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Newtown, CT Elementary School Shooting Tally Rises To 27 Dead, Of Whom 20 Children - Live Video

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Update 4: the NYT has released a brief biopic on Lanza's, who it turns out had Asperger's Syndrome:

He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.

 

Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.

 

He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.

 

Until Friday.

 

The authorities said Mr. Lanza, 20, wearing combat gear, carried out one of the deadliest mass shootings in the nation’s history. He killed 20 children and six adults at the elementary school where his mother worked, they said. He then apparently turned his gun on himself. The police said he also earlier killed his mother.

 

In his brief adulthood, Mr. Lanza had left few footprints, electronic or otherwise. He apparently had no Facebook page, unlike his older brother, Ryan, a Hoboken, N.J., resident who for several hours on Friday was misidentified in news reports as the perpetrator of the massacre.

 

Adam Lanza did not even appear in his high school yearbook, that of the class of 2010. His spot on the page said, “Camera shy.” Others who graduated that year said they did not believe he had finished school.

 

Matt Baier, now a junior at the University of Connecticut, and other high school classmates recalled how deeply uncomfortable Mr. Lanza was in social situations.

 

Several said in separate interviews that it was their understanding that he had a developmental disorder. They said they had been told that the disorder was Asperger syndrome, which is considered to be a high functioning form of autism.

 

“It’s not like people picked on him for it,” Mr. Baier said. “From what I saw, people just let him be and that was that.”

 

One former classmate who said he was familiar with the disorder described Mr. Lanza as having “very flat affect,” adding, “If you looked at him, you couldn’t see any emotions going through his head.”

 

Others said Mr. Lanza’s evident discomfort prompted giggles from those who did not understand him.

 

Law enforcement officials said Friday that they were closely examining whether Mr. Lanza had such a disorder.

More here. Indeed, there is a statistical predisposition, at least anecdotally, for those with Asperger's toward both murder and violence.  In other words, watch as the debate rages over the traditional bogeyman of gun control, in a country with over three hundred million weapons, when we may well simply be talking about a mentally ill young adult.

As for the misidentified Ryan, who for a few brief hours was presented by law enforcement as the suspected shoorter, we learn from the WSJ:

Israel raids Palestinian NGO officesKatie Colaneri, a 24-year-old resident of Hoboken, N.J., described herself as a friend of Ryan, the suspect’s brother who for hours Friday was incorrectly identified as the alleged gunman. “He [is] a little shy, but very nice and sweet,” said Ms. Colaneri, who has known Ryan for over a year.

 

She said Ryan is a gentle guy who was  devoted to his job at the Ernst & Young accounting firm. A representative for Ernst & Young would not comment on his employment status.

 

A law-enforcement official briefed on the investigation told the Associated Press that Ryan has been “extremely co-operative” and is not under arrest, although he was still being question late Friday.

 

The official said Ryan’s computers and phone records were being searched but only “in an abundance of caution.” Ryan told authorities he had not been in touch with his brother Adam in recent years, and the official said he isn’t believed to have any connection to the school killings.

 

In Hoboken, Ryan lives in a newer building that was hard-hit by superstorm Sandy, Ms. Colaneri said. He lost power for a number of days following the storm.

 

The last time she saw him, about a month ago, Ms. Colaneri recalled that Ryan ran up to her and gave her a hug.  ”I’m really shocked,” she said. “As the details unfolded, I was totally devastated.”

Update 3: ABC has released a picture of the real shooter, Adam Lanza, taken in 2005 when he was ~13 years old.

Update 2 : NY Post now refuting CNN's initial report, and stating that the shooter's real name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza, who is instead brother of the latter. At this point there appears to be a ridiculous amount of confusion who did what, so it perhaps would be prudent on behalf of the authorities to double check this information before releasing it to the media. And just out from AP:

The AP confirms this further here:

The suspect in the Connecticut school shootings is Adam Lanza, 20, the son of a teacher at the school where the shootings occurred, a law enforcement official said Friday. A second law enforcement official says the boy's mother, Nancy Lanza, is presumed dead.

 

Adam Lanza's older brother, Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., is being questioned by police, said the first official. Earlier, a law enforcement official mistakenly transposed the brothers' first names.

 

Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.

 

The first official said Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

 

According to the second official, the suspect drove to the scene of the shootings in his mother's car. Three guns were found at the scene — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols — and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. The two pistols were recovered from inside the school.

 

The official also said Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.

 

Meanwhile, former Jersey Journal staff writer Brett Wilshe said he has spoken with Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, who told Wilshe the shooter may have had Ryan Lanza's identification.

 

Ryan Lanza has a Facebook page that posted updates Friday afternoon that read that "it wasn't me" and "I was at work."

Update: According to CNN the shooter's name is Ryan Lanza, out of New Jersey. Based on a White Pages reverse lookup there is an 18-24 year old Ryan Lanza living in Hoboken, NJ whose FaceBook profile lists Newtown, CT as his home city. Whether it is the same person remains to be confirmed officially.

 

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Sadly, increasingly it appears that not a day, and certainly not a week can pass, in the US without news of some mass killing somewhere. Several days ago its was a mall in Oregon, and today it is a shooting rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Here is what is known: the shooter, who CBS reports is a 20 year old from New Jersey, is reported to be dead. A second shooting suspect, a 24 year old man with a bulletproof vest and 4 guns has been apprehended in custody (this has subsequently been not confirmed). According to CBS 27 people are dead, of whom 18, Connecticut Post 27 people are dead, of whom 20 tragically, children. Among the dead are the principal and the school psychologist. The AP has already dubbed it "the worst school tragedy in American history."

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Live streaming updates on everything Newtown related can be found on the Reuters website here.

More from Reuters:

 At least 27 people, including 18 children, were killed on Friday when at least one shooter opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, CBS News reported, citing unnamed officials.

 

If confirmed, it would be one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The holiday season tragedy follows a series of shooting rampages in the United States this year that have killed multiple victims, and it was certain to revive a debate about U.S. gun laws.

 

The principal and school psychologist were among the dead, CNN said. Witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots with some saying as many as 100 were fired.

 

The suspected shooter, 24, was armed with four weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, WABC reported.

 

There were unconfirmed reports of a second shooter.

 

Another person was being held in police custody after he was detained in the woods near the school wearing camouflage pants, CBS reported.

 

Sandy Hook Elementary School teaches children from kindergarten through fourth grade - roughly ages 5 to 10.

 

"It was horrendous," said parent Brenda Lebinski, who rushed to the school where her daughter is in the third grade. "Everyone was in hysterics - parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don't know if they were shot, but they were bloodied."

 

Television images showed police and ambulances at the scene, and parents rushing toward the school. Parents were seen reuniting with their children and taking them home.

 

"This is going to be bad," a state official told Reuters, requesting anonymity because the scope of the tragedy remained uncertain.

 

President Barack Obama was notified and would receive regular updates throughout the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

 

"We're still waiting for more information about the incident in Connecticut," Carney said when asked about the president's reaction to it.

 

Carney called the event "tragic" and said there would be time later for a discussion of policy implications.

 

Obama remains committed to trying to renew a ban on assault weapons, Carney said.

 

All Newtown schools were placed in lockdown after the shooting, the Newtown Public School District said.

 

Lebinski said a mother who was at the school during the shooting told her a "masked man" entered the principal's office and may have shot the principal. Lebinski, who is friends with the mother who was at the school, said the principal was "severely injured."

 

Lebinski's daughter's teacher "immediately locked the door to the classroom and put all the kids in the corner of the room."

 

Danbury Hospital, about 11 miles (18 km) west of the school, had received three patients from the scene, a hospital spokeswoman told NBC Connecticut. The mayor of Danbury, Mark Boughton, told MSNBC: "They are very serious injuries."

An early report from CBS:

A shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday left several children and the gunman dead, law enforcement sources tell CBS News. At least one teacher was wounded in the shooting that sent frightened pupils into the parking lot.

 

It is unclear if there was more than one gunman at the school.

 

Law enforcement sources told CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that preliminary and unconfirmed information indicates that the shooter was the father of a student.

 

The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way.

 

It wasn't clear how many people were injured at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. CBS Hartford affiliate WFSB-TV reports around 600 students attend the school.

 

Connecticut State Police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance described the situation to CBS New York station WCBS-AM as a "very serious school shooting."

 

A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher had been shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.

 

Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.

 

"It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said.

 

Lisa Bailey, a Newtown resident with three children in Newtown schools, told CBSNewYork.com, "Newtown is a quiet town. I'd never expect this to happen here. It's so scary. Your kids are not safe anywhere."

 

The superintendent's office said the district had locked down schools in Newtown, about 60 miles northeast of New York City. Schools in neighboring towns also were locked down as a precaution.

 

State police said Newtown police called them around 9:40 a.m.

 

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Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:56 | 3066179 Colonial Intent
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You didnt build that, God did.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 02:12 | 3068153 Charles Bishop ...
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Save it. your little rant went pear-shaped as soon as you equated "spoiling children" with liberal thought. Cons are MUCH more likely to spoil their little darlings. look what bush's daddy gave HIM for his birthday. And look how he TREATED it. Left it out in the rain for ten years.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:39 | 3066074 MFLTucson
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Someone tell Bloomberg to get the fuck off the news and mind his own business.  This is  not another chance for that loud mouth know it all to go hollywood, this is a tragedy.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:17 | 3066121 GMadScientist
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Just as soon as Giuliani stops mentioning 9/11

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:48 | 3066078 RaymondKHessel
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The Bath school disaster in michigan:

Forty-five people — including 38 children — were killed May 27, 1927, when the school district's treasurer, Andrew Kehoe, detonated a series of bombs at his home and the school. Fifty-eight others were injured.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 02:09 | 3068148 Charles Bishop ...
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What's your point? he was just lazy, or a rotten shot.

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:51 | 3066088 jplotinus
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I have no idea whether Americans are less capable of self appraisal than are citizens of other countries. For instance, are the French capable of recognizing that they are "cheese-eating surrender monkeys"? Do the British grasp that their food is godawful and that monarchy is an anachronism?

I don't know.

Similarly, Americans equate guns with freedom and with safety, as though barbarianism, savagery and lack of a civil society are laudable conditions, rather than indicators of a lack of development. The normal defense to what has just been said is "leave if you don't like it."

Tylers, I know "this time it's [not] different". America is committed to its blind spot on lethal weapon ownership and the fact that 20 children have been killed by a single gun toting kid in my state is only going to cause the gun totters among us to adjust their blinders and flex their political muscle.

I wonder whether the French view us as "gunslinging, sickly, stupid savages" and laugh at us behind our backs?

They could.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:07 | 3066107 Ginsengbull
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Fuck the french.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:09 | 3066112 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' have deep self perception troubles.

English, french, US Americans, they are 'americans'.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:19 | 3066123 GMadScientist
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"Let me say that your viewpoint and evaluation in this matter is quite orthodox; you will find many to agree with you. But there is another and older orthodoxy imbedded in the history of this country and to which I hold. I have no intention nor any expectation of changing your mind, but I do want to make you aware that there is another viewpoint that is held by a great many respectable people, and that it is quite old. It is summed up in the statement that I am opposed to all attempts to license or restrict the arming of individuals, such as the Sullivan Act of the State of New York. I consider such laws a violation of civil liberty, subversive of democratic political institutions, and self-defeating in their purpose. You will find that the American Rifle Association has the same policy and has had [it] for many years. 


France had Sullivan-type laws. When the Nazis came, the invaders had only to consult the registration lists at the local gendarmerie in order to round up all the weapons in a district. Whether the authorities be invaders or merely local tyrants, the effect of such laws is to place the individual at the mercy of the state, unable to resist. In the story Red Planet it would be all too easy for the type of licensing you insist on to make the revolution of the colonists not simply unsuccessful, but impossible. 

As to such laws being self-defeating, the avowed purpose of such laws as the Sullivan Act is to keep weapons out of the hands of potential criminals. You are surely aware that the Sullivan Act and similar acts have never accomplished anything of the sort? That gangsterism ruled New York while this act was already in force? That "Murder, Inc." flourished under this act? Criminals are never materially handicapped by such rules; the only effect is to disarm the peaceful citizen and put him fully at the mercy of the lawless. Such rules look very pretty on paper; in practice they are as foolish and footless as the attempt of the mice to bell the cat. 

Such is my thesis, that the licensing of weapons is subversive of liberty and self-defeating in its pious purpose. I could elaborate the arguments suggested above at great length, but my intention is not to convince, but merely to show that there is another viewpoint. I am aware, too, that even if I did by some chance convince you, there remains the unanswerable argument that you have to sell to librarians and schoolteachers who believe the contrary. 

I am not inexperienced with guns. I have coached rifle and pistol teams and conducted the firing of millions of rounds from pistols to turret guns." - RAH

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:53 | 3066091 toomanyfakecons...
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I'm prepared to buy into the false flag thing on this one. One tell tale sign already exists.... in false flags they always have the perpetrator(s) identified, tried, and convicted before the bodies are even cold.

 

On a somewhat unrelated subject, does anyone remember the DC sniper madness? For months we had to listen to professional criminal "profilers" tell us the shooter was assuredly a white, middle-aged militaman? When it turned out the shooters were black muslim terrorists, the story was dropped like a hot potato and instantaneoulsly swept under the rug.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:09 | 3066110 Ginsengbull
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I heard that they were only in it for the money.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:26 | 3066133 GMadScientist
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"I see Jesus in my grilled cheese!"

I'm pretty sure you can find a conspiracy whether or not one exists. As someone with a nephew with Aspberger's, I can assure you this likely had more to do with the shooter not adapting well to his parent's divorce (Aspies like routine and familiarity and a marriage headed south fast that ended badly would provide the exact opposite).

It's a real shame his mother didn't take better care of her weapons and allowed this to happen.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:48 | 3066167 Ginsengbull
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It's a shame she didn't take better care of her son, so that he wouldn't have done this.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 11:12 | 3066191 GMadScientist
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You know nothing about Aspberger's or what that woman probably lived through raising that kid.

Go fuck yourself in that self-righteous little hole where you store your excuse for a brain.

This is the fundamental flaw in the conservative political thesis: "Nothing happens that is beyond the control of the individual."

That statement is not true, but the entire edifice of your framing of the world depends on it being so.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:22 | 3066823 blunderdog
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"Nothing happens that is beyond the control of the individual."

That statement is not true, but the entire edifice of your framing of the world depends on it being so.

Well put--a nice capture of a common theme here.  There's something a bit odd to see the belief "everyone gets what they deserve" so prevalent among those who claim to be devoutly religious, too.  The whole point of the myth of HEAVEN is that you won't necessarily get your reward here on Earth--you MAY have to wait until after death.

I guess they only *really* believe up to some certain cut-off point.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:55 | 3066094 Sizzurp
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This 20 yo shooter was about the right age for a first psychotic break, likely he was a paranoid schizophrenic.  They are the most dangerous of all the mentally ill.  I wonder if he was showing symptoms prior to this event, I have to believe he was.  

I personally don't see how gun control would stop this unless you went door to door collecting them.  Other countries like Switzerland and Isreal have lots of guns around, but this sort of thing isn't happening.  I suspect it has more to do with our culture of violence.  Movies, television, and our war culture, all likely contribute.  Too bad the school wasn't more secure.  I mean locking the doors, loud intruder alarms, and maybe an armed teacher might have changed the outcome.  Thoughts and prayers to the families for what is the most terrible tragedy I could imagine.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:23 | 3066127 Ginsengbull
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Every principal and vice principal should carry a firearm, regardless of their political affiliation, because they are tasked with protecting every student in their buildings.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:31 | 3066134 spooz
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These kids will continue to slip through the cracks as long as Big Pharma remains the answer to mental health care.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:36 | 3066152 Ginsengbull
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School has become state sponsored child care.

 

Mass medication just makes the teachers jobs easier.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:28 | 3066137 GMadScientist
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Reading: it's fundamental!

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 09:58 | 3066100 fijisailor
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Tyler.  I am here briefly to tell you that I do not read ZH for this type of coverage.  I'm very dissapointed to see any coverage of this here. 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:07 | 3066105 AnAnonymous
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Some more than 1450 comments. Nothing like a good shooting to generate traffick in this 'american' world.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:51 | 3066371 Intoxicologist
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Yeah, and a couple hundred of those comments were yours, dipshit.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:15 | 3066120 liszt
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Sad story, i suspect the killer didn't enjoy the perspective of living the rest of his live on food stamps.

 

Zero Hedge, and Zero brain. Perfect little fanatic world of fascism, or a like(van Mises)

 

Maybe Ron Hubbard is better.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:27 | 3066135 GMadScientist
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Maybe you don't know dick and should trade places with one of the victims.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:24 | 3066129 Sands8oo
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It is IMMEDIATELY time for AMERICA to enact the strict gun control laws that our southern neighbor, Mexico has been practicing to prevent rampant violence once and for all in this country.

We should strive to achieve, as a society, the same level of security and safety Mexico presently enjoys with an outright gun ban.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:34 | 3066138 spooz
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Maybe we should be looking at the state of mental health care in the US instead of guns.  I don't know what this kid's background is, but for years Big Pharma has been pushing drugs with unknown side effects on children instead of more expensive psychotherapy to help children develop coping strategies.  Put on a patch and send them home, .  A very profitable business model in our "free markets".

"But pediatric psychopharmacology is a billion-dollar business that sustains Pharma, Pharma investors on Wall Street, doctors, researchers, medical centers, clinical research organizations, medical journals, Pharma’s PR and ghostwriting firms, pharmacy benefits managers, and the FDA itself—which judges its value on how many drugs it approves. The only losers are kids given a probable life sentence of expensive and dangerous drugs, the families of these children, and the taxpayers and insured persons who pay for the drugs."

Profit driven medical care produces many more losers than winners.

http://www.alternet.org/story/155459/how_big_pharma_and_the_psychiatric_...

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:49 | 3066370 Psquared
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This is a good point, but there is no money and no will to study this issue. Big pharma typically hides or disguises the results of drug trials and the FDA does not do a good job of policing the drug makers. In addition, the current model for treating the mentally ill (which is NOT the same thing as Aspergers; ie, just because you have Aspgergers it doesn't mean you are mentally unstable or capable of violence) is to medicate them and send them into the world. The drug companies love this model.

Instead of thinking the problem through completely we are told by the media to jump to the conclusion that guns are the problem. It is part of our post-modern culture to believe that every tragedy has an easy answer and we can prevent the next one if we will just follow three easy steps ... one, two, three!! Nobody wants to hear how the problem is complex, or that life is tragic and ambiguous.

Rather than growing and learning to live and find some joy, peace and contentment even though we are in pain, we cry out, "give me the quick easy answer, I've got things to do."

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:00 | 3066390 goldenbuddha454
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what's the first thing they do with A D D kids?  Put them on riddelin.  I believe most of anti-depressants state that there is a possible psychotic reaction in 1% of users?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 22:29 | 3067761 spooz
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You don't know the half of it.  When the kid starts jonesing on the speed (Ritilan acts on the body in an identical way to Cocaine, other ADHD drugs act in a way more similar to Meth), they need an antidepressant added to the "cocktail" to calm them down. Side effects of the antidepressants can lead to mood disorders, requiring an antipsychotic; another drug added to the cocktail, and profits for Big Pharma.

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:40 | 3066154 Ginsengbull
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Would the whole situation have been less tragic if the perpetrator had used swords instead?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 11:15 | 3066199 GMadScientist
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If the body count being reduced by a factor of 10 would make it less tragic, then, YES.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 11:14 | 3066197 Ginsengbull
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Perhaps the zombie apocalypse will happen when big pharma cuts off the supply all at once.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:16 | 3066295 Zola
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Fake program about hyptnotic recreation of MKultra ? Or chilling depiction of reality ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nrwBTwz-9Fw

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:35 | 3066338 Psquared
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It is being reported that the shooter, Adam Lanza, had Asperger's Syndrome and was mentally ill. My greatest fear is that there will be a backlash against those with autistic spectrum disorders and that people will immediately conclude that all of them are mentally unstable and capable of this kind of thing.

I have an 18 year old son with Aspergers and that is NOT true. Most are gentle and keep to themselves. They are not prone to violence or personality disorders and the two illnesses are not related. Aspergers Syndrome did not cause this to happen.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:08 | 3066410 MFLTucson
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Of course it is not true, nothing the US media prints is true, it is all lies and distortions to fit a plot they will dream up to further the liberal ban on guns and have goverment tanks take over your country.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:05 | 3066399 MFLTucson
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Obamas tears mean nothing because his motivation is to ban guns for all of us sane people and his actions are to kill thousands with unmaned drones and look the other way!  This goes right to the heart of Emanuels line to never let a good crises o to waste. We are all troubled by the killing of children but how about some consitency.  Syrian children and Iranian children are also children, not just those residing in the US.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:57 | 3066555 benb
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Is it just my pc or has this thread been hacked? On many posts I am not able to vote up or down dependent on whether it accuses gov involvement in the shootings.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:38 | 3066672 pcrs
Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:09 | 3066762 jplotinus
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"We also have Americans coming home in body bags and with limbs missing so you can have the freedom to state your opinions."

They come home in the condition you describe, to be sure, but your analysis is skewed.

They do not come home in that condition because they are defending freedom as such. The Afgans, Iraqis and other poorly defended mostly Muslim countries the US has invaded, bombed the beejeezus out of recently are not attacking our freedom, or anything else.

In actuality, the wanton, remote, drone-based, high tech killing of unsuspecting people is merely another facet of what Adam Lanza, or whomever, occasionally unleashes on us here. The same is being done to others routinely; and now, license has been devised to kill Americans in the same manner. Small wonder gun control is a political non-starter.

America is a hyper-violent, gunslinging society that stands out as the exemplar of barbarism of savagery and of blood lust in this epoch of human history.

This is not a compliment.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:38 | 3066868 pcrs
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Obama breaking up over deaths of children

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

oh wait, those are other children.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 02:03 | 3068140 Charles Bishop ...
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It's a plan to shut down the suburbs-and drive everyone back into the cities for easy management.-"because crazy white kids from good backgrounds on behavior-altering sustsances prescribed by their psycho-docs legitimately: keep snapping and slaughtering random passers-by with high-capacity weapons onwned by their  well-to-do, corporate-employee parents?" did I get it? what do I win?....{You motherfuckers are on hard drugs if you think this was "random."}

Yet another test. of the "Kobayashi Maru" variety.

 

 

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