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Guest Post: Gun Control? No, Drone Control.

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics blog,

The terrible massacre committed by a mentally-disturbed man in Newtown, Connecticut last Friday has prompted lots and lots of calls for gun control in the United States, as well as some calls for more help for the mentally ill.

There are some problems with both suggestions. First of all, the evidence shows that certain “treatments” for the mentally ill — specifically, SSRI antidepressants — are associated with shooting sprees.2006 study in the UK showed that antidepressants can cause severe violence in a small number of individuals. It is possible that increasing the screening and “treatment” for mental illness may result in more incidences of severe violence. (On the other hand some therapies like psychotherapy, music therapy, and art therapy might help certain individuals, but these are almost certainly less profitable for big pharma…)

But what about gun control? There is little doubt that in the coming years the gun-show loophole will be closed and Canadian-style longer waiting periods will be introduced. Semi-automatic weapons may well be banned. Buyback programs may be attempted. The Supreme Court might well even be stacked to achieve a majority that interprets away individual gun rights.

But America already has huge quantities of guns, far more than anywhere in the world:



The vast majority of America’s 285 million guns are in Republican states, which are unlikely to be disarmed easily, even with an overwhelming Federal consensus. Some might even try to secede from the Union.

And as the experience of many other countries including Britain and Australia shows, criminals and those with violent intent will still be able to get guns (the only people who will be disarmed are the law-abiding majority).

This trend is only likely to grow in coming years as technologies such as 3D printing make it possible for anyone with a 3D printer and an internet connection to potentially print a gun (and eventually, bullets):

Imagine an America in which anyone can download and print a gun in their own home. They wouldn’t need a license, a background check, or much technical knowledge, just a 3D printer. That’s the vision a cadre of industrious libertarians are determined to turn into reality.


Last week, Wiki Weapon, a project to create the first fully printable plastic gun received the $20,000 in funding it needed to get off the ground. The project’s goal is not to develop and sell a working gun, but rather to create an open-source schematic (or blueprint) that individuals could download and use to print their own weapons at home.


The technology that makes this possible is 3D printing, a process during which plastic resin is deposited layer by layer to create a three dimensional object. In the past few years 3D printers have become increasingly affordable, and just last week the first two retail stores selling 3D printers opened in the United States with models ranging from $600 to $2,199.

How is it possible to regulate that away? Ban 3D printing? Ban the distribution of gun schematics? Costly, damaging to liberty, and ineffective. The failed war on drugs makes this very clear — prohibition doesn’t work. Guns — like drugs — are a reality that society cannot just eradicate by passing laws. The mood has changed — America will try gun control. It won’t work — and may just make things worse. I wish we lived in a world without guns, but we don’t.

But there is a way forward. Very many of the mass shooters in the last two decades have a history of antidepressant use. If we want to stop mass shootings, maybe we should look at that.

And if we value life and are opposed to violence against innocents, why do we demand action when 27 innocent Americans die, but not when larger numbers of innocent Pakistanis, or Afghanis or Yemenis die?  One drone strike in Pakistan killed 69 children, dwarfing the impact of the Newtown Massacre. With predator drones now in American skies, how long until the “collateral damage” (remember — the NDAA declared the entirety of America as a battlefield) eclipses the Newtown massacre? Or how long until a foreign power or terrorist group hacks into a predator drone (technically feasible) over America and uses it as a flying bomb?  And how many more terrorist attacks against America will be fuelled by anger derived from the civilian casualties of the drone wars?

Obama might cry for Americans in Newtown, but where are his tears for the Pakistani and Yemeni children he has slaughtered? And what about for the many victims who died as a result of thousands guns shipped by the US government to the Mexican drug cartels via Fast and Furious?

America might be ready to implement gun control. I wish America was ready to implement drone control.


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Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:37 | 3070106 bulbous_walrus
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Australia suffered 13 mass murders between 1981 and 1996. In the 16 years since our gun law reforms: zero. No more excuses please America.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:44 | 3070124 F. Bastiat
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It's just not going to happen here, particularly when this country is effectively occupied by an alien, counter-liberty ideology.  If we're going to ban something here in the states, it's going to be today's liberals.

I ask: Is there anything more vile and repulsive than watching a despot shed crocodile tears over the murder of American children?

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:46 | 3070137 JLee2027
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More guns, not less. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:07 | 3070183 Aziz
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More on antidepressants and shootings.

From article by Dr. Gary G. Kohls, MD, "Batman Shooter and His Psyche Drugs"

Sat, 08/04/2012

The Physicians' Desk Reference lists the following common adverse reactions (side effects) to SSRI antidepressants (among a host of other physical and neuropsychiatric effects). None of these adverse reactions is listed as Rare.

Manic Reaction (Mania, e.g., Kleptomania, Pyromania, Dipsomania, Nymphomania)
Hypomania (e.g., poor judgment, over spending, impulsivity, etc.)
Abnormal Thinking
Personality Disorder
Abnormal Dreams
Emotional Lability
Alcohol Abuse and/or Craving
Paranoid Reactions
Sleep Disorders
Akathisia (severe internal restlessness that can cause suicidality)
Withdrawal Syndrome

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:22 | 3070219 Stuck on Zero
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The US has more autistic and mentally unstable people than the rest of the planet combined.  All of this has happened in the last 25 years.  You don't suppose 38 vaccines before 2 years of age, prescription drugs, gender-bending chemicals in pesticides and plastics, and food additivies have anything to do with it do you?


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:32 | 3070229 Go Tribe
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It's that rock n roll music.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:53 | 3070266 nope-1004
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We've got theft laws, and those don't seem to be doing much.  Friggin' banksters and the "entitled" crooks like Corzine steal right in front of laws.  Laws aren't doing a damn thing, and gun laws won't do anything either.

Drones or guns, it doesn't matter.  Race, religion, creed, gender, ethnicity - it doesn't matter.  Like I said on Friday, CHILDREN SHOULD BE OFF LIMITS regardless of their ethnicity, religion, background, gender, etc.....  If a bunch of idiot adults kill each other, so be it.  But the minute adults start taking out the young, either in a school shooting or by dropping bombs on their neighborhoods, humanity is doomed.

Sickens the shit outta me when helpless children are vicitmized.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:00 | 3070289 YBNguy
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The D-Bag top poster of this thread, with over 30 negatives, should be reprimanded. I think a D-Bag avatar should be given to posters-for a week-who get over 30 negs for a comment. It will help us police the fools without silencing them (you know, what liberal fvcks do to us, but cry about if we try to restrict them, not that Id want to silence them as they are comedy gold).

I think Corzines pic would suffice.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:03 | 3070290 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Wait, I thought drones kept us safe . . .

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 02:05 | 3070407 Manthong
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Do not let them confound you.

Guns are not the problem or the solution here just like full auto rifles were not the problem of or solution to 1920 and 30’s gangsters. How many gangsters handed over their Thompsons when the 1934 NFA boondoggle was implemented?

The Connecticut whacko was a ticking time bomb that was packed tight over time with a variety of emotional and likely pharmacological explosives.

There are many like him and they do not need guns to act out.

Some guy one day will go full retard nuts, and demonstrate how many hundred innocent people could be taken out whilst listening to favored gangster rap and cruising comfortably through a crowded city street, mall, fairgrounds, school lot and/or elsewhere in two tons of raised 4WD or a big Jeep or small Hummer.

Then, of course it will be time to ban all big 4WD vehicles (which the collectivists disguised as environmentalists would dearly like to do).

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 05:26 | 3070540 francis_sawyer
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 It's that rock n roll music


But it's got a groovy beat ~ & I can 'bug out' to it

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 13:21 | 3071399 boogerbently
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That global "gun" chart would look the same for ownership of TV's, i-phones, X-boxes, refrigerators......

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:05 | 3070685 Max in St Moritz
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The Connecticut whacko was a ticking time bomb that was packed tight over time with a variety of emotional and likely pharmacological explosives.

As it turns out, the Lanza's were "preppers" who were preparing for the economic collapse of America. Apparently, they were "stackers" who stored guns, ammo and food.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 09:20 | 3070816 kill switch
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As it turns out, the Lanza's were "preppers" who were preparing for the economic collapse of America. Apparently, they were "stackers" who stored guns, ammo and food. 

Your point?

I would suggest that most of the informed here ZH,, would find the elements in the above dovetails with their own go forward strategy,,,no? 


The kill switch

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:05 | 3071031 DaveyJones
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I should have mentioned this guy last week. It felt sort of biased so I let it go. Elliot Leyton is my father in law's brother. Met him a few times and shared beer and thoughts. An interesting guy. He's a sociologist in Canada dubbed "the man who studies murder." THe CBC did a special on his work a while ago.

He's been looking at murder and gun violence for some time and comparing countries. He concludes much of what many of us has been saying. Well, at least half of it. As many have said, I think a healthy and inherent distrust of government (or any centralized power - religious, commerial, criminal) is at the core of the Second Amendment. An entirely different subject than any psychological or sociological study on prevention. Then again, maybe not.

Leyton's work focused on cause and effect. Still, sociology is such a damn inexact science. Gargantuan variables.  But, in the end, that's the point. Leyton concludes (Like, of all people, Michael Moore just announced) that our violence is rooted deep in our culture and has little to do with metal instruments however automatic. I can't disagree with anyone who claims that a psychotic man (or these days, child) with an automatic will kill more but as Leyton observes, those are not the overwhelming factors of our self destruction. It begins with our video games and ends with a 20 year old pentagon soldier playing nearly the same thing but killing children half a globe away. We are numb to this disease and our government is the biggest carrier. This illness is a long time coming and our "solution" will take a little more than legislation.   

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:33 | 3070340 tickhound
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I'll give both you dumbasses a dink.  Let's hope you get to 30 too.

Is there ANYWHERE anymore where someone isn't trying to PO-LICE?

I wish I could give you two dinks for being a fucking hypocrite.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 02:18 | 3070409 Muppet of the U...
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A).  Because the Illuminati doesn't like you.

B).  Because the Illuminati wants you to be peasants

C).  Because the Illuminati wants total control over you

D).  Because there is an Illuminati

E).  Seriously, wtf are you not thinking, everyone is buying a gun, just fucking do it. All the cool kids are!

Its like wearing a seatbelt - safety first kids ;D 


F-P).  B/c remember, when those idiots who called you crazy and told you to shove your gold up your ass, come asking for food, it won't be in a friendly manner.

Q-Z).  B/c remember, Agenda 21 is FOREVA.


On a side note though, I really can't recommend more, that within the next few years, you begin making a move to another country... 

Its, like, soddom and gommorrah...  You don't wanna stick around to find out what happens.


LASTLY, I would like to note, that this is what happens when you allow a society to breed weak, stupid people.

Seriously... don't want it to happen again?  Don't let idiots reproduce.  Don't let the gene pool go to shit.  That's such a bad idea, and this world is the evidence.

& FFS, only institute these changes after a full scale revolution... 

B/c you DON'T want the Illuminati choosing for you.  The Illuminati has lost that all important element- humanism, which really should be balanced with practicality.

Illuminati run slave farms, not how to build a successful society 101.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 03:52 | 3070485 JLee2027
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LASTLY, I would like to note, that this is what happens when you allow a society to breed weak, stupid people. Seriously... don't want it to happen again?  Don't let idiots reproduce.  Don't let the gene pool go to shit.  That's such a bad idea, and this world is the evidence.

I liked everything else. But you have to be stupid yourself to think we can or should play GOD and control reproduction. You also can't be Christian to say that. As a Christian we are all related and come from the same gene pool....the geniuses and the morons.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 06:59 | 3070609 MillionDollarBoner_
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Go on - say it!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:35 | 3070644 Muppet of the U...
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If we are to live in a world absent of natural selection, then we must institute synthetic evolution, or suffer the consequences.  Generally speaking, I think the consequences include mass slavery.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:47 | 3070657 Bobbyrib
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Just allow natural selection to make a come back. No more welfare state.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 09:27 | 3070828 gaoptimize
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It doesn't even require natural selection, which would take tens of thousands of years.  All it takes is to allow people to suffer the consequences of their poor decisions and allow other people to observe those consequences.  People are clever enough to act in their own interests.  The massive Gov safty hammock ( ) insulates people and groups from the negative consequences of their behavior.  The Gov is subsidizing stupid, and hence, we get more of it as people act in their own interests.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:16 | 3070911 sessinpo
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And you aren't aware that as God, God has no wants? After all, God is God. This is man's doing and has nothing to do with God.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:52 | 3071805 smiler03
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I would disagree. Christians go on and on about that their "God" was so concerned about "us" that he sent his "son" to Earth.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:03 | 3074399 sessinpo
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And apparently you aren't up on scripture that says that man is given a choice - FREE WILL. You can deny God and that is your perogative. Of course God would prefer one to choose righteousness and I think that is the minute difference you are trying to make. And that is fine. However in the context of the post and thread, I will take you to task.

The post I responded to said: " God wanted this to happen, huh? Go on - say it!"


And my response was to denote that in the Christian religion, one is given the FREE WILL do deny God. So just because a tragedy occurrs, it isn't because God wanted it.

And to educate you further, the idea of Jesus was to basically wipe the state clean by broadly forgiving sins and give man a 2nd chance. Do you know of the first instance. Well since you don't seem theologically educated, it was in the Old Testament under Noah where great Floods wiped the earth. The Old Testament is of God's retribution and the New Testament is of God's love.

And here is where I say something that might piss off some christians. The Old Testament was closer to the Koran (not saying it is the same). In that I mean that in the Old Testament, one (man) was to punish those that did not follow God - a similar theme in old and modern day Koran. In modern day Koran, we still have beheadings.

In the New Testament under Jesus, one is given FREE WILL and judgement will be God alone - not you or I.

Care to debate some more?


Now I look forward to the Anti Zionist posts (not from you but in general) - they give me a good laugh too.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:10 | 3070901 FWM
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Unbiblical undoubtedly taught to you in a unbiblical church.  Sorry.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:55 | 3070774 kill switch
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It's interesting how we take eighteen year old kids and arm them with high kill weapons and send them to another country to PROTECT OUR FREEDOMS. There is no concern for safety in this gun ban mania, it's purely using this tragedy as a fighting wedge to disarm the populace so we become totally fucking sheepitized. Have your way with us now, it's fucking over...or is it? Let's see how the good old boys react.



The kill switch

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:13 | 3070905 sessinpo
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And you are heading toward 30 negative posts. Becareful of what you wish for. That is the same message for liberals, of which I hope you aren't one of. But I hope you realize your post I am replying to is of the liberal mentallity.



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 05:54 | 3070559 NoClueSneaker
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"Children should be off limits ...." - they are the primary target, they have always been ... next to women and disabled . If rational or irrational - killing children means killing the hope . GS & JP Morgue killed about 200 M children in last 4-5 years just manipulating the greens on CME. Bilderbergs on work .

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:14 | 3074435 sessinpo
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nope-1004: "Like I said on Friday, CHILDREN SHOULD BE OFF LIMITS regardless of their ethnicity, religion, background, gender, etc..

Man, I am so glad you stated that. Now any crazy person or criminal will surely take heed. You just saved the world nope-1004! You are fantastic. In fact, whenever I see a wrong being committed, I shall immediate scream "STOP BY ORDER OF NOPE-1004. Tthat is off limits. I don't care if you are a criminal and BREAK THE LAWS ANYWAY.


How about doing us all a favor and make another incredible proclaimation such as "No banker shall impoverish a nation through a fiat currency."

Come on nope-1004, the world is depending on you and all criminals are waiting to obey your orders like they obey the thousands of laws already on the books. (entire post is sarcasm)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:36 | 3070237 Jack Burton
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Stuck on Zero, I do believe you have hit upon the most important and scary thing affecting America today. The epidemic of Autism and personality disorders in America is simply off the charts. A friend of mine had two boys in the 80's, both were autistic.

You have got to believe that something has caused the explosion in mentally troubled children and mentally retarded children. Autism has exploded as well. It has grown SO fast that it has to be something that began to change in America within the last 30 years. Look for what we have produced or introduced into the population in that time period and we might find the causes of this epidemic.

These kids grow up and then they drive cars, get ahold of guns and then they have the power to move quickly and deal death blows wher they want. Mental problems are so widespread now that I predict these mass killings will only explode in frequency. Like the Bat Man movie shootings. Insane!

I bet it is just as you point out, a combination of all those things you noted down.

We will soon be confronted with all those autistic kids becoming autistic adults. My friend has had to have her one son locked up because he keeps attacking people. And he is big and he is strong. Her other son she has packed away to a relative out in the country where he can do little harm to other people. The soon will be thousands upon thousands of young adults going out on their own with severe autism and mental problems. Look out by the end of this decade!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 03:11 | 3070457 Transformer
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Good comment. 

But, you left out MK Ultra type programming.  All these Autistic kids are probably particulary susceptible to it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 03:59 | 3070490 JLee2027
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You have got to believe that something has caused the explosion in mentally troubled children and mentally retarded children. Autism has exploded as well. It has grown SO fast that it has to be something that began to change in America within the last 30 years. Look for what we have produced or introduced into the population in that time period and we might find the causes of this epidemic.

Could be environmental. Or if you believe some scientists, the human genome itself is in a natural and inevitable decline due to copy errors in reproduction and autism, etc. is a consequence. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:37 | 3070647 Muppet of the U...
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I hope you see the logical falicy between your statement to me, and the one here.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:00 | 3072542 JLee2027
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You're looking in the wrong direction for a fallacy. You should not control someone else's reproduction because that would be sin and contrary to GOD's instruction to "be fruitful and multiply". Therefore, we reproduce. However, reproduction over generations, as I stated above -- results in copy errors. This is theorized to be a consequence of the Fall. Therefore there is no fallacy. Creation is in natural decline. You can also look at the Earth's weakening magnetic field, which at current decay rates is predicted to collapse by 3300 AD and will end all life on Earth.

Not that I know all that, or accept it, but that is the basis of the logic I employed.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:39 | 3070740 AvoidingTaxation
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In 30 years?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:02 | 3071884 Jena
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I keep turning to this book:  The Myth of Autism: How a Misunderstood Epidemic Is Destroying Our Children by Michael J. Goldberg.  


Goldberg is a pediatrician affiliated with UCLA.  He posits that autism, ADHD and chronic fatigue syndrome/chronic fatigue immune dysfuntion syndrome are all the same viral neurological infection that strike at different ages (autism: toddler or young child, ADHD: school age child to teen, CFS/CFIDS teen to adult.).  This explains why you see clusters of the three syndromes in one family because it is a contagious illness.  It can be diagnosed via careful history and physical and most importantly, a distinctive SPECT scan pattern (SPECT is a nuclear scan that measure oxygen uptake in tissue, so this would be a brain scan that measures tissue perfusion and areas that are not getting enough oxygen.).  And most importantly, per the book Goldberg has found within his practice that improvements in behavior are seen when antivirals are given on a regular basis to treat the chronic viral infection (cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr, etc.) along with requisite dietary changes are made to combat allergies and incompatibilites.


Whether all this is true or not, I don't know.  But something has to be tried outside the realm of the behavioral scientists because whatever they are doing, it isn't nearly enough.  I don't know what it's like to be the parent of an autistic child/adult but I imagine it is extremely difficult indeed.  And considering the future for everyone involved must be a particularly and regularly worrisome exercise.  If autism is indeed a brain infection -- something physiological, then how the fuck did the behavioralists get their hands on it in the first place?


*ADD isn't included because it doesn't fit the SPECT pattern and because it was firmly in place before the spike within the last 30 years.


(Goldberg also makes a case for why he doesn't think that autism is a genetic disorder, given the fact that the rate of other genetically linked problems has stayed at a steady rate over the last few decades while autism/autism spectrum disorders has not.  The increase in diagnosis and sensitivity to the problem doesn't explain the rate of increase, either -- there really is a huge increase.  I lent my copy of the book out otherwise I'd be more specific here, sorry.  At any rate, it's an intriguing read.  I'd love to know what someone closer to the problem things.)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 05:30 | 3070543 A Nanny Moose
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Has it grown, or have goal posts been moved? Perhaps a bit of both?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:33 | 3072073 The Heart
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Hey Jack,

Can you say vaccines? GMO foods? Radiation in the air and environment? Flouride in the water? SSRI Drugs everywhere? The mind killing TV Drug? Media lies and dis-information propaganda?

Think about how many directions the babylonians are killing us ALL off from. Add them up.

Can you say Population Reduction agenda?






Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:57 | 3070280 Harbanger
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"The US has more autistic and mentally unstable people than the rest of the planet combined."

 Michael Savage had an interesting take on why...

"I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' " Savage concluded, "[I]f I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, 'Don't behave like a fool.' The worst thing he said -- 'Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry.' That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have."

Savage also stated: "[W]hy was there an asthma epidemic amongst minority children? Because I'll tell you why: The children got extra welfare if they were disabled, and they got extra help in school. It was a money racket. Everyone went in and was told [fake cough], 'When the nurse looks at you, you go [fake cough], "I don't know, the dust got me." ' See, everyone had asthma from the minority community."

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 02:39 | 3070430 psychobilly
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"I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man."

Michael Savage is an idiot.  And you're an idiot for repeating what he says.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 03:12 | 3070459 Transformer
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Totally agree!!!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 03:37 | 3070478 Jack Burton
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Also totally agree. Savage is a useless loudmouth prick.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 04:19 | 3070498 Harbanger
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They wouldn't have banned him from the UK if he were a "useful" loudmouth prick.  There's already plenty of obedient pricks in the UK's Govt sanctioned media.  I'm amazed that in this day and age certain people still can't deal with free speech.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 05:33 | 3070545 A Nanny Moose
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So obedience is the problem? Yet your link was a call for more authority and more obedience.

Perhaps the kids aren't the problem. Perhaps it is the adults?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:39 | 3070650 JOYFUL
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Michael Savage?

Rarely has a name so well applied to the person...autistic kids need the shit beat out of them so them will drop the act and behave? I thought I'd heard it all, what with kids targeted by drones and whatnot, but you've upped the anti...

take kids just born, vaccinate them with heavy metal poisons, repeat process at regular intervals, and then beat the daylights out of them for refusing to conform...

If you truly believe that crap, you have a special tier reserved for you just below Dante's ninth circle of hell. And may the devil take you there

n.b.  this b.s. is so over the top I've decided it needs be ended on a happier note... ...horses and troubled kids - a marriage made in Heaven!

and please watch this video if you doubt

There is a Supreme Being, and He\She\Whoever made horses so that we could remember who we are.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:04 | 3070672 Ghordius
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Joyful +1, the ancient priests of Poseidon said the same about horses (and music) btw

never mind. you know what I find interesting? MSM is making a big thing about the Asperger Syndrome

a few more knowledgable friends of mine say that nearly all men have a bit of Asperger - they tell me it's a question of degree coupled with some more typically male cognitive capabilities (and violence, though the link is weaker)

but people expecting "big bad things" to happen (like preppers, conspiracy theorists and particularly anarchists) seem to score high on tests

in a way, this would explain some things - if you don't feel yourself as part of society then you might feel like the only bear on a planet of wolfes - who work/hunt in packs while you are a lone singular individual small bear

anyway: how about the next big theory?

government testing the population for anti-social behaviour

"you know, for the kiddies' safety?"

I got that idea when Jesse's Cafe Americain was linking articles about how some HR firms in London were recruiting bankers based on their psychopathy - i.e. people without "normal" emphathy being "just perfect" for management. I was thinking: What a perfect recipe for the next witch hunt

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:53 | 3070771 JOYFUL
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this is a subject which breaches the barriers of what my heart can tolerate dwelling upon...I've done my best below to enunciate what needs be said about the deviltry that is afoot in the fallen lands of the West. There's no more I wish to say about it, and therefore I cannot accept your invitation to treat it as a mere topic of discussion.  But I did read and appreciate your well considered points.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:47 | 3070765 tip e. canoe
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that video shines a speck of light through a dark abyss...gracias.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 12:28 | 3071228 Harbanger
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The article is saying adults are the problem....Are you so broken or disingenous that you equate obedience to a parent with obedience of a totalitarian govt?  What a nanny fag.  Oops did I offend.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 04:34 | 3070506 Harbanger
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I found it funny.  It wouldn't be funny if there wasn't an element of truth.  Why were you so offended by what he said?  Straighten up and act like a man.  It's not so tuff to do, besides, the way things are going at some point you won't have a choice.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:47 | 3070764 JOYFUL
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but perhaps not in the way you intend...there's nothing remotely similar to the framework of what constitutes "a man" in the person who would disseminate such barbarity. You have no entry point from which to speak to the subject of what a man is at all.

A man in this day and late stage of Kali Yuga is more likely to be he who day in and day out deals with patience and forbearance with the terrible consequences of the mass poisoning of our children, as witnessed by his longer can it be assumed by Norte Merikans that the carrying of a pregnancy to term will result in a 'healthy' child...that's how far we've come along the road to perdition.

And for your complete refusal to adhere to the minimal standards of what constitutes a human being, with a beating heart, I sentence you to repeated viewing of the children of Fallujah, and other stations of the cross which the rest of the world bears in order to santify the taxpayer paid contributions of Merikans to the satanic sionist crusade to rid us all of our very souls...and bear the consequences of their own sins...until you fall upon your knees and beg to be released from whatever demon possesses you. nauseaum...

coming to a place very near to you, very soon, I fear to say! There is no escape from complicity in crimes of this nature.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 12:35 | 3071252 Harbanger
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Kali Yuga?  Are you talking about the Hindu religious scripture.  My favorite Indian god is hanuman, the monkey God,  What's your favorite?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:28 | 3070937 sessinpo
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You are confusing autism with OCD and ADD. I would agree with your that those with OCD and ADD just need more discpline. Autism is an actual disfunction of the brain. Oddly enough, some people with autism have exception skills, such as math or art. It is strange to see someone that can't tie their own shoe but can do mathematical equations in their own head in seconds that the rest of us need calculators for.


Savage has some good insights into culture but a MEDICAL doctor he is not and your post illuminates that. He is botanist and nutritionalist. About the only thing that Savage has said medically besides his nutritionalist comments is that liberalism is a mental disorder - of which I agree. The crap on autism is just that crap.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:39 | 3070971 StychoKiller
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My Son is autistic, and you, nor the idjut you quoted has any idea what yer talkin' about!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 13:00 | 3071340 Harbanger
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Hope he doesn't become a stychokiller like his baby daddy.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:28 | 3070342 ZeroAvatar
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There has been a connection to aluminum (in cans and deodorants) to ADD.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:37 | 3070370 zerozulu
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People choose their leader just like them self.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 02:56 | 3070449 Things that go bump
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Remember those 85 children killed at a summer camp in Norway last year by a shooter with a Ruger Mini 14?  This sort of thing isn't limited to the US, and that one makes our guy look like a piker in comparison.  They didn't attempt to take away all the hunting guns in Norway over that.  And who was this Adam Lanza anyway?  There has been precious little information given out about him and I would have thought by now we would know the color of his underwear and what he ate for breakfast.  I believe I am witnessing a serious attempt to controll the information and the dialog here.  I haven't even seen a picture of him as an adult, just one of a sweet-faced 13-year-old boy.  I would like to know where he has been recently.  I want to be assured that he didn't drop under the radar for a few weeks, after being identified as maleable, picked up by one of the alphabet agencies, and brainwashed.  I wouldn't put it past them.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 03:41 | 3070479 Jack Burton
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Read the British "Daily Mail Online". That British tabloid has had a mountain of information on the shooter and his mother, their home, their relationships in the community, everything! The US media is totally useless, even a skumbag British tabloid like "The Mail" runs circles around the USA corporate media. I'm serious, I went straight to the mail the day this shooting happened, they were are over it. CNN for example was just so far behind the story it wasn't even funny.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:41 | 3070745 The Profit Prophet
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I'll tell you something about him that I've only read small line in a B.Insider post, A former schoolmate was asked to describe him: "He was one of the Goths". I have yet to hear this apparent fact mentioned anywhere, on any blog, in any tweet...nothing! It's all guns and autism...even though autism has no historic link to this type of violence. The goth subculture is fascinated with the macabre and is closely tied to Satanism. It has been linked to several of these tragic episodes...but does the Left want to talk about this??? No f***ing way...because it speaks to the harse consequences of the Godless society they have been promoting for decades. For f*** sakes...Michael Moore even interviewed Marilyn Manson for his "Bowling for Columbine" movie to show what a reasonable and intelligent person he was. WAKE UP AMERICAN...YOU HAVE BECOME A CULTURE OF DEATH BY THE CHOICES YOU HAVE MADE! YOU HAVE CHOSEN EVIL OVER GOOD!!! 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 13:13 | 3071382 therearetoomany...
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And where to Goethe come from?  Weimar...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:28 | 3070939 WillyGroper
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But, but, but, JB, last night on 60 min. the rule of law has apparently been reinstated. They offered a little nugget that the phone & text records will be subpoenaed.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 12:30 | 3071238 HeatMiser
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Its because the weak parents and teachers put all the kids in Riddling. Its because boys don't fight and find where they belong in the pecking order of life. American have become weak ignorant and stupid. I had and Illegal alien in my office last week and she told me that the people in her community are looking for another Country to move to but they are having a hard time moving their money. This can't be a good sign we are FUCKED.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 09:06 | 3070799 johnQpublic
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werent the batman shooter and the newton shooter's fathers both supposed to testify on the libor thing before congress(?)?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:37 | 3070240 Calmyourself
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Americans will not tolerate the Australian version of safety without guns..

Australian  violent crime up 42.2%

Rape up 29.9%

  • Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
  • During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
  • Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
  • Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
  • At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
  • Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:13 | 3070309 Harbanger
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I've been there.  They have cameras up your butt everywhere you go including on the roof of all the cabs.  Security and bouncers everywhere, they check you bags for just walking into a park, it a serious hell hole of a police state.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:14 | 3070315 eXMachina
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Yes the US is a hell hole, we already know that.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 04:48 | 3070515 Harbanger
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I know you are, but what am I?  Are you the Aussie Pee Wee Herman?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:53 | 3070667 AUD
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Australian version of safety without guns

I'm Australian & I have guns, two of them. I like my guns.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 09:46 | 3070858 MFLTucson
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You are missing the point.  This man is a dictator, he wants no guns to help him take over the country and the fuckin people are so stupid they dont care.What about the guns that Holder sent to kill the 300 Mexicans, is that ok??  Of course it is because this not about human life or guns, its about power.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:37 | 3070339 ZeroAvatar
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You know, now that you mention it and I actually think about it, WOW!  Yes, all of us saw the heartless bastard pretend to cry.  You know, had I been up there, and speaking as President, I would have TRULY cried in sympathy for these people. 


To think that (I can't even type the bastard's name) was faking it almost makes me furious!


Edit:  Let's not forget the huge increase in the population itself in the last 100 years.  These problems have probably been around for several hundreds of years (mental issues) but are only now being focused on because of (1) greater numbers of occurences and (2) greater access to cameras and other communications technology. (Along with the increased exposure to poisons, drugs, magnetic fields, etc.)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 03:21 | 3070466 Transformer
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Yeah, it's interesting to watch the video of his crying speech, and use the ctl key and the wheel on your mouse to blow it up and watch the tears flow.  His eyes get so red and the tears just come poring out!!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:44 | 3070755 Zymurguy
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Whoa, before you read too much into this article, know that it's either intentionally trying to mislead you or the author doesn't know shit about the topic.

"Gun Show Loophole" - bullshit.  Some states allow private citizens to sell guns directly to other citizens.  All BATFE certified dealers must ALWAYS conduct a background check on you via the FBI when you purchase a gun from them.  "Gun Show Loophole" is an anti-gun lobbying rally cry meant to conjure up an emotional response - so anytime you read an article with those words in it know that it's a hit job on your 2nd Ammendment Rights.

"3D Printing Guns" - bullshit.  First off, many states allow individuals to build their own guns.  They can't sell them, trade them in, etc... only they can possess them.  There is a huge number of skilled engineers, machinists, tool makers, and hobbiests that have been making their own guns for centuries.  3D printing can not achieve the level of strength/durability required to make an entire gun from the technology.  Again, anytime you read an article sensationalizing this as an evil technology know that every fucking manufacturer in the world uses this technology for PROTOTYPING and rarely is it used for any sort of production process to sell end-use product.

Please, you're either intentionally trying to mislead peolple with an article like this or you're a complete fucking idiot.

Which is it?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:07 | 3071039 _underscore
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As a resident of the UK, which has (probably) the strictest gun related legislation/strictures of anywhere in the world (with the exception, possibly, of the Vatican City) & where 3 infamous mass shootings have taken place since 1987 involving the deaths of 44 people (inc. 16 children & not including the gunmen themselves) with many injured, facts alone show that tight & tightening gun laws themselves, won't deter someone with intent. Although that number of massacres doesn't compare with similar in the USA over the same period, remember, this is primarily an unarmed society & those predisposed to 'gun crime' will find the weapons if they really want them.

Given that, personally, I'm in favour of the UK's strict controls (even air guns aren't legally permitted only 12ft/lbs muzzle power), but there again, liberal gun laws have never been enshrined in our common law or rights as such, so it's a bit like banning big game hunting in Hyde park really.

I'm also wary (in any sphere or social legal context) of knee-jerk legislation in response to extreme events - they're invariably ineffective in their objective & often suffer the 'law of unintended consequences' from poorly drafted  wordings & ill thought-out ramifications.

Although in favour (in the UK) of strict gun laws, the UK is very different in many respects to the US - and I don't mean more/less violent per se or socially alienated, just different, with bigger geography, actual animal predators & a well-armed criminal fraternity - so simple nostrums like 'ban it' don't necessarily just work, as they do over here. I'm also aware of the USA's federal structure vis-a-vis 'national law' vs. 'state law' and how differences can produce more & bigger problems & crime 'opportunities' - the Prohibition Era & its attendant spawning of national organised crime network come to mind, for example.

Anyway, just a few thoughts from over here & my sincere condolences to all those affected in Newtown & elsewhere.




Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:02 | 3070173 Darth Sidious
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fact check please . . . i don't believe that. 


and what about other types of gun related violence?  Did that go up or down?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:44 | 3070983 StychoKiller
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Next thing ya know, they'll be targeting womp rats in Beggar's canyon...  :>D

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:14 | 3070206 SheepleLOVEched...
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just because you saw jeff sachs post this on twitter doesnt make it right or fucking retard

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:18 | 3070213 Stuck on Zero
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Hey Bulbous.  What about the Childers Palace Hostel fire?  That was a mass murder caused by arson. 

Mass murders don't require weapons. 


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:41 | 3070250 inevitablecollapse
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list of things that i've seen should be outlawed: rocks, knives, swords, bleach, arsenic, fire, cars, busses, planes, bows, arrows, rope, hands, feet, lasers, air, water, concrete, glass, alcohol...i guess i could go on, but every single one of those things have been used to kill someone within the last year

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:06 | 3070296 inevitablecollapse
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funny how easy it is to junk the truth without a response...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 03:01 | 3070451 Things that go bump
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Take it as a compliment.  You just got under someone's skin and they are too cowardly to even try to refute you.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:14 | 3071953 smiler03
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Nobody responded because only a dickhead would upvote:

"list of things that i've seen should be outlawed: .... hands.. feet .. air..." etc.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:19 | 3070217 Bicycle Repairman
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bulbous_walrus, you are obviously not an American, so butt the fuck out.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 06:09 | 3070567 awakening
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edit nvm

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:41 | 3070251 Yossarian
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Chinese kid shot 7 people, killed two at Monash University in 2002.  Gun laws had no bearing on the fact that he wasn't as good of a homidal maniac as some others.  This Harvard paper a worthy read:

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:54 | 3070274 Oldballplayer
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Yeah, but you guys are drunk most of the time.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:59 | 3070283 bulbous_walrus
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this is interesting, james holmes and adam lanza linked by libor:

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 03:57 | 3070492 BlackChicken
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I am calling you out asshole.

First you post this absurd bullshit:

"Australia suffered 13 mass murders between 1981 and 1996. In the 16 years since our gun law reforms: zero. No more excuses please America."

#1 I can't believe you pissed me off enough to log in.

#2 WE are Americans and don't make excuses to jerk-offs like you.

#3 How can you possibly be fucking stupid enough to make any negative comments/insinuations about us having guns? You pussies allowed them to be given up and were barraged by crime.

#4 You post a link to the most intelligent angle on this whole mess that I have seen yet, and still think our right to have guns is an issue? We have them to protect ourselves against the very evil that can do this to cover up the most advanced broad-daylight robbery in American history: Libor

# 5 You are either the worst troll/whore/shill of all time, or are so mentally unbalanced and disturbed that your attempt to share has exposed you as being one sick puppy at the minimum.

The suffering relatives, mothers, fathers, and family of the true victims here deserve so much more than you shill bitches making this into some kind of political issue. Go fuck yourself, and your helpless disarmed prison colony you call a country.

Really... Go guck yourself.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 04:29 | 3070504 bulbous_walrus
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you have guns to protect yourself against libor?

oh man look over there it's interest rate manipulation let's shoot it!  pew pew pew!!!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 04:49 | 3070516 BlackChicken
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Out of the points and insults/truths I said to you in public, your comeback is limited to taking one of my points out of content?

You actually are a pussy regardless of where you are from, you are not the sharpest pencil in the box, and are the worst troll/whore/shill I have ever seen.

Really, go fuck yourself.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:12 | 3070310 Navymugsy
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And how many Australians have been murdered or beaten because they weren't able to defend themselves because they were disarmed? Asshole.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 02:55 | 3070444 Nadaclue
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Delete" too late to the party".

Fuck you Austrialian sheep, STFU and mind your own Beeswax.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 04:02 | 3070494 Hobbleknee
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Note Norway, which had a massacre in 2011 that claimed 77 lives, in spite of strict gun control.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 04:32 | 3070505 SoCalBusted
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Were they pushed out of windows instead?


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 06:21 | 3070575 Lebensphilosoph
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How's life as a hapless puppet of the state down in Australia then? Debating gun crime as the crux of the debate the 2nd amendment is debating on the level of argument chosen by the statist opponents of the 2nd amendment.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:24 | 3071077 Lin S
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Dear friends in Oz and rest of world,

Learn to run your own affairs and STAY THE FUCK OUT OF OURS.






Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:16 | 3071973 smiler03
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Dear friends in America,

Learn to run your own affairs and STAY THE FUCK OUT OF OURS.


Non Americans

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 13:09 | 3071372 WTFRLY
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In Chicago alone, the gun crime is off the charts. Thank gun control.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 13:43 | 3071452 kchrisc
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What about the 2002 Monash University shootings?

All of these shootings and other murders and suicides are done by people on psychotropic drugs. The propaganda media avoids that like a used condom on the sidewalk.

They want and are going to take our firearms, at least the ones that can be rightfully used against them--long-guns/rifles. The time is coming and they know it.

And always remember that guns don"t kill people, mostly people in uniform do. Gov uniform that is.

Look up estimates of gov killings in the 20th. centuray: est. 260mil.

Without our weapons, we become permanent draft animals on their "tax farm."

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:01 | 3071860 Professor Fate
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Guns simply are not the problem here.  I hate to be the one to inform you but it is much easier to build a bomb than most think.  Much, much easier.  This kid did his work with a gun because he had been programmed to do so by viewing thousands of mega violent movies, television programs, and over-the-top games.  All of our "freedoms" come with responsibilities.  Just as we have a responsibility when we have firearms in our homes, there are responsibilities with freedom of speech.  If Bloomberg et al are going after our Second Amendments rights, we then need to look hard at the First Amendment rights as well.  To hell with Hollywood's version of freedom of expression.  Its worse than a Taliban training camp when it comes to our children.  A great start would be to dismantle Hollywood (nutcase by nutcase) and draw and quarter the likes of Quentin Tarantino.  I'm even willing to bet we could build a case around dismantling that harbinger of all that is evil, Bloomberg news.  Bloomberg is a ligeral idiot.  This is one of Pandora's boxes that needs to be left shut.

Fate the Magnificent

"Push the Button, Max"

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 02:25 | 3085927 GeoffreyT
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Talk about playing fast and loose with the truth... what's your definition of 'mass murder'?

There were SEVEN gun-related multiple (not 'mass') murders in Australia between the Milperra 'massacre' in 1984 (a bikie-gang disagreement: do you think they care if their guns are legal?) and Port Arthur...where a retarded bloke reached Special Forces levels of proficiency with multiple different firearms (sorry mate, no sale on that) including being able to 'switch shoot' (i.e., shoot both right and left handed). There were NONE between 1981 and 1984.

(Note - I am still of the opinion that Bryant was not the shooter, just as I was of the opinion that Eastman did not shoot Colin Winchester: for that I was lambasted in the 90s and early 00s... and this year Eastman's conviction was called into question and a new iunquiry with wide-ranging scope was announced).

Of the multiple killings, only one - Port Arthur - had a bigger death toll than the fucking FIRE that killed 15 backpackers in Childers - a fire that was deliberaterly set.

36 people were knocked off AFTER 1998 in the internecine strife in the Melbourne underworld... ALL were killed with guns.

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws (and the pigs - high-school failures who have a thing for bossing people around, the triggermen of the .gov crime syndicate) will have guns.


Guns are 'illegal' in Australia, and so is weed: and a fat old bloke like can get an ounce of weed and a CheyTac Intervention home delivered. The Law is nonsense for old women and frightened weird little guys.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:37 | 3070107 true brain
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Don't you know that American lives are worth more than other lives. It was the case in vietnam, Korea, now Iraq, Afghan, etc etc.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:39 | 3070110 F. Bastiat
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That's certainly the case in Afghanistan. One American is worth 1,000 of those savages.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:40 | 3070108 F. Bastiat
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I didn't see the despot shed any crocodile tears for the 13 Americans murdered by an islamist at Ft. Hood on 05 November 2009.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:43 | 3070128 true brain
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Those killed at Ft. Hood were adults, thus served no political purposes. Children on the other hand are political gold. thus politicians love kissing babies and then send those same babies to die in Iraq as adults.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:45 | 3070136 F. Bastiat
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It's certainly not clear that Western civilization can survive the ignorance it now harbours. I've long wondered whether 1,000 years of Western civilization could survive 100 years of the fantasies and illusions conjured up by mass-TV-media.  TBD, I guess.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:27 | 3070225 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Jesus save us

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:19 | 3070699 Mitzibitzi
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Reminds me of a car window sticker I saw just outside London a few weeks ago;

"Jesus Saves! But He gets a shitty rate of interest!"

Was on a Land Rover Defender with a full wading kit and snorkel. Couldn't help thinking the big bearded guy at the wheel might well have been somewhat of a prepper.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:45 | 3070380 zerozulu
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How about 178 kids killed by drones in Pakistan?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:48 | 3070989 StychoKiller
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Just another of those "chickens coming home to roost", correct, Rev. Wright?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:49 | 3070387 ZeroAvatar
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Oh, I'm sure Ogodhelpus was told by his 'handlers' to "show some emotion, Mr. President, it will look good to the people".  Unfortunately, his empty mind HAS no emotion, so (give him credit) he DID at least try to fake it.  How pathetic.  We are so fucked.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:49 | 3070127 lolmao500
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You're funny. You think they care about saving lives. All they care about is control and power so they can do whatever they want, from raping your daughter, to steal your pensions to kill all people who's name starts with an A.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:45 | 3070132 JLee2027
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The shooter is supposed to have killed himself when first responders arrived. Just think, if teachers were trained and armed this maniac would never have acted.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 02:18 | 3070423 Freddie
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At a bare minimum they should treat these things like a fire at the school.

If they hear gun shots, pull the fire alarm and everyone runs for the exits. Run as far away from the school as possible as fast as you can.   Staying in the building is as bad as being in a building on fire.

Far from perfect but it would have saved lives in Columbine, VA Tech and this school.   The evil **** at VA Tech chained some of the doors.

Gun Free Zones - every time too.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:10 | 3070618 Dr. Sandi
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You don't want madman shooters running out just any door and shooting the police instead of the intended victims. That's just crazy talk.

"Chain those doors and order a couple more boxes of the Krispy Kreme assorted filled. It's going to be a long day for those poor bastards inside with the perp. And we'll be here awhile too, looks like."

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:47 | 3070139 Michaelwiseguy
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Flying Killer Drone Robots

I've been saying the main stream media is a major enemy of the American people for a while because they lie by omission. I don't believe they can brainwash a critical mass of people anymore because virtually nobody tunes into their news channels these days. It used to be 20 million would watch CNN prime time, but that's down to about 500k now. The Internet is the new anti-mind control mechanism reaching billions of people today.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:50 | 3070147 European American
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How about SSRI control and Pharmaceutical control and Psychiatric control and ...

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:58 | 3070163 Element
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Yikes!! Might need a log there Johno know what I mean

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:32 | 3070170 Bicycle Repairman
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"But what about gun control? There is little doubt that in the coming years the gun-show loophole will be closed and Canadian-style longer waiting periods will be introduced."

This is baloney.  Since the "assault weapons" ban introduced by the Clinton administration, the gun grabbers have been on the run.  The ban has since been repealed, numerous court cases have gone against the gun grabbers, more and more people are tuning out the MSM and the sales of guns over the last 4 years has been nothing short of phenomenal.

This grandstanding over an unfortunate incident is basically the last stand for the gun grabbers and the MSM, as well.  Their days are over.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:38 | 3070242 john39
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They won't stop killing until they get what they want.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:20 | 3070701 unrulian
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This grandstanding over an unfortunate incident is basically the last stand for the gun grabbers and the MSM, as well. Their days are over.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:04 | 3070178 Some Bloke
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"And as the experience of many other countries including Britain and Australia shows, criminals and those with violent intent will still be able to get guns (the only people who will be disarmed are the law-abiding majority)."

And you'll find that what they do with those guns is shoot each other.  NO-ONE in Australia worries about not having a gun, or as te writer puts it, being disarmed. No one here wants a a bloody gun, we're all safer without them, weird how Americans cant grasp that concept.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:33 | 3070360 BooMushroom
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In the USA, many drugs are illegal. They are everywhere. This shows that making things illegal doesn't make them go away, especially when they are already entrenched. We remember our experiment with Prohibition of alcohol. We imagine a country where all the criminals have guns, and the law-abiding citizens do not, and we see the "us-vs-them" tribalism/racism/multiculturalism/sexism that is rampant here, and realize it would be a BAD thing. We have also read in history about the horrors that powerful governments can perpetrate on defenseless subjects.

Looking at your demographic information, race, religion, and literacy, as well as your border security (miles and miles of oceans) it is a small wonder you feel safe without a gun. But the USA is not Austrailia, and Austrailian solutions may not work for American problems.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:58 | 3070400 MoneyPowerWomen
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speak for yourself mate, try talking to some of the boys out in the bush. I assume you are just some metrosexual from Sydney.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 02:20 | 3070424 Some Bloke
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Sorry mate, I didn't realize we had a Troy Dan wannabe here.  Go drink your Bundy rum, do some boot scooting and take your government handouts for diesel fuel, drought relief and all the rest of it while complaining about dole bludgers. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 03:45 | 3070482 GoinFawr
Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:04 | 3070180 ball-and-chain
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I believe that all autistic people should get their own drone.

Then we could bomb Canada.

I also believe that those with Down's Syndrome should be issued a machine gun.

Bullets for everybody!



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:41 | 3070252 Calmyourself
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Go fuck the dragon lady, walk in some rice paddies and drink yourself into a stupor..  Stay in Korea dumbass.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:09 | 3070191 Cyclerider
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Doctors kill about 250,000 people a year with their mistakes.  Are we banning them?  No.  We just wrote them a blank check.

It's sickening to see how Obama and his allies are using these tragic deaths, which are a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of millions of tragic deaths committed by governments (google democide), to convince Americans they should surrender more of their freedoms.

What's even more sickening is that most Americans are going to buy it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:09 | 3070193 Bicycle Repairman
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The gun grabbers have tried gradualism to grab the people's guns and that has failed.  So all that is left is an attempt at immediate, outright seizure.  That would be an immense failure for TPTB.  They pride themselves in being master illusionists.  I think a door-to-door confiscation by the armed forces would end American exceptionalism completely and permanently.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:11 | 3070199 Diogenes
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If you have a problem, shoot somebody. Ridiculous? Or the first thing that comes to an American's mind?

Not long ago on this board it was pointed out that gun and ammo sales soared after the recent election. No one thought this at all peculiar, even though the US government has never backed down from guns, but has frequently backed down from organized masses of voters.

Yet no one thought of organizing. Everyone thought of guns. And no one saw anything crazy in this.

As long as shooting someone is the first solution that comes to mind, some young people and mentally unhinged will act on it.

Shooting should be the last thing that comes to mind, not the first. When that day comes the mass killings will stop. Not until then.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:24 | 3070208 Bicycle Repairman
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Are you an American? 

Obviously, you are not.  So your opinion is of no consequence.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:13 | 3070202 toady
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Thank you!

I've been saying all weekend that they can ban all they want and the millions of guns that are already out there won't be effected.

NOBODY is going to voluntarily give up their guns.

I'm thinking about getting more before it's too late...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:41 | 3070253 john39
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The fasccists are planning decades into the future.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:16 | 3070212 SheepleLOVEched...
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A gun buyback?! Cash for guns? hahahaha!!!! so where will the money come from for this? basically theyre making you PAY to give your guns back. Have people become this FUCKING STUPID?!!!!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:20 | 3070215 A Lunatic
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Not to mention the fact that in order to buy something "back" it must have originally belonged to them in the first place.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:28 | 3070345 SHEEPFUKKER

Similar to cash for gold "buyback" program under FDR it would appear. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:39 | 3070372 ZeroAvatar
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I hear the money for the Sandy victims has been held up in (congress?)  There just isn't any (until they print it, of course).

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:20 | 3070216 Jake88
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obama cries for the photo op, but not a tear for the innocents that he has murdered with his drones.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 04:20 | 3070499 BlackChicken
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Add to this the fact that the little bitch was faking the tears. This, is one of the most despicable things I have ever seen. Not that this actor is worse than Lindsey Lohan, but that people are not freaking out over how obvious it really is that the victims mean nothing; not when political leverage might be gained. This guy is a complete embarrassment to the Office of President, and to the human race. I Do not condone any out of bounds reaction to his behavior, but can only pray he grows a pair and has the decency to resign.

Can't help but wonder if any person in "office" has the balls to call him on this one. Anyone who did would become a hero, and time would honor them.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 09:02 | 3070787 Husk-Erzulie
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Cannot be pointed out often enough.  I didn't care for W either but I never actually felt physically ill watching him.  What a pathetic charade by the "Peace Laureate".

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:27 | 3070224 Timmay
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Turn on the T.V. and what do you see? Guns. How many detective shows are there? F-ing Jack Bauer was the man! Django! (the D is silent, but the guns are not). Tom Cruise? Guns. Arhnold? Guns. Hey, maybe we are getting progressive Vampires only bite to kill victims, but maybe that's because guns are useless against them?? 

Big Trouble in Little China? Guns. Ok, guns with Kung Fu, but guns none the less. Men In Black? Space guns. Star Wars? Future guns in a galaxy far, far away.

Remember Tu-Pac? Guns. Biggie? Guns. If we banned ALL guns then watching TV and Movies would be pointless, since there would be very little subject matter left.

Where is the blame for the media putting guns in our face 24/7? (and at a profit mind you). How about the Pharmacutical Industry quick to medicate any and all "ailments" for a buck??

Revolutionary War? Guns.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:33 | 3070232 F. Bastiat
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Ditched my cable service and got rid of my TV in 2006. One of the best decisions I've made.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 02:26 | 3070425 Freddie
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+1 million

ME too. F Hollywood and F TV.  ALL of it.  Hollywood's new Kill Whitey is coming out soon.  More race baiting and demonizing whites.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:46 | 3070258 Bicycle Repairman
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I haven't watched a cop show since "The Andy Griffith Show".

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:54 | 3070271 Jack Burton
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I'm Jack Burton and I want to know "Who stole my Truck"!


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:15 | 3070319 Setarcos
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Blaming medicines is ignorant and stupid for at least two reasons:  1) Psychopathic killers have existed for centuries, so obviously medications have not caused the phenomenon of mental disorders.  2) Appropriate medications have alleviated a lot of suffering ... such that thousands of people are no longer committed to psychiatric institutions and can live fairly normal and productive lives, e.g. people once crippled by bipolar disorder and anxiety disorders.

I succumbed to PTSD after some traumatic events and could have been completey disabled by panic attacks and agorophobia, but I was prescribed both Lorazepam (for anxiety) and Mirtazapine (for depression) and continued to function fairly well, until I now function largely without meds.

What are you going to tell a war vet Timmay?  Get over it?  Or what are you going to tell a raped young girl?  Get over it?

You really do not know what you are talking about.

And are you implying that TV and movies somehow cause gun violence?  Oh boy have I got old news for you.  Guns have been around far longer than mass media, same as the psychopaths have been around far longer than drug companies.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:37 | 3070364 eXMachina
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Exactly. I happen to be one of those who's life was/is saved by anti-depressants. As a business owner and a family man without meds I couldn't/I cannot function to a normal capacity. Saying mass murder is caused by anti-depressants is as ridiculous as saying guns kill people, it's just not true. There are serious issues with this society that are so deep that I don't care to elaborate further, I will say this. We as "civilized" (I use this term very loosely) people increasingly have too much time on our hands, I believe if we were more concerned about hiking 4-5km to a fresh water supply then problems such as this would be non-existent. Herein lies the issue, the more "modernized" we become the easier our lives get, subsequently the less civilized we seem to become. I have no answers for this, its just my observation. 

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