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Guest Post: How To Spot A Hypocrite In The Gun Debate And Other Reflections On Newtown

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Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.

- Justice Louis D. Brandeis

For those of you that follow me on twitter, some of the statements and themes you will read in this article will sound familiar.  What happened on December 14, 2012 was obviously a horrific tragedy that my simple mind can’t possibly wrap itself around, but what I can do is send my deepest thoughts, prayers and sympathies to all of those affected.  I can’t imagine the level of pain and suffering you are all experiencing.  This article; however, isn’t directed at you.  There is nothing I can do to ease your pain.  This article is for the rest of us who weren’t directly affected by the incident, but may be indirectly affected by certain parties’ emotional response to it and by those that will exploit it to justify agendas.

One of the key lessons from all of human history is that the easy way to deal with any tragedy is to scapegoat.  In some cases, like in Nazi Germany, the scapegoat proved to be unpopular minorities, especially Jews.  These days, many Americans have fallen into the trap of scapegoasting Muslims and the Islamic religion for all the bad things that happen on the planet.  The key similarity I see in these sorts of situations is that the population affected by some trauma (hyperinflation and economic collapse in Germany and 9/11 in the United States) tends to resort to the knee-jerk reaction of scapegoating an easy target rather than diving into the complexities of the issue and engaging in societal self-reflection.  This is extraordinarily dangerous.

From what I can tell, some of the most ridiculous policies are the direct result of a trauma, people getting emotional, and then begging for a response.    In my own lifetime, 9/11 is the perfect example.  Our national response to a gruesome attack that killed thousands of innocent civilians was to tear up the Constitution, specifically the cherished Bill of Rights, with insane Big Brother type legislation like the “Patriot” Act.  We basically launched the war on terror by waving a white flag.  Truly defeating terrorists wouldn’t have consisted of running to the mall and shopping, as George W. Bush insisted, or giving up the freedoms that made America the most attractive country to move to for the last two hundred years.  The way to judge victory or defeat in the ”war on terror” eleven years later is not to check the statistics on terrorist attacks.  The way to judge victory or defeat is to look at the nation economically, socially and politically and ask yourself are we better off or worse off?  I think the verdict is clear on that front, and I do in large part blame our childish and emotionally reaction to the national tragedy of 9/11.

Well here we stand in mid-December 2012, just days from the Mayan end of the world and another national tragedy has been unleashed on the land.  Most of the victims were innocent, helpless six and seven year old children that never even had the chance to fulfill their potential on this planet.  Unfortunately, just as Ron Paul told us, key parts of the Patriot Act were written and desired by certain factions well before 9/11, there is a powerful faction in the highest echelons of the elite that have wanted and continue to want to remove guns from the hands of innocent American citizens.  These people are not interested in easing violence; these folks want to disarm the public before the mathematically inevitable economic collapse occurs (see my article “Slaves are Always Disarmed”).  While many of these folks claims publicly that there is an “economic recovery” and happy days are just over the horizon, they know better and privately want to get all their ducks in a row before the final and horrific collapse occurs.  This is why the surveillance state is making such aggressive strides at the moment.  It is also why there is a panic to remove firearms from the public.

The person who bothers me the most on this entire topic is Mayor Michael Bloomberg, of my hometown NYC.  You can tell when someone is disingenuous if they freak out over gun violence like it is the biggest issue in America today and at the same time protect the banksters and their “too big to fail” culture, which has and continues to systemically steal trillions of dollars from the poor.  This is Michael Bloomberg to a tee, so this man should have no credibility on any moral subject when he protects and coddles the most dangerous criminal organizations on this planet.  I guess there is something “liberal” about white collar crime.


The other way to spot a hypocrite is to see whether they ever speak out about other acts of violence, or if they only open their mouths when it comes to gun incidents.  I see this attitude all over the “fake left” landscape. If someone you know, or someone in the media never decries American drones strikes that kill children regularly in the forgotten parts of the globe, yet jumps at every gun incident like it is the end of the world, that person has an agenda. That person hates guns, not necessarily violence.  They do not have a clear head in this argument.

Zerohedge put together an excellent article yesterday called Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome, And Some US Gun Facts, which I suggest everyone read.  They go into the fact that mental illness seems to be the determining factor in most of these shooting incidents and also points out that the deadliest school massacre in U.S. history was The Bath School Disaster, which was carried out with dynamite, not firearms.  Care of we learn that:

In 2007, there were 613 fatal firearm accidents in the United States, constituting 0.5% of 123,706 fatal accidents that year.


These emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents resulted in 5,045 hospitalizations, constituting 0.4% of 1.4 million non-fatal accident hospitalizations that year.


During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower.


The homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban.


Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.


Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.

The interesting thing about all of this is because of differentiated gun laws in these United States we can see how effective gun bans really are in the places where they are in effect.  The answer seems to be not very effective.  This shouldn’t come as much of a surprise, as what ends up happening with gun bans is that only criminals end up with guns.  A criminal will not obey the law, and even in the Newtown shooting case, these weren’t Adam Lanza’s guns.  He stole them from his own mother.

For the record, I’d love a world without guns, but as long as criminal governments have them and start wars, the people have the right as well.  The actions of one or several mentally ill people should not lead to the restriction of a Constitutionally enshrined right for the hundreds of millions of law abiding, honest citizens that use firearms responsibly.  In fact, with an estimated 300 million firearms within these United States, I’d say it’s somewhat impressive how little gun violence there is.

Unfortunately, going forward, I expect gun violence to escalate.  I don’t think this is a result of the number of guns as much the result of increased poverty and societal marginalization as a result of the economic catastrophe we are witnessing.  A direct result of criminal theft by the TBTF financial institutions that gun haters like Michael Bloomberg protect and serve.  It is also the result of the increasingly sick culture that has developed in America.   One that is in many ways a reflection of the sickness and depravity at the very top of U.S. society emanating from the political and economic oligarchs.  It reminds me of the anti-drug commercial from the 1980?s where the son says to the father “from you dad, I learned it by watching you.”  It’s the same with violence in America. Our own government leads by example.

Recall the words of Justice Brandeis before jumping to emotional conclusions on the gun debate.  We already made that tragic mistake once this millennium.

Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.

Peace and wisdom,


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Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:10 | 3069894 viahj
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you and I know the cost of confiscation, liberty.



Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:18 | 3069905 Michaelwiseguy
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The mainstream media reporter NWO enemies of the people are on a gun grabbing rampage and they are not addressing the real causes for the culture of violence, for their own agenda. Here's how we stop them.

The common thread in all the recent mass shootings is, men in their early 20's were brought up 24/7/365 for a decade or more on violent 1st person shooter training video games, and violent movies.

Gun Owners must demand a ban on video games like Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, and all other 1st person shooter video games.

Gun Owners must demand an end to Violent Movies like Bat Man, Zombieland, and all other mass murder movies.

Demand the Psychiatric Drug industry take their share of the blame.

Make these demands 1st before a single new gun ban is put in place.

Mothers Against Gun Violence in Entertainment (MAGVE) groups should speak out against Hollywood, TV, and other entertainment gun violence genres.

There is no expectation of a ban on suggested items, but to raise awareness of the actual problem and encourage voluntary compliance. I know this goes against The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, but we can use this episode to squash their program.

Coupled with the heavy use of Psychiatric Drugs and enhanced with first person shooter video games, we have a recipe for manufactured disaster.


The Entertainment and Pharmaceutical industries must be included with punishment, for their role in increased gun violence.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:18 | 3069924 viahj
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the removal of personal responsibility was the first crack in the dam. 

Moral Hazard, Bitchez!

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:59 | 3070002 Michaelwiseguy
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Gun violence training video games, psychotropic drugs, and real guns don't mix.

The alleged Afghan massacre shooter Sgt. Robert Bales, who was charged with 17 counts of murder and six counts of attempted murder, may have been under the influence of a drug which is known to cause severe psychiatric side effects.

An American soldier opened fire on villagers near his base in southern Afghanistan Sunday and killed 16 civilians, according to President Hamid Karzai who called it an "assassination" and furiously demanded an explanation from Washington. Nine children and three women were among the dead.

'Death to America!' Afghan protesters burn Obama effigies as anger over U.S. soldier who killed 16 civilians rises

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:04 | 3070045 viahj
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i'm with you about psychotropic drugs and our societal need to be numb to the realities of life [and death].  tools and entertainment don't enter into my calculation for a resolution.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:36 | 3070092 Michaelwiseguy
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I just turned on the Alex Jone Show tonight and he's saying basically the same thing I wrote.

I use the harsh "Ban" word for violence in entertainment knowing full well that won't happen, but if the issue is raised by gun groups, the culture of violence will finally be addressed in the mainstream.

Knowing full well we don't really want video games banned due to 1st amendment, but raising the suggestion will make people mad enough that the causes of violence will be discussed in the MSM and divert attention from banning guns.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:40 | 3070111 boogerbently
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We'll know the whiny Hollywood liberals are serious when they do something about the violence in film.

Until then, just remember, the FIRST thing desperate people caught in those desperate situations do is CALL SOMEONE WITH GUNS.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:46 | 3070259 SheepHerder
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The easiest way to quickly end a gun debate with someone who's for gun control is give them the following scenario:  

You are sitting at your kitchen table having dinner with your family/closest friends and an armed group of thugs comes barging into your home and shouts they are going to kill everyone. They state they will kill each person one by one, leaving each person to watch the people prior to them beg for their life before being shot.  They choose you to be last to die, which means you will watch everyone beg for their life before they are eventually killed. Now this is a magical situation because at that moment we pause stop time.  Everyone is frozen in time except you.  I walk into this sitatuon and in my hand is a fully loaded assault rifle.  I offer you the rifle and tell you that you now have the opportunity to defend not only yourself but also possibly save the lives of your family/friends.  So my question to you, is do you take me up on my offer and take the rifle? 

If the person says no, they're a sick or a liar at which point they're called such.  If they say yes, well then they've just proved why gun ownership is so important.  What usually happens is they try to dodge the question all together, at which point say something like, "By choosing not to answer my question, you and I both know that in your deepest hearts of hearts, you'd take the gun if offered to you in the scenario.  And by choosing to do so, you and I also both know you see why gun ownership is so important."  From there no matter what they say keep saying said sentence over and over again.  Even if they don't concede on the spot, they'll leave the conversation trying to figure out how to logically solve the internal cognitive dissonance, because internally they know they'd take the gun in the scenario you described.  In the end it will either dramatically soften their stance on gun control or they'll have to accept that they are holding a position they don't 100% believe in.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:51 | 3070267 trav777
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that you think this logical fallacy is somehow persuasive means you are just dumb.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:15 | 3070316 SheepHerder
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Because ad hominem attacks are so intelligent right?  But please amuse me by telling me about the experiences where you've used it and it failed.  After that I'll tell you about the three conversations I've had since Friday where it's worked twice and the other time the person started backpedalling.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 05:39 | 3070550 Muppet of the U...
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buy guns practice safe use and storage.  simple, simple, simple.

Why?  B/c you should never come unprepared.

How do you say... if you want peace, prepare for war.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 09:10 | 3070803 Harlequin001
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I've got another one you might like to try. it goes

'cos we're sick and tired of our children getting shot by wankers with guns.'

Wankers shouldn't have guns. So America should ban them, and do itself a favour...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:03 | 3071033 Cypher_73
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If they did that nbody in America would have a gun. Can't have that now. I find it all rather Darwinian myself... watching the herd thin itself out and all that.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:30 | 3070353 kwality
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So because some theoretical armed thugs have guns, I need to get a gun.  According to you, the solution is more guns (or the same amount of guns, but in non-thug hands, good luck determining who arent the thugs).

There's too much crazy on the internet tonight.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 02:00 | 3070404 ejmoosa
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If you cannot determine if you are a good guy or a thug, then I suggest you stay away from any weapons.

The good guys know why they have them and understand what it means to have the responsibility to carry them.

We do not need a committee or approval for us to know if we are good guys either.  That's a government action because THEY cannot tell the good guys from the thugs.  Because in their eyes, we are all threats.



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 06:39 | 3070591's picture



So because some theoretical armed thugs have guns, I need to get a gun.


Oh, so this spate of shootings is merely hypothetical. Thank goodness!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:36 | 3070733 StychoKiller
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I can safely state that I'm not a thug(ee)!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:08 | 3071043 Cypher_73
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The nuts are definitely out in full force...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 06:27 | 3070579 myptofvu
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You could do this much easier by just asking them if they would post a "This is a gun free house" yard sign on their front lawn.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:37 | 3070738 StychoKiller
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Along with another sign:  "Please feel free to rob me at any inconvenient time!"

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 09:04 | 3070751 Harlequin001
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because no one with a gun ever got robbed.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:12 | 3071048 Cypher_73
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I love how they all think they're cowboys and would actually manage to hit the broad side of a barn even if they had a situation to shoot someone...

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:50 | 3070143 viahj
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that road will only serve to transfer parental/personal responsibility to the state and that is not the road to liberty.  to distract the conversation to video games over guns, only serves to use "tools and entertainment" as the focal point of avoiding personal responsibilty and liberty leading to further empowering the state.

seeing how successful "they" have been in destroying the family, I sense that this battle is almost lost.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:18 | 3070214 Michaelwiseguy
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It's called "Politics" for a reason. Gun rights advocates should play the game nasty because the liberal progressers will whether we do or not.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 06:41 | 3070593's picture

So you've joined Tipper Gore in a fight against liberalism?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:38 | 3070239 EscapingProgress
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Everyone who supports anti-gun legislation is a hypocrite, and this is very simple to understand. The anti-gun crowd advocates for the use of gun violence against anyone who owns guns in order to prevent gun violence. If guns are banned then gun violence, or the threat thereof, will be used to take guns away from anyone who possesses them. This is obvious hypocrisy and complete lunacy, but you can't expect much from people who have been whacked over the head repeatedly with the shovel of government schooling.

We live in a world full of senseless fucking idiots. All you can do now is watch them burn down modern civilization and try your best to stay away from the heat. Goodluck out there ZHers.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:55 | 3070273 trav777
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why is the author perpetuating the myth that jooz were scapegoats for the economic collapse in germany?   Their fingerprints were ALL OVER IT and they came out the other side owning the entire country.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 12:56 | 3071327 Thisson
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You're a fucking retard, as are the people upvoting your comment.  Millions were massacred and you're saying they came out "owning the entire country" - go fuck yourself.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:40 | 3071727 TPTB_r_TBTF
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You seem convinced.  You need not attend the Reeducation Camps with the rest of us.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:09 | 3071045 Cypher_73
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Guns have been killing people way longer than video games have been around. Try again.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:49 | 3070152 TruthInSunshine
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Here's what we've been told, in the wake of an objective (and subjective) tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School:


1)  The culprit was diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, which falls under the category of an autism spectrum disorder via the DSM-IV.

2)  The culprit was anti-social and was inclined towards non-empathy, according to former classmates and others who knew him and/or grew up with him.

3)  It has been reported by several "anonymous" law enforcement sources that the culprit had a history of legal troubles, but this is unconfirmed as any record pre the age of 18 or 17 would have been sealed per juvenile status.

4)  The culprit used firearms that he stole from his mother, in furtherance of his sick crimes. The culprit never purchased any firearms in his name, or at all, and therefore never underwent federal or state background checks, nor was he screened or approved for a permit to own or carry any firearms.

5) There are an estimated 300 million firearms of all types, from shotguns to pistols to so-called "black" or "assault" rifles, in the lawful ownership and custody of an approximate 50 million American Civilians, 99.99% of whom never violate the law, let alone harm anyone (with without use of a firearm). Think about that; An incredibly small fraction of a fraction of a percent of owners of fireamrs ever threaten, let alone harm any other person during their lifetime.

Yet, here are anti-RTKBA politicians and an incredibly biased Main Stream Media, in the immediate aftermath of a genuine tragedy, exploiting it by using illogical & specious arguments, irrelevant information and dis-information, and empty rhetoric that is purely calculated to foment public support for their true agenda, which is to chip away at the foundation of a critical element of the 2nd Amendment, and in ways that would not have prevented the Sandy Hook tragedy, I might add.

Senators Feinstein & Schumer, along with Mayor Bloomberg & President Obama have absolutely no intellectual honesty on this subject, and the Main Stream Media yet again shows why it's an institutional failure of the highest order (it does not educate its readers/viewers/listeners, as a cornerstone institution of a true democracy dependent of an electoral process would do, but it spreads misinformation, half-truths and propaganda).

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:10 | 3070304 Bicycle Repairman
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Put bluntly, they care about their agenda, not the dead kids.  They have no problem exploiting the dead kids.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:57 | 3070396 TruthInSunshine
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While the anti-RTKBA agenda crowd will renew their dogmatic, irrational push to try and legislate away the right to purchase magazines holding more than 10 cartridges of ammunition, they will never want an honest debate on the efficacy of such a piece of legislation, since:

"...of 12,664 murder victims last year, [just] 323 were killed with rifles, according to the F.B.I.’s Uniform Crime Report."

That's correct. 97.5 out of 100 homicide victims last year were killed with handguns, knives, glass bottles, hammers, baseball bats, fists, etc., and not rifles of any kind, let alone "evil, black, assault-y" semiautomatic ones.

I'm quite confident that nearly all the homicides that were perpetrated this weekend in Chicago, land of some of the most restrictive firearm ownership laws -- yet land of an abnormally high homicide rate-- were done so using "low capacity" handguns and revolvers.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:41 | 3070749 StychoKiller
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It's just so damn difficult sticking a rifle (assault or no) into yer pants pocket (waist band...)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 13:23 | 3071411 MillionDollarBoner_
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"Feinstein & Schumer, along with Mayor Bloomberg"

Other than being lying, manipulating, scumbag politicos, what characteristic do these three also have in common?

Just saying...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:48 | 3070261 UGrev
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With the exception of the drugs, proper grounding in reality completely negates the remainder of your assertion. We all know how that reality is obtained...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:06 | 3070887 Arthur Borges
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Agreed, Michaelwiseguy, yet it is so easy for any teenager to access all three -- and even easier for their misguided elders -- and we have laws and lobbies that made it so and keep it so.

The poetry of the Connecticut shootings is that the youthful Lanza's first victim was his gun nut mother who schooled him up in the skills of load, point and shoot.

I wonder if she breastfed the ungrateful little lad too?


Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:18 | 3070074 Antifaschistische
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Something must be done!

a. stop pumping our children full of psychostimulant drugs for "disorders"

b. how about...don't sell any guns to women (sarc)

c. all school principles should carry a sidearm

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:18 | 3071064 Cypher_73
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Pff. Arm all the teachers and janitors while you're at it. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:01 | 3070592 Muppet of the U...
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I don't often write very much anymore.  So it is rare when I write something I am truly proud of...


Violence is generally a learned, observable behavior and it's cause is nearly always a result of anger.  A deep seeded anger most often takes root in children, as their schema's are still developing and they wholly lack complex cognitive functions.

Violence as an observable social behavior:

Generally speaking, it is most commonly displayed in a household between the 'parental' figures.

However, it can also be created in other regularly visited environments, such as a school, a ghetto, or a wartorn region.

The behavior of violence is learned most often through repetition, but in certain instances can be instilled in a single traumatic experience.  However, a traumatic experience of violence can also result in the inability to use violence, but that is very rare.


Violence instilled in a child in the home, is most pervasive, and quite permanent.  The reason being that the child lacks any sense of emotional stability or control, leading to the child to resort to frustration and anger in and around a time period when he/she is most vulnerable- sleep.

Violence instilled in a child outside the home, results from inefficient or lackluster parenting.  This is less permanent, with exception to traumatic events (ie growing up in Darfur).  This kind of violence affects a child only when the parent lacks a deep emotional bond with the child.  A deep emotional bond is often associated with the ability for critical thinking, and the ability to pass on the fruits of critical thinking- wisdom, social skills, and general life guidence.


However, there was an egg that laid the chicken, which is currently fucking up the next egg.  So what made this original egg spoil?

When it comes to the cause of the parent's violence, I will not try to distinguish between the two forms.  I will simply say that the leading cause of violence is a lack of critical thinking.

When one experiences violence or injustice, the immediate reaction is fear or flight.  These are situations that, for all intensive purposes, we would do nearly anyhting to avoid.  Therefore, when said event happens, there is a cognitive rip in what we want, emotionally, and what is currently happening.  As a result we experience great anger.  The anger portion results from a cognitive interpretation of the event.  If we run, we may feel anger at the attacker, ourselves for ending up in the situation, or ourselves for running from the situation.  If we stay and fight, we will be forced to use anger to display dominance or defend ourselves.  In this latter example, anger may be seen as swinging a club across someone's head, or creating a devious or cunning plan to ensnare an enemy.  As we venture further from said event, the cognitive process introduces further complexity.  This is why a person who struggles with anger for a long time, will find it harder and harder to escape this fate.

Those who are unable to quickly and efficiently use critical thinking to unravel and end the growing complexity of their anger, will find that it doesn't just intensify, it spreads into all aspects of their thinking.  The oddest of all phenomenon, is the hosts' inability to realize the building complexity; they are wholly unable to recognize the cognitive falicies this complexity is creating.

In a society with as many cognitive falicies as ours, one can only assume there is an extreme amount of pent up anger (which will lead to violence), and a massive deficit in critical thinking.


It took me, about 2 hours to write this.  I was thinking 10...  But the cool thing is that I didn't even know the answer to this question 2 hours ago, and with the assitance of critical thinking, I was able to come to the correct answer.  Thank you brain.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:05 | 3070610's picture

Well thought out and presented but perhaps only an answer not the answer. Critical thinking allows that other individuals have other experiences, observations, ruminations and courses of action. This is not to say that A does not equal A but that the world is a big place and no one can grasp even a single issue in its entirety or extract that single issue from the totality of human experience. In other words, you've provided a good piece of the puzzle but it's only a piece. Keep sorting through the pile.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:04 | 3070612 Steve in Greensboro
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Institutionalize crazy people, the non-violent ones so they don't end up living on the street, the violent ones so they don't kill the unarmed.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:17 | 3070617 Muppet of the U...
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actually, most people who are crazy are, or are capable of being, sane.  Sanity is a question of diversity of mind.  Critical thinking, to me, seems to be the linch pin in whether someone can reverse the effects of a prolonged anger.


& I realize now, that I wrote fear or flight, instead of fight or flight...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:42 | 3070978 acetinker
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Anyone know how many of these "young assassins" come from single-parent (i.e: Mommy only) households?

Lil' boys can do no wrong in their Mommy's eyes.  To be fair, same goes for Daddies and their little girls.

Thus, maybe this is just another symptom of a society gone awry.  I look around me and find little to be cheerful about.  Then, I ask myself; "What if 'things' are exactly as they're supposed to be, it's my inability to comprehend that's the problem?"

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:11 | 3070619's picture

Institutionalize everyone for their own protection. Smokers, drinkers, over eaters, home schoolers, organic farmers, airline passengers and so on.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:05 | 3070614 Optimusprime
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When will your "critical thinking" activities penetrate to the perpetrators of the "Darfur" meme, I wonder?  Sort of weakens your case.  How about Gaza? Hmmm.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:12 | 3070620 Muppet of the U...
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I don't know shit about Darfur.  Only that a lot of killing happened there.  I'm assuming that I'm right in that sense.  But I could have said bosnia, or generally any other region of africa...  As for your drift, I'm not sure I follow.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 09:56 | 3070873 TBT or not TBT
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Yoda was a little more succinct.   Fear leads to this, so and so leads to that, blah blah then the Darrrk Siiide.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 08:38 | 3070739 Siniverisyys
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I think the biggest crack in the dam must be a consumerist society that values the self, money, and things above community, altruism, and social cohesion.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 12:43 | 3071286 A Nanny Moose
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This begins with the creation of the Corportion of the Government.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:24 | 3069938 Bicycle Repairman
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Note Rupert Murdoch's comments.  Here is the head of Fox News calling for gun control.  When are conservatives, tea partiers and Republicans going to get wise to this asshole's statist agenda?

Wake the fuck up.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:03 | 3070041 Mactheknife
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Better bout a little common sense...from a fifth grader no less.

"Well, it’s time to stop thinking of this as a political issue and to start thinking about this as a tactical, safety issue and apply some very straightforward logic.  To do this, we’re going to ask a 5th grader.  After all, who better to ask than a person representative of the victims targeted?"                                 



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:07 | 3070299 Freddie
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Americans traded liberty for HD brainwashing and a clicker.  ALL TV is NWO crap and ALL of Hollywood is for the NWO elites. 

I have been telling conservatives to pull the plug for years and stop being HD serfs supporting The Matrix (TV/Hollywood).

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:23 | 3069941 Element
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I think the thing we need to do first is to ban sex.

It causes human beings.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:34 | 3069967 derek_vineyard
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i was forced to watch because it pre-empted the football game....and because i don't follow politics and what inuendo means what; at face value i thought it was a heartfelt speech

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:42 | 3069985 Element
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I'm with ya there, excellent points - all!


(I have no idea what I am agreeing too here ...)

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:41 | 3069986 viahj
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the menagerie of clergy who preceeded your President, made heartfelt ulegies{sp}.  Your President made a political statement, well diguised as "heartfelt speech".

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:48 | 3069994 Element
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Now I'm even more confused ...


Just wanted add that no one is taking away my Rainbow Six ... just try it.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:40 | 3070116 tickhound
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Oh yeah?  You online, bitch?  ;)

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:44 | 3070130 Element
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Right here ... you ... you slut!

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:57 | 3070164 derek_vineyard
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can i put the political ramifications aside ONE TIME and listen with that perspective??

it was a huge tradgedy and i choose to NOT factor politics into that speech by my choice

i'll save the politics for tomorrow

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:04 | 3070176 tickhound
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Ok, derek.  Talk to you tomorrow, man.   ?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:07 | 3070186 Element
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derek's an unusually erudite and astute fellow ...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:12 | 3070201 tickhound
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I'm gonna give 'em a +1.  These are difficult times and a little can go a long way.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:15 | 3070207 Element
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ur a kind spirit and an empath



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:08 | 3070185 viahj
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i for one can feel the personal and tragic weight of the incident (and express sincere empathy to the victims) while also being cognizant of the furthering encroachemnt of liberty that the President implied in his politiization of the event. the battle does not halt to mourn the dead.  (harsh, i know but so is reality).

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:14 | 3070205 Element
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There are pills tha ... ... never mind

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:59 | 3070169 tickhound
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Heh, no, as in xboxlive.  I was gonna spank ure ass.  But that was further back in the day with that white model... ANd like every plastic electronic piece of shit these days I soon got the black screen of death and tossed it in the dumpster.

But if I was STILL playin'... boy I'da made you RESPAWN, ya know like real life.  Those were the dayz.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:04 | 3070175 Element
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Still got PC version, crank it up occasionally, still kicks butt too. :)

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:50 | 3070014 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"i don't follow politics and what inuendo means what;"

"Inuendo" is an Italian word for what is being done to us!

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:55 | 3070017 Bicycle Repairman
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"i was forced to watch because it pre-empted the football game....and because i don't follow politics and what inuendo means what; at face value i thought it was a heartfelt speech"

I switched over to CNBC as instructed and continued watching the game.  I do not need to hear the President's thoughts on this.  I know we all feel badly for the kids and the parents.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:48 | 3070010 monkeyboy
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It's that Heavy Metal music dude.

It's all Judas Priest's fault.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:13 | 3070060 Schmuck Raker
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Marilyn Manson, IIRC

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:13 | 3070313 Seer
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So, you don't like the words used?

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:59 | 3070026 Doña K
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Buy your guns and ammo now.

The truth is:

  1. Lots of violence on TV & Movies
  2. Drugs and alcohol abuse
  3. Finacial breakdown
  4. Irresponsible gun owners
  5. Rampant destruction of family structure
  6. Government crimes
  7. Low self esteem of our young people due to bullying & societal gap of rich and poor
  8. Joblessness
  9. Hopelessness

On and on. You can continue the list.

In Kennesaw GA where everyone is required to have a gun, there is minimal crime.

In Switzerland were everyone is required to have guns and take training once a year, there is practically no crime.

That's what the pro gun people should point to and shut the libs down on TV debates. 




Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:19 | 3070326 Seer
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Best would be to have "guns" that one can use to hunt with...  That's what people should be focusing on: Food, Shelter and Water.  And if not a gun, then at least a fishing pole!

Does anyone get it that this all just keeps us running into TPTB's controlling environment?  Even running out and buying up "guns" (which mostly will be for self-protection rather than for self-preservation [i.e. hunting]): it's all pretty much padding the wallets of the same folks who force us to pay more taxes to bolster their war sales.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:11 | 3070055 Schmuck Raker
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@Michaelwiseguy (Idiot)

You can have my violent video games when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers!

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:34 | 3070104 Michaelwiseguy
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Knowing full well we don't really want video games banned due to 1st amendment, but raising the suggestion will make people mad enough that the causes of violence will be discussed in the MSM and divert attention from banning guns.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:13 | 3070158 Schmuck Raker
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You don't find it disingenuous, at a minimum, to call for bans on items you don't actually think should be banned?

You would argue that the ends justify the means, perhaps?


I don't think guns should be banned. I also don't think it necessary to "divert attention from banning guns". Let the arguments be made, and the chips fall where they may... as has been the case until the present day.

Then again, I was always too honest to engage in politics.


No sir. Your idea is not just idiotic, it's patently dangerous.

Begin your crusade for the reasons you state and you would just as likely see unintended consequences such as book burnings(especially Catcher in the Rye, or Pogo) before you see the MSM presenting well reasoned, thoughtful exposes of not only the root causes of violence, but more important (and even less likely), rational solutions.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:15 | 3070210 Michaelwiseguy
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It's called "Politics" for a reason. Gun Rights advocates should play the game nasty because the liberal progressers will whether you do or not.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:00 | 3070284 Schmuck Raker
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You just offer a prime example of why politics has become antithetical to comprimise and solution.

Whine about "progressers" all you want, but look in a mirror and contemplate once in a while.

"___ ______ advocates should play the game nasty because the _______ ___________ will whether you do or not."

Fuck that.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:46 | 3070138 Seer
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No mention of military sponsoring war gaming events, to PRE-ADULTS?

THERE!  Right fucking THERE is where things are all fucked up.

Does it CAUSE these events to occur?  No, it does not.  But, just like all the other pre-conditioning, it's training that can only intensify a pre-existing "condition."

Rats in a cage... The proof is quite well documented that when you overcrowd nasty shit happens.  If not guns then people would likely be literally chewing others up.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:00 | 3070285 tickhound
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And the people bowed and prayed, to the neon god they made.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:22 | 3070334 Seer
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I like you.  There, I said it! :-)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:08 | 3070188 Karlus
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No, banning things is not the answer. Letting the media dictate the terms of "conversation" about guns is also not correct.

Stripping everyones gun rights because some douches shoot up schools for attention is the quickest way to ensure a helpless populace.

How about this idea (which I dont know if I support) is a ban on media dramatizing events like this...might discourage other attention seekers

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:39 | 3070244 Go Tribe
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Exactly. There are nearly 100,000 elementary school in the United States. You'd have a greater chance being hit by a car than being killed at an elementary school.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:06 | 3070295 Schmuck Raker
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I suspect that an unarmed black youth under the age of 15 has a far better chance of being shot and killed by a policeman than any child under the age of 15 being killed in a mass school shooting. But what sells ad time?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:18 | 3070624 Optimusprime
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I don't "suspect",,. I know that interracial rape (considering blacks and whites) is overhelmingly perpetrated by blacks against whites.  Yet our media don't notice this, but rather goes into days-long conniptions whenever a "black youth" is victimized by white violence.  Agenda?  White replacement, white demoralization.

Robert Frost long ago defined a "liberal" as "someone who won't take his own side in a fight." 

Who owns and controls the media?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:35 | 3070645 overmedicatedun...
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jon corzine..crimes of our betters..those with their eyes wide shut only see what they are told to see..for free minded our eyes open..see the control of our minds people the outcasts of ..society. our betters know they do not control us all, they fear those who's eyes are open. they should.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 07:41 | 3070653 Waterfallsparkles
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Maybe they should put Mentally Ill People in Mental Institutions like they use to.  Anyone that needs Toxic Medications should be locked up for their own safety and others.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:14 | 3069908 flacon
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Which is worse: Anarchy (no one telling you what to do) or Tyrrany (no freedom to do anything you want to do). I prefer Anarchy, but I spell it "An-Archy" not to be confused with those socialist punks who spray paint the "A" with the circle around it. 

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:14 | 3069910 A Lunatic
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It's for the children..............

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:21 | 3069931 ShortTheUS
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That's quite a terroristy thing to say.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:24 | 3069944 Stoploss
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It is an unreported and uncontrolled outbreak of mental illness brought on by the same meds the Komrade Doctors issue the medicaid slaves in order to keep the health care ponzi afloat. 

The side effects of these anti depressant meds being funneled down the throats of the "depressed" has more to do with it than the type of weapon used.

You think a psycho with a knife can't do the same thing??

The only question i have is:

Did the guns sprout legs and walk in that school and start firing themselves???

Or did a mentally disabled person suffering side effects from anti depressants bring the guns with him, then decide to kill those kids??

If indeed the guns acted of their own accord, unassisted by any human interaction, then by all means ban every last one of them.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:36 | 3069978 ball-and-chain
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I can't stand the gun control crowd.

Everybody has the right to protection.

What we need to do next is distribute machine-guns to children with Down's Syndrome.

That will teach them hippies and liberals.


Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:45 | 3069988 bobnoxy
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You are an idiot. Another dumb shit gun owner killed with her own gun, then those guns were used to shoot little kids multiple times, and you think the answer is more guns. Flat fucking brilliant.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:24 | 3070087 viahj
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nah, we probalbly don't need more.  but i presume that our overloards would prefer that the people surrender their arms and liberty upon the alter of  a nanny state protectorate, which WE ALL PRESUME WILL BE BENEVEOLENT. /sarc

either enter into your mind a sense of personal responsibility, determinance and defense or surrender your existence to something that only serves to extract wealth from you.  subject or citizen.  it's a choice.  a right to arms is not a mandate.  a right to self determinance is not a requirement for all to strike out in individualistic paths but to think that you may limit the paths of others is in itself the path to authoritarianism.  you may choose to be subserviant to the state or you may seek out liberty from such an authority. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:52 | 3071004 Stoploss
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I rest my case.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:47 | 3070008 monkeyboy
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I blame Heavy Metal.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:17 | 3070070 Schmuck Raker
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The movie, or the magazine?

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:31 | 3070100 tickhound
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The gold.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:04 | 3070889 TBT or not TBT
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The animated hooters.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 12:12 | 3071205 gnomon
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Obummer is the nation's incubus, stealing a march on our Liberty with every disaster or random Evil.  We are cursed from the very top and from the very bottom, (his willing minions).

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:10 | 3069897 butchtrucks
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Be wary of Obama. His plan is to destroy the 2nd amendment and confiscate our guns.

The answer of course is MORE guns not less. If the kids had been allowed to take the same semi-automatic guns into their classrooms as the psycho then he wouldn't have stood a chance. The kids could have opened up on him and brought this thing to a rapid conclusion.

But noooo - the libtard gun control lobby make it impossible for kids to have guns in the classroom - leaving them totally vunerable to lunatic like this.

In an ideal world ALL kids over the age of five should receive firearms training and be allowed to take their guns to school for self defense purposes. Combine this with training in how to identify and take out 'bad men' as soon as they enter the classroom and this sort of atrocity would never happen.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:24 | 3069933 fonzannoon
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Not sure where to post this and I do not mean to hijack the thread so I will post it by this troll Butch. From the Huff Post/ Wash Post...

"House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has offered to take the debt ceiling off the table for one year, the Washington Post and CBS News reported Sunday, marking a breakthrough in the speaker's fiscal cliff negotiations with President Obama."

If this is true, which I totally believe it is. This guy should resign tomorrow. Pussy ass bitch.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:27 | 3069950 viahj
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well, our national solvency is a myth, so why make math a reality?

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:28 | 3069951 Bicycle Repairman
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Note Boner's actions.  Here is the Republican speaker of the House calling for unilaterally raising the debt limit.  When are conservatives, tea partiers and Republicans going to get wise to this asshole's statist agenda?

Wake the fuck up.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:30 | 3069958 fonzannoon
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i am. i want to go back to sleep.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:36 | 3069976 Bicycle Repairman
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No sleep 'til Brooklyn.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:33 | 3069969 Real Estate Geek
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Hey BR, that's a handy little all-purpose post.  Worked real nice for Rupert too!

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:38 | 3069982 Bicycle Repairman
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Repeat as needed.  Feel free to borrow it.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:41 | 3069995 Oldwood
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 At what point can we not play on principle, win or lose? The way it is, the principles of the argument really are never on the table. Everything is compromised away to where there is no real argument left to be made. Republicans are hypocrites and thereby kill a conservative message because they think they can gain political points through compromise. They have effectively killed capitalism by allowing the term to be used to describe what their corruption and capitulation to the left have created

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:57 | 3070162 Seer
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So you think that this group only appeared recently and that all was pure many years ago?

All went to hell when Hamiltonianism was picked over Jeffersonianism.  From that point on it was a single play with actors only acting as there was a difference.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:30 | 3069961 A Lunatic
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Don't know about you, but I for one don't feel very represented when the financial well being of all of America and 1/2 the globe boils down to a staged battle of wills between Boehner and Obama.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:31 | 3069965 Tyler Durden
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Here is the subsequent elaboration:

In other words, at least superficially, just another strawman to say "he tried to compromise"

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:44 | 3070000 Oldwood
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We constantly hear of the wonderful attributes of compromise. When did being compromised lose it negative meaning?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:17 | 3070322 Schmuck Raker
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If you don't believe in compromise don't ever get married.

Or you will do more damage than gay abortion...or something.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:57 | 3070022 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Compromise to the democrats is the republicans agree totally with the dems. The repubs and the people get screwed w/o astroglide.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:14 | 3070056 tickhound
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After some tough negotiations the burden on our grandkids will be removed and austerity will finally be placed on our grandkids' grandkids' grandkids. 

A Trillion more burgers today, with a promise to pay you Tuesday Jan 1, 2116.

But they'll be no turning back after that.  This deadline must be met.  Nobody said austerity'd be easy, bitchez.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:05 | 3070181 Seer
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The day was always to come.  Had we really understood the value of our resources we might have opted to be more frugal such that future generations wouldn't be fucked.  Too late now.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:42 | 3070254 tickhound
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We tend to get rid of the people who tell us that though... "And let the demons run amok"

"heard one man starve, heard many people laughin"

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:21 | 3070082 optimator
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I know it must be hard on the politicos to slow the spending, but can't they at least start cutting the money they give away first. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:10 | 3070197 Seer
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It's like all the warmongers screaming that "defense" spending is being cut, when in fact it's the original budgetary INCREASE that is being said to be cut.

Matters not now.  It's NOT there...

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:39 | 3070109 Mactheknife
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Ten years ago the state I live in did a 15% across the board budget cut to all depts with all the ensuing wailing...during the year after that I couldn't find one person who didn't work for the state who missed this decreased spending and it turned out to be one of the best things to happen here because we didn't let them raise taxes and it showed people that we had more government than we needed or could afford. I say..send it over the has to be done.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:15 | 3070318 Freddie
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I see same sh*t on a  conservative web sites.  They post a news story from liberal sources saying Boehner has caved. 

Let's wait to see if it is true.  Washington Post, CBS and Huff Post are sh*t sources with an agenda.    I am not fan of the RINOs but those sources are evil.

Wa Po is owned by Warner Buffer - a real POS. 

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:28 | 3069955 Oldwood
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No, his goal is to create a fearful society that fears everything and everyone. There lies the keys to the kingdom. Only Obama can save us now!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:15 | 3070211 Seer
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This is some NEW strategy?

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."  H. L. Mencken

"The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable." H. L. Mencken

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:08 | 3070050 Toxicosis
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Fuck did your IQ shrink due to head-banging as a child.  How about we lock your crazy ass up instead for coming up with some crazy ass shit.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:12 | 3069903 Gromit
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If you have an unstable family member.....don't keep a gun where he can take it.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:20 | 3069929 duo
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after all the guns have been confiscated, then they decide to round up all the mentally unstable. It's been done before.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:28 | 3069954 Global Hunter
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and round up otherwise able minded people people as mentally unstable

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 05:04 | 3070526 francis_sawyer
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Perfect ~ then, to go along with his 'drone kiill' list, Obama will be given the power to decide if you're mentally ill or not... Or if he's too busy, I suppose a 'SuperCommittee' could be organized to handle the affair...

Might as well just kill yourselves now people... The benefits for doing so are that at least you get a say in the matter & they can't tax you anymore...

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:31 | 3069964 Gromit
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People don't seem to take gun ownership very seriously.

They write about the need for heroic self defense but do not appear concerned about the danger of misuse by self and others.

Gun ownership is a MAJOR responsibility. Don't drink, take drugs etc. if you have access to your gun,

And be sure that the odds of your gun being used against you or others are not higher than your chances of using it effectively yourself.

As the doctors say, first do no harm.



Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:50 | 3070146 RiverRoad
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You've got that right Gromit.


The gun-control issue notwithstanding, you have to begin at the beginning here.  It has been reported that Adam's mother took him out of Sandy Hook School in first or second grade due to his inability to socialize and learn well in the classroom situation.  She home-schooled him until high school.  You can just imagine how those high school years went for a boy with his disability.


Perhaps his mother saw target practice as a way for him to deal with his unresolved anger issues and possibly her own as well.  What we all know now, at least, is that was absolutely the WORST way to deal with any anger issues.  She should have taken up skiing or fishing with her sons, and BTW where was the father in the life of his special needs child?


It is becoming an apparent fact that not all special needs children should be "mainstreamed", especially in situations where those children are apt to be bullied or ostrasized with resultant anger issues.


Reducing the Sandy Hook School tragedy simply to a gun-control issue is putting the cart before the horse.



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:29 | 3070351 Freddie
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Quite a few northern European countries engaged in eugenics in the 1940 to 1970s.  Fairly normal countries too.   IF children were overactive or troublesome or not that attractive - they were sterilized. 

Hollywood is leaidng the charge with not just more murder, sadism and cruelty but also killing whites in film because they are white. 

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 23:57 | 3070165 Uncle Sugar
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I guess the one down tick is the "unstable family member"

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:15 | 3069915 Payne
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Save more lives just by increasing the minimum driving age to 21.  That is a deadly weapon.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:17 | 3069918 duo
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Since you can do twenty years for stealing a loaf of bread (enough times), yet laundering billions of drug money is merely a misdemeanor (pay the fine), this give moral relativism a new meaning. 

If you are young, with a bleak future, and watch while bank executives steal billions with impunity, how can you not be bitter?

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:18 | 3069921 Global Hunter
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Mainstream propaganda  media outlets reporting the killer's mother was a prepper who was preparing for economic collapse.

The media actively covers up and refuses to cover stories of innocent violent deaths caused by western forces overseas, yet they hype this one up 24 hours a day.  I dont buy a word of what those asshats are trying to sell to me and anybody who does fall for it is naive.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:34 | 3069972 viahj
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throughout Obama's speach, I could only shout "Pakistan" "drones" "children".

maybe I'm missing some subelty.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:41 | 3069991 Global Hunter
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viahj, good for you I would have too only I switched the channel, I cannot stand to watch any of these so called politicians speak.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:44 | 3070001 viahj
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watershed moments must be witnessed, otherwise they can be dismissed.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 00:30 | 3070226 Seer
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Watershed moments are those "learning moments" of/for propaganda (as was 9/11).

I need not see them to understand the things that man will do to control man.

BTW - Thank you for ensuring that there's an awareness that the US is killing children in other countries.  Ever watch John Pilger's "Paying the Price"?

May we look upon our treasures and the furniture of our houses and the garments in which we array ourselves and try whether the seeds of war have any nourishment in these our possessions, or not.

- John Woolman, Quaker abolitionist.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 06:54 | 3070602 awakening
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"throughout Obama's speach, I could only shout "Pakistan" "drones" "children"."

I'm still stuck on one word re Obama: "HYPOCRITE"

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:18 | 3069923 PUD
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At the gym yesterday I glanced up at the t.v. boob tube. In between coverage of the shooting and other violence in the world was a commercial for some video game that claimed to be the most realistic shooter game yet. Nuff said

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:18 | 3069926 Chupacabra-322
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 "You can tell when someone is disingenuous if they freak out over gun violence like it is the biggest issue in America today and at the same time protect the banksters and their “too big to fail” culture, which has and continues to systemically steal trillions of dollars from the poor."


Is Peter Lanza sheduled to testify in the Libor investigation? Is Holmes and the Aurora incident tied to the Libor investigation? Why does Libor keep popping up?

Holms father is also some type of Bankster or Financial analyst. All tied into LIBOR. These shootings have CIA False Flag written all over it.

The whole Global Criminal Economic system is tied into intelligence/espionage and murder.

This PsyOp False Flag involving the murder of children had to have full maximum psychological effect on the minds of the people.  These Criminals are preying on your emotions, fear and anger to achieve their goals.  Without disarming The American People, those goals of an Authoritarian World Corporate Fascist Govenment cannot be acheived.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:38 | 3069968 Global Hunter
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Chupacabra, my senses are telling me what you have said.

My post above, link to a Telegraph article, headline was that the shooters mother was a prepper preparing for economic collapse and survivalist.  Events lately the CT shooting included, could not have set the stages any better to go after gun owners, preppers, people who are preparing for economic collapse in the future as potential violent terrorists, on the fringes of society and potentially violently mentally ill.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:40 | 3069993 Chupacabra-322
Chupacabra-322's picture

The Globalist must demonize certain groups to achieve their goals.  It's all part of the PsyOp and false narratives. 

Their major imperative is to take our guns because of the violence that is going to occur BECAUSE they caused the fiscal cliff and bankrupted us with the massive debt.

Pretty obvious why the would employ false flags like this to try to disarm us so we can’t blow them away once we all find out they stole our wealth, inheritances and retirements. Woe to them.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 22:53 | 3070016 monkeyboy
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Aye could be a warning from the PTB...if you care to read between the lines.

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