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Newtown, CT Elementary School Shooting Tally Rises To 27 Dead, Of Whom 20 Children - Live Video
Update 4: the NYT has released a brief biopic on Lanza's, who it turns out had Asperger's Syndrome:
He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.
Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.
He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.
Until Friday.
The authorities said Mr. Lanza, 20, wearing combat gear, carried out one of the deadliest mass shootings in the nation’s history. He killed 20 children and six adults at the elementary school where his mother worked, they said. He then apparently turned his gun on himself. The police said he also earlier killed his mother.
In his brief adulthood, Mr. Lanza had left few footprints, electronic or otherwise. He apparently had no Facebook page, unlike his older brother, Ryan, a Hoboken, N.J., resident who for several hours on Friday was misidentified in news reports as the perpetrator of the massacre.
Adam Lanza did not even appear in his high school yearbook, that of the class of 2010. His spot on the page said, “Camera shy.” Others who graduated that year said they did not believe he had finished school.
Matt Baier, now a junior at the University of Connecticut, and other high school classmates recalled how deeply uncomfortable Mr. Lanza was in social situations.
Several said in separate interviews that it was their understanding that he had a developmental disorder. They said they had been told that the disorder was Asperger syndrome, which is considered to be a high functioning form of autism.
“It’s not like people picked on him for it,” Mr. Baier said. “From what I saw, people just let him be and that was that.”
One former classmate who said he was familiar with the disorder described Mr. Lanza as having “very flat affect,” adding, “If you looked at him, you couldn’t see any emotions going through his head.”
Others said Mr. Lanza’s evident discomfort prompted giggles from those who did not understand him.
Law enforcement officials said Friday that they were closely examining whether Mr. Lanza had such a disorder.
More here. Indeed, there is a statistical predisposition, at least anecdotally, for those with Asperger's toward both murder and violence. In other words, watch as the debate rages over the traditional bogeyman of gun control, in a country with over three hundred million weapons, when we may well simply be talking about a mentally ill young adult.
As for the misidentified Ryan, who for a few brief hours was presented by law enforcement as the suspected shoorter, we learn from the WSJ:
Israel raids Palestinian NGO officesKatie Colaneri, a 24-year-old resident of Hoboken, N.J., described herself as a friend of Ryan, the suspect’s brother who for hours Friday was incorrectly identified as the alleged gunman. “He [is] a little shy, but very nice and sweet,” said Ms. Colaneri, who has known Ryan for over a year.
She said Ryan is a gentle guy who was devoted to his job at the Ernst & Young accounting firm. A representative for Ernst & Young would not comment on his employment status.
A law-enforcement official briefed on the investigation told the Associated Press that Ryan has been “extremely co-operative” and is not under arrest, although he was still being question late Friday.
The official said Ryan’s computers and phone records were being searched but only “in an abundance of caution.” Ryan told authorities he had not been in touch with his brother Adam in recent years, and the official said he isn’t believed to have any connection to the school killings.
In Hoboken, Ryan lives in a newer building that was hard-hit by superstorm Sandy, Ms. Colaneri said. He lost power for a number of days following the storm.
The last time she saw him, about a month ago, Ms. Colaneri recalled that Ryan ran up to her and gave her a hug. ”I’m really shocked,” she said. “As the details unfolded, I was totally devastated.”
Update 3: ABC has released a picture of the real shooter, Adam Lanza, taken in 2005 when he was ~13 years old.
Update 2 : NY Post now refuting CNN's initial report, and stating that the shooter's real name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza, who is instead brother of the latter. At this point there appears to be a ridiculous amount of confusion who did what, so it perhaps would be prudent on behalf of the authorities to double check this information before releasing it to the media. And just out from AP:
BREAKING: Law officials: School shooting suspect is 20-year-old son of teacher; older brother questioned. -SS
— The Associated Press (@AP) December 14, 2012
The AP confirms this further here:
The suspect in the Connecticut school shootings is Adam Lanza, 20, the son of a teacher at the school where the shootings occurred, a law enforcement official said Friday. A second law enforcement official says the boy's mother, Nancy Lanza, is presumed dead.
Adam Lanza's older brother, Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., is being questioned by police, said the first official. Earlier, a law enforcement official mistakenly transposed the brothers' first names.
Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.
The first official said Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
According to the second official, the suspect drove to the scene of the shootings in his mother's car. Three guns were found at the scene — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols — and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. The two pistols were recovered from inside the school.
The official also said Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.
Meanwhile, former Jersey Journal staff writer Brett Wilshe said he has spoken with Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, who told Wilshe the shooter may have had Ryan Lanza's identification.
Ryan Lanza has a Facebook page that posted updates Friday afternoon that read that "it wasn't me" and "I was at work."
Update: According to CNN the shooter's name is Ryan Lanza, out of New Jersey. Based on a White Pages reverse lookup there is an 18-24 year old Ryan Lanza living in Hoboken, NJ whose FaceBook profile lists Newtown, CT as his home city. Whether it is the same person remains to be confirmed officially.
Suspect in #Newtown school shooting identified as Ryan #Lanza, source says on.cnn.com/Zq1uF7
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) December 14, 2012
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Sadly, increasingly it appears that not a day, and certainly not a week can pass, in the US without news of some mass killing somewhere. Several days ago its was a mall in Oregon, and today it is a shooting rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Here is what is known: the shooter, who CBS reports is a 20 year old from New Jersey, is reported to be dead. A second shooting suspect, a 24 year old man with a bulletproof vest and 4 guns has been apprehended in custody (this has subsequently been not confirmed). According to CBS 27 people are dead, of whom 18, Connecticut Post 27 people are dead, of whom 20 tragically, children. Among the dead are the principal and the school psychologist. The AP has already dubbed it "the worst school tragedy in American history."
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More from Reuters:
At least 27 people, including 18 children, were killed on Friday when at least one shooter opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, CBS News reported, citing unnamed officials.
If confirmed, it would be one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The holiday season tragedy follows a series of shooting rampages in the United States this year that have killed multiple victims, and it was certain to revive a debate about U.S. gun laws.
The principal and school psychologist were among the dead, CNN said. Witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots with some saying as many as 100 were fired.
The suspected shooter, 24, was armed with four weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, WABC reported.
There were unconfirmed reports of a second shooter.
Another person was being held in police custody after he was detained in the woods near the school wearing camouflage pants, CBS reported.
Sandy Hook Elementary School teaches children from kindergarten through fourth grade - roughly ages 5 to 10.
"It was horrendous," said parent Brenda Lebinski, who rushed to the school where her daughter is in the third grade. "Everyone was in hysterics - parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don't know if they were shot, but they were bloodied."
Television images showed police and ambulances at the scene, and parents rushing toward the school. Parents were seen reuniting with their children and taking them home.
"This is going to be bad," a state official told Reuters, requesting anonymity because the scope of the tragedy remained uncertain.
President Barack Obama was notified and would receive regular updates throughout the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.
"We're still waiting for more information about the incident in Connecticut," Carney said when asked about the president's reaction to it.
Carney called the event "tragic" and said there would be time later for a discussion of policy implications.
Obama remains committed to trying to renew a ban on assault weapons, Carney said.
All Newtown schools were placed in lockdown after the shooting, the Newtown Public School District said.
Lebinski said a mother who was at the school during the shooting told her a "masked man" entered the principal's office and may have shot the principal. Lebinski, who is friends with the mother who was at the school, said the principal was "severely injured."
Lebinski's daughter's teacher "immediately locked the door to the classroom and put all the kids in the corner of the room."
Danbury Hospital, about 11 miles (18 km) west of the school, had received three patients from the scene, a hospital spokeswoman told NBC Connecticut. The mayor of Danbury, Mark Boughton, told MSNBC: "They are very serious injuries."
An early report from CBS:
A shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday left several children and the gunman dead, law enforcement sources tell CBS News. At least one teacher was wounded in the shooting that sent frightened pupils into the parking lot.
It is unclear if there was more than one gunman at the school.
Law enforcement sources told CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that preliminary and unconfirmed information indicates that the shooter was the father of a student.
The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way.
It wasn't clear how many people were injured at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. CBS Hartford affiliate WFSB-TV reports around 600 students attend the school.
Connecticut State Police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance described the situation to CBS New York station WCBS-AM as a "very serious school shooting."
A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher had been shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.
Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.
"It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said.
Lisa Bailey, a Newtown resident with three children in Newtown schools, told CBSNewYork.com, "Newtown is a quiet town. I'd never expect this to happen here. It's so scary. Your kids are not safe anywhere."
The superintendent's office said the district had locked down schools in Newtown, about 60 miles northeast of New York City. Schools in neighboring towns also were locked down as a precaution.
State police said Newtown police called them around 9:40 a.m.
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That you're giddy at all today is offensive. There's no point in arguing the gun issue with people like you who do not subscribe to logic or facts.
You have a difficult time deciphering passages longer than four words, eh mayhem_korner?
Yes, that's me. TP. At the low end of the IQ pool. You smoked me out. What am I to say in the face of such words as "decipher" and "four"?
Get back to me when you have something of substance to say, s'il vous plait.
Let it go Mayhem, not all people can be reached and not our job to do so.
Anything other than absolute grief right now is overkill.
Good counsel, my friend. Thx.
Hey kito...it''s good to see you're still around. Fonz and I thought you may have taken the juicy steak and slid back into the matrix. Either that or the black helicopters came and swooped you up.
(I thought helicopters)
ha ha, come on helicopters??? i love amerika.. er...uh...america!!!!
just took a break...getting wrapped up in this wears you down...makes you forget there ARE wonderful aspects to life in america, and that we should live them thoroughly while there still is a country ;)
.............and then shit like this today happens.
Everybody has to take a break from ZH, maybe it's my turn.
Fuck me. This brought me back. What does that say?
Smart move. don't be a stranger though. it scares the rest of us.
+ 100
Please don't use the Orwellian phrase "gun control" unless you are referring to a good grip and smooth trigger pull.
Force the gun grabbers to use "anti gun rights" or other more accurate but less palatable labels.
I thought I was replying to Kito? Oh, well. I must have been distracted by my unhealthy lust for cold, blue steel.
holy fuck...as a father of young kids this brings tears to my eyes
besides the dead and their families, how many lives are ruined? how many wont be able to sleep? how many nightmares will these innocent kids have for the rest of their days?
I'm going to give my kids an extra-long and extra-tight hug tonight, as I imagine many other parents will do. This is simply tragic.
agreed...cant wait to see my little guys later
just got mine. the 11 year old asked if i'd heard, but i'm putting this off until mom is home too. just listening to them on the way home, i heard the words kill or dead 50 times or more.
mainly i just want them to know their mom and i will take care of them in the best way possible.
i just can't imagine how 20+ families are going to get through tonight...
this just so sux.
These types of "events" would be much more common if the terrorists were real / here in the US.
Unfortunately this will be politicized.
I hesitate in writing this for fear of adding grief to those whose lives have been ruined but in the wake of the latest SCOTUS decision, how can one not think MK ULTRA.
This is the end of it. You think you lived in a police state before? END. OF. IT. People are going to beg to have their neighbors arrested for owning weapons and their conversations bugged and there won't be enough drones to make people feel safe.
Already happening. http://pjmedia.com/blog/maryland-state-police-fbi-swat-teams-thwart-guy-...
This is it, this will be what brings about a new Federal gun ban. When you get kids involved, emotion trumps all.
I refuse to be held accountable for the individual acts of a psychopath. Why is it that no one attempts to take my drivers license away when a drunk kills a family of six on the fucking highway? (which happens with much more frequency)
Breathalyzers in cars. Yes, the scumbags have thought of just about everything.
The scumbags are breaking eggs for the NWO omelette.
If there is a push for a gun ban, why not? I'm actually all for it, total disarmament. Think of what an awesome world we would live in with no guns, of course we need to start the disarmament with the military and cops as they are responsible for most of the gun violence and we work our way down from there. Then think of the military cost savings if we no longer need to spend money on weapons.
Ban the manufacture of any and all weapons of mass destruction.
Knives and rocks may kill people - that is true. But you can't kill anybody from very far away with either.
Unless you drop them from a mult-story building onto somebody. That would work, but it also requires effort.
Pulling a trigger or pushing a button from long range doesn't require much effort.
Make killing somebody personal again. This impersonal slaughter makes it easier to accept as a culture.
Did I use the word "culture"? I'm sorry. I shouldn't have. Using that word in reference to a society would actually infer that there is indeed culture to be found amongst its masses. Here, in the Fascist States of Amerikkka, there is no culture.
ever seen a machette massacre?...perhaps somalia is more cultured in your books
You can outrun somebody wielding a machete, far better than you can outrun somebody wielding a firearm.
Try again.
Nevertheless, the nutcases in China and in Japan run into classrooms with knives
I'd rather confront a knife nut than a gun nut hell-bent on wanton slaughter.
Would you not?
Apparently you aren't familiar (enough) with the likes of Delta Force and Navy Seals...maybe try reading a few Vince Flynn novels. Assuming you can read, that is.
Of course, those little kids would of been able to fight back if he had just had a knife...
"You better run, better run, faster than my bullets..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQ
Fuck pop culture. Fuck the media for sensationalizing these animals. Fuck anyone who could use this tragedy to further a personal agenda.
God bless the families that are suffering.
I'd rather confront a knife nut than a gun nut hell-bent on wanton slaughter.
Would you not?
...echoing a familiar argument that with a gun you can confront the criminal with a gun *who would have had the gun despite any bans, just reminding you that in some parts of your country the law enforcement already has given up or is being downsized and has to leave insecurity and security to the private citizen.
THE DAY THE WORLDS MILITARIES AND POLICE DISARM, IS THE DAY THE CITIZENS CAN DISARM.....UNTIL THEN THE 2ND AMENDMENT ALLOWS FOR CHECKS AND BALANCES TO PROTECT CITIZENS FROM NOT ONLY OTHER CITZENS, BUT FROM THE GOVERNMENT THAT IS ALLEGEDLY SUPPOSED BE OF THE PEOPLE. ....FUNNY HOW THE GUN CONTROL ADVOCATES DONT DISCUSS THE TRAGEDY OF OPPRESSED SOCIETIES AROUND THE WORLD.....SOCIETIES WHERE THE CITIZENS ARE COMPLETELY HELPLESS AS THEIR GOVERNMENTS TORTURE/RAPE/KILL AT WILL.................OR PERHAPS WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE TRAGEDIES IN SOCIETIES WHO ARE HELPLESS AS GUERRILLAS OR REBEL GROUPS ROAM THE COUNTRY RAPING AND PILLAGING AT WILL......NAAAHH, BETTER TO GIVE UP MORE FREEDOM TO THE GOVERNMENT, LET THEM CONTROL EVERYTHING, RESTRICT EVERYTHING TO MAKE US ALL "SAFER"........YES, LETS TRADE THE PRINCIPLES OF THIS COUNTRY FOR MORE SAFETY......SEEMS LIKE A FAIR TRADE-OFF................
The guy with a knife can always get the jump on you in a million ways dumbass.
Banning guns only makes you feel safer, for a little while.
Then, if you arent dumb as a fucking rock like you seem to be, the growing awareness of what little you can do to defend yourself agains a small gang of people makes you realize that you will then be much less safe.
7 meters, or so. Anyone inside that circle should be evaluated.
Edit: Actually, everyone should be evaluated as a possible threat. Have a nice day.
Between 500,000 and a million died in Rwanda during the genocide. Most were hacked to death with machetes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide
Damn right, ban it all! All items that can be used as a weapon, including stones. For those Bible believers out there, first murder was with a stone, clearly a tool for evil. Hell fists could be used to kill people, we need a total hand ban!
Though as to making it up close and person, seems Rome and all cultures in the past were remarkably cool with up close and personal killing.
Are you enjoying your little foray into Logical Fallacy land, riding along that Slippery Slope?
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/slippery-slope/
TP...just a note: ats of 13:52, you had not up-arrowed yourself. Pretty much all of your other posts have one lonely green arrow, which earns you a failing grade for subtlety.
It is hilarious that TP improperly cites the slippery slope argument to refute the logic that guns should not be banned, but then below, actually employs the logical fallacy himself by suggesting that everyone should be armed at birth.
There is no need to argue with this idiot--it is enough to watch him self destruct all on his own.
Do you mean personal like this?
Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China
http://www.courant.com/sns-rt-us-china-stabbingsbre8bd065-20121213,0,5592318.story
You may as well make killing somebody illegal again. How it's done doesn't make much difference.
unless you're a banker
Were it to happen, the only change would be that the headline would read: Madman kills children with baseball bat, or some such.
Yeah, but then there would be a surge in sword and knife sales.
Clearly, if all of these young children had only been armed, this terrible tragedy could have been averted.
Guns for everybody at birth! Then, instead of sending them to school when they are five, line them up at a firing range to begin to learn to shoot them.
Instead of food and water, all we need is ammo for our guns.
Guns and sports. That's all this society is about.
We don't need no education.
That this happened in a "Gun Free School Zone" is too ironic for you to contemplate - eh, Pointless?
Oooh! A sign is going to stop a whack job from taking a gun into a building!
Why did I not think of that?
Guns don't kill people - signs do.
I see that now.
Thank you, docj.
Well, yeah - that was kind of my point. Which, apparently, sailed right over your head.
Sorry. The only point I see is the one on your otherwise flat head.
"A sign is going to stop a whack job from taking a gun into a building!"
Just like a law is going to stop a whack job from acquiring a gun in the first place.
You're wasting your time.
No. Not a waste of time.
See, if you outlaw the manufacture of WMD (of which, I include guns and bullets), then one would have to craft their own firearm and bullets.
It starts at the top. No more militaries. No more bombs, grenades, or anything of the sort. None.
John Lennon asked us to imagine such a world. Someday, I'd like to quit imagining, open my eyes, and actually see it come to be reality.
Perhaps I'm a dreamer. But I doubt I'm the only one.
Sure. I'll give up mine right after the gov't, cops, criminals, and gangbangers turn theirs in.
Not me; I am not a lemming.
Because there weren't wars and weapons of mass destruction before modern weaponary? Read much history?
docj...no, she's wasting your time. and mine. and pretty much everyone else's.
the "gun free zone" signs are usually there for when a gun toter enters the zone, the laws get ramped up.
like "drug free zones" - they don't keep drugs out, just allow for steeper law-enforced penalties. . .
How many shooters have been successfully prosecuted using those trivialities? (hint: most never see a trial jury)
Do not mistake the sloganeering bullshit of modern so-called democracy for actual meaningful policy.
If we want to make a new law to prevent tragedies like this, how about: if a crime is committed with your registered weapon, you are by definition an accessory due to your implied neglicence in the management of your firearm.
They won't take away your right to bear arms but the comprehensive exam will be called the "Carlin Test". You have to be psychologically stable enough to not be a harm to your environment and not smart enough to understand who the real threat really is.
Carlin died in 2008 right before the collapse. George got off the Titanic before it went down...
Our loss.
Carlin had a lot of opinions that don't necessarily get aired here. . .
NRA
Sweet. When can Congress take the test?
I learned to shoot a .22 rimfire rifle in high school....
...
There was a firing range in the basement, and it was a gym elective class.
EDIT:
In an inner-ring suburb of NEW YORK CITY.
Hey dynomutt,
Wayland Mass no less, we had a gun club 22 rifle and would bring them to school on the bus....
does ZH forum contribute more to reactionary paranoia or to simple sorrow, in front of recurrent tragedy?
This thread should tell us more on that.
Primary school...just imagine the unimaginable.
Not to cast aspersions on your progressive paranoia, but this sadly has happened before, in Scotland/The Uk if i remember correctly.
Reactionary paranoia, hands-down. I'm shocked you'd even CONSIDER asking that.
I can't hardly stop crying. I was a teacher. My kids are in school right now.
with respect, as someone who looks out for your posts. . .
"was a teacher" + "My kids are in school right now" - maybe consider bringing them home to be taught in a better environment. . .
and your neighbours kids could add to the mix, safety in community.
I am thinking about it.
I was a teacher and I didn't think about it I did it. My kids never saw the inside of a classroom. My daughter is now in college at 16 (acing her finals including English and Biology, we're very prowd) and my 12 yo son was recently honored by the YMCA as a young leader. He is a fine man, for his age.
It can work.
The country needs it.
good, because you'd make a better teacher than any school could provide, and you'd be doing your children the favour of removing them from the cultural morass that is inevitable in schoolrooms.
as Cougar's post adds, kids can learn far more, with depth of interests, when removed from the distractions of learning how to fit into society, vs following where the imagination leads. . .
upvotes for you both, not that it matters, except to me.
Nothing umimaginable about it. Remember Beslan?
What is it about our society that we have degenerated to this? The pressures of the economy, the bullcr%p spewed out via videogames/movies/tv, the lack of will to deal with mentally ill people to protect the rest of us, the endless 'anything goes' permissiveness, the emptiness of mindless consumerism, what? When do us normal people get fed up with all of this and say enough is enough? God rest the souls of these innocents.
The pharmaceuticals IMO
This has gone on ever since mankind (killing of children). In the past, you just never heard of it. Not excusing it, just putting it in perspective.
In OT Times, people would sacrifice kids to Molech (Ba'al) on a fire.
They would then seek the demon's favor by burying the ashes under their huts.
There supposedly is a group of these people still alive today, they go by different names. Perhaps we should look there.
wtf why?
Why schools and malls and movie theaters? If these assholes would start shooting the people coming out of black SUVs at least they would be doing society a favor.
I loath violence but anything would be better than school kids.
These are the signs of a nation that is deeply disturbed about its identity, its laws, its morals, its finances, its vision and its opportunities.
The guns are not the cause but simply the means by which a disturbed nation cries out.
Kinda what I said. I totally agree. We need to find a way to change the course we are currently on. I have a child in school. This hits to close to home. I have to convince her that it's ok to go to a movie and/or ride the subway, and now this? I don't know what this asshole pos used, but do we really need to posess rapid fire weapons for personal use?
It sucks, but, yes, we do, as a last-ditch effort against an illegal government.
The Second Amendment is a true Doomsday or Dead Man's Switch option.
After 60 years, I have found 2 things to be true:
"An Armed Man is a Citizen. An unarmed man, a subject."
"When Guns are Outlawed, only Outlaws will have guns."
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When I was LE academy way back, we were told an Officer has NO constitutional duty to run around trying to protect 100s of citizens. Your service weapon is to protect your life.
I always tell people to arm up, and practice.
Thank you for a serious reply. I am torn by this in that I really do not know what the answer is. I have friends that shoot. Three people in my family in law enforcement at one time or another. I know that it is not the gun but the idiot behind it. That's the whole crux. How do you keep guns in the right hands and out of the hands of the timebomb?
This is another of those things that falls into a catch-22. This is no good answer. Lakecity is right though in his analysis of the failsafe.
Ultimately, we are destined to travel a rather bumpy and upsetting road on our journey into our maturity as a species - or demise.
You may live in a state where background checks are required, and psychological analysis, and you come through clean. But six months later your wife is brutally murdered by a knife wielding man and you no longer would pass that psychological test......Ya can't cover everything,, the price of freedom can sometimes be high, but I will always opt for it..
I wouldn't say that the actions of 3 disturbed individuals out of 300 million necessarily reflect on the national identity.
The actions of three disturbed individuals on their own may not necessarily reflect on the national identity, but the massive buying of guns and ammo by private and governmental people is surely a statement about how secure everyone is feeling and that insecurity stems from the growing realization that the nation has unresolved issues.
This is about as fucking sad a story i've seen in a while...
why cant one of these crazy fucks walk into the Fed building, Goldman or JPM!
What the fuck!
Careful - the folks at the Utah data center don't like that kind of talk. You a terrorist?
I wonder how long it will be before they build another centre to keep an eye on the Utah Data Centre.
Celine's 1st law.
All I'm saying is if you're the type where voices in your head are telling you to kill, at least pick a deserving target.
Those fuckers in Utah are probably reading this and saying, "Fuck yeah!"
The news is reporting that he went there to kill his mother. If that's true, let's see just how good that data center is at harvesting the info they collect. Surely there's something they COULD have intercepted to prevent this right? I mean since this is for our protection & all. /sark
Go back to 1969, Whitman a VN vet. He'd tried to get mental health help after the horrors of war & was ignored as so many were. Killed his wife & daughter b4 going to the tower @ UT.
Racial integration bussing started in my state in 1974. In 1975 a kid at the high school was killed to a single shot in the head and it's NEVER stopped since.
I don't think this can be attributed to any single factor. If his mother was his target, it's obvious the breakdown of the family unit was a contributing factor.
TV violence has been studied since the 1950's. It does desenitize & probably contributes.
Financial terrorism for the past 30yrs is more than likely another factor.
Roid rage? Psycotropics?
I pray for these families. They'll never be the same. There is no "new normal" after you lose your child. Their grief will be overwhelming & literally paralyzing.
There's a nagging feeling in my gut that this is going to get exponentially worse. Protect yourselves.
The FED, Goldman and JP only do what they are allowed to get away with. The problem lies in another building.
Because that's not part of the plan....they only go to places where people can't shoot back.
Yep. "Gun Free" zone signs are an advertisement for MKUltra shooters and other NGO criminals.
I was off on a tirade this morning about that very issue before this tragedy even happened. Those laws actually prevent me from defending my Constitutional right to the rights to Life and Liberty, as they tell me that I must allow another (deranged) individual to take my life without due process should he be inclined to do so, simply because I happen to be in a bank, school ,government building, airport, and the list keeps growing. It's unbelievable really.......
Yep. Can't do it at a Federal Reserve bank ... they have their own ARMED police force.
If you can get to them, they're not the ones you're looking for.
Hmmmm, they are probably with the group who programs some of these killers. Unlikely they would shoot their programmers.
i'm watiching CBS coverage right now / first thing they talked about was "the guns". CBS has the dialogue & the lingo & the anti-gun verbage going on really good. i have no trust in the MSM anymore; who the hell knows what's real & what's not. all i know is that no one kills kids...the most horrific of the horrific.
" all i know is that no one kills kids..."
Except O-Phone and his Drones.
Drone Kills.
Coming to the USA soon!
drones have drone pilots.
someOne is manning the joy-sticks, and it's not the prezzydent.
know what you blame/target.
O-Phone has a kill list he selects targets from... even the Red Media reports it.
dude, drones are not "O's" fault/project/invention - whatever - he's the current figurehead is all - stop distracting yourself and others with repetitive mis-directs.
drones are military inventions brought home, and they are piloted by joy-stick boys trained to kill without any mental interference.
amrkns need to get sharp on this subject as it ramps up.
Never the less; the buck stops with Hopey.
We have no disagreement.
It's just he is at the top of the visible pyramid.
Unbelievably sad. My sympathies to the families and friends, plus the concerns it creates on a national scale. With a number of relatives who are teachers, the fear for them and their students is escalating. What is making these young people (20 years old, Portland 21 years old, Denver 24 years old) snap?!
My guess is feelings of powerlessness and despair, transformed into anger and revenge fantasies. Couple it with videogames that teach you how to shoot people and you have a recipe for disaster. This guy was obviously angry with his mother and wanted to teach her a lesson by killing her and her students. I'm sure we'll find out more about this guy's history; maybe a paranoid schizophrenic like the Batman shooter.
unintended consequences of fed money printing.
You don't know how right you are.
Newton, Ct can be described as rural area. Must kids are bus in. Principal and an administrator are dead. All local schools are on lock down including Danbury Hospital.
Two shooters. It appears that one guy was taken in handcuff. Unclear if he is the shooter.
Be it he still alive so he gets what he deserves...for a long time
$SWHC.....being that this is a financial website, look at that price action...
Before everyone blames the gun, let's take a deep breathe. Look, if mental records were hooked into the background check much of this would have been avoided. This is the states and ATF's fault. The facts remain that you are far more likely to get hit by a drunk driver and then then beaten to a pulp by a gang versus getting shot, period. Less than 10,000 people die from gun wounds, many suicides, versus tens of thousands killed by cars and drunk drivers.
So, fix the background system before trying to take guns away. After all, you don't see this non-drinker trying to ban alcohol even though 2.3 MILLION people are critically injured from alcohol abuse annually... do you?
Now, this guy if he is alive should be tortured. If you are going on a rampage leave the damn kids alone, come on! This is an aweful event and almost brought me to tears as I am a parent of 2 similar age cids.
Looks like you were wrong on this. Guns were not his. I know, shocker, right? Criminal got his hands on a gun.
Right, if only giant databases had been put to work, in combination, to stop this nutball from getting hold of someone else's guns, handguns in this case, which, ah, no one under 21 can legally buy under current federal law.
FAIL.
It used to be that cowards who took their own lives did just that - take their OWN lives. Not in this uber-coward, first-person-shoot-em-up, zombie-head-shot culture...
It's time to organize 'Parents Against Victim-zones'.
as a father of a three year old, this makes me absolutely cringe - who the fuck shoots little kids? we are moving into very dark times and i really feel these types of things will become more and more frequent. i definitely seeing a gun control play as a result of this, which doesn't address the true nature of what's going on here. i saw the post by ZH on twitter last night regarding a man stabbing 22 kids in China. if some sick bastard wants to do damage, it will be done by powder, steel, rocks, etc.
I agree. We are in and moving further into dark times. It is not the gun, but the mentallity of a pos who wants to make everyone else hurt as he does. Back in the 70's, we closed most longterm inpatient mental hospitals and literally dumped the residents in the streets. I know, I saw it on Long Island. These people would be found sleeping on your lawn, etc. Eventually, most migrated towards the urban core and became what we call "the homeless". Nowadays, "homeless" consists of all sorts of misfits and people down on there luck. Like you said, this guy could have done this with other weapons. We have to change our culture to take away the anger and lack of impulse control that is driving this crap. Again, God rest the souls of those who died.
Yes. And thank Ronnie RayGun for that.
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I'm sure the scumbag showed no previous signs of mental illness.
Out of the blue.
We are not willing to pacify the obviously FUCKED, so these things will happen .
Another MKUltra assassin.
I bet w/o reading the story yet there is a report of a "second gunman."
I bet this second gunman "got away."
The "second gunman" will disappear from the inital news reports.
"Raymond, it's time for a game of Solitaire."
The Manchurian Candidate. Coming to a school near you.
It was reported that a second individual was taken out of the woods in handcuffs wearing a black sweatshirt and camo pants yelling "I didn't do it" to the parents nearby.
Bodies are not even cold and the parisite class "congress" is already writing new gun legislation! Yes please save us almighty king!
They have been written and waiting for the right time.
See Patriot Act
K-4 school. About 540 students.
What is getting worse is people jumping to a conclusion...lets wait for the facts...the names..the forensics...the details...and learn from that....
One need not await forensics to know this happens too too much. Learn from that...
Lets' see. A rash of shocking shooting rampages right after a large number of gun-control setbacks and a President who is just dying to get the political capital for a major gun ban. Coincidence? I think not.
Since we suffered this tragedy, could you at least take the time to spell the name of our town correctly?
- thanks Tyler
God comfort all involved in the tragedy.
Hate to point out the obvious but "god" was a little absent.
Well, then again, if God truly sees all, he must have been watching on with full approval of the incident.
Otherwise, then, it wouldn't have happened. Right?
All things from God, after all.
Tsar, you truly are pointless.
Why don't you log off and go home and think about what's important.
You're sinking deeper after every post.
You obliviously don't understand the reason God created humans and why we have 'free will'.
They obviously were worshipping the wrong god. Only 25 more to go.
That really sucks. I can only imagine that he was really mad about something else and took it out on poor innocent kids. It's almost impossible to fathom.
Perhaps he woke up to the realization of all the lies that were imbued into his psyche during his schooling so that FedGov could have it's way with him and the general populace. I don't know, but he couldn't have picked a worse way to channel his anger.
I suspect he was just mad, as in insane.
Now if this were Afghanistan and a guy went on a shooting rampage killing 17 children how would the US handle it
easy pay the relatives cold hard cash that is to say $46,000 for each dead relative and $10,000 for each injured
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17503733
Another psychotic twenty year-old with a gun. Image the future when this generation grows up? The profile of these guys is rather straightforward:
1. white
2. brought up with guns
3. middle to upper class
4. parents are business professionals
5. parents instill predatory attitudes and demean others
6. ONLY THEIR FAMILY MATTERS, everybody else is RAOADKILL
Ban white middle class business professionals.
You are a low life troll.
Future CEO's that can't get a job right now, so they crack.