls. When Lisa Bailey said, "Your kids are not safe anywhere," she was stating a simple truth.   They aren't and never have been. You never know when a loved one walks out the door if you will ever see them again.  That is just a fact of life.   You can't protect them and nobody else can either. Safety is an illusion.  If someone tells you he can keep you or yours safe he is telling you a fairy tale.  

I lived in the Philippines during the Marcos regime, and one of the first things he did when he came to power was to outlaw gun ownership among the general population.  Thus, the population was helpless against him and his thugs and thus were robbed blind and abused and raped and killed at will. Rather than turn in their guns, a lot of people went up into the mountains and joined the communists, where they entertained themselves by taking pot shots when military (ours and theirs) used the roads.  Others wrapped their weapons up and buried them.  A well-armed population is our first defense against the depredations of the ruling class and really, at this point, our only defense.  They are so brazen they don't even try to hide their lawlessness anymore.  Imagine what they would permit themselves if we were unarmed.  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:43 | 3065515 grgy
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Ya Maxilopez, just like drugs. Make guns illegal, that will get rid of them.  What a moron!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:58 | 3065550 percolator
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theMAXILOPEZpsycho and everyone who gave you a "thumps up" just proved to everyone you are NOT as smart as a fifth grader

Oh and the CT school where this shooting took place was a "Gun Free" area.

Outlaw guns and only the outlaws will have guns!


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:36 | 3065616 Nick Jihad
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Only then will the violence cease...

Yeah, but it's Hollywood that glorifies guns. Films like The Matrix and Dark Knight put these ideas into weak minds, but somehow Hollywood is never to blame.


Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:28 | 3065690 aerojet
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Yup, enough *is* enough--I would be happy to volunteer as armed security at my kids' school in order to help provide some kind of teeth th dissaude sick fucks who target the innocent.  I'm sure plenty of other fathers and even mothers would join me in protecting our children.  It is the only way--laying down like lambs for the slaughter never succeeds.  Governments have an absolutely horrible track record of protecting their people--mass disarmament always leads to very bad consequences for the trusting souls.  Not for me, thanks.  

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 03:07 | 3065815 Edmund Dantes
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 You are a POS.. hopefully some govenment goon willl put you out of your misery soon

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 03:29 | 3065829 A Nanny Moose
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Only governments are in a moral position to own something as potentially dangerous as a gun.

This was exactly the thought in Nazi Germany, USSR, Mao's PRC, Cambodia, etc. How about the freedom FROM being democided by your own government?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 03:43 | 3065837 Leraconteur
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In the past 100 years when a government eliminates and confiscates guns, often later in their history they then begin to kill the populace or large scale murder occurs by one group against another.

Where did this happen?

Ottoman Turkey, the FSU, Germany and Occupied Europe, PRC and Nationalist China, Guatemala, Uganda, Cambodia, Rwanda.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:05 | 3063235 Pladizow
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UN gun laws wont pass themselves - right FBI, CIA and NSA!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:43 | 3063507 Tsunami Wave
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Shooting kids in an elementary school should get more of the sheeple's attention to get angry, demonize any pro 2nd-amendment politiicians, and "make" politicians pass an amendment that cancels the 2nd amendment!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:00 | 3063602 Syntaxkat
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Still waiting to see if there's confimation on a second shooter.  Every media outlet is investigating, can't wait to see what happens.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:15 | 3063670 Tsunami Wave
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Vamos a ver, señor..

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:18 | 3063689 Bollixed
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I'm waiting to see if this shooter was brainwashed by the thugs at Homeland to perp this horrible deed. Probably found out he was susceptible to programing by his internet profile.

Find them, infiltrate their psyche, have them do your bidding...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:54 | 3063907 smart girl
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I knew the lawyer (Larry Teeter, rest in peace) who represented Sir Han Sir Han, who shot JFK. Sir Han still has no recollection of the shooting, and in some of his trance-enduced writing there are clues to who his programmer was. You can still see a talk Larry gave on youtube of the facts of the case...which is more - will not go into here.

Nothing diminishes the loss and heartbreak many of us are sharing with the victims and the families. My heart goes out to them, and to the children in other countries... Word seem inadequate to express deep hurt, tears, remorse. Prayers, healing, love to all.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:45 | 3064591 Freddie
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I saw some of the Sirhan Sirhan stuff on youtube.  It was a total setup.  The hispanic girl saw his controllers at the hotel - a woman and man.  She was told by a hispanic guy investigating it that she saw nothing.  The guy was CIA.  The whole hotel ballroom in LA was filled with CIA and intelligence people.

Sirhan was never close enough.  he was the distraction and they think a cop near RFK did it.

The Kennedys made a lot of enemies.  JFK cuckholed Cord Meyer's (CIA) wife.  10 days after the Warren Commission report - she was shot twice in DC.  The murder was never solved.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:15 | 3064701's picture



She was told by a hispanic guy investigating it that she saw nothing. The guy was CIA.


I saw that. Quite compelling.


Have you seen this? A witness recently learned that the authorities changed her eyewitness testimony in 1968.


RFK assassination witness tells CNN: There was a second shooter



the FBI misrepresented Rhodes-Hughes' eyewitness account and that she actually had heard a total of 12 to 14 shots fired.


"She identified fifteen errors including the FBI alteration which quoted her as hearing only eight shots, which she explicitly denied was what she had told them," Sirhan's lawyers argued in February, citing a previously published statement from Rhodes-Hughes.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:21 | 3063706 moregoldplease
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Life is risky, that's what makes it fun. Give up of your rights but don't trample on mine.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:29 | 3065145 Tsunami Wave
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I don't want anyones rights or 2nd amendment rights to be infriged or trifled on... personally, I think everyone who qualifies to own firearms should be trained and own one, and be entitled to CCPs.  I don't know why people are junking my earlier comment.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:01 | 3063572 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Read the comments @ Huff Post holy shit.. Never let a good crises go to waste. The gun grabers are coming out of the woodwork. May god rest these childrens souls.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:11 | 3063657 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"Never let a good crises go to waste."

Qui Bono?

Not difficult to determine who is really behind this shit, yes?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:32 | 3063770 Alea Iactaest
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This is a tragedy. I feel like vomiting. I can't wait to get my kids home from school, to have them under my protection. All you gun grabbers go to hell. I have a right to self defense.

For everyone who thinks we have to "do something" I agree. We need to do something about the crazies. In the meantime, if you're thinking we need to "do something" to infringe the Second Amendment, please think about this quote from Daniel Webster, "A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures."

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 03:40 | 3065835 A Nanny Moose
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Not to question your methods, or circumstances in any way but...

Why anyone send their kids to schools at all? Why send them to a place where they are forced to associate with others who are, themselves only there by force?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:57 | 3066181 jemlyn
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No one has mentioned what we might do to control mentally deranged people.  We used to have mental hospitals but then dismantled the system.  Some people knew this young man was dangerous, principally his mother and brother but others too.  What could they do?  First of all she should have made sure he couldn't get access to her guns.  Beyond that, if she tried to get help for him she would only get medication.  Maybe that works but only under tight supervision.  It seems that she was in an argument with him that morning and he killed her too.  It sort of looks like he targeted the children because she worked at the school.   Maybe he was jealous of her affection for them.  He should have been locked up.  I don't know if there is a way to do that until after a crime has been committed.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:01 | 3064386 cougar_w
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I don't even know exactly where you are taking that, and it makes me sick.

It starts here. It ends in a schoolyard.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:53 | 3065040 crusty curmudgeon
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This tragedy is tailor made for a new "assault weapons" ban.  We will be hearing how hunters (hunting is, of course, the only legitimate reason to own a gun according to the gun banners) don't need rapid fire semi-automatics nor large magazines. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:41 | 3065379 Go Tribe
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Cept the guy used handguns

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:03 | 3065487 crusty curmudgeon
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Yes, semi-automatic handguns.  Perhaps they will seize this as an opportunity to ban handguns as well.

He also used a semi-automatic .223 rifle which can, egad, use a high capacity magazine.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:20 | 3063694 HoofHearted
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Luckily for me the AK is getting delivered today. I might not be able to get my hands on one next week. Yes, I'm planning on taking it on a canoe trip with my silver this weekend, just in case anyone is interested.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:55 | 3064244 Jam Akin
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That sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:12 | 3064036 vast-dom
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Children stabbed in attack at Chinese school   Police say nearly two dozen children injured in central China province of Henan by knife-wielding villager



Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:55 | 3064349 Toxicosis
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Does that make gun ownership any more acceptable?  Your argument is a strawman.  You bring a knife, I'll bring a gun instead.  Holy fuck, use your head.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:44 | 3064587 Raymond K Hessel
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Right now your practice of your first amendment rights is disgusting.  In your world, that is the threshold to lose your rights.  If you give your first amendment rights, I'll give up mine.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:04 | 3065427 blunderdog
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That sounds a lot like someone who doesn't quite understand what the 1st Amendment is all about.  It has something to do with recognizing what can and can't be controlled. 

The government which passes laws which can never be enforced damns itself to irrelevance.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:35 | 3064769 BruceBanger
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Why do you consider this a gun control issue?  Wouldn't it be much more valid to ask why what seems like an ordinary 24 year old who didn't register a blip in the background checks of buying several guns and apparently body armor turned into a person decided he needed to commit the worst sort of homicide possible?  Stable individuals do not do this.  Would it have been better if he'd used a knife or bomb?  It's quite clear this was premediated, not an act of passion, which means he wanted to do this deed regardless by how he got it done.  It's incredibly narrow minded to think this could have only been carried out with a gun.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:34 | 3065500 TBT or not TBT
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Well he wasn't quite "ordinary" now was he?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:03 | 3064870 SAT 800
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Using your head, as you reccomend; reveals that it makes gun ownership much more acceptable; more desirable, in deed. You see we have to deal with the facts as they exist in the real world; we don't want the crazed attacker with his gun to be confronted with a sincere school teacher with a kitchen knife. It is absolutely physically impossible to remove guns from the north american continent. It would be much better for everyone concerned if the hall monitors; or the janitor; or the principal; or willing participating teachers were trained in hand gun use; and practising daily concealed carry. As you observe the best defense in a gun battle is a gun. As a matter of fact anyone with a reasonable amount of experience with human beings and how they act would predict that fewer murders would show up at school if they fully expected to be confronted with lethal force.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:24 | 3064952 nmewn
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Well said.

If the the office, where the shooter first went...had been armed...there would be less dead babies.

As it is, its a crime to be within 500ft? of a school (let alone it) with a gun.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:42 | 3065178 Toxicosis
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:57 | 3065225 nmewn
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Sure thing...

"Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing an orange jumpsuit and a trenchcoat,[1] he made no attempt to hide his rifle. When he entered the school, he fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others before leaving, intending to drive off campus and conduct another shooting at the nearby Pearl Junior High School. However, assistant principal Joel Myrick had retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother's car. Then Myrick demanded "Why did you shoot my kids?" to which Woodham replied, "Life has wronged me, sir."[2]

The operative sentence is highlighted...he had to retrieve his handgun from the glove compartment of his truck...first. If he had it in his office, others may not have died.

There's not much society can do about about the oddball lunatic taking a few people out...there is something we can do to keep a tragedy from becoming a complete massacre.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:35 | 3065363 Calmyourself
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More proof:

Millions more just no media coverage

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:56 | 3065483 nmewn
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Sure got quiet around this section of the thread didn't it? ;-)

////////////////// just keeps getting worse & worse for our soft, academic, touchy-feely gun grabbing friends coming over from the Daily Kos (like the ghouls they are).

Figured I better grab this before it got discovered and disappeared down the interwebs rabbit hole of "What?...Got any proof?"

"(Principal) Hochsprung recently installed a new security system to ensure student safety.

In a letter this fall to parents, Hochsprung said that every visitor would be required to ring the doorbell at the front entrance after the doors locked at 9:30 a.m.

A staff member would use a visual monitoring system to determine entry.

Parents and visitors then had to report directly to the main office and sign in. Parents would also be asked for photo identification if the staff didn't recognize them.

In a letter addressed to "Members of our Sandy Hook Family," she asked parents to be patient with the school district's new system in all elementary schools.

"Please understand that with nearly 700 students and over 1,000 parents representing 500 SHS families, most parents will be asked to show identification," Hochsprung wrote.

Hochsprung said glitches would be inevitable, and parents might have to wait to be buzzed inside the school because office staff is often busy on the phone, in the copy room or handling student concerns.

"Though they will work diligently to help you into the building as quickly as possible, there may be a short delay until someone can view you on the handset and allow you to come in electronically," Hochsprung said.

How do we stop the violence?

"We continue to encourage and value your presence in our classrooms and are counting on your cooperation with the implementation of this safety initiative," she wrote.

On her principal's page of the school website, Hochsprung emphasizes the school's "rich history of establishing high expectations and sustaining strong academic performance."

"Our Responsive Classroom approach focuses on the benefits of a climate of kindness and respect where all community members feel accepted, important, and secure," Hochsprung wrote.

On Friday, the district's webpage featured a gallery of school photos with the caption "Safe School Climate."

The murderer was either buzzed in by "highly skilled government school staff" or the ONLY security involved at this school was a locked door with a remote camera.

Yeah, they got it all figured out, trust them.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:04 | 3064398 cougar_w
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That's great news, it was only a knife. Stitches and scars.

In America it's a trunk full of shotguns and AR-15 and everyone dies instantly for 100 yards in all directions.

Deny it. Slander those who tell it ye, or admit it for your factious purposes and make it worse.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:21 | 3064724's picture


Stitches and scars.



Note to self: stock up on really big band-aids.

Recent years have seen a series of often-deadly attacks on Chinese schools. Among the worst was a March 2010 attack, when a man used a knife to kill eight students outside a school in Fujian province.



Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:23 | 3065064 nmewn
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Guns are the problem in mass murder eh?

The Happy Land Fire...87 dead...gasoline.

Or lets pull up America's deadliest school mass murder itself, what was the tool used?


I'm surprised at your ignorance cougar. In the first instance, the gasoline didn't spread itself and ignite. In the second instance, explosives didn't get placed under THE SCHOOLS by elves.


I forgot to add on the TWO school bombings in Michigan that killed the innocent (adults & children) was done by a government employee who was no stranger to the school.

Regards ;-)

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:14 | 3064045 elementary
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Why just banksters? Add politicians and judges.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:32 | 3064534 waterhorse
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and captured regulators and lobbyists.  DEFINITELY lobbyists.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:02 | 3065558 ImReady
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But... But it was a "Gun Free Zone "... Didn't the criminal know? Perfect reason for concealed carry imho. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:02 | 3065559 ImReady
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But... But it was a "Gun Free Zone "... Didn't the criminal know? Perfect reason for concealed carry imho. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:00 | 3063194 Treason Season
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MK Ultra baby!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:03 | 3063215 john39
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SSRI and other anti-depression medications are often linked to mass murder attacks...  a fact largely concealed by the corporate owned media.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:14 | 3063294 Wakanda
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I wanna see a list of the drugs the shooter was on.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:18 | 3063336 john39
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dark times...  22 kids were attacked by a guy with knife today in China as well:


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:27 | 3063409 Troll Magnet
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Ban ALL knives!  And forks!  And chopsticks!  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:27 | 3063414 john39
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note, almost impossible for a citizen to legally own a gun in China...   so they use knives...  as mentioned in article linked above, the gov required the use of a national ID card when buying large knives....  you can't make this shit up.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:57 | 3064853 cranky-old-geezer
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22 kids were attacked by a guy with knife today in China as well:

Then I doubt these assaults are coincidental.  At the risk of being downvoted to oblivion I'll raise the possiblity of false flag, and no it's not being disrespectful to the victims nor their families. 

Let's watch and see what legislation slips thru congress now.  Remember, they had the Patriot Act already written and waiting on 9/11.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:20 | 3065316 supafuckinmingster
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john39: "dark times...  22 kids were attacked by a guy with knife today in China as well:



Yeah that is very fucking disturbing alright.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:19 | 3063345 F. Bastiat
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TV.  The copycat violence impelled by the images, fantasies, and illusions conjured up by the mass-TV-media are legion.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:23 | 3065780 TBT or not TBT
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A guy named "John" wrote the last book of the bible, the Apocalypse almost two millenia ago, without TV or science fiction books to help.   The human imagination is about what it always was.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:00 | 3063592 Raymond Reason
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I wanna see a list of the drugs the shooter was on.


Not only that, but who has he been in contact with for the last 3 months. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:39 | 3065377 blunderdog
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Good call.  This may be why gummit built that info-warehouse in Utah.  And people COMPLAIN?  Sheesh.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:48 | 3064308 kridkrid
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It'll be good to know more than just that. The Colorado shooter had a fascination about mind control. Studied it, wrote about it...dabbled. MSM didn't seem to think it was important enough to mention or write about.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 03:50 | 3065841 A Nanny Moose
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SSRIs are on the list of common drug therapies for Aspergers.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:17 | 3063328 Frank N. Beans
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link? yes

cause?  maybe, maybe not

sometimes the drugs just don't work


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:29 | 3063380 john39
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better to be depressed, because the world is in fact fucked up, than to drug yourself into a ticking time bomb/zombie...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:03 | 3063622 Raymond Reason
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Hi doses of Niacin (vit B3) has been the most effective cure for all forms of mental illness, WITHOUT side effects.  It is both effective and cheap, therefore it is almost never used.   See studies by Drs. Abrham Hoffer and Andrew Saul. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:15 | 3064704 Orange Pekoe
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My vote on most violence is niacin deficiency from eating too much junk. The pandemic vitamin deficiency disease pellagra causes aggression and confusion. Millions of people on food stamps eating junk? Rising food prices? No problem! 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 03:56 | 3065844 A Nanny Moose
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I'm sure the FDA does all it can to stifle the dissemination of such information.

Looks like The Teleprompter was right. We need to eat our peas.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:58 | 3063487 DaveyJones
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your friendly drug companies repeatedly denied any connection between their manufactured pills and the possibility of a violent reaction. When some of them produced their newest anti depressant (mostly for profit) and published their qualities in PDR, they were (as always) required to state what was unique about this latest version. They, no joke, stated that this version did not cause the violent reaction....

still, in your defense, I must say this violent trend is not surprising. Maybe I am completely biased by working both sides of criminal justice for two decades but I think this stuff will continue to grow. I also agree that it has a lot to do with external factors and a growing and severe mental illness in our young people. Look at the world we are handing them. Look at lies we are telling them. Look at the hypocrisy we shove into their face every day in an act more damaging than the underlying harm that is our lie. Look at their stress. How can we expect them to have any respect let alone understand our most intuitive moral rules when every aspect of authority is breaking them which, in the end, is breaking them. 

As many have said, the ironic tragedy is they take it out on the very last folks to blame. but that only proves the depth of our damage and the depth of these ugly truths.. I can only hope, as things get worse enough folks, who are blessed with strength and true mental health will steer their outrage in the right direction....      

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:58 | 3063589 john39
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a random guy with a gun is a murderer/terrorist....   dropping a nuclear weapon on a civilian city in an already defeated nation to send a message to a third country enemy is considered saving lives....     or, as pointed out above, how many kids have been blown to pieces by drones in Pakistan or elsewhere in the ME by a guy who was awarded a nobel peace prize?   

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:24 | 3065782 TBT or not TBT
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One word.   Okinawa.    The japanese would have fought to the death on the mainland.    Dropping the bombs caused far far fewer casualties.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:51 | 3064325 MsCreant
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Good post DaveyJ. You touch a lot of things my son and I have been discussing lately. I don't know how to take away his cynicism when I am so cynical myself. Innocent and cynical is a really odd combination to see your child embody. Events like this sure don't help.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:50 | 3064620 DaveyJones
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Thank you MsC. I have some bad news to update. I guess it proves the point. Maybe not. My seventeen year old called angy and stressed. She gets angry when she gets stressed. And my wife called crying. It seems a kid at my child's high school shot and killed himself with a gun in our high school parking lot. No one else was hurt.

We really do need to take a step back here. Our children are our canaries. We owe them more than our fucking coal mines.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:09 | 3064884 Cathartes Aura
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Our children are our canaries

this.  it's an obvious statement, yet rarely mentioned amidst all the ranting about individual rights.

this suicide has a demographic in common with the mass-shooter today, and it's worth noting whether folks here think so or not.

the culture is destroying itself, from the top down.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:37 | 3064988 cougar_w
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It certainly is. The young have clearly given up. I don't know how a society can go forward when its young people cannot but kill themselves and their peers.

I read something recently that rang true. That America in its sterile malls and collasal freeways and violent media built a landscape of scary places, and became a nation of scary people.

If that's true, then our fate is sealed. We are in the nightmare, the nightmare became us, and the nightmare will now devour us whole.

A strange and terrible fate. A strange and terrible way to go.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:39 | 3065172 nmewn
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As a "cynical brother" to both MsC and Davey, I would just like to point out, that most kids are not homicidal maniacs.

They're just like MsC's, Davey's and mine...normal.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:34 | 3065360 Cathartes Aura
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this culture breeds sociopathy, intentionally destroys empathy.

it's not universal, but it does dominate everything the majority plugs itself into.

days like these make me grateful for the people around me who still have the ability to feel, not just react in defensive angry outbursts.  and to care about young folks.  people with the ability to put themselves into a young persons head space, and realise just how nightmarish the world must appear to them without loving support around. . .

peace coug.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:06 | 3065504 DaveyJones
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Although a lot of sick bastards set her sails, like every other, this society does its greatest damage unintentionally through stupidity, arrogance and greed. Empathy destruction is a sick, fascinating example. For his men, the soldier falls on a grenade but thinks his enemy is a dog. For his students, the Stanford undergraduate can be the screaming prisoner or the sadistic guard. Like strange tricks played by our own immune system. The Glasgow working hand, shoved into underground and crowded living quarters, scrambling though the first ugly glimpse into the industrial (and ironically named) "revolution," either died from contracted disease or survived through a bizzare immune system transformation that saved him in the short run only to have his life shut down many years early at the back end. As Cougar calls it, we're living a sick inverted version where our young, scrambling through these collapsing structures are shutting down and striking out.           

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:55 | 3065542 Miffed Microbio...
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CA,you've hit on what I believe may be the crux of the issue. The lack of empathy and connection to others, especially for younger people today. While they think they are more "connected" due to Facebook, they are actually living very solitary, isolated lives. When i was younger my friends and close adults help me through some horrible times by just being present, supportive and lending a shoulder to cry on when I needed it. Everyone now is too busy to talk to a kid and take the time to figure them out. " what's that Johnny? Well, mommys busy....go play on your Xbox". I do get it .....we're all stressed out about current global events that are coming at us at all sides. All of us here are acutely aware of this. However, may be we should cut out some of the noise and focus a bit more on the kids. They're killing each other.


Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:26 | 3065785 TBT or not TBT
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Kids played at war and "killing" eachother long before there were Xboxes, or guns, or metallurgy of any kind.     That's how mammals learn while growing up, by playing.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:34 | 3064545 Itch
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Folks who are blessed with "strength and true mental health" would not multiply in the first place... aka tie a fucking knot in it. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:55 | 3063574 Miss Expectations
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Here you go, Frank:

The Untold Story of Psychotropic Drugging

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:05 | 3065431 dogbreath
Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:39 | 3063489 alangreedspank
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The root of it all it awful parenting which is still very common contrary to popular belief. The drugs are used to keep this problem under wrap instead of facing it. Sadly those drugs make people lose their marbles even more so.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:08 | 3063644 Raymond Reason
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Parenting is more difficult now.  In the past, a parents efforts were supported and reinforced by culture.  Now parents must work twice as hard to counteract the deleterious influences of culture.  (And work two jobs.) 

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