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Recent History Of Escalating Mass Shootings In The US

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As the following summary by the New York Daily News shows, both the frequency and severity of recent mass shootings in the US (and globally) have been getting bigger and more acute.  Bring on the discussions as to why this is occuring in our day and age.

Oak Creek, Wis.: A white supremacist shoots six people and a responding policeman at a Sikh temple before shooting himself in the head in August 2012.

Aurora, Colo.: Lone gunman kills 12 and injures 58 at a July 2012 screening of “The Dark Knight Rises.”

Oakland, Calif.: A former student at a Christian college fatally shoots seven people and injures three in April 2012.

Copley Township, Ohio: A man in a family dispute uses his handgun to shoot and kill his girlfriend and six others in August 2011.

Geneva, Ala.: Eleven victims, ages 18 months to 74 years old, are killed by a lone gunman in a violent family feud in March 2009.

Omaha, Neb.: A 19-year-old man shoots nine people at a department store in December 2007 before cops kill him.

Blacksburg, Va.: A student at Virginia Tech kills 32 classmates and wounds 25 before committing suicide in April 2007.

Red Lake, Minn.: A 16-year-old boy kills 11 people, including his grandfather and his grandfather’s girlfriend, in a shooting spree in March 2005.

Columbus, Ohio: A deranged fan shoots a Pantera guitarist at a concert as he performs onstage, then fires at fans, killing four people in December 2004.

Wash., D.C.: Two deranged snipers go on a spree, killing 10 people around D.C. and Virginia in Oct. 2002.

Columbine, Colo.: Two senior students invade their school in April 1999, killing 12 students and one teacher and injuring 21, before committing suicide.

Killeen, Texas: An unemployed man drives a truck through a packed cafeteria and fatally shoots 23 people and injures 20 before killing himself in October 1999.

Jacksonville, Fla.: A man angry over a repossessed car storms into the agency in June 1990 and over two days shoots 11 of its 86 employees before killing himself.


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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:04 | 3063978 EscapeKey
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The solution to this is clearly to increase the police state, and not in any way shape or form try to stop blatant corruption and crony capitalism. </sarc>

Sadly, this will OBVIOUSLY be used to ramp up the surveillance state.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:07 | 3063994 john39
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was this killing a ritual? some odd things to consider:

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:20 | 3064041 vast-dom
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Children stabbed in attack at Chinese school   Police say nearly two dozen children injured in central China province of Henan by knife-wielding villager


ps and thank you tyler et. al for removing the hateful vitriol of previous posters. i tolerate a lot, but this racism here on ZH is a bit out of control, esp in light of these tragedies.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:27 | 3064146 billwilson
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:33 | 3064194 trav777
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where is the Wisconsin Mall shooting?  You know, from last month?

Oh, you don't know...wasn't hyped by the media.  Gee, wonder why that was.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:39 | 3064247 MachoMan
Fri, 12/14/2012 - 21:04 | 3065252 imaginalis
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Similar tragedy here


These things happen in other countries too

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:48 | 3066166 DaveyJones
Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:31 | 3064182 Randall Cabot
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 "Bring on the discussions as to why this is occuring in our day and age."

It should be obvious to anyone with even a few functioning brain cells that forced multiculturalism causes confusion about identity for some, and that can lead to alienation. In other words, maulticulturalism is a psy op.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:34 | 3064196 Flakmeister
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Don't you have a cave to go crawl off into?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:38 | 3064994 sessinpo
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For shits and giggles, I will respond to your troll post by giving you one. All the caves are filled with your feces as you aren't even smart enough to shit outside.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:54 | 3065219 Flakmeister
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You really have to do better than that...

So why don't you run along, find a quiet little corner and fist yourself...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:34 | 3064202 trav777
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happens in China too tho

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:45 | 3065517 Acorn10012
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Trav is back on ZH? This is 2012, right? At first, I thought I pulled up a thread from 2011.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:39 | 3064236 CommunityStandard
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Let me see if I can rub my few functioning brain cells together to understand you.  Are you saying I can't hang out with whoever I choose to hang out with because I may become "confused about my identity?"  Can you simply not force anything on me, multiculturalism or segregation included?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:09 | 3064686 Randall Cabot
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You obviously are confused about your identity as it is quite evident that you don't have much of one.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:00 | 3064372 Akira.
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It is a strong identification with culture and heritage that causes confusion about identity. Travel far and learn the minds of others and you will see that they are not much different from you. Do you not think you would be dancing around drum circles if you were born in Africa, or breaking the windows of synagogues had you been born a German in the early 20th century? People arrive at conclusions through logic based on prior experiences. Understand that only circumstance separates you from killers like these and be thankful that you were born under circumstances that make you who you are today. Not that I am trying to ignore the role of free will. Indeed one of the reasons for massacres like these is we've taught people that they are just machines motivated solely by pleasure. Step back and realize you are human beings. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:11 | 3064691 Randall Cabot
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"It is a strong identification with culture and heritage that causes confusion about identity."

That's the dumbest post I've seen here today.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:41 | 3065005 sessinpo
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And as we learn the facts that the shooter had mental issues, your post gets thrown out the door.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 16:38 | 3069146 Sparkey
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Any Shooter or every shooter, which ever has, Primi faci "Mental" issues,

Didn't I read where his Mother was one of the victims? The search for casuality should begin at home!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:12 | 3065094 ZeroAvatar
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It's called TMRITFCS, or "Too Many Rats in the Fukin Cage" Syndrome.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:35 | 3064980 sessinpo
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I'll take the down arrow hit on this one. I'm no coward. I welcome the freedom of expression, even from those that are considered vitriol. That is a matter of opinion. At any given time, if you make a statement that someone else disagrees with, you are depending on someone else to decide what is hateful and that is a very bad path to go - the path of government control.


So for that - I give you a down arrow. Discussion should always be open with opposing views. That includes racism. And I will state I am a minority. I want people to expose themselves for what they are and you can't do that if you shut them up.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:09 | 3064010 jowenchrist
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We'll all be safe again when the drones are deployed in our airspace 24/7. Coming soon.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:47 | 3064295 CH1
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Government is always opposed to the free human will. In our time, it is obliterating the functions of human will.

A guess: These people choose big weapons and easy targets so they can express their will in the most visible way before they check out.

Not that I can prove any of this.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 02:13 | 3065772 Bruce Flea
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Actually, governments ENCOURAGE free will. They watch over us, and care so much about us they blunt our scissors just so we don't hurt ourselves playing:)


Think of it like "free range" cattle. One of these days, that "free range" cow will be a belt, a pair of shoes, and an aged ribeye.


Sat, 12/15/2012 - 10:53 | 3066172 CH1
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Try to exercise your will over paying the hundreds of taxes and you'll see what I mean.

Or exercise your will regarding profesional regulation, or raw milk, or traffic lights at 2 am, or growing food on your property, or, or, or.

You get the point. There are 80,000 pages of regs, and every one of them forbids an act of will.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:08 | 3063981 nope-1004
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Sick ass world.  Takes a real tough man to mow down elementary kids.  CHILDREN SHOULD BE OFF LIMITS, PERIOD.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:10 | 3064022 LawsofPhysics
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Many lines have already been crossed, we will reap what we sow and moral hazard has remained unchecked for quite some time now.  Don't worry, the laws of Nature and physics seem to always provide some real consequences for bad behavior in the end.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:19 | 3064087 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Bad Behavers in a system may take on various forms. The law of conservation of Bad Behavers states that Bad Behavers may neither be created nor destroyed. Therefore the sum of all the Bad Behavers in the system is a constant.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:41 | 3064253 MachoMan
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I think that's total fucking nonsense...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:49 | 3064307 Flakmeister
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Yeah, but given some of the other crap flying around re: the shooting, I'd say "it really brought the thread together"....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:13 | 3064039 fonzannoon
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This is fuckin sickening. What is even sicker is after a few days it will be just another incident. Everyone will become numb to it like everything else.

William Somerset: I just don't think I can continue to live in a place that embraces and nurtures apathy as if it was virtue.
David Mills: You're no different. You're no better.
William Somerset: I didn't say I was different or better. I'm not. Hell, I sympathize; I sympathize completely. Apathy is the solution. I mean, it's easier to lose yourself in drugs than it is to cope with life. It's easier to steal what you want than it is to earn it. It's easier to beat a child than it is to raise it. Hell, love costs: it takes effort and work.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:26 | 3064145 kito
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no fonz, as you said earlier, it certainly wont be just another incident for the politicians who will chew further into the flesh of american liberties.........this happened in the tri state area......lots and lots of influential people living in this area.......this one may be the one that puts the police state over the top

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:34 | 3064192 fonzannoon
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i do think big changes are coming. I just mean what people accept as society will be nothing like it used to be.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:36 | 3064218 john39
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this will keep happening until they get the gun control laws and police state fully in place.  sick, but true.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 22:15 | 3065457 Transformer
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There are only three things standing in the way of the NWO, and complete totalitarian control of the planet.

they are:

4-500 million civilian owned guns in America

The internet

The upheaval in the gold and silver markets

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:48 | 3064305 Chip
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Thats what disturbs me. After Columbine it was all people talked about. Already no one talks about the mall shooting in Portland just this week to say nothing of the Tech shooting, etc. I think people have given up on the idea that anything can be done to prevent this sort of thing, much like 9/11 etc. Lots of gold and gun lovers on this board of course but I dont' think mowing down a bunch of mallgoers or kindergarterners falls anywhere under the umbrella of "civil liberties". 

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 16:54 | 3069187 Sparkey
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The massive unending coverage is conditioning people to accept these things as, just one more thing we can do nothing about, reinforcing the populations sense of helpless and hopelessness as they watch a Tsunami of disfunctionality flooding their way! (It also desensitizes people eventually outrage fades, surplanted bt acceptence; there is nothing I can do about Anything anyway, and it is `Just` TV! If you arn't happy with what you're watching, change the channel, change your life, get some new shows, Get with the program and get happy!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:36 | 3064215 trav777
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...*except when they are "collateral damage"

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:06 | 3063988 Bagbalm
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We had a school massacre in Bath MI in the 1920s - nothing new really. People want to feel safe, but you aren't, nowhere, no time. I wonder how many who home school do so for physical safety as a reason partial or unarticulated.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:32 | 3064190 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Home Schoolers do so for religious safety at least partially or unarticulated.  They especially want to protect their children from the Devil, who always lurks in public and private places.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:43 | 3064274 CH1
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Yeah, I guess they don't give the first shit about their kids' educations.

Yeah, /sarc

Home schoolers produce better people.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:50 | 3064315 TPTB_r_TBTF
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I am sure the parents give the first shit to quality of education and the second shit is for protection from the Devil which would of course produce better people.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:42 | 3065007 Cathartes Aura
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plenty of home schoolers that eschew religious training.

also many alternative schools that avoid cultural trainings.

have yet to see any evidence that removing children from the system is harm-full. . .

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:06 | 3063989 PUD
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Ban men...seems to be the common denominator 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:35 | 3064201 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Give the men more pussy, and they wonT get so frustrated and go off the deep end so often.  Put out bitch.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:37 | 3064223 trav777
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being a man is already basically illegal.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:45 | 3065011 Cathartes Aura
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and what are the defining characteristics of "being a man" that are being made "basically illegal" trav?

what are the cultural definitions of "being a man" that make "man" recognisable currently?

what are the common traits?

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 17:23 | 3069243 Sparkey
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Real men don't beat their Wives and children for fun, not even when they enjoy it a little bit! They only do it when they really deserve a beating, less back talk in the homes of "Real Men"! That is one thing to look for when you're hunting for "Real" men!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:47 | 3064827 CH1
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New policy: Everyone monitored and caged!

Oh, wait...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:07 | 3063992 duo
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BTW, you don't need assault weapons.

Man kills 44, including 38 children, in 1927. Bath, MI.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:43 | 3064271 MachoMan
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I remember a story my grandfather told me of kids that shot up his rural school with a tommy gun...  albeit at night.  Being going on for a long time...  it's just that hype and sensitivity to the issue are only now hitting fever pitch.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:07 | 3063993 A. Magnus
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I think if you showed these figures right next to a chart showing the approval and distribution of SSRI drugs in the general population you would show a VERY close correlation...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:42 | 3064266 TPTB_r_TBTF
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I think if you showed these figures right next to a chart showing the approval and distribution of tablet PCs in the general population you would show a VERY close correlation...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:08 | 3063997 firstdivision
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Dear World,

If you ever find yourself depressed, please kill yourself and not innocent children.

Thanks In Advance,

All Rational Human-beings

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:47 | 3064294 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Dear Rational Human-beings,

If you ever find your innocent [sic] children behaving, then i might not get so depressed.

Thanks in Advance

The World


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:54 | 3064336 MachoMan
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Dear World,

If you ever find yourself depressed, please get help and do not kill any children.

Thanks In Advance,

All Rational Human-beings



Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:40 | 3064790 smoot27
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killing themselves is just as efficient

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:39 | 3064791 smoot27
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killing themselves is just as efficient

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:07 | 3063998 DCFusor
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Create a situation where many people feel they have nothing to lose, and this is what you get.

This was the precondition for many idiotic episodes in history.  I'll invoke Godwin's law, even -

Or how about starving a whole country via currency manipulation.  It always ends with violence.

Now, make it easy by making sure there are a lot of places and situations where it's not legal to defend yourself - much less someone else.  Claiming self-defense is admitting to a homicide, after all, and now we go to court to see if it was "justified". 

Oh, let's go ahead and ban guns.  Look how well that worked with drugs, or alchol.  Gave us criminal organizations - made the worst of us wealthy and powerful.  Let's try again, maybe the results will be different this time...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:07 | 3063999 dobermangang
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You don't need a gun to cause a massacre.  A dollars worth of gas can kill a lot of people too.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:08 | 3064004 dick cheneys ghost
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Most of society's ills can be blamed on the rothschilds and the rockefellers

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:12 | 3064008 Cognitive Dissonance
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Even if one does not believe it is possible one must at least consider the correlation between the rise in school shootings and the rise of (violent) in home video games over the last 15-20 years, even further back if you consider electronic video arcade games.

There may or may not be causation, but it is something to think about. The conditioning of the mind works mostly via saturation and repetition.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:15 | 3064060 docj
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Agreed. Violent movies have been around forever (the "gangster" movies of the 30's, for example, featured plenty of violence - though it was far, far more "cartoonish" than the vivid stuff of, say, The Untouchables (DeNiro version) and Scarface). But in-home video games - where you can play GTA and Saints Row - are a relatively new phenomena.


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:38 | 3064235 trav777
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GTA San Andreas was an awesome game tho

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:52 | 3064330 Chip
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Agree totally and as the parent of a 7 yr old I am disturbed by the overt violence in video games--glorifying cop killing, etc. to the point you wonder how these things are legal. But the argument that root cause is there is to me similiar to suggesting that XXX material leads to rape--not so. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:50 | 3065022 Cathartes Aura
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anything that repetively debases another human will eventually cause mental dissonance that dis-respects others, actions to follow.

working as intended, of course.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:19 | 3064083 Shell Game
Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:22 | 3064095 funthea
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Since we are entertaining the realm of "post hoc ergo propter hoc", why not explore the fact that only in the last 15 years have we had "facebook", "myspace", "Justen Beaber", "Bigest looser", and "New kids on the block".

Something to think about.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:39 | 3064197 Cognitive Dissonance
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Just because I (seriously) consider something doesn't mean it's valid or that I believe it. If nothing else, considering something considered outlandish or even ridiculous exercises a few brain cells, something most violent video games do not.

Even if my thought process is faulty or misguided at least I am attempting to think for myself rather than checking with the TV (or my political party/religious denomination) to find out what I should be thinking. I will never move out of my mental rut unless I try (and fail) many times. I consider myself lucky that I continue to fail spectacularly. :)

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:58 | 3064359 MachoMan
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But for the fact that many of the perps have never played a violent video game...  The reason many of the younger perps have played violent videogames is because they're incredibly popular...  they've also looked at porn, stole some liquor out of their parents' cabinet, and tried to play doctor with a classmate or two... 

I'll take the opposite stance...  that violent videogames actually suppress the urge to act out in a violent fashion.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:08 | 3064422 Cognitive Dissonance
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I understand your point. But they don't look at porn, drink from the parent's liquor closet or try to play doctor with a classmate for hours and hours on end, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year.

Like I least consider the saturation and repetitive issues of (sometimes obsessive) (often violent) video game play. I've read some interesting articles that point out the changes in the child's brain during and after long term video game play. Not sure what to make of that info, but it is out there to read and consider.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:26 | 3064503 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Even if one does not believe it is possible one must at least consider the correlation between the rise in school shootings and the rise of ex-hippie parents over the last 15-20 years, even further back if you consider the decadence of the 50s.

There may or may not be causation, but it is something to think about. The conditioning of the young mind works mostly via saturation and repetition from parental "guidance" or rather lack of.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:37 | 3064561 blunderdog
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    the changes in the child's brain during and after long term video game play

ALL long-term recurring exposure to stimuli changes the brain.  We're still dealing with teevee.  The whole world is one big ongoing uncontrolled experiment in human behavior.

It's definitely worth tracking what different stimuli correlate with, but the more you learn about the way the brain works, the more difficult it is to maintain belief in stuff like free will and morality and cognition.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:26 | 3064745 Cognitive Dissonance
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"It's definitely worth tracking what different stimuli correlate with, but the more you learn about the way the brain works, the more difficult it is to maintain belief in stuff like free will and morality and cognition."

Roger that and well stated. This recognition becomes ever clearer the deeper we travel down into the rabbit hole of our mind. We are not what we think we are, and what we think we are has been carefully conditioned into us beginning with the regurgitated world view conditioning of our parents who lovingly train us before handing us over to the state.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:45 | 3064813 blunderdog
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The best any individual can really do is know himself.  If nothing else, a person can learn to minimize the damage they inflict on others.  It's not something most folks ever manage to do, though--there are a LOT of distractions out there.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 04:26 | 3065866 Urban Redneck
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The USA isn't the only nation with a high gun ownership rate and easy access to firearms.

Violent TV & Video Games are not unique to the US, they are a global trend.

Desensitization to violence by experiencing violence is a widespread.

The rise of insane mass killings (particularly those targeting schools) are a US & Chinese phenomenon.


Even ignoring China, the issue would be incredibly complex- nationally both the parenting and educational mechanisms are largely dysfunctional, but the incidents seem to occur only outside of economically disadvantaged & crime ridden communities, which ironically have better access to the so-called "mental healthcare system" ...



Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:10 | 3064433 fuu
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Thank you.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:05 | 3064404 aerojet
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Don't forget all the mood-enhancing or mood-stabilizing drugs available in recent years, too.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:31 | 3064524 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Good point.  Had it not been for all those happy drugs, a lot more shootings woulda taken place!

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:22 | 3064103 LawsofPhysics
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Statistically, the world was a lot more violent before the electronic age.  But then again, you had to actually fight for your meals back then too.  Sometimes even kill your dinner.  Yeah, I agree CD, let's go back to killing our food on a regular basis.  Might be surprised how much more respect for life the youth would have or perhaps people could start raising the children for a change.  Novel concept I know.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:43 | 3064233 Sophist Economicus
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:07 | 3064410 fuu
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Rap music too, don't forget the rap.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:33 | 3064542 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Yep, that is another good point.  Had it not been for rap music as an outlet for the youth all these years, even more killings woulda occured.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:25 | 3064502 three chord sloth
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Add to the mix:

a. The rise of the anti-hero in popular media.

b. A nationwide (indeed worldwide) mass media, who will broadcast the name and face of the killer 24/7 for the next week.

To a disturbed, alienated young man the lure of instant, eternal fame is intoxicating. Why just quietly end your own life, when you can go out like this kid, and be a monster to the folks you hate? The template is Columbine. And the media, who ought to know by now that notoriety is the goal of these killers, just can't help themselves as they spray his name and face on every screen in the country... ensuring it all happens over and over again.

You wanna cut down on this? Let 'em kill and die in anonymity. Eventually, the copycats will stop.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:47 | 3065017 sessinpo
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Yes, very interesting. And in that same time period we saw a rise in various medications.


Hell, we saw a rise in government size, we even saw a rise in LED lights. I know I'm being an ass. I actually do agree with you in a way but not as you suggest. I do believe it is a cultural problem. But violence in games and movies is a SYMPTOM. In other words, you are not addressing the real problem is why we have those violent games and movies and why society is buying them.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:13 | 3064025 bankerbackbacon
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Here is what all the little liberal gun control maggots don't understand.

Take it from a Canadian. We have gun control and now only the criminals have guns, and people still get shot.

It would not surprise me at all, if Obama sends false flag suiciders every month into random places to shoot up kindergardens until the American people are stripped of guns and then Homeland Security can start the genocide or encarceration of its people.

Guns are for when the King of England gets in your face. You blow their inbred monarchist heads off.

Kill the klepto-bankers.



Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:29 | 3064161 billwilson
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Fuck off. Canada is a ton safer than the US ... And most of the guns come from the US illegally. If the Yanks got their house in order we would have a lot fewer problems up here.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:41 | 3064251 trav777
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I've only told you 50,000 times where the US's crime comes from.  It's from people you don't have in Canada, fool.

2 demographics account for 85% of our crime nationally, and in most cities, nearly 100%.

Subtract that out and we look better than Europe and crime, school performance, QoL, everything.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:48 | 3064302 jtg
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Unfortunately Canada and the UK are working very hard to modify their demographics to catch up with the US.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:06 | 3064402 Flakmeister
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Trav, you would be very surprised by racial demographics of Montreal and Halifax...

Then again the last mass shooting in Montreal was by a mysoginist from Algeria....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:43 | 3065006 Papasmurf
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2 demographics account for 85% of our crime nationally, and in most cities, nearly 100%


Did you mean bankers and congress, or were you referring to crimes of violence?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:48 | 3064298 Sophist Economicus
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Hey Bill,


I know libs hate data, but here's some for ya anyway....


Total Crime Rate/100,000 people

US: 3465 per 100,000
Canada: 6406 per 100,000

Violent Crime rate:

US: 429 per 100,000
Canada: 1314 per 100,000

2009 crime stats (change from 2008)

Murders -7.3%
Robberies - 8%
Aggravated Assault - 4.2%


Murders -1%
Robberies -2%
Aggravated Assault -1%



Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:09 | 3064434 Flakmeister
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Now there is a fine bit of cherry picking, if not completely fabricated bullshit...

Canada has 3 times the violent crime rate of the U.S..... hee, hee, hee.... that is fucking rich...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:51 | 3064624 blunderdog
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If I punch a guy in a NYC bar and the cops ever even show up, they're not likely to want to do the paperwork for a "violent crime."  It usually requires an ambulance or a clear power-differential for us to want to start braceleting hosers, eh?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:44 | 3064810 Sophist Economicus
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Sorry, t'is the data. I've listed my sources. Go ahead and list yours. Really easy to do. Just do a search engine query for Canada .vs. US violent crime or even Murder statistics.

I'll be waiting


Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:06 | 3064851 bankerbackbacon
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Don't bother Sophist Economicus, the mass media white noise has their ear. People don't understand that money printing, guns, metals, referendums, and the right to free assembly are all fundamental human rights according to common sense.

The secret service can still deliver guns and drugs to the black market. Criminals can still obtain them like they do. If I have to explain why they do that (predominately to minority groups) then I suppose you're lost Bill.

Do you see the slippery slope yet Bill?

Liberal Canadians want their ass wiped, I actually know people who like taxes. Have you ever heard of such idiocy?I have to coexist with these numbnuts.

The more you're enemy flies brain scanning drones over your head and the less you are prepared with the right to protect your kids, the more you submit your will.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 19:26 | 3064903 bankerbackbacon
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Thanks Flak, when you factor in Canada has the same population as the greater NY area,  that number sure seems different doesn't it? Especially when you look at the fact that honest Americans are armed to the teets and decent Canadians are like cows in a barn.

People can't compare Canada to the US because there are no declassified documents showing that the Canadian government (which is not next to Mexico) has a history of oppressing minority groups and feeding them drugs and creating the climate of poverty.

Where do we go from there when we discuss why we should have Tyrannical (All US Presidents since Kennedy and after Garfield via polital donation and bribery or worse Zionism) Government be the only "citizen" armed?

The founding fathers warned against bankers and sheeple.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:58 | 3065228 Flakmeister
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A goodly number of Canucks I know have firearms...

The difference is that the urban environments are not dumping grounds for cheap firearms...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:23 | 3065130 bgbarrelridr
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"If you look at the murders per capita, the only meaningful way to look at this, the US is not even among the first 37 countries. See at this same site:".

This is from the same source as you quoted. Talk about chery-picking, lol

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:08 | 3065024 sessinpo
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And you refute that with what data and facts? Oh yea, I pick on you for a reason and it's so easy.

Yea, I know your provided a link. What a joke. Even Canada's government website says you are wrong.

2011 Canada reports 598 homicides which doesn't jive with your linked statistics (143 murders by juveniles and 144 with firearms). Additionally, Canada's official numbers show a higher overall 200,000 plus in total crimes compared to your link

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:46 | 3064282 Ness.
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Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in Amerika - unfortunately this many people get shot every weekend less than 1/2 mile from the POTUS' home.

Only the cops, criminals and politicians can carry guns (they're all criminals but you get my drift)




Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:45 | 3064778 New World Chaos
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Here are some false flags involving shootings:  Fast and Furious, the Batman shooting, and the Sikh Temple shooting.  There are probably other recent ones.  Keep an eye on Alex Jones.  He is already talking about a second shooter (a common theme); he will surely have more to say in the days to come.

Agglomerated reposts from summer:


The Batman shooter looks like an impostor.  In particular, his nose is
a lot different than the nose of the real James Holmes.  He also had
accomplices, but the cops are pushing the lone-nut story as they
always do.  James Holmes's father wrote an algorithm which tracked
trillions of dollars to offshore accounts and proved how global
manipulation of interest rates works.  He was due to testify to
Congress on his findings.  Now that his son has been legally
kidnapped, he is lying low.
The nurse who treated the Batman victims and "saw everything" died in
a suspicious drowning (plus more batman links):


Similarities between the Batman and Sikh Temple shootings:

There were accomplices and the media ignores this because it doesn't fit the conclusions they are herding us towards.

The police investigations are actually coverups which help push the official story.

The victims were chosen for a high probability of being disarmed (by theatre policy in the Batman case- though the media will never tell you that the body count was high due to a LACK of guns).  No self-defense --> high body count --> more emotional impact to sell the story.

The Batman shooter had been worked over by military shrinks; the Sikh shooter worked for US Army psyops.

The canned script comes out immediately- Fascism will protect your children!  Never mind that fascism has historically killed thousands of times more children than lone nutters, but thanks to public education, logic and history are not Americans' strong points.

The father of the Batman shooter was due to testify to Congress on LIBOR manipulation and trillions in offshore accounts:

One of the Sikh victims was the father of the guy who made the documentary "Sirius", which is about free energy and UFO coverups:

There was obviously considerable planning, and yet the MSM would have us believe that this was just some hateful redneck who said "All ragheads look the same to me" and so didn't even learn the basics about Sikhs (they are hippies).


Most of the mind control the puppetmasters use on the little people is
via broad mechanisms such as media, education, cultural conditioning,
fear, false flags, economic incentives, dividing us against each
other, and problem-reaction-solution.  This is because people behave
like atoms in a gas.  Controlling the individual is difficult, because
there are way too many microscopic levers and variables.  But the herd
has well-established emotional buttons and controlling them is pretty
much deterministic.  Even the determined individual finds it difficult
to move against the flow of the herd.  Close one valve, open another,
apply heat here, and the lemmings can be easily led to stampede off
the most profitable cliff.  They can also be mind-controlled into
forgetting the reasons why they went off the cliff, and therefore,
profits are repeatable.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:47 | 3064822 blunderdog
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Space aliens.  Don't worry, it'll all be over next week.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:12 | 3064026 azengrcat
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I see a correlation; Men

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:16 | 3064061 LawsofPhysics
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Might want to go visit some of the surviving members of the faculty at the University if Alabama, Huntsville.  What about the numerous examples of women killing there own children.  Careful azengrcat, women tend to kill children, men tend to kill other men.  At 24, this guy was still a kid and certainly no man.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:11 | 3064028 A. Magnus
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"Even if one does not believe one must at least consider the correlation between the rise in school shootings and the rise of (violent) in home video games over the last 15-20 years, even further back if you consider electronic video arcade games."

That would fly if all the shooters were of your typical game-playing demographics; that would take a LOT of work to verify for all those shooters. There is ONE commonality to all of them (besides gender and weapon preference), and that is the use of SSRI drugs by all of these shooters...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:16 | 3064064 bankerbackbacon
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Video games shmideo games.

I see a rise in mental illness, where drones are okay because Americans don't get killed as much.

Where silent approval of genocide and apartheid rule the land.

Moral decay is robust, video games are just another example.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:14 | 3064043 A. Magnus
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"I see a correlation; Men."

That's a specious argument - Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir were all heads of state who started wars that got tens of thousands killed. Should we ban women from office then?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:38 | 3064239 object_orient
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 Should we ban women from office then?


Yes. Men too. and all variants in between.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:29 | 3064518 Panafrican Funk...
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Per Madeline Albright, 500K Iraqi children dead = "worth it".  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:47 | 3064602 noob
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Rahm Emanuel on the Opportunities of Crisis
(“you never want a serious crisis to go to waste….”)

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:15 | 3064044 WTFx10
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Look at the TV programing, Death, dismemberment, blood ,guts and gun killing nightly.  Just don't show a TIT ,PUSSY or dick. Never show actual love making because it is dirty porn. But they will show all the killings  they can think of because THATS ENTERTAINMENT. 

Watching reruns of Amerikas Funniest Home videos and they block out baby butts? WTF Who are the heads of the media networks? Where the fuck are their minds at? Whose controlling what they deem as entertainment? They are the fucking terrorists.

Lets put the blame on inanimate objects because

    “Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with a seat missing, but it hurts.”

                                      -Naked Gun

so its better to deflect the blame to some other cause.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:19 | 3064462 aerojet
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I am pretty sick of how sick tv has gotten--all the dead body shows, murder, murder, murder, and untold mayhem, a lot of extremely graphic now.  I had to stop watching.  I caught a recent episode of "The Walking Dead" was horrified by the amount of graphic violence on that show.  Who watches this crap?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:32 | 3064535 Panafrican Funk...
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Yep, all the cop/crime shows, glorification of gangs, glorification of thoroughly debauched youth, shit, I have a tough time watching the local news.  Violence is sometimes a necessary evil, but it should be rare, and with a heavy heart.  The media we're exposed to seems to advocate for behavior that a common monkey would find appalling. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:14 | 3064052 kito
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ray dalio says relax, no biggie, all part of the beautiful deleveraging, a little printing here, a little austerity there, a bit of social unrest.....its all ok......the overindebted, overmedicated, overfed, oversurveilled, overconsumed socitey will never be over........ray dalio says so,  he says"patience......its just economic cycles......look at my charts"..........

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:17 | 3064072 fonzannoon
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Yeah exactly. I think Kyle Bass was concerned the "social fabric" may get torn just a bit.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:15 | 3064058 Jason T
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Prescription drugs .. it at least needs to be looked into.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:16 | 3064062 Nothing To See Here
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Insanity grows along with the State. It is a symptom of our Age. As self-responsibility disappears and is replaced by expectations of entitlements and dependency, society slowly decays, and people who find themselves not having what they feel they deserve are losing their mind more and more, as they fail to find answers to their "misfortune".

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:17 | 3064068 I Am Not a Copp...
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<=== This is a result of the overuse of psych meds in the country

<=== This is a result of global warming

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:40 | 3064074 Mercury
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Anomie, social and cultural collapse.

My dad used to take his gun to his Connecticut high school along with dozens of other kids every day and fire government subsidized ammunition at the school range.  And nothing like this ever happened.

No one is on the same page anymore, there are few common values across huge swaths of the population and an entire generation has now been raised on a constant stream of shallow, nihilistic, de-humanizing garbage...which apparently makes some outlier types more than a little dangerous.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:41 | 3064261 kaiserhoff
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Haven't thought about it in years.  We had a high school ROTC program, and a rifle range under the stage of the gym.  No one was the least bit concerned. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:52 | 3064331 Mercury
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This wasn't even ROTC, just the school shooting team. It was the height of the Cold War and the government wanted a nation of marksmen.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 20:19 | 3065111 VelvetHog
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When we where in high school we used to goose hunt in the morning before classes started.  When we arrived at school we brought out shotguns inside and stored them in our lockers until we where done with classes for the day.  If we had left our often wet guns in the truck they would have rusted.  There was never an incident of any kind concerning our practice of bringing our guns to school.  No one even asked us about it.  Big deal. 


Guns are NOT the problem.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:21 | 3064082 subqtaneous
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What's to discuss?  We live in a culture and society of instant celebrity—just add water.

Anyone (mentally disturbed or otherwise) craving attention can get it, and the more outrageous the means, the better.

Until we grow past this Warholian phase we're in, it'll continue and get progressively worse still.  What is the limit we can tolerate?  An event of this magnitude?

Hopefully so.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:55 | 3064340 object_orient
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We'll grow out of it in around 15 minutes.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 18:22 | 3064454 subqtaneous
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Something tells me that a few weeks of lip service, some candlelight vigils and a nationwide benefit concert with a cast of thousands topped by McCartney singing Hey Jude isn't going to sweep this under the collective rug.

This is going to smolder for a long, long time, and maybe this is the tipping point for something either really terrible or something just the opposite.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:20 | 3064085 Shizzmoney
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Bring on the discussions as to why this is occuring in our day and age.

As Gerald Celente says: "When people lose everything; they lose IT"

No jobs; low incomes; bleak futures and a confused populace.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:23 | 3064109 jtg
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Many of the mass shooters were taking serotonin reuptake inhibitators. The open discussion of this problem has been supressed by the medical industry and practioners in the US. Instead, the discussion has been deflected onto it being a problem with gun ownership. The big dodo Obama opened his foul mouth again on gun ownership. Wouldn't you know it, he wants to again try to take our access to guns away? The problem is not gun ownership, it's the drugs the medical industry is giving to young people.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:24 | 3064130 Flakmeister
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Thats right, it is *never* the guns....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:46 | 3064284 jtg
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In 95% of the mass shootings in the US the culprit were taking serotonin reuptake inhibitor (ssris) drugs. Why don't you look into it on the web instead of using mindless sound bites? The danger of these drugs with young people has been known for years but the medical industry and people like you will not look into it.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:51 | 3064328 Flakmeister
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You go girl..... sounds like you have it all figured out..

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:39 | 3064440 fuu
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Those evil mind control guns.

In 2009 there were 310,000,000 non-military guns in America. In 2009 there were 10,000 gun deaths in America.

Back of the napkin math shows that 99.9967% of the guns in America did not kill anyone in 2009.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:24 | 3064495 aerojet
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The guns he used can't jump up and shoot people--they would be just as "happy" sitting in a safe or used for legal purposes.  They are not moral agents, but rather tools. 

I think the answer to these tragegies is to have armed volunteers available at the schools whenever children are present.  People who are ready to stop these violent idiots who only target the vulnerable.  We need to stop pretending like taking guns out of society will solve the problem of people snapping--we will stop them with force and put an end to these mindless slaughters. 

I would volunteer at my kids' school, if only I were allowed to do so by the nanny brigades.  And I won't miss and hit some innocents, so don't even start with that line of bullshit.  Put armed adults outside the vulnerable places and see whethere these drugged up little cowards still want to play.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 08:04 | 3065998 IrritableBowels
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:23 | 3064120 Flakmeister
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Damn, I'm fresh out of popcorn...

I put it down to reaping what you sow...

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:26 | 3064134 dobermangang
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It's interesting that the Daily News left out the shooting by a Palestinian American that killed 13 on an Army base.  It was in a "gun free zone" too, on a military base no less.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:26 | 3064143 blunderdog
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Seems simple enough to me.  Global economic depression increases stresses on everyone.  Folks are more likely to snap under increased stress.  More folks are snapping.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:29 | 3064165 billwilson
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Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:31 | 3064178 semperfi
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because we are turning in to wussy-assed sheep who are actually afraid to defend ourselves

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:37 | 3064219 Flakmeister
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I hear ya, I always send my 9 yo off to school with at least some Pepper spray...

She has trouble with the .32, maybe when her hands get a bit bigger...  

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:37 | 3064221 BrainDead
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Keep an eye out for the link the MSM talking heads are forbidden to speak of - PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS AND MASS SHOOTINGS.  It’s a good bet that days or week from now it will be quietly reveal that the shooter had been taking psychotropic drugs.

From the Citizens Commission on Human Rights International:

A simple Google search for “link shooter psychotropic drugs” reveals much

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:38 | 3064241 RSDallas
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A-D-D disorder and all of its cousins will go down in history as a tragically mis-guided and fatal attack on our youth and society.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:40 | 3064248 Agent P
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There are a lot of people in our society today who possess a dangerous combination of two traits: 1) they lack self-responsibility (they over-depend on others to move forward in life, and they almost always blame others when things don't go their way) and 2) they feel the need to have some sort of celebrity status (facebook, twitter, etc.).  When this type of person reaches his/her breaking point, it puts other people around them in danger.  Instead of looking within themselves to address their problems, they lash out and inflict pain and suffering on others.  Throw in the proportional response of media coverage to the severity of the event, and there is incentive for these troubled individuals to go over the top in seeking their revenge on society.

The part that scares me the most is a lot of people seem to fit this profile, and more and more of them are reaching their breaking points. 

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:41 | 3064264 infiniti
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Mass murder ain't new.


The number of murders and negligent manslaughters annually in the US is at 1960's levels. That's not the rate, that's the level. Our population has grown by 50% since then. Anybody know what the growth rate in guns has been over that time?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 16:44 | 3064277 1835jackson
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We are teaching our children that they are nothing more than modern apes. That there is no God. There are no 10 commandments. We are here by random chance. There are no consequences for breaking rules. You only get ONE life so do whatever you want because after you die that's it. It's ok to have sex before marriage. It's ok to abort the unborn. It's ok for a man and a man or a woman and woman to marry. The bible is irrelevant. To name just a few....

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:08 | 3064426 object_orient
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Amen! Everyone needs to know there is only one true faith: the Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism. I tell my kids every day not to make graven images, but they don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:19 | 3064470 Five8Charlie
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We are just modern apes.

There is no god.

We are here by random change.

There are no consequences for breaking the rule -if you are rich enough.

You do only get one life - don't screw it up.

The Bible is irrelevant - except for Ecclesiastes, particularly the 3rd chapter (" is God's gift that all should eat, drink, and take pleasure in their work").

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 17:43 | 3064584 1835jackson
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We are modern apes- Just as it requires faith to believe in God your view also requires faith.

There is no God- Got evidence to back that up?

There are no consequences for breaking the rules- Ask the rich man in hell about that who ignored Lazarus.

You do only get one life- according to the bible there is another life after this one....

The Bible is irrelevant - Thou shalt not kill....hmmm still seems relevant to me.



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