Guest Post: Gun Control? No, Drone Control.

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics blog,

The terrible massacre committed by a mentally-disturbed man in Newtown, Connecticut last Friday has prompted lots and lots of calls for gun control in the United States, as well as some calls for more help for the mentally ill.

There are some problems with both suggestions. First of all, the evidence shows that certain “treatments” for the mentally ill — specifically, SSRI antidepressants — are associated with shooting sprees.2006 study in the UK showed that antidepressants can cause severe violence in a small number of individuals. It is possible that increasing the screening and “treatment” for mental illness may result in more incidences of severe violence. (On the other hand some therapies like psychotherapy, music therapy, and art therapy might help certain individuals, but these are almost certainly less profitable for big pharma…)

But what about gun control? There is little doubt that in the coming years the gun-show loophole will be closed and Canadian-style longer waiting periods will be introduced. Semi-automatic weapons may well be banned. Buyback programs may be attempted. The Supreme Court might well even be stacked to achieve a majority that interprets away individual gun rights.

But America already has huge quantities of guns, far more than anywhere in the world:



The vast majority of America’s 285 million guns are in Republican states, which are unlikely to be disarmed easily, even with an overwhelming Federal consensus. Some might even try to secede from the Union.

And as the experience of many other countries including Britain and Australia shows, criminals and those with violent intent will still be able to get guns (the only people who will be disarmed are the law-abiding majority).

This trend is only likely to grow in coming years as technologies such as 3D printing make it possible for anyone with a 3D printer and an internet connection to potentially print a gun (and eventually, bullets):

Imagine an America in which anyone can download and print a gun in their own home. They wouldn’t need a license, a background check, or much technical knowledge, just a 3D printer. That’s the vision a cadre of industrious libertarians are determined to turn into reality.


Last week, Wiki Weapon, a project to create the first fully printable plastic gun received the $20,000 in funding it needed to get off the ground. The project’s goal is not to develop and sell a working gun, but rather to create an open-source schematic (or blueprint) that individuals could download and use to print their own weapons at home.


The technology that makes this possible is 3D printing, a process during which plastic resin is deposited layer by layer to create a three dimensional object. In the past few years 3D printers have become increasingly affordable, and just last week the first two retail stores selling 3D printers opened in the United States with models ranging from $600 to $2,199.

How is it possible to regulate that away? Ban 3D printing? Ban the distribution of gun schematics? Costly, damaging to liberty, and ineffective. The failed war on drugs makes this very clear — prohibition doesn’t work. Guns — like drugs — are a reality that society cannot just eradicate by passing laws. The mood has changed — America will try gun control. It won’t work — and may just make things worse. I wish we lived in a world without guns, but we don’t.

But there is a way forward. Very many of the mass shooters in the last two decades have a history of antidepressant use. If we want to stop mass shootings, maybe we should look at that.

And if we value life and are opposed to violence against innocents, why do we demand action when 27 innocent Americans die, but not when larger numbers of innocent Pakistanis, or Afghanis or Yemenis die?  One drone strike in Pakistan killed 69 children, dwarfing the impact of the Newtown Massacre. With predator drones now in American skies, how long until the “collateral damage” (remember — the NDAA declared the entirety of America as a battlefield) eclipses the Newtown massacre? Or how long until a foreign power or terrorist group hacks into a predator drone (technically feasible) over America and uses it as a flying bomb?  And how many more terrorist attacks against America will be fuelled by anger derived from the civilian casualties of the drone wars?

Obama might cry for Americans in Newtown, but where are his tears for the Pakistani and Yemeni children he has slaughtered? And what about for the many victims who died as a result of thousands guns shipped by the US government to the Mexican drug cartels via Fast and Furious?

America might be ready to implement gun control. I wish America was ready to implement drone control.

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bulbous_walrus's picture

Australia suffered 13 mass murders between 1981 and 1996. In the 16 years since our gun law reforms: zero. No more excuses please America.

F. Bastiat's picture

It's just not going to happen here, particularly when this country is effectively occupied by an alien, counter-liberty ideology.  If we're going to ban something here in the states, it's going to be today's liberals.

I ask: Is there anything more vile and repulsive than watching a despot shed crocodile tears over the murder of American children?

Aziz's picture

More on antidepressants and shootings.

From article by Dr. Gary G. Kohls, MD, "Batman Shooter and His Psyche Drugs"

Sat, 08/04/2012

The Physicians' Desk Reference lists the following common adverse reactions (side effects) to SSRI antidepressants (among a host of other physical and neuropsychiatric effects). None of these adverse reactions is listed as Rare.

Manic Reaction (Mania, e.g., Kleptomania, Pyromania, Dipsomania, Nymphomania)
Hypomania (e.g., poor judgment, over spending, impulsivity, etc.)
Abnormal Thinking
Personality Disorder
Abnormal Dreams
Emotional Lability
Alcohol Abuse and/or Craving
Paranoid Reactions
Sleep Disorders
Akathisia (severe internal restlessness that can cause suicidality)
Withdrawal Syndrome

Stuck on Zero's picture

The US has more autistic and mentally unstable people than the rest of the planet combined.  All of this has happened in the last 25 years.  You don't suppose 38 vaccines before 2 years of age, prescription drugs, gender-bending chemicals in pesticides and plastics, and food additivies have anything to do with it do you?


Go Tribe's picture

It's that rock n roll music.

nope-1004's picture

We've got theft laws, and those don't seem to be doing much.  Friggin' banksters and the "entitled" crooks like Corzine steal right in front of laws.  Laws aren't doing a damn thing, and gun laws won't do anything either.

Drones or guns, it doesn't matter.  Race, religion, creed, gender, ethnicity - it doesn't matter.  Like I said on Friday, CHILDREN SHOULD BE OFF LIMITS regardless of their ethnicity, religion, background, gender, etc.....  If a bunch of idiot adults kill each other, so be it.  But the minute adults start taking out the young, either in a school shooting or by dropping bombs on their neighborhoods, humanity is doomed.

Sickens the shit outta me when helpless children are vicitmized.


YBNguy's picture


The D-Bag top poster of this thread, with over 30 negatives, should be reprimanded. I think a D-Bag avatar should be given to posters-for a week-who get over 30 negs for a comment. It will help us police the fools without silencing them (you know, what liberal fvcks do to us, but cry about if we try to restrict them, not that Id want to silence them as they are comedy gold).

I think Corzines pic would suffice.

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot's picture

Wait, I thought drones kept us safe . . .

Manthong's picture

Do not let them confound you.

Guns are not the problem or the solution here just like full auto rifles were not the problem of or solution to 1920 and 30’s gangsters. How many gangsters handed over their Thompsons when the 1934 NFA boondoggle was implemented?

The Connecticut whacko was a ticking time bomb that was packed tight over time with a variety of emotional and likely pharmacological explosives.

There are many like him and they do not need guns to act out.

Some guy one day will go full retard nuts, and demonstrate how many hundred innocent people could be taken out whilst listening to favored gangster rap and cruising comfortably through a crowded city street, mall, fairgrounds, school lot and/or elsewhere in two tons of raised 4WD or a big Jeep or small Hummer.

Then, of course it will be time to ban all big 4WD vehicles (which the collectivists disguised as environmentalists would dearly like to do).

francis_sawyer's picture

 It's that rock n roll music


But it's got a groovy beat ~ & I can 'bug out' to it

boogerbently's picture

That global "gun" chart would look the same for ownership of TV's, i-phones, X-boxes, refrigerators......

Max in St Moritz's picture



The Connecticut whacko was a ticking time bomb that was packed tight over time with a variety of emotional and likely pharmacological explosives.

As it turns out, the Lanza's were "preppers" who were preparing for the economic collapse of America. Apparently, they were "stackers" who stored guns, ammo and food.

kill switch's picture

As it turns out, the Lanza's were "preppers" who were preparing for the economic collapse of America. Apparently, they were "stackers" who stored guns, ammo and food. 

Your point?

I would suggest that most of the informed here ZH,, would find the elements in the above dovetails with their own go forward strategy,,,no? 


The kill switch

DaveyJones's picture

I should have mentioned this guy last week. It felt sort of biased so I let it go. Elliot Leyton is my father in law's brother. Met him a few times and shared beer and thoughts. An interesting guy. He's a sociologist in Canada dubbed "the man who studies murder." THe CBC did a special on his work a while ago.

He's been looking at murder and gun violence for some time and comparing countries. He concludes much of what many of us has been saying. Well, at least half of it. As many have said, I think a healthy and inherent distrust of government (or any centralized power - religious, commerial, criminal) is at the core of the Second Amendment. An entirely different subject than any psychological or sociological study on prevention. Then again, maybe not.

Leyton's work focused on cause and effect. Still, sociology is such a damn inexact science. Gargantuan variables.  But, in the end, that's the point. Leyton concludes (Like, of all people, Michael Moore just announced) that our violence is rooted deep in our culture and has little to do with metal instruments however automatic. I can't disagree with anyone who claims that a psychotic man (or these days, child) with an automatic will kill more but as Leyton observes, those are not the overwhelming factors of our self destruction. It begins with our video games and ends with a 20 year old pentagon soldier playing nearly the same thing but killing children half a globe away. We are numb to this disease and our government is the biggest carrier. This illness is a long time coming and our "solution" will take a little more than legislation.   

tickhound's picture

I'll give both you dumbasses a dink.  Let's hope you get to 30 too.

Is there ANYWHERE anymore where someone isn't trying to PO-LICE?

I wish I could give you two dinks for being a fucking hypocrite.

Muppet of the Universe's picture



A).  Because the Illuminati doesn't like you.

B).  Because the Illuminati wants you to be peasants

C).  Because the Illuminati wants total control over you

D).  Because there is an Illuminati

E).  Seriously, wtf are you not thinking, everyone is buying a gun, just fucking do it. All the cool kids are!

Its like wearing a seatbelt - safety first kids ;D 


F-P).  B/c remember, when those idiots who called you crazy and told you to shove your gold up your ass, come asking for food, it won't be in a friendly manner.

Q-Z).  B/c remember, Agenda 21 is FOREVA.


On a side note though, I really can't recommend more, that within the next few years, you begin making a move to another country... 

Its, like, soddom and gommorrah...  You don't wanna stick around to find out what happens.


LASTLY, I would like to note, that this is what happens when you allow a society to breed weak, stupid people.

Seriously... don't want it to happen again?  Don't let idiots reproduce.  Don't let the gene pool go to shit.  That's such a bad idea, and this world is the evidence.

& FFS, only institute these changes after a full scale revolution... 

B/c you DON'T want the Illuminati choosing for you.  The Illuminati has lost that all important element- humanism, which really should be balanced with practicality.

Illuminati run slave farms, not how to build a successful society 101.

JLee2027's picture

LASTLY, I would like to note, that this is what happens when you allow a society to breed weak, stupid people. Seriously... don't want it to happen again?  Don't let idiots reproduce.  Don't let the gene pool go to shit.  That's such a bad idea, and this world is the evidence.

I liked everything else. But you have to be stupid yourself to think we can or should play GOD and control reproduction. You also can't be Christian to say that. As a Christian we are all related and come from the same gene pool....the geniuses and the morons.

MillionDollarBoner_'s picture God wanted this to happen, huh?

Go on - say it!

Muppet of the Universe's picture

If we are to live in a world absent of natural selection, then we must institute synthetic evolution, or suffer the consequences.  Generally speaking, I think the consequences include mass slavery.

Bobbyrib's picture

Just allow natural selection to make a come back. No more welfare state.

gaoptimize's picture

It doesn't even require natural selection, which would take tens of thousands of years.  All it takes is to allow people to suffer the consequences of their poor decisions and allow other people to observe those consequences.  People are clever enough to act in their own interests.  The massive Gov safty hammock ( ) insulates people and groups from the negative consequences of their behavior.  The Gov is subsidizing stupid, and hence, we get more of it as people act in their own interests.

sessinpo's picture

And you aren't aware that as God, God has no wants? After all, God is God. This is man's doing and has nothing to do with God.

smiler03's picture

I would disagree. Christians go on and on about that their "God" was so concerned about "us" that he sent his "son" to Earth.

sessinpo's picture

And apparently you aren't up on scripture that says that man is given a choice - FREE WILL. You can deny God and that is your perogative. Of course God would prefer one to choose righteousness and I think that is the minute difference you are trying to make. And that is fine. However in the context of the post and thread, I will take you to task.

The post I responded to said: " God wanted this to happen, huh? Go on - say it!"


And my response was to denote that in the Christian religion, one is given the FREE WILL do deny God. So just because a tragedy occurrs, it isn't because God wanted it.

And to educate you further, the idea of Jesus was to basically wipe the state clean by broadly forgiving sins and give man a 2nd chance. Do you know of the first instance. Well since you don't seem theologically educated, it was in the Old Testament under Noah where great Floods wiped the earth. The Old Testament is of God's retribution and the New Testament is of God's love.

And here is where I say something that might piss off some christians. The Old Testament was closer to the Koran (not saying it is the same). In that I mean that in the Old Testament, one (man) was to punish those that did not follow God - a similar theme in old and modern day Koran. In modern day Koran, we still have beheadings.

In the New Testament under Jesus, one is given FREE WILL and judgement will be God alone - not you or I.

Care to debate some more?


Now I look forward to the Anti Zionist posts (not from you but in general) - they give me a good laugh too.

FWM's picture

Unbiblical undoubtedly taught to you in a unbiblical church.  Sorry.

kill switch's picture

It's interesting how we take eighteen year old kids and arm them with high kill weapons and send them to another country to PROTECT OUR FREEDOMS. There is no concern for safety in this gun ban mania, it's purely using this tragedy as a fighting wedge to disarm the populace so we become totally fucking sheepitized. Have your way with us now, it's fucking over...or is it? Let's see how the good old boys react.



The kill switch

sessinpo's picture

And you are heading toward 30 negative posts. Becareful of what you wish for. That is the same message for liberals, of which I hope you aren't one of. But I hope you realize your post I am replying to is of the liberal mentallity.



NoClueSneaker's picture

"Children should be off limits ...." - they are the primary target, they have always been ... next to women and disabled . If rational or irrational - killing children means killing the hope . GS & JP Morgue killed about 200 M children in last 4-5 years just manipulating the greens on CME. Bilderbergs on work .

sessinpo's picture

nope-1004: "Like I said on Friday, CHILDREN SHOULD BE OFF LIMITS regardless of their ethnicity, religion, background, gender, etc..

Man, I am so glad you stated that. Now any crazy person or criminal will surely take heed. You just saved the world nope-1004! You are fantastic. In fact, whenever I see a wrong being committed, I shall immediate scream "STOP BY ORDER OF NOPE-1004. Tthat is off limits. I don't care if you are a criminal and BREAK THE LAWS ANYWAY.


How about doing us all a favor and make another incredible proclaimation such as "No banker shall impoverish a nation through a fiat currency."

Come on nope-1004, the world is depending on you and all criminals are waiting to obey your orders like they obey the thousands of laws already on the books. (entire post is sarcasm)

Jack Burton's picture

Stuck on Zero, I do believe you have hit upon the most important and scary thing affecting America today. The epidemic of Autism and personality disorders in America is simply off the charts. A friend of mine had two boys in the 80's, both were autistic.

You have got to believe that something has caused the explosion in mentally troubled children and mentally retarded children. Autism has exploded as well. It has grown SO fast that it has to be something that began to change in America within the last 30 years. Look for what we have produced or introduced into the population in that time period and we might find the causes of this epidemic.

These kids grow up and then they drive cars, get ahold of guns and then they have the power to move quickly and deal death blows wher they want. Mental problems are so widespread now that I predict these mass killings will only explode in frequency. Like the Bat Man movie shootings. Insane!

I bet it is just as you point out, a combination of all those things you noted down.

We will soon be confronted with all those autistic kids becoming autistic adults. My friend has had to have her one son locked up because he keeps attacking people. And he is big and he is strong. Her other son she has packed away to a relative out in the country where he can do little harm to other people. The soon will be thousands upon thousands of young adults going out on their own with severe autism and mental problems. Look out by the end of this decade!

Transformer's picture

Good comment. 

But, you left out MK Ultra type programming.  All these Autistic kids are probably particulary susceptible to it.

JLee2027's picture

You have got to believe that something has caused the explosion in mentally troubled children and mentally retarded children. Autism has exploded as well. It has grown SO fast that it has to be something that began to change in America within the last 30 years. Look for what we have produced or introduced into the population in that time period and we might find the causes of this epidemic.

Could be environmental. Or if you believe some scientists, the human genome itself is in a natural and inevitable decline due to copy errors in reproduction and autism, etc. is a consequence. 

Muppet of the Universe's picture

I hope you see the logical falicy between your statement to me, and the one here.

JLee2027's picture

You're looking in the wrong direction for a fallacy. You should not control someone else's reproduction because that would be sin and contrary to GOD's instruction to "be fruitful and multiply". Therefore, we reproduce. However, reproduction over generations, as I stated above -- results in copy errors. This is theorized to be a consequence of the Fall. Therefore there is no fallacy. Creation is in natural decline. You can also look at the Earth's weakening magnetic field, which at current decay rates is predicted to collapse by 3300 AD and will end all life on Earth.

Not that I know all that, or accept it, but that is the basis of the logic I employed.

Jena's picture

I keep turning to this book:  The Myth of Autism: How a Misunderstood Epidemic Is Destroying Our Children by Michael J. Goldberg.  


Goldberg is a pediatrician affiliated with UCLA.  He posits that autism, ADHD and chronic fatigue syndrome/chronic fatigue immune dysfuntion syndrome are all the same viral neurological infection that strike at different ages (autism: toddler or young child, ADHD: school age child to teen, CFS/CFIDS teen to adult.).  This explains why you see clusters of the three syndromes in one family because it is a contagious illness.  It can be diagnosed via careful history and physical and most importantly, a distinctive SPECT scan pattern (SPECT is a nuclear scan that measure oxygen uptake in tissue, so this would be a brain scan that measures tissue perfusion and areas that are not getting enough oxygen.).  And most importantly, per the book Goldberg has found within his practice that improvements in behavior are seen when antivirals are given on a regular basis to treat the chronic viral infection (cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr, etc.) along with requisite dietary changes are made to combat allergies and incompatibilites.


Whether all this is true or not, I don't know.  But something has to be tried outside the realm of the behavioral scientists because whatever they are doing, it isn't nearly enough.  I don't know what it's like to be the parent of an autistic child/adult but I imagine it is extremely difficult indeed.  And considering the future for everyone involved must be a particularly and regularly worrisome exercise.  If autism is indeed a brain infection -- something physiological, then how the fuck did the behavioralists get their hands on it in the first place?


*ADD isn't included because it doesn't fit the SPECT pattern and because it was firmly in place before the spike within the last 30 years.


(Goldberg also makes a case for why he doesn't think that autism is a genetic disorder, given the fact that the rate of other genetically linked problems has stayed at a steady rate over the last few decades while autism/autism spectrum disorders has not.  The increase in diagnosis and sensitivity to the problem doesn't explain the rate of increase, either -- there really is a huge increase.  I lent my copy of the book out otherwise I'd be more specific here, sorry.  At any rate, it's an intriguing read.  I'd love to know what someone closer to the problem things.)

A Nanny Moose's picture

Has it grown, or have goal posts been moved? Perhaps a bit of both?

The Heart's picture

Hey Jack,

Can you say vaccines? GMO foods? Radiation in the air and environment? Flouride in the water? SSRI Drugs everywhere? The mind killing TV Drug? Media lies and dis-information propaganda?

Think about how many directions the babylonians are killing us ALL off from. Add them up.

Can you say Population Reduction agenda?






Harbanger's picture

"The US has more autistic and mentally unstable people than the rest of the planet combined."

 Michael Savage had an interesting take on why...

"I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' " Savage concluded, "[I]f I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, 'Don't behave like a fool.' The worst thing he said -- 'Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry.' That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have."

Savage also stated: "[W]hy was there an asthma epidemic amongst minority children? Because I'll tell you why: The children got extra welfare if they were disabled, and they got extra help in school. It was a money racket. Everyone went in and was told [fake cough], 'When the nurse looks at you, you go [fake cough], "I don't know, the dust got me." ' See, everyone had asthma from the minority community."

psychobilly's picture

"I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man."

Michael Savage is an idiot.  And you're an idiot for repeating what he says.

Jack Burton's picture

Also totally agree. Savage is a useless loudmouth prick.

Harbanger's picture

They wouldn't have banned him from the UK if he were a "useful" loudmouth prick.  There's already plenty of obedient pricks in the UK's Govt sanctioned media.  I'm amazed that in this day and age certain people still can't deal with free speech.

A Nanny Moose's picture

So obedience is the problem? Yet your link was a call for more authority and more obedience.

Perhaps the kids aren't the problem. Perhaps it is the adults?

JOYFUL's picture

Michael Savage?

Rarely has a name so well applied to the person...autistic kids need the shit beat out of them so them will drop the act and behave? I thought I'd heard it all, what with kids targeted by drones and whatnot, but you've upped the anti...

take kids just born, vaccinate them with heavy metal poisons, repeat process at regular intervals, and then beat the daylights out of them for refusing to conform...

If you truly believe that crap, you have a special tier reserved for you just below Dante's ninth circle of hell. And may the devil take you there

n.b.  this b.s. is so over the top I've decided it needs be ended on a happier note... ...horses and troubled kids - a marriage made in Heaven!

and please watch this video if you doubt

There is a Supreme Being, and He\She\Whoever made horses so that we could remember who we are.

Ghordius's picture

Joyful +1, the ancient priests of Poseidon said the same about horses (and music) btw

never mind. you know what I find interesting? MSM is making a big thing about the Asperger Syndrome

a few more knowledgable friends of mine say that nearly all men have a bit of Asperger - they tell me it's a question of degree coupled with some more typically male cognitive capabilities (and violence, though the link is weaker)

but people expecting "big bad things" to happen (like preppers, conspiracy theorists and particularly anarchists) seem to score high on tests

in a way, this would explain some things - if you don't feel yourself as part of society then you might feel like the only bear on a planet of wolfes - who work/hunt in packs while you are a lone singular individual small bear

anyway: how about the next big theory?

government testing the population for anti-social behaviour

"you know, for the kiddies' safety?"

I got that idea when Jesse's Cafe Americain was linking articles about how some HR firms in London were recruiting bankers based on their psychopathy - i.e. people without "normal" emphathy being "just perfect" for management. I was thinking: What a perfect recipe for the next witch hunt

JOYFUL's picture


this is a subject which breaches the barriers of what my heart can tolerate dwelling upon...I've done my best below to enunciate what needs be said about the deviltry that is afoot in the fallen lands of the West. There's no more I wish to say about it, and therefore I cannot accept your invitation to treat it as a mere topic of discussion.  But I did read and appreciate your well considered points.

tip e. canoe's picture

that video shines a speck of light through a dark abyss...gracias.

Harbanger's picture

The article is saying adults are the problem....Are you so broken or disingenous that you equate obedience to a parent with obedience of a totalitarian govt?  What a nanny fag.  Oops did I offend.