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Newtown, CT Elementary School Shooting Tally Rises To 27 Dead, Of Whom 20 Children - Live Video

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Update 4: the NYT has released a brief biopic on Lanza's, who it turns out had Asperger's Syndrome:

He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.


Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.


He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.


Until Friday.


The authorities said Mr. Lanza, 20, wearing combat gear, carried out one of the deadliest mass shootings in the nation’s history. He killed 20 children and six adults at the elementary school where his mother worked, they said. He then apparently turned his gun on himself. The police said he also earlier killed his mother.


In his brief adulthood, Mr. Lanza had left few footprints, electronic or otherwise. He apparently had no Facebook page, unlike his older brother, Ryan, a Hoboken, N.J., resident who for several hours on Friday was misidentified in news reports as the perpetrator of the massacre.


Adam Lanza did not even appear in his high school yearbook, that of the class of 2010. His spot on the page said, “Camera shy.” Others who graduated that year said they did not believe he had finished school.


Matt Baier, now a junior at the University of Connecticut, and other high school classmates recalled how deeply uncomfortable Mr. Lanza was in social situations.


Several said in separate interviews that it was their understanding that he had a developmental disorder. They said they had been told that the disorder was Asperger syndrome, which is considered to be a high functioning form of autism.


“It’s not like people picked on him for it,” Mr. Baier said. “From what I saw, people just let him be and that was that.”


One former classmate who said he was familiar with the disorder described Mr. Lanza as having “very flat affect,” adding, “If you looked at him, you couldn’t see any emotions going through his head.”


Others said Mr. Lanza’s evident discomfort prompted giggles from those who did not understand him.


Law enforcement officials said Friday that they were closely examining whether Mr. Lanza had such a disorder.

More here. Indeed, there is a statistical predisposition, at least anecdotally, for those with Asperger's toward both murder and violence.  In other words, watch as the debate rages over the traditional bogeyman of gun control, in a country with over three hundred million weapons, when we may well simply be talking about a mentally ill young adult.

As for the misidentified Ryan, who for a few brief hours was presented by law enforcement as the suspected shoorter, we learn from the WSJ:

Israel raids Palestinian NGO officesKatie Colaneri, a 24-year-old resident of Hoboken, N.J., described herself as a friend of Ryan, the suspect’s brother who for hours Friday was incorrectly identified as the alleged gunman. “He [is] a little shy, but very nice and sweet,” said Ms. Colaneri, who has known Ryan for over a year.


She said Ryan is a gentle guy who was  devoted to his job at the Ernst & Young accounting firm. A representative for Ernst & Young would not comment on his employment status.


A law-enforcement official briefed on the investigation told the Associated Press that Ryan has been “extremely co-operative” and is not under arrest, although he was still being question late Friday.


The official said Ryan’s computers and phone records were being searched but only “in an abundance of caution.” Ryan told authorities he had not been in touch with his brother Adam in recent years, and the official said he isn’t believed to have any connection to the school killings.


In Hoboken, Ryan lives in a newer building that was hard-hit by superstorm Sandy, Ms. Colaneri said. He lost power for a number of days following the storm.


The last time she saw him, about a month ago, Ms. Colaneri recalled that Ryan ran up to her and gave her a hug.  ”I’m really shocked,” she said. “As the details unfolded, I was totally devastated.”

Update 3: ABC has released a picture of the real shooter, Adam Lanza, taken in 2005 when he was ~13 years old.

Update 2 : NY Post now refuting CNN's initial report, and stating that the shooter's real name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza, who is instead brother of the latter. At this point there appears to be a ridiculous amount of confusion who did what, so it perhaps would be prudent on behalf of the authorities to double check this information before releasing it to the media. And just out from AP:

The AP confirms this further here:

The suspect in the Connecticut school shootings is Adam Lanza, 20, the son of a teacher at the school where the shootings occurred, a law enforcement official said Friday. A second law enforcement official says the boy's mother, Nancy Lanza, is presumed dead.


Adam Lanza's older brother, Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., is being questioned by police, said the first official. Earlier, a law enforcement official mistakenly transposed the brothers' first names.


Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.


The first official said Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.


According to the second official, the suspect drove to the scene of the shootings in his mother's car. Three guns were found at the scene — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols — and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. The two pistols were recovered from inside the school.


The official also said Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.


Meanwhile, former Jersey Journal staff writer Brett Wilshe said he has spoken with Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, who told Wilshe the shooter may have had Ryan Lanza's identification.


Ryan Lanza has a Facebook page that posted updates Friday afternoon that read that "it wasn't me" and "I was at work."

Update: According to CNN the shooter's name is Ryan Lanza, out of New Jersey. Based on a White Pages reverse lookup there is an 18-24 year old Ryan Lanza living in Hoboken, NJ whose FaceBook profile lists Newtown, CT as his home city. Whether it is the same person remains to be confirmed officially.


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Sadly, increasingly it appears that not a day, and certainly not a week can pass, in the US without news of some mass killing somewhere. Several days ago its was a mall in Oregon, and today it is a shooting rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Here is what is known: the shooter, who CBS reports is a 20 year old from New Jersey, is reported to be dead. A second shooting suspect, a 24 year old man with a bulletproof vest and 4 guns has been apprehended in custody (this has subsequently been not confirmed). According to CBS 27 people are dead, of whom 18, Connecticut Post 27 people are dead, of whom 20 tragically, children. Among the dead are the principal and the school psychologist. The AP has already dubbed it "the worst school tragedy in American history."

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Live streaming updates on everything Newtown related can be found on the Reuters website here.

More from Reuters:

 At least 27 people, including 18 children, were killed on Friday when at least one shooter opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, CBS News reported, citing unnamed officials.


If confirmed, it would be one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The holiday season tragedy follows a series of shooting rampages in the United States this year that have killed multiple victims, and it was certain to revive a debate about U.S. gun laws.


The principal and school psychologist were among the dead, CNN said. Witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots with some saying as many as 100 were fired.


The suspected shooter, 24, was armed with four weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, WABC reported.


There were unconfirmed reports of a second shooter.


Another person was being held in police custody after he was detained in the woods near the school wearing camouflage pants, CBS reported.


Sandy Hook Elementary School teaches children from kindergarten through fourth grade - roughly ages 5 to 10.


"It was horrendous," said parent Brenda Lebinski, who rushed to the school where her daughter is in the third grade. "Everyone was in hysterics - parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don't know if they were shot, but they were bloodied."


Television images showed police and ambulances at the scene, and parents rushing toward the school. Parents were seen reuniting with their children and taking them home.


"This is going to be bad," a state official told Reuters, requesting anonymity because the scope of the tragedy remained uncertain.


President Barack Obama was notified and would receive regular updates throughout the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.


"We're still waiting for more information about the incident in Connecticut," Carney said when asked about the president's reaction to it.


Carney called the event "tragic" and said there would be time later for a discussion of policy implications.


Obama remains committed to trying to renew a ban on assault weapons, Carney said.


All Newtown schools were placed in lockdown after the shooting, the Newtown Public School District said.


Lebinski said a mother who was at the school during the shooting told her a "masked man" entered the principal's office and may have shot the principal. Lebinski, who is friends with the mother who was at the school, said the principal was "severely injured."


Lebinski's daughter's teacher "immediately locked the door to the classroom and put all the kids in the corner of the room."


Danbury Hospital, about 11 miles (18 km) west of the school, had received three patients from the scene, a hospital spokeswoman told NBC Connecticut. The mayor of Danbury, Mark Boughton, told MSNBC: "They are very serious injuries."

An early report from CBS:

A shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday left several children and the gunman dead, law enforcement sources tell CBS News. At least one teacher was wounded in the shooting that sent frightened pupils into the parking lot.


It is unclear if there was more than one gunman at the school.


Law enforcement sources told CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that preliminary and unconfirmed information indicates that the shooter was the father of a student.


The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way.


It wasn't clear how many people were injured at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. CBS Hartford affiliate WFSB-TV reports around 600 students attend the school.


Connecticut State Police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance described the situation to CBS New York station WCBS-AM as a "very serious school shooting."


A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher had been shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.


Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.


"It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said.


Lisa Bailey, a Newtown resident with three children in Newtown schools, told, "Newtown is a quiet town. I'd never expect this to happen here. It's so scary. Your kids are not safe anywhere."


The superintendent's office said the district had locked down schools in Newtown, about 60 miles northeast of New York City. Schools in neighboring towns also were locked down as a precaution.


State police said Newtown police called them around 9:40 a.m.


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Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:29 | 3065787 TBT or not TBT
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Government incentivizes family disfunction, systematically, for its benefit.    

Welfare moms and absent dads are the health of the state.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:27 | 3065816 Jam Akin
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You would not have said what you did if you were the parent of a child on the autism spectrum.  The problem in this case is that this differently wired/disturbed/medicated young man had access to the guns at home.  He should not have.  And that is where his late mother erred.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:01 | 3063601 GMadScientist
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Because people on SSRIs don't already have issues that might lead to violence.

Correlation, causation..."which a dese?"

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:29 | 3063759 Liquid Courage
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Yes! When one (of the disturbingly numerous) side-effects of an Antidepressant is "may cause suicidal thoughts" you just have to go: WTF??!!

Have we lost our freaking minds, here?


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:15 | 3063317 Renewable Life
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This sickness is beyond comprehension!!!!

As a parent, I'm actually physically sick for these people!! Home schooling is looking better and better!!

27 people, and at least 11 are adults, Jesus he must have killed half the staff!!!!! I'm just sick!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:24 | 3063383 forexskin
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just f**k

i've got the same thoughts - i'm tempted to go get my kids right now.

i can only imagine the spin on this - only criminals would do this, and the story line will play to those who want to take away my right to defend myself and familiy from these sick bastards.

this stinks, and there will be more to see behind the obvious.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:12 | 3063658 northerngirl
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My children have been home schooled for the past four years.  What did it for me was the day I brought them to school and the bomb squad, fire department, and sheriffs department was there and all entering the school had to be searched.  Some one had called in a bomb threat.  This was in addition to the school being locked down several times during that particular school year.

This is not about guns, this is about an individual with mental health problems.  Take away guns from the general public and people will still find ways to kill.  People kill people.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:53 | 3063901 XitSam
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I've said this before ... When I was growing up, the local NRA gun club had a pistol and .22 rifle range ... in the basement of the high school. No one was shot.

The gun control crowd wants to put my 80 year old mother at the mercy of any thug that can kick down her door. Well, screw that.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:06 | 3064407 Toxicosis
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He could just beat her with his fists.  Why doesn't she just get a rocket launcher instead of a gun.  That's a much better detterent, and the constitution states any type of arm.  Fuck why not just give a nuclear fucking warhead.  Nobody would mess with her then.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:30 | 3064758's picture

Nuclear weapons are too expensive and cause far too much collateral damage for home defense. I'm surprised you didn't see that.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:43 | 3064804 cornedmutton
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Hey. ASSHOLE.  Guns are the great equalizer.  They permit said 80-year-old woman the ability to resist in the face of overwhelming physical aptitude.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:06 | 3064414 cougar_w
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Unless she's sitting with a loaded gun in her lap when they come in, nothing is going to save your 80 yo mom. Sorry. This is not a movie.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:34 | 3064771's picture



82-year-old fights off attacker

Posted: Mar 16, 2010 5:02 PM
Updated: Mar 16, 2010 5:02 PM


SIERRA VISTA - An 82-year-old woman takes matters into her own hands after she's attacked in a Wal-Mart parking lot in Sierra Vista.

Police said the suspect Stephen Prickett beat the woman with her own cane until she grabbed her gun from her purse and started firing

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:08 | 3064429 trav777
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First pop, the schools go on lockdown.

I told my kids to jump out the window and run as far away from the large concentration of targets as fast as they possibly could.

You're under bombardment, do you stand next to all the tanks?!?!  Congregating in the corner behind a flimsy door is not my idea of a good security reaction.  But, really, it's more important for the POLICE that nobody exits the building, that way it is easier for them to contain the situation.  You saw how they led people out of various situations like gunpoint and frequently handcuffed.  Maybe they watched Die Hard too much.

Oh but "lockdown" sounds so tough and securityish and all that.  Like a prison or something.  Where the mayhem gets contained within the 4 walls.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:28 | 3064517 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Schools and prisons are connected way more than people realize. Just look at the lunches, and the fast track from one to the other.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:13 | 3064893 Cathartes Aura
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and the mass-pharma dispensed, vaccinations, etc.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:31 | 3065788 TBT or not TBT
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Government schools are day prisons for immature people, built on a factory paradigm, like prisons!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:04 | 3065069 centerline
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I try to teach my kids to think on thier feet like that as well.  Little tid bits here and there hoping some of that stuff sinks in.  Hope they never need it.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:16 | 3064908 Encroaching Darkness
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Yeah, my two kids were both homeschooled, the girl after social issues in 7th grade (why are 7th grade girls such little bitches?) and the boy after 3rd, once he left the excellent care and teaching of a "special needs" teacher who saw past his "speech delay" and said to herself. "Wow! I've got a live one here! I CAN teach him something!" Bless Ms. Leith, she did wonders for my kid, and when the funding went south and they started "mainstreaming" him, we saw how poorly the next one paid attention. We've homeschooled them ever since, she's graduating with her B.A. in the spring, he'll have his associates' and transfer up for the rest of his B.S.


But then, not everyone can; I've got a M.S. in engineering, the wife has a B.S. in engineering, and there's nothing we were afraid to teach; I took on chemistry, she taught mathematics and everything else. We had some rather frank discussion sessions with both of them, since my wife is partly a statist (she doesn't believe all government is evil) and I'm becoming less republican and more libertarian with every passing day. They both think for themselves, and cannot believe how much lying goes on, each and every day, everywhere.


But if you outlaw guns, only criminals (that is, government employees, mentally ill murderers and statist thieves) will have guns; just ask Russians, Chinese and Tibetans (among others ) how that turns out.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:24 | 3065481 dogbreath
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They both think for themselves, and cannot believe how much lying goes on, each and every day, everywhere.

congradulations on a job well done.   Theere are so many lies, spin spin spin

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:16 | 3065677 brettd
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Columbine, Virginia Tech and Connecticut all have one thing in common:

Not one shot fired in defense of the innocent.  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:23 | 3063711 PianoRacer
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What on earth would possess you to abandon your children to the goons of the State?!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:04 | 3063983 tango
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Your experience is vastly different than mine or anyone I know.  My wife and I went to public school, were not "brainwashed" and are successful.  I worked for Ron Paul in '08 and '12.  Our biggest problem besides coverage was "supporters".  

Folks latched on to the most outlandish yarns of supporters - 911, UFOs,  concentration camps, NWO, Jewish/Vatican/Illuminati conspiracies, global cabals, implants, chem trails.  Real issues could not be heard. Repeatedly I was told something like, "I like what Ron Paul says but I heard he thinks the Vatican is using Fort Knox gold to bring about the NWO....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:44 | 3063514 centerline
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I thought the same thing about homeschooling and share your sentiments regarding a sick feeling.  Of all things, shooting kids?  Come on.  WTF?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:05 | 3063631 goldfish1
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The institution of public school generates this kind of anger and oppression. Horrible things happen to children's psyches in public school and by extension in this society. Couple this with mind destroying psychotropic prescription drugs and you have this kind of horrific situation.


It ain’t the guns. And ya ain’t getting mine.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:24 | 3063730 PianoRacer
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It's a twelve-year prison sentence that teaches kids to sit and obey authority. Parents who abandon their children to these mind-mincing propaganda gulags are guilty of negligence, period.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:27 | 3063750 HoofHearted
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I'm still wondering what set this guy off....was the teacher having sex with his kid? Was there a bad divorce going on? Did his kid get bullied like he did when he was a kid, so now he is going to show everyone? 

We've homeschooled since day 1. Our kids only saw the inside of public schools when we lived in France briefly and that was more for the language immersion and less for anything else. There are good local homeschool co-ops where your kids can be social, learn some stuff, and you can meet great, likeminded parents to form a real community. We have our kids tested every year by a local expert. They beat the living shit out of the kids going to government schools. I'm of two minds about that. My kid has decent intelligence and we've just dumbed down the grade level expectations a great deal. OR the teachers are making kids a whole lot stupider. Probably both...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:28 | 3065143 centerline
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+1.  Unfortunately my wife is sheeple.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:59 | 3065651 1C3-N1N3
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Never stick your dick in sheeple.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:02 | 3063214 Chaos_Theory
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Just give these bastards to lawful gun owners for target practice. 

Kindergarteners....5-year olds for Christ's sake!  Maybe what we really need is a pathetic loser ban.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:03 | 3063223 HelluvaEngineer
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Army Psy-Ops burn-outs jacked up on SRIs?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:02 | 3063609 GMadScientist
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Pissed off ex-husband denied access to the kid?


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:23 | 3063710 Jean Valjean
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Pissed off ex on ssri's. Fixed it

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:41 | 3063832 SilverRhino
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Apparently the shooter targeted his mother's classroom and killed everyone in it. 

All kindergarteners.  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:08 | 3063253 JimBowie1958
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When will people learn that 'gun free' zones are kook magnets that add to the likelihood of these kinds of killing sprees?

This kind of crime would justify returning 'Drawing and Quartering' into legal practice.

I am totally dead serious; maybe we can do it after the Zombie Apocolypse.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:16 | 3063309 icanhasbailout
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10:1 says the shooter was on some kind of prescribed mind-affecting drug. Anyone the psych industry gets a hold of turns into a realtime medical experiment and in mass shooting cases in the US almost every time there's a background of heavy psych medication.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:25 | 3063396 forexskin
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find out what prescription drugs this sick fuck was on and then ban them.

then, hold the pharm chem executive responsible for lobbying the FDA responsible with a trial and real consequences. time to turn the tables on this shit.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:44 | 3063510 HelluvaEngineer
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Right.  Class action lawsuits.  $1 Billion for each family impacted sounds about right.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:47 | 3064821 cornedmutton
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Fuck that.  $1T per family.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:49 | 3063537 Whoa Dammit
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And bring back state mental hospitals where the truly insane can be housed for life instead of inflicting them upon society.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:00 | 3063597 Cathartes Aura
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ban guns!  ban knives!!  ban pharma!!

and when everyone's done blaming the externals, see what all these stories have in common, always have in common, but never mentioned. . .

why is mass killing sometimes the action of the angry, the last resort of those who act out their rage?

maybe once this is actually acknowledged, it can be addressed. . .

but it won't be, working as intended.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:19 | 3063684 forexskin
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go ahead, answer your own question.

by implication, your answer can't be that we are being dehumanized by a vast machine (of which pharma is a big part) that clearly is afraid of individualism (and the notion of self defense), and suggests as its solution total control? seems like you are waving a banner with a confusion of ideas.

we're all ears...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:35 | 3063800 Cathartes Aura
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no, I've never made that point, about pharma & cultural de-humanising, cultural programming, never ever.

"individualism" and "self defense" - care to elaborate, just so we're all clear?

all I was stating in my post above was that IF people want to understand some of this violence, as it has been presenting itself globally over the years (the shooting of children, be it in school, day care, gatherings),

THEN perhaps looking at the common threads that weave through each incident.

does that prick your ears?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:31 | 3064176 forexskin
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you keep inferring there are common threads - identify them.

i'm making to point the banning guns and stomping on big pharma and the vast machine are actions one might consider as diametrically opposed. not sure why you're grouping them together, except for your implication of a deeper common thread. still listening.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:47 | 3064604 Cathartes Aura
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no, you're not "listening" - you're coiled to pounce.


if some people would like to think more deeply about cause/effect, then perhaps patterns will be seen for what they are.

until then, rage on.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:06 | 3064669 forexskin
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sorry is its not laid out on a silver platter. you're implying insights that apparently can't be articulated.

you don't expect to be challenged here when you offer apparently contradictory statements?

maybe you just don't have anything significant to say.

rage on? really?


Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:23 | 3065686 brettd
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Remember the bell-tower sniper at U.Texas?

That was a guy "off his meds"....

Shit's been happening for generations.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:17 | 3063314 F. Bastiat
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Most people don't yet realize that they're living through the ongoing, from the inside, destruction of Western civilization.

Once the key foundations of civilization are rejected, as Christianity has been, the result is accelerating collapse.

Now you know.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:39 | 3063486 knukles
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:54 | 3063564 The Gooch
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I'm cutting out early to go pick up my little nugget.

Thoughts and prayers to all affected.

Learn to swim.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:58 | 3063940 subqtaneous
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You are one of my longtime, favourite commenters on ZH, but I couldn't disagree with you more.

Christianity was co-opted long ago by folks who haven't a clue, nor care what the man said . . . much like Christmas itself.

The problem with our culture and society is that it's gone completely Warholian . . . on steroids.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:49 | 3064612 lakecity55
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There is, IMHO, a big difference bewteen Religion, and a simple (faith) belief in Christ, God, etc.

-Or- your own personal belief in a HP.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:42 | 3063503 Terminus C
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One does not need to be religious to have morals, nor does religious fervor guarantee morality.

However, you are correct about the destruction of civil society from the inside...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:20 | 3063704 Bastiat
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Exactly: my nephew is confused.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:47 | 3064599 lakecity55
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I have said elsewhere to these humanist progressives, individual life and freedom has no place in their corrupt, demonic system. Humans are only meat bags to be used and killed as desired by the whims of the Politburo.

I have faith-based beliefs in what I will call a Higher Power, as I was taught to see Him.

Others may disagree, yet be just as moral as faith-based people.

It sounds simple, but practicing and demonstrating Morals is how we get our country back.

These progressives, reds, whatever, are nihlists.  They must be made irrelevant.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:54 | 3064633 F. Bastiat
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Today's progressives, just like their Bolshevik socialist and national socialist forefathers, are simply the macro-level manifestation of a primitive suicidal impulse. The counter-civilization yin to civilization's yang.

Shafarevich's "Socialism in our Past and Future" and "The Socialist Phenomenon" thoroughly document the suicidal urge of the inaptly named anti-social perversion called "socialism" at the societal level.  Folks tend to forget that socialists long claimed that nuclear armageddeon was simply the "triumph of socialism".

The blueprint for civilization is still Christianity, whether people subscribe to it or not. Without Christianity, for example, there is only totalitarianism - as there has always been.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:31 | 3064969 Lednbrass
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As a point of reality, National Socialist Germany sent "progressives" as they are known in the US today to camps- leftist parties were banned and Social Democrat types got stood against the wall or went behind the wire.

Too many people in the US don't know a damn thing about Germany in those years beyond what some imbecile on TV or radio told them- read some books. You get hung up on a label and draw conclusions that have no basis in historical reality.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:43 | 3063504 Jesus Christ
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This is not a gun control issue.  It is an issue of moral rot. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:03 | 3063615 Cathartes Aura
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thanks jesus, but it goes even deeper than your faithful want to acknowledge.

and please, ZH, will morals be making appearances in threads now? 

interesting shift.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:08 | 3063638 SheepHerder
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+1  Finally the truth.  The root issue today's tragedy along with our foreign policy, corrupt political system, addiction to materialism, greedy banking system, sensationalized media violence, etc. all stems from a societal moral rot.  And while I'm far from proclaiming to be a  Christian, I do recognize the importance of having a set of virtues by which to live a happy and fulfilling life.  As true as that is for me on a micro level, I believe it is also true for our nation on a macro level.  Until this is addressed on a large scale, these shootings will become more frequent.   

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:02 | 3065243 F. Bastiat
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Prudence, discipline, and fortitude - orders of the day.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:26 | 3063719 DaveyJones
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Jesus, I've been meaning to ask, is the internet the virtual version of the holy spirit? or the other guys?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:03 | 3065560 GOSPLAN HERO
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Actually, it's prozac, and other violent inducing, psychotic, brain chemistry altering drugs that are doing the damage, and turning peoples brains into murderers. Every one of the mass shooters in the past 20 odd yrs. have been on big pharma drugs.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:49 | 3063538 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Yah, truthiness. I think the example is set at the top. When Geo Bush said to the world "FU I'm gonna do whatever I want" that was a strong message. Now Obomba says "FU we're gonna kill whomever we want" with his disgusting little drone snuff games. Or when he says "yeah these bankers broke huge laws but we're gonna let them get away with it, what are YOU gonna do about it?" What kind of society do we expect to get with these shining examples

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:28 | 3063749 Raymond Reason
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People think Christianity is a method to control the weak minded.  Au contraire, Christianity was outlawed by the Bolsheviks to weaken moral strength and character, to make the masses pliable and easier to intimidate.  That was then, and now the technique is more refined.  Infiltration and subversion is more effective than outright prohibition. 

We are under attack on multiple fronts, morality, health, prosperity, and people don't know who the enemy is, or even that there is an attack.   Masterful, yes.  But they've been doing this shit for years, and things are starting to fall apart for them also.   

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:14 | 3064040 Tator
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Yep, the Progressives war on religion has produced an imoral society. This was all predicted back in the 60s when Progressives started to attack people of faith and banning any mention of faith. It will only get worse.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:32 | 3065697 brettd
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Progressive is the pretty word for fascist.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:08 | 3064671 e-recep
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bullshit, religion is the enemy of civilization, not the foundation thereof whatsoever. don't get me started on how many lost their lives because of religion throughout the history,

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:18 | 3063315 walcott
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the same kind that gas 6 million people. The same kind that bomb plaestinian children. The same kind the murdered 100's of thousand of kids in Libya, Iraq and now Syria. The same kind that blew up the trade center. The same kind that murdered 3,000 Americans that day. The same kind that blew away a bunch of kids at a shiting batman movie.

Who the hell do you think is behind this crap? Wake up! They're coming at everybody soon enough. The whole world is one giant Warsaw ghetto. Just because you drive a mercedes or live in a million dollar house doesn't mean you're free from any of this. Watch and see how bad this gets.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:05 | 3063980 agent default
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Actually about 11 million.  Why does everyone come up with half that number?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:22 | 3063374 Sheeple Shepard
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A cowardly fuck shoots babies


We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear." Nelson Mandela.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:54 | 3063547 hedgeless_horseman
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...a life free of violence and fear." Nelson Mandela.

Like this?

The killings will no doubt inflame the already bitter struggle that has pitted tens of thousands of miners across the country against the mining companies, the ANC government and the official miners’ union, the NUM. Strikes, mass demonstrations and clashes with security forces have continued to spread since the August 16 police massacre of 34 striking Lonmin platinum miners at Marikana in South Africa’s North West Province. This constituted the bloodiest act of repression since the end of the apartheid regime 18 years ago.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:03 | 3063618 Calmyourself
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The disaster that is Mandela's dream realized in S. Africa deserves ten threads of it's own.  Religious or not pray for these children and their families.  Those who would use this tragedy to remove or manage the only deterrent to tyranny and further their statist goals, don't try that would be a mistake.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:36 | 3064556 El Oregonian
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Funny, hardly a mention of the 1.21 Million abortions performed yearly in the USA. That is 3,322 a day. Yes, the slaughtering of the innocents is incredibly immoral...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:24 | 3063387 Randall Cabot
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The jew supremacists, working through The Frankfurt School, have done quite a job of destroying the culture of the once great America:

To further the advance of their ‘quiet’ cultural revolution

– but giving us no ideas about their plans

for the future – the School recommended (among

other things):

1. The creation of racism offences.

2. Continual change to create confusion

3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children

4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’


5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.

6. The promotion of excessive drinking

7. Emptying of churches

8. An unreliable legal system with bias against

victims of crime

9. Dependency on the state or state benefits

10. Control and dumbing down of media

11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family   

More on The Frankfurt School:  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:46 | 3063429 Ruffcut
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Don't just blame the joo, everyone has a hand in all the bullshit. Everyone....

We all need to take responsibility for ALL of the children.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:16 | 3063667 Randall Cabot
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There's at least 9 morons here who believe everyone has a hand in this???

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:41 | 3063829 Raymond Reason
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Americans et al, have been grafted into the yid vine. 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 04:13 | 3065855 smart girl
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I said "Up" because I think it is silly to blame the Jews. By participating in this reality we are thereby a part of it.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 11:53 | 3066250 Randall Cabot
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Are you denying that the Frankfurt School were jews? And that the controllers of the mass media, including TV and Hollywood, have put the Frankfurt School's recommendations into practice? And that other institutions promoting the Frankfurt School's recommendations like the advertising industry and the NEA are also controlled by jews And that leading jew supremacist politicians like Jacob Javitz and Emmanuel Cellar working with jewish organizations like the AJC and the ADL have been responsible for mass third world immigration, both legal and illegal?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:29 | 3063433 q99x2
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Bankster mercinaries in Arab nations.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:35 | 3063465 WarriorClass
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There's always a mysterious second suspect that is never reported on again after the initial reports of shooting like this.  All these shootings have the earmarks of an MKUltra operation.  The second suspect, never found, is the handler.  I suspect the government will keep up these false flag operations until they convince a majority of people to give up their guns, or vote for gun bans.  Making it illegal to have a gun in a school zone didn't work and banning guns will not work, except to give an upper hand to those that do have guns, criminals and government thugs.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:05 | 3063628 lakecity55
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Also, have you notices the MO? They almost always have a LB Vest, wear camouflage, have a dark bag from which they draw their weapons.

Also, witnesses and some officers report multiple shooters, but later they are always denied.

No, I do not really know if it's MKUltra, but, hey, it could be. It's obvious there is a commonality in these shooters.

They are serving a purpose for some group.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:20 | 3063701 goldfish1
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They are serving a purpose for some group.

The group that thinks it's ok to off 27 people including children to further their agenda.

Too many people know the game and can share this info thanks to forums like this.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:59 | 3064366 WarriorClass
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CBS reports, "Authorities initially believed that there were two gunmen and were searching cars around the school."  There's always a controller around.  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:39 | 3064570 lakecity55
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What's really bad is you abso-lutely cannot trust the "media" OR the "government."

There are also parallels to this in the Norway shooting.

We should study the facts which fall between the cracks and the items the media tries to brush aside.

The Truth is out there.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:40 | 3064572 The Joker
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Well, to be fair, you need an LB vest when you plan on killing yourself afterwords.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:23 | 3065599 MrButtoMcFarty
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Halo....or any other 1st person shooter....

Life/Death is just a video game.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:56 | 3063581 DCFusor
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What kind of fuck shoots babies?


The kind who can be sure no legally armed citizen will stop him.  The incidents where that happens, and few to no innocents are harmed, don't get reported.  It doesn't sell ads in the news.



Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:59 | 3063593 firstdivision
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Future NRA statement: Maybe if those elementary kids had been given guns and taught trigger discipline, this wouldn't have heppened.

Future Liberal statment: This is why we need to ban guns

Reality: Ignoring the causality.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:08 | 3063637 subqtaneous
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This one is a watershed moment, folks.

The sh*t is gonna fly now.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:22 | 3064486 El Oregonian
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Boy, I'm very sad today... Sad for the children... Sad for their parents, grandparents, family members... ... I am also for the children killed in drone attacks... servicemen sacrificed in Bengahzi... I also shed a tear, for them... for the shooter's parents, their siblings... I also shed a tear for the killers in our government... Their apparent immunity from prosecution... The overall corruption where the innocent get slaughtered for no reason, or even worse, to push an a agenda so heinous it is difficult to imagine...I shed a tear, a TRUE tear for the Country as a whole... For our corrupted government, For our corrupted corporations, For our corrupted citizens.

I am just sad today for the sorry state we have all been placed in. May God, forgive us all...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:40 | 3064575 Cole Younger
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"What kind of fuck shoots babies?" 

I get your point and I agree what kind of monster would do this.

I also ask, what kind of government invades countries and commits collateral murder?

I also ask, what kind of government allows 25,000 alcohol (drunk driving) deaths a year? 


I ask allot of questions...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:54 | 3064600 El Oregonian
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"What kind of f*ck shoots babies?

What the f*ck is f*cking wrong with people?!?!?!?"

EXACLY! What kind of people MURDER 1.21 Million babies in the USA annually? That works out to 3,322 a day getting aborted right here in  America... And yet, we look the other way...


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:20 | 3065118 Freedom Pilot
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Damn straight.

We curse the lack of personal responsibility but we are happy to divorce our spouse who nags us or abort the child we didn't want.  And then we wonder why there is no personal responsibility.  I even saw a commenter right here on ZH blame the lack of personal responsibility on the rich!  He posted it oblivious to the dripping irony of it all.  Pathetic.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:08 | 3064680 Ag1761
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My heart ges out to all those poor kids and their families and friends. I had someone close who lost a relative when Dunblane massacre happened here in Scotland, tragic. I just don't have the words, tonight I shall weep. What a fucking world we live in.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:52 | 3064839 SILVERGEDDON


Let that sink in just a bit. Responsible gun owners don't do this shit - but if they were present and carrying, most likely the victim would be the nut bar, and, hopefully, no one else.

Even a nut would think twice about pulling shit like this off if he thought almost everyone around him was packing heat. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:09 | 3065269 F. Bastiat
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Psychosis, depression, etc. Possibly drug induced by legal or illegal drugs.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:41 | 3065509 hivekiller
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What the fuck is wrong with you that you can't think or are you just a shill? Lots of talk among the pols about gun control and then one incident after another of mass murder. How slow are you people? You think they don't have shooters come in and do the job while they plant it on some drugged out freak? Again, just how slow are you people?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:02 | 3065555 GOSPLAN HERO
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Actually, it's prozac, and other violent inducing, psychotic, brain chemistry altering drugs that are doing the damage, and turning peoples brains into murderers. Every one of the mass shooters in the past 20 odd yrs. have been on big pharma drugs.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:51 | 3065637 MassDecep
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Matthew 8:16 - When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with [his] word, and healed all that were sick:
Matthew 8:28 - And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Matthew 8:33  - And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.
Mark 5:15 - And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:41 | 3065794 tekmike13
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People; plural? You are looking at the so-called Black Swan with this guy. Rather a Black Swan with orange polka-dots. Far, far left of the Gaussian curve. One in a trillion shot.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 07:31 | 3065963 samcontrol
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i agree but why do 9 out of 10 of these mass shootings occur in The USA?
So the question is, what is wrong with this country ?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 08:26 | 3066019 Widowmaker
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What kind of government shoots babies, too?  


Canceal to carry. You will save your own life and perhaps countless others.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:26 | 3063402 rotagen
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It's all worth it, apparently if the 1 percent can get our guns.  After 911, I don't believe any of this crap is NOT staged.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:27 | 3063404 Ruffcut
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As PURE as EVIL gets.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 23:53 | 3065640 MassDecep
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Psalm 12:8  - The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:12 | 3063660 Stoploss
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I want to know why these peoples families are not being incarcerated immediately after these events. ALL OF THEM.


I know why, because this is engineered, that's why.


You cant get rid of guns if there is no killing now can we???



Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:55 | 3063921 Zap Powerz
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You think this is bad?  You think some asshole killing kids is bad?

This is nothing compared to what's coming.  Nothing at all.

This was an isolated incident in Conn.

Just wait until this is happening everywhere, all the time.  Civilization still goes on after this shooting.  Wait until there is no civilization to go on.  Wait until there is no police to respond.

Just wait, because we haven't seen anything yet.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:41 | 3064256 NewAmericaNow
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The governmnet has done Americans a great disservice by interfering with our right to defend ourselves with the illusion that the police will protect you. They can only count the bodies after the fact. Schools are now lawful gun free zones were the criminals are the only ones having them. This could have all been ended quickly by just one legally armed teacher. Those who are willing to give up their rights for the illusion of safety will have neither.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:10 | 3065275 F. Bastiat
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You got it. Central government, in particular, has become the biggest problem facing America.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 08:27 | 3066020 Widowmaker
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100% right.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:37 | 3064782 Pairadimes
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I grew up in Newtown. Graduated from the high school there (affectionately named the Sandy Hook Institute of Technology by us students) then moved away to go to college and graduate school, and returned only occasionally to see friends and family. I am in a state of shock right now. I would ask you all to keep these people in your prayers, and for the charitably minded, watch the Newtown Bee website ( for ways to help in the coming days.


Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:46 | 3066699 X.inf.capt
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:56 | 3063170 Darkness
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I hate to read articles like this, but am terrified this will only become more frequent in the new normal. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:05 | 3063208 Lin S
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It will be SOP until private firearms and ammunition ownership are outlawed.

These incidents are not random.  Someone has a plan.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:09 | 3063260 JimBowie1958
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Fuck you bitch; just try and take my guns, whore.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:17 | 3063324 TheAntiBen
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Funny, I've never seen a mass shooting at a gun show?  Why is it the shooting is always at a place were guns are outlawed instead of where they are plentiful?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:40 | 3063492 mayhem_korner
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And how did anyone EVER die before there were guns? 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:56 | 3063557 Ruffcut
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guns bad

me need more guns

love me guns

I see them as weapons of defense and nothing else.

Me defend me guns, because they may defend me, someday.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:46 | 3065388 crusty curmudgeon
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I'm the product of a public education, but I seem to recall learning that there were actually WARS--where people killed each other on a grand scale--long before there were guns.  I know it sounds crazy.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:50 | 3063544 drivenZ
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this is not true as much as gun proponents like to say it is. How about the Gabriel giffords shooting? AZ has some pretty lax gun laws.   

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:55 | 3063579 Calculated_Risk
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Ya but the shooting was in tuscon, more specifically a liberal section of town that hates guns.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:01 | 3063600 lakecity55
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I beleive it was the Federal Judge, a Constructionist, who was the actual target at Tucson.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:13 | 3063665 Calculated_Risk
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Going to support a democrat "representative". That is why there is a one party system. Watch what they do, not what they say.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:02 | 3063970 XitSam
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So you would expect to see more shooting incidents in AZ, yet there aren't.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:08 | 3063642 sullymandias
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Maybe because if you started shooting at a gun show you would be gunned down yourself in about 3 seconds?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:46 | 3063846 Cathartes Aura
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I'll hazard a guess,

maybe "gun shows" are full of like-minded folks, and the mass shooting happens when anger makes "others" out of humans, not similars.  y'know, like wars. . .

unless you're saying that the only thing that keeps gun owners from shooting up the place is mass gun ownership? 

that's rather sad, if you think about it.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:52 | 3063894 mayhem_korner
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Washington D.C. had the highest rate of violent, gun-involved crimes in the country for decades until...wait for it...just a little longer...they lifted the gun ban.  And then the violent crime rate dropped to levels consistent with other urban areas that don't restrict guns.

What is thy response, thou that cannot process logic?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:24 | 3064732 Cathartes Aura
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then give everyone a gun, every single human - get the kids little candy-coloured guns, and get 'em out there on the gun ranges, scaled down for size, of course.

but whatever you do, don't look at the why of shootings - just arm everyone, and let 'em work on each other.

what doet thou think of this solution, logically?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:32 | 3064971 Encroaching Darkness
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NO ONE, not the NRA, not even the Special Forces kill-em-all-and-let-God-sort-them-out types, advocates unlimited gun possession. How much straw does it take to build a strawman?

The mentally ill, the previously convicted, and the young (incompetent by age) are denied guns if ascertained unstable. Kids are frequently considered too unstable (YOU TOOK MY GIRLFRIEND, DAMMIT, NOW I'M GOING TO KILL YOU BOTH!) to have guns. Although when I was a kid, more kids went hunting and learned gun safety, and there were FEWER instances like this.

Creating schools as gun-free zones created this opportunity - this sick fuck just took advantage of a hole in security to kill babies.

Are you going to weep and moan, empower the Feds to kill us all without hindrance, or figure out some way to plug the hole in security?

What do you think of arming teachers WHO WANT TO BE, AND ARE TRAINED PROPERLY, to defend our children? Why is it that FOR THE CHILDREN doesn't apply to protecting them from lunatics?

Looking forward to YOUR solution.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:46 | 3065389 Cathartes Aura
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Are you going to weep and moan, empower the Feds to kill us all without hindrance, or figure out some way to plug the hole in security?

if I ever do, feel free to come at me with all yer guns loaded. . .

my solution?

stop giving your beloved children to the state to train/educate in their most tender years.  take fucking responsibility for what you've brought into the world, and give up some precious "me" time to be spent learning who your kids ARE, and who they desire to BECOME - see if you can offer up some gentle guidance and support.

don't let the state you despise have your kids.  because if you do, then you've zero room to complain at how they "turn out"


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:17 | 3063330 markovchainey
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Sorry, I gave you a down arrow and then realized (I think) that you're not advocating outlawing guns and ammo, but rather stating that this shit will continue until the bastards have been able to outlaw guns and ammo.  TPTB have a plan...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:48 | 3063533 Lin S
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You read me right.  I am 100% in favor of We The People owning whatever they wish, same as military or police, without restriction, if they so choose.  I am pro-2nd all the way.

What I was trying to say - and think may have been misunderstood - is that someone, somewhere, has a goal of total civilian disarmament, and they will keep working toward that goal until they succeed.  I would love to be wrong, but fear that I am not.

Thanks for your encouragement, I appreciate it.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:30 | 3064523 cougar_w
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I keep trying to read your comment differently ... but are you saying that "someone" is arming lunatics and deliberately sending them to kill children so that they can come back later and ourlaw gun ownership?

Just wondering.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:25 | 3064739 Cathartes Aura
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that has to be the reasoning.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:40 | 3064998 cougar_w
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Ah I see then.

What madness grips us.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:48 | 3065204 Encroaching Darkness
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Huh? What level of proof would you accept?

You are aware of the MKULTRA material? The guy that jumped out of a skyscraper in NJ because of the drugs he was given? Psychiatric and police films of dope addicts lifting couches with BROKEN ARMS and continuing to attack with several bullets in them?

If your goal was total control over a nation and you had no scruples about killing anyone standing in your way, how would you go about it? Maybe by planting a few doped folks to run rampant and kill people, even children, to justify disarming the people?

Our government has ALREADY ADMITTED running guns to drug dealers in Mexico; said guns already killed two of our own  (R.I.P. Agents BrianTerry and Jaime Zapata, plus all the innocent Mexicans also killed with Fast & Furious guns). Is it madness when we wonder if more has been done?

Never mind, ignorance is bliss; who would want to live in such a country, where the government would sell guns to drug dealers, lie about it, and have the media sweep it under the rug for them?

We're not nearly paranoid ENOUGH.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:13 | 3065285 A Lunatic
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Can we please use the term psychopath rather than lunatic??

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:25 | 3063388 blunderdog
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    These incidents are not random.  Someone has a plan.

Nah, you're a paranoid freak.  This is not an evil conspiracy: this is the result of a hateful society going through economic trauma.

It WILL be getting a lot worse, for sure.  But not because someone is doing it on-purpose, but because people filled with anger (at whoever) and hopelessness (because of impossible living conditions) tend to SNAP very violently.

Watch what happens after the fiscal cliff, when everyone in the country has just even a little bit LESS money to try to survive on...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:28 | 3063418 forexskin
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lets swap positions for the burden of proof. there have been just too many coincidences - let the gov assert that people have a right to defend themselves against shit like this and i might agree with you.

jus sayin.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:37 | 3063482 youngman
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For some reason we decided as a society that Grand Theft Auto is better then Ozzie and Harriet

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:49 | 3063530 Captain Kink
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someone in the administrtion will, within the week, suggest that perhaps, just maybe, we ought to "have a national conversation" about gun rights in America.

Get your arms NOW.  Guns will be outlawed.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:32 | 3064536 cougar_w
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Yes do it now before the government comes along with a plan to keep anyone else from going out in a blaze of glory.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:45 | 3064590 The Joker
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Good timing.  Obama just said exactly that in his press conference.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 04:08 | 3065846 smart girl
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Sat, 12/15/2012 - 04:02 | 3065848 smart girl
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Keep your head. Lobby congress. It will probably amount to an ID and dossier on who owns guns. Our government, sadly, has been divorced from the people and the truth for quite some time.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:32 | 3063453 JimBowie1958
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I agree, it is not a conspiracy.

It is the net product of the insanity that touchy-feely libtards thinking produces, where people are not responsible, the environment is responsible for bad things that happen.

These kinds of massacres will continue as long as the libtards are in charge of things.

One day they finally wont be (from either party) and reason and sanity just might return and some semblance of safety along with it.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 04:06 | 3065851 smart girl
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It's not a Democrat or Republican thing anymore. It's a corruption of our Constitution "Thing". It's criminal acts that were committed by our own government while we were not paying attention "Thing". The more we unite the better off we will be. Peace Love Harmony Joy, Guiding Light, Prayers.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:44 | 3063498 vato poco
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Well, let's think for just a second about that "ain't no conspiracy" notion. IIRC - and I'm pretty sure I do - it was a 'kindergarten/elementary school' mass shooting by 'a crazed loner' that was the impetus for the outlawing of firearms in England/Scotland. Australia also "decided" to outlaw firearms after a similar incident: the Port Arthur incident of 1996. (Where the "mentally deranged" assailant demonstrated suspiciously excellent shooting-from-the-hip marksmanship....)

How's the saying go? Once is an anomaly; twice is a trend; *Three times*......

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