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Newtown, CT Elementary School Shooting Tally Rises To 27 Dead, Of Whom 20 Children - Live Video

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Update 4: the NYT has released a brief biopic on Lanza's, who it turns out had Asperger's Syndrome:

He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.


Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.


He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.


Until Friday.


The authorities said Mr. Lanza, 20, wearing combat gear, carried out one of the deadliest mass shootings in the nation’s history. He killed 20 children and six adults at the elementary school where his mother worked, they said. He then apparently turned his gun on himself. The police said he also earlier killed his mother.


In his brief adulthood, Mr. Lanza had left few footprints, electronic or otherwise. He apparently had no Facebook page, unlike his older brother, Ryan, a Hoboken, N.J., resident who for several hours on Friday was misidentified in news reports as the perpetrator of the massacre.


Adam Lanza did not even appear in his high school yearbook, that of the class of 2010. His spot on the page said, “Camera shy.” Others who graduated that year said they did not believe he had finished school.


Matt Baier, now a junior at the University of Connecticut, and other high school classmates recalled how deeply uncomfortable Mr. Lanza was in social situations.


Several said in separate interviews that it was their understanding that he had a developmental disorder. They said they had been told that the disorder was Asperger syndrome, which is considered to be a high functioning form of autism.


“It’s not like people picked on him for it,” Mr. Baier said. “From what I saw, people just let him be and that was that.”


One former classmate who said he was familiar with the disorder described Mr. Lanza as having “very flat affect,” adding, “If you looked at him, you couldn’t see any emotions going through his head.”


Others said Mr. Lanza’s evident discomfort prompted giggles from those who did not understand him.


Law enforcement officials said Friday that they were closely examining whether Mr. Lanza had such a disorder.

More here. Indeed, there is a statistical predisposition, at least anecdotally, for those with Asperger's toward both murder and violence.  In other words, watch as the debate rages over the traditional bogeyman of gun control, in a country with over three hundred million weapons, when we may well simply be talking about a mentally ill young adult.

As for the misidentified Ryan, who for a few brief hours was presented by law enforcement as the suspected shoorter, we learn from the WSJ:

Israel raids Palestinian NGO officesKatie Colaneri, a 24-year-old resident of Hoboken, N.J., described herself as a friend of Ryan, the suspect’s brother who for hours Friday was incorrectly identified as the alleged gunman. “He [is] a little shy, but very nice and sweet,” said Ms. Colaneri, who has known Ryan for over a year.


She said Ryan is a gentle guy who was  devoted to his job at the Ernst & Young accounting firm. A representative for Ernst & Young would not comment on his employment status.


A law-enforcement official briefed on the investigation told the Associated Press that Ryan has been “extremely co-operative” and is not under arrest, although he was still being question late Friday.


The official said Ryan’s computers and phone records were being searched but only “in an abundance of caution.” Ryan told authorities he had not been in touch with his brother Adam in recent years, and the official said he isn’t believed to have any connection to the school killings.


In Hoboken, Ryan lives in a newer building that was hard-hit by superstorm Sandy, Ms. Colaneri said. He lost power for a number of days following the storm.


The last time she saw him, about a month ago, Ms. Colaneri recalled that Ryan ran up to her and gave her a hug.  ”I’m really shocked,” she said. “As the details unfolded, I was totally devastated.”

Update 3: ABC has released a picture of the real shooter, Adam Lanza, taken in 2005 when he was ~13 years old.

Update 2 : NY Post now refuting CNN's initial report, and stating that the shooter's real name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza, who is instead brother of the latter. At this point there appears to be a ridiculous amount of confusion who did what, so it perhaps would be prudent on behalf of the authorities to double check this information before releasing it to the media. And just out from AP:

The AP confirms this further here:

The suspect in the Connecticut school shootings is Adam Lanza, 20, the son of a teacher at the school where the shootings occurred, a law enforcement official said Friday. A second law enforcement official says the boy's mother, Nancy Lanza, is presumed dead.


Adam Lanza's older brother, Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., is being questioned by police, said the first official. Earlier, a law enforcement official mistakenly transposed the brothers' first names.


Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation.


The first official said Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.


According to the second official, the suspect drove to the scene of the shootings in his mother's car. Three guns were found at the scene — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols — and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. The two pistols were recovered from inside the school.


The official also said Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.


Meanwhile, former Jersey Journal staff writer Brett Wilshe said he has spoken with Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, who told Wilshe the shooter may have had Ryan Lanza's identification.


Ryan Lanza has a Facebook page that posted updates Friday afternoon that read that "it wasn't me" and "I was at work."

Update: According to CNN the shooter's name is Ryan Lanza, out of New Jersey. Based on a White Pages reverse lookup there is an 18-24 year old Ryan Lanza living in Hoboken, NJ whose FaceBook profile lists Newtown, CT as his home city. Whether it is the same person remains to be confirmed officially.


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Sadly, increasingly it appears that not a day, and certainly not a week can pass, in the US without news of some mass killing somewhere. Several days ago its was a mall in Oregon, and today it is a shooting rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Here is what is known: the shooter, who CBS reports is a 20 year old from New Jersey, is reported to be dead. A second shooting suspect, a 24 year old man with a bulletproof vest and 4 guns has been apprehended in custody (this has subsequently been not confirmed). According to CBS 27 people are dead, of whom 18, Connecticut Post 27 people are dead, of whom 20 tragically, children. Among the dead are the principal and the school psychologist. The AP has already dubbed it "the worst school tragedy in American history."

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Live streaming updates on everything Newtown related can be found on the Reuters website here.

More from Reuters:

 At least 27 people, including 18 children, were killed on Friday when at least one shooter opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, CBS News reported, citing unnamed officials.


If confirmed, it would be one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The holiday season tragedy follows a series of shooting rampages in the United States this year that have killed multiple victims, and it was certain to revive a debate about U.S. gun laws.


The principal and school psychologist were among the dead, CNN said. Witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots with some saying as many as 100 were fired.


The suspected shooter, 24, was armed with four weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, WABC reported.


There were unconfirmed reports of a second shooter.


Another person was being held in police custody after he was detained in the woods near the school wearing camouflage pants, CBS reported.


Sandy Hook Elementary School teaches children from kindergarten through fourth grade - roughly ages 5 to 10.


"It was horrendous," said parent Brenda Lebinski, who rushed to the school where her daughter is in the third grade. "Everyone was in hysterics - parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don't know if they were shot, but they were bloodied."


Television images showed police and ambulances at the scene, and parents rushing toward the school. Parents were seen reuniting with their children and taking them home.


"This is going to be bad," a state official told Reuters, requesting anonymity because the scope of the tragedy remained uncertain.


President Barack Obama was notified and would receive regular updates throughout the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.


"We're still waiting for more information about the incident in Connecticut," Carney said when asked about the president's reaction to it.


Carney called the event "tragic" and said there would be time later for a discussion of policy implications.


Obama remains committed to trying to renew a ban on assault weapons, Carney said.


All Newtown schools were placed in lockdown after the shooting, the Newtown Public School District said.


Lebinski said a mother who was at the school during the shooting told her a "masked man" entered the principal's office and may have shot the principal. Lebinski, who is friends with the mother who was at the school, said the principal was "severely injured."


Lebinski's daughter's teacher "immediately locked the door to the classroom and put all the kids in the corner of the room."


Danbury Hospital, about 11 miles (18 km) west of the school, had received three patients from the scene, a hospital spokeswoman told NBC Connecticut. The mayor of Danbury, Mark Boughton, told MSNBC: "They are very serious injuries."

An early report from CBS:

A shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday left several children and the gunman dead, law enforcement sources tell CBS News. At least one teacher was wounded in the shooting that sent frightened pupils into the parking lot.


It is unclear if there was more than one gunman at the school.


Law enforcement sources told CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that preliminary and unconfirmed information indicates that the shooter was the father of a student.


The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way.


It wasn't clear how many people were injured at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. CBS Hartford affiliate WFSB-TV reports around 600 students attend the school.


Connecticut State Police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance described the situation to CBS New York station WCBS-AM as a "very serious school shooting."


A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher had been shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.


Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.


"It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said.


Lisa Bailey, a Newtown resident with three children in Newtown schools, told, "Newtown is a quiet town. I'd never expect this to happen here. It's so scary. Your kids are not safe anywhere."


The superintendent's office said the district had locked down schools in Newtown, about 60 miles northeast of New York City. Schools in neighboring towns also were locked down as a precaution.


State police said Newtown police called them around 9:40 a.m.


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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:34 | 3064199 Colonial Intent
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Are you Lin Biao's bastard son?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:08 | 3064427 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Still have not digested the neighbor's dog that I wokked last night. But the brown mud monkey awaiting in my bowels will make a good roadside likeness of Mao.

Signed: AnAnonymous

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:49 | 3063876 Josey Montana
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So there in UK how many negroes and mexicans do you have?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:56 | 3063927 billwilson
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You really are ignaroant aren't you?

Tons of blacks, lots from the Carribean, lots of indians, pakistanis,.... you name it. It is just that folks don't go around shooting each other like they are in some Hollywood movie.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:04 | 3063982 Josey Montana
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I spend as much time in UK as anywhere else.  You have no fucking idea what its like to live in Newark NJ, Philadlephia, PA or Baltimore MD let alone deepest darkest congo-on-hudson.

If you did, you wouldn't be so bloody stupid as to claim equivalency between aboriginal America and a bunch of chavs jaywalking in London.

I reiterate:  you don't know the first thing about US crime or US criminals.  Let me give you a hint:  more people died of murder in Chicago this year than at this school.  No one gives a damn in the media.  Ask yourself WHY.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:26 | 3064133 AnAnonymous
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Newark NJ, Philadlephia, PA or Baltimore MD let alone deepest darkest congo-on-hudson.


Amen to that.

Signed: an American

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:02 | 3064388 Intoxicologist
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Amen, I shat.

Signed: OnMyRoad-ymous

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:25 | 3065133 blunderdog
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    more people died of murder in Chicago this year than at this school.  No one gives a damn in the media.  Ask yourself WHY.

Because most of them were Black, this is a racist country, and most of them were criminals who killed each other.

What's your point, exactly?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:15 | 3064055 Vooter
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You many "negroes and mexicans" do you think are living in Newtown, CT? LOL...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:29 | 3064162 AnAnonymous
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There is one mud skin too many in the oval office. He let our kids get killed to satisfy his appetite for revenge.

One negro too many in every place in the US.

Signed: an American.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:35 | 3064209 akak
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There is one roadside stool too many in the Middle Kingdom.

He let our sanity get killed to satisfy his appetite for bigotry.

One Chinese hypocritizen too many in every forum in the US.

Signed: an American.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:06 | 3064406 AnAnonymous
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At least, the signature is factual.

But wait, was it not supposed that 'americans' do not exist?

Fantasy has its own demands...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:12 | 3064444 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Fantasy has its own demands...

You're the expert, since you're the king of the fantasy world you inhabit.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:16 | 3065105 jomama
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you killed whatever cred you had on this thread with this post.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:54 | 3064337 Josey Montana
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Hey knee jerker:  were you reading the thread?  He compared no-gun, no-crime UK to lotsa guns, lotsa crime USA.

Go jump in a lake, take your ignorant jerking knee with you.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:21 | 3064481 Cathartes Aura
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So there in UK how many negroes and mexicans do you have?

do fuck off with your ignorance - how many mass school shootings have "negroes and mexicans" as perpetrators?

even globally.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:57 | 3063911 Unstable Condition
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Gun crimes went up by 89% in the U.K. last decade, I thought they were illegal?

If people want them, they will get them.,

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:48 | 3064800 Rogue Trooper
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UK? the ultimate limp, hand-wringing, NU-Labour, CONservative, pussies.

Yeh, the UK 'police' won't even venture into that shithole the Moss Side in Manchester unless they are all tooled up... better than the SAS (including an armored car BTW).

Bill, ponder the loss of YOUR right to protect yourself and your family as you watch then get gang raped by a bunch of Jamaicans or Nazi skin-heads while they point an AK at your head.  The Uk Crims have got plenty of nice 'Kit', dirt cheap from the 'former' Eastern Block - wanna AK? how many do ya wont (Boris) - So call 911 and leave a message.

You and your lot gave up your right to exist a long time ago.  At least your demise will be recorded on one of the many Camera put in place "To protect you".

The consequences will be a real bitch.

/Tony Blair

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:27 | 3063741 spellbound
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@ theMAXILOPEZpsycho   Happy trolling!

Gov't op to justify weapons ban?!?!?!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:33 | 3063745 Central Bankster
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Lanza has 125 Facebook  friends.  how long until zero? 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:37 | 3063814 youngman
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Actually with this sick screwed up society...he will probably gain some friends

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:55 | 3063916 Intoxicologist
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I wondered how long it would take before the Facebook page would be produced. 

Yet another reason to steer clear of that abomination.

Let the unfriending begin...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:29 | 3063756 MelvilleSaysNo
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This is a horrifying event and I feel bad for the family of all those killed, except the gunman.

That being said, I'm concerned that this is a 'false flag' event that will be used to ban guns in the USA, a similar situation that occured in Australia after the Port Arthur massacre.

After finding out that 911 was an inside job, I am very skeptical of taking media-reported events like these at face value.  With the Communist Obama in office and the media relentlessly on his side, I fear that the gun rights guaranteed to us under the 2nd amendment are in danger.

Is it a coincidence that Senator Fienstein just recently started talking more about banning assault weapons?  This event will only embolden her.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:31 | 3063767 Arthur Borges
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Just the other day, we had an attack on an elementary school here in Henan Province, China where I live. There were 22 victims but the assailant just had a knife and it seems all the kids will survive. Yep, he's in custody and he's good for more than a dime.

Firearms are hard to come by here and the only weapons avaiable to police officers are training, experience, a uniform and cellphone with an app to the crime information database.

The American right to bear arms became outdated the day Indians were no longer worth shooting.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:56 | 3063929 Quantitative_Ap...
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Why don't you tell that to the people of Tibet, right before you shoot them in the back of the head for wanting their country back.....





Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:58 | 3063950 Zap Powerz
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My right to defend myself does not interfer with your desire to not defend yourself.  Does your desire to not defend yourself mean I have no right to defend myself?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:01 | 3063963 JR
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The country that has guns in the hands of the citizens is free; the country that has guns in the hands of the rulers (the Peoples Liberation Army) is not free. You made your case.

There are two primary reasons why there is an increase in sales of firearms in the US.

The first reason, there have been recent events of groups of people killed with a firearm such as the Aurora Colorado episode. 

As a result there were widespread campaigns and urgings by the “gun grabbers” for much stricter gun laws - from columnists to talk show hosts to major media.  The emphasis was placed on the claim that too many guns in society means innocent people are being killed. As a result, a sizable percentage of the public realized that restrictions on guns would be a restriction on their freedom and their self defense against criminals.

The second reason is that never before has the government begun arming its civilian employees by well into the tens of thousands from the forest service to EPA to Labor Department to health officials to Federal Reserve employees... In addition to this incredible armed advance,  the Federal government has worked more closely than ever with state police and local police forces to give them much more fire power and technology to deal allegedly with criminals but, also, with surveillance of private citizens.

In addition to this, the military has begun greater and greater involvement in domestic areas to the extent that they are having air and ground exercises in urban areas and SWAT teams are being trained to deal with potential civilian uprisings.

In short, and for this reason, citizens are arming themselves, not for deer hunting or target practice, but to defend  themselves from the government.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:31 | 3063771 Benjamin Glutton
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just another toxic derivative.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:31 | 3063776 shovelhead
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I don't have a PhD in Sociology but the root problem here wouldn't surprise me in the least to be narcissism.

These mentally deficient pieces of shit would never quietly off themselves in a cheap hotel room. They have to satisfy their massively overblown egos and get their 15 minutes of fame that somehow they feel they deserve and were denied. All part of the entitlement programming they grew up with and ironically learned in their school.

They feel the need to 'make somebody pay' for their fucked up life so they prey on the most vulnerable and least defendable segment of society ...Kids.

My sincere sympathies to the loved ones of the victims of this heinous act.

My anger at this subhuman piece of shit is indescribable right now.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:00 | 3063958 AnAnonymous
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My anger at this subhuman piece of shit is indescribable right now.

Amen to that. It takes sub humans to do that. We Americans thought we elevated humanity above that shit. We were wrong.

Hedge accordingly.

Signed: an American.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:00 | 3063962 forexskin
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its all clear now.

you're a sarchastic troll looking to turn your stated citizenism into an absurdity with reductio ad absurdum rhetoric.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:53 | 3064334 trav777
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Kartrashian's famous.  Worldstarhiphop baby.

Everyone acts the fool and gets attention.  Fame isn't famous anymore...infamy is.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:32 | 3063785 SgtShaftoe
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This stinks of something...BAD.  What kind of psychopath would specifically and deliberately target kids?  That's the most inhuman thing a person could ever do.  It is also the most impactful thing anyone could think of to attempt to sway government and public opinion to disarm the masses.  It seems awfully convenient given the current state of the USA that this would happen to help the cause of the corporatist criminals.  I have no idea what the fuck just happened, but it smells very evil to me.  Could it have been just a lone crazy person? possibly, but my spidey senses are tingling on overdrive... 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:13 | 3064037 catacl1sm
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He probably started with kittens, puppies, and bunnies.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:36 | 3063809 Bawneee Fwank
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Look at the guy...Some douche liberal indoctrinated kid who no doubt is full of psychotropic drugs.  Probably been on them since he was a child, looks as though his mommy was a teacher at this school, so the spoiled shit killed all these kids along with his mom...sad, just fucking sad. Stop force feeding these kids drugs you sick MF'ers!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:39 | 3063823 Spastica Rex
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What tipped you off on the "liberal" part? Was it the glasses?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:44 | 3063848 earnyermoney
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Are there any convervatives in the NE?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:11 | 3064015 Vooter
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You clearly haven't spent much time in the Northeast...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:16 | 3064067 object_orient
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It's a simple exercise in logic. Liberals = bad. School shooter = bad. School shooter = liberal.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:42 | 3063833 Seasmoke
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Wow shooting elementary school children. That is really raising the temperature quickly. It is going to blow up very soon.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:41 | 3063834 serog
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Funny thing with facebook, you can look at everyone that is "friends" with this guy.  So of them do not have privacy set up on their accounts.  One friend is claiming that the shooter was not this Lanza guy.  If that's true, sucks to be Lanza.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:57 | 3063931 Mi Naem
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Lanza - another Richard Jewell?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:35 | 3064213 ToddGak
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Well if it wasn't him, he can clear up any confusion by updating his status.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:45 | 3063852 Zen Bernanke
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 Tragic no doubt, but guns don't kill people.  people kill people.     So, for the sake of the rest of us, will all you self-riteous reactionaries already calling out to ban all guns:  Shut the fuck up!  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:47 | 3063866 Mi Naem
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People don't misspell. Pencils do!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:17 | 3064069 JR
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Right oh. Gun control argument in a nut shell (no pun intended). :-)

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE (email circular letter):1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. 2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone. 3. Colt: The original point and click interface. 4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control. 5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords? 6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. 7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms. 8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any. 9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither. 10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved. 11. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you not understand? 12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others. 13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday. 14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians. 15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety. 16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive. 17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer. 18. Assault is a behavior, not a device. 19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer. 20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson. 21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them. 22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for. 23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more. 24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves. 25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:09 | 3064432 AnAnonymous
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25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

The world could have escaped 'Americanism'. The best thing to ever happen to Humanity.

This disqualifies for sure gun control.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:16 | 3064458 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The Chinese Citizenism Communautist Revolution would never have happened with dung control.

The world could have escaped Chinese citizenism 'AnAnonymosity'. The worst thing to ever happen to roadsides.

This disqualifies for sure flush toiletry dung control.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:46 | 3063857 Josey Montana
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This is what happens in the Slaughter Zones that the teachers' unions and demoncrat party imposed on decent US people.

Unarmed children and their useless teachers who were armed only with platitudes.

Ironically, it was a teacher that went lunatic insane and murdered them all.

Yet somehow the NRA and my Liberty is to blame? 


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:58 | 3063939 Spastica Rex
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When they come to "take your guns away," it will be with drones and armored vehicles. Just sayin'.

Seriously - you want to arm 8 year olds?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:57 | 3064355 Josey Montana
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What kind of dumass question is that, anyway????

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:27 | 3064744 Soph
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Well, you did say this...

"Unarmed children and their useless teachers who were armed only with platitudes."

Arming children is what you are implying, you know.


Now, insofar as the entire gun control debate goes, I've got nothing to add. we're all fubar anyway. The problems are so far beyond having a gun, or not, its hard to even fathom that simplistic a solution. But it does make for good reading, so you folks carry on.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:07 | 3064000 Vooter
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Just curious--why do the vast majority of mass shootings happen in the country that has the laxest gun laws? I mean, seriously--you rarely, if ever, see shootings like these outside the U.S. Why are other people around the world able to control themselves when it comes to shooting others? Is it just something in the water here? The air? Inquiring minds want to know...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:16 | 3064059 catacl1sm
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Dumb fuck

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:22 | 3064104 Spastica Rex
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A majority of one example.


Back at ya, slack wit.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:32 | 3064184 AnAnonymous
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A majority of one example.

'Americans' usually consider that when a minority elects a president, the majority is in charge.

It is 'american' to consider that one out of many is a majority.

By 'american' standards, it holds.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:20 | 3064474 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It is 'AnAnonymerican' to consider that one turd out of many Chinese citizenism citizens can despoil all roadsides.

For 'American Standard' brand of flush toilets, we have no use, because our bowels we never hold.

Signed: AnAnonymous

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:27 | 3064511 Intoxicologist
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And please don't squeeze the Chairman......errrr, I mean Charmin.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:00 | 3064648 akak
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+1.3 billion

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:50 | 3064318 Vooter
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I said the "vast majority" of shootings, you halfwit. Why can't you fucking retards READ? This is EXACTLY the problem in this country--we have to put up with TV- and sugar-addled subhumans like you....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:47 | 3064825 forexskin
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been to somalia lately?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:29 | 3064167 adventuretime
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The US does not even rank in the top 100 countries by murder rate.  Inquiring minds want you to kill yourself. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:47 | 3064300 Vooter
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Where did I mention the murder rate, you moron? I asked about MASS SHOOTINGS. Or do you have a reading comprehension problem? LOL...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:06 | 3064409 adventuretime
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According to your theory, "other people around the world are able to control themselves".  However, your theory is proven catastrophically false by the empirical data. SO EAT A DICK.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:21 | 3064717 Vooter
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What empirical data? I don't see a chart of world mass shootings anywhere in your post--what empirical data are you talking about? Do you just make shit up as you go along? LOL...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:56 | 3064346 trav777
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guns are illegal in Mexico, no?

Oh, that's "different."  They have a REASON to slaughter people there.  Got it.

Psycho is psycho.  The Swiss have automatic rifles...why does this sort of thing not happen there?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:05 | 3064664 lakecity55
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Laxest gun laws?

You need to read up on the USC and State Statutes, amigo.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 01:47 | 3065757 Josey Montana
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You seem to think the population ofd the United States is homogeneous.




Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:54 | 3063904 boh knows
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Generation Y is not Evil. You are ignorarnt to say that. Are you forgetting how operates society the older generation. Keep turning my generation into consuming/videogame head/brainless junkies, and there's your result. Heart goes out to all the families.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:54 | 3063905 boh knows
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Generation Y is not Evil. You are ignorarnt to say that. Are you forgetting who operates society the older generation. Keep turning my generation into consuming/videogame head/brainless junkies, and there's your result. Heart goes out to all the families.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:20 | 3063912 Jumbotron
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The actual worst school massacre in history:

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:56 | 3063930 Michigander
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Laws do not change behavior. Laws merely define a punishment for a behavior. There is a distinc difference. Its time to arm the teachers so many wouldnt have to die.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:58 | 3063938 Rustysilver
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I am in CT. Every TV station is LIVE.  "Jurnalist" just intervied a kid from school.  People in my state are SICK.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 15:59 | 3063952 Rustysilver
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Apperantly "suspect's brother is being held.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:02 | 3063969 kekekekekekeke
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I bought a thousand rounds of ammo and some high capacity magazines before the election because I figured something like this would happen


and call me paranoid but really hard to believe all these lone wolf stories

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:59 | 3064367 lakecity55
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Have you noticed in these events the shooters are always similarly clothed, armed, and die at the end of the event?

There is a similar MO in each crime.

There is an Agenda here, and someone does not mind killing hundreds of citizens in order to seize all firearms and establish some kind of totalitarian state.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:50 | 3064613 kekekekekekeke
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I totally agree, I think it's bullshit how they're always saying these very men all acted totally alone

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:48 | 3064610 kekekekekekeke
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my boyfriend heard the news and immediately bought the uzi he's been eyeing 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:06 | 3063991 licutis
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maybe if mommy was a better parent and didnt spend all her time caring about other kids little ryan wouldn't have acted out in this way

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:50 | 3064619 kekekekekekeke
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daddy gets a free pass though right



Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:08 | 3063996 Monedas
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The worst tragedy in American public education history .... is American public education !     Fucktard Piers Morgan .... DO NOT LISTEN TO CNN FOR 1 WEEK !     OK to skewer babies with coat hangers .... just don't shoot 'em ?  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:08 | 3064002 muppet_master
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ryan lanza

= looks like a weed smoking, obama voting LIE-beral.....

its got to be tough for all parents across the country....including me, parent of a toddler.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:10 | 3064014 jplotinus
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This one hits close to home. Area is mortified. No words.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:11 | 3064018 Monedas
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You don't get the death penalty unless you kill government people and their kids .... the rest of us are on our own !

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:13 | 3064032 spellbound
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Henceforth only wolves will be allowed to carry weapons. All sheep(le) are instructed to present their weapons to the local gendarmerie.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:15 | 3064056 muppet_master
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they ain't taking my GUNS !!

they take our guns = communism = gangaraping-obama style..

by the china the crazies use butcher knives to kill elementary school children.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:01 | 3064382 AnAnonymous
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in china the crazies use butcher knives to kill elementary school children.

Kill, injure, who cares in this 'american' world?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:21 | 3064482 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Kill, injure, who cares in this 'american' world?

As long as children are dying, it makes your tiny pee-pee hard.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:15 | 3064049 onlooker
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There is no wide spread reporting of incidents like this that have been prevented/avoided by school personnel and or law enforcement. A teacher friend of mine in Texas told me a few years back that they had procedures and ran practice of mock incidents on a weekend. This was in response to a school attack in another state. This school is in a low crime area. It may be that schools in different areas have more or less security depending on local crime rates or perceived danger.


I suspect there are killing avoidance incidents in large enough numbers that if widely known would panic the population about our unsafe society. Filtered and restricted news about the thousands of killings in our church mouse relative to the South, Mexico, is an excellent illustration. The common bombings in MENA that kill children and all others within the kill zone are non-news.


Common sense says that to protect your family, you move to a safe place. This may work better than an unsafe place, but obviously not always failsafe. Unfortunately bad/crazy is currently inescapable.


Funding and leadership is lacking at many local levels to provide solution. And, there is NO one answer solution. IMO one of the first moves is more school security. At this financial point this may not be possible, but is affordable valued in the lives of Children as currency.


IF we, the U.S.A. issues armed and trained troops across the World to “protect the concepts we hold to be self evident” how is it we can not protect the most innocent and vulnerable of our own body and blood.


It may be that States create solutions and share them to arrive at templates of what works. It is unthinkable that this is not currently in play, if not it seems obvious that it should be.




Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:16 | 3064053 Monedas
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Left over from Marc Faber:  "Quickest way to a North Korean's heart .... stab him with a bayonet where his stomach ought to be !" .... Monedas    1929      

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:27 | 3064140 falak pema
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North Korea in 'Newton' Connecticut? 

Land of golden apples and Eureka? 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:19 | 3064084 Monedas
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New North Korean Winter Olympic sport .... shooting starving babies in a barrel between cross country ski treks !  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:20 | 3064090 yogibear
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I'm surprised this hasn't occurred at the shopping malls this time of year.  If these nutcases want to make a statement it's a place where there are plenty of people. 

That's why I avoid crowded malls. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:46 | 3064290 catacl1sm
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Are you forgetting the shooting at the mall earlier this week?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:27 | 3064113 falak pema
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whatever our convictions - count the pros and cons of paranoid reaction here; it tells its own tale.

This is OUR forum and we must assume its content; not what happened in Newtown.

This is OUR karma. 

In the rational realm, Archimedes invented a concept called "leverage". We see its application in War, in Finance; now we see it in cannibalistic rituals in the hearth and home of our civilization; our primary schools. 

Ask the NRA if ballistic cannibalism is an inalienable right.

'Cos its cannibalism, they ARE us.  There are no Al Qaeda terrorists amongst those primary school kids.

What is the rationale to feed this ferocious beast? 

Agememnon's hubris? 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:41 | 3064250 Spastica Rex
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:50 | 3064321 trav777
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Feel free to surrender your guns.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:33 | 3064540 falak pema
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I have none to surrender apart from my keypad...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:31 | 3064526 blunderdog
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We all hang around an environment as hostile and hateful as this forum HERE and then we see many of the same folks who'd be more than delighted to start shooting their neighbors PRETEND to be surprised to see evidence of hate and hostility writ large in the headlines.

Fortunately, the ZH crowd is pretty fringey.  I don't think most of the populace is *nearly* as angry as this audience is.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:26 | 3064135 liszt
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Yes, that's again Krugman's fault, put it on keynesians.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:34 | 3064198 AnAnonymous
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:40 | 3064245 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:


Had to stop on the roadside and drop off a brown baby Mao, huh?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:51 | 3064322 AnAnonymous
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Sounds like an 'American' is again projecting.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:23 | 3064494 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Smells like Chinese citizenism citizen AnAnonymous is again squatting and ejecting.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:42 | 3064249 akak
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Behold the sound of one hand crapping.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:12 | 3064439 AnAnonymous
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Behold the sound


Yes, behold the sound...

Ah, 'Americans' and their comics culture...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:27 | 3064507 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Behold the smell of one dunce crapping.

Ah, AnAnonymous and his comical insanitation.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:33 | 3064136 Monedas
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When the entire socialist world is looking sick i.e. Syria, Egypt, Congo, etc. .... and Israel and the US look like civilized societies .... leftist kooks have to do ugly stuff to make life fair .... and distract from Socialism's pandemic failures !

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:33 | 3064195 gnomon
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What the Hell do you gun control freaks think keeps a gang from busting down your door? It sure is not the thought of an old single-shot shotgun on the other side of the door.   The prospect of an AR15 with a 20 round mag or a Glock with a 15 round mag DOES give them pause. 

Go ahead and empower the mob, you will reap the whirlwind.  Get rid of the Equalizer, and chaos will really rain down on you.

The Beast of Incontinent Amorality is loose in the land, and we have Big Brother breathing down our necks.  This is the worst of times for gun control.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:35 | 3064210 AnAnonymous
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It takes an American to outdo another American.

Well done, Sir.

Signed: an American.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:42 | 3064263 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I love it when any kind of horrible tragedy happens in US citizenism 'americanism' America. It diverts attention away from the self-immolation of children in Chinese citizenism occupied Tibet.

Of course, either one makes my teeny little pee-pee hard.

Signed: AnAnonymous

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:49 | 3064303 AnAnonymous
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Again with Tibet?

Tibet for everything.

Tibet for Guantanamo Bay, Tibet for Iraq, Tibet for Lybia etc

And now Tibet for that shooting spree.

Tibet is quite useful. I wonder how 'americans' will do when that Tibet stuff is over.

Oh wait, they will find another event.

So funny, 'americans' and their shameless projecting. Diverting from Tibet when 'americans' are so addicted to using Tibet to divert from their so many numerous operations.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:01 | 3064379 catacl1sm
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We should have let the Japanese take China.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:14 | 3064448 AnAnonymous
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Yep, that could have yielded more knowledge out of experimentation on human beings, that US Americans traded in exchange of the immunity of certain Japanese leaders.

Ummm, more experimentation on human beings, 'americans' love that.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:48 | 3065205 MrSteve
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You say "when that Tibet stuff is over".

Now hear this: its never going to be over until the Chi-Commie MF slavemasters are buried in their own dung, which will happen, bank on it. Welcome to your future and do ever chew faster on the dung that nourishes you, as it did your ancestors. You are not anonymous, your name is Legion.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:33 | 3064543 Intoxicologist
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:35 | 3064211 Monedas
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Beware Socialist "Lone Wolf" Egalitarian Terrorists !

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:38 | 3064229 Monedas
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Krugman and Obama .... Nobel Prize Bubble Laureates !

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:38 | 3064240 NuYawkFrankie
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A peculiar and diabolical evil has descended...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:41 | 3064254 AnAnonymous
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Dont worry about that, 'americanism' will take of that.

No matter how one ambitious guy thinks he can do bad, an 'american' will do worse than himself.

There is nothing bad enough an 'american' can worsen. The great gift of 'americanism' to humanity.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:45 | 3064279 akak
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Dont worry about that roadside shart, Chinese shitizenism will take of that.

No matter how one ambitious guy thinks he can do-do bad, a Chinese shitizen will do-do worse than himself.

There is no turd bad enough an Chinese shitizen can worsen. The great gift of Chinese shitizenism to tapewormkind.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:50 | 3064313 AnAnonymous
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Hard to get off fantasy land...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:53 | 3064335 akak
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Yes, I agree.

Do let us know when you finally do.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:19 | 3064465 AnAnonymous
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How can agreement be possible?

'Americans' are so trapped in 'americanism' and so impotent at facing it they need to take shelter in fantasy.

Other people can only witness 'americans' and their cocoon of fantasy. It is not possible to reach an 'american' in his fantasy land.

JKC, they can even fantasize that people living in reality need to let them know when they get off fantasy.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:30 | 3064521 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Hard to get off fantasy land...

You shouldn't have signed the long-term lease there, dummy.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:47 | 3064292 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, stroking his itty bitty pee-pee while gloating over more dead children, said:

There is nothing bad enough an 'american' can worsen. The great gift of 'americanism' to humanity.

In Chinese citizenism occupied Tibet, those children would have set themselves on fire. A great gift of Chinese citizenism efficiency: it saves on the expense of bullets.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:54 | 3064339 AnAnonymous
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gloating over more dead children,

Gloating over more dead children?

Nah. Not even.

On the other side, 'americans', them, they gloat over the death of certain children while want everyone else to feel sorry when some 'american' kids get killed.

But hey, compassion is to be shown to human beings. And kids 'american' kill are not human.
So say 'Americans'

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:56 | 3064350 akak
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Those children mean nothing to him, they are only "foreign devils", and merely a drop in the bucket compared to all the infants aborted or killed in the glorious Middle Kingdom of fabled present (not to mention all the Tibetans slaughtered or displaced in the name of Han Chinese imperialism).

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:20 | 3064476 AnAnonymous
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No. 'Americans' do so much better.

'Americans' are more efficient. They work on smaller numbers.

When 'americanism' prevails in China, that will be the start of the thing. Not now.

For this kind of stuff, there is 'americans' and the others.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:14 | 3064435 IridiumRebel
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China Man knives 22. Fuck You. I practice up in Newtown and one of my best friends son goes to school in Newtown and his wife teaches art in another district school. Fuck You. Eat shit you motherfucker. Shut the Fuck up and keep your cock holster of a mouth shut you piece of shit. Say a prayer if anything but shut the fuck up. I hate you. These were children. Go away. Everyone fucking hates you. You contribute nothing.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:24 | 3064498 AnAnonymous
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Maybe this chinese guy is an 'american'. Who knows?

These were children. 'Americans' have brought war to children since their inception.

'Americans' turned war from being an adult activity into an activity that should encompass everyone, including children and 'americans' want humanity to weep 'american' children?

Wooo, racism is essential to 'americans'. They truly think themselves a superior race that must be shown behaviours 'americans' refuse to others.

Without racism, how 'americans' would fare?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:32 | 3064532 IridiumRebel
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Who knows? What I do know is how you'd fare with me in a small room.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:32 | 3064533 ironmace
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Go back to blowing goats.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:07 | 3064418 smacker
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Shall we blame it on No.1?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:42 | 3064262 smacker
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Enter: Obamarama wanting more gun control laws.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:47 | 3064280 dexter_morgan
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A definite tragedy, but worst school tragedy ever? I'm old so I remember this one:


The fire at Our Lady of the Angels School was the third highest death toll from a disaster in an American school building, with 95 lives lost. The greatest school disaster, the New London School explosion, occurred March 18, 1937, when at least 298 died in a natural gas explosion in New London, Texas. The other major school disaster claimed 175 lives in the Collinwood School Fire in what is now Cleveland, Ohio, on March 4, 1908.

The Tri-State Tornado of March 18, 1925, killed 69 students in several school buildings across three Midwest states; the highest single toll was the school in De Soto, Illinois, where 33 children were killed as walls collapsed during the tornado.

The school explosion in Bath, Michigan on May 18, 1927 killed 38 students, three teachers, and three others after the mentally deranged school board treasurer wired dynamite under the school building, causing the explosion and killing himself.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:46 | 3064285 Rastadamus
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:38 | 3064566 Global Hunter
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"every time I see Babylon my blood runs cold"

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:47 | 3064289 realtick
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Who has more credibility at this point? mainstream media or @ComfortablySmug

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:48 | 3064296 Rustysilver
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As of 3:45 PM EST. 20 children, 6 adults and 1 shooter. That's from CT state police spokesman. Secondary scene has also a shooting.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:49 | 3064304 Sands8oo
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The worst part of all of this is that this was COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE if this country was committed to a stronger police presence, greater surveillance, and tighter gun control laws.

/sarc off

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:28 | 3064513 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Right.  Cops cost money.  But I'm sure all the T-Pubs wil be happy to chip in a few bucks.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:52 | 3064314 Monedas
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That we are still wasting  blood and money in Afghanistan .... when the Arab Spring is so much more cost effective .... is proof that Frank Marshall Davis Jr. (Obama) is a CIA "Red Diaper" baby ! That's also why Obama is covering up CIA fuck up in Benghazi !

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:55 | 3064341 hugovanderbubble
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My condolences from Spain to the families affected


Sad world.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:59 | 3064364 dexter_morgan
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Not to get in to pro or anti gun control stuff, but what makes me wonder is what is different the last 40 or 50 years than the time prior to that in our nation. Guns have always been part of our culture, in fact they were mandatory if you lived on the frontier as protection from danger of man and beast. So the fact that guns exist and are widely available isn't different, but these mass shooting are something relatively new. I've never heard anyone give a good answer to why this is happening in these modern times, as opposed to prior epochs of this nations history.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:02 | 3064387 hazek
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Were there always gun free zones? I think that's what changed. You used to be able to carry and be able to protect yourself anywhere. Or?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:08 | 3064421 dexter_morgan
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I have heard it said that an armed society is a polite society. What you say is true enough, criminals and crazies are like water - they follow the path of least resistance so they would be more likely to wreak their havoc in those places where they are likely to encounter no resistance, but there must be more to it societally than that.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:37 | 3064554 hazek
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You could be right. There's no question the society in general is less and less taught of or concerned with certain values as it's faced with an ever bigger and bigger government i.e. a group of thugs focing people to follow their arbitrary rules and robbing them. That's the other thing that drastically changed in the time period you mentioned.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:51 | 3064623 SgtShaftoe
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Read taleb's new book antifragility.  I think you'll find the answer there.  

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