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US Sends 400 Troops, Patriot Missiles To Turkey In Preparation Of Syrian Hostilities Escalation
Update: the logical response did not take long. From moments ago: Iranian Army chief says Patriot missiles in Turkey would set stage for "world war" - ISNA News Agency. We now await a response from Russia, China and other regional powers who may not be quite as comfortable as Turkey with having yet another branch of US liberating forces (especially when it has implications on Russian and Qatari gas pipeline plans) operating in their back yard.
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Even as the Nobel peace prize award-winning administration has been vocally partially withdrawing, but never fully, US troops from various middle eastern nations over the past several years, it appears that it has decided to open up a brand new military front, and position US soldiers in yet another hotspot, which is sure to escalate in the future, namely Syria, where yesterday, quietly in the media blanket coverage of the Newtown tragedy, the Pentagon said that some 400 US troops and several Patriot missile batteries would be stationed as part of a NATO force to protect Turkey from "potential Syrian missile attack."
As the AP reports, "Defense Secretary Leon Panetta signed a deployment order en route to Turkey from Afghanistan calling for 400 U.S. soldiers to operate two batteries of Patriots at undisclosed locations in Turkey, Pentagon press secretary George Little told reporters flying with Panetta." As is well known to those who follow the local conflict, the traditional narrative is that the US is supporting the oppressed Syrian rebellion, which has been fighting the Assad regime as glorious guerrilla freedom fighters. What is less known is that parts if not all of the Syrian rebellion have an "explicit stamp of approval" from Al Qaeda, the same Al Qaeda, which when useful, is carted out to justify US foreign, and at times very domestic, interventions, and the trampling of all civil liberties (see U.S. Terrorism Agency to Tap a Vast Database of Citizens) , in various other parts of the world.
During a brief stop at Incirlik Air Base, Panetta told U.S. troops that Turkey might need the Patriots, which are capable of shooting down shorter-range ballistic missiles as well as aircraft.
He said he approved the deployment "so that we can help Turkey have the kind of missile defense it may very well need to deal with the threats coming out of Syria," he said.
The U.S., Germany and the Netherlands are the only NATO members who have the upgraded PAC-3 missiles, capable of missile interception. Each battery has an average of 12 missile launchers, a NATO official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because alliance regulations do not allow him to speak on the record.
In a statement issued Friday NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu said "the deployment will be defensive only."
"It will not support a no-fly zone or any offensive operation. Its aim is to deter any threats to Turkey, to defend Turkey's population and territory and to de-escalate the crisis on NATO's south-eastern border," Lungescu said.
Panetta did not mention how soon the two Patriot batteries will head to Turkey or how long they might stay.
Earlier this week in Berlin, German Deputy Foreign Minister Michael Link told lawmakers that current plans call for the missile sites to be stationed at Kahramanmaras, about 60 miles north of Turkey's border with Syria. Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said Thursday that the Netherlands, Germany and the U.S. are working closely with Turkey "to ensure that the Patriots are deployed as soon as possible." But he predicted they would not become operational before the end of January. Turkey joined NATO in 1952, three years after the alliance was formed.
At Incirlik Air Base, about 60 miles north of the Syrian border, an Air Force member asked Panetta what the US would do if Syria used chemical or biological weapons against the rebels. Panetta said he could not be specific in a public setting, but added, "we have drawn up plans" that give President Barack Obama a set of options in the event that U.S. intelligence shows that Syria intends to use such weapons.
What was not asked is how NATO and the US would react if instead of the Assad regime, a false flag "attack" was launched by the Al Qaeda controlled Syrian rebels, always willing to escalate the conflict. From the NYT:
The lone Syrian rebel group with an explicit stamp of approval from Al Qaeda has become one of the uprising’s most effective fighting forces, posing a stark challenge to the United States and other countries that want to support the rebels but not Islamic extremists.
Money flows to the group, the Nusra Front, from like-minded donors abroad. Its fighters, a small minority of the rebels, have the boldness and skill to storm fortified positions and lead other battalions to capture military bases and oil fields. As their successes mount, they gather more weapons and attract more fighters.
The group is a direct offshoot of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Iraqi officials and former Iraqi insurgents say, which has contributed veteran fighters and weapons.
“This is just a simple way of returning the favor to our Syrian brothers that fought with us on the lands of Iraq,” said a veteran of Al Qaeda in Iraq, who said he helped lead the Nusra Front’s efforts in Syria.
Basically, the US is implicitly supporting Al-Qaeda, even as it dispatches of its leader in a quiet burial at sea, witnessed by what appears to be absolutely nobody.
Unexpectedly, someone did ask Panetta the right question: i.e., how Syria would respond to what is obviously an offensive escalation by NATO (and US) forces. The answer confirmed that when it comes to playing its now obsolete role of Globocop, it's fire "defensive" missiles first, ask questions later:
Asked by another Air Force member whether he thought Syria would "react negatively" to the Patriot deployments, Panetta said, "I don't think they have the damn time to worry" about the Patriots since the regime's leaders are struggling to stay in power.
He indicated that Syria's reaction to the Patriots was not a major concern to him.
Separately, NATO will deploy its Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft, or AWACS, to Turkey on a training exercise this month, the NATO said.
He said the exercise was not connected to the deployment of the Patriots.
The aircraft, which can detect launches of ground-to-ground missiles, will exercise command and control procedures as well as test the connectivity of various NATO and Turkish communications and data sharing systems, the official said.
Clearly, the US military is finally preparing for a major push in hostilities against the Assad regime, and as a result we expect the amount of false flag developments will surge. We don't expect the mainstream media to dare to ask why the US is - openly - supporting an Al Qaeda funded and organized resistance.
What certainly will not be asked by anyone is how Russia and China will respond to what is a clear escalation in the redrawing of geopolitical balance of power vis-a-vis what has become the most divisive military hotspot currently in the world.
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Will Turkey pay for the missiles in gold, too?
They will just give us the turkey.....that lays the golden eggs.
"Johnny ~ Check the Radar Range..."
~~~
Johnny: "A couple of more minutes"
Americans just love to be killed, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fucking idiots.
shut up. this is what we're good at. hell we don't build shit anymore. AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
Just one more excuse to keep our hands in the cookie jar...and by cookie jar I mean Middle Eastern oil production.
Despite America's energy renaissance, we still need cheap Mid-East oil on the world market to keep prices and competition in check.
Still won't prevent resource wars in the future...
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/12/13/chart-the-path-to-resource-wars/
Turkey for Christmas ... A Christmas Turkey ... Whatever. Is the idea to keep using weapons so that we can restock and add 1% or so to next quarter's GDP?
It's all fun and games until the entire world turns on the criminal bankers and puts them all in prison labor death camps.
Karma is a real son of a bitch
Seems to me our ally Pakistan needs to ask for this kind of missile shield too. They seem to be on the receiving end of lots of missiles coming across their borders and blowing up lots of civilians, too. Um...oh wait...
American Energy Renassance is easily the grandest PR stunt the MSM has unvieled in the last decade, maybe longer. This compares with NAFTA creating jobs - both are farcical.
The fact remains that although fracking is increasing shale oil production and unlocking NG, there will never be a way to replace crude oil with NG.
Also there is the farce that is the Canadian Tar Sands, where the break point on making any money is $80/b.
NG and tar sands can mitigate some of the US' energy needs in the short run, but in the long run nothing will replce light sweet crude.
So True.
Can't make plastic out of NG so that means 95% of everything you buy and probably own.
JohnnyB, I believe that you are incorrect, natural gas is the feedstock for most petrochemicals and then plastics.
I fear it's just a matter of time, maybe even days, before the world shares the apocalyptic vision I had that began with seeing a special report of a chemical SCUD missile attack on Israel:
http://youtu.be/qApKCmYnY70
Not really. Any "organic" compound can be used to various degrees of success and durability. NG is on the shit tier side of plastics. If you've got it as a replacement. Buy a box of whatever it is you are buying because you'll be replacing it monthly in any industrial application. So NG is useful, but it's use is limited.
Monomers (ethylene, propylene, styrene, phenol, formaldehyde, ethylene glycol, vinyl chloride and acetonitrile) and polynomers require sweet light crude to give it the density to provide both safety and durability. Of course some sort of catalyst is needed to do that like acids, pressure and heat to allow it to take a shape. NG is on the expensive side of things because, well, it's a gas. Requires significant cooling and energy to bring a gas into a form that can be manipulated physically.
It's like saying saran wrap is the same as the piece of plastic acting as the rubber foot to a couch or a chair. It's just not a replacement. At that point it's safer and cheaper to develop with another material like wood or pig iron.
The line in sand: Today, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi says Iran will never allow any Western plots to oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to succeed.
Iran cannot allow American/Zionist military on its boarder. The British channel save England from a Nazi invasion and an occupation in 1940. Syria plays the same role protecting Iran. Furthermore, Iranian ground forces positioned on Israeli/Syrian border will easy overrun Israel. Consequently, Zionist leaders and their American servants will think many times before entertaining a Syria invasion and an all-out war with Iran.
Resource war?
You're soaking in it ...
One lousy showman and former US President Ronald Reagan has called Muslim religious fanatics “freedom fighters”. Just wait before these “freedom fighters” (better described as terrorists) come to America.
PS
Some people call R. Reagan a great President. Well, it was Reagan
- Who thought that budget deficits are great. Reagan is the real father of today US economics and FED policies.
- Who gave a great amnesty to illegals
- Who permitted to convert financial markets into gambling casinos
- Who brought all these great neo-cons into domestic and foreign policies command positions
- Who always was saying one thing and was doing totally opposite
It took for good many American people at least 6 years to see that the man had a dementia and he did not know a shit of what he was doing!
"No Fly Zone" in 3....2....1...
Boogeyman boogeyman whoop whoop...
Notice the war announcement on Saturday...distracted people shopping and talking about the flase flag op in CT, god bless tham all.
ARREST EVERYONE OF THESE CRIMINALS!!! Problem solved. America would be safe from our domestic terrorists in our government-Crony Capitalists-International Banksters all preying on our citizenry, their wealth, and their health,
MAKE AMERICA FREE, FOR YOU, AND FOR ME...
Anyone heard of Iskander?
Why deploy Patriot?
The Russians have snuck the Iskander into Syria.
As wise Mr. Miyagi says:
"Best defense, no be there!"
And the hits just keep on comin'... 9 minutes past the hour of 11 o'clock -- staaaay stuck!
+ 1 Manthong. I'll take "Gold for Missiles" for 3000 kgs, Alex.
Patriots only get deployed before a war starts. Every country in that region will now have them. UAE Saudi Kuwait Egypt Israel Iraq.
Probably more to do with the next step to Iran not so much Syria.
IMO
Indeed,by not specifying where exactly they are being deployed who is
to know if they are put on the Iran/Turkey border.
The MANPADS shipped from Al Qaeda in Libya to Al Qaeda in Syria seems
to have tipped the scales against Assad.The assault pathway to Iran will
soon be clear.
2013 is promising to be an epic year for US sponsored aggression in the ME.
The Sino Russian response is going to be critical.The Doomsday clock is close to
chiming, maybe for us all .
It's a pity Russia doesn't engage in covert operations, otherwise now would be a good time for a full-scale Kurdic uprising in Turkey along with massive anti-war demonstrations (getting violent, of course) in all major Turkish cities...
Maybe Russia and China want a certain amount of turmoil in the ME and they are sitting back sharpening their swords for when the want to engage.
I don't know much about China, but 21st century Russian military doctrine is entirely defensive. Putin is not a fool, he knows the Zionists will eventually come after his country (again) and he's preparing. He also knows history's lesson of "what goes around comes around" and is trying not to stir up things even more. He's drawn his line in the sand, now it's the Z-boys' move...
Try to look at the number of airbases and radar installations that have been taken over by the "rebels"
They even took one in the middle of nowhere deep south-east bordering Iraq.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/17/us-syria-crisis-airport-idUSBR...
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Deir+al-Zour (GOOG Map of province Deir al-Zor - estimated location)
Recently there has been discussion of setting up a "No-Fly Zone"... and we all know what a No Fly Zone decree turned into back in Libya.
Wouldn’t that be funny to catapult some old rusty oil drums up and over at the patriots just to see if ya could set some off and how much you could cost the US taxpayers per missile launch.
I am speaking figuratively of course but you get the point.
What if the missle launchers have missles other than Patriots in them? I am thinking that all Syria knows is that a mess-o-missles is now just itching to blow up something. Frightening actually. Will Turkey pay? Heck, everyone will pay.
Maybe, but right now Turkey is happy that it is OUR troops (not theirs) that are being used as false flag cannon fodder BAIT.
Syria is NOT A THREAT TO U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY (or Israel's, for that matter). Our government has lost it! God help us.
WWIII is already underway. According to Gordon Duff, the moves against Syria and Iran, are really all about Russia:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/14/232660/
Someone drops a starters pistol and a shot rings out....then it's on like donkey kong.
SHould be OK.....I hear they're just calling it a police action. Whatever the hell that means.
i think that is what happens when a small farmer tries to sell a bottle of raw milk... a swat team of fully armed federal agents shoots him on sight and burns his farm down.... to protect people, or something.
We Americans are apparently a warrior people.
Nah! yer just Nutters....waul, most you, must be a few still sane....?
Ah, Turkey.
A nation that's friendly to the US, with a large coastline, on the right side of Iraq/Iran to our BFF Israel.
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Bolsheviks? That sounds sooo 19th century... Perhaps they are really Orcs.
Or Sleestaks.
BINGO! john39. It is ALL about Russia. The moves right now are to secure the entire Middle East and then move north into the former Soviet Central Asian Republics. That puts NATO on Russia's southern flank and China's western flank, with the US Navy and Marines holding China's eastern flank and Russia's far eastern flank. There is already talk in Washington about prying away Russia's Far Eastern districts along the Amur and Vladivistok.
NATO and the US have a grand plan and, yes, it probably means world war.
China, Russia, hmmm ... bullish for rare earths.
For a military tactician you shure are purty ;O)
NATO and the US have a grand plan and, yes, it probably means world war.
The shortest path to full employment.......and profits, lots of luverly profits....
Duff's piece is quite interesting, and even necessitates a reappraisal of his status, which seems to veer back and forth from compromised disinfo outlet for the sionist moneypowerz to reputable reportage as was the case with VT before the backstage putsch which took place some time early in 2011...which resulted in the infamous..."Invade Libya - America's moral imperative" outrage in February of that year...
In this case, he has accurately reported that the Russian Iskander missile is probably the only thing keeping the ZATO alliance thugs at bay, tho they be baying at the foxhole with their aircraft carriers, missle launching sites, and media blitz...
they are scared. Syria will not go quietly into the night, like Libya, but more importantly, Iran will take whatever measures necessary to avoid being ringfenced by the sionists...total war is just around the corner.
take everything Duff writes with a large grain of salt, but there's some gold in that dross if you pan carefully.
I guess we haven't had enough of the "retards killing children" news stories yet today.
probably more accurate to say stories about SSRI's triggering murderous rampages.
I was one town away from one of the first major school shootings when I was in HS so maybe I am jaded but I haven't really thought much about the shooting. One of my girl friends though was deeply upset and I understand how people will wail after this. It is very sad.
But shit is so fucked up in America what else are we supposse to expect? It is not the violent video games, it is that the parents do not explain to their children that the games are not real. It is not the TV and movies but it is that the parents do not explain that these mediums are pure entertainment. It is not the guns but the fact that America does not properly educate the status quo on the right to bear arms and why we gave ourselves this right.
Not an expert of course but to me I would not be surprised if the school shooting was seen as a pretext for Damascus to sent fighter bombers against Aleppo. http://www.npr.org/2012/12/16/167382008/syrian-warplanes-blast-mosque-as... obviously such an horrific event as what happened in Newtown, CT will cause America to draw inward...in my time living in the so called "third world" i was always amazed at their breadth and depth of knowledge in US domestic issues...something far greater than i've found even Americans had. Surprising to say the least...and this was decades ago and before i-phones and windows based computer systems which now transmit information globally instantaneously. that includes ILLEGALLY OBTAINED information i might add. another interesting aspect to the Syrian "Civil War" is the long battle between Aleppo and Damascus. ("Aleppo" is actually the Italian name for the City of over 2 million. It goes by a different name in Arabic.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleppo before the Suez Canal this City was THE major trading hub in the Middle East...and i would not be surprised if the Patriot Missile Batteries aren't being located on that border in order to protect this City which appears to have already moved against the Assad regime and set up their own Government: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/world/middleeast/syrians-face-severe-b... Aleppo is already a booming City...should Egypt close the Suez Canal and Iran block the Strait of Hormuz it will become more valuable still. Hard to imagine at the turn of the 20th century there were only 20,000 people living there.
Bullish for silver as more gets vaporized.
Always gearing up to fight the previous war.
Aren't all wars previous wars? The only one that hasn't surfaced for a while is the US/Indian wars. Now that some Indians have casinos, they fight amongst themselves.
Native Americans were ring fenced, given poor lands to farm, and with not many ways to create wealth, they have relied on gambling for income. This way of creating income is also very dangerous as it created a huge wealth gap: those who run the casinos are few and they do not share their wealth with the rest of their people.
You are correct about the wealth gap. And less money than you may think goes to the tribe. The tribal members that want to be "modern" embrace it; and they generally try to utilize the money for good things in the community; but not always necessary things, and not always for the community; and it's a downward trend. The more traditional of us see it for the rapid cultural destruction that it is. Sure, the money may help sometimes, but it really breeds a certain dependence that I am not comfortable with as well. I think that we would be able to take care of ourselves just fine without it; only most have forgotten how and do not care to relearn.
Goddamn casinos. I was talking to an ivy league economist the other day about the casinos my state is trying to bring in. He thinks it's a great idea. First says I, little late no? Second where is the value added? Churn, moving money from one sector to the economy to another is not the same as adding value. Third, they are exploitive; the money typically comes from those who can least afford to spend it, distracting them from thinking about how to make real money for themselves by working and by adding value. I did meet a wealthy, drunk Indian (from India) once in the airport, he was travelling around the globe dumping his (inherited) money on casinos and hookers, but those types are few and far between in your average state run or Amerindian casino. Anyway, he looked at me like I had two heads. He was trained at Williams, I clearly did not understand shit. LOL.
Well add to that list "economic stimulus" that comes from stadiums, sporting events, etc. ..... bread and circuses generally.
Hang on a sec here. I will agree that they were ring fenced, and their lands polluted however...
I had a friend from a small tribe in Texas. He would show up to Pow-wow every year and walk away with a check for $35K (in 1998 dollars). My understanding is that this is, or at least was, quite commonplace among tribes.
Mmmm, if only you would finish one occasionally!
The LONG GREY LINE is alive and well..........ring knockers enjoying a merry Christmas........
when does it all end?
Only Mayor Bloomberg seems to know the answer to that.....of course that cat seems to have the answer to just about everything.
What banning Big Gulps in that area of the world will calm everyone down?
Bloomberg, that fascist - I wanna scream everytime I see him yapping about something. I wish Mr. Anti-Big Gulp would swallow a Big Gulp of Drain-O.
Oh yeah -- for the gubermint email scanners reading this...I am not threatening a public official...just wishful thinking that he'd take on the act himself.
The enemy of my enemy is also my enemy, but I will use him if I can stick the knife into Iran's buddy, Assad. There are no good guys here in this part of the world, (other than Israel). Is that not yet plain?
And Syria embroiled in perpetual strife is better than a whole Syria, strong and purposeful, funneling arms to Hezbollah. Also there are no solutions in this part of the world, only a struggle to the Death.
That's a pretty good summary of the strategy the US has in place in that part of the world. I'm hoping you just forgot the /sarc off tag, but you've got the strategy nailed.
Few people understand this, but Machiavelli was just joking, too.
Umm a bit like the bible a book of stories that got a bit out of hand. Who knows in a thousand years Harry Potter might actually be a god.
Harry Potter is not a god?
Always a joke till someone loses an eye.
The Fed has already printed the money for this war and promised to print more.
Remember the good old days of the gold standard when just the Vietnam war forced US off the gold standard on August 15, 1971. Fiat currencies allow far more wars and destruction. Has Obama said no to any war?
The Generals are running the country.
...along with the banks.
The relationship is symbiotic.
If I could just borrow some money to kill people today,
I'll gladly pay you Tuesday.
The Postman always rings twice. Sorry, duplicate.
Netherlands sent 2 units also with up to 360 trupps, germany the same
french carrier also near syria... the war is inevitable.
What are the French there to surrender?
French battle rifles for sale on Gunbroker: never fired and only dropped once.
awesome. I'd like to know the general who made that one up.
Your sovereignty.
I wouldn't worry about the French they will only join in when the winner is obvious, and then demand they lead the victory parade!
Approaching full speed astern ?
Just assuming that their ships are like their tanks.
One foward ,and four reverse gears, plus overdrive.
Only the Italians outdo with 6 reverse gears, and no forward.
Stupid idea to sent European troops to Turkey. The Turks are the enemy, we should sent troops to Greece or Syria to defend them.
Europe hates Turkey. A nice nuclear tactical skirmish would solve a lot of problems.
when they run out of wars [over there] they will have one here
Does no one remember the 8" artillery units(nuke capable) the US had stationed in Turkey and Iran in 50s-70s.
I was stationed outside Istanbul in the early 70's on a NATO base called Karamursel Common Defense Installation (KCDI). I was part of an Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) unit that was in Turkey illegally. Our main job was to be able render safe (RSP) Nike Hercules nuclear missiles located not far from the Russian border should one become unstable. While I was not aware of any 8" nuclear delivery systems, I did know that we had 155 mm rounds with nuclear capability (uranium target rings with neutron generator).
I have read several commenters regarding the Turks in terms of military readiness, etc. Having been on Turkish military bases (Chakmakli) and witnessisng the soldiers there, I can only say I would not want to fuck with them. Then again it was the 70's and practically everyone (US) I knew was smoking hash thus not really interested in being a good soldier. Party on Garth.....
155mm = 6.1"
8"? Close enough. Just stuff some wadded up newspaper in the gap, there.
203mm arty shell is the one you're looking for, at least thats what the russkis had, not sure on the exact USA shell size.
Way to earn that Noble Peace Prize year in and year out Mr. Obama. You sir are a credit to all presidents. Wow first the shooting and now this. Anything to get the economic fiasco off the headlines.
World domination makes for strange bedfellows
Call it a draw now and go home. Pretty please..... No takers? At least throw in some S-400 SAM's, some Shkval's and a bunch of Iskander's on the other side to make it a little more of a "fair fight" when this shit goes hot(er).
Suleiman the Magnificent the dream never dies
Empires throughout history have collapsed under the weight of their Military.
Obama should have spent less time in the Choom Wagon and more time in the Library, reading history.
Remember...he failed to hold the massive bong hit...now he has to forfeit ;o)
I sincerely doubt that fucker has ever cracked a serious book in his life.
Has OChoombla ever read The autobiography of Malcolm X? Doubt it.
Read anything by or about JFK, or understand what made him a real leader, or have any clue why he was taken out? Doubt it.
Familiar with the words of MLK? How about the speech that got him taken out. Doubt it again.
Understand the paralells between such authentic leaders as Robert E Lee and Vo Nguyen Giap? err Doubt it.
Read anything by Dr Helen Caldicott? phhht, right. Who?
How about Money..., John Kenneth Galbraith. Any fucking clue at all regarding how banks are meant to operate/create money. The difference between hard and fractional reserve money. The fucking definition of specie? Political economy?
Ever read anything at all by anyone who has actually experienced total war either as a general officer, enlisted person, or civilian?
Ever heard of the fire bombing of Dresden? Any clue what Dresden meant from a human cultural standpoint?
Have any goddamn thought in his head at all beyond his next fucking blowjob???
Oh dear lord, I'm ranting...
/rant
Russia has already responded to this US deployment to Syria's border. This Patriot news has been around for some weeks already and Russia has had due time to make their first move.
The first move was to send Russian S-400 mobile anti aircraft missile batteries to their border with Turkey. S-400 is the most modern mobile AA system in the world right now. Many consider it superior to Patriot. It is long range and can engage all ranges of air threats.
Russia then delivered through the Syrian port of Tartus a newer model Iskander surface to surface missile system to Syria's armed forces. Iskander might be called a perfect Patriot killer. I suggest to Google Iskander and see it's capabilites. Very impressive and was used against Georgian Tank forces in the SOuth Ossetian war. In short, an elite Georgian tank brigade was destroyed at it's base by an Iskander attack. Since Russia can not compete with NATO airforces, they have chosen to develop surface to surface missile systems designed to defeat any NATO attempt to stop them. That is why I say Iskander can either kill the Patriot batteries, or, using cluster bomb warheads take out any unit of the Free Syrian Army they need to.
I don't know China's stance in this show down. But both Russia and China must know that the Syrian take down is step one in a NATO take over of Syria, Lebanon and then Iran. Once that is done, the US and NATO control the entire Middle East. Do Russia and CHina really want that. Central Asia would follow, the old Soviet Southern Republics would be targeted and then China's western provinces. This is no joke, we have seen what NATO is prepared to do, they are on the march.
Surf to surf sounds more appropriate for the scenario you yourself described: attempts at clawing back breakaway states.
Do you suppose NATO remembered to borrow a couple hundred tons of Yttrium and assorted Lanthanides from China before the shooting starts?
When should I expect the blockade?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRtmLalf2gk
Turkey is a wonderful nation with many great innovations not the least of which is the Turkish torture method
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VrrCCJNq2I
Ask Mr Panos all about them.
Obama is practicing gun control.
U.S., Saudi Arabia strike $30 billion arms deal http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/us-saudi-... Say it with me: Obama is a sociopathic sock puppet who gets to sleep in the whitehouse.
sheds a fake tear for cameras after a horrific child slaughter on U.S. soil... two hours later, sends drones to rip apart a couple pakastani kids gathering firewood (no doubt got hard in anticipation). yes, the sick and evil are in control (for now).
Seems he can't be both sock puppet and sociopath at once, more likely the former on the hand of the latter, also known as the military industrial corporate welfare complex.
Remind me again why defense spending is never on the table in these "debt debates"?
Do you not want thuggish governments in SA to ensure the flow of black gold to your SUV instead of conserving and letting the despots of middle eastern regimes hang from the pipelines?
Never forget to count the full cost of that tank of gas.
Natural gas is a proven technology for powering vehicles economically and is "greener" than gasoline. We have LOTS of natural gas. We have so much that apparently some companies are thinking of building petrochemical and plastics plants here in the US (jobz, bitchez).
Here is proof that even poor countries can power vehicles with CNG and LPG:
http://tinyurl.com/9w9texx
The EROEI of NG is half that to oil (global average). The EROEI of oil to shale is 5 times greater.
Oil (global average): 19:1
NG: 10:1
Oil Shale: 4:1 (at its best)
Sorry Doc, but NG is not an alternative to maintain our current lifestyle.
"Maintain our current lifestyle" is not an option as we slide down the backside of Hubbert's production curve. Of course NG doesn't look too good there, either. Because it is less viscous, NG production goes from too-much-to-handle to nothing at all in just a few years, while liquid hydrocarbons can be produced from stripper wells for decades.
It seems likely that the current lifestyle will not be maintained.
LH! Yes, I will stipulate that your figures are correct. In Peru's case, there is a BIG and easy to exploit field of natural gas which has helped them transform their economy.
Natural gas is cheap and easy to use in Peru as vehicle fuel. We spent $1000 to convert one of our vehicles to use LPG (they also use compressed natural gas in vehicles as well), and we pay about 50% less to drive our vehicle around. We get that $1000 back in less than a year. THAT is what I was writing about at the link.
+ 1 for observations, now go read my article and see what Peru is up to, and what may be possible here! I certainly cannot claim that NatGas will solve all or most of our energy problems. But, Peru shows us that it can help solve SOME.
Cool diagram, seems like they have the same marketing department as Apple.
Notice the absense of the word "the" in "this is how Pariot works."
Profit! For someone.
The Patriots are rather irrelevant militarily (since Syria is not much of a threat to Turkey). The U.S. is simply trying to shore up relations with Turkey after working to stop the Turkey-Iran-gold-for-oil program by demonstrating the will to share some its best military equipment with the Turks.
Turkey effectively acts as a buffer between Russia and the Middle East, and Russia and Turkey are historic adversaries (of the first order). There is not much to see here at this time. I would expect some response from Russia, however. That is when things may get interesting. Do not be surprised if Russia publicly moves anti-ship missiles into Syria... to measure the U.S. response. Then we will see what Panetta and the buffoons at .gov have to say.
You forgot the sarcastic quotes around "best military equipment".
No worries. Mr. John Kerry will soon be on the job (officially and shit).
(from Drudge)
http://www.suntimes.com/17019560-761/source-obama-has-chosen-john-kerry-...
He'll bore our enemies foreign and domestic into surrender with a single drawn out incoherent speech.
Jack Burton,just to let you know,that Russia has not border with Turkey right now.
In USSA, Syria is Iran's path to the sea.
Thanks valkir, I am living in the past I guess. Reports are that the S-400 are deployed in Russia's southern military district. Not border with Turkey like you say.
Who is the US going to put in charge of Syria or are they just going in to wipe out Arab families like in the rest of the Mid East.
Sure glad I don't pay Federal taxes.
Forget the fiscal cliff. There is a fiscal agenda and that agenda is Empire, war paid for by the maxed out American taxpayer, with so-called Republican conservatives willing to accept higher tax rates in exchange for no cuts in the Leviathan’s obscene military budget.
Many Democrats are happy to accept those terms; but, wait, rising opposition in both parties would keep big Pentagon cuts on the table - and now, a rising opposition among American citizens, tired of war, is connecting Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq and the rest with the new Syrian intervention. Justin Raimondo offers background on this opposition to Empire:
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The Amash Rebellio: Foreign Policy, military spending, and the "fiscal cliff" by Justin Raimondo, December 14, 2012 | Antiwar.com
Americans are sick and tired of war, they are incredulous when they see their own country going down the tubes while our preening politicians plot "regime change" in faraway lands, and they positively hate "foreign aid. So why – if the US is a "democracy," and government reflects the popular will — are we threatening Iran, training Syrian "rebels," and increasing military and economic assistance to key allies? The reasons are rooted in our two party system, and the "left-right," red-state/blue state mindset that dominates our politics.
While the two major parties are in conflict so often that "responsible" centrists make whole careers our of descrying "Washington gridlock," on the other hand their relationship is also characterized by symbiosis. With the Democrats as the party of the Welfare State, and Republicans the party of the Warfare State, when budget time rolls around the debate boils down to guns-vs-butter (to conjure a phrase from the Sixties). This showdown at the congressional corral usually results in the Democrats getting their butter, the Republicans getting their guns, and we just keep printing and borrowing money.
That’s the deal that has kept what Murray Rothbard called the Welfare-Warfare State humming, lo these many years, with nary a peep of meaningful protest from either the left or the right. This cozy arrangement, however, is coming apart.
What’s different, this time around, is that the "fiscal cliff" looms large. In belated recognition of the fact that we are, after all, bankrupt, and living on borrowed money (and, perhaps, borrowed time), our esteemed solons have set up a "fiscal cliff" scenario: if a budget agreement isn’t reached in a specified time period, "sequestration" will go into effect, with huge cuts (huge, that is, by Washington standards) slated to take effect in virtually every area of government. Yes, even including the "Defense" Department – but it’s best to ignore the howls coming from the Pentagon, the neocons, and the military-industrial complex.
That these "cuts" in the military budget will actually keep spending at an historic high underscores a typical Washington ruse: anything less than projected spending (which is always ascending) is a "cut," even if it isn’t. Ever since 9/11, military spending has skyrocketed, and – in spite of everything, including our looming "fiscal cliff" – shows no signs of slowing down.
That this level of spending is unsustainable without tax increases, or an "austerity" budget that would create some real pain for the most vulnerable and politically powerless, has created a conundrum for the Republicans, who are supposedly opposed to tax hikes. Backed into a corner, they must choose between their love of lavishing taxpayer dollars on the military — even going against the recommendations of the Pentagon — and their "principled" opposition to higher taxes.
Guess which choice they’re making.
Rather than cut a single dime from a trillion dollar military colossus, they’re suddenly "open" to the idea of "revenue enhancement" (never say the t-word!) – and the GOP leadership is busy purging those conservatives who have spoken out against this brazen betrayal. Reps. Justin Amash (R-Michigan) and Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas) were recently kicked off the House Budget Committee for not toeing the party line on military spending. Walter B. Jones, the heroic Republican congressman who made passionate speeches against the Iraq and Afghan wars, formerly on the Financial Services Committee, has met the same fate, along with a passel of House conservatives who have signaled their willingness to consider real cuts in military appropriations. As Rep. Amash put it:
"I can tell you that to different degrees, Tim Huelskamp and even Walter Jones have taken positions on military spending that are a little more open to compromise on that issue — working with Democrats to try and find ways to reduce spending… I don’t know if that’s the common thread for sure, but it’s certainly true about all of us that we’re more open to that. I think they [Republican leaders] are willing to raise taxes to avoid any defense cuts, and I think they’re willing to take any deals, even bad ones, to avoid defense cuts."
The neoconservative charlatans who constitute the intellectual and political leadership of the GOP have never really believed in their small government "no-new-taxes" rhetoric: that’s just boilerplate they dust off and display on purely ceremonial occasions (like presidential primaries). When push comes to shove, however, and they are forced to choose between fiscal sanity and America’s imperial pretensions, they always choose the latter – or, at least, the leadership does…
The nightmare [to the neoconservatives] is that the Republican deal-makers, who have sold out their conservative constituency time and time again on the tax issue, are finally facing a rebellion within their own party – one that threatens to put them out of business…
Continue at
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/12/13/the-amash-rebellion/
nice stuff...
thankyou
Big deal. Turkey is a NATO country. We have troops coming in and out of there all the time. What's next? Some Marines rotate into Okinawa and that will be perceived as the prelude to an invasion of Japan?
You know what your problem is, pussycat? Anything less than ALL OUT FUCKING BLITZKRIEG is just "rotation" to you idiots. What you just described IS the war and WASTE associated with maintaining EMPIRE and conducting "SECURITY" and CONTAINMENT.
But you're right. These "meaningless" rotations are ongoing... ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
YOu sound just like the majority of useful morons inside this beltway that CHEER the fact that your government stipend RAYTHEON TDY per diem must be spent in its entirety. That your billing must be for ALL OF IT. No prelude, it just IS. Hooooooo-rah.
Ho humming the meaningless NEED to send contractors here, and there, and back again. The billing, the loans, the contracts MUST GO ON!!!! BIG DEAL you say?
This isn't PRELUDE to war, you dumbass. THIS IS WAR. Its a constant. War for the scarcity that has become "growth".... So obvious, so wasteful, SO IN YOUR FUCKING FACE you can't see it... To NUMBED DOWN DUMBED DOWN morons like you war is only war if it has the necessary media component called INVASION... Otherwise, it's just ROTATION.
And all the while that Raytheon dingaling who runs around spending your money while working for the "private sector"....... The most difficult part of his day is GETTING UP IN THE MORNING.
Fine with you, cuz its ferrrr nato.
Don't worry. The next World War that you are hoping for will come someday. Just not today. So get your dehydrated rations and get under your bed and let life pass you by. If it's anyone who is brainwashed, it's people like you. MUST...BE...NEGATIVE..ALL...THE...TIME. You buy into any BS conspiracy theory some kook floats in front of you.
Yeah that's brilliant, bumpkin. Was that reply even meant for me? Cuz if it was, YOU... DIDN'T... READ... A... WORD... I... WROTE.
Yeah. Well listen. You have a website run by a few people who were banned by the securities industry for being crooked. They complain that everyone else is crooked, too. Misery loves company. Go figure. THen, they get into geopolitics, of which they know nothing about. "3 aircraft carriers heading for the mideast" Must be the beginning of WW3?LOL.They do that all the time. Wake up. Better get under the bed. The end is coming, idiot!
Yeah. Well listen. You have a website run by a few people who were banned by the securities industry for being crooked. They complain that everyone else is crooked, too. Misery loves company. Go figure. THen, they get into geopolitics, of which they know nothing about. "3 aircraft carriers heading for the mideast" Must be the beginning of WW3?LOL.They do that all the time. Wake up. Better get under the bed. The end is coming, idiot!
Big deal. Turkey is a NATO country. We have troops coming in and out of there all the time. What's next? Some Marines rotate into Okinawa and that will be perceived as the prelude to an invasion of Japan?
Pax Americana, Come Hell or High Water! The Alternative, (believe it or not), is WORSE.
Don't fret now you cock-eyed idealists, the WORSE will be here soon enough when our Reserve Currency is no more, and we can only project power here at home. (And you know what that means).
Find a very deep hole to avoid the pogroms.
And this, then, is the excuse for Empire, that unless WE put military bases all around the world, leverage our banking monopoly against our allies such as Germany to support our war making and firebomb the innocents-who-dare-to-react any time they raise their heads, WE will suffer financially.
It’s Dick Cheney, Michael Bloomberg, and the Rothschilds arm-in-arm (with Likud), bludgeoning the world for oil and world government.
This is a different Al Qaida
This is Uncle Al Kayda...the long lost relative u only see around holidays, weddings and funerals.
Don't forget the bar mitzvahs. Always Uncle Al made the bar mitzvah special.
I wanna be a congressperson:
Fly into work on Tuesday - oogle interns and go to lunch and dinner with lobbyists
Wednesday - oogle interns and go to lunch and dinner with lobbyists..
Thursday - oogle interns, go to lunch with lobbyists and fly home for the weekend and read what executive orders the President has declared
Friday to Monday...not so good. Playing golf with ass-hats and listening to the trophy-wife whine.
Hey! If we could just start a war or something...I could spend all weekend in Washington.
Hookers and Blow. Rock on!
What was not asked is how NATO and the US would react if instead of the Assad regime, a false flag “attack" was launched by the Al Qaeda controlled Syrian rebels, always willing to escalate the conflict. --Tyler
Policy expert, Dr. Patrick Clawson, at a meeting of the pro-Israel Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) in a speech that went viral on the Internet, openly argues for a false-flag event to ignite war with Iran.
“We can do a variety of things if we wish to increase the pressure. I’m not advocating that. But I’m just suggesting that this is not an either-or proposition—that….sanctions have to succeed or other things. We are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians. We could get nastier at that.”
Clawson, discussing crisis-initiation, drives in his point: “And it’s very hard for me to see how the U.S. president can get us to war with Iran---which leads me to conclude that if in fact compromise is not coming, then the traditional way America gets to war is what would be best for U.S. interests.”
As to the “traditional way” to catapult the nation into war, it's false flags. Clawson cites Lincoln and Fort Sumter and the Civil War, McKinley and the mysterious sinking of the American battleship Maine and the Spanish-American War, Woodrow Wilson and the Lusitania and WWI, FDR and cutting off oil supplies to Japan/Pearl Harbor and WWII, Lyndon Johnson and the distorted Gulf of Tonkin incident and Vietnam…
“So if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war," says Clawson, who directs the Iran Security Initiative and formerly was a senior reserch professor at the National Defense University's Institute for National Strategic Studies, a senior economist at the IMF and the World Bank, and a research scholar at the Foreign Policy Research Institute. " [W]e could step up the pressure. I mean, look, people, Iranian submarines periodically go down. Someday one of them might not come up. Who would know why?”
For questions about the Gulf of Tonkin incidents:
http://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2008-02/truth-about-tonkin
Russia will not be a problem. Same as during Kosovo war, the west gave Yeltsin 23 billion in IMF help and he was ok with it.
Putin knows the value of money also. It's a just a matter of how much.
China is the problem.
Never under estimate the Russians they tough sons of bitches, unlike Yanks who have got dump and fat on processed food. The problem with the US military is it relies too much on technology, there is absolutely no subsitute to getting troops on the ground to do the fighting. One of the reasons you haven't won a descent war since WWII.
My money is on Russia.
U.S. troops have been in constant ground combat since 2001. The vast majority of Russian troops have NO combat experience. The last real campaign was when they got their butts kicked in Afghanistan. I'd put U.S. troops against those morons any day of the week.
Chechenia? Georgia? Just to name a few.
Chechnya was 12 years ago. The vast majority of those conscripts are long gone. Georgia was a five day conflict involving 10,000 Russian troops. That's not combat experience. Any others?
Chechnya was 12 years ago. The vast majority of those conscripts are long gone. Georgia was a five day conflict involving 10,000 Russian troops. That's not combat experience. Any others?
U.S. troops have been in constant ground combat since 2001. The vast majority of Russian troops have NO combat experience. The last real campaign was when they got their butts kicked in Afghanistan. I'd put U.S. troops against those morons any day of the week.
When the value of money is in question, everything is in question.
Money is the solution and problem... those in power now are still aware of what happened when the wall fell and USSR collapsed. They already have money in their posession and will ensure the rest of it is in their hands.
State owned corporations... like government majority owned Gazprom in hand. Oligopolists arrested or sent into hiding (and perhaps one or two assassinated). All part of the plan to re-consolidate power.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-12/putin-backs-efforts-to-force-1-...
Don't put too much faith in money... especially now that the almighty USD may not be the same as a couple decades ago.
Well Hillary just cancelled her testimony on the -- Congressional aides do not expect her to testify as scheduled at congressional hearings on Thursday into the Sept. 11 attack against a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi.
-- Apparently she faked a fall and hit her head. Guess they won't be hearing much at the hearing. Imagine that.
When I read this, I believed the part that she wasn't going to testify, but I didn't think that she would have such a lame excuse. So I looked it up....
Secretary of state faints, sustains concussion:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-15-12-28-49
She now has the perfect "I can't remember" excuse. I hit my head you know. Sorry. Next question?
You people must try to understand that "world peace" is USA's main export.