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Guest Post: Gun Control? No, Drone Control.
Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics blog,
The terrible massacre committed by a mentally-disturbed man in Newtown, Connecticut last Friday has prompted lots and lots of calls for gun control in the United States, as well as some calls for more help for the mentally ill.
There are some problems with both suggestions. First of all, the evidence shows that certain “treatments” for the mentally ill — specifically, SSRI antidepressants — are associated with shooting sprees. A 2006 study in the UK showed that antidepressants can cause severe violence in a small number of individuals. It is possible that increasing the screening and “treatment” for mental illness may result in more incidences of severe violence. (On the other hand some therapies like psychotherapy, music therapy, and art therapy might help certain individuals, but these are almost certainly less profitable for big pharma…)
But what about gun control? There is little doubt that in the coming years the gun-show loophole will be closed and Canadian-style longer waiting periods will be introduced. Semi-automatic weapons may well be banned. Buyback programs may be attempted. The Supreme Court might well even be stacked to achieve a majority that interprets away individual gun rights.
But America already has huge quantities of guns, far more than anywhere in the world:
The vast majority of America’s 285 million guns are in Republican states, which are unlikely to be disarmed easily, even with an overwhelming Federal consensus. Some might even try to secede from the Union.
And as the experience of many other countries including Britain and Australia shows, criminals and those with violent intent will still be able to get guns (the only people who will be disarmed are the law-abiding majority).
This trend is only likely to grow in coming years as technologies such as 3D printing make it possible for anyone with a 3D printer and an internet connection to potentially print a gun (and eventually, bullets):
Imagine an America in which anyone can download and print a gun in their own home. They wouldn’t need a license, a background check, or much technical knowledge, just a 3D printer. That’s the vision a cadre of industrious libertarians are determined to turn into reality.
Last week, Wiki Weapon, a project to create the first fully printable plastic gun received the $20,000 in funding it needed to get off the ground. The project’s goal is not to develop and sell a working gun, but rather to create an open-source schematic (or blueprint) that individuals could download and use to print their own weapons at home.
The technology that makes this possible is 3D printing, a process during which plastic resin is deposited layer by layer to create a three dimensional object. In the past few years 3D printers have become increasingly affordable, and just last week the first two retail stores selling 3D printers opened in the United States with models ranging from $600 to $2,199.
How is it possible to regulate that away? Ban 3D printing? Ban the distribution of gun schematics? Costly, damaging to liberty, and ineffective. The failed war on drugs makes this very clear — prohibition doesn’t work. Guns — like drugs — are a reality that society cannot just eradicate by passing laws. The mood has changed — America will try gun control. It won’t work — and may just make things worse. I wish we lived in a world without guns, but we don’t.
But there is a way forward. Very many of the mass shooters in the last two decades have a history of antidepressant use. If we want to stop mass shootings, maybe we should look at that.
And if we value life and are opposed to violence against innocents, why do we demand action when 27 innocent Americans die, but not when larger numbers of innocent Pakistanis, or Afghanis or Yemenis die? One drone strike in Pakistan killed 69 children, dwarfing the impact of the Newtown Massacre. With predator drones now in American skies, how long until the “collateral damage” (remember — the NDAA declared the entirety of America as a battlefield) eclipses the Newtown massacre? Or how long until a foreign power or terrorist group hacks into a predator drone (technically feasible) over America and uses it as a flying bomb? And how many more terrorist attacks against America will be fuelled by anger derived from the civilian casualties of the drone wars?
Obama might cry for Americans in Newtown, but where are his tears for the Pakistani and Yemeni children he has slaughtered? And what about for the many victims who died as a result of thousands guns shipped by the US government to the Mexican drug cartels via Fast and Furious?
America might be ready to implement gun control. I wish America was ready to implement drone control.
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So maybe we simply require people taking prescription mind altering drugs surrender their weapons? There are no easy solutions and they are they are all flawed. We just have to be respectful of everyone's rights....or not.
Alcohol has far, far worst effects on the mind when under influence then any mind altering drug. Do you also believe prohibition should also be reinstated? The point of my post was, banning this and that has little desired effect and will ultimately see other problems unearthed after implementation. The solutions here are outside the status quo.
Alcohol! Boy have I seen that destroy people and destroy families.
Where I live you gotta be a hard drinker to be a real man, so I drank hard. Same in the military, we all had to be hard drinking men!
I lost most of my 20's because I was drinking hard. I suffered crippling depression also. In my early 30's I fell in love, got married, had a daughter and threw the fucking alchohol away completely and began to live a real life. The depression went away as well on it's own. Alcohol was a trigger that threw me and kept me depressed, it causes more death and mental problems than anything else. Ask a cop, any cop, what is the cause of most violence. Simple reply. ALCOHOL! End of story.
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What? Are you being serious? Worse than crack or methamphetamine, perhaps? Get a clue.
Mirtazapine is pretty mild and fairly safe. It is very good and cheap for people suffering from insomnia. It is much better than the far more expensive sleep disorder drugs. Lorazepam is pretty mild as far as I know.
I think the problem is these young people and kids who probably:
1. Have poor diets of junk food including crap like Mtn Dew, other soda, energy drinks, corn syrup in everything. 2. Too many video games and violent videos. 3. Self indulgent and self absorbed parents. 4. Lack of exercise. 99% of these kids have not experienced the tough stuff you have had. I am not saying kids need to be jocks but exercise helps release dopamines. I have seen it myself. Kids sitting for endless hours playing violent video games is very bad.
I also think that young people children cannot tolerate these more powerful drugs. I know a guy with 3 sons and the family is struggling. The eldest in 13 and demands stuff from the parents an dis abusive and swears. I told the dad that he needs to tell the kid this is totally unacceptable behavior. Yeah it is none of my business but the father lets the kid get away with this abuse. ???
Kids no longer grow up out on the street and in the woods. We never hung around home on weekends and summers. We were out playing ball, walking the streets, building forts in the woods, hiking to the swimming hole, etc. etc.
Kids become social when they function in a group of peers, you learn how to fit in how to get along and how to settle problems among yourselves. You become social beings. Now a days? Look at these fat kids slumped over the video control at home. The streets of the towns are empty, the only games played are organized by adults and run by adults. We played football, baseball, ice hockey from age 5 to 18. There were organized sports to be sure, but we played all the time, most games were our own pick up games. Pick a team, and agree the rules and make the decissions ourselves. I pity kids today. No wonder so many are screwed up.
Relationships of all kinds with REAL PEOPLE are vital to becoming human. Sports, band, drama, hobbies and all kinds of real kid activities that involve other people are essential to a functional society.
Without real relationship experience you end up with people running loose in public, acting like they're on Zero Hedge. I would not want to do face time with people who think it's okay to act out in person the way they do in their 'real' online lives.
We have lost the ability to relate to each other through the convenience and wonder of electronic media. We have given away our humanity to answer the 'Call of Doody."
Lorazepam is also known as Ativan. It can be pretty addictive with a very short half life compared to Valium (which is what a rehab will sometimes use to taper addicts off of Ativan). Even people taking it as prescribed can go into seizure due to the short half life. I dated a pharmacist who was addicted to Ativan and it cost her her career, house, car, everything. Some people need it for preventing panic attacks but I would never call it "mild". It's a benzodiazepine that Big Pharma pushed onto the market because Valium got some bad press a while back.
http://www.drugs.com/lorazepam.html
Setarcos, you bring up a lot of good points. My thinking is very similar to yours. i know psych meds very well and i have a bipolar son. These meds, properly used are life savers and life restorers and rarely lifelong. However, it is tricky when you are intervening in neurochemistry and the outcomes are variable and the diagnoses are often inexact and overlapping. it is also virtually impossible for them to suddenly turn you into a psychopathic killer when used properly. If that were true think what would have happened over time with illegal drugs. It is only happening now in our modern era.
When I was a kid, guns were everywhere in my semi-rural neighborhood. Virtually all boys had at least a .22 rifle by age 12 or 13. i knew about guns, shooting and safety as far back as I can remember. My dad kept one in the nightstand by the bed. Everyone knew where their dad's guns were and not one gun massacre anywhere. In the old West and all of America's early history men carried side arms and even sabers. No great massacres you can name. No school, church or mall/shop massacre's. When we fought it was a messy affair of fists, kicks, and wounded pride. It was not a fatal affair.
This Lanza kid stole his mom's weapons which were all legal and registered in a tough gun law state. There would be no background check of any sort for him.
Kid's stay indoors, watch video games where you blow people away, rip out their spines and win things for it. They watch horror movies that would be rated X for violence not many years ago. I am not going to see Saw 45 and how to terrorize and dismember. There are no real consequences associated with the virtual killing. They spend hours in basements, online and sometimes in person with many others who think some sort of cop-out, the-world-sucks-dysfunctionality is cool. Having your name on TV for anything is the greatest. In the "olden days", say the wild West, you saw real gun violence and you understood the consequences. That is gone, now.
Some fault vaccines or other things and we wonder about the prevalence of these disorders. i think when you are in a primitive and physically active society these disorders are minimized even if they are there. When you are hunting bear or they are hunting you it keeps you focused. Being bipolar could be useful if you were a Viking beserker. Maybe the gene pool is degrading. I don't know. I expect alot is careful diagnosis and then we make them "special" in some way.
Remember, too we really do not know this kid's story, yet. We are making a narrative and trying to make sense. Maybe he did some of those new bath salts and when totally out of his mind delusional. Who knows? He did kill himself so he had some grasp of reality. He did prepare quickly, even to body armor.
The answers however, are not less medical therapy. This kid may not have had any. The answer is not gun control, either. Guns and drugs, even illegal ones have been around forever. Guns were worn in public and you could go to an opium parlor and no one did this stuff.
Even though I do not have a good answer to this situation or the Aurora shooter I do know that government will use or try to use this as an opportunity for more "control". As always, it will be pitched as for our own good.
Where where these massacres in 1900 then? In the 1920s? 1930s? In the 1950s? In the 60s? Your blathering makes no sense whatsoever. Americans were armed for decades before these 'problems' reared their head. It's clearly not somethign that has always been with us, as you are vainly attempting to argue.
Violence with guns is glorified, codified into the very fabric of our society through the very same media that is now denouncing it. The irony.
Guns do not operate movie cameras.
Sorry - I'm reposting this - this has to be read and understood. If a person can understand that 9/11 was an inside job - you have to consider that these shootings are also false flags.
Mass shootings appear to be one of the only false flags that TPTB are able to pull off these days. Using documented mind control methods as spelled out in the CIA’s Project MKUltra, (even Wiki admits this happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra ) these Manchurian candidates are brainwashed, tortured and trained in as little as 4 months.
The Hegelian Dialect is used to usher in gun control. Hasn’t been working too well so they are stepping it up.
Notice that these killers are always associated with some government agency, university or have parents that are associated with some psych department, university or agency as well. In this case, the father was about to testify against Libor Gate. Two-for-one. Gun control and silencing a witness.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/coloradouniversitydrill23jul12.shtml
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/14/who-really-killed-the-connecticut-children/
http://globalrumblings.blogspot.com/2012/07/colorado-gunman-possible-mk-ultra.html
Too much Alex Jones, too much paranoia ... just because 9/11 was an inside job, it does not follow that everything is a false flag.
Yes there are conspiracies, but I notice that Usans tend to be over the top on paranoia.
Maybe it's a generational thing of the boomers having the shit scared out of them, with the totally false propaganda that they were about to get nuked by the Soviet Union and/or over-run by 'communists/socialists'.
In the real world, back then, the Soviet Union was struggling to keep up with the Washington-imposed arms race and there was ZERO chance of 'communism/socialism' taking hold, because that ideology only appeals when people are impoverished and yearn for a more equal share.
At the time - 50s-70s - things were far too good in the US for socialism to gain traction (had during the impoverished 20s-30s) so your gubbermint scared the crap out of you and engendered general paranoia ... now directed towards Islam, or any random "object of fear" an individual conjurs up.
MKUltra per se is unnecessary when folks like you have been brainwashed by common propaganda, via the MSM, since the 1950s.
I read this morning where the AR platform rifle, said to be in the trunk of the car, got itself out and went into the school.
It was replaced by what is now being called a "shotgun," which apparently climbed into the trunk as the AR crawled out.
These guys can't even get the armament right.
Oh, and what happened to the ubiquitous Second Suspect we always hear about at these events? Hmmmm?
"Hey, boss, handguns are not gonna cut it. We gotta get an "assault rifle" into this story."
AR jig + 80% lowers = legally unregistered and unserialized
http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/TACMHAR5
The more you know!
The comments on this site are getting way too preachy.
well said
It seems these 'school mass shootings' occur with clockwork regularity just when certain people want the attention of the television watching masses diverted. I don't buy a bar of it. Others can propose their theories about past shootings, but look at a few simple facts;
everyone in the pictures posted online, on telly and in print is wearing makeup.
the emergency vehicles are parked perfectly parallel and not like you would expect a hurried crew to do. don't blast me with "they reparked the trucks later" cos i won't believe you.
we see no evidence of bodies, blood or anything. nothing. SHOW ME THE BODIES. it's good enought to show dead and tortured arabs, so let's see some dead and maimed americans for once.
the grieving families are not distraught enough. no, they just talk unhesitantly to the camera. looks too much like a script to me.
the HNIC crocodiles on cue.
<yawn> don't believe a fucking word of it.
when the governments come for your guns, shoot first and be damned. make sure to get as many of 'them' as possible. 'they' are the vilest projection of mass foolishness.
Yes, where is control of Washington and Wall Street?
Where is my right to property and to not have my savings and investments "vaporized"?
Where is my right to not have my door kicked in without a warrant, and of habeus corpus?
Where is my right to not be photographed, video recorded, voice recorded, or otherwise monitored at every turn and my freedom eliminated in the name of "safety" and "democracy" and "justice"?
I think it fled to Belize wearing shades and a fake beard.
Getting the Attorney General to stop shipping them into the drug cartels may help a little. Prosecuting bankster fraud and propaganda may also help. When fraud is used to control people something within the psyche of humans forces change. It is a natural process that occurs without regard to human suffering. In other words social change does not happen according to the will of people.
OUR country mate. Bugger off
Is there something about the term "freedom" that we can no longer understand? We have been punishing murderers since the beginning of time. When did it become required to prevent someone from doing bad things at the cost of everyone else's freedoms? The next Obama czar will be precrime division?
Most Americans of my acquaintance don't understand the term freedom, and never have.
Freedom to many means the freedom to buy the crap you've been told everybody wants at whatever big box store you choose.
I'm watching CNN right now, Piers Morgan (I know, I, know), and they are having a witch hunt on gun owners. They are going to milk this for everything. We may see some serious limitation on our gun rights. One sick fuck makes this happen.
Just letting you people know who only tune into alternative media. You should watch the mainstream stuff, from time to time, to know your enemy.
Dude - turn off The Matrix (TV and Hollywood). Your viewership gives this scum power. Piers Morgan is a Brit. He got caught in the phone hacking case in the UK as did Murdoch.
You gotta keep your pulse on the mainstream, like it or not. Looks like you do.
Thanks for that valuable info about him being a Brit. I did not know that, til just now, when you enlightened me.
I used to believe that too. But we told Comcast to turn off the mind control rays a few years back.
We still have the Internet and I'm pretty sure I'm feeling the pulse more clearly than ever.
And with the DVD player, we can still watch specially filtered crap of our own choosing. And the special disks we choose still cost less than when we paid for the 'free' TV.
That's the ultimate win-win to me.
I have not watched CNN since January 2012. CNBC, MSNBC, all the others have not been turned on in my house since then. RT TV and Current News are adequate. Local news on internet other than the weather.
I saw some Piers Morgan last night. That guy is complete idiot. He is the typical hysterical liberal and a shallow one at that. I watched him interview Netanyahu about the Palestinian situation and he talked the whole time and told Bebe how to solve the problem. Netanyahu was amazing in his calm tolerance of this moron.
i am thinking of canceling all my cable.
The best thing about Piers Morgan is that he left the UK, hopefully to never return.
In Africa a few years ago some rebels entered a church and hacked to death a number of men, women and children.
Some people have no conscience about these things. If they outlaw guns, they will buy fertilizer and make a bomb like they did in Oklahoma. When someone has it in their warped mind to kill and are obsessed with it, they will probably do so.
This has nothing to do with gun control.
For some things there are just no answers. Yet in the last few decades government control seems to be more oppressive than in the past and maybe the weaker links in society are snapping. We are humans and therefore not all the same, although they treat everyone like they should be little robots with a number and no speakers with which to make noise.
Since the beginning of time there are those who shock us with atrocities. It will not change regardless how many laws they make.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJzpAO3hEw This should blow a few minds.
Ah, yes.
You know, everybody knows the start of 'Americans'.
They declared unalienable human rights (their natural rights theory), just to mock them in the following.
It sets the bases and leads to a world of confusion.
It is funny to read how 'Americans' need that symetry thing. 'Americanism' no longer allows to part things one from another.
What happens in a war zone has to happen in a peace zone.
There is no longer borders between war and peace, 'americans' have blended these two states.
Eternal war, eternal peace because they are the same.
What's up with you? Did an American girl break your heart? Here is how America started out. Voyages and expedititions were typically financed and as a consequence, there were instructions to follow. People take orders from those who give them if their very life depends on it.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/European_Colonization_of_the_Americas
Early European possessions in North America included Spanish Florida, the English colonies of Virginia (with its |North Atlantic off-shoot, The Somers Isles) and New England, the French colonies of Acadia and Canada, the Swedish colony of New Sweden, and the Dutch New Netherland. In the eighteenth century, Denmark–Norway revived its former colonies in Greenland, while the Russian Empire gained a foothold in Alaska.
As more nations gained an interest in the colonization of the Americas, competition for territory became increasingly fierce. Colonists often faced the threat of attacks from neighboring colonies, as well as from indigenous tribes and pirates.
I note sadly that the pirates have made a strong comeback.
Yes, and now they are "legal" with the Fed Reserve Act.
Maybe they should have banned Planes after the World Trade Center massacre.
you would be fine with the same regulations/laws that regulate planes/pilots and those be applied to guns?
or you are just another of the pathetic idiot mass posting on here..........many are the best arguement for keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally challenged that could exist , oh the irony.
You call it
About 800k Tutsi's died at the hands of Hutu's. Favorite weapon: Machete.
Note Norway on the chart, which had a massacre in 2011 that claimed 77 lives, in spite of strict gun control.
Americans: WAKE UP and start taking those non-idiot pills!
I find it ironic that liberty seekers/exponents can't see how mass private gun ownership is the ultimate shackle. How could you possibly be free, knowing any random person could decide to shoot you at any time and have the weapons to do so? When TSHTF, half of you are going to kill the other half and mob rule will be the only rule of law. Would you really want that and what sort of freedom would that be?
There is nothing to wake from.
'Americans' are like a junkie who knows that severing drugs might help him to go better.
But he has to go through the pain of rehab.
And he cant endure that.
But sometimes, he tries, just to find more justification in his addiction habits.
Anytime he starts to feel the pain of drugs severance, he takes a new fix which eliminates immediately the pain.
And he comes back, yelling at everyone that he does not suffer from drugs, he suffers from not consuming drugs as shown by the evidence.
Anytime he tries to stop drugs, he is in pain.
Anytime he takes to allievate the pain, he goes fine.
'Americans' are in the very same situation when it comes to 'americanism'.
'Americans' know no way out of guns but more guns.
'Americans' know no way out of debt but more debt.
'Americans' know no way out of uniformity but more uniformity.
The cure for all the ailments of 'americanism' is even more 'americanism'
Nothing else should be expected from 'americans'.
The television has told Americans who they are, what they must have, what their opinions should be, and how it really is. The television blares in every home. These people have been bombarded every waking moment with advertisements and suggestions of how to be a "better person." Buy My Goddamn Product" screams at them at every turn. The commercials of full-screen perfectly crafted dishes of huge amounts of their favorite dishes and fast food meals, in High Definition and technicolor, fool them into thinking that their hunger is for food and not for justice.
Americans have created a country worth living in. People with potential can be discovered here. Money flows through hands and opportunities are everywhere if you just leave the house. Or it used to be.
This is the banks. The Fucking Banks. This is a psy-op, an experiment with a goal and the goal is to separate the Americans from their assets. But you know that because it is also taking place in several other countries, all but a few in fact.
Attention deficit disorder is alive and well. Connecting the dots is necessary in this situation. It's The Fucking Banks.
Sounds like Chineseism except for the guns in the hands of citizens.
First of all, the bad guys most probably would retain their weapons since they are undoubtedly unregistered and/or stolen.
And secondly, home protection is necessary in this economy for the initial reason since we know what happens to witnesses. Local police are swamped with burglary calls in my town.
Lastly, this video explains what happens when madmen just happen to make it into positions of unlimited power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iDivHkQ2GSg#!
"The Story of Gun Control Worldwide"
Yes, I want the chance to die fighting with at least the same weapon as whoever is trying to kill me rather than bleating helplessly.
Obama might cry for Americans in Newtown, but where are his tears for the Pakistani and Yemeni children he has slaughtered?
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Obama is a servant to the US American public (aka 'american' middle class)
Obama does what it takes to secure the consent of the governed.
Weeping for foreign children would be poorly received by an 'american' middle class, a loud treason to the brave 'american' middle class military personal deployed there to kickstart their life living off blood money.
Weeping for US American kids is mandataroy as well as the 'american' middle class would severely punish a lack of.
Obama, as any other 'american' middle class dances to the tunes of their 'american' middle class. 'American' rulers are servants to their 'american' middle class. They have to comply with every wish, want and desire by their 'american' middle class.
They are puppets on strings.
Gun control - just a euphemism for people control - usually advocated by control freaks.
There are no truly free people in a world of laws and government as that would mean social anarchy; so its a relative concept; individual freedoms.
Having said that, the so called democratic world does enjoy RELATIVE individual freedoms with respect to third world citizens who have a net disadvantage in terms of legal institutional organisation, material wealth and technologically based progress.
So according to you the whole of the so called democratic world is under Statist control freaks, and the USA is the ONLY land of the TRULY free?
If words mean deeds and attitudes mean real commitment, I wonder who is paranoid/delusional and who is sane; you or I?
Reality bites as the Poster of this thread eloquently points out. It bites in Pak/Agfh/Irak under US government will, as it bites in ricochet, in Colombine and Newtown on individual mindsets of fragile individuals caught in their own fantasy world, like in Templar mayhemed Oslo; its not specific to one nation or tribe.
This autistic post-adolescent, super intelligent, totally introverted and uncommunicative, maybe saw himself as an elite SEAL doing what he felt was the essence of free will, slaughtering the lambs to make a statement whose content we will never know as he is dead. Buts whose writing is on the wall written in red.
Its a societal statement of individual paranoia feeding his death wish, just like the SEALS/CIA shills do their killing of others in the silence of the Drones, programmed from far away.
Is that the world we are heading to?
Does every individual, political/tribal faction in the world, make its mission statement in violence to ensure media resonance and a place in the sick power equation of world-wide 'instant cawfee- media buzz' reknown? The MEdium being the message!
DOes US society based on DOminus and MErcator, show the world the route to this new individual/collective interface based on the NRA's claim : in guns, aka violence and summary individual justice, we trust?
Dominus and Mercator were the two tits of Roman wolverine progeny's hubristic death wish in collective decadence.
Narcissism and instant power galore, every Oligarch for himself!
Lets not forget that, it ended badly for them. It destroyed their collective MINDSET.
Well, was thinking on this for a spell, and now that you have put it into a story headline, it’s time to expound the writings on this subject.
Here we see the drones in the middle east and other assorted testing grounds for these evil heartless killers going rampant on innocents with no real concern by the public at large in the country that is responsible for these evil attacks. Mission accomplished. Soon, it will be America’s turn. They are killing and murdering as trained to do, but also, we see the drones attacking and killing here in Newton, CT too.
No, not the flying remote controlled ones, we are witnessing the drones of the bush mind controllers being activated to advance the gun control agenda of the babylonian banksters. These human drones are worse than their aerial counterparts, because they are programmed for suicidal missions so there is no possibility of discovering evidence of the last years of mind conditioning and mission assignment objectives. We read from this revealing and older report:
“If the tested applicant has more than 120 IQ, a "recall" command and an accompanying "trigger" word will be written into his personality during the Level One hypnosis session. This "trigger" will activate his recall program when we are ready for him. We then systematically do a background search and create a file for future reference.
If there are no relatives, to speak of, the subject will be "recalled" and taken to a location of our choice. Further tests for vulnerability will be conducted at this location. If he passes these tests, he is then brought to Level 2 hypnosis where specific instructions are "written" (placed through hypnotic commands and suggestions) into his personality and he is given diverse small orders.
If the subject, upon release, shows that he has retained the instructions which were "written" into his personality, and if he carries out the small and unimportant work duties which were assigned under Level 2 hypnosis, he will receive a "recall service notice".
The timing of a "recall service notice" depends on how quickly we can determine that the programming which was "written" into the subject�s personality has enabled him to complete his Level 2 work assignments properly. Once this determination has been made, a "recall service notice" will be given to him by a person, or "handler" to whom we have introduced him.
If the subject was not given a "trigger" word, the "handler" will use a quick and powerful form of hypnosis similar to Neural Linguistic Programming. The subject will be told when and where to report. The subject will have no memory of being given these instructions, he will just report on time to the proper location. IF the subject was given a "trigger" word or symbol. He will report to the designated location upon activation of the "trigger".”
We have all long known they would use these kinds of drone candidates to implement the reasons for the final clamp-downs on the last of America’s liberties and constitutional rights. Imagine the possibilities of having human drones at your command for any kind of deviant purposes. Ask, what does “poppy” bush have to do with this mans death, big pharma, mind kontrol, and many other assorted evil murderous deeds?
MIND CONTROL IN AMERIKA: Five Easy Steps To Create A Manchurian Candidate:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/operation.htm
There are oodles of al-cia-duh mind control stories and research about it all over the internet if you look for them. Or say, what do drugs and mind control have in common? And the history of such usages? The real astonishing problem is now there is an army of unknown candidate drones poised to be put into action for any number of “jobs” the Manchurian Candidate can be deployed for.
Here is a link for background research into the history of these kinds of events involving SSRI drugs and mind control experiments. Check it out and pass it on to your lists people. These crimes that are happening right in front of a dumbed down nation and world are way to insane to let go on and on and on with no real recourse, or truthful investigations.
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php
It is not the guns that kill, it is the SSRI drugs and mental conditioning, or brainwashing that does. Giving these drugs to kids is like giving a two year old a loaded and cocked hair-triggered gun! The out right banning of these kinds of drugs is the ONLY way to begin to stop this insanity. Prozac, Zoloft, Luvox, Paxil, and all related SSRI antidepressant drugs must be made as illegal as heroin, cocaine, methamphetamines, or any other dangerous substances. There should be harsh attachments of jail time for the distribution of this poisonous evil, and yet it is legally condoned by the sheep who take live virus vaccines to prevent the flu. Not going there in this write.
Why Would a Young Person Start Shooting in School?:
http://www.anh-usa.org/why-would-a-young-person-start-shooting-in-school/
We all must also uncover the criminal mind-controllers behind the puppets that do this.
The CIA Mind Control Doctors: From Harvard to Guantanamo:
http://www.cchrint.org/2009/09/03/cia-mind-control-doctors/
CIA MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENTS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSOOK3tocTk
Mind Control Cover-up: The Secrets of Mind Control:
http://wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol
Follow the yellow brick road!
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If that were the case, it should be fairly easy to discover when and in what capacity Mr. Lanza visited the premises beforehand.
America is sick. You send your young out to kill all over the world. What do you expect.?
You have a bunch of sociopaths running your banking, your defense and your government, well most of your industries, how can your people be normal?. Look at your movies, violence, bigger, badder, louder, more more more! Look at the fat and wobbling in Wall Mart, hardly capable of walking from the car to the store. No, you have come off the track. I feel sorry for those in your country that just want to get on with a peaceful life. This is not going to stop, before you take a good hard look at yourself. Everything is for sale, it is just a matter of the price. You have sold you dignity, your morality, your pride and your future. If you continue on that road, there is no hope, you will sink forever deeper, and you will pull many with you. The choice is in each and every one of you, this is not something you can just blame on others. You will have to fight for it, each and every day, or you will have to fight once, and it might be all over.
If that limited the damage to the USA, I would not mind, but your sick and twisted way is exported all over the world. Control, control and control. You are becoming the East Germany of the whole world, and you saw how that ended.
Expect something from your people, don't just feed them as if they were in a zoo.
And please, leave the rest of the world alone, what you have become is not something I would wish for anyone else.
British Bankers are not sociopaths but helpful launderers of drug money....HSBC is back in the drugs trade like the old days in China.......people like Holgerdanske are po-faced charlatans who have no idea of anything and stay away from anything with sharp points living in a cotton wool nest. They are basically unaware of the real world living in a Socialist Womb awaiting Abortion
"Whaambulance for tyler durden."
Now is not the time for Americans to give up their guns.
Roger that.
How about bankster control? That would save a LOT more lives around the world!
Countries where guns aren't allowed have less gun crime...so it's a TOTAL no brainer to do the same in the US. Either that, or at least increase regulation by a lot.
And before anyone says "it's my right, blahblahblah...", yes...you are corrrect. But that right costs children's lives, and that alone should make you think twice about whether it's fair for you to have that right at the trade-off of killing kids.
Non sequitur. It's not a 'no brainer' unless one has assumed, as you have, that beign a hapless cog in the machinery of the state is preferable to having 'gun crime', which in any case is like every other crime fundamentally a societal, not a gun, problem.
We don't live in times of the revolution anymore...there is no army invading you for crying out loud. Your weapons wouldn't protect you anyway, because compared to the US army arsenal it's laughable...
Fact is, it costs children's lives...and that's WRONG.
When that law was added it was under entirely different circumstances than today. It's time to adapt...
There is an invasion taking place. It's called Agenda 21. The enemy isn't in uniform. There has been no prouncement of war. But there is a clear coup in the process. The collapse of an ecomy has dire consequences including being at the mercy of grants from a nongovernmental agency put into place by the United Nation's Agenda 21. You bargain with the devil when desperation reaches a certain point. What is unfolding globally isn't an error, it is designed to collapse economies and gain control of their banks. Predatory lending has a goal, to make the customer default. They make certain it happens. Returns are worth the means, it's a heist.
Tell that no revolution malarkey to Bill Ayers and Ohummmer. We are living the beginings of it now and it is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets bettter
You sound foolish. This tragedy was simply evil but it has little to do with the tools used. He would have found a way and history shows that millions of sick individuals have found ways.
because compared to the US army arsenal it's laughable...
Yes, and how's that incomparable arsenal doing in A-stan? Or even Baghdad? Or Benghazi?
We have seen repeatedly over the last 50 years that a determined local population, armed with just a few rifles, can hold off the US Army. And that's foreigners; how many servicemen do you think will turn their guns on their own families and friends?
Because of all the above, the fascists know they have to undermine morale, disarm as much as possible, and keep the masses fed and hypnotized. You are only helping to further their agenda.
A life without liberty is not worth living. If liberty costs 'human lives' because of the sickness inherent in the society formed by these 'human lives', then so be it.
I'd like you to tell that to one of the mothers who lost their child during that shooting...not sure she'd agree with you.
Fact is, your "right" costs the lives of innocent people. How you deal with that FACT is up to you, but at least in my case I wouldn't mind giving up my gun to save children's lives.
so you, who wouldn't shoot a child, would give up your gun?
that's brilliant.
I bet Syria had little gun crime until Obama and Saudi Arabia got going. I bet Sweden had little gun crime until Malmo got new citizens
You Sir are ready to be a slave. Througout history free men are armed and slaves ....
I am surprised Switzerland is not high on your graph.
Every citizen has to do two years national service and they are issued with a rifle which they keep at home after their two years service in case they are called up. You could have a family with four rifles.
That's a common misconception ;)
Most people store their guns at the barracks, and those who take it home only have 1 clip at home. Ammunition is highly regulated.
Another factor is that the crime rate is sooooooo low compared to the US for example. Salaries are crazy high (I made $35/hr serving drinks during weddings...or $50/hr counting votes while I was a student), healthcare is good (damn communists, right?), and people have very little reason to shoot anyone.
People generally don't feel like they need guns to be safe in Switzerland, the cops are good enough and we pay them well to provide us with that safety. Our cops all went through military training too, so they tend to be quite good.
America != Switzerland
300M : 'white*' 64%, 'hispanic' 15%, 'black' 13%, 'asian' 5%, other 3%
7M : German 65%, French 18%, Italian 10%, Romansch 1%, other 6% -> 93%+ 'euro'
Your type of society doesn't 'scale up' at least not in our non-homogenous population case, unfortunately.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Seems to be your militia needs some regulations.
I don't see any mention of 'regulated by the Federal government' there.
Well the militia seem incapable of self regulation.......
Where did the English Militia go ? It was turned into the TA and is now integrated into the Standing Army exactly as the National Guard in the USA. "Militia" is NOT a standing force by definition
They don't need to be given $20,000 to start work on the gun. Architechs already have the machine ready to go. Just buy one.
Long quotation, as the source is a gold-mine:
The results? The average number of "disciplinary incidents per 1000 person-days" dropped from 16 to 10.4 in the active group (p<0.001), which is a 35% reduction, whereas the placebo group only dropped by 6.7%. Especially violent incidents in the active group dropped by 37%, and in the placebo group only 10.1%. That's a pretty impressive finding, really. Currently, Gesch is working on a study of 1000 prisoners in 3 different UK prisons for a 3 year trial, including blood chemistry analysis to see what the baseline levels of micronutrients are in the prisoners, and also more cognitive testing, designed to answer some questions the earlier study couldn't answer...
Epidemiological research, for instance, shows that major changes in dietary patterns over time have taken place, especially in industrialized world during the last century [Cordain et al., 2005; Crawford et al., 1999; Muskiet, 2005; Simopoulos, 1999]. These changes resulted in (micro)nutrient intakes that are significantly lower than in the ancient, Paleolithic diet. Indeed, some ecological studies show correlations between diet and behavioral outcomes [Christensen and Christensen, 1988; Hibbeln, 2001; Peet, 2004], including criminal behavior [Hibbeln, 2001]. A major limitation of epidemiological studies is, however, the impossibility of making causal inferences. For this reason, the findings mentioned above must be judged with caution and experimental confirmation is needed...
In all, 221 young male prisoners completed the study. Many dropped out, often due to transfer to another prison or being released. Of the completers, numbers of violent events in the active group dropped 34%, whereas incidents in the control group increased 14%. The overall number of incidents was lower (11 per 1000 person-days) in the Dutch prison compated to the UK one, but the percentage change was still significant. There were no significant differences in any of the cognitive, personality, and behavioral testing measures used, just the actual incidents...
Just want to mention here Schoenthaler's randomized controlled trial from 2000, of 80 six-twelve year old schoolchildren who had previously been disciplined at school in "working class" Hispanic neighborhoods of Phoenix - Schoenthaler notes that previous randomized controlled trials of supplementation of the RDA for prisoners resulted in a 40% decrease in number of violent acts - his results were a 47% decrease in violent acts among the supplemented kids compared to the placebo controls.[source]
Comment: if you're looking for an industry that has exploded in the last 30 years, look to the fast-food industry, and especially look at the battle over school meals & nutrition (Jamie Oliver, although he has flaws, has run an amazing campaign, and even tried it in America, where he was largely ignored, mocked and vilified. Ho-hum.) But who is going to change the diet of the USA, especially with so much lobbying dollars at work for your favourite soda, burgers and E-numbered pink slime?
Common sense: Put shit in, get shit out.
This is, I'm sorry to say it, a place where some paternalism is very useful: parents are not magical pixies, and rarely know as much as scientists. I'd be happy following scientific advice for the diet of developing children rather than some soulless branding marketing guru from Madison avenue.
These two trends—the growth in advertising channels reaching children and the privatization of children's media use—have resulted in a dramatic increase in advertising directly intended for the eyes and ears of children. It is estimated that advertisers spend more than $12 billion per year to reach the youth market and that children view more than 40,000 commercials each year. These figures represent dramatic increases over those from the 1970s. [source]
In FY 2011, federal spending totaled $10.1 billion for the National School Lunch Program. This federal support comes in the form of a cash reimbursement for each meal served.[source]
So, the USA spent $2 billion more on influencing the buying patterns of children (you know, that whole "developing brain" issue: see here for a section of the documentary "The Corporation") than it did making sure that they've a chance at a nutritional diet that is proven to reduce violent behaviours (and remember, NSLP comes under massive pressure from all those companies selling "re-formed turkey paste patties twislers" to schools).
Far from me to stoop to inference and magical thinking, but I'm guessing the real problem here. And it's got little to do with guns; you might even find out that with decent nutrition, all those cases of ADHD, "oppositional defiance disorder" and the massive psychological bullshit market around child behaviour might shrink a lot, and you'd not need all these adults on SSRIs.
But that, I suppose, would hurt the bottom line.
For children, the rise is even more startling—a thirty-five-fold increase in the same two decades. Mental illness is now the leading cause of disability in children, well ahead of physical disabilities like cerebral palsy or Down syndrome, for which the federal programs were created.[NY review of three books on the topic]
The real tragedy? Science works, and knows part of the answer here. And yet, will you listen to it, or not? The myth that the "Free Market" solves this type of issue is just that: human beings do not have universal information knowledge, nor do they always do "what is best for them", especially if they have a tantrum on their hands where sweet, sweet candy will shut it up. And especially if there's a nice collusion between <fast food industry> + <toy / entertainment industry> + <pharma industry>.
p.s. You'll never be able to 3D print bullets, some-one needs a basic education in chemistry. Printing a ceramic type Glock? Possible[ish]. Printing out chemical components and metals? Impossible, until nano-facturies become real, which is so far off it's not funny. You're stuck to plastic polymer devices for at least the next ten years.
"You can solve the world's problems in a garden" - geoff lawton
(no paternalism necessary)
I recognise him from other videos.
Smart guy, and thanks for the link, I'll be watching them all ~ but I feel he under-estimates the vastness of the industrialised farming industry, and indeed the massive refrigeration network that allows modern food deliveries to cities etc.
perhaps, though with some low-tech wizardry, you can dehydrate pretty much anything, so no refrigeration necessary. rehydrate when required. imagine something like this, but scaled up.
but yes, given current dietary preferences, the problem does seem rather vast, unless consumption habits are changed.
Heard a new one on NPR this morning - "assault weapons of mass destruction". I guess because their feeble minds were afffected by that phrase 20 years ago they figure it will work on the rest of us.
"...the experience of many other countries including Britain and Australia shows, criminals and those with violent intent will still be able to get guns (the only people who will be disarmed are the law-abiding majority)."
Herein lies the nub of this issue.
In Britain, the population were disarmed a long time ago and forced to become defenceless. Since then, the rise in gun use has been by criminals (who will always acquire guns) and of course in recent years, by agents of the state...law enforcement and other shadowy people who operate above the law.
The latter alone has led to growing numbers of unlawful killings of innocent people or gross misuse of guns by the armed police squads. It goes without saying that the police are never prosecuted for wrongly killing someone (eg: The wholly innocent Brazilian who had his head blown off on a tube train in London by an armed policeman, who was very clearly unfit to be in possession of a lethal weapon).
It should be obvious by now that when a state seeks to disarm its population, the prime driver is that they fear the population turning their guns onto them to end corruption and gross mismanagement of the nation's affairs.
Actually, only certain gun types were banned. Shotguns are still available fairly easily under a shotgun license, although pump/fed action models (over 3 shots without requiring manual reload, so you can have either a single barrel with 3 chambers, or 3 barrels with a single chamber each maximum under a shotgun license) require a firearms license. Note that both certificates only cost £50 each, with a criminal background check & interview with a local police firearms inspector. That's less than what you'll spend on ammunition. [source]
Tony Martin case.
As for criminals getting guns? I'm guessing everyone has forgotten who armed the IRA. Ahem. America.
Actually the USA did NOT arm the IRA. Noraid collected money but the guns came from Libya and were probably shipped via Belgium. Apart from a few Barretts what weapons did the IRA have that suggested they were new kit ? There is so much blowback from AK-47s that the US and UK distributed in Afghanistan and in Syria and so much flowing in from Eastern Europe and Soviet arms dumps that only noddies believe they are controlled. If you can sell heroin and crack cocaine you can get guns
Lybia was one source, as the wiki link I provided sets out in great detail; these were separate shipments, however.
Denying that weapons also came from America is bat-shit crazy historical revisionism:
By 1972, the IRA had large quantities of modern small arms, particularly Armalite rifles, manufactured and purchased in the United States. The AR-18 rifle in particular was found to be very well suited to the Provisionals' purposes as its small size and folding stock meant that it was easy to conceal. Moreover, it was capable of rapid fire and fired a high velocity round which provided great "stopping power".[8]
The IRA's main gun runner in the USA was George Harrison, an IRA veteran, resident in New York since 1938. Harrison bought guns for the IRA from a Corsican arms dealer named George de Meo, who had connections in organised crime. Joe Cahill acted as the contact between NORAID and Harrison. In 1971, the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) had already seized 700 modern weapons from the IRA, including 2 tonnes of high explosive and 157,000 rounds of ammunition, most of which were US made.[9]
Harrison spent an estimated US$1 million in the 1970s purchasing over 2,500 guns for the IRA.[10] According to Brendan Hughes, an IRA member who later became Officer Commanding of the IRA inside Long Kesh prison, the IRA smuggled small arms from America by sea on the Queen Elizabeth II from New York via Southampton,[8] through Irish members of her crew, until the network was cracked down on by the FBI in the 1980s.[11] These Queen Elizabeth II shipments included M16, CAR-15, AR-18 and AR-15 Armalite assault rifles, accompanied by Browning pistols and Smith & Wesson pistols and revolvers and were driven from Southampton to Belfast in small consignments
Sure, but getting a shotgun licence in the UK is not as easy as you allude. And a shotgun is not much use for personal defence. You mention several of the requirements but having a place to use it is another (eg you need to be a farmer, landowner, member of a sporting gun club or whatever). Most people don't meet these requirements. One or two therefore get a friendly politician to pull strings (Dunblane anyone? - but let's not go there).
But the reason most people would want a gun is to defend themselves against a nutter ..or.. coming to a town near you at some time, to collectively take on the criminals running government. This latter potential use is a principle driver for banning guns in the UK - IMHO. Same tactics are followed around the world. But as we see, gun use rarely goes away when guns are banned, only the categories of people using them changes.
A SF novel for you.
Ha-Ha. Thanks. A few novels have more than a passing resemblance to reality. I wonder if Adam Roberts simply wrapped up in a novel his own view of what's coming, to avoid being arrested for promoting terrorism. hhmmm.
Britain is a disintegrating state where the immigrant population tools up and the docile defeated English prepare to die quietly
I agree Britain is slowly disintegrating. This probably explains why the political elites are trying furiously to re-inflate the economic bubble. It's the only thing which might prevent mass demos on the streets as the real state of the mess they've created unfolds.
The other important point is one of 'timescale'. It's very easy to imagine things turning nasty quite quickly when things deteriorate. But looking back in history, events very often take much longer to come to a head...people have a lot of patience. It can take years.
The OWS movement gave the US citizens the opportunity go berserk if they so desired. But it appears relatively organized, calm and uneventful...with the exception of course of the police force's reaction to an assembly of the people.
I thought this guy, he easily could be, one of those nut jobs from OWS recruited by the left to give them the crisis they need to disarm the people They pumped em up with 'big pharma' drugs, ave him a gun and told him it was for the 'good' of the plant if he would do it.
Christ when will you get it that OWS was just an arm of the left in this country. May have been grass roots the first week it existed...
You need to change your meds, they arent working anymore.
Ban State Schooling .... like that bitch school bus driver who wouldn't drive her kids off the railroad tracks .... because she was afraid to encroach on a red light .... the train took out the back of the bus with kids .... the bus driver .... although shaken up .... survived .... later she was hidden .... and the MSM .... had no curiosity in the matter ! She's probably on full disability for PTSD .... and doesn't have to work anymore .... she could clean bathrooms .... dear tax payer !
What made Adam Lanza tick .... tock,tick,tock,tick,tock .... boom ! What makes us entrust our kids to socialist bureaucrats .... we are the crazy ones .... would you trust your dog to a "government kennel" ? The Monedas Doctrine: Separation of School and State !
You post some nutty stuff, but the shooter appears to have been HOME SCHOOLEd by HIS MoMMey dearest , the stacker and packer who the kid BLew away before he took his "schoolin" to the maX, you useless turd nutjob.
Thanks, Mr. Anecdote ! This guy was damaged goods .... state schooling might have agreed with him .... he wouldn't have felt so alone and different hanging around with socialist trash purveyors !
Here's a collection of Harvard studies that go into great detail about gun control: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-de...
Result: less guns = less gun crime...no matter how you twist it.
Germans have auto-cide. Answer abolish cars. Kitchen knives should be blunt. Scissors should have rounded edges. Pens should not have nibs or tips. Tasers should be set at 12 Volts. Harvard does so many studies - if I cross their palms with silver they will prove anything I want. Since handgun ownership is prohibited in mA there must be a really safe part of town in Roxbury.......http://www.massgunlawreform.com/evidence.html......................http:...
In Israel .... the teachers are armed .... in North Korea gun control doesn't stop the government from murdering it's own people and neighbors ! The 2nd amendment is not about home defense .... the right of American's to have a rifle in the house was never an issue .... it's about the people retaining sufficient power to keep government in check .... it's not about gun sport nor hunting, either .... those were givens .... where are the well regulated civilian militias that were promised .... that would be civilian militias with serious fire power .... any restriction on assault style weapons is unthinkable without allowing serious private militias .... well regulated of course .... that's what the 2nd amendment was all about .... they want to disarm the public and not deliver on the well regulated private militias !
Stop being so naive...
If you think your gun will keep you safe should the government ever decide to go up against its own people, you are dellusional!! For crying out loud, you can't be that naive.
It might have been that way 200+ years ago, but nowadays you'd look like a clown standing there with your gun. In the age of drones and massive bombs you'd look silly inded.
Stop trying to live according to specific laws that only made sense 200+ years ago, join the rest of us in modern times.
Fact is: Less guns = less gun crime
Based on what "facts"? I think you're another bullshit artist.
You know, the facts that "TeeVee' tells him....like Obama is a swell guy, George Bush is a loveable mug, Dick Morris knows what he's talking about, Bernanke, Diamond, Corzine, Geithner, Holder, Immelt aren't criminals, they're great people to look up to, Warren Buffett is our most prescient sage a true oracle, sticking a cigar in a woman's holiest of whollies and spluging on her dress isn't sex.
Fact is: Less guns = less gun crime
and no solutions to the underlying problems
The job is more difficult because we were not given the private militias .... with state of the art firepower .... but not impossible .... the greater the fire power retained by the public .... the lesser the need to have a revolt .... government would never have grown into the malignant monster we have today ! My naivete disppeared in 1971 when I started hoarding .... your naivete seems alive .... and not so well !
We can't even control Afghanistan. Americans have more than 300 million weapons. Suffice it to say that our government would think twice.....for now at least.
We probably would never have had 911 nor Afghanistan .... if we had serious well armed private militias .... keeping a sobering vigilance over our socialist clown representatives .... we'd be a more formidable country .... a republic with teeth !
You keep saying things are facts when they are nothing of the sort. You have no idea what you're talking about, just an emotion and a desire to somehow be "right." That's really what makes people like you so repugnant. You don't want a debate, you want an emotional, heinous event to serve as a soapbox so you can spew whatever you like without any concern for the truth.
You don't even see that our military is having trouble subduing dirt farming, cave-dwelling men from the 8th century with small arms and improvised explosive devices, yet to hear you tell it that same military would have no trouble subduing a country of 300 million people, with at least that number of firearms, and with over 1 trillion rounds of ammunition in private hands. The "facts" are right in front of you yet you ignore them to further your personal agenda.
If you want my guns, come get them. But first you should make sure your life insurance is paid up and you kiss your family goodbye because you will not be coming home.
One rocket grenade and you're dead. Mr. infallible.
perhaps mandatory(not freedom as you MAY understand (hahahah) it) has as much to do with the israeli solution as the guns.
In one post you rant against the school system and now you want to arm the slobs that run it!
Like before, useless nutjob.
A collection of Harvard studies? A collection of biased bullshit from an Ivy League brainwashing institution.
Those are facts...just becaue you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're wrong. But please, tell me, how exactly are those stats wrong?
Kinda hilarious how you call them biased...yet you can't provide a single thing to debunk their facts. Join the rest of us in reality and stop ignoring facts!
Look at the authors of said "studies" and "journals":
Matthew Miller (born 1962) is an American journalist, and senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a monthly columnist for Fortune, regular contributor to The New York Times Magazine and The Atlantic Monthly.
David Hemenway is Professor of Health Policy at the Harvard School of Public Health. He has a B.A. (1966) and Ph.D.(1974) from Harvard University in economics.
Deborah Azrael, Ph.D., received her doctorate in health policy with a concentration in statistics and evaluative sciences. Harvard Injury Control Research Center
Look like an objective group of researchers to you? They're either Harvard hacks or leftist agitprop experts. Did you read any of these journals Mr. Troll? Please show us some stats if you please.
Looks like people who know what they're talking about...compared to NRA sponsored sock puppets.
Read the bios of the people you listed, they know about statistics.
Show me their statistical analysis, troll. You didn't read the articles did you? As Chump ponted out below, another Harvard study which looks like an actual peer reviewed document says the opposite. And how do you know they're any good at all with statistics? They could be complete idiots like you. And it's bad form on ZH to vote your own comments up. We can check that you know.
Quit while you're ahead dumbass.
Here's another Harvard study:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronlin...
Read more at: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=214983
So what you're saying is basically:
"Criminals will always find ways to be violent...so why should we care about making it harder for them by banning guns?"
That's a highly biased and illogical approach to the issue...
Actually, what I'm saying is that banning guns leads to even more violence, and the study I linked to backs up my assertion. Did you read it? Did you notice that violent crime rates in America dropped during a time of increasing gun ownership? Did you notice that violent crime rates increased in the UK during the same time authorities there were outright banning private ownership of certain kinds of firearms and confiscating them?
The only takeaway I can get from your arguments here is that you'd prefer to be stabbed or strangled to death than killed with a firearm. That's fine and all, but it's hardly a FACT worth hanging your hat on.
Don't waste your time trying to teach this pig to sing. You cited a study that blew this jerk out of the water and still he persists in a race to the bottom.
Agreed. It just disgusts me when people like this crawl out of the woodwork to dance on the graves of murder victims, in this case before they're even buried. Reality be damned, they have an agenda to pursue.
I threw up when that piece of shit in the white house got on TV sunday night and interrupted my Survivor so that he could use this crisis to immediately, one the first fucking things out of his piece of shit mouth, was using executive order to ban or restrict ownership. It's funny how when a guy like this says 'we have to move beyond politics...'' whichc means this is going to be a full on political stunt.
Yeah, you're right. Harvard isn't a political institution of any kind? They're not vying for the precious 'free' money from the govenrment by continually creating studies that meet the needs ot the political class that matriculated from behind their walls.
Read any of Lott's bokks on gun control.
Harvard?
That was a joke, right?
I never liked "Harvard Beets" .... but as an child inmate in a government gulag grade school .... seems like they served them once a week .... diced harvard beets in thick, sweet crimson sauce .... yuck !
I remember that crap. I never actually ate any of them though.
School lunch was 25 cents (silver) .... and I was a hungry kid who wasn't breast fed near enough .... so I gobbled them up .... but I didn't like them .... and I'm still somewhat deprived in "breast in my face time" .... but I'm still in the game !
Harvard beets is like creamed corn .... it's made from cannery floor sweepings after they canned the slice beets and whole kernel corn !
Harvard has given us the likes of George W Bush, Obama and Bernanke. Fuck harvard.
Putting 500 kids in a gun free, killing zone .... and the principal was armed with a ruler .... not even a Walmart greeter at the door ? The government herds so many kids together to achieve "economy of scale" ? Hahahahahahaha ! They herd them to make less work for the lazy socialist bureaucrats .... the government is incapable of mimicking private industry economy of scale .... they are in never never la la land .... fire 'em all and start from scratch .... no more government gulag schools !
arm the kids!
at least someone will be shooting.
Many of the guns are in the hands of people not much more advanced than 2nd grader, it's amazing more of these don't happen, can only think most are too drugged or lazy to act out their stupid.
Greens in Germany trying to ban Germans owning any guns. This is clear proof that the US Second Amendment is essential to preserve liberty. So far the USA has avoided living under dictatorship unlike Germany so the fear of a Standing Army being used to repress the Citizen is a valid one as most European states have used the Army to suppress the public and most European states have experienced military rule. With professional armies the situation is even more dangerous and the use of Drones proposed in UK, Germany for police use is clear that militarisation of policing is continuing as local control gets eroded for the ruling elite. It is a sad state when only criminals hold guns and the police state is happy to let them to keep the law-abiding in order. I start to warm to.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX6kVRsdXW4...........and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2S3SraFmI0 ..................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9rmHPmnnKw
Ah, this old chestnut.
Germany came under a dictatorship using Democratic methods:
The 1932 German presidential elections were held on 13 March (first round) and 10 April (second round run-off).[1] They were the second and final direct elections to the office of President of the Reich (Reichspräsident), Germany's head of state under the Weimar Republic. The incumbent President, Paul von Hindenburg, first elected in 1925, was re-elected to a second seven-year term of office. His major opponent in the election was Adolf Hitler of the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP).
Under the Weimar system, the presidency was a powerful office and, following his re-election, Hindenburg played an important role in the coming to power of the Nazis, reluctantly appointing Hitler as Chancellor of Germany in January 1933.
Hitler obtained 36.8% of the popular vote, which is more than some current politicians: note that the turnout was 82.9%, somewhat larger than the current turnout of every single Western Democratic Nation. [source].
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Did you have to look that up ? poor boy. You should know more history than potted versions like that. Walther Ulbricht established a German dictatorship WITHOUT elections. The simple fact is that within ONE generation Germany had TWO dictatorships on German soil and had to be liberated. It does not suggest the Greens are anything other than true descendants of the NSDAP as indeed they are....but when a Turk as Leader of the Green Faction proposes disarming Germans you really have to wonder.............
No, I provided you with simple-to-find data, as you seem to need it. Claiming that Walther Ulbricht set up a German dictatorship in EAST FUCKING GERMANY is somewhat ignoring the CCCP's influence, methinks.
Voting in East Germany was relatively simple. To vote yes, a voter simply took the ballot paper, which contained only one name—that of the approved candidate—and dropped it into the voting box. A voter could vote against the candidate by crossing out his or her name, but had to do so in a separate voting booth without any secrecy. The consequences for such an act of defiance were severe—loss of one's job or expulsion from school, and close surveillance by the Stasi.
You know, that famous wall and all. Cold War. Might have read about it somewhere.
Hardly. It was a breach of The Four Power Agreement and maybe Patton had been right but of course Washington was riddled with Soviet agents anyway. The Wall was build in 1961 when Kennedy chickened out and Khrushchev knew from their meeting in Geneva in 1956 that Kennedy was weak. The WAll breached the Four Power Agreement on Berlin and wasa new Berlin Blockade but Kennedy was weak where Truman was strong
Your claim that he wasn't voted in was total nonsense; voting was kept as a tokenism towards "Democratic Socialism", even if (as I provided) there was only ever one candidate.
Ulbricht is famous for saying: "Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten!".
Fearful of the possible consequences of this continued outflow of refugees, and aware of the dangers an East German collapse would present to the Soviet Union’s Communist satellite empire, Ulbricht pressured Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev in early 1961 to stop the outflow and resolve the status of Berlin.[12] During this time, the refugees’ mood was rarely expressed in words, though East German laborer Kurt Wismach did so effectively by shouting for free elections during one of Ulbricht’s speeches.[13] When Khrushchev approved the building of a wall as a means to resolve this situation, Ulbricht threw himself into the project with abandon. Delegating different tasks in the process while maintaining overall supervision and careful control of the project, Ulbricht managed to keep secret the purchase of vast amounts of building materials, including barbed wire, concrete pillars, timber, and mesh wire.[14] On 13 August 1961, work began on what was to become the Berlin Wall, only two months after Ulbricht had emphatically denied that there were such plans ("Nobody has the intention of building a wall").[15] Ulbricht had sent out GDR soldiers and police to seal the border with West Berlin overnight. The mobilization included 8,200 members of the People’s Police, 3,700 members of the mobile police, 12,000 factory militia members, and 4,500 State Security officers. Ulbricht also dispersed 40,000 East German soldiers across the country to suppress any potential protests.[16]
To claim, as you did, that Ulbricht was some kind of Totalitarian leader, in the model of Hitler, not a puppet of Moscow, is total bollocks. Instead of admitting it, you're spewing out historically irrelevent factoids.
Sorry to upset your Ossi sensitivities but Ulbricht was a DICTATOR. There is no evidence Stalin wanted a puppet regime in East Berlin rather than a United Neutral Germany as with Austria. Ulbricht was a dimwit who simply pursued his own deluded beliefs in Socialism and a Dictatorship using former Nazis to build a state that drained the USSR of real money for decades delivering little in return
Ye Gods, talk about tilting at windmills - you've managed to not read what I've said to the degree that that strawman in your head is convinced I'm some kind of ex-East German apologist, which is comedy gold.
In fact, I'm more critical of the Soviet apparatus than you are.
Re-read what I wrote: "Ulbricht was some kind of Totalitarian leader, in the model of Hitler, not a puppet of Moscow, is total bollocks".
Ulbricht was obviously an evil Statist thug, and a devoted Stalinist (in fact, when Stalin died, he actually feared that he'd be purged due to his unwaivering loyalty to Stalin). However, claiming that his government could have, or would have, survived without the protection, aid and political alliance with the CCCP is a total fantasy. East Germany was a totalitarian state because it was a Soviet satellite country, not the twisted reversed logic you're attempting to shoe horn in.
If it wasn't Ulbricht, it would have been another puppet to enforce Soviet doctrine.
"No evidence Stalin wanted a puppet regime"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA. Tell that to the Czechoslovakians and Polish, you muppet. Never heard of the Velvet revolutions, amongst others? Workers revolt in Hungaria, 1956? Guess not.
At the end of World War II, most eastern and central European countries were occupied by the Soviet Union,[3] and along with the USSR made up what is sometimes called the Soviet Empire. The Soviets remained in these countries after the war's end.[4] Through a series of coalition governments including Communist parties, and then a forced liquidation of coalition members unliked by the Soviets, Stalinist systems were established in each country.[4] Stalinists gained control of existing governments, police, press and radio outlets in these countries.[4] Soviet satellite states in Europe included:[4][5][6][7]
The Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia is sometimes referred to as a Soviet satellite,[4][5] though it broke from the Soviet Union in the 1948 Tito-Stalin split, with the Cominform offices being moved from Belgrade to Bucharest, and subsequently initiated formation of the Non-Aligned Movement. The People's Republic of Albania, under the leadership of Stalinist Enver Hoxha, broke ties with the Soviet Union in 1960 following the Soviet de-stalinization process.[8] These countries were, at least between 1945 and 1948, all members of the Eastern Bloc.
The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan can also be considered a Soviet satellite; from 1978 until 1992 the central government in Kabul was aligned with the Communist bloc, and was directly supported by Soviet military power between 1979 and 1989.
Now, with Yugoslavia, and Tito, you've almost a case that this is an independent Dictatorship: but I doubt you're smart enough for this.
East Germany is labelled a separate Dictatorship by precisely zero historians; largely because it wasn't, and only existed due to the CCCP.
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Actually, after reading what you've written, I doubt you're even aware of the time Ulbricht spent in Moscow during the war years.
Following the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, Ulbricht was active in a group of German communists under NKVD supervision (a group including, among others, the poet Erich Weinert and the writer Willi Bredel) which, among other things, translated propaganda material into German, prepared broadcasts directed at the invaders, and interrogated captured German officers. In February 1943, following the surrender of the German Sixth Army at the close of the Battle of Stalingrad, Ulbricht, Weinert and Wilhelm Pieck conducted a Communist political rally in the center of Stalingrad which many German prisoners were forced to attend. The NKVD head Lavrenty Beria described Ulbricht as "the greatest idiot that he had ever seen".
Ulbricht was a person for whom the term "useful idiot" was created for, you muppet. Independent? Not under Soviet control? Not forming a puppet state?
HAAHAHAHHAAAA. Oh, that's a good one. Please, tell me more about your grasp on history, it's going to be a riot of laughter. Or, we suppose, your mind will twist all of this into some kind of strawman defense of Ulbricht and the Soviets, and I'm actually a "Socialist"
Laventri Beria - you quote Wikipedia without reference......still Beria was probably raping schoolgirls when he wrote that........keep going.....maybe you will quote Voroshilov next or bring up some reference to Scghleicher or Roehm. It is all fun...keep going...but do credit references or your plagiarism will show you to be another German Politician with a PhD
Again, I've explained why I'm using wiki; it's an insult.
It works because it's a step upwards from your sources; so far you've managed to claim that Stalin didn't install puppet regimes with an iron fist, that it was gun control and standing armies that caused the rise of Hitler and the East German Republic, and that, as a German national, you are familiar with The Second Amendment, and how important guns are to keep away tyranny.
Given that the last time Americans faced hostiles on their own soil was a civil war, that's probably something you'd want to keep your nose out of.
You're doing pretty well, four-for-four, meine freunde.
But here's a tip: Don't. Vote. For. Them.
http://www.newworker.org/peet_john/chapter17.html
http://www.ventunesimosecolo.org/node/514
Historians, however, disagree about whether East Germany was totalitarian. Since 1989, there has been a renaissance of totalitarianism theory. The GDR shared the features that Carl J. Friedrich and Zbigniew Brzezinski included in their famous model of totalitarian states: a one-party state that relied on an all-encompassing ideology to mobilize its population, a terroristic secret police, a monopoly on information and weapons, and a centrally planned economy. In particular, post-1989 revelations concerning the extraordinary surveillance activities of the Stasi have lent credence to the notion that East Germany was totalitarian.
Although Anglo-American historians generally shy away from the term “totalitarian,” German scholars have staked out various positions on this matter. Some have argued that totalitarianism captures the essence of the SED regime. The political scientist Klaus Schroeder, for example, is one of the strongest advocates of labeling East Germany totalitarian
You missed what I was saying, probably deliberately. You might notice I happily quoted the entire "vote for one party rule or face the Stasi" thing?
Or, are you merely not reading what I write, and desperately attempting to direct your own narrative play?
Of course East Germany was totalitarian: but this was due to Stalin, not Ulbricht.
As I've already said.
Morsi was elected .... and he's going Muslim dictator as fast as he can get away with it !
BTW Hindenburg wanted rid of General Schleicher who threatened to expose the loans his son Oskar had from DANAT Bank for the family estate and which he could not repay. In short Hindenburg was blackmailed by Schleicher and Von Papen offered to cover it up and proposed Hitler as his deputy. Hitler was not elected Chancellor and did not have the majority plus which his party never gained a majority in Berlin..............but do try this from Wikipedia....
In 1919 and 1920, to stabilize the country and in part to comply with the Treaty of Versailles, the German Weimar government passed very strict gun ownership restrictions. Article 169 of the Treaty of Versailles stated, "Within two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or rendered useless."[1]
In 1919, the German government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which declared that "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately."[2] Under the regulations, anyone found in possession of a firearm or ammunition was subject to five years' imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks.
On August 7, 1920, the German government enacted a second gun-regulation law called the Law on the Disarmament of the People. It put into effect the provisions of the Versailles Treaty in regard to the limit on military-type weapons.
Yes, we can all read. This doesn't contradict the point that Hitler recieved 36.8% of the popular, free, and democratic vote for the position (the Communists got 10.2%). He was given the position of Chancellor because Papen & co mis-read the situation, and assumed they could maintain control over him (and his party) by similar methods, because he was a significant power-player even in 1932, and provided them with a force to counter the Communists (who, as we all know, were to be largely eradicated by force in the next few years - see violence in Berlin during June 1932, where 82 people died in over 400 street battles between the SA and Communist groups). They also couldn't comprehend the nature of Hitler, in terms of the extremes he was driven towards; they assumed he'd play power-politics like they did.
Somehow you've conflated Gun legislation imposed on Germany by the Versaille treaty with Hitler becoming the Dictator of Germany. As a matter of fact, Hitler ran on a strong ticket of re-militarising Germany to gain popular support (specifically, the "Freiheitsgesetzib", repealing Versailles and re-instating the standing army, which was disbanded) which contravenes your point.
You can't have it both ways: Either making Guns illegal leads to tyranny Or large standing armies are responsible for tyranny. The two are not linked in the simplistic ideological framework you've provided, and indeed Germany did not have a large standing army at the time of Hitler's rise to power; this came later. Specifically, in 1935, when Hitler re-introduced conscription, past the point where he'd become a Dictator (Hindenburg died in 1934, Hitler took his position then disbanded it, replacing it with Führer und Reichskanzler). To claim that Hitler's rise could have been stopped if every German was armed flies totally against what actually happened, specifically in regards to SA - Communist violence and the distaste the middle and upper classes had for the SA, violence in general and so forth. Hitler knew this, and the purging of the SA was a method of cementing his mainstream appeal (to some degree - there were, of course, other reasons) and drew large amounts of popular support from these groups.
Even if Germany had a similar gun-ownership pattern to the USA, Hitler would still have come to power.
Junk away, but your simplistic reading isn't fooling everyone; oh, and if you missed the irony: Freiheitsgesetzib translates as "Liberty Laws". You know, much like "The Patriot Act" and the tea-party's cries for "Liberty".
To show further just how much shit you're peddling, you forgot to mention the German Federal Elections of 1932, where Hitler's party got 37.27% of the vote, the largest Democratically voted for party. "The elections resulted in great gains by the Nazi party, who with 230 seats for the first time became the largest party in parliament". So, riiiight, Democracy had nothing to do with this, and it was all due to the cabal black-mailing Hindenburg? Hitler "did not have the majority plus which his party never gained a majority in Berlin"? Note: this is directly tied into Papen lifting the ban on the SA, which lead to mass-violence with the Communists, as I've already mentioned.
All of which guns would have merely made worse, with more mayhem, not solved.
So:
1) Gun legislation had no effect on the rise of Hitler
2) A large standing army had no effect on the rise of Hitler, barring its abscence.
Thus, your entire thesis is absolute nonsense, historically inaccurate and wrong.
Go back to school already.
/fail.
p.s. Junking this post shows what a closed-minded child you are. When proven wrong, learn, don't throw a tantrum and put your fingers in your ears chanting "LALALALALA can't hear you".
After 1945, the Allied Forces commanded the complete disarming of Germany. Even German police officers were initially not allowed to carry firearms. Private ownership of firearms was not allowed until after 1956. The legal status returned essentially to that of the Law on Firearms and Ammunition of 1928.
Funnily enough Hitler LIBERALISED gun laws in 1938. What you FAIL to see is that
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article112067402/Gruene-wollen-De...
Cem Özdemir wants to ban ALL guns in Germany. This has ZERO to do with Hitler so stop being obsessed with him. It has to do with the DENIAL OF FREEDOM by THE GREENS in Germany because of something happening in the USA. It is strange that a German Politician of Turkish Extraction wants to remove the already restricted rights of Germans to have weapons to a complete disarmament of German citizens.
Aurora Ex Machina might not care but it is ABSURD when the British Olympic Team had to train for handgun sport ABROAD and Special Laws had to be passed to permitHandgun Shooting at the Olympics in London. It is fatuous that it is next to impossible to join rifle clubs or a handgun range but kids can run around British cities brandishing handguns to steal mobile phones or access Uzis and Mac-10 to go on feuds
Actually, I was merely correcting your poor rhetoric. Which you've now shown to be 100% rhetoric by switching away, attempting the "stop being obsessed with him".
I'll remind the gallery:
"This is clear proof that the US Second Amendment is essential to preserve liberty [i.e. "The right to bear arms"]. So far the USA has avoided living under dictatorship unlike Germany so the fear of a Standing Army being used to repress the Citizen is a valid one as most European states have used the Army to suppress the public and most European states have experienced military rule.
The simple fact is that within ONE generation Germany had TWO dictatorships on German soil and had to be liberated."
You attempted to link the current anti-Guns legislation with German history - specifically Hitler, and the East German Soviet satellite government.
I then showed that both had nothing to do with either the Second Amendment, nor were either to do with either gun legislature or large standing armies (of their own: Ulbricht certainly relied on Moscow's large standing army, and military aid, but the pretense that East Germany could have been a Dictatorship on its own is a total fallacy, especially given the Allied presence in Berlin and West Germany).
You've now switched TO ALL CAPS ATTACKS ON THE DREADED HIPPY GREENS!1!1!!!
I've merely pointed out that your attempts to use history for your ideological position are demonstrably bollocks. That's it. I've not even moved into your current reading of European politics, which I think we can all assume will be just as accurate and insightful.