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Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome, And Some US Gun Facts

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Update: The focus now shifts to the mother, the first casualty of her son's murderous rampage, who was a "big, big gun fan" as the NYT explains, and who went target shooting with her children, one of whom had Asperger's.

From the NYT:

She was “a big, big gun fan” who went target shooting with her children, according to friends. She enjoyed craft beers, jazz and landscaping. She was generous to strangers, but also high-strung, as if she were holding herself together.

 

Nancy Lanza was the first victim in a massacre carried out on Friday by her son Adam Lanza, 20, who shot her dead with a gun apparently drawn from her own collection, then drove her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School, where he killed 26 people, 20 of them small children, officials said.

 

At craft beer tastings on Tuesday evenings, he recalled, she liked to talk about her gun collection.

 

“She had several different guns,” he said. “I don’t know how many. She would go target shooting with her kids.”

 

Law enforcement officials said they believed that the guns were acquired lawfully and registered.

 

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She was “a big, big gun fan,” he added on his Web site.

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As we reported last night, buried inside the NYT biopic of Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was arguably one of the most important missing pieces in the story, at least so far, which could provide clues into partially explaining yesterday's tragic loss of young life, namely that the 20 year old man suffered from Asperger Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism (two conditions which are being merged in the upcoming update of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) manual of mental disorders), which has been traditionally associated with social communication difficulties, including flat affect, and one which in some clinical studies has been shown to have a causal link to violence. In other words, in addition to the surge in the debate over national gun control and access limitations (ignoring that the perpetrator of the biggest school mass murder in US history - the Bath School disaster - used openly purchased dynamite and no guns, also ignoring that in the US there are roughly 300 million firearms), perhaps there should also be a broad discussion as to the risks of social misadoption of children with autism and other social and behavioral disorders.

From CBS/AP:

He was an honors student who lived in a prosperous neighborhood with his mother, a well-liked woman who enjoyed hosting dice games and decorating the house for the holidays.

 

Now Adam Lanza is suspected of killing his mother and then gunning down more than two dozen people, 20 of them children, at a Connecticut grade school before taking his own life.

 

The 20-year-old may have suffered from a personality disorder, law enforcement officials said.

 

The New York Times reported Saturday morning that several people told the newspaper that Lanza had Asperger’s syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism.

 

The Times reported Lanza did not have a Facebook page and did not pose for a high school yearbook picture.

 

He was described as socially awkward and was known in high school as “intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.”

 

Investigators were trying to learn as much as possible about Lanza and questioned his older brother, who is not believed to have any involvement in the rampage.

 

Lanza killed his mother at their home before driving her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School and — armed with at least two handguns — carried out the massacre, officials said.

 

A third weapon, a .223-caliber rifle, was found in the car, and more guns were found inside the school.

 

So far, authorities have not spoken publicly of any possible motive. Witnesses said the shooter didn’t utter a word.

 

Catherine Urso, who was attending a vigil Friday evening in Newtown, Conn., said her college-age son knew the killer and remembered him for his alternative style.

 

“He just said he was very thin, very remote and was one of the goths,” she said.

 

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Adam Lanza’s older brother, 24-year-old Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, N.J., was being questioned, a law enforcement official said. He told authorities that his brother was believed to suffer from a personality disorder, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record about the unfolding investigation.

 

The official did not elaborate, and it was unclear exactly what type of disorder he might have had.

 

Ryan Lanza had been extremely cooperative and was not under arrest or in custody, but investigators were still searching his computers and phone records. Ryan Lanza told law enforcement he had not been in touch with his brother since about 2010.

 

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Adam Lanza attended Newtown High School, and several local news clippings from recent years mention his name among the school’s honor roll students.

And while much needed insight into the shooter's abnormal mental state is critical before passing judgment, the reality is that Lanza - who may well have been mentally disturbed - should certainly not have had access to the arsenal of weapons he ultimately used in perpetrating yesterday's tragedy. The much debated question, of course, that is already emerging is whose responsibility is it to limit such access: that of the individual, that of the closest family members, or that of the state, and if it is the latter, then the question becomes one of practical enforceability in a country where the second amendment is deeply engrained in the popular psychology, and where there are nearly as many guns as people.

 

Some more facts and figures - without opinions - on US weapons from justfacts.com

Introductory Notes

This research is based upon the most recent available data in 2010. Facts from earlier years are cited based upon availability and relevance, not to slant results by singling out specific years that are different from others. Likewise, data associated with the effects of gun control laws in various geographical areas represent random, demographically diverse places in which such data is available.

Many aspects of the gun control issue are best measured and sometimes can only be measured through surveys,[1] but the accuracy of such surveys depends upon respondents providing truthful answers to questions that are sometimes controversial and potentially incriminating.[2] Thus, Just Facts uses such data critically, citing the best-designed surveys we find, detailing their inner workings in our footnotes, and using the most cautious plausible interpretations of the results.

Particularly, when statistics are involved, the determination of what constitutes a credible fact (and what does not) can contain elements of personal subjectivity. It is our mission to minimize subjective information and to provide highly factual content. Therefore, we are taking the additional step of providing readers with four examples to illustrate the type of material that was excluded because it did not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility.

 

General Facts

Firearms are generally classified into three broad types: (1) handguns, (2) rifles, and (3) shotguns.[3] Rifles and shotguns are both considered "long guns."

A semi-automatic firearm fires one bullet each time the trigger is pulled and automatically loads another bullet for the next pull of the trigger. A fully automatic firearm (sometimes called a "machine gun") fires multiple bullets with the single pull of the trigger.[4]

Ownership

As of 2009, the United States has a population of 307 million people.[5]

Based on production data from firearm manufacturers,[6] there are roughly 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States as of 2010. Of these, about 100 million are handguns.[7]

Based upon surveys, the following are estimates of private firearm ownership in the U.S. as of 2010:

   Households With a Gun  Adults Owning a Gun  Adults Owning a Handgun
Percentage  40-45%  30-34%  17-19%
Number  47-53 million  70-80 million  40-45 million

A 2005 nationwide Gallup poll of 1,012 adults found the following levels of firearm ownership:

Category

 Percentage Owning

a Firearm

Households  42%
Individuals  30%
Male  47%
Female  13%
White  33%
Nonwhite  18%
Republican  41%
Independent  27%
Democrat  23%

In the same poll, gun owners stated they own firearms for the following reasons:

Protection Against Crime  67%
Target Shooting  66%
Hunting  41%

 

Crime and Self-Defense

Roughly 16,272 murders were committed in the United States during 2008. Of these, about 10,886 or 67% were committed with firearms.[11]

A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 0.5% of households had members who had used a gun for defense during a situation in which they thought someone "almost certainly would have been killed" if they "had not used a gun for protection." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 162,000 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[12]

Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[13] [14] [15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun.[16]

Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]

A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[19]

A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[20]

A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]

• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"

• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"

• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"[22]

Click here to see why the following commonly cited statistic does not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility: "In homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost 3 times more likely to occur than in homes without guns."

 

Vulnerability to Violent Crime

At the current homicide rate, roughly one in every 240 Americans will be murdered.[23]

A U.S. Justice Department study based on crime data from 1974-1985 found:

• 42% of Americans will be the victim of a completed violent crime (assault, robbery, rape) in the course of their lives

• 83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime

• 52% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime more than once[24]

A 1997 survey of more than 18,000 prison inmates found that among those serving time for a violent crime, "30% of State offenders and 35% of Federal offenders carried a firearm when committing the crime."[25]

 

Right-to-Carry Laws

Right-to-carry laws permit individuals who meet certain "minimally restrictive" criteria (such as completion of a background check and gun safety course) to carry concealed firearms in most public places.[95] Concealed carry holders must also meet the minimum federal requirements for gun ownership as detailed above.

Each state has its own laws regarding right-to-carry and generally falls into one of three main categories:

1) "shall-issue" states, where concealed carry permits are issued to all qualified applicants

2) "may-issue" states, where applicants must often present a reason for carrying a firearm to an issuing authority, who then decides based on his or her discretion whether the applicant will receive a permit

3) "no-issue" states, where concealed carry is generally forbidden

As of January 2012:

40 states are shall-issue:

 Alaska  Arizona  Arkansas  Colorado
 Florida  Georgia  Idaho  Indiana
 Iowa  Kansas  Kentucky  Louisiana
 Maine  Michigan  Minnesota  Mississippi
 Missouri  Montana  Nebraska  Nevada
 New Hampshire  New Mexico  North Carolina  North Dakota
 Ohio  Oklahoma  Oregon  Pennsylvania
 Rhode Island  South Carolina  South Dakota  Tennessee
 Texas  Utah  Vermont  Virginia
 Washington  West Virginia  Wisconsin  Wyoming

9 states are may-issue:

 Alabama  California  Connecticut  Delaware
 Hawaii  Maryland  Massachusetts  New Jersey
 New York      

 

Accidents

In 2007, there were 613 fatal firearm accidents in the United States, constituting 0.5% of 123,706 fatal accidents that year.[120]

Fatal firearm accidents in 2007 by age groups:

Age Group Fatal Firearm Accidents
Raw number Portion of fatal accidents

from all causes

<1 yrs  1  0.1%
1-4 yrs  18  1.1%
5-9 yrs  20  2.1%
10-14 yrs  26  2.1%
15-24 yrs  155  1.0%
25-34 yrs  94  0.6%
35-44 yrs  91  0.5%
45-54 yrs  82  0.4%
55-64 yrs  57  0.5%
65+ yrs  69  0.2%

 

Non-Fatal

In 2007, there were roughly 15,698 emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents,[123] constituting 0.05% of 27.7 million emergency room visits for non-fatal accidents that year.[124]

These emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents resulted in 5,045 hospitalizations,[125] constituting 0.4% of 1.4 million non-fatal accident hospitalizations that year.[126]

 

Criminal Justice System

Nationwide in 2008, law enforcement agencies reported that 55% of aggravated assaults, 27% of robberies, 40% of rapes, and 64% of murders that were reported to police resulted in an alleged offender being arrested and turned over for prosecution.[26] [27]

Currently, for every 12 aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders committed in the United States, approximately one person is sentenced to prison for committing such a crime.[28] [29] [30]

A 2002 U.S. Justice Department study of 272,111 felons released from state prisons in 1994 found that within three years of their release:

• at least 67.5% had been arrested for committing a new offense

• at least 21.6% had been arrested for committing a new violent offense

• these former inmates had been charged with committing at least 2,871 new homicides, 2,444 new rapes, 3,151 other new sexual assaults, 2,362 new kidnappings, 21,245 new robberies, 54,604 new assaults, and 13,854 other new violent crimes[31]

Of 1,662 murders committed in New York City during 2003-2005, more than 90% were committed by people with criminal records.[32]

Washington, DC

In 1976, the Washington, D.C. City Council passed a law generally prohibiting residents from possessing handguns and requiring that all firearms in private homes be (1) kept unloaded and (2) rendered temporally inoperable via disassembly or installation of a trigger lock. The law became operative on Sept. 24, 1976.[33] [34]

On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 ruling, struck down this law as unconstitutional.[35]

During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower.[37]

 
Britain

In 1920, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to obtain a certificate from their district police chief in order to purchase or possess any firearm except a shotgun. To obtain this certificate, the applicant had to pay a fee, and the chief of police had to be "satisfied" that the applicant had "good reason for requiring such a certificate" and did not pose a "danger to the public safety or to the peace." The certificate had to specify the types and quantities of firearms and ammunition that the applicant could purchase and keep.[38]

In 1968, Britain made the 1920 law stricter by requiring civilians to obtain a certificate from their district police chief in order to purchase or possess a shotgun. This law also required that firearm certificates specify the identification numbers ("if known") of all firearms and shotguns owned by the applicant.[39]

In 1997, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to surrender almost all privately owned handguns to the police. More than 162,000 handguns and 1.5 million pounds of ammunition were "compulsorily surrendered" by February 1998. Using "records of firearms held on firearms certificates," police accounted for all but fewer than eight of all legally owned handguns in England, Scotland, and Wales.[40]

† Homicide data is published according to the years in which the police initially reported the offenses as homicides, which are not always the same years in which the incidents took place.
‡ Large anomalies unrelated to guns:
2000: 58 Chinese people suffocated to death in a shipping container en route to the UK
2002: 172 homicides reported when Dr. Harold Shipman was exposed for killing his patients
2003: 20 cockle pickers drowned resulting in manslaughter charges
2005: 52 people were killed in the July 7th London subway/bus bombings

Not counting the above-listed anomalies, the homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban.[42]

 

Chicago

In 1982, the city of Chicago instituted a ban on handguns. This ban barred civilians from possessing handguns except for those registered with the city government prior to enactment of the law. The law also specified that such handguns had to be re-registered every two years or owners would forfeit their right to possess them. In 1994, the law was amended to require annual re-registration.[43] [44] [45]

In the wake of Chicago's handgun ban, at least five suburbs surrounding Chicago instituted similar handgun bans. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's handgun ban in June 2008, at least four of these suburbs repealed their bans.[46] [47] [48] [49] [50]

In June 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (5-4) that Chicago's ban is unconstitutional.[51]

Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.[53]

Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.[55]

In 2005, 96% of the firearm murder victims in Chicago were killed with handguns.[56]

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Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:26 | 3066320 Earl of Chiswick
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so did Steve Jobs

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:30 | 3066326 Tyler Durden
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So did Michael Burry

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:40 | 3066340 dryam
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Abraham Lincoln & Winston Churchill had bipolar disorder. What's your point? Tragedies like this can not be prevented. They can only be minimized by minimizing access to assault weapons.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:44 | 3066346 Earl of Chiswick
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and this person suggests Marissa Mayer

http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2012/10/15/i-think-marissa-mayer-has-asper...

 and

these folks seek them out for employment http://www.aspiritech.org/

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:00 | 3066387 Richard Chesler
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That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.

~ George Orwell, sergeant in Home Guard

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:19 | 3066454 dryam
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Ignorance about mental illness runs rampant in our society. It parallels that of financial ignorance. Mental illness is very common & disorders are far from being black & white; they are spectrum disorders with innumerable shades of grey.

Tragedies will happen, but they'll be much more prevalent in some cultures versus others.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:31 | 3066481 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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second ammendment fanatics have blood on their hands today - the blood of children

I'm doing everything in my powers in my job with the government to make gun ownership a crime so heinous, so dastardly, that no one would ever consider owning one. It is tantamount to terrorism, nay, it IS terrorism as owning one is an open admission you don't have the respect or trust in the authorities to do their job and protect their citizens from harm.

SHAME!

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:36 | 3066502 Ralph Spoilsport
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Hopefully you don't have a lot of power in your gubmint job because you're a stupid jerk. What's your function, changing toner cartridges? Thinking is above your pay grade.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:54 | 3066723 Janice
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The batman shooter and the child killer were both gamers, guns have been around for hundreds of years. Any research on gamers being more aggressive?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:07 | 3066768 MiguelitoRaton
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The latest mass shooting is a tragedy and my heart goes out to all people involved. Any rational person will agree that if we could somehow pass a law that would stop all gun crime, we should do it. Many people are calling for gun control laws in the wake of this. Let me share with you a story: Wednesday I was in a cancer ward at a hospital talking with a young couple. She was pregnant with her second child and going through chemo (during pregnancy...ugh). Her husband had a limp because he had been shot in the leg the prior month by a meth addict in a home invasion. Since that time she has converted to a gun advocate and he has purchased a shotgun. Gun laws would NOT disarm the law breaking meth addict, but they would disarm the law abiding couple and the meth addict would then be MORE active at home invasions, knowing full well that his law-abiding victims were unarmed. Gun laws would make that poor young couple, and many more like them, helpless victims. Statistics tell us that guns play a role in stopping 2.5 million crimes each year.

 

If you look at the mass shootings of the past, the ones that come to mind are Aurora, Austin (old bell tower), and Columbine. In each of these cases the shooter was on antidepressants known to cause violent, paranoid, homicidal and suicidal tendencies. This shooter had a “personality disorder” I am waiting to see what meds he was on. SSRI is one type of drug that has a high correlation to mass murder. In the 90’s SSRI was only for adults, now we are giving them to kids who are living in a world saturated with violence (movies, TV, video games). Other countries have restricted such prescriptions (Japan, UK, etc.)

 

Now many people on Facebook compare countries. If we just had gun laws like Japan we would have no gun violence, just like them. Well Mexico has some of the strongest gun laws in the world, but is also a leader in murder by gun. Switzerland has some of the broadest gun ownership, but they have none of these problems. Culturally, we are somewhat similar to Australia. They banned guns and the violent crimes went up dramatically. It also kicked off a wave of “home invasions” a new thing there, precipitated by unarmed homeowners. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RDWltHxRc&feature=share&list=LLkclaJr7mOSjorG54ncFWVA

 

I know it sounds trite, but gun laws truly disarm the law-abiding, not the law breakers. I heard a policeman say that he had taken “hundreds of guns off the street from bad guys and in all those years only one was registered.” Prisoners have been polled and 80% of the guns of the prisoners polled were obtained illegally. Gun laws would not change this.

 

Some are calling for restrictions on the type or number of guns. Even if you eliminate semi-automatic pistols, a revolver with a speedloader is extremely fast to reload, especially when the victims are all unarmed. In terms of the number of guns one should own, guns have all different purposes. You might have one pistol for each adult, in case one travels and takes his gun with him. You might have a short barrel shotgun for home defense, like the couple above. You might have a 22 for competitive target shooting. You might have a long barrel shotgun for skeet or trap. You might have a 30-06 for hunting, etc. Do we really want the government telling us how many of something we can have? How many TVs will they allow me to have in my home?

 

Sadly, it isn’t about the guns; guns are merely a tool. Sick murderous individuals will find a way. You can find out how to make pipe bombs on the Internet. A gallon of gas can be had for $4 and turned into several Molotov cocktails, a simple car can plow down dozens of people. See Bath School Disaster, Ralston http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269717,00.html, the list goes on. Germany has very strong gun control laws but they too have this scourge http://youtu.be/PezlFNTGWv4. The largest death counts from such attacks were accomplished with a fertilizer bomb and box cutters.

 

Some might argue that the second amendment was intended ONLY for a well-regulated militia. This is clearly a faulty interpretation: http://youtu.be/_YY5Rj4cQ50

 

One might argue that laws would STILL reduce access to guns. Yes, they would. But if laws actually prevented behavior, then our drug laws would result in less drugs. They have not. Again the fallacy of the “let’s compare countries” is displayed again. Japan has strict drug laws and very little drug use. This is because the Japanese are culturally very law abiding. Here in the US we see that prohibition resulted in MORE bars in big cities, not fewer. Sadly, gun laws, like in Australia only disarm the law-abiding. There are roughly 270 million guns in the US. What any law will make all of them disappear and prevent further importation? Even if the bad guys kept their guns, and let’s say that was 10%, that is 27 million guns, or almost one for every 10 people. How do we protect the good people against these bad people? Everybody hates seeing mass murders, but what about that couple going through chemo? Should we really disarm them and allow the armed villains to run rampant?

 

Our society is a cocktail of too much dangerous medication, press glorification (anti-hero) of these shootings, too much violence in media/games, social isolation (Internet, TV, etc.) and guns. But guns are merely one of many tools available to the crazies. I am in favor of confiscating weapons from people using antidepressants. But even in this case the shooter stole the weapons from his mother, whom he also killed.

 

Gun laws that prohibit guns in certain areas like movie theaters (Aurora), schools (Columbine and this latest one), malls (Oregon) and military bases (Fort Hood) seem only to provide large numbers of unarmed targets for these sick individuals. Such restrictions on larger scale (Washington DC, Australia, etc.) merely provide entire societies of unarmed victims.

 

This is a very emotional time. People get angry with this sort of logic and tell me I should have to look in the eyes of the mother whose child was killed and tell her that we need legal access to guns to keep law abiding citizens safe. Well how can I look into the eyes of that couple who suffered a home invasion by a meth addict and tell them that they do not have a right to self-defense, that the father cannot protect his wife, child and unborn child against the next attack…which will be all the more frequent now that the bad guys know you are disarmed?  

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:18 | 3066814 Freddie
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Michael Savage has talked a lot on his show about anti-depressants and other drugs perscribed to young men with disastorous consequences.  

What happened yesetrday was horrible.   I read Tyler's article and it said the young man did not have a Facebook page?  WTF?  If you don't have a Facebook page is it a sign you are anti-social?

How did he gain access to the guns?   I heard the family owned them?

Ban video games before you ban guns.  It will never happen because the scum in hollywood are deeply involved in the gaming business. 

Since dear mullah was "elected" four years ago - probably 40 to 55 million more guns were sold.   I would bet 15 million more will be sold in 2013   A lot of them are AR 15s.  The public is buying them because they fear the govt and criminals.

Mass murders of children were used to disarm the UK and Australia.  These events give the elites the power to gain total control.  Too many of these cases mass murders or assasinations by "loners" look like Manchurian Candidate mind control.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:29 | 3066841 Ralph Spoilsport
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Many Aspergers are prescribed Effexor based on a few acquaintances who suffer from it. Read the side effects:

http://www.drugs.com/effexor.html

Also this quote from above:

"Do not stop using Effexor suddenly, or you could have unpleasant symptoms."

Begs the question, did Lanza stop taking his meds and have "unpleasant symptoms"?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:37 | 3066867 Uncle Remus
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And if he did stop taking his meds suddenly, did he do so consciously?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:43 | 3066885 Ralph Spoilsport
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It's possible. The side effects are apparently unpleasant. All of these SSRI type meds require a long period of suffering side effects before they start to help the condition they were prescribed for. It ends up not curing anything, but establishing a new "condition" mentally. They aren't even sure of how these meds actually work.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 18:54 | 3067283 AldousHuxley
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#1 killer for 25 and younger is SUICIDE

 

In China, they had a crazy guy  kill bunch of kids in school with a knife.

 

The problem is ths kid's father who abandoned family and started another one. Mother receivevd six figure alimony to be able afford all those guns while part timing as a substitute teacher.Something is not right when the single mother owns semi-automatics and practice shoots.

 

Think about the kid abandoned by his father and his mother just shopping her sorrows away with random guys in her 40s.

 

You ban guns, kid would use a knife.

You ban knives, kid would use a dirty bomb

You ban bombs, kid would use stones.

 

When these messed up kids grow up, they become banksters and try to take revenge against the world by joining the dark side.

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 19:41 | 3067400 Arthur Borges
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Um, on your China story, the perp injured 22 schoolchildren; some were in critical condition but no deaths yet. What prevented the attacker from claiming a larger number of victims was the lack of an effective weapon.

The US right to bear arms has been obsolete ever since it was no longer worth killing Indians anymore: businesses organized the Boston Tea Party to avoid a tax earmarked for more British troops to defend colonists form the Indians. Only businesses were really taxable and they opted to sabotage the tax and leave colonists to protect themselves, thereby turning a penny on the arms and ammo sales as well as enjoying the benefits of the free security enhancement.

That's all the right to bear arms was ever about at the outset.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 19:50 | 3067413 DosZap
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That's all the right to bear arms was ever about at the outset.

 

Another idiotic untruth

Pls read the Const, and BOR"s............

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 22:52 | 3067800 jeff montanye
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i'm all for the right to bear arms but that story about business working both sides of the transaction (less taxes, sell guns and ammo) sounds so true.  we delude ourselves by thinking that, wonderful as the constitution was and is, the times that gave it birth have no relation to our own.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:40 | 3067880 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The Boston Tea Party was undertaken by citizens of that locality in 1773. The Bill of Rights was adopted by the US House of Representatives in 1789. These decisions were made by a completely different set of individuals living within a different political and tax structure sixteen years apart.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:43 | 3067884 Rubbish
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Conn. May-Issue state... If more people were able to carry, some, not all of this would slow. In a couple decades we kill most the bad guys.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:56 | 3067901 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Pearl High School shooting

 

The incident began on the morning of October 1, 1997 when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.

Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing an orange jumpsuit and a trenchcoat,[1] he made no attempt to hide his rifle. When he entered the school, he fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others before leaving, intending to drive off campus and conduct another shooting at the nearby Pearl Junior High School. However, assistant principal Joel Myrick had retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother's car. Then Myrick demanded "Why did you shoot my kids?" to which Woodham replied, "Life has wronged me, sir."[2]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Woodham

 

 

 

Parker Middle School dance shooting

 

The Parker Middle School dance shooting was an incident that occurred on April 24, 1998 at a restaurant in Edinboro, Pennsylvania, United States. 14-year-old Andrew Jerome Wurst fatally shot 48-year-old John Gillette, and wounded another teacher and two students[1] at Nick's Place (a nearby restaurant) during an 8th grade graduation dance.[2]

The shooting ended when the owner of Nick's Place, James Strand, intervened and confronted Wurst with his shotgun, ordering him to drop his weapon and later holding him at bay for eleven minutes.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_Middle_School_dance_shooting

 


Sun, 12/16/2012 - 03:04 | 3068187 LetThemEatRand
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For fuck's sake -- do we really need these mental gymnastics?  As ZH pointed out in an earlier article, far more people are killed by cars than guns (we could make cars safer and many assholes here argue against that, but that's another topic).  It's cost/benefit.  The benefit of individual gun ownership (like car ownership) overwhelmingly outweighs the cost of the occasional psycho who misuses them and goes on a rampage.  Think freedom, etc.  Can we all just stop with the "but you can kill with a knife too" silliness?  Or the "a good guy with a gun killed the bad guy with a gun" shit?   It just makes you look like a fool.   In a free society people can be armed.  Sometimes some asshole psycho will kill people with one.  It doesn't mean we all need to wear bullet proof vests or outlaw guns.   This is no consolation to the many people whose loved ones were killed in car accidents tonight, or the victims of the school shooting.  

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 11:33 | 3068511 fuu
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in 2007 99.9967% of guns in America didn't kill anybody.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 05:20 | 3068270 Arthur Borges
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Oh Please! Let us imagine the Constitution and Bill of Rights give you an airtight case for overthrowing the USG. What are you going to do? Lay a minefield around your property, bunkerize your home and hole up inside it with a few buddies and lots of beer till you find some taxman or traffic cop to shoot at? How long would it take before a SWAT team took down your one-man republic?

Alternatively, you might want to organize an insurgency based up in the Appalachian Mountains or Catskills, eating squirrels and wild mushrooms until you felt brave and crazy enough to swoop down on Congress and the White House. How far do you think you would get before running up against a wall of police and soldiers looking very upset with the lot of you? 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:20 | 3071601 dugorama
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yes, where it clearly states that 

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

so, which well regulated militia do you belong to?  or did the child killer's mom belong to?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 20:26 | 3067486 gnomon
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One good, properly executed swipe of a sword, (rather than being an idiot slasher like that guy in China probably was), will always more reliably kill a person than a single gunshot to any part of the body, head included. So much misinformation has been posted today by dilettantes. A properly executed knife/sword wound will inflict far more trauma with more cut arteries and nerves than what a single bullet of any size will do.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 21:09 | 3067584 macholatte
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Facts and figures are irrelevant. Emotion is what counts. 300,000,000 law abiding citizens will be victimized by the media elite.

 

The arms shall be banned and confiscated!

"So let it be written. So let it be done."

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:00 | 3067813 klockwerks
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Sorry, never going to happen!!

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:48 | 3067892 Rubbish
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Exactly, I love guns, pet some of mine every day. Shoot once a week, great hobby.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 05:02 | 3068267 Arthur Borges
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Well, a retired female officer friend of mine here once said that if she had to choose a weapon, it would be a long stick. But although I'm sure you're right about "a properly executed knife/sword inflict", this raises the issue of the perp's skill level. To cite another example, about 15 or 20 years ago, the Swedish police added academy training in how not to have your service weapon taken from you; this course was added at the expense of shooting practice on targets at 25 metres and beyond.

Like with any tool, what matters at least as much as the weapon is how well you can use it.

On the stabbings here in Henan, I'm still looking for more details, especially about police response time: it takes a lot of time to collar and stab 22 screaming kids running around in different directions at the same time. Shall I guess at least 22 minutes? The whole thing is still under investigation right now, so few details are being released.

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:10 | 3066947 Randall Cabot
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Maybe he watched Hollywood movies and TV:

Scroll to 2:05  minuite mark of the trailer for Django Unchained:

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUdM9vrCbow

And from Saturday Night Live:

"I kill all the white people in the movie. How great is that?"

 

 

http://www.amren.com/news/2012/12/jamie-foxx-jokes-about-killing-all-the-white-people-in-his-new-movie/

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:41 | 3066997 A Nanny Moose
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There is little evidence to support that hollywood/gaming results in such incidents. I would look to his chemical cocktails, physical/emotional abuse he may have suffered.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 17:44 | 3067143 MiguelitoRaton
Sat, 12/15/2012 - 19:26 | 3067360 Waterfallsparkles
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powerfull video.  Thanks.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 22:03 | 3067631 SMG
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This is Truth, everyone needs to know. Thanks for sharing it. 

Quotes:

"Were people shooting up classrooms in the 1960's? There were guns, we didn't have as many gun control laws then as we do now. No.  So what's different?  The psychotropic drugs, that's what different."

"[These psychiatrists] They are mainly just drug pushers."

"This isn't about helping people, it's about making money"

"Whenever a school shooter is taking these drugs, the media is told to ignore it.  They are told it is personal."

"How many deaths have to occur before people wake up?"

"Wake up, wake up, before it's too late."

The DRUGS are the root of this problem, stop this my fellow citizens. It's not too much freedom, it is us being poisoned.

 

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:14 | 3067826 jeff montanye
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you bring up an interesting point.  more diagnoses, more therapies.  true the bath disaster was in the 1920's, but the last three decades are like the prohibition era (alcohol in u.s. in the '20's; marijuana and cocaine in mexico and columbia since about 1980).  check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school-related_attacks for some eye openers.  as one of the earlier u.s. killers noted (a female, atypically) i don't like mondays, this livens up the day.

the article notes:  Another reported similarity is that most of the perpetrators had been taking antidepressant drugs,[9][10][11] which have a documented history of producing violence and aggression as a side effect.[12][13]


Sat, 12/15/2012 - 22:09 | 3067681 palmereldritch
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Guns don’t kill people.  People kill people.

People on psycho-tropic drugs with easy access to guns can kill people in large numbers.

Gasoline...meet fire.

Ban gasoline? And ban fire? Or educate society on the dangers of their explosive mix?

Edit:Or why not simply ban pyscho-tropic drugs.  As the video strongly argues, What has been added to society's mix since the sixties that was never there before?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:23 | 3067841 jeff montanye
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i'm going with fewer suicides and personal pain and more murders, apparently.  my experience with psychopharmaceuticals as an observer is that 1. they keep many sane that had been extremely fucked up.  2. they are abused by those that really want just to get high and by those that will make money off selling to them.  the 3. which, thankfully, i haven't personally observed but which from the evidence may well be true, is that in a small minority of the treated, the drugs produce horrific side effects.  two steps forward, one step back?  one step forward, one step back ....  remains to be seen.  we are a proud but fallen creature.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:42 | 3067879 palmereldritch
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There are merits to every argument except the simplistic and binary reductionism of extreme reaction.

So I guess banning psycho-tropic drugs would make as much sense as banning guns? Except psycho-tropic drugs are not an insurance policy against tyranny.

I suspect, less tyranny in the world would mean less of a demand for psycho-tropic drugs in many ways.  Ironic how the Second Amendment is so stealthily haunted and poisoned by its arch nemesis.

A link from the org producing the video above:

http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-drugs/drug_warnings_on_violence/recen...

Recent Murders/Murder-Suicides Committed by Individuals on Psychiatric Drugs

10 recent murders and murder-suicides, resulting in 43 dead and 37 wounded:

Perhaps policing should start with the psychiatrists and the Big Pharma if the incidents of mass public killings as a lethal side effect are to decrease.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 22:13 | 3067731 nmewn
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Never allow shrinks inside your head, they don't even know whats going on inside their own head. And get your kids off Ritalin, the life you save may be your own.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 11:39 | 3068525 WarriorClass
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When violent shootings take place, honest journalists are forced to ask the question: “Does this fit the pattern of other staged shootings?” "Is there a mysterious 'second suspect' that disappears from coverage?" "Is the shooter mentally disabled and under mind control?" "Did the feds take over the investigation? from the local police?" "Was this a false flag?" "Who benefits?"

 

Apparently we have no honest journalists.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:23 | 3073208 dugorama
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I don't think them dishonest so much as lazy.  and incompetent.  and perhaps of below average intelligence.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 05:35 | 3068275 Arthur Borges
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Two points: (1) I fear that there "little evidence" because it hasn't been studied that much. (2) Another ill-studied area is potentiation, i.e. how one drug can enhance the effects of another drug when taken together. The research question is: What happens when a person on medication adds in a cough syrup, marijuana, bourbon and a few beers when he's in a bad mood. Allow that he mixes one tranquilizer with another because he's feeling extra jittery one day after an evening on meth, crack or whatever. All of these molecules will be interacting inside the body and different people respond differently to one same medication.

For example, there was a case in Taiwan a few years back where a perpetrator on a bus not only stabbed to death a fellow passenger and stranger, but proceeded to sever the victim's head. The other passengers managed to evacuate and the driver locked the man inside the vehicle until the police came. While waiting for the officers to turn up, the perp was holding the severed head up to the window and displaying it to onlookers.

Beyond the horror of the event, I suspect the explanation lies in potentiation from some cocktail of molecules he had ingested.

 

 

 

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 11:06 | 3068471 New England Patriot
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Or dude in question was possessed.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 17:54 | 3067169 Cursive
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@Freddie

Ban video games before you ban guns.  It will never happen because the scum in hollywood are deeply involved in the gaming business. 

Amen, brother.  Activision wants you to know that there's a soldier in all of us.  Where are our liberal bretheren on this blatantly violent, onanastic fantasy world?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlwfXBCzg4U&feature=youtube_gdata http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Y989yQnuB9g

 

 

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 22:28 | 3067758 Freddie
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Tarentino bankrooled by the Weinstein brother at Miramax.  Not content to spew mega violent movies filled with cruelty and blood - they want to expand into race baiting.   Kill Bill now Kill Whitey.  These people are evil.  F TV and F Hollywood.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 01:17 | 3068057 palmereldritch
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A conspiracy of easy profits.

The world's second oldest profession.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 19:22 | 3067354 JOYFUL
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...Too many of these cases mass murders or assasinations by "loners" look like Manchurian Candidate mind control...

Affirmative. This pattern of selecting\grooming\activating 'loners' for employment by the Secret State in assassinations, honey traps, and assorted dirty tricks has been driving Merika's fate since at least the 50's...

Kennedy(s), MLK, Lennon, Reagan, et al, just the tip of the iceberg, one can safely presume, as the gun control agenda has employed countless other dupes in order to create the appropriate backlash.

Some time ago I suggested that readers look up the strange case of Kerry Thornley, (as documented in http://ovo127.com/2009/08/02/ovo-17-the-dreadlock-recollections-january-...)who not only served as a Marine at the same U2 base in Japan as Oswald, but in the mentioned link provides the only documented evidence of the actual techniques and technicians(in this case Howard Hunt)employed in created the perfect 'patsy'...

on a wider level, Dave McGowan's(http://www.amazon.com/Programmed-Kill-Politics-Serial-Murder/dp/0595326404 or http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/) fine work in documenting the entire vast culture conspiracy by which the sons and daughters of servicemen were enlisted into the effort to undermine the American Mind sets the standard for great investigative journalism of a kind that is usually only performed by practitioners of the double gunshot to the head type of suicide like the late Gary Webb...

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 21:54 | 3067691 GiantLizard
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You've obviously never been to Oz, or researched the statistics very thoroughly. The Youtube link you provide to back up your assertions is from one state in Australia (the second-least populous), and the quality of the video as well as uniforms/clothes worn suggest it was filmed well before 2000, using high selective quotes from the head of the Police Association which seem more to be aimed at the number  of police officers in the state rather than anything to do with violent crimes. The statistics quoted in the video are not referenced and seem to be contradicted by statistics produced by the Australian Institute of Criminology which shows that the number of homicides has declined in absolute terms while the population increased approximately 20% since the Port Arthur Massacre (which triggered the gun buy-back laws) in 1996, as have the rates of robbery. I think it would be safer to say that Australians are culturally somewhat similar to Canadians. Even then, the number of gun-related homicides (as well as homicides as a a proportion of total population) is a fraction of either the US or Canada.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 18:01 | 3067180 Miffed Microbio...
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You sited Charles Whitman the Austin tower shooter. Interestingly enough it was found on his autopsy that he had a glioblastoma brain tumor that probably had a significant part in this man's horrific actions. I recently has a work associate die from this type of tumor . His personality change was dramatic. Unfortunately there are many reasons people go on shooting rampages, gun control won't stop these occurrences but thank god they are rare events. Only thing one can do is prepare what you will do if it occurs and pray it never happens.

Miffed:-)

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 18:23 | 3067228 Meatballs
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How many TVs will they allow me to have in my home?

I guarantee that zero will not be an option. The propaganda must flow.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 18:30 | 3067239 Moe Howard
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Thank you for the well written, researched and thought provoking post.

Post of the day for me.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 21:25 | 3067616 GiantLizard
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You've obviously never been to Oz, or researched the statistics very thoroughly. The Youtube link you provide to back up your assertions is from one state in Australia (the second-least populous), and the quality of the video as well as uniforms/clothes worn suggest it was filmed well before 2000, using high selective quotes from the head of the Police Association which seem more to be aimed at the number  of police officers in the state rather than anything to do with violent crimes. The statistics quoted in the video are not referenced and seem to be contradicted by statistics produced by the Australian Institute of Criminology which shows that the number of homicides has declined in absolute terms while the population increased approximately 20% since the Port Arthur Massacre (which triggered the gun buy-back laws) in 1996, as have the rates of robbery. I think it would be safer to say that Australians are culturally somewhat similar to Canadians. Even then, the number of gun-related homicides (as well as homicides as a a proportion of total population) is a fraction of either the US or Canada.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 21:53 | 3067684 GiantLizard
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You've obviously never been to Oz, or researched the statistics very thoroughly. The Youtube link you provide to back up your assertions is from one state in Australia (the second-least populous), and the quality of the video as well as uniforms/clothes worn suggest it was filmed well before 2000, using high selective quotes from the head of the Police Association which seem more to be aimed at the number  of police officers in the state rather than anything to do with violent crimes. The statistics quoted in the video are not referenced and seem to be contradicted by statistics produced by the Australian Institute of Criminology which shows that the number of homicides has declined in absolute terms while the population increased approximately 20% since the Port Arthur Massacre (which triggered the gun buy-back laws) in 1996, as have the rates of robbery. I think it would be safer to say that Australians are culturally somewhat similar to Canadians. Even then, the number of gun-related homicides (as well as homicides as a a proportion of total population) is a fraction of either the US or Canada.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 21:52 | 3067685 GiantLizard
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You've obviously never been to Oz, or researched the statistics very thoroughly. The Youtube link you provide to back up your assertions is from one state in Australia (the second-least populous), and the quality of the video as well as uniforms/clothes worn suggest it was filmed well before 2000, using high selective quotes from the head of the Police Association which seem more to be aimed at the number  of police officers in the state rather than anything to do with violent crimes. The statistics quoted in the video are not referenced and seem to be contradicted by statistics produced by the Australian Institute of Criminology which shows that the number of homicides has declined in absolute terms while the population increased approximately 20% since the Port Arthur Massacre (which triggered the gun buy-back laws) in 1996, as have the rates of robbery. I think it would be safer to say that Australians are culturally somewhat similar to Canadians. Even then, the number of gun-related homicides (as well as homicides as a a proportion of total population) is a fraction of either the US or Canada.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 21:52 | 3067686 GiantLizard
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You've obviously never been to Oz, or researched the statistics very thoroughly. The Youtube link you provide to back up your assertions is from one state in Australia (the second-least populous), and the quality of the video as well as uniforms/clothes worn suggest it was filmed well before 2000, using high selective quotes from the head of the Police Association which seem more to be aimed at the number  of police officers in the state rather than anything to do with violent crimes. The statistics quoted in the video are not referenced and seem to be contradicted by statistics produced by the Australian Institute of Criminology which shows that the number of homicides has declined in absolute terms while the population increased approximately 20% since the Port Arthur Massacre (which triggered the gun buy-back laws) in 1996, as have the rates of robbery. I think it would be safer to say that Australians are culturally somewhat similar to Canadians. Even then, the number of gun-related homicides (as well as homicides as a a proportion of total population) is a fraction of either the US or Canada.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 21:53 | 3067687 GiantLizard
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You've obviously never been to Oz, or researched the statistics very thoroughly. The Youtube link you provide to back up your assertions is from one state in Australia (the second-least populous), and the quality of the video as well as uniforms/clothes worn suggest it was filmed well before 2000, using high selective quotes from the head of the Police Association which seem more to be aimed at the number  of police officers in the state rather than anything to do with violent crimes. The statistics quoted in the video are not referenced and seem to be contradicted by statistics produced by the Australian Institute of Criminology which shows that the number of homicides has declined in absolute terms while the population increased approximately 20% since the Port Arthur Massacre (which triggered the gun buy-back laws) in 1996, as have the rates of robbery. I think it would be safer to say that Australians are culturally somewhat similar to Canadians. Even then, the number of gun-related homicides (as well as homicides as a a proportion of total population) is a fraction of either the US or Canada.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 22:17 | 3067741 BigInJapan
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"Like Canada"?
Care to do a comparison of per capita violent assaults, Australia vs Canada and Australia pre and post 1996?

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 14:46 | 3068927 oldschool
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This deserves more than an up arrow.  Thanks for your thoughtful effort.  I hope you will publish it more widely.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 15:52 | 3069037 oldschool
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Dp

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:09 | 3066785 THX 1178
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He's not one of us normal people who watches sporting events on Television, chants and cheers and drinks booze and dry-humps strangers in the dance club. He's not one of us normal people who strings cliches together like "Hey-badda-bing-badda-boom-at-the-end-of-the-day-you-gotta-do-what-you-gotta-do-so-we'll-see-what-happens-with-that-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha" and considers that communication. He's not one of those willing to ignore a painful and frightening reality in order to gain social acceptance. He's not normal like us.

 

Its not fucking cut and dry. It never is. Also...

 

It is no measure of health to be well ajusted to a profoundly sick society. -Krishnamurti.

 

Who is worthy of our derision? I think the answer is "More than one person."

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:57 | 3066916 Anusocracy
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From the Institute for the Neurologically Typical. (parody)

http://isnt.autistics.org/

What Is NT?

Neurotypical syndrome is a neurobiological disorder characterized by preoccupation with social concerns, delusions of superiority, and obsession with conformity.

Neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one, or the only correct one. NTs find it difficult to be alone. NTs are often intolerant of seemingly minor differences in others. When in groups NTs are socially and behaviorally rigid, and frequently insist upon the performance of dysfunctional, destructive, and even impossible rituals as a way of maintaining group identity. NTs find it difficult to communicate directly, and have a much higher incidence of lying as compared to persons on the autistic spectrum.

NT is believed to be genetic in origin. Autopsies have shown the brain of the neurotypical is typically smaller than that of an autistic individual and may have overdeveloped areas related to social behavior.

How Common Is It?

Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10,000 individuals may be neurotypical.

Are There Any Treatments For NT?

There is no known cure for Neurotypical Syndrome.

However, many NTs have learned to compensate for their disabilities and interact normally with autistic persons.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:44 | 3067007 A Nanny Moose
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O'Bamacare has a solution. Dope everybody up. Can't have proles thinking for themselves.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 17:50 | 3067157 Odd Ball
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Exactly.  Who gets to decide what's normal?  In the 20th century it was "normal" for phsychopathic dictators to murder millions of their own people: Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 18:46 | 3067268 TBT or not TBT
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Statisticians decide that.   Ironically, the best ones can be found a ways out on the autism scale.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 19:59 | 3067437 hadriansnightmare
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Hmm- a goth gamer with aspergers with range experience and easy access to weapons.... Yes, violent games make you more inclined to violence- it's called conditioning-duh.  Do you think the seals train by shooting bunnies?  For most, the effect on behavior is negligible.  For a few-disastrous.  It only takes a few.  These games should be adult only-period.  Any parent letting their 12 year old near this crap should be arrested for child abuse.  Columbine, Holmes-Dark Knight guy, Va. Tech freak  Cho all violent gamers.  Gee, I guess given that every kid plays these now the correlation is meaningless.  Man, we are really stupid.  

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-first-clear-link-between-violent-video-games-and-hostility-2012-10

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 21:39 | 3067654 Matt
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They were also all on prescription drugs.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 02:40 | 3067772 Freddie
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Looks like the gun grabber leftist Hollywood elites are all over AH junking posts.    TV and Hollywood plus Big Pharma are for more responsible.  Putting young people/children on dangerous drugs that affect the brain is child abuse.  These people are evil.

Video/computer games are very tied into Hollywood so they will get a free pass along with mega violent movies. 

So we have a cocktail of Big Pharma mind altering drugs, big Hollywood's endless mega violent movies including Miramax/Weinstein/Tarantino expanding from Kill Bill to Kill Whitey.  Movies that glorify violence and make mass murder look really cool, hip and sometimes funny.  The MTV-idization of mass murder, misery and cruelty.  

Don't forget Hollywood's violent video games and down the street in the Valley is the Hollywood porn industry dehumanizing women and men watching it.   

So the kids are junkies with mind altering drugs, conditioned by ultra violent movies and video games. Add in self absorbed parents who divorce and let Johnny veg out for tens of hours on violent video games on mind altering meds (an easy crutch to avoid being an involved parent).  What could go wrong?

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 12:03 | 3068563 jemlyn
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Wish I could give you 100 up arrows

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 03:52 | 3068234 Jerome Lester H...
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Not every kid plays these games. I have an Autistic 10 year old son. He has an amazing memory. I did not realize that he had watched me enter my password on my Ipad and he ended up purchasing about $150.00 in apps. What did he buy? Nearly all educational apps. Apps on geography, classical music and composers, piano lessons, percussion instruments, art, history and one song. Not one game. He does not want an Xbox, he has a Wii but rarely plays it and when he did he mostly played Wii Music and sports games. He does not like to watch tv. He is on medication and it is a very mild dose. We make sure he gets supplemental vitamins and probiotics as his eating habits are not great. He would simply not eat at all if a preferred food is not available. We have tried expanding food choices but he does not like to try new foods. We tried once to tell him that he eats what we eat or he does not eat. He did not eat anything for nearly the whole day except apple juice and never complained that he was hungry. He would starve himself instead of eating food he does not want. He does like some healthy foods but his preferred food choices are limited. Like most Autistic children he has difficulty in making friends but is not mean or violent, plays with his cousins at family parties and get togethers. He is prone to occasional tantrums or outbursts but we have noticed that they happen mostly if he is ill, hungry or feels threatened by somebody invading his personal space. He is aware that he is having tantrums. When they do happen it usually ramps up in steps or frequencies and my wife and I have learned strategies to help de-escalate him before it gets to it's worst point. The times that his anger gets extreme there is much yelling and foot stomping and a lot of times he will yell "I'm sorry" as if he knows what is happening and it is at a point where it is hard for him to control it. He does not want this to happen as much as we do. It is heart wrenching and emotionally draining. Luckily for us the extreme of his anger does not result in violence. That is not to say that it may not in the future. The one thing I have noticed is that the older he gets the less the tantrums happen. He goes to a school for Autistic children. They have been fantastic at helping him learn and cope and have been a tremendous resource for my wife and me. I know my evidence is anecdotal but my son developed this from vaccines. He was completely developmentally normal in every aspect before MMR vaccine. He changed almost immediately after receiving the vaccines and has not been the same since. I will never give him another vaccine and have not since then. Any other parents of Autistic children will know what I am talking about if they noticed the same thing. He was already beginning to talk but then did not talk at all until he was 5 1/2 years old. He would line his toys up but not otherwise play with them. He would not make eye contact. He cried a lot for no apparent reason. When he was a baby he did not cry all that much and slept great. His sleeping habits changed and he would wake up some days at 3-4 am and be up for the rest of the day. This never happened before the vaccine. He also greatly feared going to the doctor or dentist until he was about 7.

I love my son unconditionally and could not imagine life without him. My wife is a RN and in the back of her mind blames herself for giving him the vaccine (she was the nurse that actually gave him the MMR vaccine) without researching them. She still administers vaccines as part of her job but is in complete agreement with me that we will never give him another. After all she saw him go through the same changes I did. When I read of these tragedies there is a part of me that hopes my son never does something like this. He is raised in a loving family, he has boundaries and structure that is majorly important for Autistic children. We don't have cable tv, don't let him watch violent movies and even if I gave him a violent video game he would not play it. His idea of a fun video game to play is Roller Coaster Tycoon.

My heart goes out to the families and victims of this senseless tragedy. My fear is that kids with Autism are now going to be targets of other children. Autism has many degrees and at it's core it is really that they process information differently than neuro normal children do. My son has difficulty in understanding context. If you told him "you want a knuckle sandwich?" He would literally think you were offering him a sandwich with someone's knuckles in it. He understands concepts and context better when it is presented visually. I hope and pray that he grows to be an intelligent well adjusted adult.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 19:09 | 3069455 Cathartes Aura
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on the chance you may come back to this thread, I just wanted to share with you some bits of other stories with you. . .

I know of three folks with children sharing the same "diagnosis" you describe.  interestingly, all three are of similar ages to your son, and all are boys - and all were vaccinated at early ages, with symptoms you describe here resulting.

I share this with you hoping to lessen any "guilt" you or your wife might be feeling.  whether intentional or not, this is a systemic outcome, and it happened within a system that many have trusted all their lives - healthcare, particularly immunising children.  many of us still have vaccination scars from decades ago - smallpox, left arm? yup - so it's part of our collective cultural memory.

and like the food we used to believe nourished us, the water we believed was pure and safe to drink, even the air we breathe - it's changed over time, and we all need to acknowledge this and update our reality to include vigilance in all we do, all we believe.

I believe your son will do fine as he grows up.  he has people around him that are paying attention to his life, and love him - that's a lot more than many so-called-normal children have today.  the boys I described above have this in varying degrees as well.  the ones allowed to pursue their own interests - as in your inadvertent "app" donations, ha - appear to be more curious about their surroundings, in their own unique ways.

and their parents all believe there is much to learn from their unique boys. . .

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:31 | 3066978 Stoploss
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Take solice in the fact that the psycho's will suffer the most.

It is up to you to pay attention to it, and enjoy it.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 22:18 | 3067745 ajax
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@Stoploss - take solace in the fact that some of care about spelling our language correctly.

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 20:50 | 3067539 kliguy38
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Just relax and let the goobinmint take your weapons....then when Joe Stalin Jr. rolls in you can count your body bags in the millions

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:38 | 3066507 The Alarmist
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Yeah, Child Control!  The rest of us need our guns to protect ourselves from the Others children.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 18:50 | 3067274 TBT or not TBT
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We have that.   It is called public school.   They take money from families whether they send their kids there or not, then after taking away their means to have their kids in the school of their choice, say a school uninfested by namby pamby-ism, with adequate security, then offering the public school for "free".   What a bargain!    Thank your union label teacher for keeping this civilisation ruining establishment going.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:45 | 3066527 Bastiat
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Nope. But you have the blood of Pakistani children on your hands if you voted for the drone bomber. 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:54 | 3066730 subqtaneous
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Not only that, but use of the word 'nay' deserves being drawn an quartered.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:55 | 3066909 Ralph Spoilsport
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Same for using the word 'dastardly'. Sounds like Dudley Do-Right.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:30 | 3066977 SoCalBusted
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People in NL may disagree with you on that one.

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:14 | 3066595 JohnnyBriefcase
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Every single person that pays any type of tax to the US govt. has the blood of millions of people on their hands whether or not those people were "guilty".

Most people who visit this site could probably be labeled "suspected terrorists" if they were to suddenly be killed by a drone and be unable to prove they were innocent.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:15 | 3066598 Augustus
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Another government zit with no regard for the US Constitution.  A route to success for an ObamaCon.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:21 | 3066610 ejmoosa
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Governments made sure that the responsible adults at the school had no possibility of defending themselves.  The blood is on their hands.  But history  has shown they really do not care much about that.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:21 | 3066612 LG_Knight
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No shame in not trusting government to act in our best interests. Your tyrannical rant explains why.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:24 | 3066624 jerry_theking_lawler
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terrorism is not placing the blame exactly where it lies....with a 20 y/o homicidal wacko (and the people that could have prevented this incident....ie. family, friends, doctors, etc).

i have owned and shot guns since the age of 4....freaking 4 years old I was taught the responsibilies and consequences of my actions. at 4 years old, a normal functioning person can differentiate between right and wrong.

no, the blood is not on anyone who supports 2nd amendment rights.....it is only on one person. Adam Lanza!

anyone who states otherwise should be considered a terrorist against the state!

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:33 | 3066652 oddball
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Where is Jon Corzine?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:35 | 3066659 OMG
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The only way to stop a suicidal maniac that is bent on self destruction & the destruction of others is to KILL that person, before or during the moment that the person acts out.

Choose your weapon wisely.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:44 | 3066667 Randall Cabot
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 The same gang that took over Russia 90 years ago has taken over America today and they want your guns! It was 28 yesterday but it will be 28,000,000 tomorrow-if they get the guns from the people:

"We must turn Russia into a desert populated by white negroes upon whom we shall impose a tyranny such as the most terrible Eastern despots never dreamt of. The only difference is that this will be a left-wing tyranny, not a right-wing tyranny. It will be a red tyranny and not a white one. We mean the word ‘red’ literally, because we shall shed such floods of blood as will make all the human losses suffered in the capitalist wars pale by comparison. The biggest bankers across the ocean will work in the closest possible contact with us. If we win the revolution, we shall establish the power of Zionism upon the wreckage of the revolution’s funeral, and we shall became a power before which the whole world will sink to its knees. We shall show what real power is. By means of terror and bloodbaths, we shall reduce the Russian intelligentsia to a state of complete stupefaction and idiocy and to an animal existence." Trotsky (1917)

— From the ‘Memoirs of Aron Simanovich’, quoted in The Nature of Zionism by Vladimir Stepin, Moscow, 1993, and translated from Russian into English by Clive Lindhurst.

 

When the Reds occupied a city, they took hostages — such as people wearing ties or workers in their Sunday best. They stripped them naked and then bound onto the stomach of the murder victim an empty flower pot into which a ravenous, starving rat was placed. Through the small water hole in the base of the flower pot a red-hot iron rod was pushed to torment the rat and make him wild, causing him to try to burrow himself away from the rod — and deep into the abdomen of the horrified human victim.

http://www.darkmoon.me/2011/crimes-of-the-bolsheviks-edited-by-isabella-fanfani/

They lined up other victims in military formation, then ordered the first row to place one hand upon a wooden table. A nail was driven through the hand into the wood. Then they cut a full circle around the wrist skin, drenched the hand in boiling water and pulled the hand and finger skin right off. This they called "making gloves".

Those fated to suffer the same death the following day were ordered to pick up the brain and bone pieces, the nerve tissue and blood which they witnessed flying around the room. When ordered to their work they were told: "You are digging your own grave. You must be happy that tomorrow your own kind will be picking up the pieces of your cadavers."

As for men of the cloth, they would bring priests into a church, marry them with a sow or mare in a sarcastic ceremony and then nail them to the cross over the altar.

The bishop of Voronesh was plunged live into a giant kettle of boiling water and his monks were forced at revolver point to take spoonfuls of this "soup".

High-ranking clergymen had their eyes gouged out, the tongue severed, and the ears sliced off.

Then they were buried alive.

Or their abdomen was opened with a knife and the first section of their intestines was nailed to a telephone pole. They were then forced to run around the pole as their entrails unwound until death came.

Officers of the Russian navy were steamed to death in their own engine rooms.

They were chained to cement blocks and hurled off the piers so that their tethered corpses, decomposing and rising under the waves, formed hideous, tossing forests of the dead.

General Viren of Kronstadt had both his arms hacked off and was then paraded around the downtown area until it became boring, whereupon he was shot.

Human beings had burning cigars pushed into their open eyes until they were blind, their entire body being roasted on spits.

Heads were squeezed slowly to the bursting point with special brain vises.

The German Army discovered a chamber full of these and similar devices, including a testicle-cracker, in an underground chamber in Ukraine in 1941. Adapted dentist drills were used to drill deep into the brain.

They sawed off the top of people’s skulls and forced others to eat their brains, whereupon the eaters then came under the saw and in turn had their own brains eaten. [Paraphrased]

Entire families were arrested and children tortured before the eyes of their bound parents, or the wife was tormented before the eyes of her husband or the reverse.

The Bolsheviks drove nails into empty wooden barrels, then jammed human beings inside, rolling the barrels around merrily.

Mass graves of people buried alive were found by the White Army. Victims of live burial usually have dirt in their mouth and nostrils from trying to breathe. The writhing bodies of these people were found in the most bizarre contortions.

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:09 | 3066787 Cortez the Killer
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the funny thing is you will probably be murdered by a Jew one day.

Not as part of a bolshevik conspiracy, but because of your foolish beliefs

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:19 | 3066960 Randall Cabot
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No, the really funny thing is you will probably be murdered one day,

as a result of your foolish beliefs.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 17:22 | 3067090 Random
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You leave me no choice but to say that you are a piece of shit coward and i solemnly spit in your face!

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:46 | 3066696 algol_dog
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Really a shame you don't have such zeal in defense of the freedoms so many sacrificed for you and all of us. If you want a world where your good is "guaranteed" and "watched over", you are free to jump ship to those country's that are more than happy to do so for you.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:27 | 3066716 percolator
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@ theMAXILOPEZpsycho

Well now we know the truth about you, MaxiLopez, not only are you dumber than a fifth grader http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=21494, but you're also a self-confessed FASCIST!

BTW, here's the facts about "gun control" and the CT shooter http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=214954 though it's obviously something you don't care about.

How did alcohol prohibition work out?

How's drug prohibition working out?

And what about "Fast & Furious"? 

Looks like you and your comrades in our Government have blood on your hands.  Are you demanding the same from our Government that you're demanding from its citizens?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:53 | 3066722 FeralSerf
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". . . owning one is an open admission you don't have the respect or trust in the authorities to do their job and protect their citizens from harm."

Yep, true that, except I would suggest that's it's an accusation rather than an admission.    You and your ilk ain't worth the powder to blow you to hell, as the old cliché goes.  You have zero credibility thanks to your performance record for the last couple hundred years at least.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:56 | 3066738 stinkhammer
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this is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:22 | 3066821 Confused
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It is tantamount to terrorism, nay, it IS terrorism as owning one is an open admission you don't have the respect or trust in the authorities to do their job and protect their citizens from harm.

SHAME!

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... Sorry.....

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

You would have to be a .Gov employee to even try that shit here.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 18:44 | 3067261 DaveyJones
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 sarcastic?  "SHAME!"

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:39 | 3066873 Uncle Remus
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You're somebody's bitch aren't you.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 17:54 | 3066927 Doowleb
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"I'm doing everything in my powers in my job with the government to make gun ownership a crime"

 It's government functionaries like you that make an armed populous absolutely necessary. 

Ask 'dissidents' under Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, Hutus, how much trust they had in their authorities. These leaders also eliminated gun rights in the name of safety. Their disarmed 'dissidents' where then systematically murdered by their own country's authorities.

 About 60 million of them.

In the now socialist United States of America, how long until those in the Tea Party are considered dissidents?

The terrifying loss of young innocents by a madman is beyond the understanding of anyone with a conscience. The cost of freedom is always steep. Those that give up their freedoms for security will have neither. 


 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:05 | 3066937 New American Re...
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Blame Eli Lilly, they made the drugs that changed this kid into a killer, that's who has blood on their hands.   Your's is a typical knee-jerk and uninformed response made before really taking a hard look at what caused this crime and most of the others like it.   I'll say no more about you, because you've said it all,... you fucking moron.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 16:17 | 3069096 OccupyTVstations
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sure is coincidental how many of the 'crazed lunatics' were on meds

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:32 | 3066980 curbyourrisk
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Fuck off and die in a fire.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:35 | 3066984 A Nanny Moose
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How do you enforce gun bans? Who enforces them? What tools to they use to enforce them? How many people have they Democided?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:40 | 3066992 Gold N Glocks
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Hey Max - Fuck you.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 17:47 | 3067148 El Oregonian
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From now on DUMBASS I'm just going to "Down Arrow" your ignorant ass every time I see a comment from you because whatever your opinion is is not worth my time to read it. You are just not worth my time after today...

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 18:01 | 3067179 new guy
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Timothy McVeigh blew up an entire building with just a couple of bags of fertilizer. You cannot legislate against insanity. Your ideas will just make it harder for innocent people to defend themselves.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 19:50 | 3067420 FeralSerf
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If you believe that, you're stupid and haven't been paying attention.  There was no physical way that McVeigh's fertilizer bomb could have possibly blown up that building.  McVeigh was a patsy.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 21:03 | 3067455 new guy
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Wether it was fertilizer or not isn't the point. wether it was McVeigh or not isn't the point. The point is that 168 people were killed and not a single shot was fired. the point is that banning guns won't solve anything. Do you agree or not

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 22:45 | 3067790 GubbermintWorker
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You're right, I don't have respect nor trust the authorites to protect their citizens from harm. When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:03 | 3067814 Thucydides
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Pull you head out! The historical record on this point is clear; governments murder far more people, ignoring wartime, than do thugs or crazies . This was known back in 1776 and is the reason for the Second Amendment.  Those who believe the founders were wrong need only look at the next 200+ years of history to see that they were absolutely right -- over 200 million people have been shoved in the hole by government outside of acts of war and every single time they disarmed the population first.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 01:44 | 3068108 WT Sherman
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Psycho your remarks are so stupid and ignorant that breathing probably requires conscious effort for you.

Can a warped pro-gov't hack like you possibly understand that at least 250+ million guns were safely stored away by their owners while one sociopath committed this atrocity???

For someone like you I guess facts don't matter.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:35 | 3066661 Oldwood
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Does belonging to the Tea Party qualify as mental illness. We have long standing laws to prevent truely wacked out people from owning weapons, but when we start down the path of deciding who represents a threat, we will all ultimately qualify. Even you.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:19 | 3066949 MrPalladium
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Sadly, the ffl check is supposed to deny sale permission to those with serious mental illness but hippa laws prevent FBI from tracking those who have been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to a mental hospital or metal ward.

People with schizophrenia and serious bipolar with multiple committments can waltz into any gun store and buy whatever they want unless they have been convicted of a crime and then hospitalized for mental treatment.

In most states it is a crime for anyone who has been committed involuntarily to a mental hospital to be in possession of a firearm. The laws are not enforced.

BTW I am an endowment member of the NRA, and have a son with Schizophrenia.

I should also mention that at age 20, diagnoses of depression, aspergers, bi-polar disorder etc, often are based on early symptoms in minds that are developing into full schizophrenia, schizoaffective, and bipolar disorder with psychotic features.

In my view the right to own a gun should be delayed beyond age 18 for anyone presenting with mild mental disorders untill the age of 30, so that the full extent of any metal illness has time to develop and be diagnosed. And data should be gathered so that FFL checks can catch attempted purchases by such persons.

Of course if I were a gun control advocate I would staunchly oppose denying gun rights to the insane, because that is the group that produces the most horrifying and unpredictable slaughters that are grist for the anti- gun propaganda mill.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 17:41 | 3067136 knowless
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Declared mentally defective by a judicial authority.

You know man, i just.. The walls between disorder and normalcy are so porous, in some locations I'm insane, and others perfectly well adjusted, possibly even gifted, no authority has the capacity to gauge that. Only in extreme circumstances, where an individual has no ability to function within any subset of a society should gun ownership be banned pursuant to their beliefs or understandings of reality.

Sad to say, but that includes religion.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 15:00 | 3068938 MrPalladium
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I also have a daughter who is a psychiatrist, and I can assure you that the clinical criteria for classification are ideology neutral, and quite well defined. The problem is that 80% of the mental health resources are devoted to treating a psychotic episode in which the mentally ill patient has become a danger to himself or others, and then after a week in a mental ward is released while still deeply psychotic and long before he or she has been stabilized to the point that he or she feels and understands the benefits of medication. The mentally ill repeatedly cycle through the system and with each hospitalization they deteriorate.

Our laws prevent effective treatment. Those laws need to be changed so that following the first involuntary committment, the mental health deputies are assigned to make sure that the mentaly ill visit their psychiatrist once a month for a year to get their long lasting shot of medication. Given the recent advent of these shots called "depos" the deprivation of liberty is now minimal relative to imprisonment in a mental institution, and a depo can, despite side effects in many cases, get many first committment patients to the point of medication compliance where they can begin to try out oral medications that have fewer side effects.

Mental health resources should be focused more intensly on that first psychotic break.

But in all events, it is the parents' responsibility to make sure that a mentally ill adult child (almost always living at home with parents) has no access to knives or guns. For those who own guns, securely locked storage is a must.

And in this respect it would appear that the mother is guilty of reckless endangerment, assuming that the behaviours she witnessed would lead a reasonable person to suspect that the erratic behavior the child exhibits might lead to bad outcomes with guns readily at his disposal. Civil liability in this case is a near certainty.

Given that 300 million people live in the U.S. it is a miracle that so few of these extreme cases occur - although there are many thousands of assaults, stabbings and shootings that are carried out by the mentally ill, with parents, siblings and other family members the most frequent victims.  However the most frequent misuse of knives and guns by those with mental illness is suicides which outnumber violent killings of others by a significant margin.

The NRA has consistently called for the strict enforcement of prohibiitions agains felons and the metally ill obtaining firearms. I strongly support that stance and perhaps now more attention will be focused on practical enforcement in the area of keeping firearmes out of the hands of the mentally ill now that the leadership has been reminded, once again, of the political cost of these kinds of admittedly very rare episodes.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:45 | 3067886 nmewn
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"Does belonging to the Tea Party qualify as mental illness."

Yes it does, if you're a demented crony/corporatist socialist!...lol.

Think about where we're at evolutionary (regarding TPer's) at first we were unpatriotic (because we didn't want to bail out Wallstreet)...then we were raaaycists for opposing the Pelosi/O'Barry giveaway to (again) corporations for "health insurance"...now we are no doubt insane slobbering, knuckle dragging, gun totin nutcases who want to kill kids in the classrooms.

To the crony/corporatist socialist's ;-)

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 19:46 | 3067410 JOYFUL
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,,,Ignorance about mental illness runs rampant in our society. It parallels that of financial ignorance...

that is correct. Autism is an effect of the fascisto-pharma programme of mass innoculation\vaccination by means of which heavy metal poisions like mercury are used to undermine the mental and physical health of Merikans from day one...

in the 50s\60s they used the phony polio vacc to inject cancer cells into the human bean...now they have moved on to designer diseases...untreatable, disabling, and the means by which the health care system will be overwhelmed and bankrupted.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 21:30 | 3067630 Cathartes Aura
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from yesterday's thread, bears repeating, particularly if you have children,

Leaked Pentagon Video - Flu Vaccine to Modify Human Behaviour

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 19:59 | 3067438 Cash2Riches
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This is a tragic and sad event. No doubt the government will try to ban guns once again based on this. Sad really.

 

Five Gold & Silver Mistakes.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 11:19 | 3068491 UGrev
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You want to talk about ignorance about mental illness?  It has recently been decreed that the entirety of human emotion is a mental disorder, and you want to "talk" about mental disorder? Go fuck yourself you ignorant schmuck. My 9 year old was doing pre-algebra at 4 years old. He's bored in class and looses focus. Now he's ADD? sure.. let's just pop him some pills so he's no longer exceptional and who knows what that shit really does to your brain development. So I re-iterate... GO FUCK YOURSELF! 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:42 | 3066685 SilverDOG
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Richard Chesler,

The medical assault weapon (flu & friends needle) is the weapon being used against Americans, results thereof; autism and collateral damage.

This needle hangs on every MSM screen, subconsciously imbedding your need, for safety.

Medical Freudian control, create the problem to instill the solution; BY DESIGN.

Needle up Bitchez.


Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:47 | 3066893 blunderdog
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Yah, right, we'll all be much better off if we BRING BACK POLIO!

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:14 | 3067828 Thucydides
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I will bet you that kid was so pharma'd up that when he walked he rattled like a pill bottle. Especially since his mom was rich and could afford every shrink and MD willing to write a prescription.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:08 | 3066942 trollin4sukrz
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I dont like him but hard to argue against this: http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-rant-obama-caught-fake-crying/

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 22:41 | 3067782 ToNYC
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Your gun may be the bad guys best weapon. He's (not so many she's)ready to use yours or his before you knew it and has the drop on you most likely since you were laying back not ready. Self-defense is better dealt with by re-location and other ethical practices.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 00:23 | 3067947 TBT or not TBT
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Relocation...underground, of the perp.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:00 | 3066388 lakecity55
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So That's where the PTB get their recruits!

No doubt a CIA Front.

//s

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:39 | 3066870 ArsoN
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Not sure if humor is appropriate but this actually is kind of funny:  Men as a group have fewer social skills than women. So women with Aspergers will still appear to have more social skills than many men withoutAspergers.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 17:26 | 3067102 kaiserhoff
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More social skills as in gossip, and "renting by the hour?"  I never thought American women's lifestyles were particularly stressful, or for that matter, at all stressful.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 18:15 | 3067206 Miffed Microbio...
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I hope you are referring to soccer moms and trophy wives then I'd have to agree. If you're having a global comparison then I'd have to say men have it quite unstressful in america as well.

Miffed:-)

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 18:25 | 3067230 kaiserhoff
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Depends on whether they have real jobs or gubbermint jobs.  Horses for courses.

The comparisons are not easy, but I have lots of friends in Europe, and you can't catch them working, or stressed, or even pretending to work or be stressed.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 23:47 | 3067891 nmewn
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Vee pretend to vork, zeh pretend to pay.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:42 | 3066352 Tyler Durden
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Or access to facts:

More on this shortly

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 12:44 | 3066356 vast-dom
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precisely! guns actually save lives. facts vs. irrational beliefs.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:11 | 3066425 boogerbently
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In the HEAT of the Newtown massacre, in the "gun free zone", what was the FIRST thing school officials did....call men with guns.

If there had been armed citizens:

In the theatre, in the mall, in the schools, how many lives could have been saved.

The irony of this CONTINUING situation is that the very same liberals that call for a ban on guns are the ones who prohibit mandatory "testing" of known mental defectives. It interferes with their "rights".

(And I find their outrage at killing innocent children, but their support of abortion, and stand against capital punishment, inconsistent thinking.)

I would like to see any research on the increase in parents killing their children since Roe V Wade.

I'm sure that law has caused some "confusion" as to the timetables of such behavior to the less sophisticated/deficient/chemically altered (Valium,Prozac,Paxil) mind.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:23 | 3066460 A Lunatic
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Create Problem, implement solution by banning guns...........

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:27 | 3066628 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Hegelian Dialectical Triad at work:

Thesis,

Antithesis,

Synthesis,

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/hegemony.htm

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:38 | 3066671 boogerbently
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Exactly,

What is their "synthesis" of the "economic/fiscal/debt crisis"?

We could all profit from knowing that.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:25 | 3066831 Anusocracy
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Thesis = low time preference (intelligent person)

Antithesis = high time preference (government)

Synthesis = no time preference (collapse)

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:21 | 3066616 kaiserhoff
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Great perspective in that piece Tyler.  Well done.

But if you seriously want to prevent mass murder, for god sake,

DON'T GIVE YOUR SON THE MIDDLE NAME - WAYNE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...

 

 

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:43 | 3066686 boogerbently
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The lack of ONE name alone brings the entire list into question:

John Wayne Gacy.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:58 | 3066748 kaiserhoff
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Yes, I noticed that.  They missed a few which makes the whole thing even more bizarre.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 19:46 | 3067411 boogerbently
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....who are they protecting???  <sarc>

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:34 | 3066858 Matt
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Without knowing actual numbers of what percentage of people have the middle name Wayne compared to total homicides, that list is interesting but meaningless.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:18 | 3066872 kaiserhoff
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Of course, but how many  murderers are named Matilda?

and wouldn't it give you the heebie-jeebies if you found out there were hundreds?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:32 | 3066981 knukles
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Even scarrier would be if Matilda had the Heebie Jeebies..
And was dating a guy named Mohammed the Tent Maker from Des Moines.

Odd shit happens

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:42 | 3066999 kaiserhoff
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It's one of those thought experiments that can't have much thought behind it, but what if a certain sort of trailer park Momma just loved Wayne Newton?  Ah, shit.  It's happy hour.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 16:57 | 3067025 Matt
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There you go, you just stumbled upon the solution to all the problems in the world: Testosterone.

If we used drugs to treat children from an early age, we can create a peaceful, happy utopia of androgenous metrosexuals.

Testosterone is why men commit violent crimes; I bet if a sample were taken from female criminals, they would have higher than average testosterone. Testosterone is also where risk-taking comes from: no more wild hedge fund managers taking crazy risks. 

Imagine how safe we could all be in a world with no competitiveness, no risk-taking, and no aggression. No more violent crime, no more stock market collapses and recessions, no more wars.

EDIT: well, that and mental illness.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 17:19 | 3067080 kaiserhoff
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They are well on their way with ADD, which oddly enough didn't exist when I was a kid.  It is treated with Ritalin, a stimulant which somehow tranquilizes, and stunts growth, and Aderol, which prevents normal sleep for several nights, then you may sleep for 24 hours, and makes people hyper aggressive - great drug for job security, (and highly addictive).

What would we do without "modern" science to cure boys from being boys?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 19:48 | 3067419 boogerbently
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"If we used drugs to treat children from an early age, we can create a peaceful, happy utopia of androgenous metrosexuals."

Hence the big "Gay is OK" push.

(just sayin')

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